Milwaukee M12 Stubby 1/2 Impact New vs Old | Slight disappointment

[@miguelacosta4509]

i clicked on here thinking it was a www.youtube.com/@TorqueTestChannel video lol but either way i enjoyed this video just as much. lol

[@PoorManMods]

@@miguelacosta4509 heck yeah thank you!!! 🙌

[@johnny4713ify]

Gen 1 Stubby owner here. 😁 You need to run it with the HO batteries to really notice the power difference. Several KZbin channels and TTC demonstrate that this is key to getting the full performance out of the Gen 2 Stubby models. It's a bit misleading to say they have the same power. TTC rated this the highest Stubby to date, with over 400 ft-lbs of power. I believe Milwaukee now states that if you want the most power, you need to pair it with the HO 5.0 battery. Interestingly, using it with the 2.5 HO battery delivers impressive results, even outperforming a standard 6.0 battery, with over 300 ft-lbs on TTC. Pretty cool! Either way, it dethroned the DeWalt 921 in a much more compact design. 👍🏻

[@PoorManMods]

@@johnny4713ify after this video we threw on a HO battery on both of them (we only had 1 battery) and we still did not notice a real difference. Both are still great tools but Im not convinced the upgrade was worth it yet. Time may change my mind though

[@johnny4713ify]

@@PoorManMods No worries I understand. I'm still picking up a new Gen 2 1/2 when it's in Stock at my Local HD. My Gen 1 3/8 is my workhorse, but if I can get as much power out of a stubby that my old Gen 1 1/2 Midtorque has then I'm in 😄. I can't tell you how many times I wish I had that little bump in power while in some tight engine bays especially when running extensions. Keep up the great work much appreciated.

[@deluxepressure]

This is why randoms rookies shouldn’t be testing /tool reviews

[@PoorManMods]

@@deluxepressure anyone can give a review, not using an HO battery which most people don't have doesn't change the fact that there is not a noticeable difference in size or weight

[@PoorManMods]

@@johnny4713ify thank you!! You won't regret getting the tool

[@josegarcia2014]

Unfortunately Milwaukee makes you read between the lines with their marketing. You can get up to 550 ft lbs but busting but that's only with their 5.0 HO battery. The 250ft lb rating on the original stubby is fastening only but it could do around 400 ft lbs breakaway, so the upgrade is still big, but it requires a special battery. It is lighter and more compact but not compared to last year's model, it's compared to any other impact that can perform at the same level or better than this Gen 2 stubby. We're definitely passed the limit of what older standard batteries can achieve and testing the limits of their high output batteries with this new impact.

[@unslicedbreadd]

using the gen 2 on the daily, even with the HO battery, i notice after just a little bit of use (usually 1-2 cars) i find the battery already is depleating, and especially on trucks with higher torque specs, the stubbys battery goes out pretty quickly, and it doesnt even work if you have an overtorqued lug nut, that thing will never come off, you'd need to use the m18 to get it off.

[@YouTubeWeAllTube]

You're using the wrong battery to get the full power of the gen 2. You need to use a high output 5.0....

[@John.Esquivel5]

Yes the 5.0 high output is the way to go. I had the 3.0 batteries for the longest time and when I bought a pair of the 5.0 high output batteries, I could feel the power and speed difference significantly.

[@ThomasPfaff-p4g]

Paused at 5:44 and you guys don’t even have the impact on the nut removal mode. That’s the whole point of the 4th setting. You can clearly see zoomed in that you’re on mode 3 which is for TIGHTENING.

[@abhiT569]

I was working on my recently bought rust bucket WRX and got the M18 2967- 1/2 inch as these are lifelong tools and I know I will always encounter bigger rustier fastners. It was overkill but now I have a tool for life and I will definitely get a stubby at some point for smaller work. Also it was the first tool I have named since it deserves one. I call it the “Behemoth!”.

[@Mjk10957]

I have just joined the miliwaukee club now , the wife got me the M12 thunder bolt set it has the gen 1 stubby , electric rachet , 2 amp and 6amp battery and some really nice case. Got to upgrade all my 12v line now , has i was using Parkside on my 12v and dewalt on 18v tools , so from now on all my 12v will be miliwaukee and my 18v line will be dewalt

[@cloudy4872]

Apparently it only makes advertised power with the high output xc5.0, coincidentally the most expensive battery..

[@chazparker2488]

Torque test channel, if you want to see actual numbers and differences

[@genxiong2695]

Real world is a better demonstration. I have the gen 1 stubby and all these youtubers post numbers ranging from 200-400 for gen1 back then. So heck with all these numbers if I only I can still break a nut.

[@g8beast679]

@@genxiong2695 Yeah, those damn tool review channels that everyone loves, do reviews to upsell a product. TTC test results showed that this new stubby can do 408 ft lbs breakaway while Shop Tools Review tested at 600 or 650 ft lbs. Which is it? I doubt these can break a real world nut at 200 ft lbs

[@g8beast679]

Not real world. Yeah see TTC, but listen to closing notes on its flaws

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

Have been testing it for the last 6 weeks and it goes into Safe Mode real fast and gets hotter then my FLEX QUICK EJECT

[@PoorManMods]

@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY really????

[@g8beast679]

I tell ya, its all hype

[@Alex-gn7wd]

@@g8beast679lol u don’t work on cars that is for sure

[@g8beast679]

@@Alex-gn7wd Oh really, you sure do know what i do better i than i know what i do. I completely dismantelled and put together the engine using the m12 brushed ratchet and m12 gen 1 stubby. And also work on my other 3 cars.

[@Alex-gn7wd]

@@g8beast679 use 5.0 hight output

[@kevindodge4525]

I beg to differ, as a full time mechanic using the new one with a 5-6amp battery makes a big difference

[@novaxrc7513]

Just asking from curiosity, the new stubby doesn’t have screws through the grip to open it during repair. They don’t want us going in there anymore?

[@PoorManMods]

Good catch! I didn't even notice that.

[@jonathansaindon788]

Also the screws on the new M12 are using loctite

[@g8beast679]

Here in Canada, this highly anticipated tool of the year with monster torque went on a 31% off at $178 for the last 2 months. Looks like Milwaukee designed this tool, put it on sale to profit off the HO batteries.

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

And i have the 3/8 and the PIN DETENT between the both of them $515 and have the 3/8 gen 1 now i hust need the PROTECTIVE BOOT for booth of them

[@PoorManMods]

@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY heck yeahhhh

[@user-ld6wo4rv8h]

About your torque tests, you need to apply each tool for the same amount of time. Time affects the final torque. 5, 10, 15 seconds is what torque-test channel uses. You won't get to the maximum torque after 3 seconds. 5 seconds is typically considered "working torque" but to get max torque you need either 10 or 15 seconds.

[@nathanzavala4288]

I don’t have a stubby so I ordered the new one still haven’t gotten it as of yet still waiting on acme tools to ship it out they said in November 😢

[@uria711]

From what I’ve read, that’s kind of how acme does business

[@nathanzavala4288]

@@uria711dang well I won’t be ordering from them after this. What sights do you recommend? To order from

[@uria711]

@@nathanzavala4288 northern tool

[@mindtrix1k]

Same. When I ordered they said mid October, then nothing. I emailed support and they told me mid November 🙄

[@nathanzavala4288]

@@mindtrix1kmine just shipped this morning got an email finally after months of waiting

[@markeastep7172]

I have been Wanting to buy one of these ! Thanks for the tips !! Love your videos!

[@PoorManMods]

@@markeastep7172 thank you!! Hopefully this video helps with your decision

[@chriscas-ToolAficionado]

Thanks for that! I'll spend my money on some other tool purchase.

[@kaichung8237]

You didn't use the new High Output battery for your test.

[@vizcarraawd]

I bought the Hight Output 5.0 Battery for my old Stubby. Will see if it ups it a bit in torque. It does 99% of the jobs in my vehicles as is already.

[@markk3948]

It totally is worth it. The new one actually has about 150 ft lbs more of break away torque. As tested. It also holds the battery alot tighter so it doesnt drop out of the tool

[@MrDakkyz]

you need HO batteries to get the performance.

[@ensom]

i was hoping to see you use your torque wrench to tighten the bolt to 550 ft-lbs, and then see if both the new and old stubby could remove them. the new stubby may be optimized for break away torque, since it doesn't have a ton more tightening power. i would still buy the new one since i much prefer the tri led w/ warmer color temp & a bit more power.

[@StlSinger]

Tried my new m12 stubby today. Brand new with a 5.0 ho battery. Would not break a golf r lug nuts away. Nor the crank pulley. I’m shocked. Probably going to return it

[@johnny4713ify]

Do you have the 3/8 or 1/2 Stubby? I ask because my Gen 1 3/8 Stubby sometimes struggles and won’t remove my SUV’s lug nuts torqued to 140 ft-lbs when using deep 3/8 impact sockets. However, as soon as I switch to a 3/8 to 1/2 adapter and use a standard 1/2 deep impact socket, it removes them easily. I believe the added mass helps with the impact. That said, I’ve worked on some vehicles where even my mid-torque couldn’t remove the lug nut, so I had to use my high-torque impact wrench. You’d be surprised how tightly tire shops install them. Not sure were you live, but I've seen a Video where a Dewalt DCF900 couldn't remove a 14mm seized bolt off a shock. I believe she lives in Canada so dealing with rust on the daily really sucks 😂

[@StlSinger]

@@johnny4713ify I have the new 3/8 stubby. Which is rated at 500ft/lbs. maybe I need to mess with different sockets. But even then why should I have to when it’s rated that high. Maybe I need to go to 1/2 inch

[@johnny4713ify]

@@StlSinger I can tell you my Gen 1 3/8 Stubby is still my go-to tool, even though it’s only rated at 250 ft-lbs. I prefer the 3/8 platform mainly because I can squeeze into tighter spaces using 3/8 impact adapters. For example, swivel sockets-sometimes a regular 1/2-inch swivel can’t fit the same space because it’s too thick or just too big. I work on a variety of vehicles daily, so I’m constantly navigating different engine bays and suspension setups. I’m picking up a 1/2-inch version of the Gen 2 to complement my original 3/8. I’ve found that once I attach a 3/8 swivel-or especially a 3/8 extension-it loses power. The only way to boost it is to use a 3/8 to 1/2 adapter and go with a regular 1/2 swivel or extension, if the space allows. Unless your lug nuts are seized, the 3/8 should have no problem zipping them off. Just yesterday, I worked on a Toyota Camry and a VW Beetle and took off the lug nuts with my 3/8. Yours are only around 90 ft-lbs, right? Whenever possible, try to use 3/8 deep sockets-the more mass, the better. Lastly, give the 3/8 to 1/2 adapter trick a try on your lug nuts today. Let me know how it goes!

[@Alex-gn7wd]

Return it fast , I’ll keep it because I’m a mechanic

[@g8beast679]

@@Alex-gn7wd me too. I am a mechanic too, but I will return it fast. Shitty mode change.

[@miatafied]

I’ve had the gen1 stubby for 6 years and it has been a phenomenal tool. It’s my go to for everything, it’s extremely useful for all sorts of different tasks.

[@tx9914]

I just watched a torque test of this m12 gen2 stubby impact and it only made 250ftlbs vs the mid torque 500! No wonder your test was valid brother because the stubby never made 500!

[@g8beast679]

Its all hype man. Milwaukee sure knows how to sell to their fan boys who wont accept a single negative for their tools. And they know it is not difficult. Putting down, "double the power", 550 ft lbs without mentioning opportunity for them to sell their new HO. It is not compact than dcf921 with a powerstack. Believe me, i have the gen2 3/8 and the DCF921. With 5HO it is similar size with a shitty grip, shitty trigger and mode change. If i can get gen1 at a good price, the new one is being returned.

[@MrRustedmetal]

gotta time it proper testing. The torque rating is based on impacting for 10secs, I think.

[@user-ld6wo4rv8h]

The new one gets almost all its added performance only when using the 5Ah battery. The 6Ah battery uses cells that put out 15A each, so 30A when in 2 rows. The 5Ah has cells that put out 25A each, or 50A total. It is 100% worth the upgrade but you need to use it with the 5Ah battery only. The circuit is programmed to take advantage of the 5Ah battery's higher amp output.

[@elibrown9442]

Shallow socket will tighten and loosen more than that of a deep socket

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

According to TTC tests the only way this thing makes more power is to upgrade to the newest most expensive batteries like almost every other milwaukee tool theyve been putting out. Otherwise, not worth it if youre gonna use your old standard batts. I keep a 1/2 stubby in the garage and i have a 3/8 one in my truck with a 1/2 adapter so i can use whatever sockets on the road if needed. I personally find the new way to change modes a downgrade.

[@victorhoyt4352]

That's only partially true. Yes, to get the most out the new stubby, you need the 5ah HO battery, but with a XC4.0 and XC6.0 you still get more power than the Gen 1 stubby usingan equivalent battery size. The Gen 2 is more powerful than the Gen 1 with any battery size, but to get the most out of the Gen 2, you need a high output battery, which stands true for any power tool. No matter the brand or tool, a high output battery will produce more power.

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

@@victorhoyt4352 it's not a measurable difference in reality with the old batteries. Only on a graph. Again,Not worth it if youre not upgrading all your batteries too.

[@victorhoyt4352]

@@evictioncarpentry2628 How is it not a measurable difference? Lol. Everything is measurable 1st, and 2nd yes, the Gen 2 does 100 ft lbs more using an XC4.0 and XC6.0 battery then a Gen 1 and nearly 200ft lbs more using a HO 5.0 then a Gen 1. You're lost bro.

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

@@victorhoyt4352 I said it's only measurable on a graph, im only speaking of old batt vs old batt. Not sure why you keep bringing up HO specs. You're not gonna notice that in a real situation. Whatever you need to tell yourself to cope. Take the mil-cock-ey out of your mouth.

[@devol01fm]

Why did you choose 1/2 ?

[@PoorManMods]

@@devol01fm because I need an impact in larger fasteners far more often than smaller fasteners, getting the 3/8 impact is a waste

[@devol01fm]

@@PoorManMods like what?

[@faststang85]

​@@PoorManMods no it's not😂 I use my 3/8 m18 as much or more than my 1/2 m18 high torque. I know that 1st gen m12 won't even hold a candle to the 1st gen m18, plus the run time is longer with an m18. I can go days sometimes without needing to recharge with an xc5.0

[@mike_0213]

I was so PISSED when these new GEN 2 stubby's came out because I just bought all 3 M12's like 6 months ago and then saw the new ones. The ONLY thing I like about the new ones is the 3-way lights in the front of the gun. Other then that I really do not see any reason to upgrade my guns.

[@JFlywheel]

I know man, I bought mine last year and have only used it a few times. I barely broke free the caliper bolt on my 3500 with the stubby, my HO 1/2" wouldn't fit. I had to use a torch and got lucky it came loose at all (spec is 274 ftlbs, but it's been there a while). Seems getting new better batteries would be one way to get more power based on comments above. But the new one with the new battery might be just what I need. Or maybe a mid size, but I think I will run into the same fitment issues. It's also my only M12 too, I have M18 for everything else, so it's a real bummber this came out so soon after I finaly purchased one.

[@mike_0213]

@@JFlywheel Yea I just sold my 1/4" and 3/8" GEN 1 onn EBAY and now have enough to buy the new one. 100% the 5.0+ batteries on these impacts is the way to go, I broke loose the lugs on my F450 bucket truck with the 1/2" stubby with no problems, the GEN 1. I had all 3 but I kept the 1/2" and now goign to just buy the 3/8" GEN 2

[@JFlywheel]

@@mike_0213 nice i might do the same. I had to heat the wheel hub on our 3500 to get the stubby to break the caliper bolt free. Barely worked and my larger impacts would not fit. The new stubby 3/8 would have been perfect.

[@mike_0213]

@@JFlywheel I might be selling the right angle impact too because I just boguht it because I wanted it and I have used it a few times but I went a little crazy this past year on Milwaukee power tools that I really do not need but just wanted.

[@JFlywheel]

@mike_0213 i probably won't sell anything unless the new one goes on sale. After all just getting the new battery sounds like it gets you most of the way there anyways. Kinda like my older heavy duty impact. I put a newer HO battery on it and it helped it get the caliper bolt off. The original battery didn't have enough grunt. One of the new forge batteries would probably improve it's specs further. The post above says the old one can do 400ftlbs off the new battery. That's probably good enough for my use. I was impressed it was able to do what it can as it is but at 400 it would take care of most tasks a small impact is required for.

[@DanyalMondol-cj1nd]

Bro you need the ho 5amp batteries to see the power difference

[@JoeCnNd]

550 nut busting, tightening is probably the same as the other which isn't a problem.

[@harlanborders943]

From what I saw on TTC I don’t think it will last long. From the way they built it. They showed them both took apart the gen 2 lost a lot of bracing not much metal holding everything in place.

[@bwilson7990]

Love this video, and quite a bit of good laughs making it.

[@PoorManMods]

@@bwilson7990 heck yeah brotha 🤟🤟 ♥️

[@brandomerrr]

I just picked up a gen 1 stubby from my local Home Depot for $100 bucks, tool only. Going to use the other $100 bucks for batteries lol.

[@miguelacosta4509]

6:16 is the best

[@PoorManMods]

@@miguelacosta4509 😆😆🤟

[@darrenhenderson7076]

I suggest a dewalt mid range will cover everything you need

[@johnnelwhite]

I just ordered the gen 2 3/8 to replace my 10+ year old bulky craftsman 19.2

[@PoorManMods]

@@johnnelwhite oh yes that will be a serious upgrade 🙌

[@justinhemmings-hastings1511]

Needs the 5 amp hour high power battery

[@darrenhenderson7076]

If you dont have cp 5.0 ah battery new stubby is same as old stubby with all batteries except co 5.0 which cost more than the tool does

[@yorselrus1996]

The motor is significantly bigger, so how could it possibly be lighter

[@keysautorepair6038]

Milwaukee lied about it the only way it’s better is with a 5amp battery.

[@pascalbeutel7853]

you need to use the HO 5.0 battery than you see the difrence

[@PoorManMods]

@@pascalbeutel7853 off video a did and didn't notice a bit difference, but I'll continue to use it and see if my opinion changes on it

[@kevindodge4525]

I’d recommend doing research before doing a small test

[@g8beast679]

Not worth the upgrade. All those complaining, its Gen1 stubby that requires steroids to reach full potential. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@yorselrus1996]

The generation two stubby is power hungry. You have to run the big boy batteries.If you want the power output you seek

[@OUTILSCLIPSQC]

The gen 2 stubby hit the number he claim with the 5ah ho battery

[@hachiback6018]

I been waiting to get this.

[@PoorManMods]

@@hachiback6018 heck yeah 🤟🤟

[@Leo-fz4qy]

😂everybody knows these m12 tools all needs high output battery to operate beautiful torque numbers even the m12 ratchets needs it for increasing RPM. In the end i still stick with my first old ridgid octane mid torque , since i got the ridgid right angle impact wrench so i will skip this one. If u havnt got any impact wrench this new m12 is definitely a good tool to add into ur tool box.

[@spencerjohnson1499]

Get a 5ah high output the world of difference

[@g8beast679]

Totally agree. If you have none and are on m12, get the new. But, if you have the old, not worth spending an additional $200 for something that is not noticeable. By the way, hate the new mode change. Instead of one touch using the second hand, use one hand, but multiple touches to change mode; I will pass.

[@PoorManMods]

Yes agreed 👍

[@tulta3631]

Its worth it on sale, full price meh.

[@PoorManMods]

Agreeed

[@maikolim37]

Lame; You didn't take out lug nuts from a car tire?

[@PoorManMods]

@@maikolim37 that's easy for both of them

[@keysautorepair6038]

The new stubby is a turd don’t buy the hype.

[@Joef1-g5q]

You're a liar , not the tool. Sr. New stubby, it's more powerful with the 5amp.

[@PoorManMods]

i didnt lie about anything, i showed the results of my test with the batteries I had

[@chase727simmons]

To utilize the full power, you have to have a high output 5.0 battery..noob.

[@Alex-gn7wd]

The worse testing video, nobody is saying gen 2 is not worth upgrading, not a single video in KZbin

[@PoorManMods]

@@Alex-gn7wd so should I repeat what they say or give my own thoughts from my own experience/experiment

[@Alex-gn7wd]

@ yea but doesn’t change the fact that u are testing the inaccurate data, like u telling people that blue is actually black