Poll Has Positive News for Labour Under the Bonnet

[@MattWhite-vh6xh]

The fact that it's not appalling for Labour, given all the cleaning-up they've got to do; and all the least-worse options they've got to take, is good news in itself.

[@Peterthepainter66]

Once they stop the boats they might improve. You can't have a town's worth of illegals rucking up annually indefinitely.

[@IvanIssaccs]

Conversation with my father - When you see Labour coming after pensioners like me why would I EVER vote for Labour! Me - You have NEVER voted Labour anyway He retired early, is a Landlord with a great private pension.

[@kathrynlenz8368]

In 1974 I had my only political conversation with my father. I asked him if he would vote SNP, he said the only way to keep the Tories out was to vote Labour.

[@BillDavies-ej6ye]

@@kathrynlenz8368 I voted Lib Dem once, I let the tories in. Lesson learned, don't split the vote.

[@carelgoodheir692]

@@BillDavies-ej6ye That could be the right lesson for you as an individual voter, but for all of us collectively the lesson is the scrap FPTP.

[@briankerrison8504]

So he left ppl behind.. 🙄🙄

[@davidpeacock40]

My mum who was 83 last week fully supports the fuel payment cut even though she is in the group that just looses out. Not all old people are unprincipled.

[@andrewdinatale8207]

Don't understand why people are blaming Starmer for the damage inflicted by the Tories.

[@conah9440]

Cos people don't understand how Starmers decisions can be blamed on Tories. Not everyone thinks and speaks in the language of spin.

[@MIEJ4]

@@conah9440maybe you need some lessons in basic politics and maths then

[@californiadreamin8423]

It’s all about sorting the wheat from the chaff, and already we see that with the previous post , and his previous posts. ( conah to be specific )

[@arcticbear2243]

I am a 66 year young from a Nordic country where we are taught critical thinking. When I speak with similar age British people, they don’t seem to have a clue how politics work. My mind often boggles just how ignorant people are here. And the frase: "all politicians are the same" really infuriates me.

[@californiadreamin8423]

@@arcticbear2243 Perhaps you’re speaking to the wrong people ? If you live in the U.K. then you will see that virtually all newspapers are no more than adult comics, and of course very few Brits understand Scandinavian languages and judge the content of their newspapers.

[@ArthurShelby481]

My country friend up in arms about farmers Inheritance tax. Pointed out the first £3million was exempt and it affected the likes of Clarkson etc. She didn’t know a thing about it as it turned out except what she saw on tv and what SHE wants to believe.

[@rickatatastan2695]

My OAP friend whispered to me that she'd got her winter fuel payment as if she wasn't supposed to. She didn't realise they haven't taken it off everybody, as the media want us to believe.

[@redf7209]

@@rickatatastan2695 This country is being ruined by people who don't have a clue being too lazy to check out facts and then voting due to the billionairres newspapers telling them what to think

[@janetmalcolm6191]

​@@rickatatastan2695This is where things go wrong! People hear bits of info some of it wrong and mainly not all of it. Just read headlines.

[@bookie5667]

There's no one "spinning" for this government. I'm not suggesting we should return to the spin-excess that we saw under the last Labour government. I think, however, Labour need someone like Alastair Campbell with a decent PR strategy.

[@janetmalcolm6191]

​@@bookie5667Yes saying what they ARE doing not the usual well Labours doing nothing are they?Which is all you read.

[@candidaprout560]

Thanks very much Phil 🍀. I never understood why some press didn't criticise the Tories but were so ready to criticise the new government. Reform the media. Have a nice evening 🍀 and all here

[@paulwood-f3y]

You been under a rock

[@markwelch3564]

or perhaps un-Reform the media - they've had their share of attention already!

[@lindacurrie8817]

​@@paulwood-f3yNo just be very happy out from under the Tories boulder. Give Labour time. 6 months Vs 14 years no comparison. Can judge 4 years down the line. Do hope that Labour achieves what they aim to do.

[@garyh5541]

I voted for Reform! Thank God my candidate lost! Never again!!!

[@janetmalcolm6191]

Good job Their policies are not good. People should take a good look.

[@colinthompson3111]

Glad to hear Phil mention a media briefing against them. Very good video.

[@ElMaestroGordo]

Can I just mention how much Mr. Moorhouse is putting a shift in on his channel & how appreciated it is? 🤩 The "politics whisperer" ... Hope KZbin reimburses you appropriately! 🥰

[@keithcannon5168]

It's not as if he has anywhere else to go. Very little consideration for his wife. No honeymoon? You never hear him talk about enjoying himself. Not even at his wedding

[@ozzie2612]

@@keithcannon5168 why should we

[@neilmchardy9061]

@@keithcannon5168WTF has his personal life got to do with you or anyone else? Tell us all about your relationship, if you’ve got one.

[@keithmiller1467]

Strange ..Phil is open to an honest . Your answers are on a little extra video about channel

[@pauli2169]

It is obvious that many Tory voting pensioners will not be here for the next election. My right wing voting parents are 90 and 86, they are up in arms about the winter fuel benefit being taken away, even though their winter fuel benefits will remain, plus their disabled benefits and a myriad of other benefits which they receive, allowing them to basically live in a sauna during the winter months. Oh, and the Labour Party have opened the door to immigrants , in case you did not know. However, during an evenings whisky drink with my dad , he astonished me by saying that if he could have his Brexit vote again tomorrow, he would vote to remain. Even he now knows that he was fed a load of lies.

[@floatingpeaks4584]

😂

[@DC-YTC]

That's why Reform is a "5 year plan" in the words of Farage because a lot of their target voter group will dead in 10 years time

[@Northstar-o2h]

You're a pensioner at 55 so you start thinking about pension benefits. In fact everyone should want pension benefits to increase, even some spotty faced little towt.

[@Britboy404]

Bet they don’t care the tories took away the same benefit last year People don’t care about what happens, just what the news makes them get upset about

[@Sakura-j5t]

I'm not a pensioner and I'm labour through and through, I'm disgusted by Starmer going after the vulnerable in society whilst protecting the rich. This is NOT a labour party. If he had been honest with labour members, he would NEVER have got the job as leader of the labour party. Only red tories think he's doing a good job.

[@DOROTHYSAWYERR-gv2wi]

At last! a bit of positive news for labour. Thank you for analysing the opinion poll Phil.

[@BrianCharlesThomas-dp9du]

Excellent news.

[@peterdollins3610]

Hope you are right. Left in such a deep & horrible hole by fourteen & a half years of the worst Government of my 82 years--Thatcher tried but Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss & Rishi hit it out of the park--it will be a miracle of turning wine into water scale if Labour can hit their targets.

[@arturobianco848]

Good thing about the public not believing they will not do so is if they come even close or de a significant increase the public will still appriciate it instead of being disappointed. Or at least some of them will others will probable just only here the media blating about Labour not doing what they promised even if they never promised it but just said we striving for it.

[@SPinder-qw6yg]

I can't understand the extreme criticism of Starmer, how long do they think it will take to put all the shit of the last tory government right and get us back on track. No pain no gain

[@arturobianco848]

since when is the avarage voter reasanble? Good thing about it is that they will have forgotten this about the time they need to vote again. So if labour can recover in about 2 years thats soon enough for the next election.

[@blechtic]

It's weird. It is so much easier to tear things down that to build or rebuild them and you've had Tories tearing stuff down for 14 years.

[@grahamgriffiths7405]

I would like him more if he just had a personality to be fair

[@SPinder-qw6yg]

@grahamgriffiths7405 . Thats your opinion and your entitled to it, to me having a personality isn't a problem,it didn't do us much good with the likes of Johnson. I don't expect to be entertained, just someone who takes it seriously and does the job. Again no disrespect to you or your opinion.

[@blechtic]

@@grahamgriffiths7405 He's not your mate down the pub or anything. You don't have to like him. Like what he does. You're not voting to get a friend, you're voting for people to do their jobs well. As long as he does that, he might as well be the most abrasive person to ever walk this earth. It's not like you're ever going to have to spend any time with him. (Though, if you were to meet him, you might like him more in person. You're only seeing his professional persona through media who aren't exactly trying to do him any favours.)

[@molerun]

I'm a pensioner, and for various reasons I get less than the basic pension, I don't struggle, I am a little frugal but we were brought up that way, most of us don't lack much, in fact I donate quite a bit to charities. One friend of mine claims he struggles but he insists on keeping his five bedroom house and goes on and on about his heating costs, and maintenance , I say get a smaller flat and make you large property available to those in need. He's and old friend but I've lost sympathy for his greedy attitude. He has a state pension and a healthy private one, I swear he doesn't need that £300, no matter how much he claims he does. Even the car he drives makes me wonder how he can afford that but not his heating.

[@Maltloaflegrande]

We (I'm also a pensioner) all seem to have to deal with a seeming army of our contemporaries up in arms about this supposedly treacherous government. None of those whingeing read the papers beyond the deliberately misleading headlines and let's face it, the BBC is little more than a watered-down version of GBeebies in terms of its determination to platform Deform. After 14 years of being mollycoddled by a government assuming we'll keep them in power, we're now having withdrawal symptoms of not having absolutely everything we want.

[@davidpeacock40]

So many are outraged that their £300 golf club bar bill subsidy has been removed.

[@kevinjohnson3782]

Sounds like a greedy hypocrite.

[@janetmalcolm6191]

Look also at Pension Credit. You might be able to get that.

[@Lotan_]

They really want to have their cake and eat it too, that's the problem.

[@anthonynichols8468]

Please send this to GBnews please...Nanna needs to know . This will Cheer her immensely 😅

[@blisseyran-dom6822]

I think it's worth noting that the age 18-24 group polled are 47% for Labour, and that is what Labour achieved in the election this year. Younger people (like myself) still are very much overwhelmingly in favour for Labour. It's only after that when the support seems to have dwindled. It's also worth noting that the Lib Dems in that demographic are up to 15% from 8%, and Reform and the Tories are both down. "The circle of life" could be massively beneficial for Labour going into 2029 with the amount of new voters that there will be voting for them compared to the natural decline in Tory voters.

[@arturobianco848]

Probable a lot of those lib dems voted strategicly for labour and since this is a bit of nonsens poll now have gone to their real choice. thats the problem with FPTP you can't really vote like you want to but you can poll it.

[@Carlotta-x3c]

😂😂😂

[@paultaylor7082]

One big flaw with the 18 to 24, an indeed, 18 to 30 age group. Usually around two thirds of the electorate vote in General Elections (in July it was only 60%, compared to the two thirds turnout in the previous 3 General Elections (2015, 2017 and 2019). The usual turnout for the 18 to 30 age group is only around 50%, indeed many of them are to be found in the around 6 million (14% of the electorate) who aren't even registered to vote in the first place, according to the independent Electoral Reform Society.

[@blisseyran-dom6822]

@@paultaylor7082 Yeah that's definitely gotta be something for Labour to work on. I did vote Labour as did one other friend my age, but everyone else I know just stayed at home because they didn't really care. The thing is though, a fair few of my friends who, again, didn't vote, have said to me that they like what Labour is currently doing and will probably vote for them next time around. The focus for 2029 has to be getting people to vote when they can for the first time, rather than the second when they might start to care a little more about how politics affects them.

[@doritoarmy1026]

@@Carlotta-x3cGood argument.

[@joanormrod4893]

Before the election a lot of people were saying they didn't mind getting small tax raises so long as they could see improvements in services. The tories tend to say lets cut taxes and shrink the state. But you cannot have cut taxes, shrink the state and get better services. Let's hope Labour can turn the Titanic round.

[@xMasterAssassin93]

These results are encouraging. Like with Javier Milei (but far less insane), it was expected that things would get worse before things could get better after Labour won power. The 14 years of destroying EVERYTHING in the country requires a major kick up the ass to shift gears and repair everything bit by bit, which we all knew was going to be no easy feat. I expect their poll ratings to continue to plummet into the next year, until next summer where some of the effects from policies and the budget bare some fruit and people realize that it was nowhere near as bad as they think right now. Labour could be close to, if not at, the floor of the potential rating they could get in this parliament, which is promising as this data shows they can afford it for gains further down the line. But they cannot be complacent and lazy and ignorant about the threat of Reform either.

[@EdJames-tb9oz]

"These results are encouraging.et al". Agree "But they cannot be complacent and lazy and ignorant about the threat of Reform either." I don't think they actually are ignoring Reform. At this stage Reform are still doing a massive amount of Damage to the Tories, who are Labours actual rivals. Why interrupt two of your enemies knocking 7 bells out of each other? In 4.5 years time Reform will still have no record at all to stand on but the previous 5 years of spewing hate. Nothing on public Governance or making lives any better. Its 4.5 years of the brilliance of the Leanderthal. There would be absolutely nothing they can actually do to legislate for anything. They can not force any change to the Govenment whatsoever. In 4.5 years it is increasingly likely that the Tories will no longer even be the Official Opposition having split or leached to reform leaving the Lib Dems in the role. Do you think the Tories can come back from that? Johnson already got rid of the competant ones. Bad Enoch just spent all her PMQs this year pointing out her own screw ups. who do they have thats better.

[@markwelch3564]

but with Milei, I just see things getting worse, before they get a lot worse...

[@JasonAtlas]

Millies policies are not coherent if you believe he is trying to make things better. He's cut back all public services and is investing in the military and the police whilst implementing more anti-protest laws and deregulating buisnesses. Argentina is a country with a lot of low quality laws that don't work so well, but they also have a lot of very good worker protections. Millie has not been cutting mostly bad laws. He just cut everything. If you were really trying to make it work you would do radical legal reform(Millie is doing this but I'm not sure he's got it right) whilst shifting any spare resources into your future(Millie is not doing this and is investing in the military). He is doing well at gaining foreign investment though. Public infrastructure can take some losses when your as deep in the hole as Argentina is but Millie is not stepping with caution at all. I think it could have been turned around without casting half the country into poverty.

[@pbtips1]

The Media is providing succour to Reform. Clearly the Billionaires who control the media want this. This means it is bad for the rest of us

[@Gh44HZ]

we?

[@SwatantraNandanwar]

That sounds a bit more reassuring. The Poll shows that the Public are giving Labour more time to fix the roof while the rains still pouring in. So by the time Sunny days come along, things will be looking a lot lot better. Thanks for your careful and considered analysis of the data. Makes Xmas more pleasant to look forward to now. Happy Xmas and New Year to All!

[@Noel-ji8nm]

What Labour policies are reassuring.

[@colincampbell4261]

No fault evictions for one.

[@Noel-ji8nm]

@@colincampbell4261 That's piddling in comparison to the rest of the bad policies.

[@simondjangothe4349]

‘fix the roof’? I thought we were fixing the foundations first. should I bring my hat as well as my wellies? I’m confused and full of buyer remorse

[@lindacurrie8817]

​@@Noel-ji8nmWhere you listening to what I was listening to? It was there to understand. Listen again....

[@mattwright2964]

Labour need to keep their nerve. Many of the problems we have in the UK were decades in the making and won't be solved quickly. That said I would humbly suggest two things- a) get to grips with your comms; b) you are right to prioritise growth but be sure you have actually properly identified the most impactful actions and engage with the right people to check you have.

[@BeatriceCowley-x4p]

Anything that is good for Labour. Thus keeping Reform in check. Is great. Labour need to find away to contrast the legacy media. Who will ignor or down play anything labour achieves. Labour needs to toot it horn as loud as it can. Many people are buying into the right wing natrative. If Labour want to avoid being a one term government they need to challenge.

[@Pikaling3408]

yup I would advise them to work on improving and refining on the social media front give make it uncomfortable for rival parties.

[@DavidMoxham957]

@@Pikaling3408 About to say the same thing.

[@twocvbloke]

I remember you saying before the GE that support in the polls would drop for the incoming leader and party, and it did, because that's what happens after a change of parties, so if anything, things are right on track, but we still need those media reforms because even good news is spun as the worst news ever to befall a nation, time the media were held to account...

[@paultaylor7082]

I'm old enough to remember that barely 2 years after becoming PM, the Tories in 1981 were third in the polls, behind Labour and the Liberal/SDP Alliance. Remember David Steel's Llandudno Conference exhortation, 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Government?' The following year, along came the Falklands War, a year later Thatcher won a 140 seat majority and remained in power for 11 1/2 years.

[@chaptermastermarneuscalgar6926]

I wonder if Labours polling will start to increase next year when people start to feel the effects of their policies, such as the workers and renters rights bills that are currently going through Parliament.

[@stewie7338]

😂😂😂

[@leeedsonetwo]

At present Labour has not put policies in place that will help the economy, this is what people will judge them on.

[@Sergiblacklist]

There will be some but the biggest will come in 2027 when they unfreeze tax allowance. They will put money back in people's pockets and quite a significant amount. If they do it and they would be mad not to.

[@janetmalcolm6191]

​@@leeedsonetwoNo some things really matter to others policy wise. This policy will make a difference to many. Nothing happens overnight!

[@michaellawrence7570]

Anyone but reform fartage kemi and the tories in government

[@swiftsabre28]

The problem is that I only ever hear good Labour news from commentators such as yourself - Labour should be CROWING about these things. If I, someone left wing already, is hearing bad news in the main press and good news from niche commentary sources, this indicates how bad labours comms are - they need to TALK UP THEIR GOOD POLICIES to the people instead of getting people to comb through shit to find gold

[@arturobianco848]

Well thats a bit difficult if the majority of the media is owned by those who want labour gone. Now some reform in the BBC might be needed but they can't move to fast without being accused of "Corrupting" it. That will happen anyway but there are a lot of people who can actualy use their brain. So if they make it nice and neutrale that should at least do the trick. O and yesthey should invest in platforms as this.

[@BananaBananaBanana-y3k]

when labour start to reduce the ratio of inequality in the UK, I'll give them kudos. still waiting for it to even start heading in the right direction

[@johnparsons6443]

No people are blaming Starmer for saying one thing before the election and doing the complete opposite when elected

[@janetmalcolm6191]

Sounds about normal to me. Don't forget the extra money going to the NHS. 40 new hospitals. Boris told many untruths.

[@assses-3216]

It's quite normal in an election cycle for this to be a point of unpopularity. It just depends where they go from here. I don't think any of us really expected to go from a NHS with years of waiting lists for key services, to a fully functioning system in 5 months.

[@janetmalcolm6191]

​@@assses-3216Only the Stup*d would be thinking like this. Takes months of laws and policy change. No magic wand. Only the nieve think like this.

[@MazzaEliLi7406]

Thank you.

[@grahamariss2111]

Lot of that Conservative vote, being old and firmly Brexit in nature, they are not going to want to vote for a Brown person.

[@brianferguson7840]

And, Sunak and Badenock ? Someone voted for them 🤔🤔

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@brianferguson7840 Badenoch had a lot of support from older wyt voters in her constiuency

[@Lindafoy11]

There hopefully won't be many of them left by next election......I'm 70 and am DISGUSTED by many of My generations attitude and ignorance! WE were the 60's generation after All.....We were All about change, fairness and equality.. not bigotry and selfishness

[@grahamariss2111]

@@brianferguson7840 Sunak lost the leadership election to Truss when in front of the Party membership and you might have missed this, but also lost the election in July and Badenock was parachuted into one of the safest Conservative seats in the country against the wishes of the local party.

[@grahamariss2111]

@@jasonhaven7170 So she would, she holds a super safe Conservative seat, a monkey with a blue rosette could win it in normal circumstances.

[@Paul-md8de]

My mum lived in a care home for the last 5yrs of her life , she didn't need her winter fuel allowance for those years,it's right that this is more targeted at those who really need it .

[@rickatatastan2695]

Merry Xmusk, Phil!

[@nedbushcrafter7185]

Ill believe their policies when they happen

[@ADifferentBias]

Which is fine, and what people should do. I'm not convinced they will achieve some of their policies until I see it.

[@nedbushcrafter7185]

@ADifferentBias totally agree , tye problem is with me they rowed back on soo many polices ,pledges and promises ,I'm finding it very hard to beleive anyrhing they say now

[@brotherd89]

When I see Tony Blair of all people saying negative things about sir K , you gotta ask is sir k really the best front man for Labour ,🤔.

[@Kyran-j2y]

Labour is the final nail in the coffin for this country 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@neilmachon9828]

No the tories have already done that ...I see that you're one of the uneducated or perhaps very rich

[@neilmachon9828]

No the tories have already done that ...I see that you're one of the uneducated or perhaps very rich

[@johnkeilloh2682]

What people (reform voters) don’t understand is that Labour have 4.5 years to do good stuff. In the first 2 years they can do stuff that might annoy their voter base and others, then in last 2 years they start giving people back stuff. That’s the idea, whether we’re in a good economic situation in 2027 who can tell.

[@joshuaparrott2458]

The early polling nosedive is standard. Just don't get complacent.

[@andrewgraham508]

Love how you think labour tanking in the polls is good new under the bonnet 😂

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

I'm still waiting for the workers rights legislation we were promised. I would have expected that to have been a priority for a Labour government but it seems to have been forgotten about. This causes me concern. Also, Phil keeps saying : "Don't worry the 2 child cap on benefits is bound to be lifted soon" but Starmer has said he is keeping it because it is popular. So that's depressing given the previous Labour administration's good record on alleviating child poverty. So the two policy areas that would have most benefitted my immediate and extended family seem to be being neglected. Not very Labour like. I nearly voted Labour again this time around but my spidey sense told me not to. Glad I didn't so far otherwise I would be feeling really betrayed. I am still hoping Starmer will prove me wrong but so far he is proving me right. I don't recognize the Labour party any more. If they don't start acting like the Labour party again soon Starmer will loose my vote again.

[@grahamgriffiths7405]

Got to love your optimism Phil 👍

[@MrHoopski]

i notice you have neglected to comment on Starmer lying to parliament - he needs to resign as he called for Boris to do the same when he lied

[@markaxworthy2508]

The best analysis I have seen. Labour has clearly front loaded the bad news early, when they can still blame unpopular but necessary decisions on the Tories.

[@paulhalliwell8902]

The best Christmas present!!👍

[@markwgoldsmith]

Today, BBC news full of dire news about July to September: zero growth. So that's likely to be a result of Sunaks policies leading up to the election, & uncertainty around a change of government. CBI spreading despondency asa result, but weren't they the ones saying Starmer shouldn't be talking the economy down?

[@Margaret-p4r]

Thanks Phil at last some better news 👏

[@daviddunmore7076]

I'm retired, but I still think the governmenwas right to means-test the winter fuel allowance, there's not a magic money tree (However much the tories would like to think so).

[@tecdesigns8183]

It would be great if Labour achieves the goals they say, but it not reported in the mainstream no one will know. The mainstream just focus on the bad.

[@JohnTheJoiner]

I have been a labour supporter since my first vote in 1979, I think. I admire your optimism and I'm heartened by it but I don't see how this government can grow the economy with their tricky national insurance rise, crippling businesses and even upsetting the likes of Tom Kerrige. They're messing up badly. Tax Amazon, Google, corporates not the average wage bill

[@Fenster-lx]

Very interesting analysis

[@slayerrocks2]

I'm 55 and have never been quizzed by a pollster. Who are they polling? Pensioners and the unemployed?

[@simondjangothe4349]

My MP gets lots of dosh from YouGov, she won’t tell me why🤷🏻‍♂️

[@carelgoodheir692]

Pollsters tend to quiz about 1000 on each occasion. 1000 in 60000000 is a drop in the ocean. Very few of us are ever going to be polled in person. The art of polling is to try to be as sure as possible that the sample is representative - not an easy art as the results prove!

[@tomwaller6893]

What poll is that, Phil? Is it the one where 63% of people polled across Scotland voted for a Scottish Republic free from English control? Scotland will JOIN THE EU.

[@dannywatson4253]

The polling on expectations is quite important. We all know that public trust in politics is in the gutter, and that's one of the big reasons people support Reform. If Labour can actually do what they say they will, that will hopefully shift people back towards conventional politics instead of extremism. Having said that, it's also possible that people won't pay enough attention to recognise that any improvements are a result of good governance, and there's little reason for many people to vote for a party they believe has already done everything they wanted. Labour can't afford to let their optics stay as they are.

[@michaelmcnamee533]

Fantastic analysis. I still think Labour should be bolder re the EU and progressive taxation and borrow more for state investment rather than rely on PFI which they always seem to get bad deals on. I also think more should be done to protect government or public assts from Tory assett stripping and private equity piracy. Thames Water is a prime example

[@decimal1815]

Social media campaigns will claim that Labour have achieved nothing in power. That will be difficult to counteract. Spending on political campaigning online needs to be controlled.

[@obi-ron]

The problem seems to be that yhe labour party forgit to grab Julie Andrews and ask her to sing "Spoonful of Sugar" to the public before they presented their responses to the mess left by the last government and the right objected to Starmer not providing entertaining distractions as they always did.

[@Scanini]

Thing is the right wing papers might all be crying but you can see Kier getting on with it, it is like having proper grown ups back in charge and you can see Kier really means what he says

[@Psychotol]

Don't pensioners have relatives in younger age brackets?

[@mcbunson]

I hope they are hearing message loud and clear. Sort your bloody coms! Hopefully they get in someone who knows new media not just enough Blair era face who's knowledge is 10/20 yrs old

[@RegHoldsworth-ri7hh]

Thx phil.

[@Cyrus09]

Labour just need to get one thing and one thing only done to make sure they win in the next election. take down all those food importation barriers set by the Torries. those barriers only exist because of the unshakable xenophobic mind of the Torries and since they no longer in charge, those barriers can go straight to the rubbish bin. as long as the supermarket is full of fresh food once again like the days before the Brexit, the British people will know the right one to vote for. build more public houses is definitely good too, but it takes time to get it done and let the people feel the benefits. it will definitely do good in the election eight years later in 2032, but now Labour needs to ensure the victory in 2028.

[@ChrisBennett-y2j]

Warming Labour big tax hikes a food tax increase coming our way so food is mega expensive and now Labour going make us pay even more to eat that’s if we can afford food in first place after energy bills water bills and housing tax not forgetting road tax going up 50 per cent under Labour trying force people out there cars. Labour want tax everything so you can’t live. Now wake up and let’s vote them out and keep them out for good every chance we get local elections and election time make them pay big time for the fuel money to old people. Let’s freeze them out of power for 20 years plus.

[@paultaylor7082]

You'll get your chance to vote them out between now and July 2029. You don't get to dictate the date of the next General Election, Sunak kept us waiting almost 2 years after becoming PM before deciding to hold a General Election. Now imagine if he'd hung on, with worsening economic news, and held the election between November and January? The Tories would have been lucky to remain the second largest party. BTW, is English your first language? Your grammar and punctuation, as well as the misuse of certain words, would leave many people to conclude you didn't pay much attention during English lessons at school, as you post is almost semi-illiterate.

[@carelgoodheir692]

You don't know any of these things, you just make stuff up.

[@ChrisBennett-y2j]

Put it this way watch if plastic tax comes watch if we go into recession early 2025 watch if Labour Party is one term government. Trump will put tariffs on uk imports making it harder to sell to USA. And Labour no growth since budget two months running lol recession on way employers laying people off right left centre since Labour tax hikes. Labour always make u employment worse. Cos they useless

[@Peterthepainter66]

Pension credit costs more than a 300 quid one off payment to administer and fork out.

[@SailingCloseToTheWind]

I've said all along that polling will be an outlier and not an influential point. The fact is that "everyday" people will be affected (good and bad), but not all people of that ilk will be polled.

[@tommymorrison6478]

It's good news for Labour IF they deliver.

[@mike-myke22]

Is Starmer's strategy to be tough on old people and tough on the causes of old people?

[@neilmchardy9061]

🤡

[@SirWhig-esq.]

First past the post 🎉 for now against reform and splitting tories, but P.R for the second/third G.E post 2029

[@mustrumridcully3853]

It could be argued that the Pensioners are the one who mostly voted for Brexit - Times change. It cold be argued they are now being punished for the damage they caused.

[@robertallen591]

its five years away anything is possible

[@gwynethbennellick427]

Sound is better now, thanks a lot! 🎉

[@alanrogers9597]

Labour's problem seems to be that of sales technique, their changes are so badly delivered, it's hard to grasp any short or long term benefits !! Also, MSM appear to be in deep with the civil service, who give them story after story to undermine any progress or benefit. Starmer needs to step down before it's too late.

[@grahamkearnon6682]

Shocking that after 17 years then more recently 14 years in the Opposition role, that Labour still don't know how to run a PR front. Yes the right wing is dying but, it still has a pulse.

[@chris-du9hp]

Is this man for real , starmer is crippling this country.

[@secchu8812]

They not saving that much money from the winter fuel allowance cut cos there is an increase in pension credit. Its not alot since it anounts to a few pounds per week. It just seems alot cos its paid as a single lump sum and taking money of voters is never popular. They didn't even tell voters what the money saved was spent on. Was it really worth the popularity hit?

[@glynsmith4590]

Disappointed with the 'sales techniques', or lack of them, to explain their aims and logic, particularly the effect on firms looking to expand staff. Even supporters have dropped new staff intake.

[@BazzyPredPop]

The people that wanted Boris voted Tory and then when that was taken out of their hands and they got stuck with Sunak they voted reform and then subsequently after the election when Boris didn’t come back and they got stuck with kemmi that just shifted a load more of them to reform

[@Hiram8866]

7:40 This is where I disagree with you, personally I think economic growth has gone, pretty much globally, and without growth it is going to hard for Labour to improve the UK. Time will tell and I hope I am wrong.

[@timeoftheyear5230]

Phil, I really hope you are right cause where I work most of the guys and girls think nigel farage is the new messiah. These people are normally Labour voters. At the moment they blame Labour for everything. We've had 4 pay increases in 14 years 3 at 1% another at 5% but inflation was around 11% at the time. There are a lot of Eastern Europeans working at my factory. The brits don't like it 1 little bit. So in their eyes nigel farage is the answer to their dreams.

[@evangiles4403]

The farmer's and the fishermen thought that too but Brexit has well and truly shafted them

[@paultaylor7082]

@@evangiles4403 Somehow I don't see farmers getting the same level of sympathy as NHS workers did during the Covid pandemic. I trust no one has organised a clapping session for the farmers on Thursday nights, or is planning to do so any time soon? As you say, many of the famers' leaders were advocating for Brexit, they can hardly complain now, but they will.

[@assses-3216]

It's true wards which had high Labour voters also had high reform voters. This is partly also due to the attempt of reform to appeal to the 'working class' which had previously been seen as a predominantly Labour voting demographic. Populism always offers simple solutions to complex problems and thrives when people are feeling the pinch, or when there is large wealth disparity. There is a lot of resource going in to this cult of personality around Farage, and there will continue to be. Those who may have voted for Brexit or just want to improve their opportunities are drawn to him. If you look at the way he speaks, he often gets asked a question, reframes it into a question he wants to answer and says simple sentences about what he wants and believes. The simplicity makes it seem like he will get things done, but the reality is he has 20 years to have a vision for Brexit, and all he did was get it over the line, leave, and then return to be a contrarian from the sidelines again. Make no mistake, if Labour don't make improvements tangible, the discontent may increase reform's votership. They will also have resources next time to target more seats.

[@keithmiller1467]

Hay phil i got a labour government For my birthday And xMas 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Julian_Wang-pai]

Economic risk: Hurricane CHUMP

[@paulawakefield7869]

🙏 PM for some political pre 🎄 cheer 👍

[@gerard7833]

Labour ,change there name, do you really think they build those houses ,joke

[@decimal1815]

Higher fuel costs and inflation may cancel out other benefits of Labour government

[@billwoolley1040]

You should listen to the parody of the Mud song lonely this Christmas, freezing this Christmas to know what people really think about this government

[@hornetgamer8980]

I'm going to my parents' over Christmas. They are not in the slightest doubt about the fact that they will be spoken to like children on politics should the topic come up, unless or until such time as they demonstrate an adult position on it. I fully accept that it's possible (and was once common) to have an adult, right-leaning position. Suffice to say they do not.

[@neonwired4978]

lib dem 11% get 72 seats, green party 10% get 4 seats, we need PR

[@simondjangothe4349]

Always read the washing instructions on clothing. (unless you’re not fussed about personal presentation)

[@TheThewindymiller]

Could i intrest you in some magic beans Phil?

[@simondalton-vr9vw]

Pr would get reform close to being main opposition, they should push for it problem is they have no real policies and would have to change character quickly, not impossible. Interesting times coming, does this mean a move to yhe right in the population at large? I think not but sth potentially radical may be about to happen

[@jamesguitar7384]

This is wonderful news . The relentless anti Labour propaganda from every direction every day was grinding me down.

[@Adam-k8v]

Raising living standards almost always difffuses culture war nonsense.

[@markbrad123]

Thank you Labour for minimum wage increase next year. However please reconsider VAT on vapes as they encourage people to stop smoking cigarettes - if it is just as expensive there will be no financial incentive in switching. Also consider that if people fully stop vaping it may make them morbidly obese as they replace the addiction with food binges - that is what usually happens.

[@grahamleiper1538]

So it's OK for Labour to go after people that don't vote for them anyway? (Pensioners and farmers, and the pensioners will be dead soon) This is hardly the Labour party I didn't vote for, it's not going to grow their vote above the 33.8% is it? It's not "all about communication", it's about bad decisions, denial that they're bad decisions, and then doubling down on them to not show weakness, with all the political nouse of Thatcher and the poll tax. If the LibDems had shown themselves to be trustworthy in 2010, or had even been pro another referendum in 2019 rather than just stopping Brexit apparently undemocratically, they'd likely be headed for power now.

[@paultaylor7082]

72% of farmers vote Tory, according to the Farmers Union. Ever heard the expression 'appeal to your core voters?' Farmers are among the worst moaners in the country, the moaned for Brexit, now they're moaning it was the wrong sort of Brexit, and also moaning about the IHT loophole many of them have been able to exploit since it was introduced. As a sector of society, many people have little sympathy for them, with their £150K plus tractors and £1000 plus weatherproof jackets. To portray many of them as poor is stretching credulity somewhat.

[@eddieweaver6999]

So when is it going to get better? After the next recession? They have not finished yet.

[@jackreacher5667]

This means diddly, Labour are four/half years from an election, lets see nearer the time, reeks of clutching at straws.

[@CrystalController]

The main argument for voting age not being given to 16 year olds is that they are too young to understand politics and dont take it seriously (like 18 year olds im sure ALL voted) but not actually because tories know that their values dont wash with that generation and they need to keep the age gap higher or labour, greens and lib dem would get higher vote shares

[@CrystalController]

@kevinsimpson-dw6vu not really, anyone can vote for who they want to. A 16 year old from a family that always votes tory would likely vote as they have been given bias information

[@CrystalController]

@kevinsimpson-dw6vu what are you on about of course it's the same for the labour or lib dem etc

[@paultaylor7082]

@kevinsimpson-dw6vu 16 year olds, many of whom are in work, pay Income Tax. I seem to remember a certain country 3000 miles west of the UK that fought a certain war over 'No taxation without representation'.

[@paultaylor7082]

@kevinsimpson-dw6vu 16 year olds are allowed to vote in Scottish Parliamentary Elections. So that's likely to mean the SNP and Labour, if not the Lib Dems, support this in Scotland? As for the Tories and Reform (polling under 5% in Scotland) who gives a shit what they think about it?

[@chris-du9hp]

Just wait until April 2025 when you tax and no pay ments reach an all time high, petrol car tax , food bills rent ect yes labour for it right have they ?

[@AdrianWhyatt]

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[@dogpaw775]

Delusional.

[@Northstar-o2h]

Considering how bad the UK economy is going to get, this is extremely optimistic.

[@petert7332]

This is the type of comment I hate - most of the pensioners affected don’t vote Labour anyway. That should not matter. At the end of the day the government needs to work for all people not just their voters. I understand that any policy will potentially affect people negatively - that is unavoidable. But here is the problem - if the effect has a material impact on your life you are going to notice. Very often it is also a combination of things with each individual item not being an issue but in the aggregate. And don’t get me wrong - I understand what lLabour is trying to achieve but the way they are going about it is not very inspiring.

[@marklean8707]

With coms in mind and situations intrinsically linked with the u.s could labour reach out to independent media in the same way Joe Biden sat for an American independent media network (media’s touch)recently

[@tarquinmerryweather4929]

If you wish to discover what populist government looks like see "2073" film. We don't need populists government here!