Camille Paglia 1995 interview

Dear Camille,
we're still waiting for your debate with
a) Naomi Wolf
b) Gloria Steinem
c) Slavoj Zizek

[@paganwardrumbloodritual]

“You don’t know how bad it is” In 1995, the idea that basically all of academia’s position would be anti-western culture was unbelievable, but here we are. She called it.

[@ninjagold9244]

No, if you went to college during the 60s, you certainly knew what was going on. Students for a Democratic Society recruited many of their little terror activists from campuses. What ideologies and academic theories do you think they operated on? By the 90s they had full control.

[@duke01261]

Except all of academia is fully behind the State Dep. when it comes to imposing western "values" and destroying other cultures (China, Russia, Iran etc etc).

[@HuellsJewels]

Point taken. But this was the 90s. Rose was definitely representative of how outsiders saw academia. The Soviet Union had just folded, Bill Clinton led the Democratic Party, union membership was collapsing, Andrew Sullivan edited The New Republic, Jane Fonda was rebranding herself as a born-again Christian. There was a sense that the 60s radicals had been purged from public life. I can't entirely blame people for not seeing the problem.

[@AndosaGosabuIksrog]

Hardly the case. Anti imperialist/colonialist to an extent and to the extent this overlaps with anti-western, I suppose it may cause confusion.

[@AndosaGosabuIksrog]

And even this is limited to some niches of the humanities and perhaps social sciences. This represents a tiny fraction of the academia but perhaps a majority of people see on youtube and understand as academics.

[@tristanmellor6799]

“Are you happy ?” “No not until I reform academia, which will take another 20 years” 20 years later, we’ve slipped further into degradation

[@michaelmoorhead762]

It's over... the manipulation of language was the backdoor that relativism slipped through and now it's mainstream... the only way I fight it is to search for truth.. Peterson, Rogan weinstein, and Douglas Murray are basically the only ones guarding the gates of truth, along with some, not all, of the Christian fundamentalists, Camille is refreshing and definitely entertaining 😀

[@pobj6723]

@@michaelmoorhead762 Rogan and Douglas Murray do not belong in the same LEAGUE as Camille and Jordan

[@zarbins]

@@pobj6723 Rogan is certainly not an intellectual but he's highly successful in three domains and has had a huge cultural impact. Given his reach into blue collar everyman society and his ability to hold three hours conversations with a wide array of guests it's worth noting his significance.

[@PrenticeBoy1688]

​@@zarbinsI'm paraphrasing, but Peterson said that Rogan's programme is basically honest conversation. We need more of same.

[@zarbins]

@@PrenticeBoy1688 I agree

[@valentinagonzalez1376]

She is the love of my life

[@jabrown]

Tell her?

[@jccusell]

Her whole being is just stunning. Stunning, unique woman.

[@john5150.]

It's 2019 and I only just discovered Camille. I am so grateful. She is so bold, so smart, and so confident. I love her arguments on personal responsibility, free thought, and free speech. I'm on board with her with everything. Her message is more important than ever today.

[@solomonariel2834]

I guess im asking randomly but does anyone know a way to get back into an instagram account..? I was stupid forgot the password. I would love any tricks you can give me!

[@justinsmith4157]

solomonariel2834 Also kinda random, how many boosters did you get?

[@khoroatos]

her fiery and vivid expression, twitchy mannerisms, merciless paradigmatic intellect, self-assured and assertive personality. god i am just infatuated

[@Gfffgvcddfggvhjjhgfc]

It’s good to know I’m not the only one who has a crush on her!

[@carycimino7699]

I have loved her for years even though I’m a straight man and she is a gay women I would go out with her and try to make it work

[@Besseloff]

What a force of nature!

[@chopin65]

Another "20 years". That's so adorable. Not only has her laudable reform failed but it has been murdered by postmodern assassins and buried next to the ashes of the Western Canon. I love you, Camila. You are my Wild Child Goddess. Long may you live and teach diversity of thought. Long may you rant and fire off truth like an assault rifle of learning. Long may you up hold and champion free expression of ideas. Long may you inspire young minds. Long may you frustrate, offend, confound, and destroy the thought police of academia, that seek to put braces on the brains of American college students. Long may you wake the "woke". Thanks. You are the best.

[@jonathankieranwriter]

Laudable effort, indeed, but not all such efforts come to fruition. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think the more telling extraction from Paglia’s multi-decade observation has been her conviction that we are most certainly in Late/Last Phases. Even she could not have foreseen the staggering impact that the cyber explosion would occasion, in ever-accelerated ways, not long after this interview was held. It has been the obscene game-changer. She knows we’re doomed, and doomed HARD. Which is why we aren’t hearing much from her now, her old age notwithstanding. She knows. Brace Thyself.

[@marcv2648]

I agree. Her ideas have failed because she did not have the conceptual fundaments of the sexual marketplace, and sexual market value. Her castle was built on sand.

[@firouz4296]

Her feminism is uplifting! She empowers women to be their best without being a victim. She has been my hero since 1990. I am super happy to have had Paglia shape my understanding of feminism.

[@fernandonaumann]

My favorite intellectual as well! I scour KZbin for her videos and I'm glad this one's been recently posted. Thanks! :)

[@miedqy0]

You're welcome, Man! Unfortunately she was wrong about death of that date rape thing. We're experiencing a return of it right now.

[@fernandonaumann]

Yes, and it's even more unfortunate that the date rape hysteria is in full swing. I guess she didn't anticipate the revenge of the PC culture in academe and in the media. However, I am sure the most sensible argument will win the cultural war because there are many important people aside from her raising important issues and inconsistencies with their ideology. I guess Jordan Peterson is one of the most prominent figures at this time. I hope the pendulum will swing back into sanity! And thanks again for the video.

[@miedqy0]

i actually like Peterson, for his coolheadedness, but he's hopelessly conservative. he says: well, casual sex is counterproductive, because it doesn't provide intimacy and warmth and you treat people merely instrumentally, and i am with the same woman i met when i was a child etc. Oh Jordan, come on, young people aren't designed for abstinency and, well at least he acknowledges this, casual sex provides adrenaline rush stable relationships may lack :) there is a time for everything, i applaud promiscuity in 20s and 30s.

[@tomasandrew9354]

@@miedqy0 agreed. I watched Paglia and Peterson’s video of their conversation, which was my first time hearing him talk. My impression was that Peterson pales in comparison to Paglia intellectually speaking. I found his ideas vacuous, which surprised me considering he’s a psychologist. Paglia has way more insight into human behaviour than he does and is light years more well-rounded than he is in different fields of knowledge.

[@Rubyuis]

this interview is the greatest thing i've ever seen

[@bresophil]

Such a treasure. I'm so glad I discovered her. Changed so much of how I see the world. May she live forever

[@magallanesagustin4952]

You are aware that she's in favor of pedophilia, right?

[@wearethenightparty]

Although Camille Paglia identifies herself as a feminist (albeit a dissident one) certain SJW editors on Wikipedia are actively and relentlessly reverting any reference to her as a feminist in her introductory description. This is because the radical left do not want her recognised as a feminist. This misrepresentation of Camille results in her Google description reading only as "academic and social critic". If any of you are wikipedia editors - fight the good fight and help keep an eye on these ideological wiki-warriors who are persistently re-shaping reality to adhere to their 'campus lenses'.

[@johnnybravo3839]

And....don't forget she is incredibly intellectually consistent!

[@bradbarnes1839]

@Juliana Silva lol paglia is very evidently not stupid, she's in fact a very stable genius

[@Paglia444]

wikipedia is propaganda

[@populisttrope9385]

No one should take Wikipedia seriously. It is pure state propaganda.

[@SquareNoggin]

They're doing her a favor. Feminism is not good or truthful, in any form. A large part of the problem is that many people who in good faith attempt to oppose the revolutionaries continue to accept and internalize false axioms of the revolutionary worldview. Feminism at it's core submits that men and women aren't fundamentally different (beyond arbitrary physiological accients of birth and the conditionining of the patriarchal culture) - and therefore any customs, norms, obligations and expectations imposed on either men and women respectively - because of their sex - are intrinsically unjust and "backwards". The implication being that the "enlightened" (IE revolutionary, or if you prefer "leftist") view is that men and women are the same and ought to do all the same stuff in the same ways. "Equality" But of course men and women are not the same, and the traditional view that we are in fact distinct (and when in cooperation, like in the institution of marriage, complimentary) - is much more truthful. It stands to reason that a culture and society that enables people to flourish will recognize this reality of the human condition and it's customs and norms will reflect that. That's not to suggest that any and all traditional "gendered" customs are good and ought to be defended at all costs - but that there will be "gendered" expectations, tabboos and norms should be taken for granted and we move forward from there. The feminist can't do that. Maybe they were correct to want to update or "modernize" certain gender norms after the industrial revolution and the upheavel that caused in society ans in families, but they necessarily throw the baby out with the bathwater because of their fundamental principles. It brings us to a point we're at now - where nearly all the traditions and customs related to sex and gender have been deconstructed and weakened, and we're so untethered from reality (and from the wisdom our inherited traditions could have granted us) that we'd hardly be able to discern which traditions ought to be maintained, which ought to be adjusted (slowly), and if any ought to be eliminated... We can't even know for sure anymore, because we've been tossing out our traditions without understanding why they were there in the first place. As it relates to sexuality, marriage, family and gender - the feminists are to blame for all the cultural dysfunction that I suspect is self evident to most of us today. All the feminists are guilty. Including the so-called "first wave". As crazy as it might sound to modern liberals, granting women the franchise actually wasn't worth the destruction of the family and all gender roles and norms. It wasn't worth for women or men. Many women who were contemporaries to the first wave feminists saw this inevitable outcome in their time, and (rightly) opposed the early feminists. Not out of weakness, not out of helplessness, not out of ignorance, not out of fear of responsibility, not out of shame over their womanhood - but out of love for their culture, their families and concern for their future. To read some of the women anti-sufragettes is quite eye opening; many made a very sound and eloquent case for why it's a good thing for it to be a husband's role to cast a vote, and (rightly) pointed out that if husbands and wives have conflicting political interests then that family has deeper and more pressing issues to sort out than the wife's damaged ego about having the "right" to go out and cast the vote herself. They saw families as the fundamental political unit, and as the head of the family, representing the family to the outside world, it's a husband's role to go out and cast the vote. Of course it's implied that this husband/father would be voting for what's best for his wife and children, and of course all the wisdom, insight, experience and love of his own wife will influence his decision - just as it influences him in all manner of profound ways. That's what a marriage is - two become one, made inseperable by the Creator Himself. As with the 1950s and 1960s civil rights people, modern people wildly underestimate just how radical those original "movers and shakers" really were, and just how much the chaos we see today is precisely in line with what they intended to bring about through their revolutionary praxis. The early feminists were absolutely trying to drive a wedge in the family, just as their ideological descendents continue to do. All this to say, I just can't take seriously people who cling to terms like "feminist". Either you're a queer theory radical who thinks sex distinctions are an oppressive social construct and we gotta "save trans kids" - or you're a "I'm a woman hear me roar!" who thinks solidarity between all women is somehow more meaningful than solidariry within an actual meaningful collective (like a family, a community, a nation, etc) which is always necessarily going to include men and women cooperating and with aligned interests. Any identity, movement, collective, etc. worth anything will be made up of both men and women. Ideally marrying each other and building families; because both men and women need one another to truly flourish and be virtuous.

[@kmacksmcdonald6475]

Camille predicted WOKENESS far before we all became aware of it. 2024 we all see what she said that came to fruition. If only more could have been done about it!!

[@moviereviews1446]

Whether or not you agree with what she says, one must admire how she says what she believes so fearlessly and with such conviction.

[@RMHVids]

she looks pretty fine here ngl

[@deansusec8745]

it is so sad that in 2021 all these issues are still around. Nobody listened

[@AnthonyAvery]

Working-class intellectual! love it

[@jonathankieranwriter]

Oh, the irony, considering the harassment subject matter. Charlie Rose 🤭😂 Camille rules. She was ABSOLUTELY prophetic about the damnation of the West in academe, which Charlie Rose, at that time, did not believe was even possible. He has been proven a fool in more ways than one.

[@ArtworkAnon]

I just discovered this girl and she really has a good grip. I like her energy.

[@max-ru6cz]

Surprised how gracefully she takes his interrupting her right when she’s about to make a point

[@daisyjohnson5368]

Thank you for posting!

[@tylerironside3915]

Charlie Rose acting like a saint for woman.

[@AB-bt9eb]

Love Camille...she's genius.

[@marcv2648]

She's intelligent, but history has shown her to be wrong.

[@michaelsnook1684]

@@marcv2648exactly the opposite lmao

[@KR-nv3ru]

Thanks for posting this. Can't get enough of Paglia. 😍🙌

[@jabrown]

Every time Camille Paglia says "okay", take a shot, okay? You'll be drunk in no time, okay?

[@tbk2010]

okay

[@spacewitch6667]

Ahah perfect! :)

[@HoNoRey]

I hyfgjjjbvdd )$! .. okay ?

[@krisphiles]

I've noticed this, but I watched her 1985 interview, and she didn't do it at all!!! In 1995 she did it a little bit.. Not sure why that developed, but I never let it distract me from the quality of her thought processes.

[@ccrisc100]

Always distracting from the point. Who cares if she says OK a lot?

[@roxanne4820]

15:08 I don't think she knew how much more relevant this would be 30 years later

[@ferilranbit]

she was on FIRE here, especially.

[@yggdrasil9039]

wow, 30 years ahead of her time

[@phoenixdoom]

That interview was on fire! These interviews should have millions of views, so entertaining

[@MatthewGriffin1]

She was really cooking on this one

[@aidepaul534]

The aries energy is real...

[@josepha.chavez8060]

Camille is simply magnificent.

[@Ali-jm5jm]

What a fun gal.

[@ledhicks]

The tension was palpable, but Camille is unshakeable. Love her.

[@marcv2648]

I like Camille too, but you have to acknowledge that her ideas have been proven wrong.

[@ledhicks]

​@@marcv2648what ideas? Cite one.

[@timearly5226]

Playback speed 0.75x

[@kevinmoseley1039]

She’s amazing

[@markkavanagh7377]

Love Camille, even just watching her mouth trying to keep up with her mighty mind!!!!

[@LOUI2054]

Based gay icon.

[@xLeeroycranex]

Spot on about it killing art. Even Roger Ebert was warning about political correctness potentially destroying art back in the 90s. Now, we see it in its ultimate form. I don't know how Hollywood recovers from it. It probably never does due to how deep the gatekeepers have seeped into the industry. Regardless, an entire generation has gone by without the next Scorsese/Spielberg/De Palma/Coppola or the next Coen Brothers/Tarantino/Fincher/PTA. I don't think people understand the limited resources/renting space/crew needed for a Hollywood production. That it has been wasted on various vanity projects? That's time and money that could've gone to the next great filmmaker.

[@nminodob]

Although I agree with a lot of what she says, she's dead wrong that "date rape is a dead issue thanks to me!" It's more alive than ever!

[@thedolphin5428]

Yep, that's not to mean it's true, but that the bullshit is still going on.

[@milestackettmusic]

The spirit of freedom & independent thought incarnate. Thank you Camille Paglia

[@divatalk9011]

She’s disappeared from public life now

[@solofilmproduction]

She is a strong independent character that can carry any intellectual argument, Bravo 👊

[@spacewitch6667]

I just dont know if I hate her immensely or love her immensely

[@elvansavkli3806]

She is so right about living in New York. New york is not a pace to be creative. Or learning. New York is a bubble. iT IS BUSINESS CENTER. What ever you do even arts are business.

[@mercury7192]

So what is?

[@kasperm.r.guldberg7354]

14:52: Interesting question - in hindsight...

[@phoenixdoom]

I just lovethe chemistry between these two :D . Camille having so much fun and interviiewer is certainly enjoying the conversation

[@sbwification2]

I love her, but she skated past the child pornography question.

[@miedqy0]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXvchmpqjJikjdU

[@miedqy0]

14:45

[@jec222]

@La Serpenta Canta the accusation is too shocking to be brushed aside.

[@windowtrimmer8211]

Great, great, great.

[@PhilipDaniel]

16:24 AMEN!

[@thelred9729]

16:18 hauntingly prescient

[@daverice2426]

Brilliant but also exhausting. I recommend 0.75 playback speed

[@GrahamMilkdrop]

To the people who are clambering to claim the moral high-ground and condemn the interviewer... you either have not listened to what Camille said or have not understood her perspective. I understand that the prevailing cultural narrative has been so effectively screwed into place that it isn't easy to detach, but if you are interested in ideas enough to be drawn to this video then you really ought to try to develop some capacity for critical thinking and independent thought.

[@tonyatmidnight]

I really don't understand your viewpoint, Graham ... you need to clarify exactly what you are trying to say. Are you against what people are now saying about Rose or his performance as an interviewer then?

[@nicolehandy690]

Interesting that comedians are being sensored and attacked these days. Because they highlight the truth and teach us to laugh at ourselves.

[@chernobylcoleslaw6698]

She claims to have never fallen in love with a man - challenge accepted.

[@MattBaker789]

From 12:48 to 13:35 - a “Joan Rivers” vibe if there ever was one!

[@duncefunce1513]

She's bang on about the death penalty, in my opinion, but boy does she breeze past the question of child pornography

[@rahulbhatia1313]

This woman always sees the future.

[@JohnCPaul74]

Charlie always had to talk more than his guests. His questions always had to be longer, wordier and more nuanced than he allowed his guests' answers to be. He was always competing with his guests. Now he's talking to himself, at last.

[@elvansavkli3806]

I love her energy . I wish there are women like her in my country i Turkey but noway.If one speaks like her ,all the other women in Turkey would not wanna do anything with her.

[@benbax5990]

Camile is fantastic.... clear talk....

[@marcv2648]

Paglia was cutting edge at this time. As a young man, I thought she had a better understanding of human sexuality than anyone in society. However, the last 20 years have proven that she was mistaken about a great many things. She essentially missed a more general understanding human sexuality at that time. Red Pill thinking has rediscovered that lost knowledge, and given a much more complete picture of human sexuality. This gives us a better understanding of why institutions like sexual monogamy within marriage were so rigorously enforced. Now at the rump end of the sexual revolution, we have relearned the lessons of millennia ago through bitter experience.

[@TwistedThunderKittie]

Can someeone please help me figure out when this was recorded and premiered? Here she is mentioning the harms of the industrial revolution in 1995 , the same year Ted Kacynski's manifesto is published in major newspapers (September 19th).

[@TwistedThunderKittie]

And I was not born yet..... but I'm dying to know her thoughts at this time

[@gum8191]

She’s right.

[@YouTubeShortsSuck734]

I am patiently waiting for Paglia in Love. I suspect it was written but nobody out of least 7 companies has had the moxie to publish it.

[@tristanmellor6799]

The “ok”s are beginning

[@makegeorgeorwellfictionaga9268]

This guy is white knighting a lot. I agree with a lot of what she says

[@aidanmurray7319]

I can’t reconcile the CIA and it’s involvement in Rock n Roll via Laurel Canyon. Not even gonna mention MK Ultra and mass-distributed LSD.

[@LukeMungo]

14:37 legendary status

[@willblakeguy]

Hilarious that Charlie Rose doesn't know what to do with her. He looks like she makes him exhausted. Has he ever talked as little as this in any interview?

[@roxanne4820]

wow her appearance has changed so much

[@sxnico]

she's 47 here. this was 24 years ago.

[@Rochelle937]

It's called aging.

[@edwardmaxwell3951]

LOL Charlie's questions are quite... pointed!

[@krisphiles]

Awesome

[@augustgreig9420]

Fuck. I'm in love.

[@Rochelle937]

What a horrible interviewer. He continually interrupted her, put words in her mouth, and seemed visibly angry that she wouldn't follow along with him like a docile puppy. He argued with her rather than listen to her. If an interviewer isn't genuinely interested in hearing what a guest says, then he shouldn't have her on.

[@ladanmahgoub4769]

You can literally feel his exhaustion with her at 26:40 lol

[@Ken_Brooks]

12:34 Charlie is all in on this line of thought.

[@jonnydoe85]

I think it would be difficult to be a Libertarian who wants all government out of our lives and still be a Bernie Sanders supporter.

[@miedqy0]

She explains that in one interview, i'll show you :)

[@miedqy0]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXqzlYWdqJ6jo68

[@miedqy0]

around 1 hour and 9 minutes she explains that.

[@jonnydoe85]

@@miedqy0 Thank you for that. I watched her reply and still cannot understand how she could support Sanders while calling herself a Libertarian. Believing the government should provide a safety net for the poor and take care of roads is one thing. What Sanders wants is a government that takes care of most everything. She says she supports a shrinking government. With Sanders you would get the opposite. Libertarians want low/no taxes. Try flying that idea past Bernie and see what it gets ya. Trust me, she's no Libertarian.

[@yendid7587]

j'adore

[@s.l.george7348]

There is no one like her......

[@hilmarthorbjarnason935]

She talks really fast.

[@assad5260]

usually can't find anything to disagree with her on, but her ideologies are leaking a little here. genuinely upset

[@bovnycccoperalover3579]

Rose is a faux intellectual but Paglia is the real deal. The things she was in academia 24 years ago has pervaded the rest of society. It has become a nightmare.

[@el_chico1313]

16:00 oh my good a woman speaking sense "leaaaaarning"

[@firouz256]

"Evita Person of the White House"! I am gaaaaging

[@Gorboduc]

The laugh after 28:10 lol

[@2packrm781]

15:37 I don't believe it..... she saw this coming over 20yrs ago🤯... & she was right on the Werstern Culture is evil & the outside is good. Damn.

[@RichardKoenigsberg]

Gee, Charlie Rose ain't as great as we thought he was. Seems like he's harassing the lady.

[@RocketKirchner]

Paglia defends Western civ !!!

[@marcv2648]

I view her defense as somewhat reactionary, but laudable. We had no way of knowing how relentless the attacks on Western Civilization would become. So most didn't take it as a serious threat at the time.

[@giovannibarranca2595]

10:56 Hilarious!

[@furiousmat]

boy how wrong she was about the date rape thing being dead.

[@DHU11]

30:24 was so cute lol

[@cezariebeaudry3620]

I have a hard time taking anything she says seriously as soon as she brings up being Italian or an Aries as being an excuse for her behavior

[@freakrainbo]

Maybe that’s something you need to work on.

[@vestaarcadia]

Clearly you need to spend more time around Italians

[@VortexGaming1121]

10:50 She argues if a women says yes to going to a man's apartment on the first date she is consenting to sex. No it doesn't, if they then start doing stuff then that can be seen as consent. I don't know how I feel about her viewpoint

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

Not quite. She explains her points more thoroughly in longer form discussion. She argues that communication, including sexual communication, is far more sophisticated than simply "yes" or "no". That women are capable of signaling various romantic or sexual messages through body language, interest, dress, etc. She argues that women should be knowledgeable about this, and communicate responsibly. Basically, if you go to a date's apartment afterwards, there is a message communicated. If you visit their apartment just to hang out in the day, that isn't necessarily the same message. She basically wants women to understand and embrace their power sexually, and to use it responsibly.

[@VortexGaming1121]

@@skinnysnorlax1876 Yeah that was a rash comment made haha. 100% agree with you

[@Jo-jl5ys]

12:53 Anita Hill is the biggest phony OH PLEASE

[@monte68x]

Tim Allen - a rich Hollywood celebrity - is a proletarian guy? Huh?

[@BoyGeorgestrait]

If I remember right. He got rich after prison. Maybe that's what she's talking about

[@boycemark6470]

Apologies, it gets worse... Ms Paglia does herself no favours...

[@duncefunce1513]

Proof that Kanye West is a true artist

[@martinburrows6844]

Wow. She called it. All this postmodern 💩