PopCap, please listen to us...

[@koalapvz]

It's now known that PopCap has much more freedom under EA than previously thought. Additionally, PopCap is the actual developer making the game, EA is just the publisher. There's a video somewhere of a PvZ2 developer confirming that PopCap made its own choice internally to add controversial features such as microtransactions to the game, with little to no guidance by EA. I can't be asked to find it though. Now that the EA bad, PopCap good is settled (hopefully), thanks for watching, and progress is continuing on the One Seed Slot Sequel.

[@ytrewqfdsacxz3181]

Where was this revealed? Was there like an article or something that I can read? If so could you please link it

[@tragedyplustime8271]

This doesn't mean much. Almost all of PopCap's original devs left after PvZ1 & during PvZ2. The devs currently there are the same type as EA devs.

[@lebollsong]

@@tragedyplustime8271 the original employees left themselves, ea nor popcap fired them.

[@tragedyplustime8271]

@@lebollsong When did I say they were fired?

[@lebollsong]

@@tragedyplustime8271 because if they left themselves, then popcap and ea have not much to do with that situation.

[@homelessY4m3z]

PopCap needs to see this video. It really sucks that they’re not listening to anything we say, and it sucks more that only a few people (You, Herple Nerp, Wolfy, etc.) are the only ones speaking up about it. We need to raise more awareness and I hope this video does just that.

[@inquisitionexpecter4263]

I hope they hear the pvz community, in a better way than (just 1 more update and the 7th comic, pls Valve)

[@Salted_Rice223]

@@poggerspog5356 lie

[@lager2youyu548]

@@Salted_Rice223 🤠

[@guacolea]

@@poggerspog5356 so false bro he got laid off👽. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJnSqWugnaiBd5I

[@MochaFatTart]

@Dead channel. the last of us? You mean left 4 dead?

[@diamondjub2318]

the fact the rake doesn't even flip up and hit the zombies in the face hurts me on a physical level

[@dexshenewolf3017]

Not to mention: Zombies don't have eating animations And Zombies don't get burned

[@idk72.]

And bonk choy doesn't uppercut the zombies on the last hit

[@dexshenewolf3017]

@@idk72. dear lord.

[@AraiDigital]

@@dexshenewolf3017 lol what?? Seriously?

[@awesomehazimex7410]

@@AraiDigital Yeah just from the footage alone they're just knocking on the plants and the bamboo thing that shoot explosives just makes the zombies head pop off without turning them to ash

[@melonwater4088]

This genuinely makes me sad. PvZ is one of my favorite games of all time and it holds a special place in my heart

[@boj1988]

Same pvz 1 was the first ever video game ive played

[@glassofwater281]

The original PVZ is in my personal hall of fame of mobile games, along with Angry Birds and Jetpack Joyride

[@blob7115]

and to make you more sad, the original pvz idea creator got fired from EA cuz he didnt want the p2w in pvz2.

[@thekingmrturtle]

​@@blob7115 “...it is true I was laid off by EA/PopCap…” - George Fan (Being laid off means you have lost your job due to changes that the company has decided to make on its end.) And George Fan wasn't working in pvz2 “PopCap asked me after finishing PvZ1 if I wanted to do the sequel and I declined, so my involvement with PvZ2 was only at a conceptual level.”

[@robertlupa8273]

Pre-selected plants can be fun... from time to time. There's a reason why PvZ2 has only a few Locked and Loaded levels.

[@fortnitesexman]

and those locked and loaded levels were only really enjoyable when they made you use an interesting assortment of plants, which isn't an option when you barely have more than 10 (also, the ones in lost city severely fuck up by STILL featuring plants from the previously previous world dark ages)

[@medic5776]

Or like when Dave picks your first 3 plants if you olay the story again in pvz 1

[@funkychunk1343]

Pre-selected plants is probably a better option than getting to choose. I watch someone who just played through all of pvz 2 (Wolfy Playz if you have heard of him) and he actually had to ban using premium plants because how strong some of them were. Being able to choose your own plants means that no level in the game is hard because if youre struggling with your current plants, just swap over to the winning combo. Atleast with pre selected plants, you actually have to rely on your abilities instead of the strength of 1 particular plant. Also, im pretty sure most people who play pv2 just end up using the same plants for every level because why not

[@fortnitesexman]

@@funkychunk1343 that's a problem with overpowered plants and balancing as a whole "the winning combo" isn't a problem in the slightest, it's a strategy game, whether you can pick your plants or not there's always a best strategy, and players learning what that is and using it has never been a problem in a single thing in the history of anything ever that's again a problem of plants being too good, but is also a problem with zombies being pretty shit most of the time, the zombies rarely if ever try to make you change up your strategy, so if that was changed then people would naturally wanna change their strats up to win more effectively, tho using the same strat throughout the game still isn't even a problem in the first place

[@kousakahonoka-uc5yb]

@@funkychunk1343 that's counterintuitive to what PvZ stand for. Sure, PvZ2 premium plant is overpowered but they can still play the said level whatever strategy they want. Some people would turned their brain off and let the premium plant handled the level, while the others would turned on their brain and tried experimenting on various potential combos. It's all what PvZ is, choosing your seed pack to either had the "strong plant goes boom boom" or had an actual strategy.

[@yeat4872]

just scrap pvz 3 for now n just give us more worlds in pvz 2 I beg

[@ImTooFew]

FR

[@sarahconway2382]

Pvz 2 has way more potential than Pvz 3 at this point. Just do new things with 2 and continue to brainstorm with 3.

[@Howellatthemoon25]

The new worlds will be too easy due to the plant level up system in pvz2.

[@ImTooFew]

@@sarahconway2382 might as well update heroes

[@chelsea-legos2641]

Pvz2 has a better style and adventure

[@Bokator2]

The worst part about this is popcap made such wonderful sequels to pvz such as pvz2 and the garden warfare games which are all fun. They obviously know what we want but instead go the route of just another generic mobile game in the sea of horrible mobile games. Truly depressing

[@hwanheeyoo7205]

Its because EA fired a majority of the original devs and put their own devs under popcap

[@Rainbow_Sheep]

@@hwanheeyoo7205 read the pinned comment dude

[@DamageMaximo]

pvz2 isn't good 'tho, for every good thing about it there are 5 flaws

[@theadministrator.6632]

@@DamageMaximo Like what? Micro transactions? Just don’t buy them you can complete the game easily without them.

[@alligatorscrublord]

@@DamageMaximo i don't think you've given it enough of a shot then. sure, there are levels that are unfair, but the core gameplay is still solid and far more diverse than original pvz.

[@FrozenLeafArts]

I agree with everything in this video.Im also concerned that the franchise is going to become a wasteland if Popcap doesnt listen to our opinions

[@youwotmate7705]

It already is a wasteland.

[@endervale6726]

why did the link tokedme to buy something that costs 40K $ ???????????

[@youwotmate7705]

@@endervale6726 because it’s not supposed to be a link lmao That just happened because he forgot to put a space after the full stop thus creating a link to the website that uses that link. I’ve never seen anyone actually use one of those before 😂

[@bigchungus7870]

@@youwotmate7705 I hate autocorrect so fucking much

[@imselfaware419]

@@endervale6726 The link "Video.Im"?

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

For all its faults, at least PvZ 2 genuinely felt like a step forward from the original PvZ. Everything was faster, the complexity and variety was increased sharply with both the zombies and the plants, it was 1 but bigger. The microtransactions and advertising premium plants was a bit heavy handed, but it's still enjoyable. I also think the various themes are pretty creatively done, especially the Neon Mixtape Tour. I'd rather play PvZ Adventures than 3, and that was more like a traditional tower defense game with a straight line.

[@unluckydaniel3986]

Damn good option

[@he3004]

yeah exactly my thoughts, didn't like transactions and all that bullshit but at least the game made up for it, this one is just bullshit without the gameplay

[@ezzyshian]

PvZ adventures is still similar with bloons td franchise but I'd rather play that than clash royale copy that we got with pvz3

[@miner_fabs]

Never played PvZ2 because of all the bad press it has around it, but I have seen *some* snippets of gameplay. From that, I've seen that the lawns do sometimes have unique environmental changes, and most "new" zombies I've seen have been reskins of the old ones (though again I've not been exposed to much). What I haven't seen though, and what I assume isn't there, is any variety on the formula of "zombies go from right to left to kill you" (with the exception of the miner). What if the position of the thing you're defending could vary depending on the level? Or if there were more zombies like the miner that essentially comes from a different direction (which again, might be present in pvz2 but still)? Or if it wasn't even zombies at all, and you had to team up and go against a new foe (e.g. aliens)? It's like they're too afraid to mess with the base formula because that's what the fans are there for, but they're using it as a hook to get you to buy things.

[@gmg6657]

@@miner_fabs There are animals and dinosaurs that help the zombies in PVZ 2. Pianist zombie can allow zombies to switch lanes. Also there are zombies that can push other zombies forward like the break dancer zombie. Large boulders in Lost city can attack from top to bottom. prospector zombie and the pterodactyl serves as the miners in pvz2.

[@ravenblack725]

Because they assume we have no brains to use to think for ourselves, they put in less zombies and made each level quicker. Zombies are looking for brains and because you don't need any brains to play this, most zombies left.

[@flamespeng48]

I definitely agree

[@derautisadrianos7050]

I don't want to be taught how to play the game I want to experience the game myself without being taught

[@yosh9192]

I think that’s why the “deck building” system from the first two games was so genius. While not outright forcing you, it encourages you to try out new strategies and the newest plants you get, while often using the next level to show off the best uses for said new plants (for example, getting Hypno Shroom right before a level with the first Football Zombies)

[@jeancarlos-pu7ds]

@@yosh9192 Tall-nut:am i a joke to you?

[@laineyw7257]

@@jeancarlos-pu7ds Don’t dolphin riders first appear when you get tall nut? Or was that tangle kelp?

[@jeancarlos-pu7ds]

@@laineyw7257 You get tall-nut in the dolphin rider debut level.

[@rafiihsanalfathin9479]

Popcap is like a reverse ninja kiwi. While ninja kiwi really listen to the community and kept the game alive, popcap just really doesn’t want to listen at all

[@mychelrocha7281]

True bro They knewed how much we begged for minigun monkey and they did what? Gived for us The upgrades are awesome He is badass and etc

[@pancake204]

Ninja Kiwi are literally best game developers lol.

[@Dragon-fang449]

They always made btd6 amazing​@@pancake204

[@pinapplepirate3209]

I think the best decision at this point for popcap is to re-release the old 3d one with a bit more polish

[@ofekmor3737]

Just what I thought, didn't really like the graphics but the gameplay was atleast pvz gameplay

[@HIVETIME]

Yes please bring that back

[@bmspongebob]

Just release the old one but make it look like a new unique game without the inverted mobile change the no sunflower change updated graphics and no rip off games if they just worked on it that game would’ve done awesome

[@Cantu678]

I agreed, because that is more legend than the newer ones. But this time, they need to put movable screen and more levels and worlds

[@lightninggear0131]

@@bmspongebob the sunflower change wasn't that bad tho

[@Naniblocks]

imo the biggest problem with the gameplay is the pacing. levels show up way too fast and there are way too many tutorials (as you said) but there are no things that break the monotony like minigames, special objectives, not even conveyor belt levels! the levels are so boring because they're all the same! also yes, there's vasebreaker, but that's a daily "challenge" with no substance at all.

[@Therevengeforget]

One vasebraker was just one row of wall nuts, one row of zombies, and one row of 6 sun to place bonk choys They even fuck up vasebreaker

[@IDontReallyEvenKnow]

they removed crazy from dave, the moment they did this the entirety of pvz was doomed.

[@punkin6328]

I was excited for pvz 3 and now I'm just worried. I don't want one of my favorite franchises go out like this.

[@aceratedegree5733]

I remember the good old days when the classic pvz is out I do not read the description when getting a seed packet and just always picking it the level after and it always impressed me because how special and unique each plant are

[@thatonejester3387]

While I like the style, and am okay with the simplified sun system And actually really like the idea of a special plant in the bottom right that acts like a mint You've got like 4 models Small but fast Slow but has different amounts of health And large but easy to beat It's overall not a good direction 3 should probably keep its focus around the one house and have us revisit areas such as the pool and roof, maybe even a street level that requires the use of pots but doesn't have a curve like roof. They could do so much with the same formula and people would still like it They could give us a pvz1 experience but longer, a few different plants, and we would still eat that up But they are deciding to remove alot of that for generic puzzle game Pvz was always a puzzle game but it stood out because it was a tower defense Now it's just a puzzle game

[@impbutnot3701]

I'll not beat around the bush this is the worst game in the franchise there is no good mechanical change and very few good aesthetic changes everything else is garbage there is nothing I lie about it and it saddens me beyond all belief. Popcap has somehow made a game with no potential even bfn had the potential to be half decent. Also because this has popcap's bad balance on full display and I am 80% sure the reason all the stages are locked and loadeds because you would use bonk and cabbage in every stage. I showcase all my gameplay to a certain discord and everyone had the same reaction. What the hell is this.

[@impbutnot3701]

The one good change is sunflower redesign because she's cuter and that's it

[@chargegarg8234]

Honestly the saddest thing is that popcap aren’t going to listen. They’ve decided the fate of this franchise, and there’s no going back.

[@knuckt.k.9456]

I wish they made a book about the events of PvZ 1. Like the description of Johnny the Homeowner's life before the game and his experience. There are some hints that he was married at one point. It would really be interesting to take a look at a mature version of the game's events and it's gameplay elements plus more knowledge about the world of PvZ. I dunno, personally I would love to read a Plants Vs. Zombies novel based solely on the first game.

[@chargegarg8234]

@@knuckt.k.9456 that's an amazing idea!

[@bruh985yearsago5]

@@chargegarg8234 the worst part is it's called pvz 3 like if it was called pvzscapes then I don't think anyone would have a problem with it

[@mudskie4394]

Seeing Zombies not actually getting flattened by a squash hurts me

[@Ice_Creeper]

Truly painful 😢

[@plama8920]

It's sad to see what's happening to PvZ

[@lebollsong]

Modern PopCap in general is trying to milk pvz as much as possible, and especially since it's more well known than their other games. They can't live up to their former glory anymore, because we just grew up and there are other more popular games that people stick to now. Of course, the community is far from alive, but that's because of mostly nostalgia, pvz2 updates and the pvz mods. The same is happening with Rovio and Angry Birds

[@virturegd5247]

@@lebollsong no popcap is fine, its EA, they literally fired the owner of popcap and creator of pvz for suggesting adding more f2p plants and worlds to pvz2.

[@plama8920]

@@virturegd5247 ea isn't that bad, it's most popcap fault (sorry for my english)

[@virturegd5247]

@@plama8920 ea is a money hungry game studio

[@plama8920]

@@virturegd5247 it's true but in THIS case the ea isn't the culprit? idk how to say it

[@andy-opia4306]

Plants vs Zombies is dying at the hands of Popcap it seems… Not only is PvZ 3 turning out to be a hyper casual slog, they ruined PvZ 2 with leveling and Penny’s Pursuit. It’s sad that they fell so far from grace, and I hope PvZ 3 performs poorly, because if they won’t listen to feedback, maybe they’ll listen to the numbers. We have mods and fangames I guess, but that doesn’t excuse Popcap’s embarrassing performance.

[@rumbling9879]

Problem with pvz3 doing poorly is this is what The third time they’ve scrapped and remade pvz3? BFN was a failure in every way so if this game is too the franchise will probably just die off sadly

[@pogtopus1944]

You know Popcap's other hit game: Peggle. It was doing just great with it's sequels/spinoffs being peggle nights, Peggle 2, even did a collab with Valve and world of warcraft at some point. When Peggle Blast Came out, there were no new peggle content ever since. It marked the end of the Peggle franchise, the reasons why are as follows: the game design is wack, sequel(Blast) forced you to complete an objective instead of being optional(Peggle2), uses scummy p2w tactics; well yes you can beat the entire game with no in app purchases, it's 10 times easier if you do so in order to beat a level such as using Fireball

[@crunchy_cat]

But when they listen to the numbers, the franchise is over

[@stapleboy7462]

4:40 "do they think we have so little braincells..." you say, right as i tried to collect the sun that dropped

[@yosh9192]

If “PvZ 3” wasn’t actually PvZ 3 and was just a spinoff, I’d still dislike it but I wouldn’t be too mad since it’s just a spinoff. But the fact it’s been branded as PvZ 3 and has such a striking resemblance (if not directly lifting major elements) from those garbage X-Scapes games tells me this is the direction PopCap wants to take the series in, which scares me.

[@alphaepsilon1003]

Ngl.... I feel the same way with Cars 3

[@creechieuihana]

The Triple-A Game Cycle -Company makes good game that people like -Company adds shitty additions that ruin the game for money -Fans try to give feedback on what they think, company ignores -Game goes from charming and lovable to brand-safe, sleek, capitalist garbage I hate it as much as you guys, but it’s a truth I’ve been seeing in SO many areas of the gaming industry at the moment. It’s like they’re shooting themselves in the foot.

[@ExBronyPony]

huh. no wonder i hang around indie games and mods so much.

[@koalapvz]

I totally agree. This isn't just a PvZ problem, this problem is plaguing the whole gaming industry. I wouldn't be surprised if another gaming industry crash happens soon due to the amount of junk being pumped out, similar to the crash of the Atari era....

[@coffeee9859]

overwatch 2 moment

[@Tulip_bip]

@@ExBronyPony indie developers will always be the best because they have creative freedom, and they actually care about the thing they're making. i doubt anyone working on PVZ3 actually cares about it at all, they treat videogames like investments. even the worst indie games have a baseline of respect because they were made by people who actually wanted to make something good

[@thedutchgamelife6264]

i think this all became clear when seeing PVZ2 went from a pvz game, to a straight up "buy this and buy that" kind of game. at first pvz2 did amazing! but now its full of ads after every game, most things are locked behind paywall (and its even more frustrating how useless events are because of this! it doesnt matter if you get the possility to upgrade a plant if it costs real money!!!). there's a reason why the first two games became a huge success and got a loving community, but somehow they think changing it to whats currently popular will attract new players? i can tell you it wont. yes homescape type of stuff is popular, but that wont last for long. especially when people realize the gameplay is awful! PvZ went from a fun tower defense type of game to full pay to literally anything. and the fact they ignore all feedback is what will become their own death sadly. a loving community will feel dissapointed by the ignorance and repeating failures

[@Samuel152]

This and Wolfy Playz's video about the game are what PopCap needs to see.

[@marlonarada3269]

watching popcap degrade their games intentionally is like watching your favorite youtuber become more and more disgusting straying away from what they once were and becoming a generic youtuber and after a while they lost all of the things you loved about them

[@brandbir1]

like lankybox.

[@lumi_2]

I remember being like 7-8 and playing the original game on my ds, fell in love with it, absolutely adored the shooters and the sequal, after a decade of me being a fan of this series it makes me actually so miserable knowing one of my favourite series's from childhood has essentially been stripped of everything that made it what it is. Pvz 3 is essentially what bfn is to garden warfare, I dont even know if I'll be playing this game when it comes out

[@coolbob863]

This.

[@plebplayz0326]

PvZ3 be like : “FINALLY! I’m at the last level. This has to be a cool boss!” The game : [proceeds to have preplaced plants that can beat the level with ease]

[@Cool_Kid95]

Great video! I agree that this game isn’t very good. But I do like the town building thing tbh. It’s neat.

[@IAmNotVerified]

Hola

[@IAmNotVerified]

To be fair town building is a neat idea but why like gardenscapes? To me thats really scuffed and scummy

[@megablast_]

Disagre

[@Cool_Kid95]

@@IAmNotVerified fancy seeing you here

[@Cool_Kid95]

@@IAmNotVerified oh? 👀

[@azok718]

Whats funny is pvz was a parody (sort of) of garden games on the app store at the time. Now it isn't a parody. It IS one of those garden games.

[@NovaMSM]

Spoiler alert, they didn't listen. There's now 1 last chance for redemption

[@Lin_Nascimento]

Pvz 1 and 2 were unique games with nothing else like them, that's why it became popular. Pvz2 also improved over the original. That's 2 things we can't say about the pvz3

[@skapelliskapelli1136]

PVZ3 is definitely a game that I simply don't want to support. Every aspect of the game since the original build back in 2020 up to now simply enrages me. On the bright side I feel like a lot of people can admit that a third PVZ game doesn't need to exist in the first place, PVZ 1 and 2 both have near endless content, but watching popcap/ea make this game that goes against near every key aspect of the previous games will always sting.

[@IHaveALotOfBraincells]

4:15 I do also sometimes have that problem with PvZ2, because sometimes I want to make an epic setup but the levers are just too short.

[@machi-qn4wy]

6:40 gotta love how the zombie spawns in a completely different lane, then magically teleports into the proper lane to be taken out by the rake. Ik it's a soft launch but this still functioned just fine even in the *original* game.

[@pearmint308]

wut

[@its_tomi]

It’s sad how they removed all difficulty of PvZ… Take Big Wave Beach for example, it was (and still is) a very difficult world where level could take lots of attempts to beat and yet the satisfaction of beating it overcame the actual difficulty of the level and trying new strategies by yourself to see if it worked out or not, but removing the option to choose seeds and taking away all the difficulty makes the game dull and boring to play, which wasn’t the case in the last games… Really sad

[@TheGreatPM1]

I mean, if they want to add so many tutorial levels to teach us the game then make them all optional and replay able. I feel like the only times where a tutorial is needed is in the first level, maybe the next 2 or 3 levels and when a new feature like the scenery is needed to be explained only once. Not the whole game being a tutorial

[@kros_of_dum9601]

I know that it won't ever happen, but I still have Hope that PvZ GW3 will release or just GW2 get updated

[@thenohacksandmoneyspending2210]

@@stubbstheman Well I mean BFN is basically their answer for GW3, and that answer was not receive well at all so I do not have high hope that they would make GW3 good or even consider making it at all.

[@The_Official_Optimar]

One of the reasons why I love the the endless levels from PvZ 2 is that most of the levels are 4 flags long. You have time to create a defense and see it work. All the people said what was wrong with PvZ 2 but now it seems like that game is perfect compared to 3. Because the PvZ 2 team knows more what PvZ is than PvZ 3 team.

[@pikarizardcharikachu2573]

I think at this point, the reason they felt the necessity to create pvz3 is to finally kill the franchise itself, because 1.) if they did listen to us, then it means all their efforts into relaunching this cheap game is all for nothing, and 2.) If they didn't listen to us and keep on going, there will be a massive community backlash that will still ultimately put their efforts into vain. It's a point of no return, where the franchise is finally killing itself.

[@Geebanger0]

Can’t wait for PvZ5, complete with a new battle Royale mode, daily and weekly challenges, and a battle pass full of emotes

[@turkia6148]

That'd be PvZ4

[@Dr4kq]

Honestly the very first version of pvz 3 was really REALLY fun and I would have played that game for years. I’m sad to see what it’s changed to now

[@Dr4kq]

And actually. Apart from maybe the ui nothing was really like clash Royale from what I remember

[@FIsNotTooShort]

@@Dr4kq I would rather PvZ3 using a Clash Royale inspired UI than being a homescape copy

[@Dr4kq]

@@FIsNotTooShort for sure. Clash Royale is actually a good respected game unlike this bs they’re copying now

[@saberspriteanimator6385]

To be honest, I was starting to be worried from the changes. I better prepare for the goodbye if I have to. I wish not but it seems to be going that way

[@DrewcrewAnimations]

The end had me dying 💀 (Great video)

[@t3rrar1z3r]

Me who didn't even know pvz3 existed, and can't find it on Google play:

[@cardboardtoaster2169]

Am I experiencing Deja vu or is this the second time Popcap is failing their 3rd game in the series again

[@koalapvz]

Yes indeed. They've tried to make two different iterations of PvZ3 and the last one was the portrait version from 2020. The second one is the current one.

[@cardboardtoaster2169]

@@koalapvz okay… so failing the 3rd game 3 times

[@draguladriver]

one thing i hate is how everything today seems to try to mold itself into the most agreeable, marketable, and thus boring version of itself. every shooter game needs to have a "battle pass", every social media app needs to tiktok-ify itself in some way (youtube shorts, instagram reels, tumblr tv, etc.), every mobile game needs to be mindlessly catering to a casual audience and chock full of microtransactions. seeing something as beloved to me as pvz fall into this pit is deeply saddening, and we can only hope for the best for pvz3's future.

[@BRUH-lx3jv]

At this point PvZ fangame are better than this, and those are fangames that have little to no budget and not expecting to get money, and yet they're better than the actual sequel. PvZ2 I can endure thanks to the mods that removes the microtransactions and adds new stuff to the game but PvZ3 is just horrible that I don't think even mods can save that hot pile of garbage. Graphics wise, I like PvZ2's artstyle more than PvZ1 and PvZ3, PvZ1 is very close to being my favorite artstyle but PvZ3 is so far away from being good. I like PvZ2's artstyle since it's simplistic but still keeping the handrawn artstyle but PvZ3 removes the handrawn artstyle which is still weird to look at for me that never played Garden Warfare or other 3D PvZ games.

[@shellpoptheepicswordmaster755]

It's a weird art style even if you played the shooters.

[@drtrolleur3012]

7:11 omg me too i was 5 years old xD (this is the game where u unlock squash instead of potato)

[@koalapvz]

YES. The squash instead of potato mine! I forgot about that!!!

[@beanburrito4405]

Clearly, PopCap doesn’t understand that what made their games special was their high quality. PvZ, PvZ2, PvZ Garden Warfare 1 & 2, and PvZ Heroes are all fundamentally good games that were made with a vision in mind. The vision for PvZ3 is to make as much money as possible. PopCap, your fans are still here, but we don’t fit the normal demographic for mobile games- we’re spoiled for quality, and it’s the reason why PvZ2 is _the_ longest-lasting game on the App Store in terms of content updates, I can’t even think of anything else that comes close. 2013 is practically the age of the dinosaurs in the world of mobile games. You think most people would support a single modern mobile game for nearly a decade? Even with all of the micro transactions and ways to make money in that game, it’s still a good and fun game at its core. PvZ3 is NOT a good and fun game at its core. Please listen to this video and scrap the whole project, because I’m afraid that after PvZ3 finally releases at some point, it will tank the integrity of the franchise to the point it ends up like the Angry Birds franchise. Don’t take the Angry Birds route

[@User3169__qprst]

I am a fan of both pvz and ab, but this isn't only these games, every old game that made a big succses in early 2009-10 are now just wants to make money and dosen't care about their fans like they used to anymore. Everything is 3d everything is a copy of the bubble pop or candy crush games and they just stopped caring about their own game anymore.. Money really ruins most of the peoples childhood games

[@hammerheadd]

With the recent decisions Mojang and Popcap made people are beginning to realize that these studios were using their publishers as a licence to be terrible, rather than being made bad by the publishers. I was one of those people.

[@Abblecrunk0795]

this game could be the end of pvz if it doesn’t end up being good I really hope popcap realises that drastically changing what we love from the other games isn’t a good idea and they start listening to the community again

[@blackswan5254]

PVZ has always had its own atmosphere of home comfort and danger. Only you and your crazy neighbor, with the help of bizarre plants, are trying to fight off hordes of zombies that are not going anywhere, but to your great and unique home. This very strongly associated the player with the main character. In the third part, we have a monotonous observation from the side of Dave, alone, along with his insanely unworked relatives, building an entire city. PopCap just destroyed one of the main features of the first part!

[@h2o684]

I see Pop cap has taken the route of Rovio

[@aizakkukun4985]

U literally sum up my thoughts about PvZ 3, I am really sad with the direction the game is taking, every passing day I always lose hope as each day passes about PvZ as a franchise, I want to be proven wrong so badly, I really hope popcap listens to the fanbase's feedback because mainly the fandom will be the ones playing the game

[@foolishevan1374]

Popcap should have made something like this. A original minigame: Beghould (candy crush but pvz), and like a pull puzzle for the game, and alot better minigames too.

[@foxans1919]

This is not my PVZ. This is landfill.

[@DamageMaximo]

Holy shit I remember also playing the browser version of PvZ1, the game would end after the Chomper

[@koalapvz]

I remember playing until the whack a zombie level in the night world, so it would end right before hypno shroom

[@Somany_memes]

There is a new PvZ 3 launch in the App Store for Australia

[@trafficaly]

Me personally, I think the art is fine, I think it fits in well, as I like the comics, and they have that art style sometimes. But making it a mobile game that any mother would play? Now that defeats the purpose of the original idea of it! Crazy Dave is supposed to be this crazy inventor, not some landscaping guy! Your best shot is to just play modded pvz2 if they keep pvz3 the same.

[@koalapvz]

Totally agree with the mother part hahaha

[@oceanman_8370]

I don't like how the sun goes up by ones instead of 25/50. Feels like them trying too hard to simplify the already understandable gameplay.

[@derautisadrianos7050]

Popcap Please listen to us we want the better of the games. Pvz 3 shouldn't be the third game in the franchise it should be its own game

[@averageterrariaenjoyer2081]

The bonk joy looks like it's a drawing my 2 yo brother would make... And the animation it has...is hella uncanny

[@SlimothyJimothy621]

I played ever science it came out on the ds and I still play on the ds and it’s sad to see what this amazing franchise has become

[@dddripz]

Seeing 5:56 was shocking. If Cra... sorry, Dave wasn't there, this game would be unrecognizable. It has everything the typical mobile games has from terrible 2D models to a scammy looking UI. People don't play PVZ to do whatever that is, they come to play a tower defense game.

[@adamlisiewicz1777]

Popcap be like: *I like money*

[@DustyDirk]

PvZ got popular from being a unique and fun game, and now it's dying while it tries so hard to be just like every other phone app

[@koalapvz]

This basically sums up this whole situation

[@koalapvz]

This basically sums up this whole situation

[@megablast_]

Suggestion: delete the game, abolish the art style and start over, this is not pvz, make it like pvz 2 and 1, a lot like pvz 2 and 1, because that's what pvz is not this crap, they are committing franchise suicide

[@IAmNotVerified]

I agree and disagree, i like the art style and overall the gameplay in general, i dont know what i can say that hasnt already been said. The gams itself is trash, some parts of the game are good, but the cons outdo the good. They might as well start over

[@blabbilizer]

I absolutely love the art style

[@bigchungus7870]

Honestly I feel like popcaps gain to success has become their greatest foe like rio

[@CringeTV4]

What pop cap thinks we want: Garden scape What we want: Pvz

[@WoofWoofWhisper]

Angry birds and Rovio did this exact same thing and it's just sad to see once great franchises just die or turn into a god awful mess all because of one shitty installment that just doesn't feel like PVZ or AB for example. This is coming from someone who loves PVZ and really doesn't wanna watch it just die just like that which is why I'm seriously hoping that they fix all the problems with PVZ 3 and give his an actually solid game. (Let's hope PopCap actually see this and do something about all the problems)

[@darth3911]

Thing is if they don’t EA will absorb Pop cap completely and they will listen to some extant. That said you can’t get them away from micro transactions which is unfortunate.

[@Fatih_M177]

I wish they made the Game more of a mix of the Last two games while keeping some things they are planning in pvz3, game development is hard and adding things is difficult but i think this would be a good idea and a good direction for the franchise, at least in my opinion of course

[@MarshiiNiakilo]

I've just recently gotten into PVZ since I never played it growing up nor knew much abt it, idrk whats going on but i hope stuff gets figured out? pvz 3 doesnt really look like a pvz game,,

[@FluffBomb]

This is an amazing video. You should also comment on the premium / ad stuff in PvZ 2 where it costs 60$ to get 2 plants from some piñatas. And that’s the discounted piñata. This makes me genuinely sad.

[@alexfrostwalker]

This game should've have a PVZ2 artstyle

[@youwotmate7705]

My only complaint about this video is that you made me watch the mind-numbing gameplay in the background lmao God this game is disgraceful...

[@FaultyTwo]

PvZ 4: Gardenscape "Oh no! These zombies are pushing down your property value! But with Sane Dave (he took his normal pills) and his something something plants, you can push these zombies back to where they came from! NIMBY STYLE! Quick! Use the power of something something generic matching games, and start grinding (or pay your way up we don't care) to make your neighborhood the best and shiny for the rich investors to buy and leave it rot for another 10 years!"

[@makischeese8226]

I agree, many of the mechanics (pre selected plants, powerups etc) are a good idea but belong in a spinoff, but I would actually like to see more of the preselected plants, like an endless mode (that's separate from the main game) where you keep moving to different worlds/levels as the difficulty increases, and every time you travel between those levels your plants change, forcing you to change your strategy or experiment with different plants. In my opinion EA should just change the name of the game so it's not a main line sequel because I think it does have a chance so long as it's not advertised as the sequel. I'm also praying for the versus mode from the console editions to come back, it was awesome. Obviously I can see myself getting a bit of hate for this but it's just my opinion and I think it's the best popcap could do because I'm sure they have a budget on the game and have already spent at least 2 years making it, they don't have infinite funding and they'll probably have to release it before 2024.

[@Wolf_sniffle]

Idk why i feel like this but i feel like with pvz2 they cared about the player more at the time and they realized what there doing and actually made us smart bc pv2 was like o this all u need (show us sunflower) all we had to do was test learn and everything else which teach us test and failure and what to do with pvz3 they hild your hand way to much like with now time its really frustrating

[@quandaledingle9724]

Pvz 1 remaster is all I need

[@thenohacksandmoneyspending2210]

I would love a remaster too but seeing what PopCap have done to the franchise, I do not think they should touch the original and ruin it for everyone.

[@quandaledingle9724]

@@thenohacksandmoneyspending2210 Too bad that we cant even enjoy most of the games made by the community, as ea loves to take down games that have grass and zombies in them

[@chrisgames4072]

OMG You can explain the pvz3 problems in 8 min like no one can!😄 Also Im a pvz fan since pvz1, and I can't understand why popcap are copying other games instead of making a unique game.

[@st1ckblaze146]

Your content is good! You deserve more than 11k subscribers.

[@Ghold]

I do understand you, and I do agree... But I LOVE the artstyle

[@charlrd4043]

Nah we need more world in pvz 2 bc there are too much of plants that are not in the story mod

[@yailo2355]

This is reverse evolution of franchise

[@objectcreator2250]

at this point I'd rather have the clash royale version of PVZ3 the new one is painfully boring

[@tuepham7406]

bring back the old dev and music composer too! They're the heart and soul of this franchise

[@sourlab]

I remember getting my first headset as a kid I opened pvz 1 and let the bangers within but no seriously pvz 1 has my third favourite ost of all time in media fiction

[@Mirto7]

YES! WE NEED OLD PVZ! WITH OLD MECHANICS! WE DONT NEED NEW PVZ WITH AWFUL STYLE!

[@trickstermelon2807]

God I feel awkward that I’m one of the only 2 people that are fine with this direction of PvZ 3, I kinda like the idea of having a full fledged pvz puzzle game that works like a tower defense game (the only thing I don’t like is how easy everything is)

[@koalapvz]

I respect the opinion bro it's good to hear different perspectives. I definitely agree with the difficulty part.

[@thenohacksandmoneyspending2210]

If you like the game, that is fine. It may appeal to some people, so enjoy it if you like the game. But most of the dedicated fans are disappointed because this too different for them. Just do not go and talking smack to people who do not like the game, same goes for people who do not like the game.

[@sonicmeerkat]

Seeing the 1 lane defenses is depressing. Pvz2 is short but it doubled the sun income to ramp the game up quickly, here we're back to 4 sun drops making a peashooter but the levels are somehow even shorter, one alone would be too short but both combined and all those levels being tutorials, just yikes.

[@larrymantic2635]

It’s even bad that the October beta was just the same thing as the April beta but with -Scapes stuff.

[@emrickazor2610]

Jesus the artsyle looks so fucking generic. I get that it'd be lazy to make all the games look like the first game, but like the first one was the best in terms of graphics... I am SO offended that such a big part of my life in terms of gaming has become THIS. To be fair. This is what happens when the market is oversaturated with trash games, everyone wants to top the last market. Rather than making something new. Why make a unique FPS game when you can do the same 4v4 team death match that CoD has been doing for over 20 years now.

[@SirSuperSean]

6:06 That dialogue is not the Crazy Dave that I remember at all. This is terrible!

[@bringdislikeback7835]

Bro this is just depressing💀

[@vigilant2828]

Wait is this what the gameplay actually looks like? I thought this was some clone by some other company not from pop cap themselves.

[@whatthehekproduktionsthe2n588]

I think a PVZ puzzle game could work, if they turn this franchise into a fucking shooter they can turn it into anything, But this is part of the main line series, I could see a puzzle game work as a spin off but this is the third PvZ game it should definitely be a tower defense.

[@alpaca_1215]

I've seen lots of videos about pvz2 and everyone is saying its too difficult. I think popcap saw that and thought that we all suck and need 1hour of tutorials. Also this happened with the shooter games Instead of adding this they removed things which isn't what your supposed to do. Also even if they did let us choose our plants, from what I have see in videos (I don't have pvz3) there is only 15 plants to choose from. Pvz 2 was cool because they added TONS of new zombies and TONS of new plants.