The Unfortunate Reality of PvZ3

[@GNVS300]

Community: "We want to be able to pick our own plants, have no life system and levels that aren't completely bare bones!" PopCap: "Hey, here's that minigame you loved in PVZ1, hated in PVZ2 and will hate even more in this game!"

[@Snt1_]

Wich one

[@mypaldracunyan1223]

@@Snt1_ Vase Breaker

[@Snt1_]

I guess

[@pedroivog.s.6870]

I like it, my mom was addicted with Vasenbreaker endless

[@DamageMaximo]

@@pedroivog.s.6870 probably plays candy crush

[@meggy1162]

"Its only a beta, why are you criticizing it?" Because its in beta. This is *the* perfect time to voice our criticisms as the game is still in development. You usually can't get devs to change fundamental issues post launch due to needing to rework the whole game, so bringing them to light when the game is a WIP is ideal.

[@Secretosity]

70th like

[@that1jayy941]

110th like

[@ShadowPeashooterEnjoyer]

They’re not listening to us, they haven’t listened for about 4 years, and they almost definitely won’t in the future

[@Buddies_YT]

190th like

[@oceans6517]

211th like 🤓

[@karbachok]

Yay, finally. A PvZ game in the build your mansion genre. Just like we always wanted. Said nobody.

[@BinglesP]

Fellow Robot Master pfp

[@bloopahVIII]

can't wait for pull the pin crazy dave fake ads with those stupid stock effects every single one of those ads use

[@AceXLCM]

but u said it

[@DarthLiam-gd1wc]

List of things that aren't bad about this game: Story is ok Background is ok

[@metal_pipe9764]

Balloons tower defense kind of did it

[@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead]

My biggest complaint is how damn ugly the zombie eating animation is, it just looks like the zombies are hitting themselves.

[@660nj]

This and the animation of the guy throwing the bowling ball

[@PurpleNecromancer-10]

Literal mobile game advertisement animations

[@buckethead_cdsonic]

for me, it looks like the zombies are “pranking” the plants

[@neevko267]

@@buckethead_cdsonic "prank em john"

[@inabaraisin4314]

Can't forget peashooters kissing everyone

[@pedrogomes5796]

I've seen so many companies do this, and I don't get what incentive they have to not be transparent and ignore the community. Shouldn't they want to assure the fans and potential customers that they care and they're going to make things better?

[@randomhamsterontheinternet]

Too many nowadays. It's so sad seeing almost every mobile game that exists slowly turn into a rip-off game with pay to win stuff and hella load of ads. When a game made back in 2009 is much better than a game made pretty recently.. you know there gotta be some problems coming. Companies only want money from making games, not satisfaction or anything. You see those games which have low rating but a lot of people playing? Pay to win and ads. The ratings under the app store is clearly unsatisfactory but developers either don't reply or look at it, or, they just reply with "Hope you're enjoying our game. Thanks for you feedback! *We* *try* *to* *make* *the* *game* *better* *with* *you* *reviews* *!*"

[@randomhamsterontheinternet]

your*

[@aereonexapprentice7205]

Well, obviously because their intention goes completely against the community's wishes. Why would you announce to your fanbase, about a bad deed you are going to commit to your fanbase? Transparency does not matter if the road ahead is forever tarnished.

[@thereviewer5307]

ISNT THE WHOLE POINT OF A BETA THAT PEOPLE PLAY IT AND GIVE FEEDBACK SO THE DEVS CAN IMPROVE THE FULL GAME

[@randomhamsterontheinternet]

@@thereviewer5307 well the devs clearly don't want to care about people's feedback in this case...

[@Roc_150]

I think this game can be good but if popcap continues to ignore the community they’ll assume that nobody has a problem with it.

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

I think that sounds like they’re looking for an excuse to make it bad. Obviously they’ll think people don’t have a problem with it if they choose to ignore them. Or maybe they’re not choosing to ignore them but it feels like it for sure.

[@Tylorean]

Kinda like minecraft and the chart reporting… Sad that so many companies ignore their playerbase…

[@PurpleNecromancer-10]

They want to cater to an audience that is too easily satisfied to complain. They'll ignore us because we are not that audience.

[@nando6458]

@@PurpleNecromancer-10 so the filthy casuals? like Casual Casuals? because that's what it seems like with all the tutorials and fast levels

[@thisguyisfine1512]

@@nando6458 ultra casual

[@GD_Zimmeh]

I feel like a good way to change the way seed selection works is, before every level, the game picks a recommended selection for you to use, but you have the option to not use it and to instead choose your own

[@linhero797]

Sounds like a great way to help casual players while still letting hardcore players well. And to add it in top you should reward the player for using as few recommended plants as possible. Or for beating the levels quickly. This way their still remains a level of fun Puzzle solving in PvZ. Where players are rewarded for finding better strategies in the game.

[@sliceofham3737]

I think the chosen seed packets would work great…. for bonus or special levels. As a main campaign system it’s terrible, but unique challenges with certain seed selections could be really fun.

[@makzer8770]

Honesty it would be better to just make it work as in pvz 1, where you pick whatever you want. There shouldn't be any advice on what you should use, use your damn brain to figure it out so you won't loose it.

[@lordhellstrande2763]

That actually sounds like a really neat idea

[@clydie]

pvz3 is just... yikes all over

[@PrankDoKazzio]

Its a damn copy of gardenscape

[@enforcer0regidragoregicean902]

yikes over a pit of spikes!

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

@@enforcer0regidragoregicean902 aye that rhymes

[@IAmNotVerified]

Yikes is one way to say it

[@enforcer0regidragoregicean902]

@@THGMR-ox7sd Mann that got a pann

[@patrovich]

Not-so-fun fact: PVZ3 zombies were animated by the same guy who animated a lot of PVZ2 plants (and i'm not talking about the crappy new ones), still can't belive he has fallen so low.

[@jirachido3997]

Meteor Flower is Cool, But Nothing Else

[@KBryanWhite]

thats sad

[@Faurded]

Come on, he is just trying to pay the bills

[@lunathekuduruk1311]

@@jirachido3997 it is not

[@jirachido3997]

@@lunathekuduruk1311 it is

[@thatdisease]

PvZ went from a game that had cheap knockoffs all over the app store to looking like a cheap knockoff itself.

[@KBryanWhite]

*nods silently*

[@korkukokusu8311]

Of

[@sunbleachedangel]

And then to actually being one lol

[@glowingthing]

Imagine if it was just a scheme they planned to make sure people stop making knock offs

[@NagoBust]

It's actually kinda sad that fan versions are better

[@Juli_is_Online]

When Mod developers are making leagues better PvZ games then PopCap themselves…

[@Jar3xe]

ironic isnt it?

[@mrbombastic982]

fr the community makes better damn games than Popcap or EA the only thing making me play pvz2 is the reflourished mod.

[@660nj]

We know what we want, the devs don't.

[@lightdarkequivalent7143]

I tried PvZ2 reflourished yesterday and I loved how they made it feel like it's not a mod The steam ages world was so fun, why can't popcap just work on the chinese exclusive worlds to bring to global?

[@lightdarkequivalent7143]

@@mrbombastic982 Right? I'm looking forward for a MOD'S update instead of the third OFFICIAL game

[@comixwabbit6680]

16:10 gosh dang. Imagine losing to Zomboss and the game over screen is a jump scare with the FNAF 1 sound

[@gearguts7259]

What I think is going on here is that Popcap is making a game extra casual while keeping PVZ2 as their game for the fans. If they're not gonna change anything about this game, I hope they make new levels for PVZ2 once the development for 3 is over.

[@PurpleNecromancer-10]

They can't really have much room to add new worlds to PvZ2 for game size reasons. If only they would've made a PC version back then

[@tobyonatabe2601]

I really hope they rebrand this as something like “PvZ for kids” because the intellectual capacity necessary to play this game is that of a 2 year old.

[@tobyonatabe2601]

@@PurpleNecromancer-10 true, but they can just make a PvZ 3 from the frameworks of PvZ 2 instead of making it from scratch.

[@RaphielShiraha64]

@@PurpleNecromancer-10 I mean they did have that time twist world that got scrapped, and some stuff of pvz3 could be carried to pvz2, like for example a volcano world.

[@hgrtec5383]

@@RaphielShiraha64 ahh yes a volcano world in a game where all world are based on time travel. I mean it would be better as a "earth at its's formation stage world"

[@chip2508]

why are the zombies humping the wallnuts instead of eating them

[@PurpleNecromancer-10]

they are nutting to it

[@Zlegotube]

Holy shit you're right

[@enforcer0regidragoregicean902]

2:47 even Pvz 2's janky and broken zombie-filled arena feels so much better...

[@Datsyoashley]

Ye cus u get to place plants beforehand and can actually select what plants to use

[@stormyshelter9997]

@@Datsyoashley and in that game theres extremely op plants like primal potato mine, mega gatling pea and rhubarbarian

[@Datsyoashley]

@@stormyshelter9997 dont forget shadow peashooter and power mints

[@OOFUS4103]

What infuriates me even more is that the 2019 beta DID allow you to choose your plants and had levels longer than 30 seconds.

[@Dandy-Man]

This level of downgrading hasn’t been seen since the hello neighbor betas…

[@pora5000]

Actually what I think is that, PvZ3 devs are intentionally trying to make it look like they actually care by making the survey. Sure, they’d take feedbacks, but only in the form of those multiple choice google forms, and it’s highly likely that the stuff that was asked in the google forms was the only things they care about improving. The core issues such as not being able to choose plants, level progression too fast, and ways to actually improve the actual PvZ tower defense gameplay instead of Gardenscapes, were never mentioned at all in any of the beta versions’ surveys. It’s pretty safe to say that unless they got completely new management for PvZ3, those things are never gonna be changed at all. And some extra words about the PvZ3 Clash Royale ripoff backlash. Most of it was about the UI being exactly like Clash Royale (with some parts copying Angry Birds 2 as well). And of course the fact that its in portrait mode. Even in the current beta the map UI is exactly like Gardenscapes or Homescapes or whatever i dont remember. But gameplay wise I think everyone has to admit that that early beta had way better gameplay, even without playing any of the betas myself. I like the concept of some of the new mechanics integrated into PvZ3, INCLUDING auto sun generating, its just not executed well yet (like Sunflower could still work as sun producers while auto sun generator is still there) and mightve been better after more testing and fixing.

[@KEVINNGW808]

Agree. After I watch Zackscott's PVZ 3 videos, I was like this version is better. People just shat on it.

[@PeChips]

Yeah actually auto sun and sun falling from the sky are almost the same things, in PvZ 2 instead of waiting for sun to generate automatically you wait for sun to fall from the sky

[@pedroivog.s.6870]

@@PeChips but you can bost the sun production with more sunflowers, which added some strategy.

[@staticchimera44]

@@pedroivog.s.6870 That is also something that could have very easily been added in the first version of PVZ3.

[@arandomchinese482]

At this point, the old beta has a more serious problem on marketing instead of just gameplay design.

[@crimsonmistx]

this gameplay makes pvz 2 look like a flawless masterpiece

[@jirachido3997]

Yes

[@alaapanga3640]

dude pvz 2 it good and its almost ALMOST perfect wym

[@uhjjju7778]

​@@alaapanga3640nah i love pvz2 and i think its better than 1 personally, but its definitely far from perfect

[@Ayansharma-o2e]

@@alaapanga3640no man

[@gruntgaming5528]

pvz 3 is the definition of "look how they massacred my boy"

[@PERIX_QR]

PVZH was the best example of a PVZ spin-off it did not only have the old pvz flavor, but it was something else in its own right. im sad to see it no longer being updated

[@camilleclough2013]

I had fun with that game. It definitely should be what pvz spinoffs should be like :)

[@PepeChadIsDaGoat]

GW left the chat

[@Geiaheat]

It got a update dude recently

[@PERIX_QR]

@@Geiaheat let me guess. Minor bug fix?

[@impbutnot3701]

Creeps and I had a conversation and we both agreed that this game was kinda unsalvagable. And kinda I mean very much unsalvagable this game won't last a year even unless I complete utter and improbable rework and have it actually work

[@PurpleNecromancer-10]

Good thing the game is online-only so Popcap can end its service when they see it fit

[@SPZ-gv2on]

Yeah that's how I see it too. As it is, pretty much none of the old fans likes it, and it's too generic and boring to appeal to most newcomers. Who is going to want to play it?

[@superbrainz2357]

@@SPZ-gv2on Its gonna go the way of battle for neighborville. Too dumbed down and different for old fans while also too lackluster and generic to entice new players. A lot of comparisons can be made between these two as bfn tried to fix what wasn"t broken about gw and ended up killing pvz shooters and now it looks like pvz3 will do the same to the tower defense games.

[@flarethetitanpea5358]

I want there to be another 'travel around worlds' this like in PvZ 2 with time travel. but instead, with the actual earth and its many places instead of different timelines. Here is five of the world ideas i have: 1. The Sparkling Falls: The gimmick would be that the 8th and 9th column would be gone and all the plants must be on a lily pad. there would be VERY RARE surges where every plant and lily pad would move one tile forward. There might be wall-nut family plants that can be planted in water, maybe a coral nut. or maybe a plant that works against the gimmick. 2. The Blue Flare Volcano: The gimmick is there there would be random vents of lava that kills plants or zombies on the tile it erupts from. it would then leave a lava pool that disappears after 20 secs. it would prevent plants from being planted on it but zombies can go past it as they have gotten special equipment. there would be plants that can be planted on lava pools (MAYBE SNAPDRAGON CAN RETURN) and plants that can remove lava pools quicker can also be here. 3. The Dense Jungle: There would be saplings that grow on a tile and it heals plants in a 3x3 radius. there would also be vines that sprout which help zombies get over plants. there would be plants that can cut down vines. 4. Doom Meadows: It seems like a normal day level from PvZ 1 with no gimmick, and you are right! the gimmick as actually made by the zombies. There would be excavators that can dig holes in which plants cant be planted on. there would be a plant that can fill in those holes and a shepherd zombie that can spawn a sheep horde that destroys the lane it is in so multilane plants would be useful. 5. The Gold Mines: It would be very dark but not so dark so you can manage to see if you focus. Plantern's return can illuminate a 5x5 tile area so you can see better. Explorer and torchlight zombies will make a return and they light up a 3x3 area and flares plants they touch. Miners would return as well but they don't act like prospectors and go behind your defenses. they instead can throw gold nuggets that damage plants. There can be Umbrella Leaf return maybe as a hat that can be planted on plants. I am editing this part after watching the 'Cabbage Pult dosent Work' video and I was kinda sad to see how much people hate cabbage pult even after it was a part of MY TEAM for 3 whole worlds until I got Melon Pult. So this world will give some importance to cabbage pult: 6. Zombie Market: The gimmick would be carts of goods that roll vertically that destroys plants that is in the column they are in. A Market Zombie would be here which pushes a cart which one shots plants it rolls over like Zomboni and Barrel Roller. When the cart is broken, the Market Zombie would be enraged and start acting like newspaper, and if a cabbage pult is used, you basically hynotised it and it walks away ignoring everything else. The downside would be this has a chance to happen but not so rare that cabbage pult is still useless. let me know how you feel about this extra part.

[@BaySharpest]

This new beta makes old pvz3 look like a perfect flawless masterpiece

[@webberinternetpolice6431]

That might be a bit too generous. How about "this new beta makes pvz2's premium plants look balanced"

[@memekeeper-gaming3552]

@@webberinternetpolice6431 Holy fuck thats even worse, premium plants can solo adventure mode completley

[@skydub7844]

@@webberinternetpolice6431 especially the 100 gem plants lol

[@yellowkiddo1333]

@Logan-sh7jk Clash Royale + Angry Birds 2

[@PepeChadIsDaGoat]

This new beta makes PvZ 3 3D a fucking masterpiece, make PvZ BfN a fucking worthy succesor to GW2 and eradicate"EA bad, Popcap good"

[@TypicalLatino]

This game is Popcaps last hope for the PvZ franchise. And it doesn't seem to be going well and it's so sad. PvZ 1 will always be my favorite

[@whome9842]

That was from before AE games bought Popcap. As usual they buy the company to get the IPs, fire a bunch of people and proceed to milk the franchise dry.

[@GregClayguy]

this was how i felt about all this the first new beta it felt like a good start to show off that popcap CAN listen and hopefuly it would add more later the second beta ok a few new plants and zombies a railer showing some stuff....still no choose your seeds this beta "wow look nothing"

[@modules_make_me_sad]

Don’t forget that they took away the eating animation for zombies and replace it with a dumb swing animation just so they could probably make it more family friendly even though that was the animation we all love and hate the most about zombies when we go toe to toe with them in pvz 1 & 2

[@monkeyace2234]

Those monsters

[@DigitalVDisk]

Just make this into a spinoff, take however many years they want, keep updating pvz2, and then make a pvz3 WITH THE COMMUNITY!!!!!

[@lightdarkequivalent7143]

I actually want them to add the chinese exclusive worlds into pvz2 STEAM AGES? SKY CITY? KUNGFU WORLD?

[@danwolfe238]

Why would they do that? lol

[@PurpleNecromancer-10]

@@lightdarkequivalent7143 They can't add in the China-exclusive worlds due to the people behind them wanting their worlds to stay exclusive. Only mods can get around this dumb legal issue.

[@patrovich]

Honestly, the old PVZ"3" would have worked better as a spin-off

[@tobyonatabe2601]

@@lightdarkequivalent7143 have you seen the reflourished mod? Check it out if you haven’t

[@Berixblitz]

Worst change is Crazy Dave being called just 'Dave' 🗿

[@xannymanny9754]

I guess their view of the world is just so twisted and dark that Crazy Dave really is just Dave to them

[@PurpleNecromancer-10]

PvZ3 isn't just terribly average, but it's meant to appeal to a super-casual audience that has been oversaturated by many similar games today. PvZ3 would make more sense as a game released back when PvZ2 released. Not to mention that PvZ2 has already done its work of alienating said audience of casuals, especially with its more recent updates. Combining the facts that they're not adding new worlds to PvZ2 for storage reasons and removing perfectly good music tracks from it for similar reasons, Popcap seems to only care about its own quotas and not our demands. Popcap doesn't really have a good reason to listen to us either regardless of what we argue, we're not the hyper-competitive "skill issue" whales that motivated PvZ2's modern changes nor the hyper-casual audience that can easily be pleased by another Candy Crush clone. Not to mention that they hardly bother working on non-PvZ games too. TBH, a lot of the people that made Popcap great either left or don't have the same passion as before. Even if EA didn't aim to taint Popcap, Popcap came to EA to die. Why would EA disapprove of Popcap's current mentality?

[@AZthemute]

PvZ3 is designed for another audience entirely, PopCap is trying to push the game to a new hypercasual audience. Probably a desperate cash grab if I'm honest lol

[@PurpleNecromancer-10]

Would've made more sense to go for that audience back when they released PvZ2, the hypercasual demand was less saturated back then and PvZ2's "skill issue" direction didn't alienate them away

[@MemzYoutube]

The reason i think this game is so different is because it’s meant to target younger newer fans so they go and play the other games too, that’s why it’s so different yet so similar

[@lebollsong]

But THIS represents pvz to the newer fans. It will discourage them if anything.

[@Otherface]

That or the fact that is made by different devs.

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

Damn, this is probably one of the worst ways of introducing new players to the franchise.

[@nonexistentperson5204]

This is literally like YT kids version of pvz

[@aceratedegree5733]

if this was a spinoff they wouldn't get too much backlash

[@bakh554321]

The zombies look like they're um, doing something with those walnuts 😶

[@ItsMeHyper230]

*I Noticed It After Reading Your Comment 🤨📸*

[@ItsMeHyper230]

2:55 🤐

[@michaelpadua6105]

Nowadays' game companies frustrate me beyond comprehension. Communication and customer satisfaction is literally the most simplest and important aspect of any small or large business. If you don't have customers, or if you satisfy yourself with the minimum amount, there's no room for prosperity overtime. Yet, it seems the latter is not important in the industry neither... :/

[@SleepingGas]

16:08 looks like the sunflower kills the basic zombie. The timing is perfection. Sorry this is off-topic. But seriously though, the timing.

[@Nightmare-fe9hr]

This game seems to be geared towards very young children. That's fine. Oh wait there's super predatory business practice involving microtransactions being shoveled onto the player in the form of a lives system and powerups. Cool

[@silverpotato4272]

That's EA for you

[@fumleduno]

​@@silverpotato4272popcap*

[@klatchabobby]

I literally don’t understand how the same people who made PvZ2 made this. This looks like something a mobile game team would make if they got a memo about how the original game worked and were paid $10,000 to make a game based on that memo alone without ever seeing or playing the first two games. Literally haven’t seen a single PvZ3 video that makes me remotely interested in ever playing this game. It looks like they stripped the game down to its core concept and made it for toddlers

[@KBryanWhite]

what if ea said as a joke "What if PvZ 3 is a game that rips out everthing that made pvz pvz, and ripped off garbage mobile games" but popcap took it to seriously.

[@mr.productions327]

Pvz 2 and pvz 3 are being made in separate teams, not the same team.

[@doodoo2065]

Pvz 2 is a mobile game too

[@lebollsong]

Problem 1: every level is locked and loaded. Now yes, this is a puzzle game thing, but it ruins the "flexible strategy" part of pvz. One of the best things for pvz was choosing plants and amking a certain unique combination out of them. I hate this "ya here you go use these plants and you know the thing blah blah" system. Problem 2: what even are they trying to be? A homescapes game with candy crush-like gimmicks while still keeping the pvz tower defense style? What on earth is this? So many questions, and I bet PopCap doesn't even know the answer to this. I swear, they don't seem to know what they're doing. Problem 3: the game treats you like a baby. Seriously, even a child playing this will probably get bored. The introduction to new gimmicks should work the pvz1 style. I refuse to acknowledge THIS as a mainline pvz game. If anything, it's far from a sequel. It should be called something like "Plants vs Zombies: Neighbourville Chronicles" or something similar. PopCap, here's what we want from a pvz game: -Well balanced difficulty. Not too hard but also should have a kick of challenge for the veteran players -Well thought out story. This is something that pvz2 lacked. Of course, pvz shouldn't have extremely deep lore, but the story just needs to make a little sense too. -Unique plants with unique uses, but not a straight upgrade to a previous plant, like in pvz2. -Creative gimmicks and worlds. Pvz2 had some good ones, like the minecart gimmick. -The microtransactions should at least be kept reasonable. No shitty gambling lootbox system, although hopefully pvz3 won't get such a change. -No upgrading system. We want strategy, PopCap. If you'll make a multiplayer system then we shouldn't have levelling up, for the love of god.

[@labros9999]

Nah make it hard. I'm not saying make it like big wave beach on release but i think pvz 2 was still a bit too easy. Beat the game recently with no purchases and generally used the same 2-3 strategies

[@lebollsong]

@@labros9999 what about the people newly introduced to pvz and this is their first game? They'll get squished in an instant. The leseening of difficulty is for them after all

[@labros9999]

@@lebollsong I mean that's why difficulty curves exist. Plus the games have always been pretty easy and simple to understand. Unless this is your first videogame ever i don't think anyone really had a hard time understanding how the game works.

[@animationcenter6376]

Agree

[@lebollsong]

@@labros9999 yknow what i think you're actually right there. A friend of mine did play pvz2 while being introduced to pvz for the first time. He beat the entirety of adventure mode in a week or less i think so, and didn't have much difficulty.

[@ChampionCynthia493]

"For every good feature in this game there are 5 bad ones" Popcap: "DID YOU HEAR THAT BOYS? WE HAVE GOOD FEATURES !🎉🎉🎉"

[@rlcraftisharder4036]

Lets all forget that pvz3 ever existed

[@enforcer0regidragoregicean902]

yeah, Pvz 2 feels like a triple a compared to pvz 3...

[@infinite.wings.guy.]

Yes please, let's go back to PvZ2. . .

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Honestly starting to appreciate pvz3 first beta where it had better level design and game pacing better plants, art was just gross and leveling was horrible but it genuinely was better than this

[@nonexistentperson5204]

Yes please.

[@ariztheackee505]

lets forget about pvz games and see if popcap gets bankrupt I hope their games wont removed however...

[@Phoenix-vz8ji]

I didn’t even know there was a third one and I wish I could go back to before I knew this

[@posstwo]

PvZ3's first soft release (the clash royale ripoff) in February 2020 wasn't even that bad. Everything was earnable through normal gameplay, there were lots of unique plants and zombies and the game was actually updated more often than every half a year. Yes, later updates made is SIGNIFICANTLY worse, but it was still something I'd much rather play than whatever we get now.

[@Toneshadow]

agree

[@TeaserTravlein]

Devolving.

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

Unvolving.

[@Nathen111]

I blasted through the first day campaign and then totally forgot about it. Until I saw someone's video and I was like " oh right I have it" and then just didn't have any feeling or motivation to why I should finish it. So I didn't bother to. I agree with you on this video!

[@pubertdefrog]

I kinda think they should start from scratch again, pvz 2 china just released a world based on a fairytale. That right there, a pvz game where each world is based off of fairytales or books would be amazing, it just feels like a next step. But let’s be real, it’s probably not going to happen

[@lebollsong]

Pvz2 was also going to be about travelling to other countries. I think that's also a neat concept

[@LimeLoaf]

@@lebollsong i thought you said it *Was* based off of traveling to other countries so I was about to call you dumb. Sorry.

[@RaphielShiraha64]

@@lebollsong I always thought a sci-fi inspired pvz with you travelling from planet to planet saving them from zombies would be interesting.

[@arachnihood7887]

@@lebollsong I think that game wer you travel trough time in order of the time peroids would be cool. (You start in Jurrasic marsh and end in Far future) of course most worlds will have to be rebalanced, because starting a game were your overwelmed by dinosaurs and getting your plants frozen, and ending it with some easy to deal with mechs, is not a fun game. (knowing Popcap at this point, they wouldn't care and say "F*ck it, you have to start with 3rd hardest world in the game, good luck."

[@miufke_]

Why? That means different gameplay in each world

[@kairostimeYT]

I love your videos and I have some thoughts to share with you and the comments section. I don't know if my comment will even be seen but here goes nothing (I'll list them point-wise for convenience): 1. I personally don't think that our inability to choose our own seeds kills the strategic elements of the game because we have seen some well-implemented "Locked and Loaded" levels in PvZ:2. What this actually kills is the replayability (which you briefly mentioned). One could also argue that this might create lazy level design because with the lawn and the zombie layout fixed, they could just change the set of plants for each level, which would bore a lot of players. 2. This "5 brains" things on the other hand is horrendous. Once you start playing the game, you are never going to lose because the levels won't be challenging enough and not to mention, they'll be boring. The only moments where you have a chance of losing is when the level is fun and challenging. Right as things get challenging, you'll possibly start losing 5 times in that level or a set of levels after that (because that's how these games typically go). This is more or less the same as being hindered by "free trials" as people called them back before microtransactions but now, there is no way to even come out of this "free trial" because all you can do by spending money even is just replenishing your brains temporarily and not permanently. 3. I have no problems with Grapes of Wrath or Mo. I personally think that one should play around them and think about allocating a certain set of zombies just for Mo or Grapes of Wrath to clear, while focusing on what the plants can actually clear and do good at it. With this said, I don't even think that the "puzzle" aspect of PvZ:3 is necessarily bad (as long as they implement it well which they won't; at this point, it's safe to say that they won't implement anything well though). 4. Plants and zombies may not look ugly but they seem lifeless. With all of this said, I want locked and loaded levels but I don't want all of them to be locked and loaded. I want Grapes of Wrath and Mo to be like they are but I don't want all of the levels to have these mechanics and be so puzzle-like. I want the devs to go an extra mile and add some details in (details could be some minor animations, references to old games, almanac references, etc.) Speaking of almanac, bring it back; unlike other issues, I have no idea why they removed that in the first place. Every game has something similar to almanac for reference but this has nothing like that. While they are at it, they might as well STOP copying other games and go with their own decisions. They have copied Hearthstone, Clash Royale and now they are copying homescapes (idk if PvZ:GW3 BFN copied something else but it's safe to assume that it copied something else too). Also, don't even get me started on the words like inspiration and challenges which they tend to use when criticized. It's the same as copying and issues respectively to them but the positive connotation in the former simply blinds most people. EDIT: Honestly speaking, Plants vs. Zombies Adventures did a way better job compared to this even considering its awful lag and god-awful sow times for some plants.

[@Boter_Koter]

something that leads me to belive that this game is made for younger/hyper casual players is the core visual design. Every plant moves around way too much for my liking, compared to pvz 2 and especially pvz. everything on the screen has to move eratically which makes me think its just trying to desperatally get your attention at all times.

[@Nooklite]

This really Is reminding me on how bfn went out where they took away their most iconic feature that separated it from other shooters, which was variants, for no reason and it seems that they are doing the same here.

[@IAmNotVerified]

I feel like the sun cost thing could be a problem. How would something like sun shroom work? Is sunflower gonna just be the worst? How will that work. (I know sun shroom might not be added ever i am just using an example) or will they just use decimals, that would be weird

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

The sun cost using 3 digits is hyper important for balancing. It allows for more balanced costs.

[@petrikhorr]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 a lot of games actually use this. rpgs for example, can use higher numbers for more variation and different scaling. pretty neat. (hard to explain, but yknow)

[@alexandrerosas5269]

I feel like were watching a beloved franchise die very slowly and painfully

[@nobody33960]

Popcap may no longer care, but its fan base still does. M O D S

[@Grundrisse]

Coming back here after PvZ3's release... they still don't let you choose the seeds. The game is sluggish and unswallowable as ever. The level design has not improved one bit. Etc. Yep, they still don't fix the game and "make something we truly want to see."

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

16:19 lmao I noticed that too They seriously used fnaf 2s dead flashlight sound I'm kidding but seriously I said in another video the game has an identity crisis I would not care much about it as I do now if it wasn't the 3rd game following up 1 and 2 it could work as a spinoff like neighborville did (downfall of that was making it to dumbed down) This seems like it aims at no one, casuals would not be able to keep up with the level pacing, older people won't understand the levels because they're not structured and previous fans won't have enjoyment from it because it's simply not worth anyone's time Calling it a spinoff is fine its not an improvement at all on the last two games, something I think pvz1 shines in were mini games and replayability and 2 for the heavy amount of content and variety (and well modding is easier on 2 as modding on 1 can break the entire game) Seriously what's going on internally at popcap to make such a shameless rip off of their own franchise

[@SkyanUltra]

for the most part, i really agree with this video. the comment on sun cost being negligible on the game as a whole though is really dumb though. sun cost TIES IN with the pacing of the game. they’re reverting to 25 sun meta, which is inherintely a slower meta, when the game moves at a breakneck pace. it’s going to have an affect on the game as a whole, because if you’re finishing planting your rows of sun producers when the level is already almost over, then you don’t have a chance to build an actual defense, which to me is a huge part of PvZ’s identity in terms of gameplay. other than that one thing though, i do agree. i really want this game to succeed, but as it is the future looks grim. i can only hope popcap steps forward and tries to interact with the PvZ community further to get more feedback on the gameplay, or at least explain their intentions with PvZ 3.

[@Urkikk]

I don't think PvZ3 is the first victim by Popcap. Do you guys remember Bejeweled Stars? I do remember it level selection screen used to look less like Candy Crush's back in very early version, oh well.

[@realPurpleOrb]

Even Peggle Blast was really bad

[@arktheevil]

not being able to choose your own plants is a way for them to make sure they can give you plants that will win the level, but it could be only if you play perfectly, this way they can push the power ups

[@iggypikminunderly782]

I feel like the biggest thing that need to be fixed first is the pick your plants this is a massive bug and I'm surprised that it hasn't been fixed

[@julius_pat]

I'm very sorry to inform you but it's not a bug....

[@RemMcKoffl3r]

@@julius_pat welp, this franchise is doomed

[@iggypikminunderly782]

@@julius_pat it was a joke about that

[@cheeseslimes4532]

The only way I think pop cap would EVER add choose your seeds is either a last stand or survival gamemode, but even that's unlikely

[@fishstickfailur3]

if bfn's anything to go off, this game's probably gonna get the bare minimum amount of updates, then suddenly be somewhat enjoyable

[@carolmerritt2240]

As someone who grew up with pvz 1, 100%ing the game many times, its really sad to see the direction PVZ is going. I didnt care much for PVZ2, but I understood why people loved it so much, PVZ3 however, looks really bad. I really loved PVZ 1 because you could enjoy it, no matter your age. I remember before PVZ2 came out, there was a point where me, my dad, my little sister, and my grandma were all activly enjoying the game. I was four years old when I first played PVZ 1, and its been a huge part of my life since. Even now, going back it truly is an amazing game. While I have my gripes with PVZ 2, like the pacing, plants, and terrible story, I dont think the game was bad, just not nearly as good as PVZ1. I honestly think they should have just expanded on the first game. Every time I replay it I alway think "Why doesnt it go on longer?" and "There so much more they could have done!". While I perfer the PVZ 1 artstyle, the second game still looks really good, I think they should have just stuck to their roots, and focused on a shorter, but more memorible expirience. As much as I want to blame EA, I think Popcap is equally responsible for the games failure. But hey, Its never to late I suppose... I hope popcap takes their community into consideration in the future, rather with PVZ3, or even PVZ4... I think the only way PVZ could really ever return to its former glory is if they went back to their roots. Id like to see a mix of PVZ2s level variety and PVZ1s pacing... Of course thats all just my oppinion, as sad as it is popcap makes more money when they appeal to a younger demographic, so I doubt we will ever see PVZ meet our expectations...

[@petelee2477]

Story? I don't remember plants vs zombies 1 having that much of a story. The entire "story" is Zombies are attacking your house use these plants to defend it.

[@Mark_RealMark]

Why didn't they add any new content in this beta?

[@numbskull_justashinyfuecoco]

Because PopCap doesnt care about this game and if they want to rely more on PvZ2 maybe they should y'know put actual new levels instead of more plants that are either useless or overpowered

[@WillMAW2]

@@numbskull_justashinyfuecoco finish the vid 💀

[@numbskull_justashinyfuecoco]

@@WillMAW2 I finished the vid? These were just my thoughts on it

[@Jack_Saint_Archive]

*OMG! It's the real Mark!*

[@petrikhorr]

(Real)

[@ThemissingJem_09]

As a die hard pvz fan, i am sad to see that pvz i just going downhill

[@wheelotime2581]

I love playing Homesc...I mean PvZ 3 (This comment was sponsored by EA and Popcap)

[@enforcer0regidragoregicean902]

E

[@Jack_Saint_Archive]

A

[@lebollsong]

Sports

[@enforcer0regidragoregicean902]

it's in the game

[@enforcer0regidragoregicean902]

*Virtual three-way five*

[@satorugojo6921]

"I've been playing PvZ since I was five." ... Me too man. PvZ is there as far as I remember. I recently got back into it because my friend asked me to get him PvZ GoTY, then I got nostalgiac and I thought I'd see how the PvZ 2 modding community went, seeing that I left because I couldn't stand how monetized and paywalled it was. The community came in clutch and made me very happy, but PvZ 3 is making me lose faith again... I just hope they return to some of the basics and start reworking it. I hope I can be proud to say I've been playing a series for so long, one so near and dear to countless hours spent since my very youngest years. Side note: I REMEMBER THE FIRST ONE IS PAID FOR, IF YOU MAKE A PAID VERSION WITHOUT THE BS I'LL BUY IT! PLEASE, JUDT DON’T LET THESE CHANGES CARRY OVER INTO THE FINAL GAME!

[@aptspikeybird1005]

I played when I was like 9 or younger. Pvz better not take this god awful turn

[@shockdoggo6889]

If theres anything to take away from this, just know that its insanely funny how popcap went from a strip poker game to this

[@KBryanWhite]

good point

[@sinsgal]

the graphics in Pvz 3 look like nursery rymes animated version

[@koalapvz]

I definitely agree about the 'puzzle' point. Absolutely shameful how desperate PvZ 3 is trying to be a game it's not meant to be. Feels like they took all of the bad elements of puzzle games (lives, no picking plants)... and made a whole game out of them... And I've always had the same opinion on the Google Forms they give... it's just an embarrasment of the whole meaning of 'feedback'

[@Bloodshed_Knight]

“Hell, there’s a fucking Five nights at Freddy’s noise in hear” had me dying

[@elijahgabay5563]

They are really not gonna change their main idea because nothing changed throughout the years and it looks like they do not care about the community's feedback overall.

[@infineoinfinite]

Popcap has not only betrayed us, but the best franchise itself

[@ghostygirl2395]

The best part about the FNAF noise is that if you press a button and hear that, you're probably about to die. Seems like an omen for this game or its fanbase.

[@The_hot_blue_fire_guy]

I think that the reason why people are somewhat blaming PVZ3s problems on EA is because EA is notorious for forcing the studios that they own to do what they want. Essentially what people are saying is that if popcap wasn’t forced to make a free to play mobile puzzle game. They wouldn’t. That if it was up to the developers at popcap and not the EA executives then PVZ3 would be more like PVZ1 and PVZ2. Even if we assume that EA has absolutely no influence on popcap whatsoever. People are still going to blame EA because they own popcap and people don’t like EA. I might be wrong about this and it’s only popcap That is pushing for these changes and won’t listen. But knowing EA I would not be surprised if they at least in some way are forcing popcap to make certain decisions even if the fans don’t like it.

[@Mymy_64]

I find it weird how they would change certain aspects that were crucial in the last 2 just for change. I especially find the fact that they nerf Peashooter baffling as that makes the gameplay incredibly slower.

[@T3rr0r626]

I'm just gonna copy/paste by comment from your community post as it applies here: I played a little bit of it and I just hate that you can really feel that it's a 2022 mobile game, especially with the U.I and Homescapes style "customization". PvZ 2 expanded on the first in nearly every way, so much to the point where I was barely able to realize that it was meant for mobile when I was playing it on PC. PvZ 3 (take this with a grain of salt as the game isn't anywhere near finished yet) just doesn't expand on 2 the way 2 did for the first game. The new plants aren't really that different and the few new gimmicks don't add anything, they just slightly change the game. I actually don't mind the art style as it feels like a natural evolution of the PvZ 2 style but gameplay wise is just isn't all the way there. I think they should just fully release the game and market it as a spinoff akin to heroes rather than an official numbered entry into a trilogy with really high standards already in place.

[@Zeedop]

i hope something similar to what happened to crash happens to pvz

[@Subjecttochannel]

One thing I noticed was the screenshot of the survey you included said "Did you feel like powerups were necessary to *solve* a level" emphasis mine. So they fully intend for beating the levels to be the 'puzzle'

[@UlyssesK402]

If Plants vs. Zombies is a puzzle game, so is Age of Empires.

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

I just wish this game would combine the self contained sufficient and indie feeling PVZ with the more complex and challenging gameplay from PVZ 2

[@mwiah5089]

I just want a faithful sequel to the first game…..

[@Jerealistic]

I mean, there are some levels in PvZ and PvZ2 where they automatically choose your plants, and they were pretty fun. I still think it would be pretty boring and repetitive if they made that every level

[@silverpotato4272]

The difference is that those were special challenge levels that were fun since they limited a freedom that you usually had, making it more difficult. This just takes away your freedom for everything, which just isn't fun

[@Jerealistic]

@@silverpotato4272 True

[@heyheyitsjae2475]

2:17 Come on now, how could we forget that time our mother (not the zombies) invited us over for "meatloaf." God tier writing! As someone who's seen nothing of PvZ3 so far, I'll give it one thing, it looks like these levels have a lot of slopes! The catapults on the roof thing was an interesting gameplay mechanic in PvZ1 that never really went anywhere. If slopes still work like they did there the peashooter vs cabbagepult meta could become a lot more interesting... that is, if you could pick your plants.

[@larrymantic2635]

Tbf with that “meatloaf” bit, it was written by the zombies. But even they could probably write something better… or probably not.

[@istolethispfpfromreddit]

I’ve recently installed once again Pvz heroes, and I can certainly say that Popcap doesn’t care the slightest. The “newest” card pack was from 4+ years ago

[@robertlupa8273]

At least that one guy at Popcap recently decided to bring back Huge-G packs so that people who missed the Galactic Gardens launch could still get him. It took like _3 years_ for them to do that. Though I'm pretty sure that's gone by now...

[@StoutShako]

The "door / light not working" FNaF sound effect being used as a goddamn button set off my fight or flight SO hard wtf

[@Shiryuu-x5o]

pv3 should be somethinglike pvz2 without microtranscationsand more lvls ( andmore dave )

[@bigdog3695]

Tbf most mobile games have micro transactions. The only way I can see them not having them would be the full game being hid behind a paywall. (That's how most mobile games I see do it)

[@tly4254]

one big problem I have (at least from what I've seen) is that it doesn't expand of pvz2 and instead feels like we're moving backwards. Like, we went from TIME TRAVELING to hanging out in your town, would be fine if pvz2 doesn't exist but it does so

[@carlosemilio385]

I honestly hate the f***ing excuse of “oH, wElL, aCtUaLlY, tHiS GaMe iS JuSt a bEtA So yOu cAn’t cOmPlEtElY JuDgE FrOm iT, iT Is gOiNg tO GeT BeTtEr” No, that isn’t how a beta works, the point of a beta is to get feedback from the player base and the community, a beta is not the same thing as a demo. This stupid mindset of excusing bad designed games just because “iTs a bEtA” is what is causing them to be bad in the first place. (That or the creators of modern mobile games wouldn’t give a shit or two just because they want to make a quick buck) The point of a beta is to receive criticism, to obtain more information about flaws in your game from the community so that the creator themselves can fix it or better yet, improve upon their work Why do you think video games like Five Nights at Freddy’s, Minecraft, Among Us or Undertale received so much love during the years when they reached their peak or even now? Because they heard from the community by receiving criticism, a beta is no exception from recieving critisism Let’s use an amazing example to compare a beta to something else, like movies for example, remember the old model for Sonic in the Sonic movie? Yeah who doesn’t remember that atrocity (I found it funny that they even made it out on their way to put the old model in the chip and dale movie lol) What if people would’ve just started saying “It’s just a trailer, it could get better” Tell me, what do you think would’ve happened next? If your answer was “They would’ve fixed the Sonic model” No you f***ing idiot, they would’ve kept Sonic as it was first shown in the first trailer and the movie would’ve been most likely a flop cause of that, then you would be asking yourself “Why wouldn’t they fix the Sonic model?” How were they supposed to know that they needed to fix the model if they didn’t receive any complains about him in the first place? That is why the Sonic movie did amazing once the real sonic model came out, because everyone was so distraught and angry about the Sonic model, Sega, Paramount and everyone working on the movie went out on their way to fix the model on every single freaking frame for the movie, do you know how much work and effort it takes to make a bad model, use it to render it on the whole movie and then change the model to render it again?! Sega could’ve said “nah fuck that” but because they love their community so much, they went out on their way to fix the ENTIRE movie and guess what?! It was a massive success!!! Everyone loved the new sonic model! It holds up to how our man Sonic really is! Now lets take the concept of a “trailer” from a movie and use it as a concept of a “beta” for a video game, see the similarities? A “beta” is almost the same concept of a “trailer”, they are made to be released for the public so that they can ask us “Let us know what you think” So this is what I think about this game I agree on everything that 660nj says about the beta for this game, this game feels like a PvZ Chinese knockoff but with almost nothing from what we love about PvZ: The levels are either empty and boring or they are really bullshit with no challenge whatsoever, there aren’t enough plants for 50 levels for a PvZ game (even the first PvZ game had more than 50 plants with 50 different levels wtf is up with that?), why the f*** did they think that putting up a life system was good for this game’s health, this is probably by far the worst “fEaTuRe” in the entire history of video games because of how shitty it is, I don’t care what anyone has to say about this mechainc, it’s stupid, useless, unhelpful, annoying, stressing and absurd I hate this thing from the bottom of my soul, the levels feel repetitive and they are basically 50 different tutorials which is frustrating and WHERE THE F IS CHOOSE YOUR SEEDS??? (Even the first pvz3 beta got choose your seeds “kind of” right by showing you off all the zombies that are going to be on the next level) Look, we don’t criticize games because it makes us feel better or because we want to relieve stress or some shit like that, we criticize games because we want to see the game improve, to not let this game just be just a shittier version of pvz1, the only thing I can say that I it is good about this game is the music & artstyle for the plant side, yes, I admit it, the artstyle is cute and loveable, I’m an artist myself and I can say that they put a lot of effort and love for the artstyle of some of these plants, especially sunflower, she looks adorable and full of life whenever she produces sun, yeah its not the same artstyle as in pvz1 or pvz2, but it is definitely a loveable artstyle that I could watch all day, not sure if I can say the same thing for the zombies tho but I’ll leave that aside. Also, you can never go wrong with music if you at least know the basic fundamentals for it, I make my own music in FL studio for myself and for a video game that I am planning on making and I can say that music is definitely important for a video game but companies like PopCap always make amazing music and its the same deal here as well. I am genuinely just sad on how this game is going, I am just… I don’t know, probably stressed out on seeing that history is basically repeating itself, it happened with Battle for Neighborville and I am afraid that if PopCap keeps it up like this, the same thing will happen for PvZ3….

[@michadylawerski2939]

I just noticed how the Lily Pads blink synchronically at least in level 50

[@SeisoYabai]

Good God why is it so goddamn ugly? Sunflowers look good, zombies look decent, but the animations are so... uncanny. Why do they look like flattened 3D models? And the Bonk Choy is just... I want to barf...

[@Spudbrainz]

Yeah man! I hate how they changed the eating animation of zombies, now they don’t even look like they’re eating the plants which is the original concept?? I hate it so much

[@basimaziz]

I had no idea PVZ3 was a thing. But if you can't pick your plants...? Wow that's... That's bad... I hope 9 months later that changed.

[@randomyoutuber4189]

14:36 Something something PopCap ruined PvZ

[@mrmangbro6842]

I didn't even know pvz3 existed before this

[@Shark-pj8in]

The biggest issue for me is no level map, no plant picking, and lives. The garden scape thing is fine but I'd rather switch it for something eles.

[@AEAG9YT_]

Popcap should make this a PvZ Adventure remaster. Not only will this be a big day for the 9 people who played that game,it would save the face of the franchise.

[@wesleynichols1873]

The fact the OG PvZ is 100x better than this 3rd main series iteration is really saying something.

[@BobinstonYO]

The 2 features i want in pvz 3 the most are choose your own plants and longer levels

[@crispybacon2]

I don't know man, I feel like pvz3 is just another type of mobile game. I think they are trying to bring back the "nostalgia" to the game but failed.

[@j-t-v-ideos6583]

“Wdym, they changed the game entirely, isn’t that enough for you people?” - That one guy.

[@TheRealMario0335]

Never was a big enjoyer of 2 (EA reasons) but I respected it somewhat for keeping in touch with the same feel of the first game. This third installation isn't anything like what I thought would happen. Not. A. Fan. I also really don't like the art style, but that's just my own take.

[@mr.productions327]

I used to be a big enjoyed of pvz2 until it got ruined with updates (gacha game reasons).

[@petrikhorr]

"ea reasons" = "i like spreading misinformation on the internet"

[@TheRealMario0335]

@@petrikhorr “ea reasons” = “I don’t like games riddled with in app purchases in order to play properly and/or enjoyably.”

[@lollol339bleh6]

I think the locked seedbank would only work if they do a challenge feature for previously completed levels. They should allow you to play as you please first, and then afterwards have a harder challenge with a pre-picked/difficult set with extra rewards.

[@iandean1112]

I've yet to play any of these games since PvZ on my DS, and that game still seems more worth it

[@Starpotion]

I think it's kinda funny how the PvZ 3 art style isn't even objectively bad, but it's such a massive and unnecessary shift from PvZ 2

[@Mark_RealMark]

Why haven't you talked about the sun cost of plants?

[@660nj]

I need to know who the fuck made this

[@buckethead_cdsonic]

@Mark your pfp is accurate

[@Jack_Saint_Archive]

*Mark, is that the real you?* 🤯😱😱