Population Collapse: The Looming Crisis - Dr. Darrell Bricker || El Podcast EP70

Dr. Darrell Bricker, CEO of Ipsos Public Affairs and co-author of the book 'Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline,' discusses the concept of a shrinking planet and challenges the prevailing talk on overpopulation. He shares a memorable moment from his research trip to Delhi, India, where he witnessed the impact of technology on a young woman's perspective on family and reproduction. The conversation explores the implications of population decline on different countries, with a focus on China's demographic challenges. The chapters also touch on the pros and cons of a shrinking population and the misalignment of city planning with demographic trends. The conversation explores the economic impact of remote work on cities, the financial barrier to having children, the political implications of declining fertility rates, the future of geopolitics and globalization, the challenges of an aging population, and the implications for investors and businesses. The guest, Dr. Darrell Bricker, emphasizes the need to adapt to changing demographics and consumer patterns, particularly with an aging population. He also encourages individuals to open their eyes to the realities of declining fertility rates and consider the implications for future generations.
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CHAPTERS
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00:00 Intro & Memorable Moment in Delhi
04:03 Challenging the Talk on Overpopulation
09:18 De-Population's Global Impact
15:44 Impact on Different Countries
19:49 Pros & Cons of Shrinking Population
23:18 City Planning, Remote Work & Demographics Impacts
31:03 Reasons Why People Don't Want Children
38:48 The Future of Geopolitics & Globalization
43:13 The Challenges of Aging Population
Special Thanks to Dr. Darrell Bricker
BOOK: Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline
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#ShrinkingPlanet #PopulationDecline #OverpopulationMyth #ChinaDemographics #CityPlanning #RemoteWorkEconomy #FinancialBarriers #FertilityRates #GeopoliticalShifts #AgingPopulation #ConsumerDemand #PolicyChanges #GlobalizationTrends #InvestorAdaptation #BusinessStrategies #DemographicTrends #FutureGenerations #PolicyReform #CulturalShifts #economicimplications

[@elvinrichard5882]

Expecting endless economic growth is the real problem.

[@Joshua-eo5hr]

No it's really not

[@montumeroe9593]

@@Joshua-eo5hr Ask the Amazon forest

[@ernimuja6991]

Who. Will. Take. Care. Of. The. Old? Young people? While the old lived the good life when they were in a population boom, young people will have to suffer significant austerity to maintain welfare.

[@willbass2869]

​@@Joshua-eo5hrmy aunt & uncle went to China in mid '80s just as the country opened up. The comparison 40 years later is indescribable. Massive trash (PLASTIC) dirty water, filthy air in winter in one generation. I'm not knocking the Chinese....pretty sure the same in contemporary S.E. Asia and parts of urbanized Africa. People previously held down by totalitarian regimes spend like crazy when opportunity raises

[@T1tusCr0w]

Yep stopped watching when this fool started banging on about - oh god robots won’t buy things so where will our growth come from? - unbelievable 🤦🏻‍♂️ He must be funded by the fking billionaires who are freaking out about no consumers for their crap.

[@conorwhite2066]

People don't get this cause it's 40 years down the road.. given the cost of living people are thinking (and this makes sense) in the short term I am generation x with three kids. I work in a company with a younger demographic Some are married, some are single, some are dating, none have kids, and joking around with them seems to me irrespective of their relationship status, they have no plans to have kids But also know they are dealing with crazy rents, expensive cost of living and belief they won't escape this..

[@benstandard]

In other words they're not privileged enough to be able to afford them like the generations that came before them.

[@kamilashamuratova1159]

Frankly, this is good news. We need focus on quality rather than quantity. Wealthier and more educated households have fewer children for the exactly same reason. Putting aside the costs associated with childcare, the time paid to kids is a big factor. Thankfully people are becoming more aware how important is a parental presence for kids, how they model after us and how much effort it takes to properly socialize them, guide them and support kids in their aspirations, induce discipline despite being viewed as a oppressor, teach them manners, teach them empathy and so on and so forth. So could responsible parents pay equal attention to 3 or more kids? Easy to burn out giving they also have to work. My great-grandma had 9 kids, half died in teens due-to drowning, illness, accidents, sons were sent to war, abuses both segsual and emotional were more widespread at that time but no one talked about that because of shame and victim blaming. So we are heading to meaningful ways of parenting and actually value kids way more than our fertile ancestors. Think about the Victorian England where kids were used in factories, mines and brothels

[@petersuvara]

This issue needs to be raised. It’s truly a train wreck in slow motion. Enjoy life, we are currently living through the peak bloom of humanity, before it wilts, like any beautiful rose, youth and beauty are fleeting.

[@taliaeve969]

I think eventually it will self correct. No life will not be the same but to say we are doomed I’m not so sure. It’ll take a the young seeing the elderly die in poverty alone in the streets in order for that trend to reverse.

[@steelearmstrong9616]

@@taliaeve969 No, it’s over

[@alexdetrojan4534]

😅

[@chriswatson1698]

@@steelearmstrong9616 Don't be ridiculous. The world's population has been smaller before, and can be so again. If there is a shortage of anything, then it will be customers. The capitalists aren't really worried about having enough workers. They are worried about a lack of consumption.

[@benstandard]

That remains to be seen. ​@@steelearmstrong9616

[@shantanushekharsjunerft9783]

Just for some background, I grew up in India in the 80s and we were literally bombarded with population control message on billboards and TV and radio. Even in classrooms we were taught the virtues of small families. That message was brought home in 80s and 90s.

[@kiraflash4596]

Same in Europe

[@Rnankn]

Unless they are constrained by predation, all organisms will multiply indefinitely until their food supply is exhausted. Then they suffer a catastrophic population collapse. Capitalism creates the illusion of endless food and resources, sustained by fossil fuel inputs. When pressures mount it is in the form of pollution, and/or burdening the poor with rising prices. This disconnect is why despite messaging to the contrary, population growth continued to accelerate.

[@Shonbon17]

brought home?? damn ur paranoid.

[@Shonbon17]

@@kiraflash4596 did ur cat come to that conclusion?

[@mahiram19]

Making the people Foolish.. Rich people holding 90% of wealth are having few babies.. Recommending poor people to have more babies just to establish slavery in the society is wrong.

[@DiggingNorway]

Norway has 12 months paid leave, cheap kindergarten, free school, 10 paid sick days for parents if child is sick, etc etc... fertility rate is 1.4

[@chriswatson1698]

All those perks apply only to young families. What happens to the mothers, when their husbands dump them for younger women when the children are grown?

[@edselgreaves6503]

​@@chriswatson1698 Who cares? If your children are grown then you shouldn't be receiving any of these benefits anyway.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@edselgreaves6503 You don't care if women are dumped into poverty after sacrificing their earning power to have children and look after them. When young women see what happens to middle-aged women, they learn the lesson: invest in your own earning power, not that of a husband.

[@edselgreaves6503]

@@chriswatson1698 if you get dumped into poverty after living off a husband and government handouts for 2 decades, then that means you were never an adult in the first place.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@edselgreaves6503 "Living off a husband"? It is husbands who live off the mothers of their children. What sort of earning power would men have if they took time out of their careers to do their fair share of the baby care? Which is 50% The only fair division of parental responsibility is for both parents to absorb equally, the inconvenience of child care and for both to have equal time and energy to participate in the paid work force. In the work force, women can acquire skills, knowledge, experience and contacts that have monetary value. When men dodge their fair share of the child care, 50%, they continue to profit at their partner's expense for the rest of their working lives.

[@makeitcount2985]

As If this is bad on a planet where toxic mentality reigns... Population decline is a great thing ❤❤❤

[@T1tusCr0w]

For a young woman to have children she needs to feel secure about many things. Housing, income, spouse, cultural identity of the society even. Unless coerced people will ensure that they don’t make life any harder by having children they can’t afford or have space for. It’s end game capitalism. It basically denigrated the habitat of people so greatly that having children is no longer desirable. & it will get worse. They made everything to expensive to live & life to transitory to ever find a community. This is the result.

[@benstandard]

It's not desirable because it's not affordable.

[@T1tusCr0w]

@@benstandardthey sold a hole in their own boat… ⛴️ I have little sympathy. It’s greed by the elite.

[@transforgoku]

More like modern urban life is outright hostile towards families and kids, it only values production and consumption of goods endlessly...

[@sandracosta29]

This is all very fine and very dandy. The problem is: the more technological a civilization is, the less humans it needs. 100 years ago in my country - Portugal -, picking up water from the well or a fountain and selling it to someone was a legit job! Besides, you needed a family of 10-15 people, so that they could work the land. It's quite possible that, 20 years from now, 70-80% of the population WON'T have a job, due to AI and the robotization of the working force. And I can give you a perfect example: me. I am a teacher and I am absolutely sure that I will be replaced by a AI hologram, 10 years from now. More than ever, we need less people on the planet, instead of more, unless you want a mad max scenario. Last but not least, bear in mind that this will be an adjustment, then people will get used to smaller cities and more robots. Finally, many old people will be dead very quickly, due to the fact that hospitals and Science will be a niche for the rich. It is a History cycle, wether we like or not. It just so happens that we're the unlucky ones who have to deal with these "interesting times".

[@kareemjones2219]

It sounds like capitalism is the problem people are just consumers

[@T1tusCr0w]

It definitely is. It’s made Everything humans need way to expansive to buy. So why would a couple bring more debt on themselves.

[@gregvanpaassen]

Darrell is right: it's culture. Children are simply a low priority in credentialist countries (the West, and East Asia). This is confirmed by the U-shaped curve of fertility versus household income. Wealthy households have children after they get everything else they want. Poor households can't get those other things (a house in a good suburb, travel, etc.), so they have children as a substitute. The middle class can afford the things they want but not children as well. There is another problem as well, though. Second wave ferminism, women moving into the workforce en masse, has meant many chidren and infants were and are farmed out to daycare. The notoriously high staff turnover in daycare has affected the children psychologically, see Bowlby's infant attachment theory, with the result being a rise in psychological issues and relationship issues in those children as they grow to adulthood. Those young adults just can't pair up. Putting children, the future of society, last, is having predictable results.

[@chriswatson1698]

"have children as a substitute" I don't think so. Most eldest children that I know are actually accidental. Intelligent, educated women have contraceptive failures. Like the married nurse next door. Always intended to have children sometime, but not convenient now.

[@michalwiktorow2188]

"They" - either poor or middle-class employees - are not creating requirements. Those requirements, they are confronted with as they grew up: society expect specific level of education, level of skills, charisma, etiquete, technical knowledge etc. and also specific 'sellable' skills for them to be productive - those requirements are stated by employers, they face growing number of such requirements that mount into pile of spendings or debt spiral that in case of US even start from education, and at the very end the land-lords, or real-estate owners are complaining? Really? They created the 'bilogical environment' in which young generation needs to fit in and exist, they - all collectively greedy - set the 'standards' and promoted them, basically setting up 'price for acommodation' or 'price for living middle-class life' - and then when there is no more fools to be tangled into this spiral, then they complain? Really? What a shame?!🤣

[@gotnoname3956]

It has nothing to do with culture, the main reason is the fact that 1) children are not needed on an individal level and 2) you have birth control today. Before birth control it was just a simple consequence to get childrens if you ger pregnant as you hardly prevent it. Moreover, children were important historical, you needed them for your older days as support. That changed as well as you can organize your retirement without needing childrens as support.

[@gregvanpaassen]

@@gotnoname3956 You're a fish that cannot see the water in which it swims.

[@T1tusCr0w]

Unbelievable 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@matthill263]

I have a lot more optimism in the ability of humans to live with an aging population than in their ability to remove tons of carbon from the atmosphere.

[@sillyman382]

Darn I won't be around if this projected to happen. It's about quality over quantity.

[@RadekPilich]

blackpilling anyone who chooses so is a part of the solution. also most likely necessary part of the pension reforms.

[@DiogoSantos-ix5sl]

This is beyond an economic catastrophe, it’s civilization ending. Societies will be deprived of the innovation and energy that comes from youth. Ever wonder why no meaningful reforms happen in Japan? Yeah, that’s right. I live here and I see it every day.

[@chriswatson1698]

Where are the meaningful reforms in the nations of Africa? You know, the ones with very young populations because they still multiply like rabbits.

[@makeitcount2985]

If you call this civilisation that's where the issue starts

[@pn2543]

the Amish have it figured out, high fertility, social cohesion, and cooperation, no capitalism, no wage slavery, no billionaire overlords

[@fmilan1]

It just occurred to me that, in a world that has falling fertility rate and older populations, there will be a acute shortage of workers and skilled labor, so a way to get around this problem is to live in higher density places -- like cities.

[@chriswatson1698]

What piffle. Children are dependents and so are the adults who must care for them, then teach them. We stopped having children in the 1970s and women became worker/taxpayers. An ageing population is just a case of supporting the elderly instead of children and their mothers. There will be less need for workers or for economic growth. Won't need to spend on infrastructure.

[@DiogoSantos-ix5sl]

The thing is cities are fertility sinks, under our current meme and gene configurations, that is a death spiral.

[@transforgoku]

But can you afford that? go look for the prices of appartments in toronto, new york or tokio and then tell me if it's feasible, rapid urbanization is one of the main causes for depopulation, since cities are hostile to families and kids, they are places that only value production and consumption of goods/services...

[@jaykay5142]

I think he's wrong about it being cultural. Put it this way. How many people would have a child of they were given a million dollars? Probably quite a few, so we know that enough money will solve this issue. The only question is how much is needed. And furthermore, the countries that can succeed in the demographic collapse are the ones that can and will pay the most money for it. It's all 100% money.

[@gleeart]

Going back to the Roman empire a population decrease has been suggested in the later period, if true this was probably due more to: Taxation Plague Urbanisation But probably less due to: Female empowerment Govt. policies Higher standards of living leading to lifestyle choices This may have contributed to the fall. What almost certainly ended the western empire was overwhelming invasions across the German river frontiers which were basically unstoppable partly due with it being such a difficult border to enforce. Things can be learned from the period although not all the factors are aligned with now, not least the fact that Rome faced hoards of beligerants who had had big population growth. If people are currently worried about basic life quality erosion take the lesson that imbalanced populations can lead to major collapse of civic norms as occurred in 4th c. AD. that is repeatable for sure.

[@AlexKellogg-pv4qk]

The population will crash down to a small amount and 100’s of years after that it will rise and fall once again. Did we really think we figured something out in the last couple hundred years? Well besides treating each other worse? Only way society can be better is to start over

[@wisemanwalkingdowntheroad4275]

Lack of population growth is a business problem not a humanitarian problem.

[@joanvallve7647]

Isn't 'less humans' a humanitarian problem?

[@wisemanwalkingdowntheroad4275]

@@joanvallve7647 Since when is billions less people sucking up resources, polluting the planet and destroying quality of life a problem?

[@joanvallve7647]

@@wisemanwalkingdowntheroad4275 Luckily for you, your parents, grand parents, grand grand parents thought little bit different. Luckily for my children their parents thought different. Let's see if the stones, birds and fishes feel blessed in the future because of your approach 😉

[@chriswatson1698]

@@joanvallve7647 Well there will be more birds and fishes.

[@joanvallve7647]

@@chriswatson1698 Even if that would be the dilemma (which I don't really think it is as history proofs this assumption is wrong)...Who not mentally insane would prefer birds and fishes over humans? Being 'humanitarian' is about protecting humans. What you say, should be called beeing 'bidarian', or 'fisharian'..

[@peterplouf2836]

As much palaver as there is on this topic, not one single country has come up with any incentives for people to partner as couples and have children. "Please have more kids so you can raise them at your expense so we can have servants" is not cutting it. Supposedly Korea has spent 300 BILLION over ten years studying the problem. DUH! Being human has become a Zero-sum game and everyone is in on the secret.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

2:23 they speak hindi. 2:48 new Android phone only 70 usd. What are you surprised about.

[@FreedomTalkMedia]

It was like 7 years ago.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

​@@FreedomTalkMedia you still can get android for 70 usd 7 year ago

[@hyperadapted]

who cares? I certainly dont. The point he made counts

[@Rnankn]

Of course it will collapse, there are more people than can be supported. And many of those people consume more than can be sustained. The crisis has already occurred, a population collapse is the tragic corrective of the irresponsible growth desired by the greedy so they do not have to share.

[@harmonizedigital.]

This guy really gets it and I love that.

[@kyleme9697]

A million years ago I worked at the Angus Reid Group ... it was amazing listening to the big brains like Angus and Darrell talk about every day issues you'd see in the news because 1- they had access to a lot more data via the company surveys, and 2- just how incredibly smart they are. All the researchers there had doctorate or master degrees, it was amazing being surrounded by that all day every day. (I left when Ipsos bought us and a lot the IT work got transferred to Romania.) It was nice to hear Darrell corroborate the things Peter Zeihan says, who I listen to every day.

[@andre1987eph]

I had same experience at an Ivy League college in 1980s

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

9:55 😂Where does that data come from? The following is data on the total fertility rate for 2023 1. Jepang 🇯🇵 fertility rate 1.20 2. China🇨🇳 fertility rate 1.07 3.singapura🇸🇬 fertility rate 0.98 4.Taiwan 🇹🇼 fertility rate 0.85 5.South Korea 🇰🇷 fertility rate 0.72

[@aldonfroelick7392]

Excellent numbers, and quite accurate.

[@kingacake1]

Endless growth on a finite planet with finite resources is the problem. Everyone wanting to live a high consumerist “western” lifestyle is the problem. Declining birth rates is a problem for the capitalist class because they will have less wage slaves. This is a problem for our current system in that it can’t function without having a large pool of desperate people who will perform any job for little pay.

[@sarahwebb5137]

The problem with this perspective is seeing this as a Labour and business problem rather than the coming environmental and humanitarian problem. Many predict population collapse because of environmental problems. The earth doesn’t need people of any age. The natural world need a break. All species that become too successful face decline and eventual collapse.

[@shikb]

- if having children was free I would have them. - the population growth of last century was not sustainable. - we need to figure out a way to have economic prosperity without population growth. - I don’t imagine that sub sierra Africa will ever have below replacement rate fertility so they’ll always will be Africans for immigration.

[@blueyedmule]

Dealing with this thru immigration--consider, if we and Mexico have a similar replacement rate and we are tapping Mexico for bodies. What is the net effect? Now you have accelerated the collapse of the country on your southern border and they may not be able to keep up with it. They are already considered a failed narco state.

[@MROJPC]

Like so many issues of consequence, it is not a simple explanation. Net migration from Mexico has declined in the last 2 decades with a net positive of only 160K from 2013-2018 and generally trended toward net negatives in the last 5 years (the interview dealt with this briefly at 17:36). There are several reasons for these trends; 1. Declining economic opportunities in the United States for unskilled and skilled migrants after the Great Recession 2. Increased enforcement of immigration at the US-Mexico border and interior 3. Decreased incentives inside Mexican culture to migrate due to smaller families and increase in education of the Mexican work force 4. Increased economic opportunities in Mexico due to long term economic and political stability and current and future trends towards booming foreign direct investment (friendshoring and nearshoring) and domestic economic growth (increased productivity, again, due in big part to the availability of large skilled work force). To sum up migration, Mexicans are for the most part no longer interested in migrating to the United States - they are either staying to pursue better opportunities, some that did migrate have gone back, and the same factors have drawn American expatriates to Mexico (800K in 2023) all 3 factors which explains the net negatives. Central American countries provided the waves of Hispanic migrants to the US in the last 5 years and the biggest surge in asylum seekers and illegal migrants in the southern border are coming from India and middle-class Chinese households. Choa-thau, a Snakehead, is the new Coyote and you'll be hearing that term more I imagine. Demographically and economically, these are positive flows for Mexico since projections show that the Mexican workforce will not reach peak productivity until the 2030's and not reach peak overall population until the 2050's. It means they will hopefully have at least 2 more decades to keep developing their population to expand a foothold up the value added chain and strengthen the manufacturing industry before the population is projected to decline. By no means do I imply it is all roses (I did mentions it is complicated), and security because of the cartels is a big issue, but thus far it has not been or look to be an insurmountable problem and I can only access from what I read, see, and hear and I have extensive personal connections. My family came up from Tamaulipas in the 1980's and we have friends and family in Texas, California, Tamaulipas and CDMX. Everyone has a cartel story - one of my aunts for example had to duck into her wheelchair when she was caught in a firefight between the Gulf Cartel and the Army about 7 years ago. I have not been able to travel there because I was serving in the military for a long time, but my immediate family has gone back repeatedly to visit. Is Mexico a collapsed and failed narco state? Honestly, I do not know. What is the definition and where does that come from? Top put it another way, when I do talk on the phone with relatives from Mexico a lot of them seem more concerned with our safety than the other way around since they see stories about shootings and active-shooters continuously on the news; the impression is that the average person in the US is in danger of being caught up in a mass casualty incidents or other types of gun violence on a daily basis. On the other end of the border, I was searched extensively by Canadian border guards when I travelled through to move back to Alaska last year. I had a long time to talk with the border guards while they went through my items and they say they are very concerned about the rampant violence in America and are focused on preventing it from spilling over into Canada. I asked the same questions from them when I gave them my opinions - what are their definitions and where are they getting their impressions of America? In any case, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything - just giving out some information - and I dispense it respectfully.

[@52beautifulmind]

However there is an exception. The population in black Africa is growing fast.

[@Jmatt354]

Religious rural folks make the babies. Secular cities produce mouse dystopia experiments that crash.

[@JobeRoberts]

Old people like me, bike because I prefer it over driving. Cars aren’t good for old people they’re dangerous. Getting rid of cars would save lives, better health, better living.

[@sharonsloan]

The upcoming problems are getting enough people to care for the elderly, and the other increasing health costs that come with age.

[@mrbroccoli7395]

Excellent analysis. In a world where the present is borrowed from the future what happens to finance when the future fails to materialise? Are we heading into a time traveller's paradox?

[@nancyh.5950]

I don't find this alarming and actually find it a relief to hear that populations worldwide are decreasing. I never thought more and more growth and consumerism was sustainable and thought we should be more focused on sustainability as a goal. The problems of overpopulation are far worse than underpopulation (dwindling resources, global warming, pollution, etc.). Socially, getting married and having children are often a detriment to women--as soon as the man falls out of love with her, she is basically on her own with those children and if she has never worked and/or has no education, she's really screwed--a very precarious situation to be in, especially with the high cost of childcare. Being a working single mother is exhausting while working and not having children is just a more secure and attractive choice for women. Besides, workers are being replaced left and right with automation and AI so if more people are born, what will they do for work? When the population decreases, the price of many things should also decrease (especially housing). Sure, we'll have to make some adjustments on what each age group really needs but it shouldn't be that unpredictable. Dr. Bricker makes some very good points, but I just don't see a decrease in population as any kind of doom.

[@hyperadapted]

sounds like typical misanthrope antinatalist talkingpoints

[@FreedomTalkMedia]

I'll say this about long-term investing. Any product or service that has saturated the market, is going to decline. For example, even if we didn't have a green movement, the production of oil and gas will decline with the quantity of people because most everyone is already using oil and gas, and if there's less people to use them then less of it will be used. But now let's look at Android robots that are almost ready to come onto the market. Nobody has an Android robot. So even if the population is declining, if you invest in Android robots, that's a growth industry. With the population is growing, oil and gas is a growth industry. But now it's very different. Now all saturated industries are declining industries. You have to invest only in new things.

[@sandrina8383]

This man speaks the truth.

[@andre1987eph]

so I might be able to afford my first house in 2040?

[@darknightbegins85]

I could afford to have a kid. Don’t want to. I like my life and don’t want to complicate it.

[@j.s.c.4355]

I will advise my daughter that she does not have to have kids.

[@RedPilledFit]

And you’re part of the problem.

[@petermathieson5692]

Dummy

[@jimbobhaha]

Sad

[@eileenmcgovern9193]

And this means no grandchildren

[@mobileprofessional]

very interesting subject

[@avalonnite9179]

America birth rates is 1.6 so it below replacement level. America isn’t in a good place right now we have toxic food that harms our reproductive organs, high divorce rates, high suicide rate and a potential war in the future. All of these things will lower our birth rate even quicker.

[@telenkevichpolina3759]

Ironically, divorces actually INCREASE number of births. A new couple is more likely to have a child than an established one, whether to solidify "family" state or out of fertility reasons.

[@peterkratoska4524]

Canada added some 800,000 immigrants last year. There is a lot of pressure on housing.

[@chriswatson1698]

The same in Australia. When Australia's population was smaller, we didn't have working people living in tents.

[@kiedranFan2035]

Assuming we will continue to be limited by having kids the old fashioned way is flawed. Most likely we will automate the whole process from conception to birth and perhaps beyond or go exitinct. We have existed the age in which technology was optional, now it has become essential. Secondly it also an oversight to not include antiaging treatments. Once people and economies start feeling the demographics we will be wise to adopt it or disapear. In fact we will need both.

[@michaellancaster7923]

Great podcast

[@Jingasol]

Where I live. 50 + using a bike to get to work is normal

[@rodeorods5694]

Very informative and well thought out.

[@j.s.c.4355]

The best downtown building, in my view, would have residences up high, and on street level, it has groceries and restaurants and coffee shops-so you can get to your services in an elevator. That’s where I’d want to live, if I were in the city.

[@chriswatson1698]

I want green, open spaces just outside my door. Why do you want coffee shops?

[@ballroomdiva6856]

You've just described Roman insulae, although theirs wouldn't have been quite what you want. My experience of Italy has been that apartment blocks were built somewhat like that in cities.

[@ballroomdiva6856]

​@@chriswatson1698 You could have both. Beautiful parks within walking distance.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@ballroomdiva6856 Wrong. That is NOT the same thing as being able to send the toddler outside to play while you do the ironing or cook the dinner. Why do you think that Italy has such a low birth rate? Multi storey housing is anti-family.

[@ballroomdiva6856]

@@chriswatson1698 So you want a house with a garden and you don't want to live in a city/town with parks within walking distance? Also, Italy has had that sort of apartment setup for centuries - the cause of its current low birth rate is more about job stability, insufficient childcare and cultural attitudes to having children.

[@lukaszrower7612]

Either the robotization of our lives or the production of clones for various jobs or activities...

[@nicolejennings8389]

He's describing a college campus for adults

[@JunkSock]

If humans are interchangeable cogs: should be great If humans have divergent group performances biologically: uh oh

[@danieldpa8484]

The world was fine with 200 million people in year “0”, Roman Empire, China and India prospered. Population collapse is only a problem for the rich as markets shrink and investments get worthless while labour gets expensive. With much less population everyone can live on top tier standards without poverty, hunger, homelessness or unemployment. Just like the Georgia guidestones thought us. So, cry me a river! I cannot afford a house for my family, I work like a dog and barely can get by because there are too many people and too little space.

[@T1tusCr0w]

This times x100 btw. The rich made it impossible to get ahead or live like a human being with work life balance & never be out of debt. Nah.. not interested in that.

[@SmartAfrican_]

@@T1tusCr0w Now I understand why Thanos wiped half the population.

[@T1tusCr0w]

@@SmartAfrican_ there is this crazy notion that bigger is better. It’s absolutely not true. We were designed for 100,000 years to be in tribes of 30-50 people. Who lived with us, fought for us, listened to us & we reciprocated. Our problems were their problems. We had a full enriched life & society within our own tribe. The vast teaming world of millions of anonymous people in giant cities took everything from us. We ALL feel empty & homeless due to this. We try to fill it with shared experiences of consumerism but it’s not the same. Nor is 1 small nuclear family. Though they would tell you it is. They want everyone disenfranchised. Alone. 1 single thing apart from all the other single things. Because this way those who order the world have much more control. Thanos was right..

[@chriswatson1698]

@@SmartAfrican_ But Thanos didn't confine his destruction to humans. He wiped out other species as well

[@Preciouspink]

0:01 Yeah,but we still have to peak.At least, 2 billion more people. Young people might eat our boomer faces.If we don’t get off our (asset heavy ass) and build some places to live.For so many living on a working person’s earnings.

[@georgea.lozano2619]

for "WHOM"!!

[@1x93cm]

Assuming short term trends = forever. He's also assuming a future where AI and robotics advanced don't exist at all. This is only a problem for governments that need more slaves to prop themselves up

[@T1tusCr0w]

I’ve been watching a few of these debates are they are all extreme idiots. The solutions & landscape they talk about have no relation to reality or future reality. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@anhangamirim]

Would be nice to see a pannel on that theme only with women on the room.

[@andre1987eph]

Modern women are in Rebellion of God.

[@rowell669]

​@@andre1987ephyou're damned right we are!

[@lindatullos9430]

I had one child . That's all I wanted and am glad I didn't have any more children. The population decline may bother some ,but it's only going to help the planet itself to recover from the excess numbers of people on this planet (over time). The real population growth is at the top because people are living longer. The old and the rich are likely to be the ones that lose the most from the pyramid scheme of population growth to support the aging population and investment growth fantasy money.

[@eirikbelisarius1100]

The rich will manage, the poor will suffer, as always. Those who are old now will be just fine. Those who are old in 40 years should plan for this by saving.

[@jonathancummings3807]

No. You didn't listen to Dr. Bricker. The population decline will bother EVERYONE WHO IS STILL ALIVE. There is NO POPUlATION GROWTH at the top, or anywhere in the Western World. A very great disaster for the species Homo Sapiens. Extinction is a very real threat. In the Pleistocene relatives of our species, multiple species of upright walking Hominins, Australopithecines, Homo Erectus, Neanderthals, Denisovans, all dwindled and became extinct during the past 3 million years. We too can dwindle and perish within the next couple centuries.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@eirikbelisarius1100 "saving"? Where? Under the mattress? Banks invest in stocks, shares and real estate. They put your money to work, but for your money to earn, there has to be consumption.

[@eirikbelisarius1100]

@@chriswatson1698 Yea. Difficult to know where to put them in a society with less consumption. There is always going to be growth somewhere thou.

[@Slavianophile]

An only child often has some inner problems because he has no early experience of communicating and sharing with brothers or sisters. Having siblings is a good school of life, especially for relations with a spouse and your own children.

[@semilio1]

In 2030 the youngest boomers will be 66-67, many of them will still be working, so the picture is not so grim. My generation will have to work till 75 or longer, those with great health.

[@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800]

I think, as the cities like Seattle collapse, many businesses started satellite offices in smaller cities that are close by. These smaller cities were more accessible, more livable and much safer with better policing.

[@comment8767]

They won't stay that was if Democrats keep moving in.

[@Number237]

I think he's wrong on the consumption point. At the very least he doesn't make a sound argument (at least not here). I'd be curious what economists say re this. At the end of the day you can have artificial consumption (gov can buy products and dump in ocean of necessary - would never be necessary to be clear).

[@Slavianophile]

One big problem is that our modern civilisation brings people up to be selfish and hedonistic. All we care about is our self - self-realisation, wellness, getting every possible pleasure we could think of, satisfying our silliest whims ... We do not have a sense of duty to our country or our people. All that is hardly conducive to a happy family life or raising children.

[@antinatalistwitch111]

Imagine the level of cognitive dissonance soooo deeply ingrained in people such as yourself, who believe we owe loyalty to a country that would allow us to starve while they dispose of good food and be homeless living on the streets while they inflate the cost of homes that sit empty of the market for months 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣.

[@suezcontours6653]

Aka white supremacy

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

@@suezcontours6653 Rather something more traditional than that.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

@@antinatalistwitch111 "Imagine the level of cognitive dissonance" Have you thought it through? There are quite a few people on the right who indeed started loosing sense of duty towards their governments, but usually left-wingers start to freak out when they notice that...

[@chriswatson1698]

Since WWII, the world's population has tripled. It will take a long time for the population to get back to what it was in 1950. And the world's population IS still growing. Our Earth isn't coping with the present level of human consumption and waste. She can't cope with an extra billion.

[@kelleemerson9510]

Don't worry WEF and big pharma is speeding up the decline v by v.

[@biosecurePM]

Nonsense, almost 1 billion left the Earth since 2020.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@biosecurePM Yet the total population is still rising.

[@biosecurePM]

@@chriswatson1698 If that were the case, then considering all observations (as mentioned in the video), someone already must be engaged in industrial scale covert reproduction of humans.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@biosecurePM Yes, the Africans. The World Bank website gives estimates by country of babies per woman.

[@biosecurePM]

The rational approach would be to industrialize human reproduction.

[@UberGastronomer]

If by rational you mean to create a generation of mentally ill orphans without a family who never experienced a mother’s love, then sure go right ahead. It’s quite simple if you know next to nothing about psychology and have no concept of second order effects. It would result in a massive crime wave and a huge surge in antisocial personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, and narcissistic personality disorder.

[@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800]

So EVERYONE is Gen X now….

[@RedPilledFit]

[@anhangamirim]

Their "problem": don't have labor force to explore. That's not our problem. We have each others. Just need to learn how to be a comunity again, before the "lords" took everything from us. (I'm from Brazil. There's not a place to raise kids. I'm moving my family away - and is NOT to USA, terrible place to live also).

[@yudirsamakhlouf2955]

Then the simple solution is to move past capitalism. Most people that chooses not to have children is due to economic factors. And if we focus on benefiting humankind and the world, we should consume less not more.

[@suezcontours6653]

So Socialism?

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Shouldn't we at least wait until we fully rebuild Eastern Europe and Asia from the last socialist experiment?

[@yudirsamakhlouf2955]

@@suezcontours6653 I would say something that may sound radical in the most extreme and unrealistic, but a money-less economy. It’s a very long topic for me to just put here in the comments. You could look up resource-based economy

[@UberGastronomer]

Unlike you, I actually lived under communism. It was hell. Escaping communism and being able to emigrate to a capitalist country saved my life. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you still disagree, then please lead by example and move to North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela where you don’t have to be oppressed by evil capitalist things like food, electricity and freedom of speech.

[@T1tusCr0w]

@@yudirsamakhlouf2955it will come within 10 years I think.

[@DanielWatson-vv7cd]

The world is severely overpopulated. Humanity's ability to feed, cloth, and employ the multitudes will collapse if global numbers are not reduced. If we could keep the numbers somewhere around 100 million we would be okay.

[@ax1338]

How did you get to that conclusion

[@DanielWatson-vv7cd]

@@ax1338 Based off of a Discovery Channel show showing how back around the year 100,000 b.c. human population worldwide stay at a constant level just like all the other animals. It wasn't until we invented agriculture (around 12,000 b.c) we started increasing our population. After the Industrial Revolution our population boomed. When some scientists do the math on calculating how much land a person needs to grow food {Without Destroying the Natural Ecosystem} the number of people the available land could handle is AROUND 100 million. Any number above that would be a burden on the ecosystem and would eventually lead to poor human health along with our demise.

[@T1tusCr0w]

We’re in the plague phase right now. But it’s just about over.

[@teaadvice4996]

This is the most selfish boomer I've ever heard

[@dansdiscourse4957]

Totally contrarian view here. I think Darrell is right as far as the next ten years go, but after that I think his assumptions are going to prove wrong to a considerable degree

[@donovan5656]

I dont know why he says its hard to have kids in your early 30s. It's not other than mindset.

[@jennifercubone2571]

premenopause and harder to carry baby full term depending on genes and other health problems men it's different

[@sharonsloan]

I haven't used anything to prevent contraception since having my child at 30. Still only have 1 child in my late 40's. Womens health declines with hormonal changes to.

[@alexdetrojan4534]

Paul Ehrlich was proven wrong, Darryl is just decades late and just as misinformed in his own way.

[@chriswatson1698]

Wrong. Paul Ehrlich was right. But his predictions were self-defeating because the developed countries heeded his warnings and reduced their breeding, thereby avoiding what Ehrlich predicted would happen with continued population increase. The people of Africa are experiencing conflict and poverty. Africans are fleeing Africa and invading Europe.

[@jimbobhaha]

​@@chriswatson1698 You're a troll bot

[@chriswatson1698]

@@jimbobhaha So no reasoned, thoughtful response then?

[@rohj4825]

We need protection of all humans life from moment of conception.