Pop up or daylight your drainage pipe? Pop-up emitter kills flow. Don't use pop up emitters

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Gate City Foundation Drainage

Gate City Foundation Drainage

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@SeanBaker
@SeanBaker 2 ай бұрын
Miguel was so eager and ready to learn.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
He's a good one 👍
@dadabetic
@dadabetic 2 ай бұрын
He's got a good eye for where the camera is looking and what we want to see!
@mdnt_ramble7
@mdnt_ramble7 3 күн бұрын
Most likely but they lucked out, yes, those underground utilities are to be at a certain depth or a certain amount of cover, but running a trencher right over them like that gas and electric pretty negligent work just hand dig a spot hole with a shovel there and we put eyes on them. I’m actually kind of surprised he did that. I know this guy does good work.
@beauthomas7285
@beauthomas7285 2 ай бұрын
The original installer probably stopped where they did because they got it located and knew there were underground utilities that they didn't want to deal with in the event they were shallow. Your extra effort makes all the difference!
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
thank you thomas! This job was unfinished and we polished it off for the homeowner. 👍
@bahopik
@bahopik Ай бұрын
In my state you can't discharge rain water on public streets, what original installer did was acceptable. Maybe it's time to get a slightly bigger coring bit and make a jig to hold core drill so that a guy doesn't have to risk his boots or feet (we core drill in different instances, but use commercially Ava core drill stands)
@randyriggs5463
@randyriggs5463 11 күн бұрын
Nice job on taking it out to the street. Thanks for the information on the pop up emitters. Looks the original contractor tried to save money by going cheap.
@ckrampen22
@ckrampen22 24 күн бұрын
Love work environments like this… willingness to teach AND willingness to learn.. it’s a pretty rare combo
@RobDavidson1201
@RobDavidson1201 Ай бұрын
Miguel is awesome!!! He brings a whole new character to the job!
@scottbrady6795
@scottbrady6795 Ай бұрын
19:00 here in Ireland you can buy a slip coupler, which is like a regular coupler without the little ridge in the middle. Slide it on the pipe, set the two pipes together, then slide it over the joint. Perfect for situations like this.
@michaelnaak
@michaelnaak 2 ай бұрын
Man, if I was going to install a pop-up emitter, I would have at least taken it all the way to the curb. Great work!
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
That would have worked too!
@barrygrant2907
@barrygrant2907 2 ай бұрын
But look at all the money they saved stopping 15 feet short.
@steverusie6986
@steverusie6986 2 ай бұрын
I have never understood why anyone would use the pop-up! After every rainstorm it will leave sitting water, and when the top comes off makes a breading ground for mosquito’s! Great fix!
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
I think because they are sold at lowes people think that's the right way to do it. Or the mosquitos have a hold on the marketing.
@MookieMan1
@MookieMan1 2 ай бұрын
Many people drill holes in the 90 so it drains after
@jasonfournier
@jasonfournier Ай бұрын
A lot of towns do not allow sending water to the street or any part of the drainage system. They require you terminate 10 or so feet from the curb.
@HunterTN
@HunterTN Ай бұрын
A lot of places require a permit to cut the curb in this fashion. If you are doing DIY at popup drain just behind the curb works fine. Drill a small weep hole in the elbow and you won't have any standing water.
@Debbiebabe69
@Debbiebabe69 Ай бұрын
In many places, if you divert stormwater to the street, expect Prison.
@82dupont
@82dupont 2 ай бұрын
I have learned so much from your channel and it’s why I subscribed. Unfortunately I couldn’t daylight my sump pump drainage pipe, it goes into my back yard but town ordinance doesn’t allow me to flood my neighbors yard so I had to use pop up.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! I don't have a problem with a popup on a pressurized line, so your application sounds great to me!
@FNGMOTO
@FNGMOTO 17 күн бұрын
Spray the outside of the pipe with dawn dish soap and water mixture it lubes the pipe makes it easier putting in tight spaces.
@Rusty_Gold85
@Rusty_Gold85 Ай бұрын
I was yelling into the screen . "Cut it the middle, join from up high or a kink , join together , thump the ends to push the joins together ". We did that all the time in telecoms when we had to install a Comms pit over a already existing pipe or it was coming under a drive way together ( Perpendicular to your work )
@Checkmate2500
@Checkmate2500 15 күн бұрын
OG Ronald finally taking a vacation
@muggins9389
@muggins9389 2 ай бұрын
One of my favorite things is when you put the camera in front of the curb drain, and we hear, then watch the water flow out. i don't know why, but it's so satisfying, it's like here it is, proof it works, instant validation of your work, i love it. Another great video Shawn.
@monsantofungaro5704
@monsantofungaro5704 2 ай бұрын
You always do such a nice job coring those curbs. Another great job!
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@nick540g
@nick540g Ай бұрын
Good to see you back in action - it's been a while. Ques 1: did you intend to aim the core drill downward - forming a V to match up on the other side? 2: why do you always backfill 100% of the dirt? That's 190 cu in per foot of pipe that you don't need.
@davewoosencraft8376
@davewoosencraft8376 2 ай бұрын
Curious as to why you wouldn’t use a slightly bigger core drill like 4 5/8 or 4 3/4? That would make it a lot easier to fit the pipe through. Perhaps they don’t make drills those sizes?
@jascharl
@jascharl Ай бұрын
Ah, a good ol fashion curb coring. We haven’t been blessed to see one of these in a while.
@veela420
@veela420 Ай бұрын
lol, just watched a video by french drain man where he used pop up emitters near a sidewalk and i was like hmm this will cause some issues down the road. Now i switch to your channel and pop up emitters no no hits my face. what you said makes total sense. I think he hates it when people mention you in his comment section :D
@tycopple8556
@tycopple8556 Ай бұрын
Thank you! I tell my landscaper brothers time and time again to avoid the popups and the black corrugated. They overgrow so easily, clog with leaves, shingle stone etc and people dont want to maintain them. Worse case scenario should always be a 1x1ft. catch basin with a dry well of stone in it everytime!
@SparkysGarage
@SparkysGarage Ай бұрын
A Fernco and some lube works well at all pinch points like that. Love the content Also, Zip a sawz all parallel with the pipe and put the cut in the pipe at the top of the curb hole. That will give an extra 16th of an inch to get the pipe in. Less likely to pop the concrete or damage the pipe. wont effect flow at all either.
@firstnamesurname1743
@firstnamesurname1743 2 ай бұрын
Great video - a couple of clever solutions needed for such a short length of job!
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
I was sweating it for awhile there.
@ryanomac27
@ryanomac27 Ай бұрын
Damn, apparently notifications not working again, didn't see this video till this morning. Thanks for the vid Shawn!
@mspeir
@mspeir 2 ай бұрын
You're alive! 🥰
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Yep!
@curtw8827
@curtw8827 Ай бұрын
I had some yard drains put in between some of our Condos due to poor ground sloping. The pop-ups installed by the contractor got sucked up by the large mowers and chopped off. I changed them to drain covers and fastened them in place with a couple of SS screws. Problem solved.
@whip205inthebam3
@whip205inthebam3 Ай бұрын
Shawn, WTG you guys great job!
@urbanawoodproject3123
@urbanawoodproject3123 2 ай бұрын
You can work your core drill back and forth and side to side a bit to make your hole just slightly larger. That would help a lot in getting the pipe through the hole and reducing the chances that the concrete busts out.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
We do that when coring through plastic sometimes. It helps to wallow out the hole.
@Daihatsu_Hijet
@Daihatsu_Hijet 2 ай бұрын
👍🏻 😊
@ricktieken7025
@ricktieken7025 Ай бұрын
Good to have you back! I always enjoy watching your drainage videos. I would certainly want to know where that water is going from the other downspout if that was my house. Would be an easy job to tie it into the one you ran to the curb.
@thomasschanz7783
@thomasschanz7783 2 ай бұрын
Miguel does the "leaning-on-a-shovel" expertly 😂
@raydoactive
@raydoactive 2 ай бұрын
Miguel was a lawyer in a past life.
@barrygrant2907
@barrygrant2907 2 ай бұрын
@@raydoactive Union guy.
@trent1755
@trent1755 2 ай бұрын
He's used to being El jefe...
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
I take direction from him on concrete jobs and I'm the one leaning on a shovel 👍
@bradfordanger5196
@bradfordanger5196 2 ай бұрын
​@@GCFD I thought he was familiar, if he's been in your videos with the concrete jobs. Awesome!
@Bigbacon
@Bigbacon 2 ай бұрын
Sometimes you dont have a choice. I have a wooded property and the only way to get the water out was to run the pipe to the esige if the woods (down slope) and use tge popup vecause cutting into the woods was not an option without a ton a work. The water all flows away from the house anyway so it works. I just clean them out every so often.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
That's a great instance of where a pop up might be a good option. Thanks for sharing BB
@coenfilm
@coenfilm 2 ай бұрын
Always enjoy your videos Shawn. Nice to see Miguel working with you. Maybe some kind of a tracking tool could help you find where the pipe goes. But you would use it so rarely might not be worth the money.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Always a pleasure coen!
@Renatousa17
@Renatousa17 23 күн бұрын
I enjoy watching your videos,
@Jetpac74
@Jetpac74 2 ай бұрын
Great video Shawn.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Jetpac!
@H-M-2025
@H-M-2025 2 ай бұрын
10/10 as usual.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@chrishelms1967
@chrishelms1967 Ай бұрын
So what Im hearing...... ALWAYS use corrugated pipe and pop up emitters 😎👍
@9fa4108f
@9fa4108f 2 ай бұрын
Miguel is gonna be doing everything by himself in no time
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
He does a lot
@smg8498
@smg8498 Ай бұрын
The coring bit was on a down angle from street to yard which would cause the bind. Maybe should have put a 2x4 under coring bit to get the hole a little more level. Would have had less of a bind. Could send pipe into core hole from yard side then drive it back towards coupling.
@Stratos53100
@Stratos53100 Ай бұрын
Great to see Miguel again....Another one, Although i might say the lapse in time is starting to get too much..Did you get called for any assistance with the other storm ?
@tallslimpr
@tallslimpr 2 ай бұрын
Good content, learned a lot.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Talls!
@irvalfirestar6265
@irvalfirestar6265 2 ай бұрын
Welcome to the GCFD crew Miguel! You'll be a drainage pro in no time
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Hahah 👍
@LloydJones-p7e
@LloydJones-p7e 2 ай бұрын
Awesome job as usual, your helper needs to listen to what you’re telling him instead of going whole hog on something that’s going to get you or him hurt or equipment damaged. My opinion. Great video, just waiting for more.👍👍👍👍
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
He's a good one for sure Lloyd!
@robedwards2897
@robedwards2897 2 ай бұрын
Have you looked in to a pvc pipe oven? As an electrician I have used one for years. I was on a job recently and the site guys were using an oven to heat drain pipe for gutter drains.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
I've seen videos of hooking a hose or pipe directly to the exhaust of a machine and the heated gasses heat the plastic. I've never tried it though.
@jeremyvandeusen4317
@jeremyvandeusen4317 Ай бұрын
I’ve been trying to plan out for my downspouts without using pop ups. I really don’t have any place to put an outlet that wouldn’t be just a pile of trap rock in the yard. I keep saying to myself when looking at it, “what would Gate City do?” 😂
@whocares6698
@whocares6698 2 ай бұрын
Might want to switch that around at 5 mins lol Better to have it not need it then need it not have it
@vincentnardozza3191
@vincentnardozza3191 Ай бұрын
i have found candle wax works great on anything that needs to slide
@Henry_Jones
@Henry_Jones 2 ай бұрын
Pop ups just make the pipe hold water and debree, leading to clogs and potential freezing and rupture in the winter.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
They're just not a logical solution for those reasons Henry.
@curiouscat3384
@curiouscat3384 Ай бұрын
This may be Miguel's first day on the job with you but for sure it's not his first rodeo! He'll be supervising you soon :)
@trent1755
@trent1755 2 ай бұрын
Hey Shawn, why not just use a 4" fernco instead of fighting the last joint? It would give you the extra bend you need to follow the yards slope and your not beating the pipe in and out of the curb risking the concrete cracking. To me the extra $10 is well spent by the customer. The new white ones are only $14. Another thing I see used alot in copper plumbing pipes and electrical conduit are slip couplings. The PVC schedule 40/80 electrical conduit slip couplings are very expensive because they are raking the electric companies over the coals who in turn charge the customers. All you have to do to make one is take a $4 repair coupling and deburr the stop from the center of the pipe. This would allow you to use it as a slip coupler in situations like this where you can't wedge it in by lifting the pipe. I would use a 2-3" drum sander bit for a die grinder and hone the coupling out. The drain pipe is under no pressure so the PVC glue will take care of any scratches or voids. Anyways, just my 2 cents. Glad your still using the curb boring bits and doing it clean.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
We almost had to do that here! I like to at least try and get the schedule 40 through there before using the fernco. 👍
@briannem.6787
@briannem.6787 2 ай бұрын
I've never seen a pop-up emitter like that before, I guess they mightn't be sold where I live everything here seems to be PVC too, I never see that flexible pipe except in garden bed drainage. I guess australia does better plumbing
@damo7714
@damo7714 2 ай бұрын
I want to know where that other downspout runs to.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Same but I fear it disappears underground somewhere.
@jmwintenn
@jmwintenn 2 ай бұрын
gonna have to scope that other drain.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Yea for sure! It could be a problem
@trent1755
@trent1755 2 ай бұрын
@@GCFD probably still going to the sewer. I heard the. Owner say something about clay tile which is how they did it back then.
@wesley00042
@wesley00042 2 ай бұрын
I wouldn't trust communications. Around here, Spectrum spades a 2 inch deep slot in the turf and tucks the cable into that for the run from the curb to the house.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
They do the same thing around here..
@TomGriffith-l8f
@TomGriffith-l8f 2 ай бұрын
Nice video!
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Tom!
@aprev039
@aprev039 Ай бұрын
Hi Shawn, I keep getting ads on a handheld trencher. Kinda like a chainsaw. Ever try one? I’d imagine it’s fine for small runs and small yard space where a trencher can’t go but honestly, just use a shovel at that point.
@mbarrett99
@mbarrett99 2 ай бұрын
There might be a blockage further up towards the house. At least there's some flow now.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
I thought the same thing. It seemed like there should be more flow with so much fall and PVC.
@kenskip1
@kenskip1 2 ай бұрын
Shawn, Go easy on ole Miguel. He is like a fish out of water unless he has a trowel or a brush in his hands. Great video, Ken
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Haha!
@joedoakes8307
@joedoakes8307 27 күн бұрын
Put da vasoline on the hole , aka grease'er up for full insertion !
@Tony2tall
@Tony2tall 2 ай бұрын
Curious if a 4” PVC slip coupling is available? No stops is the middle of coupling.
@trent1755
@trent1755 2 ай бұрын
That's the same thing I commented on. They use them alot for electrical PVC conduit. I also suggested a 4" fernco.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Yes but I never have any on the truck!
@auser1922
@auser1922 2 ай бұрын
@@GCFD Go get some then! It's not the first time you needed these.
@raulmedina6960
@raulmedina6960 Ай бұрын
I use a rubber fitting in that situation
@wonniewarrior
@wonniewarrior Ай бұрын
Hello. What do you do with the slugs you core out ? Do you keep them displayed or are you saving them to make a new house of them ?
@terryhiggins9700
@terryhiggins9700 2 ай бұрын
What you mean is, a hard 90⁰ is fine turning left, right or down. But the hard 90⁰ that was installed was turned up acting like a dam.08
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
I couldn't have said it better Terry.
@macguy9
@macguy9 2 ай бұрын
My bet is you’ll be back there to solve that other drainpipe issue. I bet he sent the water underground.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
I was thinking that too but the homeowner wasn't too concerned.
@04spike
@04spike 2 ай бұрын
Shawn when fitting that pipe into the concrete why don't you put some soap in the concrete hole?
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
That would help it slide better for sure
@Kolin_622
@Kolin_622 Ай бұрын
You box truck woulb be another good video for organization shelves...
@wadewilson5296
@wadewilson5296 2 ай бұрын
This may be a stupid Idea but what if you tied into the existing pipe & then put the schedule 40 to schedule 30 adapter on the end that sticks in the curb?
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
That would work well because a piece of sch 30 would be a bit thinner to fit through the curb.
@alouisschafer7212
@alouisschafer7212 2 ай бұрын
Will you be back to sort out where the other downspout drains to. If I was the homeowner Id be concerned about that water going god knows where.
@trent1755
@trent1755 2 ай бұрын
Only one place it could go other than a dry well, the sewer. I'd say they tied into the clay tile system most likely originally used to drain into the sewer now illegal in most municipalities.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
The homeowner wasn't too concerned but I told him to call me if he needed me 👍
@diegojines-us9pc
@diegojines-us9pc 2 ай бұрын
could you show erosion from daylighting? damage to and by mower.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
We typically end the pipe somewhere where it won't erode. I do have a job where the homeowner wanted it daylighted into a natural area and then complained about the erosion. I will make that video sometime soon 👍
@DarkFenixPL
@DarkFenixPL 2 ай бұрын
To jak długo trwało wywiercenie krawężnika? Ciekawe gdzie leci druga rynna?
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
👍
@DiakosDelvin
@DiakosDelvin 2 ай бұрын
So when you say a hard 90 kills flow, is that just 90 single piece, or would 2x45's fail as well? Trying to expand my knowledge of drainage.
@Dave86953
@Dave86953 2 ай бұрын
He’s talking about the vertical 90 for the pop up.
@stt9895
@stt9895 2 ай бұрын
Using 2 45's instead of 90 help ease the flow and it's easier to clean if it gets clogged.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Great question! Like dave said above, the 90 going vertical is the problem here. We use 90s horizonatally if we have to, but prefer long sweep 90s, or two 45s like SST said above. It sounds like you have a pretty good knowledge so far Delvin! 👍
@roberthernandez1985
@roberthernandez1985 2 ай бұрын
Pop ups also freeze up north here
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Great point robert!
@Landofmagic678
@Landofmagic678 Ай бұрын
Long time no comment! this is not meant as a diss or anything along those lines. If your super busy and can’t upload fast enough, your channel won’t grow, its slowed down lately, and you can’t make decent money or expand your knowledge off your content However, I wonder if you hire an editor or someone to help you manage stuff if it would cost you more money or make you more. So it’s a matter of, have you thought of it? Just wondering, no hate
@R50_J0
@R50_J0 2 ай бұрын
Did you have to pull an encroachment permit? If so, how much did it cost?
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
I meant to talk about that. Here it's called a tie in permit and the city doesn't require it. The issues I have had is with an HOA when they need something written. The city doesn't have a way to give written permission so they always have to figure something out. The last one I called it back in after the work and never heard anything. Months later the inspector called me and I sent him the video from the job, which was around 31 mins long. 32 mins later the inspector called me and said he was signing off on it after watching the video!
@darkknight145
@darkknight145 2 ай бұрын
So the mystery remains where the first downspout drains to.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Yes it does. I told the homeowner to call me if he needed anything with that downspout.
@lnwolf41
@lnwolf41 Ай бұрын
A fairly simple job
@mshilko
@mshilko 2 ай бұрын
Is it really better to need it and not have it than to have it and not need it? Lol. @4:58.
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Words of wisdom 👍 haha
@auser1922
@auser1922 Ай бұрын
@@GCFD Like "Hindsight is 50/50"
@GaetanoCostanza
@GaetanoCostanza Ай бұрын
No water coming out. Camera time to inspect inside that pipe
@alangossett
@alangossett Ай бұрын
Lol I think you said the phrase backwards
@watermouse9296
@watermouse9296 Ай бұрын
Just curious, didnt Miguel own a concrete business? What happened with that?
@benjaminreinhardt259
@benjaminreinhardt259 2 ай бұрын
Sean.... that box truck box is a NIGHTMARE!! I am way too twitchy to work out of a mess like that. I have a pop up I put in my yard last fall. I didn't have the time/money to run it clear out to the ditch, just wanted to get it ran out past the flower bed I was putting in for the wife along the front of the house. This spring I'll dig it up and run it out to the ditch, probably 50'. I'm too cheap to rent a trencher, so I'll dig that by hand. Thanks for the reminder of the work I have ahead of my this spring. 😆
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
Rent a trencher and you can thank me later! The money spent will be save the wear and tear on your body. A contractor offered my friend $100 to dig a trench once because he knew my friend needed the money. I gave my friend $100 and told him to tell the other guy hell no. 👍
@851995STARGATE
@851995STARGATE Ай бұрын
Don't hurt yourself man, get a trencher and call before you dig it'll make it a quick less than 1 day rental
@Rusty_Gold85
@Rusty_Gold85 Ай бұрын
In Adelaide that is the only acceptable way its allowed by Council
@aidan284
@aidan284 2 ай бұрын
For usually being “full bubble”, from the kerb to the joiner is falling the wrong way so it will just hold water 😂 now it’s no better than corrugated pipe
@GCFD
@GCFD 2 ай бұрын
It must be an illusion? That was a very steep driveway.
@sagebrushnw485
@sagebrushnw485 2 ай бұрын
So frustrating to watch getting the pipe through the curb. Sorry.
@theonerealelvis7823
@theonerealelvis7823 21 күн бұрын
Really enjoy watching your videos but can’t figure out why you use blue glue. Master Plumber here.
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