Poor Man's T-72. What are Ukrainians doing? T-72AMT

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[@triatheraider1612]

@@ifureadthis_urgay damn

[@triatheraider1612]

@@ifureadthis_urgay guess I'm gay now

[@radenprasetyo8234]

@@ifureadthis_urgay Oh i wonder what it said Oh I'm gay now, huh

[@fernandoi3389]

RedEffect What is the main use of those rubber skirts on the sides of the turret and flank ? Any ballistic function or just for dust ? Thanks & great video BTW

[@gamecubekingdevon3]

This modernisation s goal seems to be more oriented toward anti infantry in my opinion, as the main things they improved are MG and ERA

[@scudb5509]

This was 100% aimed at combatting Donbas separatists and for cheap price. And I believe that ERA can protect it from RPG-7s and older ATGMs that the separatists use.

[@tar5us452]

yeah it is a FSV Tank not for tank vs tank. Tank vs Tank is very unlikely these days as there are better ways to deal with a MBT than another MBT.

[@Seth9809]

Do you think it's armor can stop RPG-29? If so, that could be really really helpful in fighting separatists, because previous T-72 models couldn't do that and T-80B couldn't either.

[@scudb5509]

Tevo77777 If it’s a copy of Kontakt 5. Maybe it can protect the turret front. Idk.

[@QualityPen]

Original Duplicate There might be better ways... That doesn’t mean those engagements don’t happen, or even that they are unlikely. Nearly every modern conflict where both sides have tanks at some point included tank vs tank engagements.

[@obj.071]

they pulled it out of storages when things got hot but now they just try to make it at least usable. there is not a lot of t72 in ukraine to begin with. there is more reason to put finances in modernizing more common t64 than quite rare t72, yes. if im not wrong we now have more operational t80s than t72s even if stock of those was bigger. well you can argue but i think something even bad is better then nothing at all.

[@TheArklyte]

/cough/ _not to mention that T-72 was a step back from T-64 into a more dumbed down and easy to mass produce piece of cheap crap to begin with_ /cough/ The real problem is that: 1)Ukraine lacks economic power to make T-80/84 right now. It's as if Stalin demanded to put T-44 on the front en masse in late 1944. Technically possible, but not viable in any sense; 2)same problem as Russia faces - lack of solid domestic electronic production. T-90s using components of China ie most likely opponent in land conflict with usage of tanks, is a fucking joke bordering on outright insulting trolling from chinese and their sellouts in russian government.

[@AlphaAurora]

Makes perfect sense. The Kharkov Tank Plant was the source of T-64. When the USSR broke up, T-64/80 production lines remained in Ukraine, while the T-72 production lines came from Nizhny Tagil. When you consider that effectively, the breakup of the USSR left the T-64/80 supply and production lines outside Russia, the move to T72BU/T-90 makes sense. The main problem with the current T-64/80 in service have more to do with a lack of modernization than anything else. T-84 is way too expensive.

[@TheArklyte]

@@AlphaAurora same is T-14. Hence existence of T-90MT(that probably was what killed T-14 due to lobby) ie T-90 updated with a few T-14 modules, primarily the gun. If T-84 is too expensive, produce T-80 with upgrade capability and just upgrade them when money will appear. South Korea still uses its T-80U's for training and the only reason they are being replaced at all is because Russia is selling spare parts at 300%. Why hadn't Ukraine supplied them instead? And since they are far from China unlike Russia, why not sell T-84's to Taiwan?

[@obj.071]

@@TheArklyte lot of things in ukraine quite complicated if you dig deeper. selling parts to korea is probably a thing but not so profitable as it might look like in the first place also you still need to remember that ukraine is highly corrupted country with most of politicians here so easy to buy. most of local oligarchs have deep ties with russia so you dont really even need foreign agents to be here to turn thing in the way russia needs. only fact that government sells parts of tanks that actually in service might cause a lot of turmoil. it could be made by own "patriots" or by media controlled by people that i mentioned earlier. only usa can afford to do things like selling weapons to taiwan. must remind that china bought motor sich not so long ago. you must understand that west isnt really interested in ukraine despite a lot of effort already shown and most of all it do not want make relationship with russia even worse than now so only viable investor is china. oligarchs and government that partially(maybe completely) controlled by them cant loose this chance.

[@TheArklyte]

@@obj.071 да у нас та же фигня с усатым:\

[@TheTeKuZa]

The real question is: Is it better than Arjun.

[@iconsumehumans8168]

Ofcurse it is arjun is a mbt M. Mobile B. Bad T. Tech call centre

[@bloq6758]

Yes

[@diligentone-six2688]

As long as it can Beat the Arjun, it's fine.

[@younissumaling8744]

Rombert Dillahuntsvalle But it is still better than arjun

[@gioaxe4538]

@@iconsumehumans8168 lol tech call center...

[@shashanksekuri7231]

GUYS THIS TANK IS NO MATCH FOR ARJUN TANK, ARJUN TANK IS SO STRONG IT CAN ALSO DESTROY THE IMPERIAL DEATH STAR!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DK-ig8zi]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 At least hope doesn't kill

[@ruslankazimov622]

I didn't know arjun had torpedo launchers....

[@kelvinvito105]

Is arjun the modern bob semple now?

[@kayagorzan]

Holy shit

[@peterfruchtig5334]

The best way to use Arjun is to drop it out of a plane on the enemys

[@josephahner3031]

Well, the one battalion they equipped with T-72AMT was a reserve battalion that spent the early part of the war in Odessa waiting to counterattack a potential Russian Naval landing. It's kinda obvious what they wanted out of this tank. They wanted to free up T-64s for front line duty. Another thing is the remote weapon station may, if it's anything like the US M153 CROWS, even if it doesn't have thermals itself gives the tank hunter killer capability by giving the commander a sight.

[@kkwun4969]

it likely does have thermals, i saw a video of syrians installing north korean thermal sights on a T72 and it looked like it was as easy as playing with legos.

[@gh-yf4go]

It's crazy how much T-72 versions there are

[@woodonfire7406]

Isn't the T-72 the second most produced tank out there, and also the most produced MBT in the world to date?

[@FirstDagger]

@@woodonfire7406 ; Most produced tanks: 1. T-54 and T-55 2. T-34 3. Sherman 4. T-72, so yes the most produced MBT (if you discount T-55 being an MBT) followed by the T-62.

[@A_Nice_Guy.]

@@FirstDagger yea true, T-72 is the most produced MBT, 'cause those T-54/T-55 and other russian 1st gen MBT are really just a medium tank

[@jamiebrown1437]

Still got nothing on the universal carrier

[@FirstDagger]

@@jamiebrown1437 ; Not everything that has tracks is a tank .... despite different game communities saying otherwise.

[@peterzavragin.d-17wenttowa48]

*As Long As It Has A Cannon We Consider That Thing As A Threat*

[@obj.071]

@Zaspany dont give them ideas!

[@Shitbird3249]

Igor now put two cannon for twice fear

[@Joshua_N-A]

@@Shitbird3249 Igor: I cast a deadly SHADOW. The APOCALYPSE is here.

[@t90mshaweenee55]

basically something that shoots

[@kuunoooo7293]

Finally somebody who thinks rigth If something can shoot its a srs treath

[@krisguntner4805]

It's pretty obvious this tank isn't meant to fight the "best of the best" tanks rather it's meant to be either an upgrade for smaller nations at a reasonable price or for ukraine but only as a second line tank neither of which are unusual ideas in military designs.

[@ligmasurvivor5600]

so basically russian t55s but better

[@ligmasurvivor5600]

though those are used as mobile field guns now so

[@ohnoes3084]

@@ligmasurvivor5600 I wouldn’t say that, it’s more like the Russian T72B variant from 1985 or T72AV but slightly better

[@ligmasurvivor5600]

@@ohnoes3084 t72amt is a t72a lol

[@ohnoes3084]

@@ligmasurvivor5600 and the t72b is just a t72a with era lol

[@MacChew008]

What are Ukrainians doing? The best they can, in such circumstances.

[@wonkagaming8750]

They should not upgrade the T 72A, they have large stockpile of T 64s BV, and they can be upgraded to better variant than T 72AMT. Like the T 64BV. Mod 2017 or T 64 bulat

[@elusive6119]

@@wonkagaming8750 They lost almost all of the modernized T-64s, besides, the T-72 is much cheaper to maintain, even they had to admit it. As far as I remember, the meeting of the T-64bv / T-64M with the T-72B, T-72B3 2011, T-90 1993 in practice always ended in defeat. T-72B3 lost 3 (!), up to 10 damaged, T-90s all remained on the move, 3 were damaged, T-64s that went on the attack were all lost. The modernized T-64 Bulat were withdrawn from the ATO zone to avoid further losses.

[@elusive6119]

And that's great. Considering that they are neo-fascists at the state level.

[@wonkagaming8750]

@@elusive6119 wait, sorry its hard to follow on what you're saying. In practice T 64BV and T 64M fought against T 72B,B3 and T 90, and all of the T 64s were lost in the attack?

[@yourneighbourhooddoomer]

@@elusive6119 You're saying this as if it's something bad...

[@get_serious4953]

Me : Mom can I have T-72B3 at home? Mom : we already have T-72B3 at home *T-72B3 at home*

[@massimechoub3343]

You’r luck, at least it’s still a t-72. It’s what I get when I’ve ask for a leo2

[@lukabogdanovic4658]

@@massimechoub3343 i would rather have a t90A

[@bdog2802]

massi mechoub most countries these days can't even afford large amounts of Leo 2

[@crad5476]

Garbage

[@a0flj0]

@@bdog2802 I don't see a reason for most countries to own large amounts of Leopards 2. They're far superior to most other tanks in use, and at least a close match to any other tank. They'd be able to stand their ground against numerically highly superior tank forces in most cases. Besides, in modern warfare, massed tank formations are no longer as effective as they were during earlier wars. Send in a squad of ancient A-10 tank hunters with some fighters for protection, and they'll clear enemy tanks faster than the enemy can send new ones into the battlefield. Some, but not many, modern tanks might be able to evade destruction for a short while, but not for long, while the A-10's ability to fly even when half blown up is legendary. And the A-10 is an antique piece of equipment by any modern standard. Nowadays, air superiority and highly interconnected systems are where it's at. If your satellites, your ground radar stations, your high altitude radar planes, your squadrons of fighters and your tanks are all connected, and all info is available all the time to everybody, night and day, the enemy is transparent for hundreds of miles beyond the front line. This allows you to plan ahead and always use the most effective weapon against each enemy target you choose to attack, and avoid any fight you can't win.

[@behroozkhaleghirad]

It reminds me of Ottoman ironclads which were made in 1860s, the Ottomans modernised them at 1905 while other countries were building dreadnoughts. The outcome was a defeat at Balkan wars against Greek navy.

[@jmantime]

Don’t forget lost against Italy in 1911 war. I thought the rebuilt Ottoman ironclads were interesting although useless.

[@nilihcrevo9820]

@@jmantime never think I will see you here before

[@denizkaanbudak2857]

@@jmantime our navy was so bad in late 1800s

[@Saturnus_Ouranos]

@@jmantime When a country is lagging decades behind the rest of the world and technology of your neighbors (e.g warships) have changed enough to make their tech woefully obsolete...

[@TheEpicCowboy]

7:40 is the saddest part...

[@AdurianJ]

As i understood it the T-72 tanks where removed from service for years before they where reactivated. They probably needed renovation just to become reliable battle tanks and since they are in the factory they might as well ad a few extra things to improve the tank. This is often what happens in the Swedish army when old vehicles gets renovated every 10-20 years they get some quality of life upgrades. And some obsolete systems get replaced if they cost more to maintain than to replace.

[@TheRezro]

They were stored in actual reserve, not Russian junkyard. So most of them is functional. They weren't though modernized for obvious reasons.

[@max-es7je]

Sweden Arny is one of the best Europe Army and they made great weapons..They know who can be his potential enemy and they made weapons which is danger for enemy weapons..Ukraine need cooperation with Sweden and all this "conserve T-72" sold to some banana Africa country or stupid Serbia...SLAVA UKRAINI ❤ ❤ ❤

[@ren.67]

They're doing something. I don't know what, but something.

[@Biden_is_demented]

They are using spit and glue to patch a few old tanks to send against the separatists, while keeping the very few more modern machines in reserve. Ukraine does not have any proper armament industry, all they had was hand downs from the former Soviet Union, and manufacturing licenses that have promptly been revoked. So any losses they incur cannot be replaced, or even repaired. I guess that´s why they are courting NATO, hoping to get a few aid packages from the US. Which is a dangerous proposition, because luring NATO into their insurgency is just a step away from causing all out war with Russia.

[@cocacola2you]

Russia is the Bully of the civilized world, when will people of the West realize this?

[@douglasmacarthur93]

@@cocacola2you you got catched by american propaganda.

[@fumeshroomz]

@@Biden_is_demented well they were getting plenty of aid but cringe azov battalion changed that..

[@werrkowalski2985]

All depends on whether the armor upgrade is worth it, overall the upgrade must be very cheap compared to any other, better upgrade, and if all you want these tanks to do is to fight in cities against infantry then you don't need automatic lead and usefulness of IR is limited. In that situation just focusing on slapping some more armor is a good compromise, any other upgrade would cost way more. And they don't have that many T-72As to upgrade anyway.

[@scudb5509]

This tank was made to combat older weapons used by the infantry. It’s perfect for combatting separatists that use older RPGs and ATGMs in large numbers. I also don’t understand why you bother to compare this to other tanks when it is crystal clear what the tank was made for. Anti-infantry combat in Donbas. It’s price is also a hint. In my opinion it’s an amazing tank for counter insurgency. Cheap and gets the job done.

[@Seth9809]

I agree if it's armor can stop RPG-29. However, we have seen fairly modern Russian tanks in use by separatists, so...That is a cause for concern.

[@scudb5509]

Tevo77777 How many? Maybe a unit of T-72B3s. But, even then has there ever been Tank on tank combat in this war? I don’t think so. If it’s Russia they’ll be fighting then of course. But, even then in urban environment it can prove to be useful.

[@roranger6208]

A cheap reliable tank to combat insurgents and militia using outdated equipment is a pretty good idea. Basically what the Russians keep all those 80s/90s tanks for

[@finnwade372]

Roranger126 yeah their internal affairs units were still using T-55AM and T-62M tanks in Georgia and South Ossetia

[@roranger6208]

@@finnwade372 YOOO SERGEI GEIDUK

[@Juiceman-fz6pm]

Javelin the great equalizer.

[@thiccthighssavelives5866]

@Zoomer Waffen javelin missiles are suppose to penetrate the top armor. Of course it would be less effective when shot directly at the frontal armor, but the top? It'll destroy it like it doesn't even exist

[@thiccthighssavelives5866]

@Zoomer Waffen that's a overstatement. I just googled it

[@thiccthighssavelives5866]

@Zoomer Waffen what the fuck is wrong with KZbin and not letting replies appear sometimes. I had to read your reply in my notifications

[@stophackingmygoogleaccount3886]

@Zoomer Stasi if modern ATGM’s don’t work effectively, can you please explain how Russia has already lost over 600 tanks that are confirmed visually? Likely meaning they’ve lost much more than that. Please explain to me.

[@oliverstianhugaas7493]

Sorry for being a poor country in a civil war. In Ukraine there is daily blackouts, rampant economic problems. It's a good tank when you remember these things, making tanks is hard and we tend to forget this and just compare tanks and pointing out their flaws, when really any tank is a good tank.

[@Shagadin]

You are correct, any tank is a good tank. IF YOU PRODUCE IT IN THE RIGHT QUANTITY. Look at the T-34.

[@WAJK2030]

80% of the targets aren’t MBTs. It can still penetrate any modern MBT (even T90M) from the sides and rear. Combine it with more powerful MBTs as lead vehicles and / or infantry and you have a great team going.

[@skparadise3382]

Dude. Every tank can be penetrated from the side by practically everything.

[@The_Greedy_Orphan]

Or the top as the Russians are finding out.

[@grigor.h3929]

T-90 is T-72hull +T-80 turret.

[@youdontneedtoknowwhoiam9612]

@@The_Greedy_Orphan It takes form 5 to 10 javelins to take out a tank. You are delusional

[@skparadise3382]

@@grigor.h3929 no it isnt

[@comradeweismann6947]

The world just wont give up the T-72

[@A_Nice_Guy.]

True, but they are decent and there are a bunch of 'em still around so thats the reason why

[@freshfrozen3035]

The T72 is a beast tho

[@smokeypuppy417]

@@freshfrozen3035 an m1a2 Abrams can kill a t72b3 at 3000m with a frontal shot, while a t72b3 has to get within a 1000m to get a frontal kill on an m1a2 Abrams tank.

[@lolxd4khd141]

@@smokeypuppy417 Bruh nobody knows the exact penetration values of both tanks.

[@smokeypuppy417]

@@lolxd4khd141 I was in the us army as a tanker and we studied all Russian and chineese vehicles, never were given the exact specs of course but we knew the estimated range to kill and vise versa.

[@arminiuszmazowszanin2670]

Both sides have 90% obsolete tanks so it doesnt make any difference.

[@fanta4897]

Well considering that Russians deployed even T72A in Ukraine, then this tank still isn't the worst in there.

[@militaristaustrian]

Really A? T 72B is the oldest i have seen

[@fanta4897]

@@militaristaustrian Check out oryxspioenkop. He writes down russian and ukrainian losses with photographic evidence. There are few T72As in there as well, unless he misidentified them.

[@militaristaustrian]

@@fanta4897 i will

[@steveplays107]

@@militaristaustrian oryx is biased af, a lot of the vehicles that he claimed the Russians lost, have been duplicates or old photos - and he’s a lot quicker to highlight Russian losses (basically anything he gets sent of a Russian loss, will be claimed as such very quickly, with fuck all fact checking) than he is Ukrainian (he got sent about 100 photos of what was, obviously a destroyed Ukrainian humvee, but it took him like 10 hours to claim it as a Ukrainian loss - I think he originally claimed it was a gaz tigr lmao) but the guy was making loads of fake claims during Syria, so I honestly don’t know why people take what he says for granted. Sorry for the rant

[@militaristaustrian]

@@steveplays107 no Problem, military rants are normal

[@Mite204]

Oh my God ! You upload a video! It's like Christmas for me! Thank you ! I really hope that both I and everyone in this chanel hope u upload videos more often, but of course it does not depend on us but on you and the free time you have! Thank you again.

[@puellamservumaddominum6180]

Everything he says is true but you have to remember tank on tank battles in the Donbas is non-existent. Upgrades are more geared against infantry with anti tank missles which is the real threat to tanks in the east of Ukraine. Plus you have to consider Ukraine is broke.

[@naruto16267]

Hi Red, what do you think about the T-72M4 CZ?

[@Strongpoint_S]

This video assumes that the main role of a tank is fighting other tanks. And this is plain wrong

[@markkringle9144]

Yeah. The primary mission of tanks is to kill infantry. In that role it could do pretty well, if used in infantry support role. This is what makes Javelin so effective. The Infantry can shoot back. If it comes up against a modern tank it would be in trouble, but Ukraine Infantry could engage them with Javelins. If even an obsolete tank takes on infantry with no AT capability, the tank wins.

[@slintirreg]

"They should not have bothered" Excuse me? Becasue the tank loses in a 1 on 1 tank joust with a modern tank? Now I suppose the U.S. Army should not have bothered with Shermans cause they loose in a 1 on 1 tank joust with a Tiger? Any tank is better than no tank Even shitty tanks can achieve kills on better models when attacking from the right angle / close enough /getting a lucky hit and imagine what they can do unopposed by other tanks and imagine what they can do fighting together with other units Not to mention the capabilities they can free up that can be used elsewhere - raw numbers are VERY useful Anyway here is some fun insight on what a six pounder can do against a Tiger: Tiger 131 was hit by three shots from 6-pounders from British Churchill tanks of A Squadron, 4 Troop of the 48th Royal Tank Regiment (RTR). A solid shot hit the Tiger's gun barrel and ricocheted into its turret ring, jamming its traverse, wounding the driver and front gunner and destroying the radio. A second shot hit the turret lifting lug, disabling the gun's elevation device. A third shot hit the loader's hatch, deflecting fragments into the turret. The German crew bailed out, taking their wounded with them and leaving the knocked-out but still driveable and largely intact tank behind.[5] The tank was secured by the British as they captured Djebel Djaffa hill. Tiger 131 was the first intact Tiger tank captured by British forces. On paper this isn't possible, because the numbers tell you otherwise but reality is more than penetration values.

[@Kurzula5150]

The Ukrainians should use the Bob Semple tank. Russian advanced automated fire control systems are unable to recognise it as a tank.

[@elusive6119]

Neo-Nazis like the Azov battalion, the ideological heirs of the Galichina SS division, used improvised armored vehicles for some time. Well, this shit is also added to the cultural archeological layer. topwar.ru/145837-shushpancery-ukrainy.html Against tanks, such ersatz are just a target at the range, it's even a pity to waste a shell ...

[@elusive6119]

@Arn Francis Tapic🇺🇦 A symbol of the NSDAP, we are not going to distinguish shit by grades. I see - I shoot. Repentance, or death.

[@MrRacer1029]

Please do a video on Indian T-72 and T-90

[@corodarius8392]

Can u do something about Romanian TR 85?

[@woodonfire7406]

Yeah please red, hail Romania 🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴

[@wallachia4797]

Yes please

[@andreichis-toie14]

Can't wait for him to list all the issues ( everything , lmao )

[@corodarius8392]

@@andreichis-toie14 cam asa ceva, dar no

[@szekhar7602]

Thats gonna be a loooong video, since its a t55 upgraded to the absolute limits.

[@stilpa1]

This thing... I would rather take T-72B (1989)

[@A_Nice_Guy.]

I would rather take a bunch of toyota mounted tow/kornet for the price of one of those sorry excuse for a modern tank

[@massimechoub3343]

A Nice Guy it dépend on which kind of conflict but old tank are really wick in the today’s meta.

[@A_Nice_Guy.]

@@massimechoub3343 today's meta hahaha good one dude, i agree. That means today's meta is no armor is best armor

[@elusive6119]

First, they have no place to take the T-72B, almost all of the later T-72B remained in Russia. Secondly, only Russia produces spare parts for the t-72B. Also, the customs of Russia previously constantly stopped the smuggling of stolen spare parts from Russia to Ukraine to repair the t-72. Ukraine does not have the technical base and competence even to repair the T-72, let alone the T-72B. Third, Ukraine has tried similar tactics. Novorossiya was very happy. Free shooting range for artillery. Not armored vehicles in a collision with even a very outdated army... just a goal, if everything is done correctly. Especially if the communication is completely jammed and the aircraft can't do anything because of the presence of an old but effective air defense system. If the us relies mainly on aviation, then Russia and the CIS countries rely on MLRS and artillery. Civilian equipment simply does not have a chance to survive.

[@stilpa1]

@@elusive6119 yeah i know, i just said that i would rather take T-72B (1989) in to battle, than this ukraine shit

[@thelitsquad2718]

Crazy how the war changed perceptions... Modern Russian t72s have been smoked by 30mm auto cannons... I guess there are no good T72s

[@biejaleslol1225]

yes i know, people think tanks are very strong but any hit with 30mm in the back turret or the side will penetrate it

[@skparadise3382]

Dude. Every tank can be killed by a 30mm to the side.

[@pauladambarral5039]

Make a video about problems of the Japanese type 10 tank

[@telurkucing5006]

It will end under two minutes with 2 warthunder ads in most of them and intro then outro because their only problem just very expensive price tag make it hard to operate in adequate number

[@marlarki5280]

It’s good for rough terrain and not collapsing bridges, it’s firepower and protection is nothing special.

[@Kokozaftran]

Boink! At least it has fuel and ammo lmao!

[@TheParallellinial]

We really need to rethink the capabilities of Russian tanks. Either the Russian tank crews are insanely bad educated or the tanks are really that bad. The Russian approach to their ERA seems to not be viable which leaves the tanks practically useless. Might be time for them to upgrade to composite armor. And APS on Russian tanks also seems really under developed.

[@skparadise3382]

They already have composite armor. And already are working on integrating APS. Their tanks are good, and when it came to engaging other tanks they did well and won most engagements. The thing that is killing the vast majority of Russian armor are top attack missiles such as the Javelin and NLAW which go through the top of the tank with the thinnest armor. These missiles could kill literally any tank with a single hit.

[@yamato_460]

I have just 1 question: have you seen a lot of battles in the late 2000s, when tanks were fighting against tanks like in "Desert Storm" or something else? War in Ukraine and Syria showed, that there's an era of hybrid conflicts. Comparing one tank with another just unwise in these situations. Any type of modern tanks without adequate infantries support just an easy target for RPG operators or something. In 2014 many Ukrainian T-64BM Bulat were destroyed due to artillery fire and technical issues and because of that many tanks were captured. Does it show that T-64BM a bad tank? No. But in those conditions situation turned around sadly. I can say just the same about Russian T-72B3, that were destroyed with RPG-7 in the turret in Ukraine near town Ilovaisk. All of the tanks that are based on soviet tanks can't rival with modern West tanks, like M1A2, Leopard 2A6, etc. But in local conflicts these tanks very useful and effective because of their simplicity, cost, and reliability.

[@AlphaAurora]

I think the Ukrainian T-64's suffered from overusing a physically old chassis. You probably wouldnt be too far-fetched to find the original frame built physically in the 70s or 80s, and then ported over with little to no maintenance. At some point of time, you really need new frames, and not just rebuilding old equipment. I believe the Ukrainian T-64s ended that way.

[@janko7245]

@@AlphaAurora Ukraine does manufacture its own t-64s

[@tnix80]

Western tanks are overpriced. Britain is phasing them out. T72b3 is not bad for 1/10th the cost. The t14 armata is cool but too much also.

[@Tonyx.yt.]

@@tnix80 is not even close to 1/10 of the cost, more like 1/3

[@larisamikhaylova6782]

well this aged like milk

[@elizabethmiller7918]

This tank is not Obsolete. Defition of obsolete: A tool or system that if you have it in your possession in perfect working order is not worth the effort/expense to man it/fuel it/maintain it/ munition it...for the benefit you receive. Examples: a WW1 battleship. a WW1 tank are all obsolete. remember tanks are not just about fighting other tanks. they are also about besting strongpoints with their main gun, bunkers, enemy firing positions. to use the HMG to hammer enemy infantry.. There is nothing about a T72 ,especially a modernized one, that is "obsolete"... Many contributors in this field simply do not seem to understand the term. Obsolescent might be a better term, this means " the benefit from this system is not worth the expense to make this design with new production". Example : A 1970 Mercedes S class is obsolescent but not obsolete.

[@theimmortal4718]

For the price of one tank, I can field dozens of guided missiles. I can attack all those targets without presenting one for the enemy to destroy. Also wouldn't need ammo specialists, expensive crews, huge fuel consumption, track footprint to be traced by air. I'd much rather have a squad on quad bikes with Javelins and stingers, along with small arms than a tank.

[@elizabethmiller7918]

@@theimmortal4718 We were not discussing tanks in general but this particular tank the T72 that was called "obsolete" vs there tanks. You are opening up a seperate conversation ( which is also worthy having but there are other spots for that on the tube). I edited my post on top from "The tank" to "this tank" to be more clear.

[@theimmortal4718]

@@elizabethmiller7918 Well, I was commenting on your original "the tank". I can't see into the future when you might, at any time, change your comment. Thus, my reply to "the tank".

[@theimmortal4718]

@@elizabethmiller7918 My point still stands that it's much better to take out a bunker with a mortar spotted by a drone or an 80K Javelin than to field a multimillion dollar gas and maintenance hog that's one big, slow moving target that is trackable from the air.

[@romanbuinyi]

Red Effect, its not a proper "modernization" in usual meaning, its just repairment of old tanks from storage with addition of some new things in the process. Nobody expect them to be on par with modern tanks.

[@possiblyadickhead6653]

And even if it were to be meant to be a modernization effort it could still make sense in the context of Ukraine. For instance as a cheap but effective option that can be used in the civil/proxy war in Ukraines east ATM. Since the Russian won't show up with their newst and best tanks there anyway. You know plausible deniability.

[@romanbuinyi]

​@@possiblyadickhead6653 True, most tanks used by russian proxies are T-64BVs and T-72Bs.

[@Seth9809]

@@romanbuinyi I've heard there were some T-72Bs with better ERA showing up, so I don't know about that.

[@romanbuinyi]

@@Seth9809 Yes, there were few T-72BAs, T-72B mod89 and T-72B3s(and they were even destroyed in tank on tank fights, despite claim of Red that they cant be fought with current ukrainian tank shells). T-90 was at least once used at Luhansk airport siege(and proved to be impenetrable to ATGMs of defenders).

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@romanbuinyi was it a T-72B3 destroyed by a ukranian tank shell frontally or was it taken out by the side or by ATGMs or was it even a T-73B3 at all and not a T-72B mod 89? (even kv-1s were destroyed by 37mm armed panzer IIIs, despite being invulnerable to them frontally)

[@nataliasekula8522]

I see this like this.. You are sitting in your BTR or BMP and you see one of this tanks.. and you say "ok comrades, It's a really shitty tank, I saw video on KZbin from some Serbian guy.." 2 seconds later you are dead meat..

[@DaniboyBR2]

The T-72/T90 autoloader with the shells stored in a circle on the edges of the turret are a deathtrap for troops, most destroyed tanks of the kind have their turrets blown off due to this and the crew does not survive the explosion.

[@rogue__agent5884]

T-90M has protected ammo tho

[@ravenouself4181]

The ammo stored outside of the Autoloader is a much bigger deathtrap tbh.

[@NEY-uu3lx]

this or arjun?

[@slavarodu5062]

This, no discussion.. No matter what xD

[@NEY-uu3lx]

@@slavarodu5062 go for an ifv instead

[@stilpa1]

Arjun!

[@wonkagaming8750]

@@stilpa1 you're the guy who want to make a subreddit for redeffect?, how is it going

[@stilpa1]

@@wonkagaming8750 not good lol

[@jawadad802]

theirs lots of scrap rolling around in ukraine right now and the battlelines seem quite volatile, a t72 stumbling on a column of btr's still makes a turkey shoot

[@todorviktorov6714]

т72 in general was poor mans t64. its ment for export, and it is worse than guard regiment tanks in almost everything including overall metal quality. its a relic from the warsaw pact era, when soviet guards regiments were issued the good stuff, and friendly countries and auxillary units got "itll still work" machines. ukrainian tanks and apc, as we see prove to be the ultimate modifications of these obsolete platforms.

[@sancfireactual307]

There’s pics of rich man’s t72’s with ERA made out of egg cartons 😂. Every one of these videos has aged immensely well.

[@skparadise3382]

Oh how wrong you are. Those aren't egg cartons they are spacers for the ERA on the side bags. Actually do research instead of blindly believing memes

[@skparadise3382]

@@Mostima115 There was though. Watch the video from red effect on it. He goes through it.

[@skparadise3382]

@@Mostima115 no he does also mention that those videos and images of bags in a loose condition are from the crews taking them out after the tank was knocked out

[@skparadise3382]

@@Mostima115 I know. The ones that are rigid have the ERA in place. The ones that are loose. Which are always only seen on knocked out Russian tanks and on Russian tanks captured by Ukraine, do not have ERA because it was taken out by the crews after it got taken out or became immobile.

[@71stingray67]

dont need tanks when you have javalins

[@johannbezuidenhout2976]

At least its not running around with a bird cage on the roof.

[@biejaleslol1225]

i prefer having a shit cage than a ukranian t72

[@dogmeat4275]

I support "current thing" too, notice me internet

[@johannbezuidenhout2976]

@@dogmeat4275 O! look at the edge lord that came scurrying out from under its bridge somewhere in Eastern Europe. I don't give a flying fuck who wins this shit show. Just saying it is a sensible upgrade if you are on a budget vs oops we sold all our era on the black market and now we need to weld jungle gyms to our tanks to boost morale.

[@hecunotmakingalogisquad5785]

Actually this thing was captured by the russians there are videos

[@bigchungus6320]

The cage helps against NLAW missiles so I prefer it a lot

[@tclem14]

This didnt age well

[@Coughsyrupabuser]

How so? The t72 AMT didn't have a good track record so far. The ruskis captured some too. The Ukrainians are using better methods of wiping out russian tanks. So the video ageds perfectly fine

[@thanakornkhumon7365]

Overall T-72AMT isn't the best option for upgrade just like Russian T-80BVM. But Ukraine have to because of lack budgets for their modern vehicles Good Vid BTW.

[@joelau2383]

Yes, they probably just want tanks to move and shoot. They only make those upgrade to persuade solider to drive them.

[@lukabogdanovic4658]

The t80BVM is as good as any tank

[@thanakornkhumon7365]

@@lukabogdanovic4658 Yep you were right, T80BVM has some potential just like other modern MBT. But imo Russia could have upgrade a better T-80 tank variants intead.

[@lukabogdanovic4658]

@@thanakornkhumon7365 true t80U would be a better choice.But would you rather have 3000 t80's with obsolete FCS ammunition and kontakt 1.The t80U will be upgraded once all the t80BVM and t90M work is finished

[@tnix80]

Poroshenko stole army funding, yet they still found money for a shitty knockoff Israeli tank. Coincidence?

[@RandomPotatoGamingYT]

So i gues Romanian TR 85 M1 is better in any other department except the gun, the gun is rifled and 100 mm but it shoots APFSDS , has thermals, blowout pannels, new turret with composite armor (despite being a t 55) , ERA blocks slaped to the turret, automatic lead , evrething that a modern tank has. But they are expensinve to produce and the gun isnt that good.

[@Joshua_N-A]

The TR's hull could've at least fit a 105mm though.

[@CrispyPratt]

Counter argument; It looks pretty cool

[@triatheraider1612]

Hello red what do you think about the PT 91

[@ДмитроВанько]

Seems that Ukraine’s defence is not made of tanks only.

[@arcturus4762]

I have a legit question. Is there any way one could remodel T-54/55s in any way to make them useful in the modern era? Maybe not even for Tank vs. Tank combat, or has it ended its service life already?

[@lukabogdanovic4658]

T55m6

[@arcturus4762]

@@lukabogdanovic4658 Thanks. You see, I have a few T-55s and I'm planning on conquering the world, so I need all the help I can get

[@lukabogdanovic4658]

@@arcturus4762 no problem fam but call in a few mi 24's

[@swaghauler8334]

Are you in Romania? I think they still have around 100 upgraded T55s. The Russian MARINES use upgraded T55s as well. This is due to their weight. They fit Russian landing craft better and have been upgraded (with wider tracks) to run in marshlands and beach terrain.

[@benjaminpajk1299]

Slovenia has upgraded around 55 of its T-55 MBT-s to M-55 S1 standard. They are now in storage. Modernization was quite substantial as even the main 100 mm smoothbore gun was replaced with a rifled L7 105 mm gun.

[@stephanvelines7006]

Ukraine can get the latest thermal imaging systems by western companies like French Thales f.e. Upgraded fire control systems for the T-72 should also be available from central / Eastern European countries. I think Croatia or Slovenia have systems on offer.

[@ivanstepanovic1327]

Well, in case of fire exchange between Ukraine and Russia, I don't think that Ukrainians would send those to stop the tanks. After all, not so long ago, USA gave some TOW and Javelin missiles to Ukraine. And if it comes to all out war, more will come... So, I think they would try to fight the Russian tanks with these missiles and more modern tanks while these would be use in infantry support. That is the only explanation that comes to my mind that actually makes sense... That is why it doesn't have improved gun (firing HE is pretty much the same for both old and new gun), it has remote controlled machinegun and just enough stopping power for most of portable RPGs...

[@terrynewsome6698]

God this aged like a fine French whine. Cheers

[@VoltageLP]

Good enough for the second line tank, they have T-64s and T-80s for frontline service.

[@peterfruchtig5334]

@RedEffect I have a question about your optionion about Norsh/Duplet ERA: IN another video you called BM Oplot the best protected tank in the world, cause of Duplet and the APS. Some days ago I found a computersimulation of Norsh wich showed, that Norsh in practise isnt able to form real cutting jets, cause the impacting APFS-DS is deforming the ERA panel. In that simulation Norsh wasnt able to cut a penetrator. Have you seen this simulation and whats your opion about it? What do you think about such simulations in the first place. PS: I will seach for the source and post it under this comment.

[@nostromokg]

It is Nož (not Norsh) pronounced like Nozh

[@goddepersonno3782]

Also Bm oplot is not the most protected tank in the world. That was fake hype

[@peterfruchtig5334]

@@nostromokg Hey I'm the german guy. I'm the only one allowed to be a spelling Natsi :D

[@peterfruchtig5334]

@@goddepersonno3782 Yeah, I thought the idea of Nož is to good to be true.

[@nostromokg]

@@peterfruchtig5334 :))) salute and respect from Serbia bro ....

[@Horesmi]

Come on, we are basically patrolling the Mojave here. Any tank is good tank.

[@lukyphill]

It's war, you go with what you got and everything and everything you got. Not what you wish you had.

[@Kazek152]

Hey RedEffect can You make a video about polish PT 91 wich is modernization of a T-72?

[@spookythecat3055]

The t72 is in a wierd spot right now, too old to be on part with new tank even with upgrade package but still good enought to be used in combat

[@longyu9336]

The Americans used upgraded M60s in the First Gulf war where it sat in the same spot

[@j.g.s.b9994]

5:50 and sadly, all hell broke loose

[@BatkoMahnovets]

Isn't it simple? Better to have this tank too, than none?

[@marketgarden8910]

Ukraine is making a new Special Purchasing Operation Purchasing a Javelin

[@Stephanthesearcher]

ofc it can penetrate all modern tanks, just not at the front hull and front turret

[@bigblue6917]

Well things have changed a bit since this was made. A number of Russian T-72s are now in Ukrainian service and Russia has lost so many tanks they are having to bring out the old T-62 tank. And even the Ukrainian T-72s can kill them.

[@FriZal]

I partly agree with the tanks losing part (which happened on both siede) but i’m don’t think the reason they are taking T-62 out is because of their lack of tanks lol. As the old saying goes, Having a tank is better than having no tank and they are most likely giving it to the DPR/LPR troops but not for them. I mean imagine, would u want to give your T-72s to a bunch of soldiers who just fight along side with you but barely have experience on driving tanks. You could just give it to your own soldiers who can get more effective you know. But at the same time, remember russia have LOT of old tanks in their inventory that have almost no where to use? Yeah that should be the reason why they decided to unload the old machines out to the battlefield and it seems like a win-win situation for both LPR or DPR and Russia.

[@WeAreSoBackBros]

Soyjak moment

[@tanaziolopez1936]

This did not age well

[@alejandra12p]

Yes they are old tanks ,but dont forget Israeli Shermans upgraded where still operational until the 70 ,fighting in the six day war against far better russian tanks or in numbers Yom Kipur war northern front where less then 100 tanks hold for days the all Syrian attack , its a question who you use the militar equipment .

[@petros311]

i guess they upgrade whatever they can with whatever parts they have at hand. Also it maybe they repairing battle damaged parts with better ones they have in stocks. if tanks come for repair and you have few dozen better night image intesifiers why not put them on the tanks to assist the IR search light? Many foreigh buyers of russian tanks have put thermal sights from european firms as the russian were not available or low quality. The remote control gun its important. and maybe the T-72 engine its more reliable and easier to maintain than the T-64/80/84. availability in wars matters so even if you have small numbers of T-72 you dont pass the chance to make them available for battle!

[@Liamv4696]

Id still take one of these over being on foot.. especially considering youre much more likely to stumble across a BTR/BMP anyway, in which case, your T-72 won't seem so obsolete if you're the Russian on the receiving end..

[@ushikiii]

Man you and chieftain make learning about tanks interesting and fun. I still have lots to learn about tanks but your videos have helped me understand modern tanks more. Thanks for your videos.

[@BigSmartArmed]

It's about operational costs and MTBF values. T-64s do not hold up mechanically as well as T-72s, and require more maintenance and repair time. T-72AMT is an infantry support tank, it's role is not to combat other MBTs. T-72s fair much better in the trenches then T-64s.

[@wonkagaming8750]

Still has shit FCS tho, not even an automatic lead. Or even thermal for the gunner

[@BigSmartArmed]

@@wonkagaming8750 It does not need an advanced FCS to lob HE rounds at marked targets. US has been pushing Ukraine into another attack on Donbas, so US will be providing recon from drones. Ukraine is broke and its military exists only becasue US is funding it.

[@andriianashovam7070]

@@BigSmartArmed Not true. Ukraine is still fighting not because US support, but because it's people keep fighting for their country no matter how corrupt, stupid, unresponsible their government is. US help, of course. Just because they failed to secure Ukraine's territorial integrity which US promised in change of nuclear disarming of Ukraine (together with Britain and - ironically enough - Russia). Google it.

[@BigSmartArmed]

@@andriianashovam7070 I don't have to "google it", half of my relatives live in Ukraine. Where are you from? А то тебя быстро выведу на чистую воду.

[@tomk3732]

Infantry support tank is a concept from before WWII popular with the French. After WWII a concept called MBT was invented. MBTs do indeed mostly do the job of infantry support but they have to be called on when occasionally facing enemy tanks as well. Also for infantry support this tank is not so great as well as it armor against infantry weapons is only so-so. Luck of thermals means it will not do great as a support vehicle at night. I bet it does not even have modern radio. I feel the "infantry support" is a cloak thrown on the "rather cheap and no value" part of the upgrade.

[@VladislavDrac]

Please make a video about PT-91

[@NEY-uu3lx]

he did already

[@wonkagaming8750]

@@NEY-uu3lx no he hasnt

[@Rebelpl1]

@@NEY-uu3lx nope he didnt

[@NEY-uu3lx]

@@wonkagaming8750 i mistaken him for matsimus

[@NEY-uu3lx]

@@Rebelpl1 mat did

[@lordgong4980]

And at the end of the day the quality of the tank didn't matter

[@NEY-uu3lx]

if your poor, better not buy this

[@JemRau]

You're*

[@NEY-uu3lx]

@@JemRau ok

[@Seth9809]

If you are poor, this is the best you can afford.

[@avafe96]

@@JemRau 🤣

[@treadman08]

Getting MBTs into combat seems to be the goal. Tactics play a huge role in survivability. It's not like they gonna stand in the open and day hit me. Bottom line. No tank is invulnerable to destruction. Each tank commander needs to be highly trained and able to take advantage nif terrain and concealment to allow him to execute his task.

[@jeffstone7912]

You are assuming that Russian tankers are competent and all other things being equal.

[@SOUNDWAVEPR]

Welcome to General statistics. Then what should he assume? That the tank crews are very bad? Or insanely good? It’s best to assume that ALL tankers are well trained.

[@justinwaters8679]

This should be no problems today, as the Russians are delivering many tanks directly to Ukraine army, no need to buy and upgrade when scared conscript army run off and give you free tank, BTR, BMP and many fun rocket toys. Slava Ukraini

[@reahs4815]

2:19 look at that smiley on the tank xd

[@Vlad_-_-_]

If you think this is bad, Romania uses the TRM, which is a heavily modified T55. Yeah.

[@hugoc.4311]

Well this video aged like milk

[@dogmeat4275]

Not really, considering the Ukrainian armour aren't doing too well either, and the majority of tank kills were from the terrain, NLAWs and drones.

[@hugoc.4311]

@@dogmeat4275 true. But the amount of losses is asymmetrical and the video I feel like in summary says "Russian tanks op Ukrainian tanks shit". But in general the way the tanks are being used matter most. So far Ukraine has been using their assets better. Also its just my opinion but isn't the loss of Russian tanks whatever the reason a bit redundant back in the gulf war people would say "export versions and the Iraqi army didn't use them right" and other arguments such as "formal Russian tanks won't have those issues or have their turrets blown out" and considering there are high losses on both sides but way more on the Russian side I think the overall family of t64 t72 t80 and t80 tanks are obsolete. Still usable and deadly but I think the T-14 platform would be a way better platform in this type of war or just in general. The current tanks seem to have the same fault that the Iraqi tanks had and it's 2 army that are highly trained on them

[@dogmeat4275]

@@hugoc.4311 The video didn't exactly say Ukrainian tanks are shit, it's just that this particular one is obsolete, the Ukrainian BM Oplot is considered quite modern against the tanks Russia is fielding in Ukraine now. As for the export variants, I've not heard anyone say that they weren't being used properly, it's more of how well they can be used with their current resources, in the case of Iraqis. They fielded less than stellar ammunition types that they could buy on mass, because the main threat for them at the time was an Iranian Cheiftain. Regardless, I spoke to an M1 Abrams crewman that took part in the first invasion of Iraq, he told me that most of the tanks were taken out by aircrafts and whatever armour they came across, almost all the time never saw them coming. He had a lot of respect for them because he knew that fighting in those things with no air support, few scouts and outdated ammo was a death sentence

[@hugoc.4311]

@@dogmeat4275 very true as well. I have heard some people say what I referred to about Iraqi t72s. But I still believe that a platform such as the Abrams Leopard's Challengers and T-14s are better than any of the other T series of tanks. But hopefully that stays as speculation and we don't have to find out like we did with the RU UK tanks atm

[@dogmeat4275]

@@hugoc.4311 I have done mandatory service on older variants of the leopard 2, won't say from which country, not gonna doxx myself. But I'm very delighted to hear any news about the upgrade packages, that tank has a very special place in my heart

[@koka1571]

5:57 where are you from RedEffect?

[@amadeokomnenus1414]

Serbia

[@mikalcobbs9402]

They’re using soldier carried anti tank weapons more than tank on tank fights anyway, and so far the Stugna ATGM, Javelin, and NLAW have been extremely effective against Russian armor

[@samsniper2000]

Artillery has killed far more than atgms, the media perception of atgms has really skewed people's perceptions

[@nickbrough8335]

I suppose it's better to use an obsolete tank in preference to an even more obsolete one.

[@Ima184mm]

The Best T-72 is a Czech T-72 They made it Better

[@daniels_0399]

The thing is that you are assuming that they made this tank to fight T90s in open field, but that's far from the only thing tanks are supposed to be doing. This seems to have been made in more an anti infantry role in my opinion, made to whitstand RPGs and SPG9s and old ATGMs.

[@yuripilipishin6208]

All comments on this video, and all the similar videos with Ukrainian weapons, are the best source where one could learn about routine stratagems and deanonymize key persons from Russian psy-war troll factory. All English-speaking, of course, but Russian Nazi-style hatred to free Ukraine is clearly visible mark on their comments. It is especially true when talking about tanks, because tanks (instead of aircraft, for example) are for Russians the most loved style of war.

[@NEY-uu3lx]

review new challenger 2

[@Zeryth960]

you mean the one with the rheinmetall 130mm? that's not a production vehicle but a testbed/showcase vehicle for the 130mm

[@NEY-uu3lx]

@@Zeryth960 well the challenger had a new look i want to see all its upgrades

[@NEY-uu3lx]

@@Zeryth960 ok

[@HJDore]

AristoKrap I’ll give you a quick rundown. Rheinmetall’s first generation life extension program (lep) bid included a completely new welded turret that mounted the l55 120mm main gun and single piece ammunition storage alongside completely new electronic systems and the same gunner and commander sights as the Ajax armoires reconnaissance personnel carrier family of vehicles. The second generation challenger 2 life extension program bid from Rheinmetall replaced the l55 130mm main gun with the l51 130mm and accompanying autoloader, it also added rheinmetall’s amap modular composite armor to the turret.

[@limedickandrew6016]

Maybe he will when it's in service. Right now it's just a few prototypes and pictures on paper.

[@stevenbreach2561]

You make do with what you've got.Even an inadequately armoured tank is better than none

[@wallachia4797]

Romanian TR-85 please?

[@JFHeroux]

Suggestion: You should update this video with real battlefield data. I am curious to know if the AMT fared much worse than the B3. And in any case, I guess ManPADs kind of compensated for the Ukrainian tanks not being exactly on par with the Russian's. Also, we've seen other Russian tanks on the ground un Ukraine (like the T-80). I am not convinced they performed much better in the end. I think the Ukrainians, at least in the North, mainly let the Russians run their tanks right into traps though, that the Ukrainians could more often keep their armor parked and shoot at the Ruskies, which would make-up for part of their deficiencies, wouldn't it?

[@Yuri_Bodlovic]

i see long time ago that they sold 200-300 t72 around 2010 to africa

[@goddepersonno3782]

Which African country?

[@Yuri_Bodlovic]

@@goddepersonno3782 i gona try to find the website its was long time ago i see it

[@deans-rewind2882]

Goddeperson No3 I believe it was DRC

[@ianstobie]

In 2008 pirates seized a shipment of 30 T-72 tanks from Ukraine off the coast of Somalia. They were on the way to south Sudan via a port in Kenya according to the Telegraph. Not sure if other shipments got through www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/somalia/3107668/Somali-pirates-die-in-Ukrainian-ship-shootout.html

[@sneakyghillie4087]

They know these tanks are crap when compared to modern MBTs. These upgrades make these T-72 somewhat viable to beef up a static defense or as a tactical flex force. They are still sitting on considerable amounts of legacy hardware they want to be able to field. If Russian armored units poor in again, Ukrainians strategy is going to revolve around deploying and maximizing their Javelins. I doubt they will task these T-72 with stopping a Russian armored thrust.

[@peiershen8221]

No matter how bad the tank is, when it's crewed by properly motivated and discipline ukranian crewman, russia might as well fight against a t-90

[@Ariel117-p2k]

that's a stupid reason, it's like saying your shitty junk car might as well be a Ferrari because you likes to drive fast

[@max-es7je]

In theory yes,but what they do if some granate hit him???..Army will lost tank and crew..SLAVA UKRAINI

[@SOUNDWAVEPR]

Respectable opinion, but it’s like saying a old T-55 has a chance against a Leopard 2a6. No matter how good the crew will be, they are limited by the vehicle they operate.

[@Ariel117-p2k]

@baileyboy73 baileyboy73 OH WOW, A TANK WAS DESTROYED BY AN ANTI TANK GUIDED MISSILE OH WOW

[@Ariel117-p2k]

@baileyboy73 baileyboy73 English bro

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

So this tank is mainly a moral booster?

[@nodreams4288]

It's like RedBull it gives you wings, so you can fly to Heaven after being hit by a proper apfsds round

[@Seth9809]

It seems to me that the tank is a lot better at knowing where it is and fighting infantry, which is a good thing considering Ukraine is a poor nation fighting separatists.

[@NEY-uu3lx]

corruption and stupidity

[@medina5129]

Autism too for siding with Taliban before and shelling civi's

[@fumeshroomz]

@@medina5129 when

[@Seth9809]

These upgrades are affordable, why does everyone forget that Ukraine is poorest country in Russia, very very poor country. Also, Ukraine is fighting separatists, which means Remote-controlled HMG and better ERA are big help.

[@cianmac3934]

Nope just lack of funding, best they can do right now

[@TheCleansingx]

@csikkeszmen ifj Ignore him he's stupid..

[@xmeda]

Many times you mentioned how T-72 tank armor is obsolete. But do we have some proper testing with modern ammunition to prove such claim? Considering how thin is side armor of Leo2 for example, what is the comparison based on? Also soviet tanks were designed to be used as general support vehicle. It is not primary anti-tank weapon. There are better systems to eliminate enemy tanks. The main problem for modern tanks are RPGs and ATGMs. So if you cover tank with reactive armor and provide at least some level of active protection, it significantly improves survivability on modern battlefield where tank-tank shoot-outs are extremely rare.

[@lukabogdanovic4658]

There are multiple tests that u can find online but red effect picks the worst possible source Alexey Khlopotov for example

[@rogenjosh]

Protection doesn't count for sht anymore

[@bigchungus6320]

It does at least Russian t80bvm and t90m can take more than one shot on the front

[@superspy-xv9sx]

@@bigchungus6320 Well Javelin missiles can completely avoid the front and take down the russian tanks.

[@gusgone4527]

T72 is a poor mans tank anyway. It's also a poor tank.

[@leotka]

Well, modernized tanks shown pretty good in Donbass as infantry support mechanized guns. Main disadvantage was night capabilities.