POLICE CALLED: I AM IN “BIG TROUBLE” ( Opening A Gate On Public Land )

[@edwardkenny2356]

It's up to the person or the entity to be sure there's signage. That's their responsibility. No signs, unlocked, but closed gate, go through, close it on the other side. Public land is public land.

[@majcherj1]

I’ve seen hundreds of these gates in national forests and parks. They are typically chain/padlocked in fall as soon as the road becomes too risky to drive on due to snow, or the potential for snow. They get unlocked in spring. Especially since this gate was near the top of the mountain, I would think that’s why it was there-so they can lock it when the road is bad. I bet the guy himself closed it. Locals are often nasty about “their” national forests. You did nothing wrong…but you know that, right? 😀

[@twenchtowers3894]

This is true the world over. And as a rule, if there’s no sign and the gate ain’t locked, you can go through it.

[@rayhoffman7673]

Cory, that guy was just trying to protect public huckleberries that he wanted for himself.

[@Jotipalo]

You were right to forgive the guy. Shows you are mature, wise and compassionate. Probably partly why I love your channel. HUGS !

[@jimo2665]

I don't think you did anything wrong public land is for public use . I have seen many gates hiking and exploring. Some farmers and ranchers are given permission to use public land for their animals to graze and are allowed to put up fences and gates. I know there are gates and fences on the AT, CDT, PCT and many other trails that you have to go over , under or thru but they are still public trails. I think sometimes locals like to "keep" public land as their own backyard. Maybe the angry man has had a bad experience with people using that area to drink, party and raise hell that have left trash behind. I would have done the same thing you did, if you were not supposed to go through the gate you would think there would be a sign or lock or both. Keep exploring it's a beautiful world.

[@lizard2425]

Hi Cory, There are thousands of unlocked gates here in Montana. If is on public land, and not locked or signed, you are free to pass. Just leave it the way you found it, open or closed. (We also have as many aholes as gates, mostly newcomers to the state who suddenly think it's their responsibility to save it for themselves. 😛)

[@wandacrocker1248]

The only problem with going through an unlocked gate out in the middle of nowhere with no cell service is that the gate may be locked when you get ready to leave. That actually happened to me once. Had my small children with me and couldn't get through or go around. Eventually someone with a key showed up to let us out. I had written permission to take the family out for a week camping on the river. I was told the gate would be unlocked so no need for a key. Well someone didn't get that message and decided it was accidentally left unlocked so they locked it. Just something to think about. 😃

[@kreynolds6424]

OMG i was 6 months pregnant (twins) went thru a gate to come back out & the gate was locked... Thank God we were in big 4wheel truck as were able to go down bank & around. So yeah be careful of the gate situation..... ✌

[@wandacrocker1248]

We had four wheel drive but very large trees surrounded the entire area so we were stuck for a few hours. Fortunately the man called to complain about someone leaving the gate unlocked. Had he not called to complain no telling how long we would've been stuck there. 😆

[@kreynolds6424]

@@wandacrocker1248 since then (been 34 yrs ago) im weirded out about going thru gates.. I guess i have big anxiety about going thru gates lol.... ✌ P S thank god you got out of there & someone came. Sometimes 4wheel drive don't help at all lol...

[@wandacrocker1248]

Thank you. Yes, I'm hesitant about going through gates now too. 😂

[@djg5950]

Exactly my answer. Never happened to me but there is always the fear that it will. I don't enter a closed gate. Sign or no sign.

[@elainemarkey3429]

Sounds like the guy was protecting “his” huckleberry spot. You’re so nice and no combative. Don’t know how anyone could be mad at you.

[@treebeardtheent2200]

@@Jessica-to8um With public lands often being such a patchwork, NF, NP, BLM, State, etc. Does that research cover all of them in a region. It could be a tedious thing to check on sometimes if not.

[@theravenloons5945]

Public. Land. No lock. I would have done that exact thing. If someone freaked out I would have thanked them for their time and concern and left after covertly taking their photo and license plate photo. Kill with kindness but don't get into a debate. If they tried to physically, hands-on stop me they would be bear sprayed. People are weird and can get possessive of "their" piece of public land, especially in places like Wyoming and Montana. At the same time, it's also common knowledge if the gate is shut you shut it behind you. If it's open you leave it open. There are tons of closed gates in Montana and Wyoming because there is livestock in the area. A closed gate doesn't mean private property, especially on public land. Besides, why does he care if you drove past the gate? It's not his business or problem. Even if it's his property he can tell you to leave, and you should, but he can't impede your exit. People just need to chill out. It's ridiculous. Had the gate been locked you wouldn't have been able to open it, soooooo 🤷‍

[@CraYzJake1]

Hi Corey, glad to see your still at it. As far as gates on public land go, if you come to an unlocked gate the general rule is to leave it the way you found it. A lot of farmers lease public land for grazing purposes and fence/gate the land. If you find a closed gate that is unlocked, you can go through but close the gate behind you. If you find a gate that is open, go through and leave it open. As far a trespassing goes, it is a misdemeanor. The most you would get would be a ticket unless the owner was able to prove malicious intent or damage. On the flip side of that, the ticket in some places where poaching is a problem can be up to 10,000 dollars. Do not trespass in Texas.

[@susangille7255]

My understanding is that if you inadvertently trespass and are asked to leave, it won't be in trouble if you leave. Police will often ask you for an ID, but you are under no obligation to give them one if you leave the property. However, if you return, it is considered criminal trespass and you will be cited or arrested and will be required at that time to give an ID. This is the general rule but some states may be different. From your explanation of what happened, there was no signage and it's not relevant as to whether it was public or private because you left the property anyway and therefore no crime.

[@steffystrailmix3797]

Definitely a “Ken” puffing up his chest! 😘

[@Carma_1]

Energy spent...too bad he decided to share that side of himself. Yes, I think you might be right maybe he needed a hug. Too bad he missed out on meeting you properly Cory. Hugs to you!!! ☀️✌💌☕☕☕

[@malaryanne3488]

Since the gate was unlocked and there were no signs I would have gone through it. People are weird about gates.

[@ginnycarr3969]

You: “he definitely needed a hug”. Hilarious. So true though. There are so many angry people out there.

[@lorien40]

It’s Montana. I lived there a long time. People have been killed over their gated access on “public lands.” You just have to be careful everywhere you go and can’t assume anything from anyone. Humans are sketchy!

[@treebeardtheent2200]

In the western US, more northern states especially, land paranoia and animosity against other citizens exercising their freedoms is sadly a common part of the culture. It's an ugly part of the culture. Many have a false notion that they "earned" the land they live on (and everything for miles around). Actually it was their great great granddad pioneers who acquired the land by just being there first in the 19th century. Anyone visiting* such places will see that culture a lot. * Sometimes "new" residents who have moved to and lived in some of those places for 25 years still get treated like unwanted visitors.

[@planner722]

‘He needed a hug,’ LOL. If the road was closed, that other guy definitely should not have been on it. Reminds me of a time when I was on the AT w/ my daughter. We had setup our hammocks and an older guy came along making sure we were not harvesting the Ramps (wild leeks). He said it was illegal, we kept trying to assure the guy we were only hiking and didn’t even know what a ramp was (at the time we didn’t). In the course of the conversation I got a vey good feeling that the main reason he was there was because that was his secret area to get them. He stuck around for several hours (it was near a road and he just sat in his vehicle watching us). Any one need some Ramps in souther VA, I can tell you were there’s a lot. 😉

[@treebeardtheent2200]

Now grandkids lemme tell you about that time your monmy and I encountered rampire out in the woods. 🙀

[@williambranham6249]

I have a friend who lives near Whitetop Mountain in southern Va. They have had a ramp festival there with the obligatory ramp eating contest. She lost by one. What a bummer.

[@LJHowardPhoto]

The guy was there picking huckleberries? He's probably a local who thinks that particular public land is for his personal use and others are not welcome. Public lands, no locks, no signs - do what you want. I'd probably stop and pick some huckleberries for myself.

[@dennismerritt778]

your logic was solid and no reason to fret about the gate open or closed; there were no instructions posted or signage to indicate reason for gate closed. difficult to play the game if the rules are not known :)

[@MsZawojski]

I would have done the same thing . Love your honesty too .

[@ATravelingAddictSolo]

I probably wouldn't have thought of it at the time until the middle of the night while I was trying to sleep that someone would come along and lock the gate while I'm up there and then I would have been stuck there trying to find a way around the gate. I'm glad that didn't happen. If he was "in possession" of that mountain, he could have locked it, but fact is, he didn't even know you were up there.. just bad timing that you came down while he was standing there.

[@mcwalker949]

Be careful Cory. Love your videos. Safe travels!

[@hikingfeedsmysoul6960]

I love Storytime with Corey. 😊 You did the right thing. The guy seems like he’s bored and needed someone to yell at.

[@djg5950]

Or maybe, he was just angry about all the trash, dirty diapers, beer cans, cigarette butts, etc. that inconsiderate slobs leave behind ? How would he know that Cory (a total stranger ?) follows Leave No Trace principals ? A few ruin it for all. Until everyone picks up after themselves (NEVER happen) people like him will be around to get angry and yell at people.

[@nikstukenpitz]

If the police shined it on, so should you. No harm no foul, except for the bitchy local. It can be hard to shake off someone else’s bad/negative energy, so making a video is a great way to do just that. I’d rather be too nice (like you, Corey)!

[@RhondaGraceExploring]

If there was no signs I probably would have gone through the gate myself. You know, I would need to see the top. Lol. You can always apologize later if need be. 😉👍

[@Savedbanjoman]

Public land no sign? Go for it absolutely, ya did the right thing, close the gate behind ya, you should carry bolt cutters in case someone coming behind you locks you on the wrong side of the gate so you can get out though lol, seriously!

[@jeffadcock3238]

Yes, have bolt cutters. Especially if you don't have cell service at the time. Just keep the bolt cutters in a not so obvious location or there will be those who think your breaking in instead of busting out.

[@SecondChanceHiker]

See I would feel it would be my responsibility to buy a new lock and get a ranger involved. I heard of people getting locked in. The trailhawk does very well off road so I think I would just drive around it if locked in.

[@Savedbanjoman]

@@SecondChanceHiker many times just like you mentioned in the video sometimes people take it upon themselves to put their own lock on it “keeping it all for themselves”, it’s probably more illegal for them to put an unauthorized lock on it as it is for you to remove it…

[@treebeardtheent2200]

@@SecondChanceHiker The time and paperwork would cost a lot more than a new lock if it ever came to that.

[@amy-freebirdp7869]

Public land is our land. If it's a not locked gated then go for it! Be responsible and close the gate behind you incase of cattle grazing.

[@tuxkarter8422]

Yup - if private property owners don't place 'no trespassing' signs at a regular interval (like every 50-100 feet around the perimeter), they can generally just ask you to leave. Then - if you return or refuse to leave, you could be arrested.

[@claramullen]

It is a good idea to try to research a area that you plan on exploring to make sure your not crossing any boundaries you shouldn't.

[@williambranham6249]

Good advice but My wife has a different policy.She says just ask for forgiveness. I ask for permission. I hate tension. We had a small camper a few years ago. Trying to find an overnight spot in a town can be risky. We simply called local police or manager of big box stores to get permission. We were never turned down. Many folks try to sneak a spot and of course complain when police or security runs them off in middle of night.

[@jjmellooldscool]

GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS! As a former law enforcement officer let me advise you to NEVER give your I.D. to ANYONE. Esp Law Enforcement. Read your 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendment under the Constitution. I am not anti-cop I am pro law. That being said you did everything right to I.D. yourself to the Sheriff's Dept. That guy sounds unhinged and for your safety, you were spot on. I have run across anti-social people who claimed ownership and land rights and tried to run me off. I have a SAT Phone so I called his bluff. I also said "I hope you're not Wanted, and have warrants or this will be a VERY bad day for you." Funny side note, my phone would not work, so I bluffed him by talking to an imaginary law enforcement agency. It scared him enough that he took off running. I left anyway because at this point I was too paranoid to trust my safety. LOL

[@treebeardtheent2200]

As a former Infantry Officer with 3/3 America's Battalion, (3rd Marines, K-Bay) I endorse that sensible advice. Semper Fi

[@jjmellooldscool]

@@treebeardtheent2200 As a former GySgt with H&MS-24 Aviation Cryogenics (K-Bay Marines) I salute you, sir! Happy upcoming Birthday. RAH!

[@treebeardtheent2200]

@@jjmellooldscool Did that make you the chill island Gunny? I'll not forget seeing how tough grunts struggled with the cold (barely under 50°) of the Big Island (PTA) after getting so accustomed to Oahu. btw, did you ever hike the Haiku Stairway? That's a unique experience. I'm glad I was in top shape when I did it.

[@kayakcobber524]

I walked across America last winter...I was stopped everyday by police as well as borderpolice. So many different experiences as some are normal and some just shout and rude without reason. Anyway just another experience as I walked over 25000+ km last years. But USA was a real culture shock in many ways.

[@jjmellooldscool]

​@@treebeardtheent2200 Chill Island Gunny, lol I love that. I'm a rebel. I climbed Haiku Stairway aka Stairway To Heaven before and after they closed it. Hope you don't mind I share a funny historical moment, In 1979 (my first K-Bay Tour) the grunt-side Marines were doing PT on the aviation side on a street that ran in front of Barracks 1632 and the Bowling Alley @ approx 0630. It looked like a battalion run because there were so many Marines. They were VERY loud and from the formation, started calling us out and specifically taunting us for being lazy Marines and sleeping in. What they did not know was that aviation uptempo requires us to work 24/7 if need be, to launch aircraft that were deploying in what we later learned was in support of Operation Eagle Claw. (Jimmy Carters attempt to free the hostages in Iran) We had been working and binge napping in the same clothes, eating C-Rats for 6 straight days. (144 hours), including some 150 Marines in every aviation shop on the base. We were released @ 0230 when the last bird launched and had only been in our racks for about 3-4 hours. I was in room 139 and one of my roommates, who is a cop now (L.A.P.D.), opened our door and screamed at the warriors outside to STFU. A LT ran from the grunts with knife hands at the ready and started yelling at what now was 3 decks of Marines on that side of the barracks. One very large Sergeant from Avionics, also a cop now (Yuma AZ) ran to the LT (we found out he was an LT after the fact.) and dropped the young officer on his head. Needless to say, the warriors broke formation and over the next 30 minutes or so were some hellacious ass-whooping. Who won? We all did, WE'RE MARINES DAMMIT! It was so chaotic and involved so many people that after a timely investigation no one was punished. It turned out to be a HUGE morale moment that lasted for quite a while! and now for the rest of the story........ While on a deployment shortly thereafter we realized we had earned some "STREET CRED" with the grunt warriors and made some lifelong friends of our former opponents. Years later some of my guys were in Beruit Lebanon (1983) and ran into a few remnants of K-Bay marines from both sides and had some great brother-to-brother moments. My guys returned home to MAG-13 El Toro Ca. in September safe and sound. When that sad day in October happened, I know we ALL wept for our brothers. Absolutely true story, from my heart SEMPER FI SIR!

[@reneemccammon1935]

Cory You handled it right. The guy obviously did need a hug. Keep being you and thank you for the videos.

[@trudyeagan4336]

Man may have been having a bad day. More likely he was just pure bully. I love the ending with the cattle drive.

[@SecondChanceHiker]

Yes i made up a story so I could not be angry at him back. I was imagining he was cheated on and that is why he was so angry with me. Oh yes I loved seeing that end video clip. I have a feeling they didn’t get permission to use the road for cattle so I was trying to make a point. I am sure the law protects them and just use common sense. 😎

[@LeClercRed]

Here, where I am in WA state, the gates are usually on lumber company land. So our experience is different. Where the gates are there is usually a sign. But there are roads that are closed to vehicles on USFS or State Lands (public property.) It is up to the individual to know if they are on a closed road or not. We are required to have a road usage map in the vehicle. The map will tell you if the road is open or closed. However, the maps are not always current and the roads are not always marked. We use onX maps or Avenza maps. Those are always more current than the Forest Service maps. Avenza maps can be used with not cell service. And a lot of the downloads are free. Truthfully, I hate those gates. Take care Cory! Enjoy the day!

[@treebeardtheent2200]

It's worthwhile to note that the west side (of the Cascade range) and east side are very different from each other in cultures and practices. btw, not to be nitpicky, but while I live in WA myself, I am also a free US Citizen and there's no requirement for me to carry anything with me on my travels. There are however lots of made up phoney laws going around these days.

[@djg5950]

@@treebeardtheent2200 Just an observation. Maybe she works for the USFS and is required to have one of those maps ? Average citizen - no.

[@treebeardtheent2200]

@@djg5950 Yes, quite possible. It would have been helpful to state that. In my profession we had a few rules which included this one: Never assume anyone knows anything unless you tell them.

[@LeClercRed]

@@treebeardtheent2200 our experience came from getting a citation for being behind a gate and going before a federal judge. And yes East and west Wa are very different. Our place is in NE corner of the state in the Selkirks. Are you sure about the map not being a requirement? The tree cops always ask if we have one and ask to see it. It is always best to know if you are on public or private land. Our area is a patchwork quilt when looked at on onXmaps.

[@LeClercRed]

@@djg5950 no I am not a tree cop. But have had a citation for being behind a gate.

[@mayeday1263]

I don't think you did anything wrong brother, he wanted all them berries for himself.

[@kreynolds6424]

Cory you are just the sweetest man, hands ✋down period!!!! P.S - Be careful of the crazies out there....✌

[@typicalrockandroll]

My understanding of unlocked gates like that are that they are there to prevent people with a vehicle that cannot handle the terrain from going any farther, like a proceed at your own risk warning. Seasonally they will lock the gates because even if you have a lifted 4x4 or whatever, the trail isn't marked and they don't want to have to come save you, especially in the poorest of conditions. But even then, if it's locked and you can clearly go around it it just means proceed on foot at your own risk.

[@janefreeman995]

So there are millions of miles of forest service land and due to budget cuts there is relatively a handful of people to take care of it. In WA state there are abandoned ranger stations that have been closed for a few years now. Even campgrounds that once had self-pay kiosks where a ranger in the past would check in the evening and now it's a free for all in many places. Especially now there is simply nobody to enforce anything. That said if there is no signage and it's unlocked, there are gates all over the place for the public to open and close for cattle or whatever. The police have better things to do. :)

[@treebeardtheent2200]

Interesting and thoughtful comment. I think public behavior has also changed. A great many places are way overcrowded. Social media devices and culture have not helped that. At the same time there are vast miles of trails that see few visitors, not much more than the rare random traveler. Just over a week ago I did a day hike in The Enchantments. Saturday car levels overflowed the parking lots at both ends bigtime. I pedaled in on a mountain bike btw. On Sunday I saw only a handful of hikers on the Eightmile Lake trail. I continued on to Caroline Lake and saw no sign of a single person. Meanwhile below there were cars in abundance...almost a mile away from the trailhead that the crowds flocked to. I found it quite interesting.

[@hjr2693]

I admire your adventurous spirit but it is your responsibility to know where you are and whether you are on public or private land. Please stay safe.

[@chrisk3488]

Get it all the time: Public paths blocked and direction signs removed. People buy property and don't realise there are public rights of way.

[@Thecolonel795]

Best to always remain calm and deliberate. Your logic was clear, you were not doing anything wrong. Reminds me of the first “gate” on the PCT 3 miles out of Campo. What’s it for and how do you open it? I find it funny that you were on the way down. In your case, refer people to your “Second Chance” KZbin page. You will probably increase your account subscribers and likes. The Colonel

[@PJ818]

Was there a way around the gate? Most fire roads on public land I encounter in SoCal that are gated to prevent vehicles or livestock from getting through typically have a narrow bypass on the side for hikers & cyclists to get through (typically a bollard or 2 to the side of the gate).

[@allenbishop9154]

On public lands, if a gate is closed and not locked or posted as a closed area, you can go through the gate just be sure to close it behind you. You probably ran into a local who wants the area to himself. When you get to an area where you have service take a couple minutes to check on the BLM website on the rules, they are pretty simple.

[@joseperez-cl8jk]

Always film the other people this can help with ID them if it all goes bad it can protect you just by saying I have you on live upload a friend. JoP be safe and don’t freeze hahaha

[@dakotaescher1]

Not locked means fair game.

[@edwincathey5260]

If it’s not locked don’t worry about it👍

[@djg5950]

When I come to a gate that is closed but unlocked (has happened here in NH and in Maine near Baxter - most of the logging roads were gated, closed, AND locked - not sure if they still are) I choose NOT to open it and go in. Why ? Because, especially if you don't have cell service, what are you going to do later (in your case 4 or 5 days later) if when you get back to the gate you find that you are locked inside ? No cell service, can't call anyone. No one may show up for weeks (or maybe just hours or a day or two) to unlock it if they don't know you are there. It's frequently a LONG walk out to find someone to unlock it. That is my thinking. Is it illegal to enter ? No, not if it's not locked and has no signs posted. Mr. Huckleberry was just upset because a non-native was in the area. With all the trashing of public places that is going on today (leaving garbage around, graffiti, etc.) I understand his point. I know you LNT but judging from all the places being ruined (search Bash Bish Falls, Mass.) including the AT (no camping allowed anymore on Max Patch) people are not respecting the wilderness, therefore, there are restrictions on visiting those places now. A few ruin it for all. My question is: was there an open padlock on the gate ? Even more hesitant to enter if there was (I just make it a habit not to enter a closed gate out of caution - reasons stated above).

[@treebeardtheent2200]

One person included a tip in his comment. He carries bolt cutters for just such a contingency. Not for everyone of course. We all do our own things which makes people interesting.

[@Mtnsunshine]

I live in a rural area of Colorado and there is a road marked Public Access to a mountain where hunters can go to hunt for elk. But the road was blocked by an old rancher who put a gate across the road. It has been that way for years. Well, the rancher had a bad horse riding accident and because there were so many locked gates that the local rescue people could not get to him in time and he died. Talk about karma. Sadly, a lot of the people who have been on the land for years without any interference do not like the fact that more and more people are getting out in Nature. They have come to feel that they ‘own’ all that they can see. Seeing someone else makes them crazy and irrationally angry. On the plus side, at least you weren’t shot! (Dark humor here). Remember that adage when wolves were trying to be saved from extinction. Many ranchers back then said, “Shoot, shovel and shut up.” Human beings can be so ‘challenging’ some times. ☹️

[@SecondChanceHiker]

100% agree with all this. And yesi was reading more about illegal gates and can take years of negotiations to work for public access. Definitely looking back on it I am grateful he called the police instead of pulling out a gun.

[@treebeardtheent2200]

Karen it's a problem in Colorado and everywhere west of there and north of there to the Pacific Ocean and Canadian border. (idk about the Canadian side, maybe they are the same way exept extremely polite aboot it)

[@pasuhi]

Sounds like you did everything right and handled it quite well

[@58Tommy]

I probably would have walked through... getting stuck on the far side of a gate is no fun.

[@Cruzinsusan5101]

I always assumed a closed gate meant, no driving onward. I would think walking around would be fine though. Just figured the road was not passable by car or dangerous past the sign. But see? I really don't know. Especially when their isn't any sign..... ya, the guy was out of line in my opinion.....ha! You're right -the guy needed a hug! :)

[@kdarnell12]

I wish I could find the website, but just last week I read about this very issue. The basic take-away from what I read was that you can't count on signs or gates while on public land...you rely on the map. The Forest Service publishes their own maps of their particular Forest, and those maps show closed gates. Gaia, and I'm sure some of the other map apps, has a map layer with the USFS Visitor map. That is the map you want...or the printed version from the Ranger Station. The closed gates on those maps are very prominent red lines crossing the roads...you can't miss them. The reason for this policy is simple: as you said, anyone can put up or take down a sign, and anyone can open or close a gate...but only the USFS can change the map. And the rangers will use the map to decide if you're ok or doing something wrong. A couple of other points: as others have said, if the gate isn't marked as closed on the map, then you're free to open it and enjoy yourself. Just leave the gate the way you found it. And I've heard many stories of locals getting a lot worse about trying to keep people out with fake signs and fake closed gates...and maybe tourists are getting a lot worse about trying to open locked gates. But if you have the map with you, you can prove to them that there's no big red line over the road. And, lastly, if you're on USFS land and someone wants to argue with you, have them call the USFS ranger station, not the sheriff's department. The rangers have jurisdiction out there, and they are less likely to be friends with the person who is angry.

[@greatpumpkinhiker]

Not everyone is as happy going and care free as you man. You have to be careful. Can't be going anywhere and everywhere just because you want to. Come across the wrong people at the wrong time that aren't fond of leaving a witness and it will be game over for you.

[@SecondChanceHiker]

You Make a great point, a lot of crazy people and people doing illegal activity who don’t want anyone in a certain area.

[@allanfifield8256]

10:28 calls the sheriff's office

[@MikeNeri1]

They need to replace those "Beware of bears" signs and replace them with "Beware of Karens" signs

[@michaelparton307]

Great story ,screw MR.KAREN and rock on brother .

[@tailgunnerhikes4703]

Over Labor Day weekend, I had opposite problem - an OPEN gate with sign saying "Area closed for elk management after September 1st". Turned around not only because of sign, but could easily see gate being locked later. I was trying to get to seldom used trail in Olympic National Park (which obviously wasn't closed) but suspect I was on wrong forest service road. On hour drive back to main road, passed dump truck coming in so suspect gate only open due to road maintenance,

[@treebeardtheent2200]

So the trailhead (or crossing) was along that road that had the gate, or so you thought? I've only had one short visit to ONP, but I hope to go again, this time as a seasoned long hiker. I'm hoping there is lots of space beyond where the car camping crowd tramples tbh. Maybe yours was a similar idea. I could research it to death, but I have stepped back from doing that unless there is real good reason to do so such as long hikes in winter conditions or bikepacking which I recently discovered to be VERY different than wilderness camping.

[@tailgunnerhikes4703]

@@treebeardtheent2200 I was headed to South Fork Hoh (different than popular North Fork Hoh) and believe I was lost/on wrong forest service road. For "space beyond where car camping crowd tramples, i suggest the east side, such as Dosewallips or Duckabush trailheads (both well marked).

[@treebeardtheent2200]

@@tailgunnerhikes4703 Duckabush trail eh? Is that where the Hobbits now live? I just took a brief gander at the satelite view. The South Central neighborhood of the Upper Duckabush looks like a nice chill place to hang out.😊

[@kathyduncan6460]

In my neck of the woods, a lot of forested areas are owned by the big lumber mill in town. Their gates are often closed, but as long as they aren’t padlocked, access is ok. I always shut the unlocked gates behind me, because that is the way I found them. I’m not sure about state or federal lands, but I would imagine it would be the same. If people tear down the signs, then padlocks should be provided. The gate in your video didn’t look like it had long to stand anyway.

[@93Dakota]

Hes probably just sick of people destroying things, just keep on keeping on

[@skyblue-lb9kr]

Some locals can be very territorial. He was trying to scare you off.

[@nifflofair6685]

Mountains belong to everyone! Crazy!

[@mayeday1263]

This land was made for you and me!

[@treebeardtheent2200]

Reminds me of what I tell people when they thank me for my military service. Best way to thank a veteran is to Exercise your freedom and Don't let the government (or anyone else in this case) take it away from you. A high price was paid for those freedoms and that benefit is bestowed on all American citizens and welcome visitors. Special privileges to none.

[@HikingWithMartin]

the way to deal with these types is to just say if they are angry put up a sign, if you dont put a sign up its either A) not your land B) youre an idiot for not putting a sign up.

[@MaryMoser63]

If I didn't see a sign telling me not to go through the gate, and if it were unlocked, I would have gone through myself (if on public lands). He sounds like an angry local.

[@rodfagan4588]

He’s not worth a second thought Second Chance. People like him will suck the happiness out of anyone his around, for any reason. For your safety just agree and move on. Happy to see your enjoying Canada. Hopefully you don’t encounter anything like that here. Sadly we have people like him also. ☹️. You would enjoy my province, Newfoundland. Lots to explore, early summer lots of whales, icebergs, and plenty of public lands to enjoy. Stay safe, your always enjoyable to watch. If there were more people like you the world would be a better place.

[@proudchristian77]

I'm subscribed baby , awe, ty 💖 we 💖 u back too ! 💖🐕✌

[@user-hq8hc6wr5k]

“I’m Your Huckleberry.”

[@tysonm2525]

Something’s in those huckleberries!

[@LenserX]

People be crazy bro. No lock, no signage, no worries. But locals do get very territorial, even over property they do not own.

[@TylerWangsgard]

On public lands, if there’s an official sign that says Road Closed or it’s locked, then don’t go through. Otherwise leave gates the way you find them. Closed? Closed it behind you. Open. Leave it that way.

[@janefreeman995]

Hmm. The guy was there himself.

[@duanedibbley1661]

Unlocked gate. You can drive through. Angry Huckleberry guy was in the wrong. More than likely hassling you because of out of state plates on your jeep. Even private land owners can't block access to public roads that cross their land. I had a guy try to tell me I was on his private land once. I knew I was on public land. I got out a map and he shut up and drove off. Try huckleberry picking in a state where you grew up but no longer live in. That leads to some fun exchanges with the 'locals'.

[@betsybarnicle8016]

They were probably deflecting blame, because they were supposed to have locked it.

[@FreddyEnergizer]

Your background view is of the scale again :) o yea and something about gates or something. ? and almost at Alaska I see wish i was there 2

[@3smoke]

In Northern California when you run into gates and no trespassing signs, those are put there by the marijuana growers. So yeah, you avoid those. They don't call the cops 😬

[@hunter1961100]

it's your responsibility to know what is open and closed.There's a thing called travel management on u.s.f. land.been in place since 2010.

[@treebeardtheent2200]

Sounds like more efforts to undermine the Rights and Privileges of US Citizens as recognized (not granted by any law) by the US Constitution. My freedom is Never negotiable. Use of an automobile however is a separate thing, but that's because long time tolerance of bad precedent has made it such that a vehicle operator on public roads cannot assert all of his or her usual rights. That's just a very sad reality. As for me, I'll know what travel paths in America are accessible when I get there, and I will not be asking permission to exercise the same freedom which Americans have known for over 200 years.

[@garypeterson3628]

Cory I would have done exactly the same thing you did. Open gate, drive through, close gate. If you got to the top of the mountain and a Ranger told you, you should not be here.. ..Oops....Sorry, I'll be on my way. Ditto, Sandy Eggo, and Jim O. P.S. That guy was stealing Huckleberries from Federal Land. Some of his Huckleberries belong to you, LOL

[@treebeardtheent2200]

Agree.

[@Hawaiian80882]

Theres always gotta have some rookie drama-class reject out in the middle of nowhere picking berries trying to make a stage name for himself. Cory, next time just say: "Ich Spreche Kein Englisch".....then givem a hug!

[@treebeardtheent2200]

wakarimassen domo arigato. Ah now no gimme no stink eye brah. Nex time he do dakine no worry. 😁 edit: Looking forward to see 2C hike the Haiku Stairway. How different that is. Officially the main entry is closed, access forbidden, but tourists welcome (used to be anyway), so the unofficial rule was Don't Get Caught, and the real rule: Your on your own, don't try to sue Hawaii if you get hurt.

[@bettywith2girls]

If the police don't care, I wouldn't care. I wouldn't have even left my information after talking with the police officer; I'd have said "OK, sounds good" and left,. So what if the guy has a pic of you and your truck...he probably takes a pic of everybody because he's frustrated...you didn't know it was private land. I wouldn't worry about it.

[@jimthode]

All national forests have motor vehicle use maps (MVUM) available in the local Forest Service offices or on each NF website. It is the responsibility of the public to know what it open and what is closed.

[@treebeardtheent2200]

Good on you for pointing out Motor Vehicle Use, an important detail. I still assert that the responsibility part is debateable as well as open to numerous definitions, but then again I live as a free man responsible to and for myself without entitlement mentality, but I seek no permissions to exercise my freedom. Knowing the difference between those two things is vitally important to me.

[@JoannaRedmond]

Crazy story, I think you were in the right! Are you doing any hiking? Happy Halloween and blessed be!🎃

[@LoriG75]

Technically it’s your responsibility to know what land you are exploring on. Many national forests and other lands are checkerboarded and you can find yourself on public or private lands just traveling a road. I would have just apologized, wished the guy a good day, and left. Lots of other places to explore. Another problem with gates is if you go though one it can get locked while you are past it exploring and with no cell service you could find yourself stranded. Not likely, but it has happened, esp this time of year when the snows start to fly.

[@treebeardtheent2200]

Quite a vague comment that implies that Americans are not really free to travel. A peaceful traveler is not like some blatant shoplifter, even if the traveler unknowingly stumbles onto private property. Is a landowner allowed to shoot and kill such a person? Note that recent laws in some places forbid store personnel from taking aggressive action against shoplifters. When laws or practices thus become so immorally backwards, then the whole idea of such "technicalities" become utterly meaningless. American freedom was never free. A high cost has been paid to keep it. The best way to thank those who paid that price is to exercise that freedom without letting any new technicalities interfere.

[@meadowlark7182]

Lol … I just love you but it’s so hard to follow you when you’re telling 5 stories at once 🤣❤️😘 👊🙏😆

[@SecondChanceHiker]

I am all over the place lol. I am about to arrive in Japan and sleep in the forest while I wait for a cargo plane to catch a ride on. I am all over the place haha. Love you back!!!

[@LukeAndersson1]

Corey, you over think and over worry about too much. You were on a public road and the gate was shut with no signage telling you it was closed and no lock. There are a bunch of reasons that someone may have shut it but making up a reason that fits your scenario should not be a thought in your head. You just happened to come across a male Karen that wanted to give you his personal opinion on what he thought. You moved on and went swimming and no one showed up to tell you anything different. So that means the sheriff dept. blew it off because they saw it as a invalid complaint. So you should have dropped it there and not put any more negative energy into this waist of your time. You did nothing wrong in anyone's eyes except this 1 screaming winner and no one took him serious except you. So keep exploring and just do you and ignore the thousands of haters that infect this world and you will be a much happier person.

[@micheledraggoo8333]

Hi Cory, I think I generally know where you were in NW Montana and if you were on national forrest land and you drove behnd a gated road you were likely in the wrong. I work for the US Forest Service and most of the reasons why we have gates on federal lands in NW Montana is to provide security for grizzly bears which is a threatened species. Usually we have signs on the gates with locks but some people often remove them or cut the locks (or do something disgusting to the locks) because they don't like how the government is managing the local atea. Like hunting regulations (hunting regulations aren't posted on the ground but you have to get a copy when you get your license or go to the local fish and game office) it is up to you to know whether you are on a closed road or not. All national forests have motor vehicle use maps (MVUM) available in the local Forest Service offices or on each NF website. These maps are free. The online maps can also be downloaded from the Avenza aop for free - these are really nice because they can track your progress via GPS. Finally, am guessing the police you talked with was the local county sheriff and sometimes they don't really know the federal regulations. Anyway, I appreciate that you were interested in knowing whether you were in the wrong - and it does sound like the guy did need a hug! Hucklebrry pickers can sometimes be too territorial as well. Anyway, I enjoy your channel and hope you contiinue doing what you are doing. If you have questions about the MVUMs send me a note.

[@SecondChanceHiker]

Thank you for the information. my friend Jeff bought me Gaia maps after telling him about this encounter. It’s suppose to have MVUM maps on it. Yeah he wasn’t necessarily wrong about the road being closed but he handled it very badly. It could have been an educational moment. I will say expecting the “average joe” to research roads it’s not realistic of the USFS. Especially for the explorer personality who wants to wander the world and vanish into the forest. I think it’s great to have an open dialogue about this and appreciate your comment ❤️! I may make an update video talking about this more.

[@treebeardtheent2200]

@@Jessica-to8um I thought that the missing 411 cases were those which could NOT be explained by ordinary phenomena, including getting shot by reservation residents. On another note, is it really common for people to shoot at "tresspassers" on lands that have no warning signs at all? Kinda hard to believe tbh. Sounds a bit like the fear of bears on the PCTs, but not one documented person killed that way since that very little girl in 1974.

[@treebeardtheent2200]

Logging roads are something to note. However the issue there is not any damage a POV will do if a person drives in but rather the concern is to avoid anyone getting killed when a log truck comes rolling down such a road. I have built road. It takes something like 1000 passenger/SUV type cars to make the impact of one loaded big truck making one trip, but that truck does not stop on a dime and there is often limited room to pass even though most of those roads are very solid. btw, some privately owned timber lands are open for recreational (typically non-motorvehicle) use and have signage at entry points to that effect. Knowing about active logging is key. Where I lived, evenings and weekends were always good. Typical loggers start real early and by Friday pm they have put in more than enough hours. Besides that operations do not run every week in all places...far from it. How a person traveling from afar would know for certain when it's a hazard (or not) I really don't know that answer.

[@bkf238]

You know you are not wrong. I love your idea that some guy took his girl up there. Great place to propose, right?

[@treebeardtheent2200]

So if it doesn't work out could you say that it didn't count because it was technically tresspassing? Jus kiddin. All these "your responsibility" (aka freedom is now a privilege you gotta get a permit for) comments got me needing to poke some fun at their craziness.

[@MsZawojski]

He should have seen your side …

[@hf3490]

I think you’re worrying about nothing of importance. Don’t stress! The guy was being a jerk. Likely just puffing up his chest. I would have gone through it too. No signs. You apologized. Was it his land? Doubtful! Stay safe! 🤓🇨🇦

[@russellanderson9644]

OnX maps.

[@mothmanifest]

I have heard of mushroom pickers being murdered for invading some other picker’s turf. Seriously people are weird.

[@mikel917]

Sounds like the dude was just mad at his wife:)

[@crystalelkins5301]

If there are no signs and a gate is unlocked, I just go. Gates are closed for all different reasons. Public land is public land. Also, I leave the gate the way I found it!!

[@Grabme777]

You met a jerk. He's lucky you're a nice and decent person.

[@dixxebell]

I don't see a problem with what you did, the gate not locked not signed, so I would probably do the same thing. The man should have just said "oh that area is currently closed, soooo..." and left it at that, it was not HIS land, so not his call in my opinion BUT playing the devils' advocate what if you were some other kind of person who would go up and trash the area, illegally hunt an animal or start an illegal campfire, so I see where his concern was but in this case, yes you know you were not going to do any of that..but ALSO this. If you go in an area that is closed, and you get hurt and have to be rescued you could be liable for some stuff so to ere on the side of caution may be the best plan.

[@DrsharpRothstein]

Even the authorities could not say if the road is closed. But do be aware because just it is public does not mean you own it. Think more inline with King and subjects. What is the King's IS the King's.

[@risingsun49]

There's hicks in the mountains lol

[@treebeardtheent2200]

a'yup

[@duanedibbley1661]

I'm subscribed but rarely log into google/youtube. That's where a lot of the unsubscribed views come from.

[@dougdekuiper3194]

The man never stated what you do not there or did he?

[@scorpiosunmoon]

Eh, I think you are asking the wrong question. I probably would have chosen to walk past the gate because I don't have 4wd and am paranoid about getting into a situation I can't get out of. I think the question to ask is "should I carry to protect myself from crazy people". That guy's behavior was inappropriate.

[@SecondChanceHiker]

Yes crazy people can make you vanish. My biggest concern.

[@yummyjackalmeat]

What a ridiculous situation. I would have done the same thing, you gotta get to the top and have that experience. then id tell that guy to eff off and go on my way.

[@djg5950]

Good way to get shot if the guy was carrying. Don't recommend this. People are crazy now-a-days.

[@yummyjackalmeat]

@@djg5950 you could get shot if you stay around a crazy person too if they really are that crazy. Obviously I'd use my gut and act accordingly. Its not like I'm offering a legitimate solution here, just saying what I'd be tempted to do to some loser wannabe sheriff.

[@djg5950]

@@yummyjackalmeat Ha ha ! I'd like to imagine doing that, too. I protect myself from making bad impulsive decisions by not carrying.

[@jorgejanephotography58]

How do you finance all these trips and make a living.

[@SecondChanceHiker]

I have only slept indoors 3 times in the last 180 days. Last time was august 1st. I live in the wild, I don’t pay for camping. That being said it’s still expensive to travel with gas. Social media helps a lot.

[@treebeardtheent2200]

@@SecondChanceHiker Gas is expensive. If you know you're hitting a long stretch of highway, remember there's Craig'slist rideshare and other similar ones. Other people going your way could pay for a lot of that gas and you would be helping them too. I think I contributed $75 to the couple who I got a lift with from Portland to Bakersfield and I wasn't the only one. That couple maybe spent more on food for their average dog than for gas on that trip.