Why Haiti is in a Constant State of Emergency

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[@loveinseattle]

I have a nebula subscription but this video literally crashed when I tried to watch it on nebula just now. I love the content on nebula but can you PLEASE tell the devs to step up their game? There are so many glitches and it sucks.

[@John_Smith_86]

Downvoted for bias against France (I am Asian, not French). Haiti mass executed the Whites upon its independence. The debt was not excessive

[@PapiBocaChula]

@10:30 - 11:05 doesnt that play book look and sound very familiar to US?

[@alexlorenzo7049]

This is distorted history lol

[@robymaru03]

Should've mention the Clington family as well, who embezzled most of the money that was mean to help Haiti recover after the earthquake.

[@SirHenryMaximo]

During an interview, a Brazilian Army Special Forces sniper was asked if he had any regrets about his service on the UN peacekeeping mission on Haiti. He answered the only thing he regretted was not being able to find and take out every single gang leader he was assigned to eliminate. When asked why that was, he talked about a horrendous thing those gang members did to Haitians, the only thing he felt he could speak about, and that alone was reason enough for him.

[@S986S]

Could I get a link?

[@dylanf3108]

@@SirHenryMaximo Jesus that’s horrendous.

[@TheBooban]

Nothing can help Haiti except military occupation and protectorate status, almost a re colonisation.

[@jamesdewane1642]

@@TheBooban No. The dynamic, in case you missed it, is that competent Haitian leadership is not allowed to govern. Watch again. Do not miss the PURPOSE of two decades of US marine occupation: 1) get the Germans out 2) establish a client state. Haiti has been a "client state" of the US ever since. It's a colony. Everything is managed to the financial benefit of US interests. This predatory behavior knows no limit. When Biden says the goal of the Ukraine war is regime change in Moscow, it is driven by the exact same avarice. Any competent leadership anywhere is hateful to the imperial ambition, which seeks only to take and answer to no one.

[@MegaBanne]

@@TheBooban That would lead to a brutal never ending war.

[@DeviousDumplin]

I felt like this video skimped on some of the ugly and interesting history of the Haitian revolution that I hope I can explain here. The reason why Haiti had such a hard time being recognized was threefold. First, the Haitian revolution operated hand-in-hand with an ethnic cleansing of light-skinned Haitian residents. This ethnic cleansing was extremely brutal with entire families often summarily executed by being hacked to death by sugar cane machetes. Most of the people killed were not slave owners but rather simply the incorrect skin tone. Interestingly, indentured Polish workers were the only light-skinned residents to be spared this massacre because they were viewed as similarly victimized by the slave state. There is still a population of Polish Haitians living in Haiti today. This ethnic cleansing lead basically all European powers to label Haiti as an 'outlaw' state and sanction it for the mass murder. Second, due to the relative popularity of slavery in the 1790s and early 1800s there was reluctance among European powers to recognize a slave rebellion. As many nations still operated their own slave colonies in the new world, they were worried about Haiti exporting slave rebellion to their own colonies. However, due to the rich resources in Haiti, and the number of enemies France had at the time of Napoleon, there was significant desire to access Haitian goods. For this reason, one of Haiti's biggest trading partners were American Yankee merchants who traded with Haitians in a kind of grey-market trade. The US did not officially acknowledge the Haitian state, but the US did not take actions to stop the Yankee merchants from trading. So the US/Haiti relationship was a purely commercia one. Third, Haiti experienced profoundly volatile government during the period immediately following the revolution. Transfers of power were typically violent and carried out by coup rather than a succession plan. This made negotiations with the Haitian government problematic as it was difficult to rely on the government remaining in power long enough to realize their treaty obligations. They would only settle on stable leadership and succession with Jean-Pierre Boyer in 1818 a full 14 years after Haiti declared independence. However, despite Boyer's 25-year reign he was also deposed by a coup and exiled to France. Now, if we look to present day, we see that Haiti is still struggling with a crisis of legitimate government resulting in most leaders facing violent coups. Very few Haitian governments have enjoyed a normal transfer of power, and this precedent is vital to creating political norms. It seems that the political norm in Haiti right now is succession through force rather than law. It is going to take a great deal of effort to reverse a precedent of nearly two hundred years of dictatorship, political violence and coups in order for Haiti to enjoy the fruits of independence.

[@SamuraiPoohBear]

thank you this is quite an accurate summation

[@Anirandom1214]

Thank you for the extra context! As an american who honestly knew NONE of what was said into the video up until the baseline of 21st century... the education was very, very needed

[@josephbegniol2051]

The cleasing was against the french white people. This happened only during the independence war. Only the teacher's, priests ans doctors were not killed. Los mestizos where not killed, in fact they were the high society after the war. When you mention "light skin" you have to say the French people at that time. The slaves killed almost all of them. That's true. Imagine after being enslaved for 2 centuries and you have the option to do the same to your master. They had no other choice since they were treated like animals

[@gnomad3143]

thank you.

[@DeviousDumplin]

@@josephbegniol2051 I don't have any intention on getting in an argument about Haitian history in a KZbin comment thread. But, to clarify for others reading, the 1804 Haitian Massacres were carried out on the orders of the Government run by the military dictator Jean-Jacques Dessalines. This was not a spontaneous uprising of slaves against slave masters. The massacre was a systematic ethnic cleansing of both white french people and mixed-race people in Haiti. Mixed race people were targeted for the same reason that white residents were targeted as they were now considered aliens who were not sufficiently loyal to the regime. The massacres were effectively an attempt to solidify Dessalines power by eliminating the influential mixed-race population. The wikipedia article on the Massacres explains this all fairly well: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre

[@nicktroutt6584]

I live in Haiti. You have done a good job with this video, but I think you should look into how the control of a small number of families keeps Haiti in poverty. The corruption involving drug trafficking in the government is another reason Haiti is held back. And the cozy relationships between politicians and the gangs. Endless corruption!

[@JmKrokY]

Hmm

[@mentalhospital1701]

you have internet in haiti 😱

[@benjauron5873]

What's your proposed solution to the problems?

[@nightslasher9384]

Maybe the citizens shouldn’t be a cowards.

[@bbpersonalpage1613]

@@nightslasher9384 Cowards ? How ? They do fight back and the real criminals tells the whole world that they're BANDITS for fighting and sending in the UN to kill them for fighting back . It's not the citizens who are cowards . It's the ones sending in the UN to stop innocent people from living their damn life at peace . They refuse to leave people alone

[@joycewright5386]

My first trip to Haiti was on a medical mission after the earthquake in 2010. These people are very devoted to family and are very hardworking. I’ve returned several times since then on medical missions. I haven’t been able to return since covid and I worry about the people in these poor mountain villages with no medical care. What most of us realized after the earthquake was the useless waste of the United Nations and Red Cross. They seemed to do nothing for the people. Smaller local missions did a lot more for the people.

[@mrtruth1748]

Mishandling of donations should be criminal, but look at our taxes.

[@ryancoupland8425]

and the clinton foundation ransacking the country

[@mhairsto24]

Those famous, well-known organizations are usually worthless!

[@MrMensa141]

Haitians just 'love' the Clinton's. Just ask anyone of them what they think of the Clinton's.

[@joellee6142]

what happened to all the billions donated to hait after the earthquake?

[@aaronnichols9444]

Spent 5 months in Port Au Prince Haiti while in the Marine Corps after Aristead fled to Africa and the capital was taken over by chimères. The city of Port au Prince is poverty stricken, especially areas like Cité Soleil where most people live in shacks and food is scarce. We went to Jaqmel and the countryside was absolutely beautiful. Haiti will always hold a special place in my heart.

[@BsBsBock]

Almost no trees left😅

[@MADGUNSMONSTER]

That's the thing, I know Haitians who show me pictures of the REAL COUNTRY, which Mainstream Media never shows. They only show PaP, which is pretty much, a sh*thole, plagued by gangs, crime, poverty and all that revolve around that. My cousin also served there while in the Army, decades ago.

[@MsClinicalpsychologist-MsLovey]

@@BsBsBock It has been widely reported that in 1923 over 60% of Haiti's land was forested. The source of this assertion remains unknown but may be linked to the U.S. Marine Occupation in Haiti. In 2006, Haiti was claimed to have less than 2% forest cover. BECAUSE OF COLONIZATION AND OCCUPATION.

[@BsBsBock]

@@MsClinicalpsychologist-MsLovey france! The most like evil ever to befall this world

[@MsClinicalpsychologist-MsLovey]

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[@Tinil0]

Hérard Abraham was actually a really interesting guy, and his 3 day term as president was mostly there to function as a transition from military dictatorship to democracy. He was the only military leader to voluntarily give up power in Haiti to my knowledge. He only died this year, but had a long time serving in various positions in the Haitian government. I don't know a ton about Haitian history and politics, but as far as I can tell he is pretty universally respected. He wasn't linked with any major corruption and he was politically moderate, which is wonderful from a former military officer, a group that usually promotes far right or far left political thinkers. He also seemed to be one of the few Haitian governmental figures that had universal respect amongst foreign diplomats.

[@anna-gt2mu]

Earea😊

[@anna-gt2mu]

7a

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

Most everything is in the capital, that's why those who can avoid going there. Most are flying direct to North and fly over the capital to South. A lot of people are visiting the separate islands. There is money flowing "through" haiti but not into haiti. This lead to major brain drain as most all educated professionals have left. More are now learning tech and well... they'll eventually leave. The land is good, beautiful beaches for tourism and population believes in education... still if it's so hard just to live day to day (not good property rights, gas and theft) even if you want to do good you'll do all you can to leave. Sadly it's unfortunately complicated and haiti is not the only one going down this route

[@anon2427]

So what I’m gathering is that it’s a skill issue

[@kenos911]

My family was from cap haitien, then my mom moved to Canada and slowly but surely they all did (except for one that lives in Miami and extended family)

[@prst99]

Seems like a nation ripe to be conquered and plundered.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@prst99 It was already conquered and plundered. Repeatedly. That's part of the reason it's so bad to begin with.

[@gabrielc7861]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn alright let's do it again, maybe the eighth time will be the charm.

[@AM-el4iv]

Feel so horrible for the poor people of Haiti. I made some good Haitian friends in Florida while at work. They are some of the kindest, and friendliest folks I've met.

[@wors3ned]

hmmm......

[@Bravetreee]

I must have met a different set of Haitians in Texas.. I did not have the same experience.. AT ALL

[@wors3ned]

@@Bravetreee true most Haitian's are impatient and think everything is about talent

[@tonymacintosh3744]

Don't kid yourself. They'd stab you as soon as you turned your back.

[@bigusdikus3852]

@@wors3ned bless them and their nation.

[@p00bix]

Even well intended foreign intervention can backfire, but right now the Haitian government literally can't fight crime. Gangs have driven police out of large portions of Haiti's major cities, and the very idea of Haiti being a unified country rather than a Somalia-style anarchy is inreasingly becoming more of an on-paper theoretical rather than the de-facto reality. There is no simple, quick, or easy solution to Haiti's crisis, but realistically speaking there are only three paths forward: * A) The continued breakdown of Haitian society, with gang leaders turning into the pseudo-feudal warlords each ruling a small part of the country, where the closest thing to 'governance' is community leaders signing deals with gangs to pay 'protection money' in return for agreeing to leave the community alone and/or protect them from other gangs. * B) The rise of a totalitarian government which unifies the country through torturing, raping, and killing people until the survivors are cowed into obedience. Most likely this dictatorship would arise from street gangs becoming powerful enough and organized enough to enforce their leaders' will in a systematic manner; note that the group that blocked Puert-au-Prince from receiving fuel, FRG9, has already declared itself to be a 'revolutionary army' rather than a street gang. A military coup isn't completely unrealistic either. * C) A foreign intervention (preferably by the UN rather than any one country or alliance) with a mission to establish a new provisional government and (re)build government institutions from the ground up, and which is supported by Haiti's de-jure government. The only one which even a *slight* chance at improving the lives of Haitians is option C. Would an intervention work? Maybe. Maybe not. We've seen similar UN peacekeeping missions both succeed (ex. Rwanda and Guatemala) and fail (ex. Somalia and Mali) to restore peace and functional governance to unstable countries. Regardless of the perverse motives of 18th, 19th, and 20th century Haitian interventions, or the horrendous mismanagement of the post-2010 Earthquake intervention, foreign intervention (preferably a multilateral UN-led effort rather than a unilateral military effort) is ultimately still the path which is the most likely to end this crisis in the shortest possible time, as well as the most likely to establish a Haitian government capable and willing to serve its people.

[@AzureOwl]

You'r eright, it's much better to have the whites murder protesters in Haiti rather than the Haitians themselves.

[@pupysb6267]

My stepfather, a dermatologist, was part of a group of Puerto Rican doctors that went to Haiti to help after the large earthquake in Puerto Principe. The Haitians at the port wanted bribes in order for them to offload all the medical equipment and supplies they brought over from Puerto Rico. They left after a few days, as in order to provide free medical services to the needy population, they were constantly getting hustled and forced to pay bribes and protection money. With such a culture and attitude, it's no wonder Haiti only regresses into more poverty and despair every passing year. Compare that to Nicaragua or Honduras, where they have also gone to help after hurricanes, and they were well treated and respected. Usually villagers would offer them food or drinks, as gratitude for the free medical services they were providing to the empoverished local population. The Dominican Republic even donated and built a university in Haiti, and after a couple of years, it was closed down, vandalized and stripped of the building materials .

[@guerillawhite3083]

"well intended foreign intervention" lol

[@DroneStrike1776]

Same people Biden is letting in the country.

[@goofyviewer1855]

Why will a country help for free?

[@venderfeednews]

I'm from Haiti and I do not understand what is going on with my own people. Nothing seems to work.

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

You’re uneducated about ur country. Resign your citizenship u lack critical thinking

[@anthonymanderson7671]

It's mostly corrupt leaders who are nothing to bring prosperity.

[@venderfeednews]

@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 We always lying about the reality in Haiti this is what happened. We need to tell things the way they are.

[@Student0Toucher]

Im tired of you guys coming to Mexico and USA

[@lavidawithjoey]

@@Student0Toucher Please head down to Haiti if you're an American for a sneak peak why. Life in the DR looks like a dream from the other side of the border.

[@jakubb700]

Why did you skip the history of Haiti? The civil wars the Haitans fought between themself, the attack on what is today the Dominican Republic? The time the state was seperated into North and South Haiti? Also the Presidents, which crowned themself Kings or Emperors. It was King Henri Christophe who reinstated quasi-slavery, to build his famous fortress.

[@sebastianprimomija8375]

Because then you couldn't blame the DR.

[@elijahclaude3413]

Not gonna excuse that history. At the same time, it's important to recognize the reason there was such civil war is because of the foreign threats. Some people wanted to create a republic/democracy, but others thought that wouldn't be possible without foreign help. Others thought they should create their own empire and become an imperial power to be respected on the world stage, but that leaves it open for selfish leaders to take power. Overall, Haiti has gotten the worst deal on many ends both from within and without. Yet still the people persist. This is why there needs to be more awareness of history so people realize they need to govern themselves rather than depend on any one leader.

[@Mixcoatl]

Because people only care about history if they get so engage in mastabutory self-flagellation. Haitans are just powerless spectators without agency, don't you know?

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

It would be a long video but he did mention internal corruption

[@Funman555]

because he always loves to blame colonialism for EVERYTHING and ignores all the heinous stuff done by people he's sees as "victims"

[@T.Pauleus15]

This is so sad. My dad was born in Haiti and I’ve always wanted to visit but this is a reason why I probably never going to. Praying Haiti gets the help it needs 🙏

[@rev.esthertheodorenewlifer397]

I was born in the US and my parents were born in Haiti. I visited many times. I will never regret it. Its great to know the culture and the Country. Blessings

[@bootnazz1786]

If hatians immigrants in america would stay out of black american affairs,they could go fix this problem

[@bbpersonalpage1613]

@@bootnazz1786 It's not that easy . The UN is there to blow anyone away who dares try to fight them.. Haitians in the U.S will need to form their own military and go guard Haiti without proper Army the U.S will kill them . AND claim self defense. And could them TERRORISTS.

[@bbpersonalpage1613]

@@bootnazz1786 And YES the U.S is Part of the U.N in Haiti.

[@bbpersonalpage1613]

@@bootnazz1786 The people you should be saying to stay out of anyone's affairs is THE U.S. Haitians in the U.S in American affairs is not as damaging as the U.S and UN in Haitians affairs in HAITI

[@noblehazards9713]

Anyone else notice at 4:50 he said 75% but the graphic said 57%?

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

Cuz he’s a dvmba$$ and he’s lying all throughout this video

[@h.d.h]

Yeah, seems to be a typo in the narration or on the infographic. Numbers are flipped. No big deal. Obviously not malicious.

[@1.4142]

57% is closer, as in the 1780s, Saint-Domingue produced roughly 40 percent of the sugar and 60 percent of the coffee imported to Europe.

[@brixan...]

@@h.d.h I don't think they were implying malice, just... Which is the correct number?

[@CypherJj4457]

@@brixan... 57%

[@mvsv12]

I think that it's not farfetched to say that Haiti has fallen to anarchy. Widespread corruption among government workers and the fight for power between gangs shows that there is no one guiding the country right now. I think that Haiti is probably going to shift to a totalitarian government at some point to reach stability, unless some charismatic leader emerge from their population that can inspire leadership among them to get the country back on the track.

[@dumbidiot973]

@touraubord Half the population is starving and you want them to become socialist? Just be honest and say you want every Haitian to die in a famine.

[@dasbubba841]

@touraubord Leftism a solution? With all that corruption? Are you delusional?

[@wors3ned]

ok bro I live in Haiti but, I legitimately see that Haiti has problems and all but I dont know if it was the circumstances that my family was put in but I dont really see this super dark dark version of Haiti that their making out to be, I wont lie many times when I come home from school when were driving we have to hurry because some protestors are blocking the roads and ect and trust me those are terrifying, those are the times I wish I wasent here. Because of the severity of the situation, my schools have been on lockdown for approximately three months. Many times during the night, I hear gunshots. Because of the World Cup, whenever Argentina or Brazil score a goal or win, you will almost certainly hear a few rounds of bullets being fired into the air. It's definitely frightening, but I suppose you get used to it?

[@joriankell1983]

Sounds like nobody there knows what they're doing or even how to act

[@rwdyeriii]

Not Anarchy but tribalistic chaos. Anarchy at its Greek root means no political class not the chaos that so many think it is. A true anarchy is one where there are norms and rules of law, but no one in power has absolutely authority and all authority is term limited and as decentralized as possible so the local people have control. Haiti's issue is that it has tribalism like crazy based on the village or section of the cities one comes from. It's like every little village/neighborhood in Haiti is its own tribe. That means no village/neighborhood is really willing to cooperate with another.

[@ocadioan]

How was there so little focus on the period shown in the 2:52 graph? From 1970 to 1980, Haiti is basically on par with the rest of Latin America and the Carribean, but then it suddenly has a 12 year stagnation of no growth, followed by a 3 year recession that more than halved its GDP, and then a 10 year period of little to no growth. These events seems far more influential to the Haiti of today than some French debt that had been repaid 40 years prior to this 30 year period.

[@EliF-ge5bu]

People like the author of the video loves the story of the underdog, rather than the failings of such underdog.

[@zyxwut321]

Wrong, the author is explaining the systemic factors that created the conditions we see today. The roots of the constant instability that CREATED the conditions that enable the constant cycles of instability and stagnation are explained in the video.

[@PLATANITO829]

Like almost 99% of leftist western propaganda. Colonists are the excuse for all modern day failures, but funny enough it Borders with my country. 7th Largest economy in all of latin america and caribbean while haiti is nowhere near top 20.

[@tucoachemma]

The best video and explanations ever encounter about Haiti! Congratulations and THANK YOU!

[@GTM9164]

It would be really cool if you did a video on why forgein intervention works in some case (Rwanda) and doesn't in others (Haiti) you kinda touched on it at the end with taking about going around the government. But I'd love to hear more about it.

[@dunhillsupramk3]

just give everyone guns... someone would need to smuggle in a boat load of guns (which shouldn't be hard at all) and leave them on the streets where everyone can get them OR take a truck and throw a gun and box of ammo at everyone front door (sort of like how they used to deliver newspapers) the problem will solve itself in about 2weeks or less...

[@henrihopkins3844]

iirc foreign intervention didn't work in Rwanda. The UN was far too late and its response was far too weak to prevent genocide. Instead, it was the RPF reaching Kigali and winning the civil war that ended most of the bloodshed

[@JohnnyYK]

It doesn’t Rwanda didn’t get fixed by Europe or the UN. THE UN was ineffective at best Africa was fucked by colonialism stop thinking foreign intervention actually works when it’s that intervention that often causes problems

[@aaronhoy3410]

Yeah what @Henri Hopkins said is right. There was no part any foreign intervention that helped end the Rwandan genocide, it was entirely due to the RPF restarting their involvement in the civil war & then ultimately winning the war. Foreign countries, if they did anything, it was merely going in to extract their citizens & otherwise ensure their safety. I doubt you would be capable of finding a single instance of foreign intervention that was justified publicly for some sort of humanitarian reason where it managed to achieve that publicly expressed goal, or even any net benefit whatsoever for the people in the other country. The reason for this is what @William Singelstad said... country's have never actually intervened anywhere because they gave a f-ck about something happening to the people in that country. They aren't necessarily determined to not help improve things for the people there per say, it's just that it usually works out like that because what they do want is often incompatible with things that improve the situation for people. But, if it were ever possible for that improvement to occur without compromising the actual goal of the intervention I don't think they would try to prevent it from happening out of sadism or anything.

[@wrestlinganime4life288]

@@henrihopkins3844 if anything the only foreign intervention was by the Belgium whom instigate the conflict among tribes

[@WagesOfDestruction]

Actually, Haiti's debts were cancelled in 2010. It did not take them long to make new ones. there is a saying on the stock market that if the boss is a crook, nothing will fix the company.

[@avinashtyagi2]

As the video points out, the issue is the weak government

[@dunhillsupramk3]

@@avinashtyagi2 k... lets say that you're elected president of that country, what can you actually do?? EVERYONE in the gov't thats under you is corrupt and IF you try to get them arrested they'll have you killed by your own guards..

[@WagesOfDestruction]

Avinash Tyagi it's not weak, it's corrupt

[@avinashtyagi2]

@@WagesOfDestruction You talk as if it can't be both

[@WagesOfDestruction]

@@avinashtyagi2 Hati had a strong government at times eg Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier.

[@QUEXYYEN-kl3fr]

We’ve just moved out of Haiti and thank god it was now I can’t imagine my family being in this danger and others as well.

[@vladimireau8881]

Al benyen non engra

[@TomorrowWeLive]

You better not be in any white country boy

[@vladimireau8881]

@@TomorrowWeLive boy, I'm not in Europe.

[@Frenchfrys17]

@@TomorrowWeLiveNeck yourself Incel

[@tonychacon1479]

There's a place in Miami called little Haiti. Full of bums, addicts and criminals... It would be cool if people from Haiti wouldn't bring their baggage with them

[@stevejohnson3357]

Kind of a funny story: in 1897, my great grandfather bought a set of encyclopedias and almost a century later they ended up with me. They have been mostly out of date since 1905 except for ancient history and the article on Haiti. I guess this is why.

[@torreyance2468]

it doesnt matter if they have beautiful beaches. if their country is in constant turmoil. no one wants to go and get killed or robbed. im sure tons of people want to go to the middle east and tour but for the same reason. no one is going to risk getting kidnapped. hard pass on haiti or any Caribbean country. same reason no one has Detroit in their go see places.

[@clarenceghammjr1326]

Bingo

[@JasonTodd339]

Hard pass when the Caribbean is one of the world's most popular destinations? Haha

[@westbdeon]

From what I understand of this video this proves that every country needs a bureaucracy that meets some form of satisfactory level. Here in the United States we tend to think of bureaucrats as bad people. A lot of people do. But when you really think about it, departments, agencies and bureaus, Etc these things are the fingertips in which our government uses to interact with our society. Haiti lacks a strong bureaucratic core that is not corrupt hence is the reason why it struggles to give decent governance over its people.

[@westbdeon]

I guess the next logical question is to ask ourselves how can Haiti make a homegrown bureaucracy that is effective in giving service to its people? The government is literally depending on NGO's to do what any other normal country would simply have their own government agencies/ departments handle. Nonprofits should be there to support government efforts, not to replace them entirely

[@anon2427]

That reputation comes from HR departments

[@erickrobertson7089]

??? Papa Doc and Baby Doc were themselves responsible for upwards of 60,000 deaths. The mid to latter half of the century saw an exodus of the best and brightest Haitians. Bribery is an official sanctioned enterprise. There is literally a license you obtain to bribe foreigners with no repercussions from law enforcement. There is nobody competent left... They've left, been killed or are suffering in silence.

[@Tsuruchi_420]

a lack of bureocracy cannot be the begining of the problem though, is it even possible to solve it without looking at the root cause of haiti's problem?

[@arthas640]

Like with anything else there's good bureaucracy and bad bureaucracy. Good bureaucracy can be a pain in the butt but should lead to good record keeping, statistics, analysis, and production of reliable data/measurements. Bad bureaucracy leads to inefficiencies, red tape, corruption, and the like. Filling out forms can be a hassle but serves a purpose, but if you fill out forms no one uses or reads, or if you need to fill out the same forms over and over then that's bad bureaucracy.

[@PabloAntOyarzo]

Thank you for not mentioning the Dominican Republic once. Some governments are trying to paint a picture that we are responsible for Haiti's situation or we can be doing more, when in fact we do help a lot. Also, recently the US has critized DR because of deportations when it's obvious is hypocrisy on their part, plain and simple. We as Dominican we do help, but it's not our responsibility to "save" Haiti. I would like to see more hands-on efforts on part from countries actually responsible for Haiti's current situation.

[@arthas640]

That's an infuriatingly common trend. When a country or it's government fail the most common outcome is people blaming an outside power, usually someone they've fought a war with or a major power like the US or UK even if they had little to no involvement. Most of Haiti's problems have been internal with the main exception being their natural disasters. Before independence not only did they have a common problem with new world colonies, being fairly plantation based with a sizable number of slaves, but they also had a class problem with white and mulatto leaders as well as white, mulatto, and black slave masters which creates even further divisions within the country and makes their inequality even more internalized as it's not just a white vs black or French vs Haitian conflict but a Haitian on Haitian conflict as well. Add that to the fact that there were many French people who opposed slavery and Haitians that supported slavery and you've get yet more divisions and internal conflict and those are all massive problems _before_ independence. Even if the French made a clean and fair break and freed their colony and granted them all the assets in the colony the country would still have started off with massive problems. Add to that their economy being based almost entirely around plantations and mainly a single good (sugar) and you've got a recipe for disaster the minute anyone else starts producing more sugar or produces it more efficiently.

[@Christiangjf]

Yeah , lets ignore the long history of violence in the DR against Haitians. Let's also ignore the fact that the DR stripped of nationality thousands of ethnic Haitians.

[@arthas640]

​@Caesar Peguero There are over 1 million Haitian Americans compared to 800 thousand Haitians in the Dominican Republic. 45% of Haitians outside Haiti are in the US. From 2010-2018 there were 105k Haitians that arrived in the US according to the Haitian Times. The US is already embroiled in a migrant crisis since not only did Afghanistan recently collapse bringing Us allies in the country to flee to the US or EU, and not only were there already Arabs from the Syrian and other crisis, but the US has been dealing with record breaking numbers of migrants. In 2022 alone theres been 2.8 million illegal border crossings that the US knew about just on the Mexican border. That's over 1/4 of the Dominican Republic moving to the US each year, year after year. In 2018, before the most recent border crisis, there was an estimate 48 million foreign born people in the US and the low ball estimates of the number of illegal immigrants was another 15 million. Not all, but many of those people that came legal or illegally were fleeing war, economic hardship, and disasters. The Dominican Republic should logically have tons of Haitians living there since the border is relatively open and they share a small island, same reason why so many Mexican move to the US legally and illegally and also why Syrian refugees mostly ended up in other Arab nations and the rest flee to Europe: both are much closer and you could walk or drive there.

[@kevinstfort]

The deportation of Haitians from DR is not as simple as you make it.

[@arthas640]

@Caesar Peguero I dont know of anyone in the west is demanding that the Dominican Republic take in refugees from Haiti, that's up to the Dominican Republic who they let in and how many. I do think Europe and non-European nations should do more to take in refugees. The US has always been the main place refugees flee to but frankly we've been past capacity for a long time and the numbers keep rising exponentially. For a frame of refrence in the 2010-2016 there were around 300k border crossings per year, by 2018 it was up to around 400k and now we're up to almost 3 million. Other developed countries meanwhile barely take any refugees or immigrants in. Japan, South Korea, Sweden, Italy and others dont have nearly the same numbers of immigrants or refugees and they have the economic power to take them in. Honestly I think that in situations like Haiti it should be former colonizers who should offer help first and France hasnt done anything to help out Haiti, they just collected the debt from them for around 100 years and then ignored them after that. The US hurt Haiti but has also taken in 1 million refugees over the years, set up refugee camps, and given billions in aid (over $5bil just as part of the 2010 disaster in Haiti). France meanwhile sent less aid then Canada, about $34mil to Canadas $135mil, and has few immigrants/refugees, only around 62k which is also a fraction as many as Canada took in (165k Haitian Canadians).

[@CaptainValian]

Thank you, for putting this together. Very informative.

[@reidevanson181]

Conveniently skipped over the years of infighting in Haiti that they brought on themselves. Forgot to mention the time Haiti was separated into a North and South Haiti, forgot to mention when Haiti's own government reinstated semi-slavery. Forgot to mention when Haiti invaded the other country on the island, Dominican Republic. You can try to blame other countries but at the end of the day its Haiti themselves who are sealing their own fate.

[@dasbubba841]

Haiti had a rough start, but there are countries who have had it worse starting out. South Korea experienced a devastating three-year war that saw most of the country torched, leaving one of the poorest countries in the world. Paraguay fought a death war in the 1860s against Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay that left most of its male population dead. Heck, even Mexico had a lot of the same problems Haiti had (lack of recognition, brutal debt, constant rebellions and political infighting) but they aren't at the same level as Haiti.

[@LostPilgrim]

@@dasbubba841 How well you can rebuild your country is less about the bricks you have and more about the society who lays them. South Korea was a strong, unified society that could mobilize most of its population towards a common goal of prosperity, and with US backing it grew wealthy and prosperous. Mexico had a Revolution in the early 1900s that gave it a chance to soft reset its society, and it came out of it on stronger social footing which has let it reach a higher level of development. Haiti was borne of soldier slaves who genocided the elite and then had no base of expertise or social cohesion to let them construct a prosperous society, and they were crammed on an overpopulated sliver of tropics whose soil had long been stripped of nutrients to boot. Latin America as a whole has a dreadful problem of a minority landowning aristocracy using their societies to live like lords at the expense of the mestizo/black/indigenous majority, but in their case at least there is a national base in the Mestizo and some level of skilled and specialized labor in the aristocracy. Haiti, to my knowledge, does not and has never had that, and it meant that Haiti was born a society of uneducated slaves who had no idea about how to do anything aside from either being a slave or being a master. They had none of the social cohesion that saved the Asian Tigers and none of the elite leadership skills and know-how that made Latin America slightly less dysfunctional. Societies live as they're born and continue to do so until they are either wiped out or a crisis truly shakes them to their foundations and forces them to restructure. Haiti probably is either going to dissolve into a subjugated population that will have to integrate as a minority population in various countries, or will see things get so bad that something gives and Haitians develop a unity and coordinative ability that will let them start to build a functional society. Either way, it probably isn't going to happen for several decades, and it will surely get worse before it gets better.

[@sportsfantv1633]

Not if big brother is there to squeeze you

[@kendrick10601]

Haiti did not invade the Dominican Republic; beside that it's not much more different then the US wars with Mexico for more lands.

[@LostPilgrim]

@@kendrick10601 Haiti occupied the colony of Santo Domingo for two decades right after it gained independence. The Dominican Republic fought an independence war to kick the Haitians out, and Haiti then launched an unsuccessful invasion to reconquer it. A failed invasion is still an invasion, even if it's to reclaim territory you once held. The Mexican American War was a successful invasion, and it was when the US invaded Mexico to gain land they never held and push their borders to the Pacific. It was not a total conquest (the US didn't annex all of Mexico) but instead a conquest of sparsely populated frontier land, and oftentimes the states the US annexed hated Mexico City anyways and didn't have much of a problem with becoming US states.

[@nicolesamuels4679]

I have so much respect for Haiti! They have their bad parts but they also have beautiful parts as well that are strategically hidden to paint a narrative from the people they defeated. Much love to Haiti!!! 🇭🇹

[@timogul]

TL;DR, "Haiti has never been capable of fixing their own problems, but also can't be fixed by outsiders."

[@joriankell1983]

Sounds legit

[@timogul]

@@jessh4016 In what way is anyone's "foot on their head?" The US has been pouring resources into the country as best we can. The only interference we've made has been when anti-American forces took over, which would not be in anyone's interest.

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

@@timogul he's right No amount of foreign aid can fix this nation That's why we have to send in the big one, military occupation

[@cooltwittertag]

​@@timogulit wouldnt be in the american interest, yes

[@ForeignManinaForeignLand]

As a Caribbean Nebula mate, I am very pleased that this is the best audit of Haiti’s infelicitous misfortune that I’ve seen (yes, even from some of our other colleagues). I’m late but I am very impressed.

[@In_Our_Timeline]

"The most important thing I want people to know about Haiti is the fact that we have some of the most beautiful beaches in the world, and there is such an opportunity for this to be such a destination. It is not a country that is just turmoil" --Jason Derulo

[@timberwolfe1645]

It I when there are a million people crowded there

[@jadapinkett1656]

JD is an absolute narcissist. I would take anything he says with a grain of salt.

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

Does he still live there?...

[@ligmafigma9631]

I wonder why Derulo left Haiti to live in America if it's got such nice beaches?

[@websterwing8225]

@@ligmafigma9631 Maybe it was the turmoil??? Can you read?

[@Xerxesjc28]

If you guys are interested in an indept history podcast about Haiti's Revolution, I cannot recommend enough Mike Duncans Revolutions Podcast. I believe it is his 4th part segment where he goes through Haiti's revolution. The only successful slave revolut in human history. The type of slavery that existed in Haiti was not just bad, it was one of the worst if not the worst form of slavery anywhere else on Earth at the time. The average lifespan for a enslaved person was about 30ish years, hence why the French kept having to bring in more slaves, so I cannot really blame them for wanting to take vengence on the people who literally were commiting such acts of violence on them. After that, they had to struggle agaisn't a near 100 year enbargo/debt as talked about in this video.

[@prettypic444]

Also, Extra History here on youtube has a great series on the Haitian Revolution

[@nsk370]

It was really bad slavery, however 30 years was pretty much the average lifespan at that time for most societies. Before industralisation the average life expectancy at birth around the world was about 30 years give or take

[@robertw1800]

When your population does War crimes and Genocide against a global power. Then expect to be treated like shit. The Haitians weren't very smart. Considering how their country is ran. They're still not very smart.

[@DarkSygil666]

Mike Duncan did a great series on Rome,too. kzbin.info/aero/PLmhKTejvqnoOrQOcTY-pxN00BOZTGSWc3

[@stephenmorris8557]

I guess it helped a lot that the French government hated rich people and so came over to Haiti, before the slave revolt, and guillotined about half the slave owners !

[@nishantverma9169]

"What's the root of this instability, sponsored by curiosity stream and nebula."

[@Jomonoupapjanmbliyew]

This is a great watch,very insightful and unbiased .

[@Т1000-м1и]

As an Eastern European, there was a joke about the country's name sounding funny in an old Soviet cartoon. That same cartoon included a parrot smoking and trying to hang himself. This is taken as satire gold on the indecisive confused youth that just can't straighten up and get it together. For 4 year olds. The inclusion is very fitting.

[@kinglogic1729]

which story?

[@tetraxis3011]

Soviet cartoons were very lenient with the themes shown.

[@benbauer1509]

I’ve been there twice I was 14 and the second time I was 17 a very-sobering experience to see poverty of that scale

[@rev.esthertheodorenewlifer397]

We can truly count our blessings After.

[@hissukka6619]

why'd you go there

[@mattg8116]

Whenever I hear "gangs" or "terrorists" active in nation known for awful corrupt leadership, I have to take a minute to think about who i'm rooting for.

[@azanocegrog748]

Don’t root for either. Both groups are criminals. Root for justice

[@UnknownOps]

5:40 There's something ironic about this, white colors in a flag usually represents hope, in our flag at least so to see Haiti remove it feels like a foreshadowing event that gave us the heads up for it's downfall.

[@wintyforever]

The Dominican flag has a white cross down the middle and it's the only flag in the world that contains a bible. Dominicans believe that's why their country is blessed compared to all their neighbors, including Haiti.

[@michaeltaffin1176]

As someone from that area i can say the Haiti is a complicated topic in terms of trying to fix it and seeing as the people in haiti pretty much have lost the will to even try to fix the country

[@asianconnection7701]

Why can't the government fight the gang?

[@syasyaishavingfun]

@@asianconnection7701 no money

[@asianconnection7701]

@@syasyaishavingfun U don't need money to fight thugs all U need is unity and the will to live.

[@matthewwysong644]

@@asianconnection7701 Their gangs not only have unity and the will to live, but also the will to kill. And rape. And torture. The will to coerce normal citizens into getting their kids into the gang, or they make the dead baby jokes real. Live in eternal poverty just to say you have more than your weak neighbors. There isn't an internal solution to these sorts of gangs.

[@Dviostl]

@@syasyaishavingfunthe have the money they steal it instead and finance the same gang that they fight when they want power

[@XOPOIIIO]

It's basically an African country in the Caribbean.

[@theoriginaljean3917]

That’s messed up 😆😆😆

[@alexanderdelacruz3162]

As a Dominican I ask you to have more respect with Africans, they do not deserve to be compared to the disaster that is Haiti.

[@kmann100500]

Not just Africans, but Africans descended from the bottom percentile of Africans (those who get enslaved by other Africans).

[@sus5976]

@@theoriginaljean3917 but true

[@signin9778]

@@theoriginaljean3917 What African country mostly black is doing well? Same old story different places… Haiti will thrive when Black people thrive

[@mattcollins4550]

You should have talked about the Clinton Foundation and their misdirection of funds to Haiti

[@yutakago1736]

The reason why is Haiti don't have a good government. Good government requires most of all leaders who put the public good unquestionably above their own personal interests. Successful societies guarantee strict equality of opportunity for all individuals, but are realistic about the fact that this will yield substantial inequalities in outcomes. Most countries needed was more "discipline," rather than democracy. Various governments have been dislodged for poor governance and corruption.

[@Noukz37]

I didn't expect you to cover this sensitive topic so thoroughly and objectively. Honestly, I respect you more after this!

[@nicholascoker7212]

Wasn't the Haitian revolution an amalgamation of two revolutions, the free people revolting against France and the Haitian slaves revolting against the free Haitian slave owners? I could be wrong but I thing Toussaint louvreture was initially brought in to negotiate peace between the slaves and the free people so they could focus on fighting France. Could be entirely mistaken tho

[@anon2427]

It was an organized and systematic ethnic cleansing of Europeans not a slave revolt. Many of them were not slave owners

[@p00bix]

​@@anon2427 What are you about? In 1791, a bunch of slaves rose up, and by 1797 former slaves controlled all of Haiti. The French invaded in 1802, which caused the government to collapse, but which ultimately still failed to secure the island. This power vacuum enabled the rise of a dictator, who then ordered the genocide of the Island's White population. Edit: nvm you have another comment under this video saying that there's a grand conspiracy to eliminate white people in america. No wonder your understanding of Haitian history is so warped.

[@anon2427]

@@p00bix where did I state there was a grand conspiracy? Wealthy corporations pay both NGO’s and politicians to push immigration rhetoric/laws to increase their workforce that they can pay cents on the dollar. Nothing about that is a conspiracy. Maybe you should do some research on this topic.

[@kenos911]

@Anon well we didn’t kill the polish though

[@arspsychologia4401]

1804 Haitian massacre. You are entirely mistaken that the idea was to negotiate peace, otherwise that would not have happened.

[@munnakhan8961]

3:00 'geography plays important role' - Bangladesh hold my average 6% gdp growth in last one decade

[@James-vj5hz]

Haiti's problem is Haitians

[@arturocevallossoto5203]

You could argue that Bangladesh has the BEST geography in the world for long term human settlement. That's why Bangladesh's population is huge. Everything grows there.

[@ameliaarrows2790]

Great video! Perfectly executed coming from a Haitian in the dispora myself

[@franknice2308]

I have been to Haiti 24 times on medical missions that I started 25 years ago. I now also support a K-13 school and orphanage in Leon, Haiti. I have never seen Haiti this bad, It is now a failed nation state run by gangs. As with the Haitians, I will never give up.

[@anthonykelly1368]

“If you put three Greeks in a room, you’ll end up with five governments.”

[@Professor_Pat]

Great documentary but I stand to correct the French payment amount in today’s dollars as over 21 billion dollars and not 500 million mentions in this video. But thank you for telling our story in a way only you can do so delicately and thoughtfully put together.

[@AdamBechtol]

That's kinda huge. As a few million could be like a cakewalk for some. They could just go on Shark tank to pay it off. If it were a few mill.

[@Brandonthrives]

I've been looking for this. Thank you my friend!

[@alexanderphilip1809]

5:48 Leclerc. Haitians never faced Napoleon in battle it was his brother in-law that led the troops. Also it was more of a Vietnam war than a Korean one. French were bogged down by tropical diseases endemic to the climate. The fate of the French who went into Haiti was similar to other Europeans who went into tropical regions. British in Nigeria, Dutch in Indonesia, Americans in Vietnam. Plus Haiti is part of an Island. Islands are always a bitch to invade (Ask the British, Cubans or the Japanese).

[@kyperactive]

The funny Monogase? Aint no wayyy 💀

[@alexskatit4188]

And your point is???? France was defeated.

[@mixtapemania6769]

​@@alexskatit4188 ^ Yep, and it wasnt the last time. Vietnam would replicate Haiti's example and go on to defeat the french over a century later.

[@alexskatit4188]

@@mixtapemania6769 Exactly.

[@micaiah_smbdy]

I’d love to see a video on other Caribbean countries like Jamaica and Cuba

[@MS-uu8xg]

Weird how it’s always certain countries that have gang problems. Other side of the same island, different people, much different state of living

[@TempestTheBlaze]

DR has a gang problem too and they're constantly trying to leave DR. That's why they have such a big population in the US. Don't just shoot wild guesses about subjects you don't have a fucking inkling of a clue about.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

It's like you didn't even watch the video, just decided to show how racist you are

[@alexanderdelacruz3162]

@@TempestTheBlaze There are no gang problems in the DR, curiously the Dominican communities abroad do have gang problems but on the island this does not exist.

[@mariotheundying]

Also different culture, language, religion, which is a big reason of why the island is divided, we are 2 totally different countries that have to be divided, but live in the same island

[@correctionguy7632]

@@mariotheundying Both of those countries are catholic.

[@Christoph-sd3zi]

I think we all know why Haiti is in a constant state of emergency.

[@wors3ned]

ok bro I live in Haiti but, I legitimately see that Haiti has problems and all but I dont know if it was the circumstances that my family was put in but I dont really see this super dark dark version of Haiti that their making out to be, I wont lie many times when I come home from school when were driving we have to hurry because some protestors are blocking the roads and ect and trust me those are terrifying, those are the times I wish I wasent here. Because of the severity of the situation, my schools have been on lockdown for approximately three months. Many times during the night, I hear gunshots. Because of the World Cup, whenever Argentina or Brazil score a goal or win, you will almost certainly hear a few rounds of bullets being fired into the air. It's definitely frightening, but I suppose you get used to it?

[@joriankell1983]

@@wors3ned that sounds so uncivilized

[@wors3ned]

@@joriankell1983 i geuss...

[@blueswadeshoes4012]

It’s the classic case of the inmates ruling the asylum

[@mixtapemania6769]

You have the name of the first Haitian monarch.

[@roboter5123]

There seems to be an error at 4:45. You are saying haiti is the source of 75% of sugar but on screen it says 57%

[@ajchamber]

Lol

[@nathanlevesque7812]

Yeah BUT what about the Dominican Republic? You know the other side of the island that also fought for independence...from basically everyone including Haiti. I am so confused why it's not even a footnote in Haiti discussions.

[@alexskatit4188]

Because the Haitian revolution was a world event that disrupted a whole system. DR's little battles only affected DR. In addition, DR was not shunned and isolated and forced to pay reparations.

[@jonathansibrian695]

@@alexskatit4188 they shouldnt had masacred all the white people and farmers then

[@kashawashatvop203]

@@alexskatit4188Haiti invade us to pay their debts and make the first Haiti impire and the enslave my people for 22 years everything happening to Haiti is on their on own because of their corruption

[@alexskatit4188]

@@kashawashatvop203 Yes, Haitians are responsible for their own situation. This video however is about Haiti and Haitian history, Haiti's little dominican excursion is of no importance. Keep dominican issues out of it.

[@alexskatit4188]

@@jonathansibrian695 And the whites should not have enslaved millions of blacks and kill hundreds of thousands of blacks. What is done is done.

[@randyg22152]

This documentary in this video blames all of Haiti’s problems on external forces: namely predominately white Eurocentric nations like France and the U.S. (white people, everything is your fault, so hate yourselves). One glaring hole in the theory put forth by this video is that the Dominican Republic shares the other half of the same island of Hispaniola in the Caribbean, shares the same foreign neighbors and has a similar colonial history, and yet the D.R. seems to be doing so much better politically and economically than its next door neighbor. Notice that any discussion of the relative prosperity and stability of the Dominican Republic, and why this might be, was omitted from the analysis of the history of the island in this documentary. Why is that? It would seem to be highly relevant to the subject being discussed.

[@davidmthekidd]

Of course, its easier to blame the invisible ghost than take accountably.

[@ottoandersson2216]

Shhhhh, wippipo bad

[@davidmthekidd]

@@ottoandersson2216 🤣

[@4minute60]

Dominicans are mostly whtes so of course westerners won't hate their guts and stop their progress. Are you gonna act like whte westerners haven't gone around the world and instigated instability in most Black countries? You're not that na-ive, are you? And the fact that the U-S keep butting in problems and puppet mastering Haiti and its government for their own outcome. Now they fund and supply gangs hiding in the dark as puppet masters. They hired the ass-assi-nation of that man too.

[@davidmthekidd]

@@4minute60 All about the invisible threat!! Haiti will surely progress with this mind set.

[@rand49er]

What a mess! Our church has sent people to Haiti after the earthquake of 2010. Yes, it was like a drop in an ocean. When a gang kidnapped members of a church a few years ago and held them for ransom, many other churches held off on sending their members to help rebuild the country. Thank you for this video in providing some background and history that I didn't know before.

[@TheEnVious17]

Haiti makes Jamaica look like 1st world country

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

It really doesn’t considering the fact that Jamaica is more dangerous

[@budisoemantri2303]

@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 in what universe that jamaica is more dangerous than haiti?

[@TheEnVious17]

@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 lmao yea right, if that was the case Haiti would have just as big tourist attraction as Jamaica. If you are going to reply use fact instead of opinion. There is a country safety index you can look at for actual stats

[@saisaiverba7658]

Not true… Plenty of rich parts in Haiti

[@iceman4660]

​@@budisoemantri2303 Both can be true. Jamaica is more dangerous in the sense that its murder rate for the population is rivaled only by countries at war. At this moment they are under a State of Emergency to tackle rampant crime. Tourists on the main are in All Inclusive resorts and never see the real country.

[@Friedfish-zm7fx]

PolyMatter's analysis of Haiti's current problems are so cliche. It repeats past, irrelevant, marxist analysis by previous KZbin videos. I agree with a commentator who wrote "Love how you skipped 80 years of history to modern day. Really convincing." First a few words about the American Occupation. Some may claim that the American Occupation (1915-1934) was bad. Nope. During that time, all but 2 currently existing bridges were built; the Peligre Dam (source of 1/2 of the electricity) was started; Port-au-Prince was the first city in Carribean/Latin America to have an automatic dialing phone system; General Hospital of Port-au-Prince was built; 1000 miles of roads were built; the first and still main Agricultural College was established in Damiens; etc.. Yes there was an armed resistance but it was pitifully weak. Yes, Haiti's gold is still in Fort Knox; the country can always take it back (and put it where? securely?). Back in 1915, the US government thought they needed $200,000 to bribe each Haitian Senator; turns out that $2,000 was enough. When the Americans left in 1934, Haiti was not a bad place; of course, it soon started to slide down. In 1950, Haiti was 36% richer (per capita) than South Korea, in 1998 South Korea was 16 times richer (per capita) than Haiti. The S.Korea-Haiti gap has been growing since. Per capita GDP was nearly twice as high in Haiti as in Bangladesh (aka East Pakistan) back in 1950--but by 2001, per capita output was higher in Bangladesh than in Haiti (by about 15 percent). The Bangladesh-Haiti gap has been growing since. In 1950 the Haitian economy was more or less at the same level as the economy of the Dominican Republic. CY2009 per capita income, of Haiti = $1,340; of Dominican Republic = $8,700. The D.R.-Haiti gap has been growing since. No mention about the Clinton-era intervention in Haiti. Why? Is PolyMatter being lazy?

[@Frommerman]

The Marxist analysis correctly predicts this outcome. Centuries of resources and labor were stolen from Haitians, so now they lack all the social and physical capital they could have built for themselves with those resources. Furthermore, all attempts at reversing this situation by Hatians were met with military interventions on the part of foreign capitalists who profited from the status quo. This is exactly what Marx predicted.

[@daivdsmith3746]

@@Frommerman Neither capitalism nor Marxism is perfect but at the end of the day, capitalism has done way more good in the world than Marxism by a long shot.

[@romaliop]

@@Frommerman Anyone can "correctly predict" the outcome after the fact. Getting robbed in history is not a reason to not develop today. Even if foreign countries give free capital and resources to Haiti as some sort of reparations scheme, that will only create dependency and may even be detrimental to their growth in the long run. This is the Marxist way, that still to this date has produced exactly zero examples of success anywhere it has been tried. The capitalist way of accumulating capital from the fruits of your own labor on the contrary has been very successful in numerous countries that luckily managed to avoid falling into this dark and bottomless pit of an ideology called Marxism.

[@makasaro]

@@daivdsmith3746 just because the capitalist superpower like the US refused to let any other form of government grow naturally.

[@tetraxis3011]

Stop trying to justify american imperialism. They are at fault for stealing Haiti's money and illegitimizing the Goverment.

[@thoughtcriminal-k5l]

Agreed! Not one more penny of oppression should be sent to Haiti.

[@donnacaesar-roberts9472]

No one is talking about the Spritual aspect of this. Some not all deal with the Devil such as Voodoo. How the Lord will bless this country when they are dabbling with the Devil.?

[@floydsemlow8253]

Absolutely positively with you on this, the money doesn't get in the right hands for a change to happen anyway you might as well be just funding a militia

[@baggedtuned8569]

@@floydsemlow8253 BC their govt and the gangs are one in the same. its just a massive extortion operation. It goes round and round never ends.

[@floydsemlow8253]

@@baggedtuned8569 oh yeah I agree completely!!🤘

[@manofcultura]

Ironically this is true. The aid to Haiti much like aid to Africa, distorts the economy to the point that real businesses cannot survive, only those who are cronies of whoever holds the aid. Also the Cli- Hold on, knock at door BRB.

[@dontmatter615]

I really enjoy falling asleep to your videos! Great work!!

[@lolacarve3772]

very nice documentary about Haiti. I believe that France should return this money to Haiti because it has totally ill-gotten gains on pretexts that make no sense. Ill-gotten money will never do anyone any good. In the contrary, Haiti should summon France and demands monetary reparations for all these years of exploitation and oppression it has suffered. Thank you for this wonderful documentary.

[@exploringtheplanetsn]

If you can’t get it right after two hundred years you have a social problem. Many countries have gone through horrible things, yet are doing good.

[@alexskatit4188]

Definitely a social problem. Haiti should have aligned itself with China long time ago.

[@nunyabiznes33]

Not even the former European possessions in Southeast Asia got this bad.

[@hanselsihotang]

@@nunyabiznes33 Southeast Asia Colonies tend to have a pre-existing societal and governmental structure prior to the arrival of European. Vietnam, Cambodian, Burmese, Malays, Javanese etc all had some proper form of it one way or another. Proper societal class (including educated class of people) and culture lends to relative stability in which the country can start to be led, nurtured and proper. Haiti was literally formed by an amalgamation of enslaved people, no know-how on how to steer a nation and how to behave in structured society manner other than being a slave-master society, not to mention they killed/expelled their own educated class (the slavemasters and mixed people). this video really undermines the societal problem.

[@castonyoung7514]

"Just 1% of humanitarian aid and 23% of recovery funds between 2010 and '11 were directed to the government. Instead, nearly every last penny went, as it always does in Haiti, to Non-Gazetted Officers, the Nagoya-Komaki Airport in Japan, various National Gas Outlets, and The Cranberries' smash hit 'Never Grow Old'." - PolyMatter 2022

[@michelnormandin8068]

«Repeating same behaviors wishing different results» should become the national motto. But, once out of there, many are thriving in many countries.

[@GarciaDorelion]

As a Haitian, I can confirm. It's true

[@tryknight1426]

Just visited haiti with the USCG. It was quite the experience...

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

No one asked u to go. Go to crack cities in the usa. Ppl r overdosing everyday.

[@tryknight1426]

@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 nah we didn't interfere, only conducted interviews

[@tryknight1426]

@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 nah we didy interfere, only conducted interviews

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

@@tryknight1426 ok but why go to Haiti in the first place? I swear y’all just some professional haters

[@tryknight1426]

@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 lol okay

[@dapperdaniel4050]

Hard to believe that a nation once fought against the French and won is now reduced to another poverty stricken country

[@sebastianprimomija8375]

Yeah that was the problem.

[@elijahclaude3413]

Unfortunately it's easy to believe when you realize that Haiti hasn't had a break for hundreds of years. As soon as they won their freedom, they were forced to pay reparations Back to France for beating them!! All the big countries at the time ganged up on Haiti to force them to pay those reparations too. Then the US went plundered many of the natural resources. And the CIA has assassinated prominent leaders multiple times whenever they started getting some stability. Now you have China coming in offering predatory loans and such. It's all around a tragedy.

[@imblack011]

they didnt win. look at them now. their "victory" is the reason they are where they are now. the french LET them have independence but forced them to pay a massive debt over the next 70 years. to me that's not a win, that's a loss. had the haitians refused to pay france wouldve sent in the big guns and crushed the uprising a few days after the support wouldve arrived.

[@jensjensen9035]

They may have won the war but who had the last laugh?

[@ligmafigma9631]

That's the issue. They were better off under French rule.

[@rev.esthertheodorenewlifer397]

Wow. This is Great. Thanks for Showing the World. Haiti's challenges. Blessings

[@pontythython1901]

If I lived on Haiti I would swim off of it or die trying. Seriously this place is a real dystopian hell scape. Its like they’re playing sim city on apocalypse mode. If you’re a preper waiting for the world to end, go there.

[@joriankell1983]

You just hate diversity and culture

[@3rdworldgarage450]

Just remember, no matter how bad your life gets, it could always be worse: You could live in Hati. Unless, of course you are Hatian then your life can't get any worse.

[@MyFancySauce]

At least they don’t live in Somalia

[@evankurniawan1311]

Brazil might want to have a chat with you

[@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit]

​@@evankurniawan1311 fr, we somehow just elected a literal criminal, a guy that was complacent with one of the biggest corruption scandals in history (if not the biggest), and the only alternative was a stupid prick that seemingly looks at science and data and says "that's not real", which _may_ have cost at least a couple thousands of lives in the pandemic. I still think that the second option was slightly less awful, but only by like a hair's width, mostly just because of the catastrophic potential I see in the other guy (Lula) and his friends.

[@Mecduhall91]

When you’re an American that lives in Haiti

[@prst99]

Exactly! It can always be worse.

[@kennethlanders2579]

Let's get real now. Haiti is not an island unto itself. It shares the island of Hispaniola with a prosperous, progressive nation right next door to it - the Dominican Republic. Yes, their respective histories differ, but what is still hindering Haiti from embracing peace, security, development and prosperity as their neighbour finally has? Maybe this will help us to understand some of the reasons ( 1-3 ) behind this apparent anomaly. Firstly, the majority of the slaves brought into Haiti in the 17th and 18th centuries came from West Africa. The post independent political history of these West African countries has been one of turmoil, chaos, fear, war, coups, etc. and all the negatives that come from such a situation- same as in Haiti from 1804 onwards. Now while I don't want to appear to demean Haiti's historic war of independence, isn't it passing strange that a ragtag band of ex slaves, runaway slaves, negre mawons and the like, was able to take on the military might of France - a world power at the time under the stewardship of one of the greatest Generals of all time, Napoleon, - and win! Napoleon didn't trust just anyone with that Haiti mission, only his half brother Le Clerc. And France still lost to the indigenous and much inferior local army. Did the local army have help of a supernatural nature? A help that was summoned through the sacrificial spilling of human blood, the knowledge of which was brought over from West Africa by their forebears? Mortgaging the future lives of Haitians as a result through the spilling of blood? Such help is still being sought after today in Haiti in 2022, albeit with the same result- the spillage of human blood. My Haitian brothers and sisters, if all these animal and human sacrifices are only bringing all types of strife and sorrow and chaos and warfare into your lives, then maybe, just maybe, its time to let these practices go and try something new. Don't knuckle down even more, doing more and more of these blood sacrifices in hopes of a better life. Can't you see its not working for you? Then stop doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. That is the reason for the madness that your lives have become- you are not changing and you are not adapting. The DR changed, and look at them today - having to build a border fence now to keep Haitians out. Lets move now from the historical to a psychological perspective. If the post independent era in post colonial Africa, especially West Africa, has taught us anything, it is the following. That secondly, political men of African descent appear for the most part, not to be psychologically equipped to handle power. There is something in us, a defensiveness borne of an inferiority complex maybe, a hunger, a resentment that causes the vast majority of black politicians who taste power, to go 'crazy', to be corrupt, acquisitive and greedy, self aggrandizing, dictatorial, violent and prepared to do anything to stay in power, all at the expense of the populace. Henri Christophe proclaimed himself king in no time and built himself a massive palace at Sans Souci, Haiti, just like Jean Bedel Bokassa of the Central African Republic would later do by crowning himself emperor. And the poor Haitian populace at the time of Christophe's coronation suffering, especially with the reparations that had to be paid to France and all. Former Haitian presidents, and present day gang leaders now setting themselves up as area kings keen on expansion, all end up with the general populace suffering. But what do they care? That is why the Western- powers- that-be, should allow some 5-10 years to pass, before calling for elections in Haiti, all the while assisting the country in the building and strengthening of its democratic institutions. Haiti's would be leaders aren't ready yet and neither is the Haitian electorate. Puppet governments under a Haitian guy that America likes, have never been sustainable. Thirdly, the history of my black race is rife with examples of blacks subjugating other blacks. The enslavement of blacks by blacks in Africa, right up to the present in Mauritania comes to mind. No other race appears to 'down-press' its other members as we do. To take advantage of one another as we black people are wont to do. Remember Papa and Baby Doc among others? Unity does not appear to be one of our strong points for the most part. And the above therefore are three root cause reasons, why Haiti is in a constant state of turmoil.

[@MasterGhostf]

Eh, I Would argue against no race has done that. Oppression comes in many forms. Romans executed around 25% of an entire culture group and enslaved the half of the rest. Poles were treated like shit. I think at the end of the day, trade is a big deal. Sub Saharan Africa kind of sucks for trade from a pre-Columbian perspective. Its far away from the major economic, and political forces of the world. Such as Persia, central Europe, India, and China.

[@spectrespartan8140]

Donald Trumps America would be the same under his evil demonic clutches

[@matthewegan5281]

Wow, incredible. Race is clearly the thing holding back Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, and all other black majority nations in the Carribean. FOR SURE.

[@mixtapemania6769]

@@matthewegan5281 And both of those countries are doing better economically than many non-black countries.

[@flexx7543]

@@matthewegan5281 These nations that you are mentioning whose populations are mostly black, are moving along just fine by most key indicators and shed colonialism in effective ways. While Jamaica is not nearly as rich as Trinidad and Tobago, both have functioning governments which Haiti sorely lacks and which the result of its own issues as a nation.

[@JasonWatson-ox5gu]

very informative, thank you

[@georgeramirez3120]

Love your videos!

[@jaredspencer3304]

"Haiti's main problem was lack of diplomatic recognition." ... "This diplomatic recognition from the US would be a curse rather than a blessing." "America bought the Haitian National Bank." ... "American forces landed and stole gold from the Haitian National Bank." What?

[@Strafprozessordnung]

Yes? What do you not understand about this

[@4minute60]

Truth, Citibank did. Came in with the marines and dragged out gold and currency. That wealth funded Citibank who was near collapse then.

[@DiakosDelvin]

They bought the bank company, and then stole all the money the citizens and government had in it. Banks don't own the money in them.

[@alventuradelacruz522]

USA is responsible in big part of Haiti modern condition

[@tetraxis3011]

What about this is so hard to understand. Haiti needed GOOD diplomatic relations. America did not provide those. The gold in the Bank belonged to the haitian goverment.

[@joniesraphael2477]

Thank you for this video 🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹

[@GarciaDorelion]

So you're proud of this video ? Why are you ? As a Haitian myself, I always take.my time to read the comments on Haiti videos. And... it always sadden me the way our country is seen abroad.

[@joniesraphael2477]

@@GarciaDorelion this video explain the situation that is going on in Haiti for decades do United States and other ally countries have put Haiti that is right now . I strongly believe Haiti needs a new government to more better & end all ties with USA

[@GarciaDorelion]

@@joniesraphael2477 so Haitians are not responsible at all ?

[@gigacanno750]

Fun Fact about that Hatian Revolution, thanks to what I learned from Country Balls. France asked Poland to send some troops to deal with "Prison Riots". Once there, the Poles, not exactly the nicest to any form of slavery, helped the Hatian people, and the Hatians recognized the Polish Soldiers and their families as honorary citizens.

[@bodyloverz30]

How did you fail to mention the era of prosperity, which was the Papa Doc & Baby Doc era?

[@joriankell1983]

Every video on Haiti blames everything in the world except the Hatians

[@sportsfantv1633]

@@joriankell1983 I got you point, understand this being the first black republic come with a cost.

[@blueswadeshoes4012]

4th world country in 2022 , that sounds like a choice to me.

[@sportsfantv1633]

@@blueswadeshoes4012 does poverty in America is a choice also?

[@blueswadeshoes4012]

@sportsfantv1633 , how’s that Wi-Fi that you’re using and clean drinking water treating you? Made in America friend. You’re welcome.

[@yaboidspdadon5838]

People who don’t want ends up like this lol I got smart Haitian who wanted a better life and they are doing pretty damn good over here for the last 15 years partna making his fam proud ain’t no competition but he done surpassed me in certain aspects

[@johanerosiers7671]

You see right but what you don't know is that the same smart Haitian that is doing good out of Haiti would not go so far if he were in Haiti.

[@dougdoan9190]

My parents were missionaries to Haiti and I visited twice, which doesn't make me an expert. What was clearly evident to me is that the Haitian people have an extremely short-term focus... If they have food for today, then everything is good. No thought for tomorrow. Kind of a teenage mentality. Therefor, it becomes impossible to create and run businesses because they take work and saving and planning in ways that show no outcome today. Delayed gratification is the key and I don't know how you teach that to a whole culture that thinks otherwise.

[@belatoth1446]

I'm sorry to see that nobody mention that the average IQ in Haiti is 72. It will not let you into the US army. They need to import some smart people to change things.

[@dougdoan9190]

@@jessh4016 It's hard, but it's a mindset I'm talking about. You could give them $10,000 and they would just spend it, not invest it. Investing in the future is just very foreign concept.

[@bscottb8]

The evolution of African hunter-gatherers didn't require planning for the future because seasons didn't change. Instead, they lived in the moment, as their descendants still do.

[@JohnSmith-ct5jd]

Haiti, Sub-Saharan Africa, Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Philadelphia, get the pattern?

[@myaccount2400]

Make a video on Bangladesh's political and economic crisis

[@rft9776]

I don’t think he cares

[@Snp2024]

@@rft9776 i mean as long as it bring views

[@jeffstanley4593]

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[@itchylol742]

Moral of the story is don't half ass an invasion, either invade a place and make it part of your country, or don't

[@joriankell1983]

Tell that to the US

[@WillieFungo]

Haiti isn't the first or only country that has been abused by foreign powers. It is, however, the only one that has refused to make any progress despite having 200 years to do so. Playing into their victim complex does no one any good. Governments are a collection of people, and they reflect the culture of the society they come from.

[@LesediModisakeng-in8uq]

Good point but there's lots of racist White people who racialise this when this is totally influenced by environment and has nothing to do with race

[@openclassusa3534]

I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!!

[@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg]

Just abandon the country already. Its always in some sort of emergency or being stumped on by its own government. Just let it go.

[@mbwandongo4545]

Every where black people are is a constant emergency just look at the world map and pin point where black people are settled and compare to where white people are settled. It speaks volumes about us black people

[@WillieFungo]

There is black, and then there is Haitian.

[@frombarcelona4121]

In the “top donors” after the earthquake , what EC stand for? European comision? Ecuador? Episcopalian church? And IDB? Inter American development bank? Islamic development bank? International development bank?

[@ecanic6258]

Far off! EC stands for the “Eastern Caribbean”. Search OECS or “Organization of Eastern Caribbean States” for more info

[@larimardr9342]

A country and nation can only be as good as its people, culture, customs and its government..

[@sportsfantv1633]

That true if you didn’t have to pay for you freedom like Haiti had to which become a terrible debt

[@789know]

U can't develop a culture and people with proper ruling mindset when ur country is here mostly first as a place for slaves work in Then they need to paid for their freedom with a large amount of money And then being robbed by Americans and its allies. Foreign involvement etc didn't allow the system to be developed organically. It also didn't help that u have insufficient time to develop properly and educate more people properly.

[@raymundoorozco7945]

They had to pay France to be free from slavery isn’t that a bitch

[@realemperorkuzco]

Well then, me and Haiti have a lot in common.

[@giuseppe9501]

Haiti sold its version of the Federal Reserve? That sounds like a solid plan 10:50

[@jaichind]

This is a bogus argument. The French indemnity of 1871 owing to the German Empire was very large but it was paid off fairly quickly. The real issue is one of overall economic productivity. The level productive gap between Haiti and the Dominican Republic is massive. The reasons are not some debt burden from the 1800s but something else. That someone else is obvious. Hint: Just take a look at the people living in Haiti and the people living right next door in the Dominican Republic. The answer is obvious.

[@gabriellakadar]

Also that the USA makes sure the minimum wage for the factory workers in Caracol do not get a living wage. Check out how Bill Clinton ensured that during his presidency and also the most recent lost fight for wage increase. The workers spend 1/3 of their wages on transport and lunch.

[@kingace6186]

France was one of the most brutal colonizers of all time. And the worst part is.... the French Empire still stands to this day ...still exploiting most of its "former" colonies. Just to be clear, this does not excuse the American Empire.

[@wolfgang6517]

Kinda forgot to mention how they genocided all the french

[@magivkmeister6166]

'Forgot'? More like willfully ignored.

[@Frenchfrys17]

The French were brutally enslaving them. There is a good reason why they had this much rage against their oppressors.

[@wolfgang6517]

@@Frenchfrys17 Theres no excuse for genocide

[@Frenchfrys17]

@@wolfgang6517 Well if 99.9% of a population was guilty of a crime which justified the death penalty, would it be called justice or genocide? If all pedophiles were to be eradicated, would it be evil genocide or a good thing?

[@wolfgang6517]

@@Frenchfrys17 Literal genocide denial lmao

[@richdobbs6595]

And the solution to this is what? In this post colonial time line, any reasonable solution like absorbing it into a larger federation is impossible.

[@falloodaboy]

I don't think it's out of the question entirely. Would it really be colonization if both parties are willing to form a union?

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

Why not let every Haitian leave to west Africa? That option would give them their ancestral homeland right of return

[@05DonnieB]

What country would want to take Haiti in? 😆

[@MasterGhostf]

@@TheMagicJIZZ What about west africans opinions? I don't think they would want that...

[@clarenceghammjr1326]

Nuke them, repurpose it as a penal colony

[@zotz-9189]

We can't catch a break

[@smithcas86]

I disagree. Haitians seem to break anything they touch.

[@lj2129]

This presentation misses so much! The reason so much aid money flows directly to the NGOs is that the governments are so ferociously, rapaciously, totally, and completely corrupt!

[@MrTryAnotherOne]

War Is a Racket - Smedley D. Butler

[@Goodmans93]

$50 a gallon damn that's almost UK prices

[@strikeone7803]

NNever paid much attention but now it makes sense why there's so many Haitians here on Mexico at the crossroads. Their country is a perfect example of what happens if decolonization happens way too fast before a proper government is established. I don't blame the DR for wanting to build a wall on their border.

[@Gorgithanial]

Haiti was not decolonized. They fought for their independence just like the U.S

[@strikeone7803]

@@Gorgithanial decolonized as if they fought their overlords without a proper replacement/government in place Imagine firing a McDonald's manager and not have someone next in line to replace. That's basically what they did.

[@kingknog9318]

But are you really thinking about politics when you fighting for your freedom. Even if they took their time, no country in their vicinity was going to acknowledge them.

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

@@strikeone7803so you’re saying that when the usa literally invaded Haiti.. when the world refused to acknowledge it? U really think a government would’ve done anything? It’s a blk country that disrupted white ppl slavery. I cannot stand ppl like u. U legit can’t even see the bigger picture because ur racists.

[@strikeone7803]

@@kingknog9318 there's another rcomment beneath you that has been censored. Can you see it?

[@3ractnodi]

3:17 Haiti and the DR are neighbors on the same island, their capitals are like 100 miles apart.. How does Haiti have >2x the number of natural disasters?

[@yazuki1185]

lies, our country iss also hit but our soil is stronger and structures are built anti eaarthquakes