Poor Man's/Simple Bismuth Duck Load 🦆🔨

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

Looking good, Keith! This will be perfect for my old 1957 Winchester model 12.

[@saltcreekammo]

These are pretty light shooting due to the speeds. Would make for a dense decoy load in a cylinder choke with #5, #6 and even #7 for timber style hunts.

[@DRandolphOutdoors1]

I have a 1919 vintage M12 myself, fixed full. Going to try this

[@gradyfuller4880]

Thank you for the great information. That’s definitely going in the loading book.

[@raymondbuie5292]

Thank you, very nice simple load!

[@TreeTop1947]

Those were sure some nice looking patterns you shot with those loads! TreeTop

[@user-iv8hc8fm5o]

Please share more bismuth loads. I am learning and it seems hulls and shot cups and components listed in the reloading books I have bought all have one component that's hard to obtain. Thank you for sharing this with the general public

[@saltcreekammo]

@@user-iv8hc8fm5o search for load data from BPI using the MG42 wad and new Cheddite hulls... 1-1/4 or 1-1/8oz... Awesome wad. Probably the best patterning non tox wad out there.

[@JohnnyDixon-xz5eb]

Great load. I'm new to reloading and this gives me something to do with all these cb 1138. I didn't know they came in bags of 500 lol.

[@saltcreekammo]

Yeah for sure! 😆... It's a great wad for heavier payloads in 2-3/4" 12... A few bismuth loads I've found with it. Figured I'd share... I also came upon an entire 55 gallon bin of old Remington peters and AA one piece hulls to make use of.

[@RDReynoldsOutdoors]

great info

[@jacobfarley824]

Im starting loading this year and this was my bismuth load for 12 ga. Im using Remington STS hull of AA. Im from Utah and I dont think alot of people load shotshells here, so its hard to find out data.

[@joeschranz4525]

I was making and testing the same load last season. Couldn’t seem to get these wads to sit right in the hull. Ended up settling with the 1 1/4 wads with better patterns

[@OG_Nightfox]

Is there any worry about cross contamination of lead when using the AA shells?

[@saltcreekammo]

@@OG_Nightfox no that's not a thing.

[@OG_Nightfox]

@ okay. I have a lot of old compression formed hulls that have been shot and reloaded a few times for trap with lead dating back into the early 90s. Just wondering if those needed to be cleaned with lead off or something before throwing non toxic load into it

[@brown765]

Do you have a good “poor man’s #4-5 shot steel load” using AA hulls and longshot powder similar to this load?

[@saltcreekammo]

@@brown765 I don't... Would be an interesting project though.

[@michaellancaster23]

Saw another guy put 32.5 grains of longshot in the exact same load in his video would that be way over pressure?

[@saltcreekammo]

@@michaellancaster23 probably.

[@michaellancaster23]

@ is the cb1138 more of a forgiving powder when it comes to higher charges?

[@themississippioutdoorsman3107]

Would the roll crimp at the end be needed? I would think that would slightly increase pressure? Just asking because I don’t have a roll crimp tool. Also what’s the velocity for the 1 3/8oz load in the video? Thanks for this, used your turkey load this year to take a nice turkey it patterned great and did the job

[@saltcreekammo]

The finish crimp isn't needed given your press can produce a shell that'll function in your shotgun properly. This load is 1215 FPS. Both mentioned either in the video or description. Thanks for your business, and watching the video.

[@clinte9897]

Maybe do a comparison of different brands of bismuth for reloading, tin plated, polished, deformed, consistently of shot size, value etc

[@saltcreekammo]

@@clinte9897 I have an idea close to that I'm putting together... Something to the effect of "Does pellet roundness affect patterns?" I'll pattern our 2.5" 1-1/8oz Vintage Waterfowl load with round value bismuth shot from BPI and the worst of the worst I sorted out of the Rotometals (#2 bismuth). The BPI is polished and actually really round for bismuth. Some of the most consistent I've seen.

[@clinte9897]

@@saltcreekammo that should be good tests

[@Mdwaterman]

Keith, thanks for sharing, that is a 2 3/4" shell you using ?

[@saltcreekammo]

@@Mdwaterman Winchester AA hull

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

Have you noticed any issues with fracturing of the value bismuth?

[@saltcreekammo]

I don't have much experience with it. I've been mostly loading the Rotometals stuff, which has done me well this far. I hardly get any fractures with it, especially keeping speeds between 1200-1300 FPS.

[@Mississippi72]

Can't get no powder in my area

[@saltcreekammo]

There's nowhere in Mississippi that has Longshot?... Lots of places online.

[@joearledge1]

Order it online

[@marionjohnson2211]

Why don't you just use the MEC for all stages?

[@saltcreekammo]

It isn't as precise as I want it to be.

[@Robert-m7s2j]

Hey you're using jb and bobs powder I and my handicap brother was adopted by Bob after our parents passed away he was a truly amazing human and he will be missed so much please continue to help me support the hodgdon family

[@saltcreekammo]

No idea what you're talking about. All I know is Longshot is the magic with bismuth and other cushioned wad duck loads.

[@doncaswell1846]

I been calling about some shot

[@saltcreekammo]

@@doncaswell1846 text me at the same number.

[@doncaswell1846]

@@saltcreekammo cool