Politically Incorrect with Camille Paglia

Back on his old show (and this was on Comedy Central, before the show even moved to ABC), Bill Maher had a two-part episode where he abandoned his usual roundtable discussion to have a one-on-one discussion with feminist icon Camille Paglia. Great stuff here.

[@RunninUpThatHillh]

I love that she's a fast talker, yet she quickly heeds to let someone else pop in to respond.

[@neige4221]

She is passionate but respectful. Love her.

[@marshalmcdonald7476]

Exactly. She's actually warm-hearted....and of course, brilliant! She is so quick to let someone pop in with and interjection. What a gal.

[@bradbarnes1839]

This was filmed in 1995. For those that are wondering

[@jvm-tv]

She's been teaching at universities just imagine all those poor students trying to take notes lol

[@serpentines6356]

Haha. No way. They probably recorded their classes.

[@TheAnhedonicOne]

She's faster than Ben Shapiro..

[@toddbertram6556]

Camille is a fucking badass.

[@dreamingdreamerdream]

XD bruhh

[@user-rz7cm2we3x]

Imagine her writing 😅

[@joanketelby752]

This is better than his current show.

[@iga279]

by a thousand miles

[@jimbeam4140]

She has a very blue collar background and you can see it in her liberal politics. She's a liberal, but she's certainly not an elitist and it's a refreshing change. She is also fearless and doesn't seem to give a shit about conforming to convention.

[@jimbeam4140]

@Meister Incognito But you're not threatened by her, right?

[@jamesmcinnis208]

Cobalt

[@baobypixar5841]

Yeah, Paglia is an advocate for the working class - going so far as to say that child porn/child prostitution should be legalized in their book Sexual Personae, but being the class aware person that they are - they made sure to make it clear that they’re opposed to child labor; meaning they only believe child sex work should be decriminalized so long as the children aren’t being paid. If y’all don’t want to read Camille’s books, I suggest at least reading their interview titled “The Purity of Allen Ginsburg’s Boy Love” published by Salon. Paglia is a infamous advocate for pedophilia and adult/child sex. I’m going to take a wild guess that the vast majority of the people praising Paglia in the comments of this video haven’t actually read anything from them. And for any people on here that believe Camille gives a “refreshing” alternative to contemporary identity politics - Paglia is a radical gender abolitionist that believes both sexual orientation and gender are a choice, and that choosing both heterosexuality and a cisbinary view of gender is backwards. Paglia chooses to identify as transmasculine as well as non-binary because they believe in the abolition of femininity. The vast majority of heterosexual men would be gravely disappointed if they weren’t cherry-picking Paglia’s rhetoric; Camille is an advocate for radical homocentric chauvinism first and foremost. It’s just something that isn’t instantly apparent from their more mainstream interviews, especially because gay chauvinism is fairly alien to most straight men - let alone someone on the radical fringes like Paglia. When they talk about the Greeks and Spartans, this is something they take very seriously and you might not know what all that entails if you aren’t familiar with the historical sexual norms of those cultures or Camille’s views on them. This is someone at a direct opposition to heterosexuality, traditional western family units, and age of consent laws. Foucault was also an advocate for radical free speech, pedophila, rape, and homoerotic chauvinism but I don’t see him having the same fan base as Paglia because he happens to be very popular among leftist elites and Universities. As much as Paglia claims to hate post-structuralism, they’re as much influenced by it as feminists like Judith Butler. If Paglia didn’t claim to be a feminist, I don’t believe so many “anti-feminists” would like them - they only get points with the mainstream for being an outlier among other feminists. There are plenty of better working-class liberals to get behind if you genuinely care about class politics. Camille is someone with very little interest in class politics, and only uses their working-class background as a way to appeal to the mainstream. If you agree with their viewpoints on the gender wars, and the negative cultural impact imposed by elitist academics - I’d suggest someone like Christopher Lasch, he’s not socially liberal but he is a leftist. Camille is likely one of the most radical feminists that has ever achieved prominence - perhaps the direct Inverse of Andrea Dworkin, but that doesn’t mean that they’re right. You’d be better off simping for MRAs. This is all out in the open, all you have to do is read Paglia’s books and essays - it’s not a conspiracy. You’d be surprised how many well-respected academics have wildly radical and toxic views. If her opposition consisted of anyone aside from other feminists angry over arbitrary disagreements, maybe people would listen.

[@muffinman2946]

@@baobypixar5841 "Paglia is a radical gender abolitionist that believes both sexual orientation and gender are a choice, and that choosing both heterosexuality and a cisbinary view of gender is backwards." This seems like a misreading to me. From what I've read of Sexual Personae - as I have not yet finished it - Paglia makes a distinction between behavior, and thought and artistic expression on the other hand. Gender and sex are masks only insofar as they are represented in literature and poetry, used by the author or artist. "Androgyny, which some feminists promote as a pacifist blueprint for sexual utopia, belongs to the contemplative rather than active life. It is the ancient prerogative of priests, shamans, and artists." What she's against is assuming that prudish heteronormativity is an adequate lens through which to view the history of art and culture. The claim that she is "against" traditional family units also seems unsubstantiated to me, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

[@shmokoguwop4819]

Hmm

[@Cashout95]

Ak-47 - 575 Rounds per minute Camille Paglia - 1000 words per second Fact.

[@theconciousstreamer1335]

Comment of the year!!! Lmfao!!!

[@WayToTheGrave]

I weep that the modern day feminist has lost the objectivity that Camille Paglia had.

[@dis_appointed8626]

you mean they have stopped supporting child p0rn legalization and organizations like NAMBLA like her?

[@puckrussell]

Not only the objectivity, the knowledge she has that sadly, our college students no longer have.

[@NortonsNestMonthly]

She's brilliant and totally original. You don't have to agree with Paglia but she makes her case with stunning eloquence. Most people are trapped by political correctness and she is one of the few people who is not.

[@marcelmagi4600]

I love Camille! I like her ideas but she's also so honest and open! Her likability is off the charts!

[@marcelmagi4600]

But I think that's part of her charm!

[@ctwriter]

No, many people can't stand her. It's not that she just throws out noxious talking points, nor that she acts as if she's the arbiter of right and wrong. She has a Manichean view of the world, and the world is not black and white. She speaks too fast to make it hard for people to ponder her views. Her thought organization is nearly incoherent, and her method is simply to intimidate people into thinking they can't keep up because she's brilliant. A good communicator interested in explaining her thoughts and influencing people honestly would strive to be understood. Her whole act is smoke and mirrors. She takes the views of a few women and generalizes about all women just to bash us. She's a tiresome fraud.

[@debstherottie472]

@ctwriter lol. right, sorry love, 3rd & 4th wave of feminism is pure and absolute fail. they're whiney bee0tches full of discontent. She isn't and she's calling out these posers as she should.

[@jecsquire9508]

B/c 3rd wave has never taken the views fo a few and claimed to speak for all, right?

[@legalgig3480]

@@ctwriter 😩 oh God

[@Harbringe]

Considering with whats been going on in modern 3rd wave intersectional feminism , it is simply amazing how relevant and how well this interview holds up . 20+ years old and its still relevant.

[@PrinceofQueens]

Only difference is that we're in the 4th wave now.

[@Kiutsuki]

It's gotten even worse?!

[@PrinceofQueens]

***** Yep, I have 2 videos about 4th wave feminism on my channel.

[@Funz2022]

Eh, her rape thesis could be worked on but I get the idea & I agree. Essentially, all she bemoans is the shrinking population of well-rounded adults: responsible, educated, sensitive, toughened by experience & strong sense of morality . . . & fun. A world, really, not many adults could live in, even the many here applauding her words

[@johnboy7161]

Harbringe Always will be relevant. There will always be enemies of freedom lurking about.

[@afoose]

old bill is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more tolerable and funny than new bill

[@ardalla535]

If Bill would just admit to himself that PCness is far more of a problem than any of his other concerns, he would support Trump. He talks a good anti-PC game, but forgets what he just said a second after he says it. He lamblasts PC on campuses, but then won't follow through by actually supporting what it would take to remedy the situation. He realizes that he would lose 99% of his audience if he supported Trump. But, hey, he loves applause ... don't we all. If his big goal is to be small, then he's already achieved that. Go Bill rah.

[@afoose]

IDK about trump, but old bill is actually funny and new bill just makes fun of republicans. new bill is now just the lefty version of sean hannity

[@garetclaborn1399]

Loane, nothing against the meaning of your statement, but just reading it.. such messed up statement. It's true, but just the idea that liberals don't dare to have freedom and saying something so obvious is being outstanding on Islam. sad state of things.

[@newsreel493namics]

To: Someone who is no better or worse than anyone else, I am sure that you would agree. Perhaps, people at times, are dominated by what they hear the loudest and see the clearest. Other times, it is better to be not so preoccupied by sight and sound; to think of peace, freedom, love, compassion, faith and kindness. Equal rights are not words of easy definition. They come to us separately and differently. They are places to go to and come from when we see injustice. I think that it was unjust of Bill Maher to say to Camille " ... you think anything to do that you talk to fast." , in response to her admission of a " ... 10 year drought ... could not get a date ..." Life is all about kindness, and in moral terms, we have to accept people for the way that they are, and it was unkind to Camilla, and you can see her sadness written all over her face, and her struggle to retain her lost personal dignity, broken heart and identity. I have great respect in the way that she handled herself: and very very well. I may not agree with what she says, however, I will defend her right to free speech. Yes, kindness is now silent and invisible, however, SO ARE MEMORIES AND DREAMS. Thank you Pat McCarthy From Canada

[@garetclaborn1399]

Patrick McCarthy gay

[@huntercoxpersonal]

Young Camille Paglia was a force to be reckoned with.. DAMN! Camille and CHS are the baddest bitches on the planet.

[@ManInTheBigHat]

"Angry women who get into a group and whine about men." This is what's happened to the whole generation who was born when this was recorded.

[@theexplorer7139]

Yes.

[@h.e.pennypacker4567]

ManInTheBigHat I concur my good sir!

[@Wasp239]

and who's she? Pathetic loser without sex life, who wants other women just lay down and breed

[@afridibinsayed9864]

Women always whine about men and always been even before this show were aired even before 100 years ago and which year did this show were aired

[@Vihara2]

@@Wasp239 you must be a very unhappy person lol

[@westcoastkidd17]

Why the hell has she not been a guest on REAL TIME?!?!

[@anneb889]

Today the “tolerant” left would probably cancel Bill…..oh, but he did have Christina Hoff Sommers.

[@TomRNZ]

I love Camille Paglia. Her and Christina Hoff Sommers are the only feminists whose opinions I respect.

[@biobelewilliam-west1310]

I agree with you brother

[@MMODoubter]

I have to agree. I can't think of any others.

[@a.reader8117]

Check out Cathy Young. Great feminist. A woman who has never been afraid to expose the misandrists and outrage farmers for what they are.

[@TomRNZ]

Egaliatarian Joe Thanks, mate. I'll check out her work!

[@Lisarata]

Egaliatarian Joe Thanks

[@SomethinAintRightHere]

can’t get over how attractive she was, how eloquent, funny, sharp... what a woman

[@slatanek]

it's refreshing to see a show with genuine poise and no trace of any PC bs. I want the 90' back...

[@ricksimpson3657]

no wonder so many American's struggle with intelligence when there's an advert break every four minutes ;)

[@sweiland75]

When television comes to your country, you will appreciate having those ads because it means none of your tax dollars pays for it.

[@ricksimpson3657]

sweiland75 ha ha ! you got me!

[@terrypussypower]

That's what tax dollars are for! Gimme the BBC any day over hyper commercialised US TV.

[@ricksimpson3657]

big black cock! big black cock!!

[@frederickbulsara8141]

how is it moral to tax people and force them to pay for a tv channel they dont necessarily want? the free market is more effective than socialized systems, anyway

[@thezquad]

She speaks to truth, but fast.

[@irenemax3574]

Camille: “... ten years I couldn’t get a date, men, women...” Bill: “do you think it had anything to do with the fact you talk too fast?” Everyone: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jeremymaylott6039]

dude I am so anti-feminism. but after this I have to say this woman is a genius . Also I realize it's only 3rd wave feminism that I can't stand. this woman is amazing .

[@freethinker4liberty]

If you listen to Camille, you'll know that it's 2nd wave feminism that you have a problem with, it is the man-bashing and man-hating and man-blaming feminism that most of us associate with feminism that is 2nd wave feminism. What you're actually referring to as good feminism, or equality feminism, is 1st wave feminism. 2nd wave feminism was a fight between feminists like Camille and Sommers who wanted more equality not only in politics but also in personal lives, to give women the freedom to be themselves and risk the real world without a protective hand over them, and the feminists who blamed men for everything and were angry at the patriarchy. Camille will be the first to tell you that she lost that fight in the 60s because she became a philosopher and writer, whereas the feminists she was fighting became teachers and professors and leaders of communities. Camille has stated many times that the 1st wave feminist movement was split between those two philosophies and hers lots. 3rd wave on the other hand is neo-Marxism and post-modernism disguised as feminism, it actually has nothing to do with feminism or women at all, it is a political movement of totalitarianism and by far the most toxic of all.

[@nishanthk5306]

@Analogous to Tower 7 : EPSTEIN 2020 ahh a weaselly male feminist, shame on you

[@Wasp239]

she sucks

[@nishanthk5306]

@@Wasp239 you suck

[@nishanthk5306]

@@RJ-hk1ni truuu

[@PatrioticGlory]

"Wildly overblown claims about an epidemic of sexual assaults on American campuses are obscuring the true danger to young women, too often distracted by cellphones or iPods in public places: the ancient sex crime of abduction and murder. Despite hysterical propaganda about our “rape culture,” the majority of campus incidents being carelessly described as sexual assault are not felonious rape (involving force or drugs) but oafish hookup melodramas, arising from mixed signals and imprudence on both sides. "Colleges should stick to academics and stop their infantilizing supervision of students’ dating lives, an authoritarian intrusion that borders on violation of civil liberties. Real crimes should be reported to the police, not to haphazard and ill-trained campus grievance committees. "Too many young middleclass women, raised far from the urban streets, seem to expect adult life to be an extension of their comfortable, overprotected homes. But the world remains a wilderness. The price of women’s modern freedoms is personal responsibility for vigilance and self-defense. "Current educational codes, tracking liberal-Left, are perpetuating illusions about sex and gender. The basic Leftist premise, descending from Marxism, is that all problems in human life stem from an unjust society and that corrections and fine-tunings of that social mechanism will eventually bring utopia. Progressives have unquestioned faith in the perfectibility of mankind." CAMILLE PAGLIA 9/28/2014

[@george_carlos]

Brilliant!

[@TheRick8866]

Dude you wrote that whole thing. 🥇

[@gipsybauski8971]

More relevant 6 years later than ever!

[@serpentines6356]

And then it was just about college. Now, the lefty kooks are after the elementary kids. Several years ago look what happened. Parents kept sending their girls off to college, and we hear nothing about "rape culture" anymore. Guess it was mostly a bunch of melodrama to begin with.

[@cryingfatperson6741]

Thank God for Camille Paglia. She is the sole voice of reason among feminists.

[@avszefst5537]

+Crying fat person And Christina Hoff Sommers

[@kalajel]

The fact the both of them have been ousted by the movement speaks volume about the state of the movement right now...

[@m8272m]

+kalajel Well she's been 'ousted' by 3rd-wave maybe, but I don't know whether she ever associated to begin with.

[@kalajel]

***** 3rd wave is the movement right now. You have many 2nd-waves feminists who are distancing themselves from the current movement like Camille, Christina Hoff Summers, and Erin Pinzey. Watch some other Camille's interviews on youtube. She definitely associated with the movement during its 2nd wave...

[@keithmoriyama5421]

I love Camille Paglia but, I feel exhausted after listening to her.

[@jordanthomas4379]

Keith Moriyama likewise

[@tropingreenhorn]

im certain she has ADHD XD we can talk really fast, but we are also good listeners when we are actually listening

[@farleygranger]

IF YOU ADVERTISE...YOU BETTER BE READY TO SELL...love it...this woman is amazing...

[@jamesmcinnis208]

'd

[@Bluehawk2008]

There's practically a commercial break every two minutes, what the hell kind of business are they running here.

[@jvm-tv]

Show business

[@melyluna7355]

😂😂😂

[@C-Note21]

Wow, Camille was a spitfire. And wow, this shit was telling. A lot of people think second wave feminism was so great, but it was just a prelude to the third wave.

[@nicmart]

I had forgotten there was a time when Maher was funny.

[@charlesryan7291]

the commercial breaks are so frustrating! They can't even get the conversation started.

[@230mps]

"if you advertise, you better be ready to sell."

[@amandiosousa517]

Michael Anderson , i used to ride my red convertible to classics night and put it on display, but it was not for sale

[@jamesmcinnis208]

'd

[@JazzGuitar420]

I don't agree with everything she says, but damn if it isn't a refreshing voice!

[@SPQRxUSAxNUSA]

C Paglia: "The greatest contributions have come from lust and agression! We need more of that!" Bill M=God, I wish I could have you...

[@jesswaltz2440]

I kinda like this old bill maher. Wtf happened to him? His brain melted or something, or maybe Michael moore ate it...?

[@lampadashorde5989]

Jess Waltz drugs

[@guitarsANDcars39]

@@lampadashorde5989 Nope. Politicians have taken over the television. It's been known that politicians give "talking points" to talk shows. Would not be surprised if money was involved.

[@rabidchinchilla5701]

He moved to california its like a virus.

[@littled2378]

She and Christina Hoff Sommers are REAL feminists and REAL women

[@rfoleymckenna]

This is gold. Thank you so much for posting!

[@justin_5631]

Jesus christ these commercial breaks. I don't remember them being that bad. How did we live like that?

[@babalaksa]

Camille Paglia is awesome. What an island of sanity in a sea of ideological madness.

[@spencerallbritton9459]

She is so sharp. her mouth can't keep up with her brain. And she's hilarious, witty, and fiery.

[@neatlas]

Excellent! -- two bright, articulate & unorthodox personalities. Did not know that this interview existed! It would be wonderful if he could have her on his Real Time show some time.

[@MMODoubter]

Kinda sad to see Bill before the feminists got to him.

[@casperguylkn]

MMODoubter Yes, I'm a fan of Real Time, but I realize Camille would never get a chance to be on his show these days. He's too busy having on Rachel Maddow, young university feminists talking the 'one in five' BS, and women who write for the Nation. It's the worst when he has a feminist on. He used to challenge them more on his old show.

[@Zakaldri]

He recently had Milo Yanopoulos so no reason Camille Paglia couldn't be invited on real time.

[@denniswagner2391]

Hanna Rosin ("End of Men" author) stuck up for men more than he did when she was on the show recently. He has become such a wimp on the topic. Yes, MMODoubter, it's pathetic to watch.

[@daggeleslee6640]

yes!

[@wibblegorm]

Every fucking 4 minutes a commercial break... US TV was insufferable in those days. Thank christ for HBO!

[@ffsf739]

Bill NEEDS to have Camille on Real Time. Nowadays, the world needs her more than ever.

[@anvior45]

I recently met a woman. A doctor, a psychiatrist: Very intelligent... That was a feminist. But a victim feminist. That literally view all of reality through the lens of "feminism" and the patriarchy. It.. Just stuns me, how she could view the world and all events through this one idelogical prism. New words need to be created, one for the feminist-victim-jihadis, and then for feminists like Paglia.

[@Keiji555]

What really has me wondering about feminist inconsistencies that Camille Paglia might have boats load to talk about, would be the constant reminder that (according to them) gender is a social construct, but one is born gay... That has me scratching my head.

[@elleclayton3198]

You are conflating sex, gender, and sexuality. Male and female does not equal man and woman. What it means to be male or female is completely biological. What it means to be a man or a woman is socially constructed. For example, there may cultures in which the roles of men and women are the complete opposite of what they are in the US. So, what it means to be a man would be completely different; therefore, if you consider yourself a man in the US, in another culture, because of your particular performance of masculinity, they would consider you a woman. (Note: This is all extremely simplified for the sake of brevity.) In the simplest of terms, sexuality is related to gender, not biological sex . So, one can have a penis (male), identify as a woman (transgender) and be attracted to men (heterosexual). Or one could have a vagina (female), identify as a man (transgender), and be attracted to men (homosexual). This is, of course, very simplified. The people in both of these examples can also just identify as queer rather than heterosexual or homosexual, but that would require quite a bit more explanation.

[@Keiji555]

levi clayton And you just missed the boat on that one. I'm talking about someone, who knows what type of person they want to get together, before they know who they, themselves are. Oh, and according to science, when looking at twin studies, and animal genetics research, environment affects about 40 % of someone's overall behaviour. Social construct is not real, and there are also biological effects on behaviour. Psychologists teach that the nurture vs nature debate has been disproven, as seen, even in the case of David Reimer, that he was born male, and identified as male, even when castrated. I'm a psychology student, I would know about this, and this disproven theory was one of the first things that all, safe one professor, commented was just a theory that denies scientific evidence, just to save people's feelings. And yes, sex and gender are very much very interrelated. I would agree with Camille Paglia, that we need to look into what causes homosexuality, and even transsexualism, unfortunately, it is not politically correct, so we can't study this.

[@elleclayton3198]

Apologies if my comment came off as engaging in a debate with you. I was trying to explain these ideas from the perspective of the feminists who left you "scratching your head." While I do agree with these formulations of sex, gender, and sexuality, I would not deny that there are other perspectives on them. However, I do not engage in debates about them. I am more than happy to have a discussion about them, but I would not claim that my way of thinking is the "right" way to think about them. This is just a way of thinking that has helped me to better understand myself, my development, my development, my identity, and in return others' identities and how they have developed. Congratulations on your status as a psychology student! I remember when I was studying psychology as an undergrad, and a little as a graduate student. I thought is was fascinating. However, I encourage you to spend the rest of your education seeking out and engaging with ideas that challenge the way you think. Your comments made me think that your profs and what you have been reading has only reinforced the way you thought before you started university. The point of education is not to acquire arguments that support your way of thinking, it is actually the opposite. Education should challenge you to change your schema, to develop a new world view that will help you think more critically about the world around you. So, next time that you are reading something or listening to a lecture that you passionately agree with, remember that that feeling is the indicator that you are no longer thinking critically, that you are not learning on the level that you could be. I wish you great success in your pursuits, and that your ideas continue to grow and change. Mine changed a lot through my education, and that is what I appreciate the most about it.

[@Keiji555]

Ah. Sorry about that. I understand. Although I'm not one who follows feminist theories. They are full of holes, and yes, the ones who follow that, do exactly what you've warned me about focusing on theories I believe in. And yes, I do follow a more socratian method to learning. I always question, and I do come to a conclusion. Because of life experiences, I'm not satisfied with what is simply told to me.

[@guitarsANDcars39]

I agree with her. Meryl Streep and Meg Ryan are vomit-inducing.

[@specsishere]

I would disagree with this. And here's why: To rape/sexually assault someone, you actually have to physically do something to that person. That person isn't making it "more inviting" because she's drunk or dressed "provocatively." (Which I think is a bullshit term, btw. Control yourself. Just because someone is dressed "provocatively" doesn't mean that it's an invitation to get fucked.) Perhaps the situation is more advantageous to the rapist, but that's not the survivor's fault.

[@charlesdavis3802]

What a great interview. Striking to hear it in 2022. This could not be seen these days, let alone made.

[@patrickjerome9169]

He doesn't listen to her. She's saying something awesome, and he's either (a) Rooting around for a book (b) Asking a pre-packaged question, or (c) Making a joke that isn't funny.

[@doktorpk2563]

+Patrick Marks He is a TV host, the idea is to let the audience listen. His job is to direct the show in an entertaining way.

[@PrinceofQueens]

Can somebody tell me when this was published? I enjoy her so much.

[@galaxy-star-me]

1995

[@TheCrazyFinn]

It's incredibly annoying how he has to cut her off every five minutes for an ad-break. I'm not going to miss TV _one bit_ and this is why!

[@dukeraul624]

I was blown away when she walked out, I've only seen her more recent talks.

[@jimwhitehead1532]

Close but even earlier: She was on a book tour for "Vamps and Tramps", published Oct. 11, 1994, so its probably late October 1994.

[@TuesdayMoney]

I remember when it first aired! I'm so old. 😂

[@peacheskong2245]

You know what... I totally ship them. They had a fun chemistry

[@kevinflynnmusicvideos6879]

I liked Bill Maher when his humor was less condescending. This light interview with Camille is a gem from his old show.

[@calvinminer4365]

A) I forgot how bad Bill Maher was B) I can't believe he's been doing the same exact shtick on HBO for three decades.

[@realityweasel8461]

"A hole of color" Holy shit, this was around back then?

[@peretzo]

She’s hilarious and brilliant and a joy to watch. Thanks for posting this!👍🏼🙏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@AAwildeone]

I'm just looking at this for the first time and can't believe it exists! Can't wait for the rest!

[@user-ze4ih5ii3c]

Thank you for uploading this

[@davidgagnon3781]

"Under My Thumb" is a work of art, telling a story about a bad relationship. It's not "sending a message" as in propaganda. They probably think Mick Jagger actually "met a gin soaked barroom queen in Memphis" too.

[@BHAKTIBROPHY]

Haha! I remember these episodes. He HAD to give Paglia her own shows because she's so manic; she talks so fast and so much no one else could get a word in edgewise.

[@Cmonbilly]

Well, sure, but it’s not like the host has anything important to say. No other guests would either. She’s a pleasure to listen to, who in their right mind wouldn’t think she should get her own episode/s.

[@kaisun2222]

Loved this interview, can’t get enough of it

[@jtoe111]

"It's the 90's, we are 30 years down the line now, and we can say the time for hostility towards men in feminism is over. It's time to reconcile, find common ground." Oh Camille, if only you could have looked ahead to 2016. Were you EVER off.

[@possumfriend2335]

She didn't predict it, she was suggesting it. They didn't listen to her then and they sure don't now. Shame.

[@barbaracollins5605]

Camille is quite ravishing. She reminds me of a very very hot Miss Jane from The Beverly Hillbillies.

[@sevens3]

"Defamation of the penis"? Wow, that has to be the most HILARIOUS sentence of the whole interview.

[@rumco]

She was and is so cool. Confident, clever, humorous.

[@TrevorS38]

Thanks for posting this up. Just learning about Paglia. Good to see more content.

[@geneanthony3421]

Politically Incorrect was so much better than Real Time. Don't know why he doesn't go back to more of this format (yes I realize it was mostly panel).

[@lapetiteresidenceadinan2088]

I'm afraid she doesn't speak too quickly: people just fail to keep up with her. It's different.

[@m8272m]

Hah, well put.

[@johnboy7161]

La Petite Résidence à Dinan Sometimes she doesn't speak quickly enough... you can see her waiting for her mouth to get the sentences out.

[@michaelbonade4667]

La Petite......she talks fast for a New Yorker.....and i do agree with your second point...the avg person needs a second or two to fully absorb what she says after she's done or they're just trying to shift mental gears from focusing on her talking to their own train of thought

[@aprilhelm518]

I've had moments where my mouth was too slow for my brain and I started talking erratically to see if I could get all the ideas out. I imagine that's what Camille is like all the time. Maybe it's because she reads and thinks about things a lot...

[@peacheskong2245]

She does though. I can follow her but she does speak fast.

[@adamy.7053]

Nice debate. Camille Paglia was never one to shy away from the more 'controversial' subjects like gender politics, the contemporary judicial system and over-all hypocrisies that are entrenched within religious and academic institutions. Clearly an underrated journalist/philosopher, Camille is both articulate and fearless. And this conversation is a good example of those attributes.

[@michaelbashford2733]

Camille Paglia is funny, intelligent and has a twisted sense of humour, everything that modern day feminism is not.

[@sweetness583]

I agree with Paglia a lot but I don't totally agree with her views on rape. I get that if women advertise they should be ready to sell, but that doesn't excuse rape. You can't just say "Well you made it into my house, therefore you have to give me sex." A woman might change her mind for whatever reason. Maybe she wasn't totally sure she wanted sex and then just didn't feel totally comfortable and so she changed her mind. I get that it is frustrating to be led on like that, but to rape her and say oh well she advertised it, eh, that's not right. She also says that rape is a sexual act, not a violent one. Well why do people have sex or at least, why do they want to have sex? They like the person and they want to be intimate, it feels good; it's an emotional rush. It's not just about the physical act and physical feelings. I actually don't get rapists. What is there to gain from rape? The person didn't like you, so you can't feel good about yourself. It's not respectable to rape, so you can't brag about it or be proud of it. So why do people rape? Obviously they're horny, but why go through the trouble and possible severe consequences just to relieve your horniness? I think rape is about being violent, or dominant, or whatever. I don't think it's stupid to say that rape is a violent act and not a sexual one.

[@geneanthony3421]

Maybe I'm wrong but I think she's leaning more in the column of guys are not wrong to expect it to lead to sex stage rather than a justification of rape. If you look at how society has gone since this interview we now have a society which think women can remove consent after the fact or give consent and claim she felt it would lead to being raped if she didn't or the mentality that if both people are drunk somehow the man is not only able to consent (and she isn't) but he's supposed to be able to judge whether she's in a position to consent.

[@mrcoolyandoporlavida]

20 years ago 2 people had a conversation that resumes our current political weather

[@zombieGI]

date rape is complicated, u cant generalize either way. Most of the time u have to be there for it to be obvious

[@zvonko57]

Two very intelligent, eloquent people, talking without restrictions ! So different from nowadays shows ! Love it!

[@roybhamra2342]

Brilliant woman. Could listen to her endlessly.

[@lilysandoz]

Paglia should at least be heard and read by both women and men. Peace!

[@bradydm2001]

I love Camille and Bill's ok. Holy crap, did she run circles around him. He is such a lightweight, especially then, but if you watch Paglia today she's still a frenetic, erudite joy. Why the hell is she not a bigger star/brighter luminary?

[@Patrick3183]

She's too controversial and dissident

[@srkbear1]

She is--you just can't tell here because his show was 90% commercials and product placements. It was pathetically low-budget.

[@andrewrodgers176]

she's too unorthodox

[@amandiosousa517]

Neither has changed much, besides appearance.

[@barbaracollins5605]

I wonder the same thing because my brother who is a semifinalists road scholar from New York, Yale law school graduate, studied the classics at Columbia, did not know who she was when I asked him and I was very surprised.

[@KyleClements]

Wow. This is so timely...even 23 years later.

[@fexurbis123]

Thanks you soooo much for this. I think I was only a kid when this interview occurred and so I missed it. But, they are both idols of mine.

[@voyowee]

I wish she would come back and comment on pop culture again. She's great.

[@KbcBerlin]

Human respect covers it all, isms screw things up.

[@hermanncavalcante7616]

Wow! This is 22 years old and it's so actual. Amazing.

[@kenperry4452]

Maher's opening monologue reminds me so much of Johnny Carson's style & how infectious he was for comics in the 70's & 80's... even into the early 90's.

[@Jimmyophoney]

this cures my misogyny...thanks Bill and Camilie.

[@MunkeyChips]

7:34 LOL! That kinda joke would end a career these days. Too bad Maher has lost his spine in his later years or he might still be making amusing, controversial jokes.

[@johndawhale3197]

Man I hate when people put the blame on r*pe victims...I immediately lose all empathy with anyone who does that.

[@pierceholston6639]

@19:38 what did he say? "still or a mirror?" I can't make it out. Any help would be great.

[@mathewtoll6780]

The discussion of rape and consent at around 13:00 is unbelievable.

[@andygray]

How many cups of double espresso did she drink before the show?

[@islyfe]

Elas Mobranch that's just how she speaks, her brain is too fast for her mouth.

[@TheRealCaptainFreedom]

What was Bill's quip after the "Cindy Crawford or Richard Gere" question? (19:30)

[@irenemax3574]

“It’s all been satirised for your protection.” That’s a good line.

[@urbansetter1]

She's extremely empathetic to men and very hard on woman. I could figure her psyche in 15 minutes.

[@votewithbullets5027]

This is when Bill Maher had a head on his shoulders. I'd love to watch _this_ Bill Maher debate today's Bill Maher.

[@Rochelle937]

I enjoyed hearing a younger Paglia speaks, but found the profane topics offputting. Here is a genius and Maher just asks juvenile questions.

[@Rockownz5150]

What a wonderful conversation!

[@petewoodroffemusic]

Having to "take a break" every 5mins or less makes a mockery of anything verging on interesting or celebrally challenging... It turns the programme into a series of soundbytes interupting the Ads!

[@Adanu191]

+petewoodroffemusic This is what non-premium television has always been about. It's PR speak to think otherwise.

[@joelsavoie9555]

So the 2010's are the 1960's androgyny experiment in rewind, only this time they got them while they were young.

[@yakuzzi35]

the more things change the more they stay the same

[@yiotispan]

One reason that made me an expat: the increasingly commercial nature to all things. Look at talk shows from the 60s and 70s such as Dick Cavett: far less commercial interruptions, more time for expressing thought. By the 2020s, it’s all about product placement.

[@wangdoodlemisanthrope3020]

You would have to hire a stenographer to take notes in her class.

[@xavierigonzalez]

2019 and I saw the complete show, it was amazing, and Im happy to see that Camille still got it!

[@kichigaisensei]

It's amazing to watch this. Maher's show must have laugh tracks now. The audience literally laughs at every word out of his mouth now. Back then some of the jokes bombed. Camille Paglia is brilliant.

[@harbinosteen221]

I want the opening music, anybody know if it's recorded?