Stephen J Shaw: The surprising truth about world fertility rates | The InnerView

[@Caligirl1977]

They are saying that women who want kids should prioritize family but why should we do this when it’s not beneficial to us? Why should women sign up for a life of hardship and financial struggle for the greater good of the world in a world that’s not prioritizing making child bearing more desirable to us?

[@jayc342009]

I'm a man and i personally refuse to have kids because i hate the system we live under, where a tiny percentage of greedy, sadistic people own the majority of the wealth.

[@mbr5270]

Tell us later how your ‘Me first’ attitude has made your life better. I will be curious…

[@antinatalistwitch111]

​@@mbr5270men has always had their me first attitudes. So what?

[@Caligirl1977]

@@mbr5270 not that I need to explain anything to you, but it’s already making my life much better than those I know who do have kids. Perhaps you can tell me how being concerned with what someone else is doing with their life benefits you. That’s the problem, people are too dang nosy and should just mind their own business. If you want to have kids, go for it and if you don’t, then don’t. It’s that simple and it’s nobody’s business

[@Caligirl1977]

@@antinatalistwitch111 exactly. That’s why they can’t stand to see women adopting the same mind set

[@joyandrews3804]

It’s very expensive to have children. Women are expected to work throughout pregnancy, take a few weeks off work then back to work. Then there’s childcare expenses. Then when she gets home it’s housework, feeding the family, and putting them to bed. It sounds exhausting. People want a life, not servitude. It’s a very different world from when I had children. I took care of my children at home until they were teenagers before returning to the workplace.

[@blueskye1827]

Yeah $150 per day, per child for childcare, and your job wants you to work 5 days a week. And if you get paid $200 per day after paying for childcare you have $250 for everything else. It's a joke, not to mention the address stress of everyday life. 😅

[@katiez688]

How can people have kids first and then start a career???? How are people going to pay for all their living expenses, childcare expenses, education expenses, if they aren’t working? Does he think money falls out of the sky?

[@CyesH-we6oo]

He is explaining that, as a society, we didn't take into account that fertility has a limited window and our current expectations are not sustainable or realistic. (just to point out, 80% of childless individuals are childless due to circumstance and not by choice.) He is simply bringing awareness to the situation before it becomes so bad that having a career will be the least of your worries or not even possible. The current trend of depopulation isn't a slow decline, it will fall off a cliff (careers will go with it too). We need to seriously find a solution to this and think about it deeply.

[@chriswatson1698]

Nobody wants to employ a 40 year old beginner, even if she has a degree. They want work experience which you can't get caring for a child and doing housework.

[@mariehatcher8176]

​@@chriswatson1698no but why can't we employ 30 year old beginners and have children in our 20's when fertility is at it's highest. After all most of us will be working well into our 70's. So even in your 30's you still have 40 good working years ahead of you.

[@Jean-qn4fy]

​​@@chriswatson1698The vast majority of people, with and without degrees, have jobs. They don't have engrossing careers. They don't have "callings" (unless they become priests or nuns). They just have jobs. Your lifetime satisfaction will not come from your job. It will come from your human relationships, from your family. That's true for both men and women.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@Jean-qn4fy Raising a family without money isn't any fun, especially when all the responsibility for the care of children falls on a single person.

[@Deathscroll41]

It's funny how wealthy people see it coming but are doing nothing to make living more affordable. Most don't want a family in an unaffordable and unsustainable environment.

[@tchai91]

Very confusing comment. Why do you think it’s only wealthy people who see this coming? These numbers are available to everybody. And why is it the responsibility of wealthy people to solve it?

[@Merriwether-w8k]

@@tchai91 Elon called it a problem - it will be his problem - nobody to buy his cars

[@Joshua-eo5hr]

​@@Merriwether-w8kit's not just no one buying cars the whole economy could collapse with deflation which is a lot worse a shrinking economy means less productivity.

[@ladylyonteeth3952]

You jumped over the next natural question. Why are such huge numbers of young people missing this vital life milestone? What are the specific drivers, and why is important to understand them?

[@zumurudlilit]

@@Merriwether-w8kelon is the problem - No sane woman would want to have kids with this man. He is a bad partner, bad husband and bad father. But he is rich. Men want to be like him - but his only asset is his enormous wealth. Without it - he has nothing to offer.

[@clipkut4979]

If people are cash and time-poor (because they have to work A LOT to meet their basic human needs), they won't have kids. No one wants to have kids just to see them suffer or not have time to see them at all. Unfortunately under our current economic system, we squeezed the working and middle class to the point where they can barely look after themselves, and have no spare resources to look after someone else. We can't fix birth rates if we don't fix capitalism and wealth hoarding first.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Duh. Obviously

[@AprilFriday-de6vm]

@@theultimatereductionist7592plenty of older people have absolutely no idea that wealth distribution has been become more concentrated at the top, or that the middle class has shrunk, and they just truly believe that younger people are just selfish. It’s not a well-duh for the boomers in my life.

[@homergee3381]

Money = Rights, Take our rights, we can't control that but you won't enslave our children.

[@cristianm7097]

Correct ! No reason to produce the next generation of slaves.

[@nated9075]

Wanna bet?

[@grumman38]

You are controlled by your phone, cars that can be controlled and tracked remotely, use of internet and data. You will be controlled and limited to where you go and how, when and where you spend your money. China has been testing devices (smart phones), that will set times that you can spend your E money. This will allow them to control the money supply more precisely. The last item is gun control, this is the only item people in control fear.

[@pholdway5801]

Cutting off one's own nose to spite your face?........... YOU... won't exist !

[@eveharris30]

​@pholdway5801 No one will exist to get over it.

[@brunocar9758]

I do not want to have a child.

[@DeathDealerX07]

Most of us don't lol That's why the population is about to plummet. Good.

[@niqjaw5009]

You'd have to be a naïve and egocentric idiot to want to add more innocent human beings into this massively overpopulated planet. People should embraced the childfree lifestyle for the benefit of the planet. Livin' n' lovin' the childfree lifestyle!

[@h_h4790]

Then who’s gonna pay for our retirement

[@DeathDealerX07]

@@h_h4790 No one. Robots integrated with AGI will soon take over. Nearly everything in society will be automated in the next decade or two, max. There might be a UBI, if we're lucky, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[@SoulControlla99]

@@h_h4790 The US wants to increase the retirement age while the life expectancy is decreasing. There is no retirement to pay for.

[@dragosfrangu]

Housing, child care and health care should be way cheaper in my opinion.

[@lilianab4756]

Absolutely!❤

[@chriswatson1698]

Why should child care workers be paid less than anyone else?

[@db6881]

​@chriswatson1698 We're already paid nothing, hence why so many of us are leaving the occupation.

[@castirondude]

The issue is in over-regulation/bureaucracy. That's why the service is expensive even though the people actually providing the service still earn almost nothing.

[@bazooextreme167]

I grew up broke, I don’t want my child to have the same life that I had. The living costs are huge, if you don’t make at least 150k please DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN

[@cristianm7097]

150k $ in US ?

[@joyceonthego8317]

@@cristianm7097 Yup! I believe we do.

[@niqjaw5009]

Breeding is plain selfish Livin' n' lovin' the childfree life!

[@Joshua-eo5hr]

I'm having children I don't have to make 150k

[@taylorrevest2027]

ruling class has destroyed your soul

[@Starting_anew]

This interview seems to be putting all the pressure on women rather than on men and society in engineering a world hostile to childbirth and childbearing.

[@PA-zt6xu]

No he is saying that women can only have children so long. They are not like men where they can have children into their 70s. A woman at 40 has like a 5% chance to have a child naturally and past 43 the chances to have a child naturally is less the 1%. If you take IVF into account a women 40 and to 45 years old still have less than a 15% chance to have a kid with her own egg. Then even with a egg donor the % is still low unless she is healthy and has a healthy uterus. And that is after taking account having to pay anywhere from 30k to 100k in IVF cost just for an attempt to have a child.

[@PA-zt6xu]

Overall this is a European, Asia and a western world problem. Africa and the Middle East does not have this problem. So those regions possibly will be the future leaders of the world.

[@garbagecanplay]

The incentive I need is to be able to buy a house and survive on 1.5 incomes. I'm sad to not be able to have a kid but the reality is just not feasible the way things are.

[@immortalideas-fi6kj]

Having kids is very stressful. My friend and his girlfriend who used to be happy are having trouble in their relationship after she had a baby. Financial troubles.

[@cestmoifu1406]

Women dont want to be tied down with children. They want to live their lives.

[@piedradesechada]

You can live your life with your children!

[@antinatalistwitch111]

​@@piedradesechadano. 😊

[@niqjaw5009]

Exactly. Women have realised that they don't want to buy in to the endless drudgery of childrearing and lack of liberty.and time for travelling and doing fun stuff. Tubal ligatures and vasectomies should be for free for all!

[@taylorrevest2027]

vast majority of childless women in their 30's and 40's wanted children lol you have no idea what your're talking about

[@milantomich6568]

But never make accountable billionaires who are raping this planet and people and they did all this in the end.

[@MACGYVER7400]

Everyone talks about climate change, so it might be good when there are less humans. From my perspective I don't feel lonely but free.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Because AGW is a real massive harm and threat. That is why people SHOULD talk about it and act to reverse it.

[@M43782]

This is the reason we need more young people. Young people want chance and make an impact, and they are innovative. Old people want to keep the status quo.

[@ADR-j9m]

I think the problem is urbanization. Cost of housing is extremely high and space is tight. One or two people living in a small apartment is doable, you start adding children to that mix and it becomes crowded way too fast. Not having a child as an easy decision when you live in 500 square-foot apartment that you can barely afford. That all comes from moving into a city.

[@danieldpa8484]

Nobody needs more people, the world was fine with 200 million in year “0”, it will be fine again. It’s the transition that is painful, but basically it’s a problem of billionaires who don’t want markets to shrink. Cry me a river.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

EXACTLY!

[@maxpeck4154]

This

[@mikey2348]

They aren't afraid of the decline, its who is declining that bothers them.

[@lenastle8764]

The trillionaires funded the conditions to encourage this. A lot of billionaires are on board as well. They intend to replace the low IQ masses with Ai and robots. They just need a controllable select few for breeding and creativity. The species might actually be better for it if Ai doesn’t get out of control.

[@pincopallino8176]

Exactly. I don't see the issue. And if the government wouldn't steal all our money, we would be able to support the older generation just fine.

[@JoJo-ie8sl]

Two men talking about why women aren't having babies. The irony

[@chriswatson1698]

Mothers are penniless. Another person controls the means by which she satisfies her own needs and that of her children When a woman does most of the child care, or takes time off work when her children need adult attention, she is investing in the earning power of that child's father at the expense of her own. She must have a well established career of her own to be secure, because the father of her children is free to abandon her at any time and halve her living standard, on no grounds at all. Then the years of investment that she has made in supporting her husband's career, will go to benefit another woman, probably younger and with a career.

[@HInc7647]

Omg this!!

[@blueamenaa749]

The truth.

[@krbyp8092]

💯💯💯

[@castirondude]

Men are saying the same thing. Why work just to lose it all in a divorce.

[@axl8653]

Fundamentally correct and beautifully said.

[@duncanweller1]

Two Canadian demographers back in 2016 said the cell phone has a HUGE impact on women deciding to delay having children an to get jobs and leave villages and poverty for the city to live without children. All this is actually a big POSITIVE aspect to empowering individuality, but the side effect is fewer children.

[@bribri1657]

There's no incentive to have the kids unless the government's going to pay a lot of money for each one. I'm all about supply and demand.

[@skylinefever]

This is why welfare users are often the only ones with a net positive birth rate.

[@evilds3261]

Exactly. If those in power aren't willing to make sacrifices for our betterment, why should we be expected to sacrifice for them?

[@niqjaw5009]

Not entirely... Once one has made the eco-responsible or moral decision to not add more innocent human beings into this massively overpopulated and dying planet, it doesn't matter how much money/financial benefits a government is willing to offer, many people will still refuse to procreate. Even if I was offered 10 million dollars to procreate, I would still refuse on ecological and ethical grounds. Breeding is plain selfish. Livin' n' lovin' the childfree lifestyle!

[@trevorsebastian1341]

Having to compete for housing with childless, double income couples is causing housing costs to skyrocket, further disincentivizing couples that would’ve had children with a single income. Or, if your single and a millennial or gen z, your going to have to room with 3 roommates to afford a crappy place. Of course your not going to afford to marry and have kids in that situation.

[@azmodanpc]

How are childfree couples impairing family creation and housing affordability? They have to pay the same astronomical amount of money for housing. It's not like they get a discount if they don't have kids. Even with two incomes they are struggling to pay rent or mortgage. Here in Europe, couples get thousands of Euros a year if you have children

[@trevorsebastian1341]

@@azmodanpc hmm I’m not sure about families with multiple children. But I was just saying being a childless couple even on modest incomes the people can afford luxuries that’s why the luxury market is booming even as fertility rates plummet. At least here in the US I don’t think there’s too many benefits to having kids at least not that I’m aware of.

[@aysepersona4194]

It is because childless couples can keep the extra cash and push into the housing market, whereas couples with children who have naturally more expenses and actually need the space have to spend a lot into their children, making them compete with a very different and more rich group.

[@azmodanpc]

@@aysepersona4194 Childfree couples may need less space to live than couples with children. Those houses are already too small for them. If I'm childfree and looking for a house, I would rather buy a cheaper, smaller house.

[@aysepersona4194]

@@azmodanpc unfortunately, the statistics show, that this is rather not holding true. Childless couples orient their square footage around their BUDGET, not their space needs. This holds true for most people in most situations.

[@jorda_n_]

If I can’t afford a house and Expect for it to raise in value so I can make financial gains from said house how would I expect my made up children to afford the current trend?

[@matthewmarkjohnson]

Had a vasectomy at 26. Now 43.Still the best decision of my life. There's no end to children who are already here who need our help. Plenty of parenting opportunities and a chance to make family. I made this decision because I felt the future was bleak and there is nothing that special about my DNA. There are lots of single mums out there. I voted with my DNA (and you only get one vote that matters... call it a "referendum on the system"). I will not breed for the capitalist machine.

[@sweden_is_xxxx]

Not breed for the capitalist machine! 👍 Great way to put it. I myself consume as little as possible and therefore I'm able to work as little as possible. Don't need a lot of money and a comfortable life here in Sweden actually doesn't have to be expensive. I don't wanna make others rich with my work and consumption.

[@MichaelSchilderner]

I think in the (near) future many countries will force people to have children, if in-vitro fertilization (managed by the goverment) does not work. There already ideas in China and Poland. Poland did ban abortion. Some other countries try to make vasectomy more difficult. In my country you have to be over 25 years old to be allowed to do that.

[@eirikbelisarius1100]

@@sweden_is_xxxx That's what important to you? Not making other people rich? You got a free education, and now you want to work as little as possible, pay as little as possible in tax and pull the ladder up behind you? When you are old you want to live in a home for elderly and let other taxpayers pay for it with their work...

[@sweden_is_xxxx]

@@eirikbelisarius1100 Yep. That's about it. It sounds an awful lot like you wanna force me to work and consume more. You object to my freedom. 👍😉

[@lilyann168]

​@MichaelSchilderner they tried that in Romania in the 80s.

[@sarahkareem1251]

The rise in infertility is to do with the modern lifestyle we are living. Processed foods, less exercise, sedentary lifestyles, instant foods, over working which leads to more stress. Chemicals in the food, air and water that gets into our system and messes our hormones. Also both men and women are too busy pursuing their career rather than coming together and raising a family in a traditional environment where the father manages the income and the mother manages the home.

[@Ari.B.47]

Absolutely spot on! Some of those factors lead to obesity. And it's no surprise that both obesity and infertility are rising.

[@sarahkareem1251]

@@Ari.B.47 Yes, obesity reduces fertility in both men and women. Unfortunately obesity is being promoted under the guise of "body positivity".

[@zebrafinch12]

Traditional marriage? Interesting term

[@secretsecret1713]

Yeah yeah let's again blame drugs for making drug addicts

[@fpxpGetReal]

Look up Hans Rosling a brilliant statistician .

[@MTHistoryBuff]

Childrearing still predominantly falls on women and unduly burdens them in so many facets. People should not be surprised that there is an increase in Child-Free people. Let the world reset. The model of having more children than an aged population is not sustainable in the current world with people living increasingly longer.

[@marty9011]

I am the mother of 4 children & have never felt burdened. Instead, I feel useful & worthwhile & I don't think you necessarily feel this in a job.

[@JJ-te2pi]

I think the biggest burden is a life fill of obsession with climbing the corporate ladder.

[@savagesweetheart90]

@@marty9011 Different strokes for different folks. It might work for you but be a burden to others. Live and let live.

[@Prometheus100110]

You have to find a man that wants you first. By the time most women want kids, men are now just checking out. It's no longer worth the risk. Men and women are choosing loneliness over the other and procreating.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@marty9011 Suppose that your husband discovers an interest in a younger, childless woman, perhaps with a career Then you will have to support yourself, do all the household chores and pay all the expenses yourself.

[@niqjaw5009]

One ego plus another ego, minus imagination equals three or more. People should cease breeding for the good of the planet. Livin' n' lovin' the childfree lifestyle!

[@meixo9083]

why do zoo animals hardly reproduce?

[@TonyMidyett]

The psychopaths in The One Percent hate it when their serfs stop pumping out new serfs.

[@pholdway5801]

You are right . The rich profit from over population. especially the grain for famine suppliers. They really coin it . One firm actually confessed to manipulating grain prices for extra profits. Imagine a science fiction story where a planet somewhere had an ultra elite that possessed 99 % of all wealth and went on a rich only island on an isolated island in the centre of a huge ocean. Just the ultra rich....A year later they came back to find that the teeming population was now one a billion and these super immune few had no appetite at all for menial labour and would not carry bags or repair cars .Even worse the ultra rich caught the new infection and in another few months were also only a hundred in number. The WEALTH of the rich DEPENDS ON the rest of the population continuing to live and need goods to buy.

[@siewmj1]

Then they should make one of their own lol

[@glory2cybertron]

@@siewmj1yes, the super rich can afford the Saudi Royals way and churn out busloads of "heirs" like Elon Musk is doing

[@taylorrevest2027]

lol they are literally the ones who are deleting you from the world. THe rich are having more kids than anyone. They are going to milk everything from the proles to build their automated economy and then the proles will die of old age, alone, completely dominated. Precisely the opposite outcome Marx predicted.

[@ZFern9390]

Greedy A@# politicians and corporations and billionaires driving middle class and working class into poverty. Duh! People with half a brain cell won't be pumping out hungry mouths to feed!

[@nodaklojack]

Too few babies or are the elderly not dying off fast enough?

[@tanler7953]

That's the issue, isn't it? World population growth was a sign of success. It means we have better science, better health care and more food. But I don't agree with Shaw when he says everyone should have a choice to have kids or not. That's how we ended up in this situation, i.e. overpopulation in terms of resources. I worked for almost fifty years in a stressful job. Now that I am retired it is the first time in my life that I feel that life is worth living.

[@patcartier8171]

Not enough attention has been paid to the role of airlines in birth decline. Allowing them to travel on planes among other passengers, rather than in spaces reserved for them, has done a great deal of damage to the reputation of children..

[@pinchebruha405]

Heck are you kidding they did more to show us how many lowlifes are among us 😢 makes me feel like I’m drowning in the stupidity and grossness of humans at their worst 😅

[@meixo9083]

lol

[@piedradesechada]

😂😂

[@rabiariaz2112]

😂

[@gonza8824]

no jobs, no economical stability big important factors for not having children and no kindergartens, not enough, .. or too expensive!! no cooperation of men in domestic work!! very important... no cooperation of men in the house.

[@jayc342009]

And of course, you blame men...typical women. No accountability, always the mans fault.

[@ZFern9390]

Most fathers are so unreliable. 😢

[@mickmegson6241]

No women worth marrying

[@DivineScaleOfGod]

This is humanities way of saying enough!

[@totwallybaba]

I think there is a boycott against marriage and dating long term at the moment. This and none of the reasons for it were stated in the video. Divorce courts, excessive child support, alimony and debtors prison are the main reasons why men have stepped away. Men are a resource that have a vote in the matter. They vote it isn't worth changing a castle into a semi-private residence when they cohabitate.

[@Rowlph8888]

You are right, but These reasons can't be the worst problem, otherwise why do all asian countries have much worse birth rates(KZbin Videos everywhere show they don't have Western Toxic feminism), And Third World countries have got the same Drop over Time , having more children than the West, but more of whom will die young and due to having a worse Infannt Mortality rate and standaard off livinng.They don't have the same issues, that you describe. I think thea Fertility of Both men and women have declined substantially

[@randyjones3050]

Everything about our society has been artificially engineered from the top down to discourage people from having kids. Now we are going to be forced to deal with the catastrophic social consequences of this idiotic social engineering.

[@whitneyanders5945]

Men need marriage and don’t like being alone. Just look up the countless studies that prove this.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

"I think there is a boycott against marriage and dating long term at the moment." Where? When?

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

No such BS as "Western toxic feminism". That is just alarmist crap created by media to silence feminists@@Rowlph8888

[@linmal2242]

Less people means more room for other species, which are increasingly at risk from our societies. The Natural World needs more room with less of us and more space for them!

[@niqjaw5009]

Exactly. Earth's ecosystem thanks those who have made the eco-responsible choice of not having kids in this massively overpopulated planet with rapidly depleting resources and catastrophic climate change previsions. Breeding is selfish.

[@taylorrevest2027]

all ecological issues are downstream from a proliferation of unproductive workers

[@sillyman382]

So what. it's about quality over quantity. 1950s population level was so dire?

[@danieldpa8484]

The truth is, it’s unaffordable to have children, it’s impossible to find a good woman, and it’s too risky for a man to have a family.

[@gabrielledegroot4364]

I know a few good single women who are stable and financially responsible. They are looking but hate online dating.

[@sugarwaterpurple5280]

You'd have to be a good man. Most men are not that. And women are no longer interested in being married single moms.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

And many women say it is impossible to find a good man.

[@jayc342009]

@@theultimatereductionist7592 because what women define as a "good man" is unrealistic. Over 6 foot, 6 figure income etc.

[@FucTrump]

If rich people hate it, it's a great thing.

[@odiumgeneris729]

Underrated comment.

[@DeathDealerX07]

💯

[@lilianab4756]

Oh 😮 I didn't think about it like that! Great point 😂❤

[@taylorrevest2027]

rich people are literally having the most kids out of everyone lol

[@taylorrevest2027]

your own narcissim is going to end your line lol

[@dr.brennstab2201]

Maybe people finally realize that life is a curse, not a gift.

[@db6881]

Especially in this world.

[@didforlove]

@@db6881 things out of balance right now for sure

[@mayy9685]

Finally someone said what no one wants to say.

[@mayy9685]

@@db6881not in any world. Even the best life is to much suffering.. watching ur loved ones die , things always changing , and living through your mortality watching urself grow old is a horrific concept and punishment if u ask me

[@MakeMoney-zh7uc]

Those in power made us come to that conclusion,i think the "leaders" of todays world need to feel the lack of slaves in order for things to change !

[@monicaolsson7608]

To do double work is not very appealing. I have one job and that's enough.

[@lilyann168]

Did this guy really just say we should deprioritize education. Oh my god, the idiocracy.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

I know, right?!

[@piedradesechada]

Is education your god?

[@SoulControlla99]

@@piedradesechada Without an education, how would you even know about god?

[@piedradesechada]

@@SoulControlla99for thousands of years “education” occurred at home and in the community.

[@taylorrevest2027]

Most college graduates are unproductive workers. Their domains of capital are actually catabolic. Most of the economy is unproductive actually. All the ecological issues are due to this. Get rid of government, service, and PMC workers and we may have a chance of survival as a species.

[@suzrau]

Workers will not be needed to teach and care for children because of the lower birthrate so they will be employed looking after the elderly. Funds not needed for children will be redirected to the elderly. Childcare is extremely expensive and who wants to bring children into a world that is failing to deal with climate change?

[@pce12345]

💯

[@shumoon1]

And eldercare isn't expensive?🤔

[@joyceonthego8317]

Make that a world that is failing at lots more than climate change!

[@taylorrevest2027]

Teaching has a little bit of status associated, at least in the mind of teachers lol. These people will not switch to elderly care and they aren't equipped to either. Most old people will die via euthanasia in the next 20 years.

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Taboo subject : The correlation between intelligence and fertility.

[@skylinefever]

Brawndo's got electrolytes! Welcome to Costco, I love you.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

We know. Everyone sees it nobody says it.

[@niqjaw5009]

Many people have rationally considered the pros and cons of breeding have arrived at the conclusion that breeding is not right for them due to ecological or moral/ethical issues. In general the childfree by choice community are way above average IQ level because they have thought through this very process.

[@ZFern9390]

Look at this world. It's packed with people!

[@GobikrishnaGovindaraj]

Any couples from India (Tamilnadu) Agree Don't want Baby? Married 2017 till no baby ,past 3 years No proper Job, Financial problems, Relationship issues, feeling why I married? Marriage happiness and dreams all mostly end within 1 or 2 years once got married. Then will face both of Husband and wife questions why got married. Better stay Single, incase married better live without kids

[@kevinc2821]

Having a kid seems stressful

[@geeem7889]

Its not just the career part, its the cost of living! But the 2 are interconnected because due to the higher cost of living ppl feel the need to prioritize career so that they can make enough money to live. How can one even think about having kids if on 2 incomes sometimes ppl still struggle to stay afloat? Rent and housing costs have increased exponentially. In Toronto, a 1 bedroom apartment is now $2000 or over, depending on where you live. That's half or more than half of someone's income in a lot of cases. If you have kids you need more space. Not to mention cost of food...cost of everything has gone up. So yeah, i dont see this get better any time soon. Make it affordable to live comfortably on 1 income..maybe then things will improve.

[@high-d8872]

Austrian here, we have 4 children, (1 is severly mentally handicapped), and we talk a lot about all this. As I Learned that Most of my childhood friends have no kids i was shocked. I am 42 my kids are 23, 20, 15 and 12. I hope at least one will have kids.😢 We had no money with the small kids, all our friends had shiny things and holidays, and we were at home caring for sick kids. Howcan a new car or a new phone or a job be more important than family. 😢 Its bad

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

Why do you hope people have kids? If someone wants kids great but for many people work is more demanding, cost of living is high, requirements of education are high, and there are no strong incentivise to have kids. In fact, not having kids means more disposable income, less stress and more autonomy. You’ll have to make a really good case for parenthood in my opinion otherwise only those who really want to experience it or those that have accidents will. Good day

[@herbayum76]

Its not so much the material things but also the time and energy both work and children demand that frightens people...maybe you just can manage but what if there's a disruption one way or the other...its a dilemma...i admire the couples that are daring enough..

[@patcartier8171]

People who choose not to have kids do not prefer the new car or the new phone. We prefer opting out of parenthood. Not living as a family is our aim, time is our wealth - additional consumption is just a bonus, nothing more than a side effect.

[@KT-ey3lh]

As a childless person who moved up in the socioeconomic ladder when I started working, I'm just beginning to experience the benefits of this status I no longer have to deal with clothes/shoes that disintegrate after half a year I no longer have to deal with phones that get cranky after a yr I don't have to worry if I have the means to buy everything on the doctor's medicine prescription Being on a higher economic ladder enables a person to build a better credit score which means lower interest rates in the future when buying a house/car Descending to a lower economic status is something I can't afford because I'm witnessing how the quality of the 'affordable' things my family used to buy when I was young is becoming worse over the years while its price is becoming less affordable

[@niqjaw5009]

Why have four! Didn't you consider the environmental impact of adding such large number of new resource consuming humans onto this resources-depleted planet? Why do you hope one of your offspring has kids? Do you think you will be cheating death?

[@revoroad1789]

No, there are too many people on the planet. Every single ecosystem on earth is struggling. From forests (rainforests in particular that harbour so much eco-diversity) to insects - homosapiens have caused rapidly deminishing numbers and diversity.

[@niqjaw5009]

Exactly. All problems can be traced to human overpopulation. All wars throughout history were due to battling over limited resources.

[@MargaretCraigie]

When emotive words such as 'frightening' are used, then there absolutely is a bias, if not an agenda. It is one thing to report that countries are below replacement level, it is another to make a judgement call on that. Quite apart from which, unless you think that we can grow forever, then sub-replacement and a birth gap is a mathematical requirement at some point anyway. The question is how it is to be managed.

[@bobsontheepic42]

Numbers in some coutries are frightening. It's not just population decline but collapse. Fertility rate in South Korea is so low and declines so fast that if the trend continues the Fertility rate in about 25 years might be virtually zero. China alone will lose more people by the of this century then all the people living in South America. Nobody knows how to turn Fertility rates back up. Scandinavian coutries have generous benefits and are still Below replacement and dropping.

[@MargaretCraigie]

@@bobsontheepic42 Numbers are not frightening, they are just numbers. It's whether an individual chooses to be alarmed. Just as some people are alarmed by declines, others are more alarmed by the increases that we've had. It's the bias of whoever makes the programme as to which side they take.

[@LucareonVee]

@@bobsontheepic42 The rates shouldn’t increase until we’re lower than 4 billion people on the planet.

[@myungjooraekim4435]

@@MargaretCraigie Japan will have a third of its population in 20 years, Italy will be not Italian anymore in 30 years and South Koreans will go extinct in 90. Yeah good luck with your ideal world.

[@tchai91]

Okay, so how is it to be managed?

[@timmychonga4901]

It's an illusion of choice. Growing government with extra taxes, going off the gold standard in 1971 all has led to the shrinking of family's. The children watched their mothers juggle the work and home life seeing their struggle. They observed and learned that it's not only hard it's impossible to give a 100% to both. Government is the problem not the solution, taxes and worthless dollar keeps us enslaved chasing an illusion of worth. Young people are seeing having children as providing another slave to the government corporation, unless they find or are able to break out of the monetary matrix children will be a burden instead of a blessing.

[@blueamenaa749]

You re stating the truth.

[@shumoon1]

You blamed everything BUT better access to birth control methods! 😊The Pill is 1000 times more important to population decline than the gold standard.

[@andeidan]

Look at a population evolution graph, it has shot up in the last two centuries with an incredible speed, what we see now is the correction that follows such an growth . The incredible growth of population has been a very good thing for the capitalist system but very bad for the workforce now there is going to balance out a bit, I see no reason to be worried about.

[@ssark9187]

The truth is Wolves will start to worry if the sheeps stopped making babies. Don't you agree. This is exactly what's happening here. The Government or the industries don't give a dam about Men. They don't care about our happiness or our rights. But they do need us to keep the system running. That's the only value we men have for them.

[@Żagñùţ01]

100% correct!!!! Correcting what the Boomers did.

[@whitneyanders5945]

Also extremely bad for the environment and the other sentient beings we share the planet with. It’s sad that not many consider all the other wonderful species that humans negatively impact when taking about population.

[@silviueugen4069]

Bruh all of u still sleeping, if just one generation doesnrt make enough children to stagnate the number of the population in a country, in just 30 years the economy of the country will colapse also the population that will become mothers and father will decline which also means they will have to support all eldery

[@andeidan]

@@silviueugen4069 can you explain why an economy will stagnate if population number decreases, keeping in mind that quality is more imprtant thant quantity, also do you think that ever increasing number of people is allways a good thing, can you prove your point using Bangladesh as a reference for a country with a higher TFR?

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

The Self-Discipline of Veganism I am a hardcore Antinatalist Animal Rights Vegan (AARV). And I tell people to have the DISCIPLINE to GO VEGAN! If you don't have the self-discipline and make the TRIVIALLY INSIGNIFICANT hardship of going vegan, to prevent animals being raised tortured & murdered in factory farms, then YOU HAVE ZERO RIGHT to be lecturing ANYONE ELSE to do or not do anything, whether getting a job or learning a second language or lose weight. Nobody will take you seriously and nobody should take you seriously if YOU ARE NOT A VEGAN - specifically, an AARV! Antinatalist Animal Rights is SPECIFICALLY the rights of animals NOT TO BE FORCIBLY MASS REPRODUCED for our or anyone else's consumption. Veganism is not some trivially unimportant cause like culture or nationalism or anti-vaccination crap.

[@fpxpGetReal]

Hans Rosling was talking about this topic including the present forecast away back in the 70s and 80 s.Oops commented too soon 🤷🏽‍♂️😂

[@SoulControlla99]

Beware anyone professing that they have no agenda.

[@tchai91]

What do you think his agenda is?

[@JoJo-ie8sl]

@@tchai91 who's sharing his documentary? Who's commenting on it? Who financed it?

[@brokengimp5617]

If he was a female speaker or identifies as non-binary they probably wouldn't have canceled. I'm not joking, I'm seeing this more often.

[@nolwino]

In my opinion, the reason for cancellation was a fear of the far-right to weaponize his presentation against womens rights and freedoms. And use of this material by the far-right to further oppress women. (edit)This would be very different pre Dobbs.

[@brokengimp5617]

I didn't think of that, thanks m8.@@nolwino

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Explain why I, an American Green, Antinatalist, Vegan am constantly BLOCKED on KZbin for 24 hours for no reason.

[@taylorrevest2027]

@@theultimatereductionist7592 because you break tos duh

[@nk53nxg]

Animals will not reproduce if conditions are not right, generally they need a surplus of food available above their own needs to raise offspring. I believe the same is true for humans. High housing costs, high work hours, poor job security, poor wages in relation to living costs, high utility costs and the added stress of having children adding to an already financially stressed population means that people will choose not to reproduce. If the conditions are not right, educated people in the developed World will not have children, they know and understand the stress they will be under if they do. Others will argue that 3rd World countries do not have this problem, but this is a poor comparison as children are an asset that can be put to work at the age of 5, in the developed world a child is an economic burden until the age of 16 or 21 depending on tertiary education length. Many animals like deer can actually re-absorb the fetus back into their own body if resources are too scarce to support offspring.

[@ZFern9390]

Did not know that 😮. ( The animals part) I love reading comments on KZbin. I learn so much

[@sharegreats2157]

It is clear that pensions and retirement payments have to be cut down.

[@azmodanpc]

Yep, and starting with GenXers, it's going to be hell. Baby Boomers and Silent Generation had it good. Now Baby Boomers are retiring en masse and enjoying the last gasps of capitalism. A new system will be created in order to prevent a collapse.

[@shizuokaBLUES]

Disagree. Corporate tax and tax on the 1% have to be raised and raised high to support pensions and retirement

[@pce12345]

Why?

[@stillnotmyname1935]

No the governments need to decided to spend less on their war budgets. The money is there it's a problem of allocation.

[@joyceonthego8317]

No way! Don't force the elderly to live in poverty. Don't be cruel to the elders in society. Being elderly is not a crime!

[@brokengimp5617]

Immigration is a band-aid solution for the issue, not to mention immigrants are always treated poorly

[@judithwood6419]

My generation was unusual. We were extremely large and now we’re going maybe back to normal. Cause in the past, most infants died many of their mothers did so too, so kept the birth rate down. now, babies and mothers can survive when you don’t need as many children. And the governments are really, really worried about people not having children and they need to give financial help to the baby Bears of the world.

[@ohioskane363]

Let the economic systems collapse. A new system can be created. Better than letting the ecosystem collapse where there is no do-over.

[@tchai91]

Do you have any concept at all of what letting the economic systems collapsing looks like? Do you have a desire to live off the land with no clean water, available food or electricity? And what new system exactly?

[@ohioskane363]

@@tchai91 A capitalist system that requires continual growth and more and more babies being born simply to sustain that growth is a Ponzi scheme.

[@niqjaw5009]

Is rather deal with the consequences of population collapse than ecosystem collapse. ​@@tchai91

[@Bobby_T_]

Lol they’ve already collapsed

[@Sussudi0]

I don't want that authorities and overall other people are discussing and speculating why women don't make children. Having kids is not other people's business, it's a personal decision. What authorities should do is just show a way to how to adapt economically in this situation. Not to tell how women should consider their personal decision due that declining fertility. This is just natural reaction over populated planet so don't even think about start baby propaganda.

[@judedecruz53]

We can say that young people should have children to replace the elderly and dying!!!! But have they really thought about how they are going to feed the whole world if some of those countries can't produce much or any food in the future

[@tchai91]

Food production methods around the world have become incredibly efficient to the point that we now produce too much food. The problem (and potential famine) around the World is caused by conflict, corruption, and disrupted supply chains, as they have been for circa 40 years.

[@judithwood6419]

And if we return back to a level of population that was equal to 1900 I don’t thinkit’s that like that bad.

[@3-DtimeCosmology]

The human nightmare won't end. It will just shrink. No need to "worry".

[@judithwood6419]

I cannot understand how Elon Musk could worry about the population collapse when his company is building robots to replace human beings. He should be happy about it.

[@niqjaw5009]

He has nine (9) offspring of his own so it is clear he has never had the slightest concern for the impact of that on the environment.

[@patriciamurtagh7998]

Robots don't go shopping 😂

[@shawngrinter2747]

At last some common sense in the population discussion, well done.

[@dashabaranova681]

What I see many people don't understand (and we can see it in the comments) is that fertile age for women is not equal to the time when they have menstruation in their life. Data shows that while the probability of having conception is high starting from ~15 (start of the cycles, number is approximate) it starts declining a little bit after ~25 years. And while this probability is still high on average at the age of 30, but starting from age 35 the decline of a probability of conceiving can be rather described as a sharp fall. It is average and normal. So while the menopause comes after 45 for most of the women, there are almost no chances to have kids after 40 (without IVF and preferably frozen eggs). And of cause there are some lucky individuals to whom this general statistics doesn't apply, but the number of them is very very small. So if an average woman discovers that she has problems conceiving at the age 36 the problems can be attributed to a normative decline in fertility and not to any specific health problems (due to diet, air pollution or anything else as suggested in some comments). The generation of our grand moms had the same pattern in fertility, but they were not interested in having child at 36 (it's a random example) cause they already had 3 kids by the time they were 30. And unfortunately IVF is no magic wand. It certainly increases the chances of having kids if there are problems with natural conceiving, but the effectiveness again tightly correlates with the woman's age. On the other hand men have an illusion that they can catch up after 40 because they don't have the problem of menopause at all. But hard truth is that while theoretical possibility is there, only very few successful man will be able to find someone in a fertile age as a potential mother of their child. Vast majority of those childless men after 40 will remain childless. But everyone tends to forget about men.

[@gonza8824]

only in developed countries, in underdeveloped countries women get pregnant even at 50!!

[@carmenricard3332]

Please provide your sources or none of the above counts.

[@dashabaranova681]

@@carmenricard3332 to those interested I would suggest to search in google "women's fertility with age" and "women's fertility with age research". Quite reliable sources can be found right on the first page of the search results. On IVF success rate one can search for example for "IVF success rate Uk for 2019" (this is the year I checked). A good overview of all the data available on this topic is given in a lecture on youtube "What every woman (and man) should know about the reproductive years". I really don't have any secret sources, all the data is widely available.

[@Volcorom]

@@carmenricard3332 Do a quick search about the topic and you will see that her statement is correct. She doesn't have to write a paper here on KZbin to make her point.

[@LucareonVee]

This is why I’m happy that I’m a man. People aren’t politicizing my body, even though I’m 40 and staunchly childfree.

[@jacobsladder6076]

You can’t live in India as it is so crowded No jobs,no water,pollution,lousy politics Corrupt police etc etc 1.7 billion in 30 years in India! Thank god population is decreasing

[@MichaelWolfe1000]

I started seeing the documentary, and all that dramatic music turned me off...

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

All human beings want 1- good health 2- good relationships 3- good finances Most people struggle with one , two or all of the above . Throw in other factors such as the 4th industrial revolution/ AI displacing workers , inflation , uncertainty, greed and corruption and lack of community and it makes life difficult . More importantly, Many people would like a spiritual path , guidance and a connection to the Creator , but don’t have it. It’s Our consciousness that will make or break this planet 🌍

[@michaelrodriguez3329]

Good coffee too ☕️

[@GobikrishnaGovindaraj]

Yes You are right

[@ziggiLarsson]

Beautifully conducted interview

[@josiemchannel]

The coral reefs are dying, chemicals everywhere. Too many humans

[@newanas5271]

It's not to many humans, it's to many inhuman humans.

[@SoulControlla99]

@@newanas5271 That's what capitalism does. The scum rises to the top.

[@tchai91]

The Great Barrier Reef is in a healthier state than it has been for decades. Why do you think it’s never on the nees anymore?

[@taylorrevest2027]

too many unproductive workers actually

[@richardouvrier3078]

Cambridge is like Harvard. I would never take a dump on these places of “learning”. They are about propaganda.

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Choose : Intelligence? Or Fertility? You can't have both.

[@atheerlaso1750]

Do seriously think that people with no kids are on average smarter just look at these femenists and tell me if they have any grasp on reality

[@maam-yj8ph]

​@@atheerlaso1750why then should we be pressuring feminists to procreate if they are so stupid and out of touch? Make it make sense.

[@JJ-te2pi]

You can have both. This isnutter nonsense.

[@Ruth-os4mi]

@@JJ-te2pi I wish it were nonsense, unfortunately reality doesn't bear this out. Show me a high fertility, high IQ African nation.

[@jaybee2720]

Yeah cool nice to watch two men talking about what women should do with their bodies. Would have been nice if they got a female opinion

[@richardsmith2825]

I’m reading the comments on here with growing alarm. I never knew people are worried about this stuff. There are many things to be concerned about people. Human population decrease isn’t one of them. Lagos, yes Lagos is about to become the first 100 million city! Just imagine the sheer horror of that?

[@sugarwaterpurple5280]

They are worried mostly about the white population.

[@niqjaw5009]

Me.too. I'm concerned and disappointed that people are not concerned about the environmental impact of adding more uselessly-needed humans to this overcrowded planet.

[@potter5647]

having kids is selfish

[@wish1333]

Do you have an any idea about the love and having family ? No?

[@potter5647]

its all just chemicals in your brain, love is not real @@wish1333

[@donz0621]

Family doesn't always equate to children. Siblings can be family too. Aunt and Uncle, grandparents, adopted, godparents, cousins, niece, nephew. Not having kids doesn't mean not being loved by another person and to not love in return.

[@celinasjourney]

@wish1333. You don't have family? Nor friends who are the family you choose? Makes sense that your only option was to have kids then.

[@richardseifried7574]

Population needs to collapse.

[@geminized]

Predicted more than 50 years ago by John Calhoun's experiments with mices "universe 25"

[@LucareonVee]

If you think we’re living in a utopia, then you must be a billionaire.

[@toasgreece]

People are overrated

[@nunurbuisness5578]

A declining population isnt bad we just dont want a sudden drop

[@PA-zt6xu]

Population decline is a concern because the world economy is based on capitalism and economy growth. Your economy can’t grow if you don’t have kids and this can cause recessions/depressions. This is common economical sense. If nothing else you must replace the population. The worse case is you have more elders than children so your population is upside down. You don’t have enough people to pay into taxes and pay into social security which runs up a Deficit and the country will have less resources to provide to the public. You see this now is places like Greece and Italy. Where their economy has shrank and less jobs and less taxes brought in. You have literal ghost towns. This also leads to nationalism and anti immigration. A shrinking population where you need immigrants, but the population gets angry because they feel that the immigrants are getting access to the shrinking resources which then causes a rise in racism and nationalism with the shrinking population of the area.

[@mohammadfaraz664]

No need of children we should give birth one child only today's world is expensive and next 30 years we can't afford a rent school college medicals so one child policy is best or make 2 children if enough of best life

[@mokhachoka2918]

No Taqwa.

[@fpxpGetReal]

Funny how HOLLYWOOD planted the seeds of fear ,Soylent Green ,back in the 70s.

[@vickiesorenson2383]

Tell Elon to pay for the kids people are having if he’s so concerned about the welfare of the world.

[@JoJo-ie8sl]

he doesn;t want to pay for his own.

[@ladylyonteeth3952]

I love this man for sounding the alarm. 🚨

[@miriamwells35]

Too many historical factors. WW2 and it’s aftereffects (PTSD etc)was a big one.

[@middleagebrotips3454]

But quality of life, even expensive, is arguably better than before

[@shahidbasha100]

Depopulation measures had made this disaster

[@Adam-gq4lt]

Women are more concerned about careers, money, and security than having children and a family. Then it's too late because they are too old to be having children. The demographics now is that everywhere you go seniors and elderly people.

[@koy540]

Education of women, at least in the current way we are doing it, is a species ending development. Cross culturally it is being demonstrated. Maybe the alternative is to shift education for women to only ages 0-12 or 14, and for men ages 0-14 to 18 educate men. If you look at the current pattern of 0-21+ for both genders and compare that to the fertility window for women starting at about 12-30 which is 18 years of safe reproduction. With current education patterns we are eating into 9 years of that window, and even worse we are eating into those years by placing women in environments where child bearing is reinforced to be a failure and that cultural reinforcement doesn't fade quickly once they are out of those environments. And that is even before we start talking about further education towards masters/phds which is another 4-8 years cutting into woman's fertility windows. We to rethink how we usher women into working adulthood. Honestly I don't think women should be incentivized to work during this period of their life, then accelerate them into the work force at 30 if they choose to do so. Allow them to enter and catch up in companies. University should be banned for everyone under the age of 30, there are so many reasons why this would be beneficial A SIGNIFICANT quantity of 18 year olds have 0 clue what they want to do with their life, let alone what they want to spend a ton of money getting a degree in. This whole thing stemmed from treating men and women the same and shoving them into education paths that worked fine for men, but fundamentally do not function for women due to the biological reality of their gender.

[@emeraldspark8794]

@@koy540 In the end it is a choice. Even if you banned women from education why would make them have a child? Those who want to have children or are financially ready to have children will have them. You don't need secondary education to get a job or have a career. Banning secondary schooling for girls will just create resentment and make it harder for women financially which could cause fewer kids.

[@koy540]

@emeraldspark8794 well i believe my argument was banning everyone from college until 30. Not just women. But I am glad you emphasized choice. When do women pay for their choice to not have kids? They are externalitizing the cost of their choice on the rest of society. "What do you mean cost?" You might shortsideldly ask. Well, how about the complete collapse of society that is currently happening. Our population is about to start falling incredibly fast. Our entire world economy is set to implode in a few decades do to the choices of women. This attack on the human species these hedonistic women are perpetrating deserves a punishment. I purpose any woman able to have kids that fails to have 2 children should be banned from voting and owning property.

[@deckhead33]

You prioritise what you want in life. If women wanted children they would have them in their prime. The women who leave it too late clearly are undecided so don’t think are too bothered when they end up not having kids.

[@LucareonVee]

@@koy540 In other words, you can’t accept that the way we’ve set up our society is fundamentally flawed as it requires us to constantly grow the population instead of keeping it steady. As a result, too many people are now on the earth and we’re killing the environment. So, as of now, it seems the choice is between a massive population drop now, or a total population drop within the next 50 years. That’s the future you’re giving your children. 😋

[@HInc7647]

I know so many people with kids - it doesn’t feel like there is a problem at all. The schools are full - doesn’t seem like this is having an impact all all yet in the UK.

[@JJ-te2pi]

Thats because of the false impression of immigration. Its artificially changed the situation for a few decades.

[@lasalleman6792]

The human race could simply disappear. But, extinction is common in the Earth's history. Something to consider.

[@LaboriousCretin]

Good talk on the subject. Along with population replacement and matting migration and governments panicking about social support systems and funding. Some countries have similar problems and others unique problems from the society. Small armies of single men and women in countries. A lot of left behind and bias imprinted. STD rates contribute a little to infertility rates and birth complications. But the big thing is a lot of females are sold on things like saving eggs which has a low viability rate. I'm not sure most of them know about prime birthing age or even if they want kids. A few kicker compounding things with a range of statistics pointing to things.

[@erikaannabosnyak9307]

This is such a controversary topic. We are told that there are not enough children but we are dealing with overpopulation, societies struggle to house people and unemployment is on the rise, the environment can't cope longer with us. Natural scientists keep telling for decades that there are too many people on Earth and nature suffers. So where is the truth?

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Choose : Civilization? Or Fertility? You can't have both.

[@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800]

You don’t have a civilization without children. This “choice” makes no sense.

[@aikighost]

you cant have a civilisation without people.

[@kasikwagoma6740]

In aftican society to not have a child can be very isolating for any woman. Even a highly educated African woman knows that if she doesn't have any children the husband will marry another wife or father children outside. To be unmarried in African society for a woman is a big headache, even married women avoid friendship with you in case you snatch their husband. So no sane African woman can afford to refuse to have children, you are treated as an outcast and the most vicious attacks come from fellow women. So this declining birth rate cannot apply to Africa, it can never happen,i am an African I know what I am saying. I saw what happened to my auntie, it was so sad...

[@Prometheus100110]

It will happen in Africa. I'm from west Africa. Birth rates are pegged to women. However, the issue now is those women will not find males that want them. Risk reward has changed.

[@DIABOLICAL-6]

50 years ago they were 7.1 or something like that. Now they are about 4. Its happening. Welcome to being increasingly developed.

[@libbychang413]

the wolves are getting POed bcos the sheep arent coming to dinner...

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Dear Mr Shaw Study the fertility rates in Central Africa. Birth Glut.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

Regardless. They are part of the downward trend.

[@mbr5270]

Watch the documentary and he says that is the ONE place that is still growing.

[@ShelleyinBoston]

This is already happening in the UK

[@julianskinner3697]

Those is good. We might be able to survive climate change.

[@tchai91]

No it isn’t. Assuming at some point Net Zero will be abandoned in favour of more effective measures (such as proper flood defences, relocation initiatives, building in newly temperate areas, air conditioning etc), we will need tax receipts to pay for those measures. Fewer people, lower tax receipts.