Pop Punk Vocals: The Most Important Thing You MUST Do

[@gibsondude07ify]

I've learned so much from you man. From guitars to vocals, you have taught me so much. Thank you

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

That’s amazing to hear! Thank you so much!

[@nealpage5732]

I'm a veteran punk guitarist, singer & songwriter. I've recorded with Don Zientara and Pete Steinkopf. Terry, This video is MAGIC. I record at home for demoing before going to spend the $$$. The challenge with demoing is that if its recorded poorly the ideas won't translate when its time to spend and they may get lost. I've learned more in 10 minutes here than in a month of nonsense garbage videos. This is it. Well Done!! Now a loyal subscriber. Do you offer private lessons or consultations?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Dude! Thank you so much! I’m stoked the video has been helpful! And it means alot considering you’ve recorded with the dude from Bouncing Souls! I’d love to hear your stuff when it’s done!

[@mix1ro]

thank you for the straight to the point tutorial. exactly what i was looking for.

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Awesome! Really glad it’s been helpful! Thank you 🙏🏻

[@thepreseason]

do the main vocal and doubles have the same or similar vocal chains? and how about volume levels? i would imagine the doubles might be lower and maybe EQed different but not sure. Thanks for the video, very informative!

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Thank you! Y’know what, it’s a strange one! Some songs seem to work really well with similar vocal chains. And yes I would have the doubles lower as they’re more for texture. However I do find that sometimes it works better to roll off the top end of the doubles and then compress them and leave it at that. I guess it depends on if using a similar vocal chain was causing build ups in certain spots or the ‘s’ sibilance might get out of hand

[@willytonezone]

About to record a punk band and this video is helping me out a ton. Simple and explained well. Thank you

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Love it dude! Thank you! Really glad the videos helpful!

[@phildimopoulos6010]

bro I've been using your vids to record my punk band's demo 😂 .. how did this go btw?

[@willytonezone]

@@phildimopoulos6010 it was my first time really recording live drums and they sounded not the best lol that was the biggest let down. So we may gotta use midi drums to finish it off.

[@phildimopoulos6010]

@@willytonezone ahh damn! I've seen live drums being recorded multiple times now over the years, but only now realizing how much effort actually goes into it. I haven't tried yet myself but I could imagine getting irritated that the recordings I get from the mics set up won't sound even close to SD3 quality haha... also, I imagine the mic bleed from other drums would be difficult to navigate eh? will you be posting the finished product when complete? I'm stoked to hear it when you're done!

[@eriksanchez4482]

So for the verse… did you pan the layers right and left? Or is it just one layer in the middle after the main vocal?

[@Daniel_23223]

Great video 🔥but can you make a video on how to mix the pop punk vocals?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Thank you! Got a video uploading this week but I’ll make sure the one after that is a pop punk vocal mixing video 👍🏻

[@Daniel_23223]

@@TerryBeckleyRecording awesome thanks cant wait

[@DJKuroh]

The only thing I hated about my band. Getting them to do overdubs, gang vocals.... anything outside of lead and harmony.... was impossible. Now I work with a pop vocalist who sends me 10 vocal tracks without a second thought. Some artists are stuck in their ways.

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

I feel your pain for sure! Some artists feel like it’s overproducing their song which I guess comes down to your philosophy as a musician or artist? Sounds like this pop artist is a dream to work with!

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

I feel your pain for sure! Some artists feel like it’s overproducing their song which I guess comes down to your philosophy as a musician or artist? Sounds like this pop artist is a dream to work with!

[@josedelacruz1270]

Awesome info. Do you have the vocalist sing the harmony twice as well, like the main melody?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Thank you! And yes I would for choruses and big sections but I wouldn’t say it’s essential, just makes it wide

[@stevenwashabaugh3855]

Can you give me the link to the full song I wanna hear it sounds cool!!

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Hey thank you! I can give you the Spotify pre save, the songs out in a couple of weeks 👍🏻 distrokid.com/hyperfollow/longlve/how-far-ive-come

[@tilnowfl]

Hey man! Quick question - were the stereo vocal doubles recorded before this Logic file specifically? I ask because I didn't catch you pan the doubles left or right but saw the stereo doubles on one soundwave - great video btw! Super informative

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Thank you and yes, I bounced down a stereo pair of vocal takes that were hard panned right and left with all the mix settings still applied. All the tracks in this video were taken out of the actual mix session especially for the video - I don’t bother doing that anymore, I just film the session 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@YourFavoriteJudy]

That song sounds like a banger

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Thanks buddy! Here’s a link to the song in case you wanted to give it a listen fanlink.to/Longlive

[@mike_tkgchs]

​@@TerryBeckleyRecording was gonna ask for the track cuz it's a banger! And thanks mate for the endless amount of tips and directions, i just did my first full vocal track yesterday and the doubling and harmonies definitely put things into perspective when i ask myself "why does my take sound so bland"? 😂

[@eriksanchez4482]

Are the main vocals doubled as well? Or are they layered with the doubles panned to the right and left?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

In the chorus the main vocals are doubled, so it’s 1 main vocal take in the middle with a double panned left and another double panned right. There’s also 2 harmony takes, one panned left and the other panned right. For the verse I believe it’s just the one take but I double every other line, but it’s just the one double and it’s panned centrally. Hopefully that makes some sense?

[@Destin4Life]

How do you do the double ?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

I would record another take of the main vocals, as locked in as possible with the main vocal take. I’d do that a second time if I wanted stereo doubles, then pan them hard left and right. Mix wise - I used to mix the doubles exactly the same as the main but I don’t do it that way now. What I’ll do instead in compress them a little harder than the main but leave out most of the EQ. Sometimes I’ll even use a low pass filter quite dramatically to reduce all the sibilant information and stuff that isn’t really what you need in a double. I’d then drop the doubles by at least 6db, usually around 9db. Of course, you need the doubles to sound super tight with the main vocal 👍🏻

[@digitalmarketinghumans]

Hi quick question- is this an older version of Logic Pro? I started using Logic and didn't see I had Logic Pro X in mine. Also what audio interface do you use? Sounds really good. Also loved this tutorial, thank you so much for the vocal layering tip!

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Yeah I believe so, I’m too scared to update most things! A couple of years ago I saw Will Putney using logic 9 so i stopped feeling guilty for not updating haha. It’s an Audient ID4 mk ii and the vocals were recorded straight into it. And thank you so much for saying! Glad it helped in some way!

[@stevewills735]

fantastic! What band is this. cheers!

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Hey 👋🏻 thank you! The band is called Longlive, the songs aren’t out yet but the first couple are being released early December 👍🏻

[@pyramix3049]

Is the harmony the 5th or 3rd of the chord?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

It’ll be mostly based around the 3rd yeah. I do find sometimes that the 3rd just doesn’t work as well but I would always go for the 3rd first and only adapt or use 5ths if the 3rds fail

[@UB.S]

Amazing! Was this recorded at home or in a studio?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Thank you dude! They were all recorded at home using a Shure SM7b

[@baileywillsxo]

Dope track

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Thank you buddy!

[@jacco2673]

for the doubles do you use the same vocal effect chain as for the main vocal?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Hey! Yes mostly it’s the same plugin chain with the doubles. I might take off any saturation as it can add up a bit but 9/10 times the compression and EQ will be exactly the same. Harmonies I will sometimes tweak the EQ slightly but other than that they’re usually the same also 👍🏻

[@tpaulov]

How many steps down are the vocals for the harmony in the 3rd layer?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Sorry buddy I must’ve missed this question! I can’t quite remember for sure, I usually start with 3 steps and then tweak the odd note from there

[@stevenneufeldmusic]

nice!

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Thanks dude!

[@guitarcleveland]

How were those guitars done? Were they recorded from a real guitar amplifier or an amp simulator? They sound great.

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

In this song the were DIs straight into a Audient iD4 and the amp sim was presonus Ampire (which is mega underrated). It would’ve been the Marshall JCM 800/900 amp. Nowadays I use Archetype Nolly from Neural DSP 👍🏻

[@guitarcleveland]

@@TerryBeckleyRecording Thanks. I have Bias Amp 2 and it definitely doesn't sound that good. Nice job.

[@hauntedhotdog]

@@guitarcleveland Neural DSP stuff sounds really great, but I also have Bias and I do in fact still use it. Biggest issue with Bias is the impulse responses used for the cab are mediocre. I bought some impulse responses from York Audio and it made a really big difference. The Mesa TRAD impulses sound terrific and I think I paid only 15 bucks or something for them. While I can easily recommend any Neural DSP plugin I use like the Cali, Nolly, or Petrucci, if you don't have the cash but want to upgrade your amp sim experience grab any of the York Audio Mesa impulses and import them into Bias they make a difference. I think they might even have a free one. Cheers.

[@MagnetDzn]

What is imaging?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Hey, sorry it’s been a while since I made this video but I would assume I meant the stereo image. Which would be the spread of everything across the 2 channels or speakers. So with vocal double tracks and harmonies, I would have a main vocal central in the image and the doubles and harmonies out in the sides of the image (so one only in the left speaker and one only in the right speaker) therefore creating a wide stereo imagine. I hope that made some sort of sense!

[@joshplays1324]

What do you mean by paning left and right ? How do I do that

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Sorry buddy! Didn’t explain myself too well, first KZbin video and all! What I mean is to record 2 extra exact doubles of the vocal and pan them out 1 all the way to the left and the other all the way out to the right. Or if it’s harmonies, record 2 doubles and pan those out all the way left and right. Hopefully that makes more sense?

[@joshplays1324]

@@TerryBeckleyRecording how do I pan them ? Like expample when wearing earphones do you mean when I can hear one track through my left ear and the other track through my right ?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

What DAW software do you use? There will be a pan knob above the fader of your track. You can dial that left or right and it will place that track in the left or right speaker depending on how far you turn it

[@Rednaxela433]

SHOW US THE CHAIN!!

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Hey buddy! The vocal mix for this song is in this video: Pop Punk Vocal Plugin Chain (State Champs, Knuckle Puck, Silverstein) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKTCYp-aqbunkNk

[@Rednaxela433]

@@TerryBeckleyRecording sorry i just saw this, thanks budd❤️

[@Rednaxela433]

Lots of plug-ins I don’t have, you don’t have any a video with stock plugins?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

@@Rednaxela433 I can always make a video with stock plugins? Do you use logic?

[@Rednaxela433]

@@TerryBeckleyRecording yes please! I do, would love that dude, I love the outcome of the vocals

[@yayish]

can you do that in bandlab?

[@TerryBeckleyRecording]

Hey 👋🏻 I had a look as I hadn’t heard of bandlab. It’s just an online DAW that is designed around collaboration right? So I would imagine all your basic functions will be there?

[@TheCrimsonGhost677]

if you know how to mix for the style youre making, then bandlab can be used like this.

[@Spotifywillchanel]

that inro the raw version sounds so much better