BOUNDARIES ARE SET | Sister Wives | David and Allison react to Season 19 E.5

[@Thatsmyshoe]

"If it's brown and it stinks it's probably sh%t." I nominate Gabe for the best line on this show in the last 4 years.

[@nrusso967]

Put that phrase on a t-shirt!

[@MsJunana]

It’s really K. Brown yeah 🤣

[@itsbrimeeks]

Some facts and an opinion: Gabe was 7 when Robyn and her kids came into the family. Robyn has said that Gabe was among the children who TRAUMATIZED /her/ when she came into the family. A seven year old who lived in poverty was essentially abandoned by his dad once he got money. The opinion: I think Gabe is implying that the favored children/wife got resources that everyone needed and treated everyone else accordingly - and that Robyn is trying to rewrite history or ignore that context.

[@vickyhoffman7743]

How the hell does a 7 yr old traumatize a grown ass adult?

[@karrieburgess2325]

@@itsbrimeeks gosh so sad! Some of the kids were so little! The older kids saw the writing on the wall! There are not many teens who have had food insecurity and have had to share their dad with 15 others at least want to welcome three more kids and then two more little ones into the picture. And the oldest kids had to raise the youngest kids because Kody could not be bothered with actually raising the OG kids. When you think of little Gabe only being 7. The OG kids were basically Cinderella! Praying they all Joy and peace now! ❤️🙏

[@itsbrimeeks]

@@vickyhoffman7743 precisely!

[@itsbrimeeks]

@@karrieburgess2325 it’s so so sad. I hope they all find healing.

[@suzannehribal4117]

@@vickyhoffman7743exactly. he doesn’t.

[@theresadavis5440]

Gabe may have a lot of angst but at the same time his level of maturity surpasses that of his father. 👀

[@staceyvance5260]

That’s why he has angst.

[@maggieyoung8090]

He is so hurt! He can’t hide the hurt that his father has inflicted on him. 😢😭

[@debraholmes2854]

Anger well placed

[@k.frutchey3672]

He’s reacting exactly the way he should!

[@cristyhenson4750]

Allison: "Now that I know Robyn did, I judge it more." Best moment in video.

[@artphotognh]

I LOVED that moment!

[@SampfanCresta]

Wait, the woman that married him when she was 19, accepted him taking new wives and even went along with divorcing him so he could marry the newest younger favourite wife and then kept waiting for him to decide to be fully in her life and bed again...is the most loyal wife off all, at the point of hurting herself. How dare Noodle head say she is not loyal to him or easygoubg accepting Janelle not being loyal to him?

[@tamelaj1984]

Exactly

[@niclivings]

I think Kody is talking about the catfishing incident (which never aired in the show). But he was withdrawing from Meri even before that.

[@becky9103]

@@niclivings Meri was a divorced woman at that time. He had his affairs while they were married.

[@becky9103]

Or the woman who raised, fed and homeschooled his OG brood of 13.

[@wintersolstice4793]

Exactly! Also, just last season he called her loyal, he mentioned her being the loyal wife that he didn't want. The dude can't keep his stories straight. Meri's his soul mate (S1), Meri's Loyal (S18), I never loved her (S18-19), Meri's not loyal (S19). He's all over the place.

[@corkwoman]

No. Gabe is saying that if Robyn thinks THAT badly of the OG children, has INVENTED that they mistreated her children, well.... there's nowhere to go with that or her. Gabe is right.

[@Cornwall3]

Yes, this.

[@TheBoldandTheBeLoved]

💯

[@YahavehsSoldier]

Yes, exactly! I found your comment before I could say it.

[@DearestDawn]

Gabe is saying things to appease his mom

[@bttrflykss17b]

This is exactly what I'm trying to say! Gabe is right.

[@krystlejade9126]

Kody gave Meri that necklace in Vegas and specifically said he wanted something about "loyalty" engraved on it to describe her. He rewrites history when it suits him.

[@chickenmama823]

Typical narcissist

[@deehente8530]

Right - again, he and Robyn try to overwrite history.

[@Imzadi]

I recall this as well. It’s madness!

[@Angelface11]

Yep. Sadly that's what narcs do

[@barbaragrathwohl6128]

Yes! I remember that!

[@cherylcoetsee9348]

Robyn "i was the first to do it" she must be the first, favorite & best at everything.

[@LookAtWow]

She won the blue ribbon in placenta chewing

[@maganalia]

@@LookAtWow 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Flossie921]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@leahwalker7852]

@@LookAtWow😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@carrieclark636]

Yay! Robyn, you won the most disgusting person award!🤮🤮🤮

[@raynasmr]

I don’t think Gabe wants a relationship with Kody anymore. He wants a sane Kody, but realizes that will never happen.

[@maganalia]

Imagine living across the street from your dads new family, and gradually he picked them over you. That's so sad.

[@kimberlybrown5348]

Bingo

[@brite1217]

Yep. This is exactly what happens to a child of a narcissist who seeks mental help. You realize just how far the narcissist is gone, how much abuse you’ve received at their hands, and you know you’ll never have the relationship they made you think you had when you were younger

[@ABCD-si7px]

100 💯

[@07Flash11MRC]

When was the last time Kody was sane? Probably before the show.

[@joschaarschmidt151]

1) Gabe doesn’t want a relationship with Kody. He wants a relationship with a good dad, but he doesn’t have a good dad. He has recognized that. 2) regarding Robyn, he wasn’t saying he can’t have a relationship with her because her kids were favorited. He was saying that while his dad was favoriting her and her kids, the other moms and kids were bending over backwards to support her and her kids. If she looked at that and said l’m your victim” while he was serving her needs, he wants no part of her. He’s right

[@lindalaffredi7244]

I agree

[@TheBoldandTheBeLoved]

💯

[@joeswife]

This!

[@Amalthia79]

The part about Gabe not being able to have a relationship with Robyn if she truly believes he was being mean and disrespectful is because they called him those things when he would point out the blatant favoritism. So he was only stating the facts but if she can't comprehend the truth then he can't work on a relationship with her.

[@BexarPrepper]

This!!! Blessings

[@hotpinkthread]

He was 7! That is all I gotta say is they Robyn’s stories do not match up with who these kids were. Of course there was kid stuff and name calling going on among the siblings, but no 7 year old, who was as sweet and soft as Gabe was, was bullying a whole grown ass adult woman coming into his family!

[@Graupella]

After this Robyn said that Gabe came and hugged her at Logan’s wedding, and told her he loved her. He is such a sweet young man and he’s still trying to mend things, if what she said is true.

[@annettebrady6535]

I think & I could be wrong that sobbin didn't like Gabe was because him & Aurura were close & she was afraid it could turn into something else.

[@TheresaWebster-f7i]

Robyn fabricates her own separate reality. If she can't accept truths, then the family will never come together.

[@sherriromas5871]

"I want a big house for my whole family to come anytime they want" says the man who had a two seater car with 18 kids. Also, I disagree with your disagreeing on Gabe's take on Robin. They are not two separate things. He is saying if Robin can't be honest about reality, then I cannot have a relationship with her. If she continues to pretend that she was not favored, with Kody's love, time, affection and finances, then they cannot move forward.

[@meganosiejak5818]

Gabe ‘Robyn plays the Victim’ rest of the episode is Robyn doing EXACTLY THAT!!

[@flenzy]

Maybe the producers set it up to show that exactly.

[@MarkMay-cr6bv]

@@flenzy I doubt it. If the producers had any guts they would insert clips of things Kody said in the past that directly contradict things he just said on camera, something that happens all the time including Sunday's latest episode. But the rarely do. TLC treats Kody with kid glvoes the same way Sukanya Krishnan tosses him softball, even beachball questions on the season wrap-ups.

[@flenzy]

@@MarkMay-cr6bv I hate the reunions because of this. Kody controls it all.

[@crimsonite2044]

Fake tears and all, still going on about “how did it go wrong” like ma’am, Christine and Janelle have moved on and are living their best lives whereas she and Kody are still in their bitter/mourning era

[@crimsonite2044]

@@flenzyhe talks like a manipulative preacher

[@metalmavin]

Gabe is not at peace. Gabe is frustrated and angry, but he is gaining understanding as to why his father and Robyn are the way they are and he is coming to accepting that having a deep relationship with the two of them isn’t in his mental health interest at this time and maybe never. I had to do the same with my mother. I still have moments of anger and frustration at the deficiencies in that parental relationship. I could not be happy maintaining a one-sided relationship, so I made what peace I could. I continue to work on that peace. That is where Gabe seems to be, and I applaud him for it. Gabe deserves more than Kody is equipt to give him. Good for Gabe.

[@theclockworkpineapple]

Well said! I'm right there with you in terms of parental relationships.

[@gwennation7550]

Gabe has given up. Kody is a lost cause.

[@tracim3080]

Yup, I’m in a similar situation with my sister. It’s hard and gets frustrating but I feel so much better after setting those boundaries and getting a few months of not worrying about managing a toxic relationship has been the best thing for me.

[@julieannegarfield3108]

Eloquently said. Think you've hit the nail on the head there

[@Fuzzyedgz]

I have this experience as well. Dave is right, you have to figure out what you can tolerate and accept things as they are.

[@wendyjohnson6140]

Behind Gabes wise words though is hurt & abandonment by his Dad.

[@jblkcns]

Just like Garrison's Father Figure statement. Those kids were hurting.

[@jo-annewilkinson5663]

I would be great if the kids could go to the ABU to divorce themselves from Kotex for abandonment.

[@laurenhahn890]

I agree. Gabe was rly close w kidy and were all or most janelles kids. Christines kids except aspyn were never close to him. Ironically its christines kids that talk to him still , however intermittently, and janelles kids will not. Its because janelles kids are hurt more because they used to be close to him. Christines kids were always treated crappily so nothing rly changed for them so they dont care as much

[@hotpinkthread]

I am just so happy that the older kids are not blaming their mothers for staying with Kody while he was obviously choosing Robyn and her family over the rest of them. It is refreshing to see they drop all the blame on Kody!

[@kendrajohnson9049]

Kody literally said, "If you guys want to GO BACK to conforming to patriarchy," and "I wanna take back control of my family." How was he never patriarchal? He fkn grinds my gears with the rewriting of truth!!🤦🏾‍♀️🙄

[@LookAtWow]

He's trying to fool not only his (majority-ex) wives and himself but also the audience. Kody, we SAW that

[@nelliekenny9630]

💯

[@3Zeppoli]

He's fundamentally a liar

[@JP-OldSkoolRaver]

It was at that point I shouted 'Liar' at my TV 🤨🙄

[@leahwalker7852]

@@3Zeppoli❤

[@cindykurneck]

I'm with David on the placenta picture and the bite out of it LOL

[@shirleybender]

That was disgusting 🤮

[@alexx5064]

it’s absolutely foul

[@beandipshell]

Sorry Allyson, but David is right on this one. GROSS!!! TLC please don't show this type of thing again.

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

I started to dry heave.

[@vickyhoffman7743]

Gross! Keep it off tv

[@amlacy9127]

When Kody said that Meri was never loyal, I turned to my mom and said “Wait…didn’t he literally DESIGN her a necklace that had “loyalty” in Latin on it?” Kody is a clown.

[@LS-bm9sv]

Robyn misses the abstract big family dream wherethe players are nameless faceless objects. She doesn't miss any of the 16+ individuals she lost. She laments she lost an annual dinner but couldn't give a fig that the OG3 lost a husband & life partner. Telling on herself.

[@elizabethndiema5155]

And the easy money.

[@fourleaf8055]

So true! She doesn’t care at all they lost their husband. She only cares about herself!!!!

[@tree2me]

Kody may have cried over losing Meri's income ...

[@nancyremington2234]

Exactly, and what she would financially go after.

[@katherinenelson5905]

As others have said Gabe was 7! In this conversation he talks about being best friends with Robin's daughter in middle school and looking out for Paton in high school, that is not how someone traumatizing your children behaves, Gabe even excused their behavior knowing Robin's kids had to pick her side. Janelle talked about how close her older boys are to Savanna, those boys raised her not Kody. Janelle even said that Savanna told her she wants her brothers to walk her down the aisle someday, not Kody, that speak volumes about how involved Kody is. I remember the piolet where Logan is making breakfast for all his younger brothers and sister as Janelle gets ready for work, Christine has talked about Kody NOT tucking her kids into bed when she worked the night shift to help support the whole family, Kody let Truley almost die because he was too busy with Robin's kids (who had a nanny!). He has been a terrible father for years.

[@Trisha-yv2jn]

Imagine having 18 kids and 13 of them have nothing to do with you. That speaks volumes!

[@marciareiff1572]

And only 2 of the remaining 5 are his .biological offspring

[@shannonabernathy8152]

David, Gabe has every right to decide if he's willing to expose himself to his dad's toxicity. He's 23 years old. I don't understand your position. I'm an old lady with adult children. It is 100% my responsibility to nurture the relationship with my children. To accept responsibility for my mistakes and apologize for the hurt I caused. That is not unreasonable to expect from any adult relationship. Much less your children. I have also buried an adult child. One thing I learned is that you don't ever leave an "I love you" or even the smallest compliment left unsaid. It is a shame that Cody will never learn this lesson.

[@ashleypg1708]

You sound like an AMAZING mom & I'm so sorry for your loss. I agree with everything you said. ❤

[@aimeeguzman6758]

I think he was saying if he wants a relationship with Kody he's going to have to approach it differently. Kody will never go and take 100% accountability. But it is Gabe's choice if he wants to cut him out or not.

[@elizaethforeman249]

I’m so very sorry about the loss of your son, my heart goes out to you and all the kids truly does , proud of Gab for setting his boundaries, I think his father should have come forward with the full apology, but I don’t think he ever will. He’s to self absorbed.

[@jbloomfield619]

Boundaries are a good thing. As an adult, Gabe has the right to say,' No. I don't want you around since his dad has hurt him over and over.'

[@kacklina]

He literally said that if Kody said the same things to him as his father he would want to kill him. I think his stance is that there is nothing wrong with being angry at a father like Kody, but you have to acknowledge that emotion, Gabe is angry, and is in his right to feel like that. Anger is not necessarily a negative emotion, it can be fair, a means of self-preservation, part of a recovery and processing process, and for sure it is better than repressing your emotions to "be at peace." I'm sorry for the loss of your son, :(, but David also keeps saying that if anyone has to apologize or has the full responsibility of fixing the relationship with his children, it's Kody, and that he can't stand that Kody puts all the responsibility on his children, he seriously says it in a lot of videos, he just said that unfortunately someone like Kody doesn't have the ego for that, and the furthest he can go as he is now, if Gabe is interested, is to say that they both did something wrong. I don't think that's means he was saying that was the best thing to do or what Gabe had to do, he was just explaining, I think,as I said, that he thinks that's as far as Kody can go and that it was probably the only way to resolve it, but that don't means he is saying Gabe has to do it, it's a good thing Gabe doesn't want to resolve it if those are the terms, in my opinion.

[@phanicemulengwa1440]

I want a ROBYN RUINS EVERYTHING t-shirt

[@maganalia]

Good one!

[@WHISTL3R]

Yes plz I would wear that 😂

[@Angelface11]

That is so true about a narcissist though. They literally do ruin everything. I mean there's so many things that I used to like to do and you still like to talk like even and I can't because it reminds me of the freaking narcissist and the bad spin they put on it.

[@rebeccajones4stories]

My favorite line!

[@jananderson5712]

I would wear one.

[@ashleydavis5559]

Meri isn't loyal? She allowed you to marry Janelle, who was her RECENTLY EX SISTER IN LAW. She agreed to get a divorce so you could adopt Robyn's kids. Nah, we're not doing that rewrite.

[@judykpremier]

Kody confuses loyalty with absolute obedience.

[@stephw1702]

Narcissists continuously contradict themselves in an effort to keep up the public perception they want. He is lying pure and simple just as he lies about never loving his first three wives.

[@Kirstenshelves]

When he designed the necklaces for my Sister Wives Closet, he designed for and about every wife a pendant. About Meri it was with Fidelis written in it, with big letters. It is the latin word for loyal!

[@PJV-rf4ng]

and meri didn't expose how Kody spent every moment at robyn's home. Meri stayed AFTER her catfish incident to take the wrath of Kody because she believed in the faith and being loyal to him. i agree, she's INCREDIBLY loyal.

[@2013aurora]

I understood what Gabe was saying. He was saying that if Robyn truly believes that they were mistreated when all the kids were trying to make them feel welcome, then he doesn’t see a point in dealing with her anymore. The OG Brown kids have always been treated as adults by Robyn. She holds grudges about kids being kids. They are admonished for not accepting her right away when they were literally children having a woman and her kids forced upon them when they were already struggling. Logan and Aspen were already surrogate parents. I don’t blame Gabe for not wanting to deal with Robyn. She’s insufferable.

[@jananderson5712]

Robyn was angry that some of the children were not over the moon excited when she got pregnant and I truly believe she turned against the kids because of that, that woman knows how to keep a grudge going.

[@kimberlycrowley7948]

Robyn has to always find a way to bring it back to her...even eating a placenta...

[@carrieclark636]

So gross!!! Of course, Robyn was the first!🤮🤮🤮

[@jcam5064]

She is ridiculously self indulgent. The first in the family, sure. But many have done it before. And how maniacal of mykelti to just take a bite out of her raw placenta. That girl is coocoo.

[@_goblin-_-mode_]

She could have said "yep I did it too." But the emphasis on first, makes it really seem like she's competing for something here. Weird behavior.

[@heidikz69]

My mom & dad divorced when I was 7. I saw my dad once a year at Christmas when he dropped of presents from my Grandma. That lasted 2 years then it stopped. I had lived less than 10 miles from him my whole life. He didn't have a relationship with me. I tried everything I could, even brought his grandchildren to him. He died in 2019 just before my 50th birthday. You cannot miss what you never had. I decided it was healthier for my kids to not feel rejected like I had. I commend Gabe for realizing that at his age. I do not mourn the loss of my father, just the relationship he missed out on.

[@bridgettross4589]

My father left my mother for another woman when I was born and I never saw or heard from him again. I’m 71 now and after learning how he was and learning from other children he had what a deadbeat and drunk he was, I consider myself blessed that he wasn’t in my life. I don’t blame any of Kodys kids for walking away for him for their own sanity and peace of mind.

[@lizsays3324]

Kody has wasted so much love, thrown away so many relationships, given up on all these wonderful children. He has been blessed with this large family, but blew it all up. It's a tragedy.

[@fourleaf8055]

I do too. My dad is in my life currently but he missed out on 2 decades of my life and my children when they were young. It took me a long time to get over that

[@loriboyce942]

I am so sorry that you went through that with your dad. You’re absolutely right. You cannot miss what you never had. I’m sure that you have grown into something so great he could never imagine it. All the best to you.

[@heidikz69]

@bridgettross4589 My father did the same to my mom, he had a fling. While I am the first to say that my mother treated him horribly, still is no excuse to break a vow you made. And I take those to heart, hubby, and I have been married 28 of the 31 years we have been together.

[@elizabethndiema5155]

Robyn is financially concerned and is in need of the other wives resources. She didn't think they would leave with their children after she mistreated them.

[@lbarmstrong1]

Yes, THAT is why she has collapsed on the floor of her bathroom, she knows she's going to have to go to work!

[@elizabethndiema5155]

​@lbarmstrong1 very true. She checked all her vision board list. She forgot to add a way to "keep" them because she still needs them to "work" for her to live a free easy luxurious life.

[@tinavogel7966]

So there was an episode where Kody designed necklaces for all the wives each with a symbol. And he gave Meri the necklace with a symbol for loyalty. And now he's saying she was never loyal. I've never ever seen anyone with such a lack of self awareness as Kody.

[@kimc7699]

Accepting that a parent isn't the parent you need and want on an emotional level can take years of personal work. Cutting out Robyn isnt the challenge. Grasping with your own father not being engaged, accepting and loving with you is a long healing process that takes time.

[@shawnmorymcmillion]

I got all 3 Covid variants, ended up in the hospital several times and was admitted to the ICU for several days. I have had long Covid for 2 years and still have general fatigue and trouble breathing. Every time I see Kody and Robyn talk about their “devastating” experience with Covid, they make me puke with disgust.

[@kimb7962]

Coming from that culture I believe Gabe did what was absolutely the best for him. Polygamy definitely defines male patriarchy.

[@Sarah-l8c5f]

Did anyone catch where he said he loved his wives and was trying to protect them… Yet in the next breath, he’s been saying how he never loved any of them

[@Mourann]

Allison being open minded about the placenta eaters, but judgy about Janelle's crowded kitchen counters made me laugh out loud.

[@WRN383]

I couldn't stop laughing when he said they could all move in together and Robyn's facial expression. It was like I like McKelti but I don't want them living in my home😂.

[@mariel.8809]

That scene cracked me up! K & R have a 4500 square foot house, but need a bigger house so Mykelti and Tony can come visit??? I think they’ve lost all perspective of how normal people live. Spoiled and ridiculous

[@WRN383]

@@mariel.8809 It's all Robyn's lies about wanting a plural family that made me laugh she nearly chocked when Kody said they could move in and live together Robyn looked relieved when McKelti said no chance in hell. I always thought Kody was bad but at that point I thought you've believed her narrative he has been well and truly duped by Robyn.

[@elizabethndiema5155]

True. She keeps Mykelti and her husband close so as to spy on the rest of the family.

[@Angelface11]

​@@mariel.8809I think there's some really weird things going on in that home because they don't want to film in it and for a long time they haven't wanted any of the family over at her house and they have a hard time even having Mary over for a freaking holiday because you know Cody says they'll be all over each other I mean give me a break none of us believe that. If you can't call me yourself down after this many years for a few hours then that's weird. But also I don't think it's true I'm not sure what's going on in that house but it's nothing good because the fact that they can't even have anybody over there his own kids and other wives even I mean that is just odd. I believe Peyton said it and they've all said it like they would have to text him and you know then Robin didn't want anybody there and it's just really odd.... Something weird is going on over there I'm just not sure what it is. I mean when they did film them playing a game together it was so awkward and not normal and the kids are just so strange and miserable because of all the crap they hear all the time from Cody and I'm sure Robin. I just think that they can't be their real selves around the camera and the other wives and the kids so they've got to hide how evil they are all the time I think it's just that they're very evil Cody's nasty and Robin is not nice and very controlling... So I think it's just a really dysfunctional dynamic and I'm sure we'll hear a mouthful whenever Cody leaves Robin or she leaves him probably first I'm sure Cody will go on and on about it and of course rewrite history but I'm sure he'll tell a little bit of truth about what really went on. I mean they both lie but I can tell you right now after being with a narcissist and the fact that they are both narcissists there's some very dysfunctional things going on there in that household.

[@Angelface11]

​@@elizabethndiema5155Yes I agree with that she wants to worship but she also loves taking kids or what feels like taking kids from the other wives. Because her and Cody wanted a monarchy that's very clear. They wanted to be king and queen and have everybody bow down to them but they certainly don't want everybody living with them unless they're going to worship them but Robin doesn't want that anyway and I'm not quite sure why? I think she wants to portray the victim but we all know how she is when the cameras aren't around she's incredibly controlling beyond manipulative and I think she's probably mean I think she's there's a high possibility that she's like a screaming crazy person.... To her own kids I think you know she portrays herself like she's somebody that is a bit Munchausen by proxy. Because it's very weird that they never want cameras in their house, They don't want like most of the kids over there or they don't want wives over there nobody was allowed to like just come over there after a certain time of Robin being in the family. And then even to have people over for the holidays was very difficult for them for a couple hours I mean it's so weird... There's some really dark stuff going on in there because otherwise they wouldn't be like that It's just so weird

[@KateKalnicki]

"You get an F in open-mindedness" - god, I love Allison so much

[@QualeHouse]

Allison is the best!!!!!! ❤

[@ED-eh6iq]

I think what Gabe is saying about Robyn is that she and her kids got everything, all the attention, the big house. If she can’t understand why the other kids would resent that then she’s probably not capable of participating in an equal relationship with them

[@lindalaffredi7244]

The OG13 that went to College PAID for their own education. I wonder about Robyn's

[@firevinyasabybuffy]

I've been in a situation where I constantly apologized and made the concessions for the sake of relationship and peace to people older than me. At a point, I realized I was enabling poor behavior, and I was allowing them to take advantage of me therefore poor behavior towards others as well. I decided I had to draw a line in the sand. That relationship ended. The people do not talk to me, send back holiday cards, etc. I miss the relationship, but I don't feel it's right to go back. Dealing with Narcissists is nuanced and hard, more so when you love them.

[@ruthking7884]

OKAY, I have to put this out there, with Kody's comment at 12:09 on this clip. Kody saying he felt like Meri was NEVER loyal to him???? Hands up if you remember the necklaces Kody made for each of his wives....the symbol he used for Meri was LOYALTY

[@MEmyselfAndMeowfia]

YES! I was thinking that too. I get he felt betrayed due to the catfish affair, but until then he said she was the most loyal.

[@ruthking7884]

@@MEmyselfAndMeowfia True, but the only reason Meri went looking on line, was because she felt abandoned by Kody. So he does bear a minor part in that. Meri did what she did as full grown adult. But satisfied nurtured partners don't go looking for it from strangers if you are giving them what they need at home.

[@nrusso967]

@@ruthking7884 🖐

[@crimsonite2044]

She agreed to legally divorce you so you could adopt Robyn’s kids. How is that NOT loyalty!?

[@gwennation7550]

What Kody is describing is what Christine has. He and Robyn said they want to be the nuculeas of the family the place where everyone comes but that is Christine's place. He doesn't seem to realize or care that you can't keep everyone at arms length and yet try to control them and expect them to want to come over when you want them too. Give nothing get nothing.

[@deehente8530]

You are correct - Kody didn't realized that he wasn't the nucleolus. Christine raised most of the kids single handedly. Janelle was the financial brain. Meri was loyal to a fault. Robyn thought being the new shiny toy she would get all the attention - and she did, but only from Kody. She expected everyone else to want to be around her.

[@gwennation7550]

@@deehente8530 yes!!

[@Angelface11]

They don't let anybody at their house anyway for many years now most people aren't allowed and it's hard for them to even allow it at holidays so they have a very dysfunctional household I'm telling you there's some really bad stuff going on in there....

[@sherryaltepeter5637]

I think Robyn is sincerely sad that she's the only wife left. Because she enjoyed having friends & being the favorite wife. You can't be Queen Bee when all the other bees have left the hive! Hey, look at me! Oh wait, nobody gives a sh**

[@juliao2034]

Yes, it’s no fun being the general when you’ve got no soldiers.

[@Lady.Scorpio7]

Robyn says alot of things, but her actions prove otherwise. Robyn and Kody have been living monogamously ever since Vegas. She didn't have a relationship with the other wives or their children. She used them financially, took all of the family resources and has never treated the other like they were her family. The other women leaving didn't change anything in K& R life except their finances went down drastically. That's the only thing that changed. That is what Robyn is mourning, certainly not the women and their children because she had no relationship with them. She only cared about Kody and her kids.

[@Lady.Scorpio7]

Robyn doesn't have a sincere bone in her body!! She had no relationship with the other wives or their children. Her and Kody have been living monogamously ever since Vegas. When the women left, the only thing that changed was Kody and Robyn's money, it was reduced drastically. Robyn only cared about Kody. They used the women financially to fund their lavish lifestyle. Look at Robyn's actions, not her words.

[@PJV-rf4ng]

they weren't friends. she didn't go hang for coffee. robyn should join a knitting circle or a book club if she needs female companionship. sharing a husband didn't bring her friends.

[@sherryaltepeter5637]

@PJV-rf4ng My point was that it gave her people to interact with, making her feel superior

[@susanscott3333]

Gabe didn't say Kody had to take 100% accountability, he said he has to take accountability.

[@rwentzell2]

Yes exactly.

[@plcumming]

I think what Gabe said is the definition of a boundary. Gabe did try to make concessions. He did give Kody many off ramps, including going over and giving Robyn a hug at the ‘family event’. Sometimes you want a relationship with someone, AND it just is not going to happen. In 2 years Gabe can change his mind and reach out if he so desires.

[@theresecaputo7246]

It is not the child's responsibility to always be the person to concede. Gabe clearly states he is okay with the boundary he set with Kody.

[@Nicola-ii7mm]

Gabe may be young but he is so much more mature than Kody.

[@LylaRose99]

It's so infuriating that "it's porch all over again" makes complete sense to all of us lol

[@user-lq9es6wm9s]

😂😂

[@Chrissy85308]

Gabe was 7 or 8 when Robyn came into the family and she continues to say the children caused het trauma. Gabe is doing the right thing in my opinion. He has tp protect himself from Kody and Robyn's manipulating.

[@PJV-rf4ng]

right. how does a 7 year old and a 14 year old (hunter) traumatize a 30 year old woman? she's pathetic.

[@kimmiej6158]

Gabe is an adult. He has every right to set boundaries. If he were 12, maybe not, but as an adult offspring, yes

[@indyrose7165]

As a child of an alcoholic, who never could set boundaries, I feel Gabe was within his rights to set his limits.

[@pippiecarr9378]

Do you have any idea how draining it is to constantly be the bigger person? And, for some strange reason you expect all the OG's to do it with Robyn and Kody all the time. And, no. A 20 year old doesn't have to keep seeing their abusive parents.

[@kaurborealis]

💯 agree, that was a surprising take from David.

[@nelliekenny9630]

Somebody should give him a dictionary. He doesn't know what patriarchy means. He just didn't want the church to know what he was doing to Meri.

[@lstarsabb]

Right! He doesn't like the judgement of that word but using loyal everytime he talks about his family, blaming Janelle for the boys calling him out for trying to keep the family separate during covid for not "backing him" literally throwing a tantrum with the family implied Robyn wrote the rules.... Means you wanted patriarchy.

[@nrusso967]

@@nelliekenny9630 Or for Meri to start telling Kody's perceived (in Kody's mind) "secrets"!

[@andiethatcurlygurl4040]

Crying laughing at David’s reaction to the placenta 😂

[@robbinshifflette9553]

I thought he was gonna lose his tea. 😂😂😂😂❤

[@JessRodr]

Please watch the entirety of the show! There’s 18 seasons of Kody doing & saying all the crazy crap he now says he never did or said! It’s literally on video

[@sodoodle296]

I think Gabe is saying nothing changes if Robyn believes the problematic behavior here is that of janelles kids. And if that is really her opinion, nothing changes. Kodys going to continue to 'protect' that group, Robyn is going to continue to manufscture drama and hurt. Gabe is exactly right about that.

[@becky9103]

I think those kids could have a relationship with Kody if it were only him. But Robyn and Kody together make a toxic stew that becomes detrimental to those kids mental health. Here's how it works: Someone says or does something benign, Robyn sees it as some sort of slight or insult to her or one of her kids. (Garrison said it best when he said, "Whatever process in Robyn's mind that she uses to always make herself a victim.) Then Robyn carries this invented insult in the form of a report to Kody (save me Kody!) Kody then puts on his armor and grabs his sword and shield to go forth to slay the mighty dragon (his own kids or exes) for his lady fair. And the only way they can be allowed to regain his favor is to bow at the feet of his one true love and beg her forgiveness. NO. Those kids have been poisoned by this toxic concoction too many times. It may just be what put Garrison over the edge, and I don't want to see it happen again. They just need to stay away from their dad until Robyn leaves him, and maybe he can awaken from this delusion and come to himself. Until then, STAY AWAY. They all say that Kody is a completely different person. I believe them. It won't be long anyway. Robyn is already forming her escape plan by pretending that she only wanted plural marriage. What she really wanted was to be in first place. She is jealous of the other wives' freedom now. Once again, she wants what they have. So her days with Kody are numbered.

[@GrannyDi276]

well said....❤

[@annewester6497]

I think you're right, except I think Robyn is staying with Kody. She has not worked in many years, what qualifications does she have? She has alienated her children from their biological father and she has seen how Kody behaves towards his other biological children whose mothers he is divorced from. She doesn't want that for her own children. She is trapped in her own golden cage. She stays.

[@becky9103]

@@annewester6497 Kody doesn't work either. If the show goes, Robyn takes half of everything and finds a new man. She never really wanted Kody. She wanted the show, money, favoritism. There is no way she stays with a broke Kody Brown.

[@cindyrhodes1448]

I could not have written it better than becky9103.

[@brite1217]

Stop blaming Robyn for Kody’s behavior. Even if she’s partly to blame, Kody is a grown ass man who makes his own grown ass decisions.

[@wisdomwithtrishcoaching1122]

They showed those last two conversations between Robyn and Janelle past seasons. Janelle was upfront when asked on the couch about it. She said she doesn’t believe working on that relationship is worth her energy. Which totally makes sense. Robyn is a liar and drama seeker.

[@roisink7917]

David's reaction to the eating of the placenta was funny/relatable.

[@sheblyne]

I think Janelle has been very clear for many ,many seasons that she has never wanted a relationship with Robyn. She understood from the beginning that Robyn played the "damsel in distress" to control Kody and keep him away from everybody else and she just has no time for it.

[@blu3622]

I'm with David on this placenta thing!! Nope 🤢

[@M0-nique]

Me too!!

[@QualeHouse]

Right?! Google if eating placenta is good and it says there’s no medical proof that it’s actually helpful.

[@juliao2034]

@@QualeHouseThese people - none of them - have any understanding of science or evidence. Not uncommon in their cult.

[@katereilly2188]

Raw! Yuck. IF my doctor and science said there were amazing benefits and it's absolutely the best way to get nutrients, I could handle taking it in pill form, but that's it.

[@FSM866]

I see it as straight up cannibalism. 🤢

[@silvialesko5117]

Gabe talks very fondly about Robyn’s kids. He referred to Aurora as a good friend he looked forward to seeing…and this is after Robyn kind of forced the idea that Aurora was a “triplet” with him and Gwen, even though her birthday is months away from his ( he and Gwen are only 4 days apart). So I don’t think he was cliquish against her kids.

[@AshleahShortcake]

Gabe means that because his dad favored Robyn and her kids, the whole family tried and kissed their butts and catered to them so that Kody wouldn't be mad at them. After doing all that, Kody still abandoned them and chose to be with Robyn. These kids shouldn't have to continue to cater to Robyn and her kids for the rest of their lives, they tried, it didn't work, they gave up trying. Robyn should be grateful that her and her children were accepted, instead she cries that they didn't "try hard enough, I needed more."

[@gemmaburman7767]

The thing about Kody is, when his children lived at home he had control of them under the guise of parenting and house rules. Then, when they moved to Flagstaff, the children became adults and independent. Adults don't conform to their parents' rules...now they're traitors. He says Meri isn't and has never been loyal, but she was his most loyal wife, she helped him recruit more wives, she encouraged his relationship with Robyn, did what she was told, stayed a member of the family long after she should have left, gave up her legal marriage for Robyn, and tried to get Christine to stay. The man is delusional.

[@tree2me]

How does he not know how to hold a baby properly?!?

[@AngelMama2016]

Bᴜᴛ ʜᴇ ʜᴀᴅ ᴀ ᴛʜᴏᴜɢʜᴛ

[@JessRodr]

Because he’s never actually held one, he just played a good dad on TV

[@alisonclark5416]

His wives looked after the children.

[@Angelface11]

Because he's never done it that much

[@alyssakelly4292]

I think the kids are tired of compromising themselves to meet Kody halfway. Kody has proven in his treatment of Mykelti and Meri that even if you meet all his demands he’ll discard you. Gabe and Maddie are setting boundaries that require Kody to grow up and put in effort. It’s for safety.

[@bttrflykss17b]

Gabe specifically said "and we were constantly working on our relationship with Robyn's kids." So I don't think he was really conflating.

[@duchesscinabonashley8537]

I think Gabe came to that conclusion after 12 years of the neglect of Kody. It wasn't as if Kody's absence was recent.

[@bridgetcurry9578]

Gabe said that the kids were working on their relationship with Robyns's kids. That is why he's saying if Robyn really believes that the kids were being mean to her kids, with the understanding that he feels they were working on their relationship with her kids, then he can't have a relationship with her. That particular comment wasn't about Kody and Robyn's relationship but the relationship he felt all the kids were building with Robyn's kids. I know Robyn is saying her father abandoned her but she also said her ex husband abandoned their children and that never happened. So how do we know for sure her dad abandoned her?

[@MorganMorgan-iz3ji]

Thank you! David completely missed this part of what Gabe said. He said Robin and her kids had Kodys time and attention and he and his siblings were working on the relationship with her children and she still felt like they were being mean. So basically the whole family was trying and giving everything they could to her and her children, even in the midst of their own needs not being met and she’s still complaining? Then I can’t have a relationship with her. It had nothing to do with Kody and Robins relationship. He said if everything was being given to her and her children and it wasn’t enough, and we weren’t getting what we needed but we’re trying and on top of all that we have to be accused of being mean? No thanks. Gabe’s in pain but he is wising up, seeing the situation for what it is, and is making decisions for himself. I’m proud of him!

[@Djbetterjusthavingfun]

I agree with David, no photo needed

[@mollylollipops]

Only tears he shed over Meri was happiness that she finally got the hint. Imo. 😊😊

[@ariste01]

Omg I WISH I was that mature at that age. I'm 44 and still struggling to set and keep boundaries with my mother. She will apologize for what I suppose was the crux of the issue (that she didn't know how to let me be my own person) but still refuses to acknowledge or apologize for the specifics of the abuse. She tries that same shit with me "well I've forgiven you, why can't you forgive me? " forgave me for what exactly? Today it was the same thing but sticking up for her golden child. He stole a not insignificant amount of money from my oldest daughter (a teen at the time) a few years back. My mom was pushing me as to why she hadn't messaged him for his birthday and he needs support. I said last I heard he has some patching up to do with her and she expected my daughter to just brush it aside. I said "no, he's the one who messed up and broke the relationship, he's the one that needs to reach out to fix it. Rug sweeping like this is enabling, helps no one, and hurts everyone. You're always trying to skip the accountability and repentance steps when it comes to forgiveness" why are my feelings less important than hers? Why are my daughters feelings less important than my brother's? WE'RE the ones who were wronged. I know she is a narcissist. I am thinking it's time she goes on time out again. I had already limited contact with her to text after a long period of no contact and now I think I'm just going to block her until at least the new year.

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

Kody doesn't understand the difference between loyalty and enabling. He believes that if the people in his life don't enable any and everything he wants to do then they aren't "loyal," but refusing to let someone you care about self destruct IS loyalty to them.

[@DimestoreCountry]

When this clip of Meri and Cody in the early years was showing all I could think is you can SEE they love each other. You can SEE how he looks at her and touches her and how happy they are. Meri has to be devastated with the way he is spinning the narrative.

[@stephw1702]

My heart breaks for Meri. Kody was in her words the first guy to ever show her attention. He was her first love. Within the first few years of marriage Kody takes two more wives, one Meri's ex sister-in-law, and also courted another girl. She watched Janelle and Christine have multiple children while Meri struggled with infertility. Kody did not walk that journey with her. It took Christine to make sure 'Kody' was buying Meri something for Christmas. Then he melted down his wedding ring. However when TLC comes along he is all lovey-dovey with her, calling Meri his soulmate. Despite all of this, Kody has continuously used the catfishing incident to fuel the fire of blame towards Meri and to guilt her into staying. Never once has he considered what she has gone through other than when it benefited him, such as convincing Meri they would have a fresh start in Flagstaff. Meri had to be the one to go on camera and claim the divorce idea came from her even while clearly hurting. She asked for one thing, to be there for the ceremony, and was refused. Even in the infamous "I'm not coming" conversation he is blaming her for his neglect. While he tells the confessionals he has no interest, in the car Kody is telling Meri she isn't courting him so that's why they are failing. She isn't perfect or blameless by any means, yet recent confessionals show Meri is at least trying to work on those things. Good for Meri to both make Kody confess on camera that their marriage was over, something he did not want to do, and to finally stick one to Kody's ego. Good on the church as well to rule he abandoned her. Bet he is steaming over that.

[@ez4643]

One minute he says he loved them and then says he didn’t……ugh

[@ez4643]

LOL @ Allison, I thought the same thing about the kitchen appliances

[@tracim3080]

I don’t see that. I see to really young people in lust. Not love.

[@juliao2034]

Meh, it’s a facade. The marriage was over by the time the show even started and they have admitted as much. It’s called acting.

[@brite1217]

Parents don’t get just free access to be horrible. As a child of a narcissist, I know there are certain conversations I can never have with my mother because she will play the victim, and my points will never get across. So I’ve decided to not talk to her about it or much else. We have a very surface level relationship because that’s all I’m willing to give her. No point in talking about the trauma of my past cause she will NEVER admit to what she did. So Gabe has every right to set those boundaries. Cause he probably knows Kody will never take accountability

[@charmanwilson6354]

Lady and Gentleman, PLEASE DO NOT JUDGE JANELLE’S COUNTER. Her apartment is super small and she does a great job of keeping it organized and clean. I guarantee she uses everything out on her countertop. Why do you want her to complicate her life???

[@bizburgess1947]

I was thinking the same thing. Those who have privilege think every home is the same as their own. Some people have physical limitations where Occ Therapists recommend that appliances (or anything heavy be kept out). No shade to Janelle, but it might be difficult with her body type to get things out and up from a lower cabinet. Sobbyn lives in a mansion that was more filled with crap than Janelle's counters. I have seen kitchens with so little space they keep boxes and cans of food on top of fridges and in the unused oven. A pantry is a gift not every home affords.

[@alexx5064]

agreed!

[@lbarmstrong1]

@@bizburgess1947 It really was kind of a joke, yet YOU bring the buzzword/political angle of privilege in. Lighten up. There were a lot of appliances and Janelle would probably be the first one to laugh about it.

[@Sail392]

@@lbarmstrong1that some people have more money and space than others is not a political viewpoint.

[@GrannyDi276]

agree.....Lively Alison's maybe a bit OCD?

[@threepeasoup8733]

13:30 I get Gabe. Robyn felt like what she and her kids got wasn't enough. She wanted even more from the family members who got nothing. She has no desire to see things from their point of view. The work it would take for Kody's kids to facilitate a relationship with Robyn that she'd be happy with isn't worth what it would cost them.

[@CourtneyS24]

UGH he makes me want to vomit. "Ironically, Janelle did sign up for patriarchy. When her and I made an agreement that she would come into the family she agreed wholeheartedly that she would run her will into mine because I had to be the head of the family and she made that agreement with me," he said.

[@Nicola-ii7mm]

He’s SUCH a hypocrite!!!

[@Jftb-fx6sy]

It’s my understanding that the animals that do eat their placenta do it is so the smell does not attract predators.

[@tiffaniarterberry8254]

If someone is hurting you emotionally, it doesn't matter how old you are, you can set a boundary.

[@celticgabbyfan]

NO.6:44 . You are telling your audience that a kid of someone who we've seen be neglectful for decade or more set boundaries and you are playing the but what about the abuser card, no. sorry as a person who has survived child abuse and adult abuse, these kids need to be setting boundaries, and thank goodness the moms are supportive of the boundaries, I don't care about other ppl who might be in a different situation, you are commenting on this one and imo the both sides of it just is wishy washy unhelpful.

[@betsybabf748]

Robyn: "I wanted everyone to be accessories in my life, and they all quit. It's all about me!" Kody is having a complete personality change since his earlier years, which his OG wives agree with, but is it mental illness, testosterone use or a complete midlife breakdown?

[@sheblyne]

Or his true colors and authentic self finally emerging? He's a flim flam man after all and the whole " family" was just a con game he played to get what he wanted ,which in my opinion was money, fame and status.

[@nrusso967]

It could also be early onset Alzheimer's.

[@Sail392]

Robyn encouraged his desire to be lazy

[@mel8771]

Oh, meri wasn’t loyal?! Go back to that episode where Kody gave his wives those ugly necklaces. Petty sure he said loyalty was meri’s greatest trait.

[@suebarry]

Allison, you do a GREAT wiping-away-the-tears Robin!

[@vickyhoffman7743]

Meri was the most loyal! Afraid she’d tell his secrets how nasty he is

[@katieg.9235]

Yes! And make him look bad

[@QualeHouse]

On Gabe’s comments being two different things in regards to Robin. When I heard him I understood it as Robin and her kids were being tip toed around by the whole family. Favored by Kody yes but all the kids were expected to welcome them, be extra kind to them because they were the new ones coming in. They were constantly getting in trouble for not being welcoming enough. So I think he meant we were all bending over backwards for her and yet she still spins the narrative that we treated them bad and left them out.

[@crimsonite2044]

He didnt speak ill of Robyn’s kids, only pointed out out Kody and Robyn’s actions that alienated the OG kids. A lot of Janelle’s kids when they bring up their issues with Kody and Robyn never say “Robyn’s kids did this to us” only “we tried to make them feel welcome” their ire is pointed at Kody & Robyn.

[@stephaniek2018]

Kody said Meri wasn't loyal? She was the most loyal one... wtf.

[@ladyofthelamps4743]

Gabe is doing what I should have done at his age with my own family. He is mature and wise beyond his years. Nurture yourself and the relationships that are healthy Gabe! Your dad and his wife will NEVER change! I’m 42 now and they only get worse!

[@daniellemurray2161]

7:29 you are describing my relationship (or lack there of) with my dad! It's not worth it to me to keep trying because the nature of our dynamic is he is never wrong and I have to bend to his ego until I break. In the end the longing for that parental love is less hurtful than enduring his treatment so I washed my hands of it!

[@janicehernandez7907]

I'm exactly in your situation. I see that cutting off my dad is the only solution but it honestly still scares me to lose my dad.

[@abigale1972]

It’s not Gabe’s responsibility to work around Kody’s feelings or ego. His problems are not Gabe’s, mental health or not. Gabe is his kid but Gabe is not a child. Set your boundaries and if Kody can’t handle it it’s on him.

[@niyacraft4532]

Were they showing us the placenta for shock value !? Eeeewwwww 🤢🤮

[@KS-cl8br]

for proof so you could see the bite marks

[@leahwalker7852]

Robyn. “Put on a HAPPY FACE “ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@helenmorris1529]

The reason Janelle has so many appliances on her counter is she is squished into a tiny apartment and that is all the space she has for herself and her kitchen

[@karriwerner2086]

I think Gabriel meant that in Robyn’s eyes they were never working on a relationship with her kids when the older children did try to involve them just as they did all the siblings. Robyn is only seeing it from her point of view no matter what they say was actually happening. If two people are not willing to give an inch on what they believe is happening then they really are at an impasse.

[@nicoledixon-tt3vg]

2:26 Eating it raw is a bit much... but I've seen people have it made into capsules to take for a month post partum. It helps with: decreasing pain & bleeding, increases milk supply, and lessens the effects of the major hormone shifts after delivery.

[@QualeHouse]

If you Google it the Mayo Clinic says there is no medical evidence that supports that it’s actually good for you. I know people claim it’s good for you. But it’s the organ that filters out all toxins and bad things from the baby. They often find metals, plastics or harmful things in the placenta. I don’t think I’d ever do that just based on actual medical proof or the lack there of.

[@chloependleton]

Actually, there is no empirical data that supports any of those benefits currently. While many women have made anecdotal claims like these over the years, current studies show no discern able difference in pain, hormone fluctuations, etc between women who have and have not eaten their placenta post delivery. However, according to studies published by the Mayo Clinic eating your placenta increases risk of infection in mom, as well as toxic levels of various nutrients such as magnesium. So please, DONT eat your placenta. Sincerely, an Labor/Delivery nurse😬

[@kayraper295]

I still want to know what Robyn has sacrificed for the family? Kody keeps saying that. I WANT TO KNOW.

[@helenbull8101]

I know right? I have no clue, it’s been win win for her the whole way through apart from now when it has fallen apart because she over played her hand.

[@NicoleBrown-oc7je]

I think Gabe did well by putting a line in the sand.Someone's ability to handle a boundary, is up to them. You can always want a relationship but having one isn't always realistic.

[@jennifersides9116]

Thank you. Your commentaries are not rife with anger and insults. I love hearing your side and yeah there was alot on that kitchen counter lolololololol

[@maganalia]

True. I've seen a lot more cluttered kitchens than that.

[@jennifersides9116]

@@maganalia lolololololol mine included ugh!

[@alexx5064]

she might just have a rly small apartment and can’t fit everything in the cupboards?

[@mchllwoods]

I agree with you. Mykelti and TLC went too far with showing the partially eaten placenta. They couldn't at least blurred it or not show at all? TLC used to have the show The Operation. TLC blurred some areas of the operation itself. This episode showed way too much. TLC went too far with this.😮😢

[@lindab.716]

As did this podcast. I had been successful in fast forwarding while watching and then here it is 🤮

[@berniking8805]

Gosh! The Operation! I remember that show! I thought it so interesting. They once did a Brian surgery and it was so neat! Then years later he had brain surgery.

[@mchllwoods]

@@berniking8805 WTF?!😂😂😂😂😂

[@creativegabiela]

The amount of appliances on the counter was also the first thing I noticed 😂

[@va4life398]

1:30 David's reaction was priceless😂

[@NatNat4Tally]

I think it's funny the way Kody says Meri was never loyal. I so wish they would do the bravo flashbacks to when he had four necklaces made for his wives. He had Meri's made with the very word loyalty in Latin (fidelitas) because of how loyal she was. She was the most loyal, she stayed with you when you gave her absolutely nothing. He's a 🤡