Stephen J Shaw: The surprising truth about world fertility rates | The InnerView

For centuries, the global population has been increasing at a steady rate, but in recent decades, the fertility rates of many nations have taken a downturn. One man believes this “Birthgap” could spell disaster for societies. On a new episode of The InnerView, Imran Garda explores the causes and consequences of the global baby bust with insights from esteemed data scientist, filmmaker and demographer Stephen J Shaw.
Photo courtesy of Taylor O’Sullivan
00:00 Intro
02:00 Reluctant prophet of doom
04:03 What is the birthgap?
04:40 Are we all victims of our own civilization?
05:26 Why more women are deciding not to have kids
07:08 Cambridge University cancels Shaw
11:20 Antinatalism
13:14 Understanding population stagnation
15:14 Geographical variations in fertility
16:55 Can immigration solve the demographic problem?
17:45 State campaigns to encourage pregnancy
19:20 Unplanned childlessness
21:21 How the birthgap affects our future
22:23 The narrow fertility window
25:12 Making his documentary
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[@user-uf1uq4yn1q]

Higher living cost, lower salary. How can you support a family and children? Staying single childless sounds logical.

[@catctus9508]

I'm an investor. I'm freedom financial. I'm lazy to get a wife. Buy sexworker is better option because I'm lazy to provide and protect a wife and kids. It's so tired when I think about family. Nowadays Stay single is better than the past. Nowadays women can get a job and protect themself why you have to get more accountable and responsible.

[@theragoooverlord5021]

It's not right though.

[@thyeconomy]

Go into the wild and become a God.

[@potato1084]

@@catctus9508I’m all for people making their own decisions about their life but wow you sound depressing 😅

[@potato1084]

Single is more expensive though. It’s much easier to have a partner and you both contribute to the expensive rents. I’m a young parent and luckily my partner and I don’t pay rent yet (living with family). I don’t really recommend it. 😂😂

[@katiez688]

How can people have kids first and then start a career???? How are people going to pay for all their living expenses, childcare expenses, education expenses, if they aren’t working? Does he think money falls out of the sky?

[@CyesH-we6oo]

He is explaining that, as a society, we didn't take into account that fertility has a limited window and our current expectations are not sustainable or realistic. (just to point out, 80% of childless individuals are childless due to circumstance and not by choice.) He is simply bringing awareness to the situation before it becomes so bad that having a career will be the least of your worries or not even possible. The current trend of depopulation isn't a slow decline, it will fall off a cliff (careers will go with it too). We need to seriously find a solution to this and think about it deeply.

[@chriswatson1698]

Nobody wants to employ a 40 year old beginner, even if she has a degree. They want work experience which you can't get caring for a child and doing housework.

[@mariehatcher8176]

​@@chriswatson1698no but why can't we employ 30 year old beginners and have children in our 20's when fertility is at it's highest. After all most of us will be working well into our 70's. So even in your 30's you still have 40 good working years ahead of you.

[@Jean-qn4fy]

​​@@chriswatson1698The vast majority of people, with and without degrees, have jobs. They don't have engrossing careers. They don't have "callings" (unless they become priests or nuns). They just have jobs. Your lifetime satisfaction will not come from your job. It will come from your human relationships, from your family. That's true for both men and women.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@Jean-qn4fy Raising a family without money isn't any fun, especially when all the responsibility for the care of children falls on a single person.

[@Deathscroll41]

It's funny how wealthy people see it coming but are doing nothing to make living more affordable. Most don't want a family in an unaffordable and unsustainable environment.

[@homergee3381]

Money = Rights, Take our rights, we can't control that but you won't enslave our children.

[@cristianm7097]

Correct ! No reason to produce the next generation of slaves.

[@dragosfrangu]

Housing, child care and health care should be way cheaper in my opinion.

[@lilianab4756]

Absolutely!❤

[@chriswatson1698]

Why should child care workers be paid less than anyone else?

[@db6881]

​@chriswatson1698 We're already paid nothing, hence why so many of us are leaving the occupation.

[@castirondude]

The issue is in over-regulation/bureaucracy. That's why the service is expensive even though the people actually providing the service still earn almost nothing.

[@high-d8872]

Austrian here, we have 4 children, (1 is severly mentally handicapped), and we talk a lot about all this. As I Learned that Most of my childhood friends have no kids i was shocked. I am 42 my kids are 23, 20, 15 and 12. I hope at least one will have kids.😢 We had no money with the small kids, all our friends had shiny things and holidays, and we were at home caring for sick kids. Howcan a new car or a new phone or a job be more important than family. 😢 Its bad

[@fi-train8961]

Why do you hope people have kids? If someone wants kids great but for many people work is more demanding, cost of living is high, requirements of education are high, and there are no strong incentivise to have kids. In fact, not having kids means more disposable income, less stress and more autonomy. You’ll have to make a really good case for parenthood in my opinion otherwise only those who really want to experience it or those that have accidents will. Good day

[@herbayum76]

Its not so much the material things but also the time and energy both work and children demand that frightens people...maybe you just can manage but what if there's a disruption one way or the other...its a dilemma...i admire the couples that are daring enough..

[@patcartier8171]

People who choose not to have kids do not prefer the new car or the new phone. We prefer opting out of parenthood. Not living as a family is our aim, time is our wealth - additional consumption is just a bonus, nothing more than a side effect.

[@KT-ey3lh]

As a childless person who moved up in the socioeconomic ladder when I started working, I'm just beginning to experience the benefits of this status I no longer have to deal with clothes/shoes that disintegrate after half a year I no longer have to deal with phones that get cranky after a yr I don't have to worry if I have the means to buy everything on the doctor's medicine prescription Being on a higher economic ladder enables a person to build a better credit score which means lower interest rates in the future when buying a house/car Descending to a lower economic status is something I can't afford because I'm witnessing how the quality of the 'affordable' things my family used to buy when I was young is becoming worse over the years while its price is becoming less affordable

[@Cocoisagordonsetter]

Why did you have 4 in Austria? I am from an American subculture and I had 3, but it was a religious purpose/belief. 4 is a bunch in Europe. Also, having a severely handicapped child is one of life's biggest challenges. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@MACGYVER7400]

Everyone talks about climate change, so it might be good when there are less humans. From my perspective I don't feel lonely but free.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Because AGW is a real massive harm and threat. That is why people SHOULD talk about it and act to reverse it.

[@trevorsebastian1341]

Having to compete for housing with childless, double income couples is causing housing costs to skyrocket, further disincentivizing couples that would’ve had children with a single income. Or, if your single and a millennial or gen z, your going to have to room with 3 roommates to afford a crappy place. Of course your not going to afford to marry and have kids in that situation.

[@azmodanpc]

How are childfree couples impairing family creation and housing affordability? They have to pay the same astronomical amount of money for housing. It's not like they get a discount if they don't have kids. Even with two incomes they are struggling to pay rent or mortgage. Here in Europe, couples get thousands of Euros a year if you have children

[@trevorsebastian1341]

@@azmodanpc hmm I’m not sure about families with multiple children. But I was just saying being a childless couple even on modest incomes the people can afford luxuries that’s why the luxury market is booming even as fertility rates plummet. At least here in the US I don’t think there’s too many benefits to having kids at least not that I’m aware of.

[@aysepersona4194]

It is because childless couples can keep the extra cash and push into the housing market, whereas couples with children who have naturally more expenses and actually need the space have to spend a lot into their children, making them compete with a very different and more rich group.

[@azmodanpc]

@@aysepersona4194 Childfree couples may need less space to live than couples with children. Those houses are already too small for them. If I'm childfree and looking for a house, I would rather buy a cheaper, smaller house.

[@aysepersona4194]

@@azmodanpc unfortunately, the statistics show, that this is rather not holding true. Childless couples orient their square footage around their BUDGET, not their space needs. This holds true for most people in most situations.

[@ohioskane363]

Let the economic systems collapse. A new system can be created. Better than letting the ecosystem collapse where there is no do-over.

[@clipkut4979]

If people are cash and time-poor (because they have to work A LOT to meet their basic human needs), they won't have kids. No one wants to have kids just to see them suffer or not have time to see them at all. Unfortunately under our current economic system, we squeezed the working and middle class to the point where they can barely look after themselves, and have no spare resources to look after someone else. We can't fix birth rates if we don't fix capitalism and wealth hoarding first.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Duh. Obviously

[@sarahkareem1251]

The rise in infertility is to do with the modern lifestyle we are living. Processed foods, less exercise, sedentary lifestyles, instant foods, over working which leads to more stress. Chemicals in the food, air and water that gets into our system and messes our hormones. Also both men and women are too busy pursuing their career rather than coming together and raising a family in a traditional environment where the father manages the income and the mother manages the home.

[@Ari.B.47]

Absolutely spot on! Some of those factors lead to obesity. And it's no surprise that both obesity and infertility are rising.

[@sarahkareem1251]

@@Ari.B.47 Yes, obesity reduces fertility in both men and women. Unfortunately obesity is being promoted under the guise of "body positivity".

[@zebrafinch12]

Traditional marriage? Interesting term

[@secretsecret1713]

Yeah yeah let's again blame drugs for making drug addicts

[@fpxpGetReal]

Look up Hans Rosling a brilliant statistician .

[@patcartier8171]

Not enough attention has been paid to the role of airlines in birth decline. Allowing them to travel on planes among other passengers, rather than in spaces reserved for them, has done a great deal of damage to the reputation of children..

[@pinchebruha405]

Heck are you kidding they did more to show us how many lowlifes are among us 😢 makes me feel like I’m drowning in the stupidity and grossness of humans at their worst 😅

[@meixo9083]

lol

[@piedradesechada]

😂😂

[@bribri1657]

There's no incentive to have the kids unless the government's going to pay a lot of money for each one. I'm all about supply and demand.

[@skylinefever]

This is why welfare users are often the only ones with a net positive birth rate.

[@evilds3261]

Exactly. If those in power aren't willing to make sacrifices for our betterment, why should we be expected to sacrifice for them?

[@garbagecanplay]

The incentive I need is to be able to buy a house and survive on 1.5 incomes. I'm sad to not be able to have a kid but the reality is just not feasible the way things are.

[@meixo9083]

why do zoo animals hardly reproduce?

[@Caligirl1977]

They are saying that women who want kids should prioritize family but why should we do this when it’s not beneficial to us? Why should women sign up for a life of hardship and financial struggle for the greater good of the world in a world that’s not prioritizing making child bearing more desirable to us?

[@jayc342009]

I'm a man and i personally refuse to have kids because i hate the system we live under, where a tiny percentage of greedy, sadistic people own the majority of the wealth.

[@mbr5270]

Tell us later how your ‘Me first’ attitude has made your life better. I will be curious…

[@antinatalistwitch111]

​@@mbr5270men has always had their me first attitudes. So what?

[@lilyann168]

Did this guy really just say we should deprioritize education. Oh my god, the idiocracy.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

I know, right?!

[@piedradesechada]

Is education your god?

[@Cocoisagordonsetter]

If by education then you mean EXTENSIVE time in higher ed, then duh. Do you really think you're going to achieve some nirvana with (your?) higher ed? I am multilingual college educated person and I've stayed home with my kids and lol I own a library card and a computer. My husband has a PhD in engineering too.

[@brunocar9758]

I do not want to have a child.

[@linmal2242]

Less people means more room for other species, which are increasingly at risk from our societies. The Natural World needs more room with less of us and more space for them!

[@geeem7889]

Its not just the career part, its the cost of living! But the 2 are interconnected because due to the higher cost of living ppl feel the need to prioritize career so that they can make enough money to live. How can one even think about having kids if on 2 incomes sometimes ppl still struggle to stay afloat? Rent and housing costs have increased exponentially. In Toronto, a 1 bedroom apartment is now $2000 or over, depending on where you live. That's half or more than half of someone's income in a lot of cases. If you have kids you need more space. Not to mention cost of food...cost of everything has gone up. So yeah, i dont see this get better any time soon. Make it affordable to live comfortably on 1 income..maybe then things will improve.

[@danieldpa8484]

Nobody needs more people, the world was fine with 200 million in year “0”, it will be fine again. It’s the transition that is painful, but basically it’s a problem of billionaires who don’t want markets to shrink. Cry me a river.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

EXACTLY!

[@maxpeck4154]

This

[@mikey2348]

They aren't afraid of the decline, its who is declining that bothers them.

[@lenastle8764]

The trillionaires funded the conditions to encourage this. A lot of billionaires are on board as well. They intend to replace the low IQ masses with Ai and robots. They just need a controllable select few for breeding and creativity. The species might actually be better for it if Ai doesn’t get out of control.

[@pincopallino8176]

Exactly. I don't see the issue. And if the government wouldn't steal all our money, we would be able to support the older generation just fine.

[@bazooextreme167]

I grew up broke, I don’t want my child to have the same life that I had. The living costs are huge, if you don’t make at least 150k please DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN

[@cristianm7097]

150k $ in US ?

[@joyceonthego8317]

@@cristianm7097 Yup! I believe we do.

[@gonza8824]

no jobs, no economical stability big important factors for not having children and no kindergartens, not enough, .. or too expensive!! no cooperation of men in domestic work!! very important... no cooperation of men in the house.

[@jayc342009]

And of course, you blame men...typical women. No accountability, always the mans fault.

[@user-ly9wr8wj5s]

If rich people hate it, it's a great thing.

[@chriswatson1698]

Mothers are penniless. Another person controls the means by which she satisfies her own needs and that of her children When a woman does most of the child care, or takes time off work when her children need adult attention, she is investing in the earning power of that child's father at the expense of her own. She must have a well established career of her own to be secure, because the father of her children is free to abandon her at any time and halve her living standard, on no grounds at all. Then the years of investment that she has made in supporting her husband's career, will go to benefit another woman, probably younger and with a career.

[@HInc7647]

Omg this!!

[@blueamenaa749]

The truth.

[@krbyp8092]

💯💯💯

[@castirondude]

Men are saying the same thing. Why work just to lose it all in a divorce.

[@axl8653]

Fundamentally correct and beautifully said.

[@totwallybaba]

I think there is a boycott against marriage and dating long term at the moment. This and none of the reasons for it were stated in the video. Divorce courts, excessive child support, alimony and debtors prison are the main reasons why men have stepped away. Men are a resource that have a vote in the matter. They vote it isn't worth changing a castle into a semi-private residence when they cohabitate.

[@Rowlph8888]

You are right, but These reasons can't be the worst problem, otherwise why do all asian countries have much worse birth rates(KZbin Videos everywhere show they don't have Western Toxic feminism), And Third World countries have got the same Drop over Time , having more children than the West, but more of whom will die young and due to having a worse Infannt Mortality rate and standaard off livinng.They don't have the same issues, that you describe. I think thea Fertility of Both men and women have declined substantially

[@randyjones3050]

Everything about our society has been artificially engineered from the top down to discourage people from having kids. Now we are going to be forced to deal with the catastrophic social consequences of this idiotic social engineering.

[@whitneyanders5945]

Men need marriage and don’t like being alone. Just look up the countless studies that prove this.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

"I think there is a boycott against marriage and dating long term at the moment." Where? When?

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

No such BS as "Western toxic feminism". That is just alarmist crap created by media to silence feminists@@Rowlph8888

[@suzrau]

Workers will not be needed to teach and care for children because of the lower birthrate so they will be employed looking after the elderly. Funds not needed for children will be redirected to the elderly. Childcare is extremely expensive and who wants to bring children into a world that is failing to deal with climate change?

[@pce12345]

💯

[@shumoon1]

And eldercare isn't expensive?🤔

[@joyceonthego8317]

Make that a world that is failing at lots more than climate change!

[@thetiredcynic]

Yes woman should stop working and put themselves at the mercy of a husband who could at any time leave her to care for the child herself. Yeah, hard pass. No kids is better than having kids+abusive/absent husband+economic and emotional and physical and psychological struggles. Men on the other hand can literally just pump and disappear and no one cares. So unfair.

[@marleyofficialmedia]

🙌

[@potter5647]

whats your opinion on Stop Having Kids community?

[@jayc342009]

Women file for divorce a lot more than men do, so it's women who are breaking up their own families more than men are. Oh but we don't like holding women accountable do we? It's always the nasty men's fault isn't it?

[@MTHistoryBuff]

Childrearing still predominantly falls on women and unduly burdens them in so many facets. People should not be surprised that there is an increase in Child-Free people. Let the world reset. The model of having more children than an aged population is not sustainable in the current world with people living increasingly longer.

[@marty9011]

I am the mother of 4 children & have never felt burdened. Instead, I feel useful & worthwhile & I don't think you necessarily feel this in a job.

[@JJ-te2pi]

I think the biggest burden is a life fill of obsession with climbing the corporate ladder.

[@savagesweetheart90]

@@marty9011 Different strokes for different folks. It might work for you but be a burden to others. Live and let live.

[@Prometheus100110]

You have to find a man that wants you first. By the time most women want kids, men are now just checking out. It's no longer worth the risk. Men and women are choosing loneliness over the other and procreating.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@marty9011 Suppose that your husband discovers an interest in a younger, childless woman, perhaps with a career Then you will have to support yourself, do all the household chores and pay all the expenses yourself.

[@sharegreats2157]

It is clear that pensions and retirement payments have to be cut down.

[@azmodanpc]

Yep, and starting with GenXers, it's going to be hell. Baby Boomers and Silent Generation had it good. Now Baby Boomers are retiring en masse and enjoying the last gasps of capitalism. A new system will be created in order to prevent a collapse.

[@shizuokaBLUES]

Disagree. Corporate tax and tax on the 1% have to be raised and raised high to support pensions and retirement

[@pce12345]

Why?

[@stillnotmyname1935]

No the governments need to decided to spend less on their war budgets. The money is there it's a problem of allocation.

[@joyceonthego8317]

No way! Don't force the elderly to live in poverty. Don't be cruel to the elders in society. Being elderly is not a crime!

[@nodaklojack]

Too few babies or are the elderly not dying off fast enough?

[@tanler7953]

That's the issue, isn't it? World population growth was a sign of success. It means we have better science, better health care and more food. But I don't agree with Shaw when he says everyone should have a choice to have kids or not. That's how we ended up in this situation, i.e. overpopulation in terms of resources. I worked for almost fifty years in a stressful job. Now that I am retired it is the first time in my life that I feel that life is worth living.

[@jorda_n_]

If I can’t afford a house and Expect for it to raise in value so I can make financial gains from said house how would I expect my made up children to afford the current trend?

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Taboo subject : The correlation between intelligence and fertility.

[@skylinefever]

Brawndo's got electrolytes! Welcome to Costco, I love you.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

We know. Everyone sees it nobody says it.

[@andeidan]

Look at a population evolution graph, it has shot up in the last two centuries with an incredible speed, what we see now is the correction that follows such an growth . The incredible growth of population has been a very good thing for the capitalist system but very bad for the workforce now there is going to balance out a bit, I see no reason to be worried about.

[@ssark9187]

The truth is Wolves will start to worry if the sheeps stopped making babies. Don't you agree. This is exactly what's happening here. The Government or the industries don't give a dam about Men. They don't care about our happiness or our rights. But they do need us to keep the system running. That's the only value we men have for them.

[@_whatchamacallit]

100% correct!!!! Correcting what the Boomers did.

[@whitneyanders5945]

Also extremely bad for the environment and the other sentient beings we share the planet with. It’s sad that not many consider all the other wonderful species that humans negatively impact when taking about population.

[@silviueugen4069]

Bruh all of u still sleeping, if just one generation doesnrt make enough children to stagnate the number of the population in a country, in just 30 years the economy of the country will colapse also the population that will become mothers and father will decline which also means they will have to support all eldery

[@andeidan]

@@silviueugen4069 can you explain why an economy will stagnate if population number decreases, keeping in mind that quality is more imprtant thant quantity, also do you think that ever increasing number of people is allways a good thing, can you prove your point using Bangladesh as a reference for a country with a higher TFR?

[@timmychonga4901]

It's an illusion of choice. Growing government with extra taxes, going off the gold standard in 1971 all has led to the shrinking of family's. The children watched their mothers juggle the work and home life seeing their struggle. They observed and learned that it's not only hard it's impossible to give a 100% to both. Government is the problem not the solution, taxes and worthless dollar keeps us enslaved chasing an illusion of worth. Young people are seeing having children as providing another slave to the government corporation, unless they find or are able to break out of the monetary matrix children will be a burden instead of a blessing.

[@blueamenaa749]

You re stating the truth.

[@shumoon1]

You blamed everything BUT better access to birth control methods! 😊The Pill is 1000 times more important to population decline than the gold standard.

[@milantomich6568]

But never make accountable billionaires who are raping this planet and people and they did all this in the end.

[@brokengimp5617]

If he was a female speaker or identifies as non-binary they probably wouldn't have canceled. I'm not joking, I'm seeing this more often.

[@nolwino]

In my opinion, the reason for cancellation was a fear of the far-right to weaponize his presentation against womens rights and freedoms. And use of this material by the far-right to further oppress women. (edit)This would be very different pre Dobbs.

[@brokengimp5617]

I didn't think of that, thanks m8.@@nolwino

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Explain why I, an American Green, Antinatalist, Vegan am constantly BLOCKED on KZbin for 24 hours for no reason.

[@user-cw9kc1ls7w]

When emotive words such as 'frightening' are used, then there absolutely is a bias, if not an agenda. It is one thing to report that countries are below replacement level, it is another to make a judgement call on that. Quite apart from which, unless you think that we can grow forever, then sub-replacement and a birth gap is a mathematical requirement at some point anyway. The question is how it is to be managed.

[@bobsontheepic42]

Numbers in some coutries are frightening. It's not just population decline but collapse. Fertility rate in South Korea is so low and declines so fast that if the trend continues the Fertility rate in about 25 years might be virtually zero. China alone will lose more people by the of this century then all the people living in South America. Nobody knows how to turn Fertility rates back up. Scandinavian coutries have generous benefits and are still Below replacement and dropping.

[@user-cw9kc1ls7w]

@@bobsontheepic42 Numbers are not frightening, they are just numbers. It's whether an individual chooses to be alarmed. Just as some people are alarmed by declines, others are more alarmed by the increases that we've had. It's the bias of whoever makes the programme as to which side they take.

[@LucareonVee]

@@bobsontheepic42 The rates shouldn’t increase until we’re lower than 4 billion people on the planet.

[@myungjooraekim4435]

@@user-cw9kc1ls7w Japan will have a third of its population in 20 years, Italy will be not Italian anymore in 30 years and South Koreans will go extinct in 90. Yeah good luck with your ideal world.

[@fpxpGetReal]

Hans Rosling was talking about this topic including the present forecast away back in the 70s and 80 s.Oops commented too soon 🤷🏽‍♂️😂

[@sillyman382]

So what. it's about quality over quantity. 1950s population level was so dire?

[@revoroad1789]

No, there are too many people on the planet. Every single ecosystem on earth is struggling. From forests (rainforests in particular that harbour so much eco-diversity) to insects - homosapiens have caused rapidly deminishing numbers and diversity.

[@potter5647]

having kids is selfish

[@wish1333]

Do you have an any idea about the love and having family ? No?

[@potter5647]

its all just chemicals in your brain, love is not real @@wish1333

[@donz0621]

Family doesn't always equate to children. Siblings can be family too. Aunt and Uncle, grandparents, adopted, godparents, cousins, niece, nephew. Not having kids doesn't mean not being loved by another person and to not love in return.

[@thetiredcynic]

Why would women want to choose the"difficult" route that is to work for their own living instead of relying on a husband and building a family? Hmmm I wonder why... But hey no over ever listens because it's just women's problems so why should women care?

[@marleyofficialmedia]

🎯💯

[@savagesweetheart90]

Also, didn't their precious housewives start the feminist movement that they hate so much?

[@jayc342009]

The birth rates falling isn't just about women, we have an increasing population of men who are not having families either.

[@danieldpa8484]

The truth is, it’s unaffordable to have children, it’s impossible to find a good woman, and it’s too risky for a man to have a family.

[@gabrielledegroot4364]

I know a few good single women who are stable and financially responsible. They are looking but hate online dating.

[@sugarwaterpurple5280]

You'd have to be a good man. Most men are not that. And women are no longer interested in being married single moms.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

And many women say it is impossible to find a good man.

[@jayc342009]

@@theultimatereductionist7592 because what women define as a "good man" is unrealistic. Over 6 foot, 6 figure income etc.

[@dr.brennstab2201]

Maybe people finally realize that life is a curse, not a gift.

[@db6881]

Especially in this world.

[@didforlove]

@@db6881 things out of balance right now for sure

[@mayy9685]

Finally someone said what no one wants to say.

[@mayy9685]

@@db6881not in any world. Even the best life is to much suffering.. watching ur loved ones die , things always changing , and living through your mortality watching urself grow old is a horrific concept and punishment if u ask me

[@MakeMoney-zh7uc]

Those in power made us come to that conclusion,i think the "leaders" of todays world need to feel the lack of slaves in order for things to change !

[@matthewmarkjohnson]

Had a vasectomy at 26. Now 43.Still the best decision of my life. There's no end to children who are already here who need our help. Plenty of parenting opportunities and a chance to make family. I made this decision because I felt the future was bleak and there is nothing that special about my DNA. There are lots of single mums out there. I voted with my DNA (and you only get one vote that matters... call it a "referendum on the system"). I will not breed for the capitalist machine.

[@sweden_is_gone]

Not breed for the capitalist machine! 👍 Great way to put it. I myself consume as little as possible and therefore I'm able to work as little as possible. Don't need a lot of money and a comfortable life here in Sweden actually doesn't have to be expensive. I don't wanna make others rich with my work and consumption.

[@MichaelSchilderner]

I think in the (near) future many countries will force people to have children, if in-vitro fertilization (managed by the goverment) does not work. There already ideas in China and Poland. Poland did ban abortion. Some other countries try to make vasectomy more difficult. In my country you have to be over 25 years old to be allowed to do that.

[@eirikbelisarius1100]

@@sweden_is_gone That's what important to you? Not making other people rich? You got a free education, and now you want to work as little as possible, pay as little as possible in tax and pull the ladder up behind you? When you are old you want to live in a home for elderly and let other taxpayers pay for it with their work...

[@sweden_is_gone]

@@eirikbelisarius1100 Yep. That's about it. It sounds an awful lot like you wanna force me to work and consume more. You object to my freedom. 👍😉

[@lilyann168]

​@MichaelSchilderner they tried that in Romania in the 80s.

[@judedecruz53]

We can say that young people should have children to replace the elderly and dying!!!! But have they really thought about how they are going to feed the whole world if some of those countries can't produce much or any food in the future

[@brokengimp5617]

Immigration is a band-aid solution for the issue, not to mention immigrants are always treated poorly

[@Hoshep22]

some humans have been shamed out of having children during healthy childbearing years and forced to "wait" until they are "mature" which doesnt coinside with natures clock. nature says 15 - 30 is th height of fertility for women. Yes 15 years old women should start then. cry me a river. millions, millions pon millions were born to 16 year olds. stop judging and start supporting famiies.

[@piedradesechada]

I agree!

[@dashabaranova681]

What I see many people don't understand (and we can see it in the comments) is that fertile age for women is not equal to the time when they have menstruation in their life. Data shows that while the probability of having conception is high starting from ~15 (start of the cycles, number is approximate) it starts declining a little bit after ~25 years. And while this probability is still high on average at the age of 30, but starting from age 35 the decline of a probability of conceiving can be rather described as a sharp fall. It is average and normal. So while the menopause comes after 45 for most of the women, there are almost no chances to have kids after 40 (without IVF and preferably frozen eggs). And of cause there are some lucky individuals to whom this general statistics doesn't apply, but the number of them is very very small. So if an average woman discovers that she has problems conceiving at the age 36 the problems can be attributed to a normative decline in fertility and not to any specific health problems (due to diet, air pollution or anything else as suggested in some comments). The generation of our grand moms had the same pattern in fertility, but they were not interested in having child at 36 (it's a random example) cause they already had 3 kids by the time they were 30. And unfortunately IVF is no magic wand. It certainly increases the chances of having kids if there are problems with natural conceiving, but the effectiveness again tightly correlates with the woman's age. On the other hand men have an illusion that they can catch up after 40 because they don't have the problem of menopause at all. But hard truth is that while theoretical possibility is there, only very few successful man will be able to find someone in a fertile age as a potential mother of their child. Vast majority of those childless men after 40 will remain childless. But everyone tends to forget about men.

[@gonza8824]

only in developed countries, in underdeveloped countries women get pregnant even at 50!!

[@carmenricard3332]

Please provide your sources or none of the above counts.

[@dashabaranova681]

@@carmenricard3332 to those interested I would suggest to search in google "women's fertility with age" and "women's fertility with age research". Quite reliable sources can be found right on the first page of the search results. On IVF success rate one can search for example for "IVF success rate Uk for 2019" (this is the year I checked). A good overview of all the data available on this topic is given in a lecture on youtube "What every woman (and man) should know about the reproductive years". I really don't have any secret sources, all the data is widely available.

[@Volcorom]

@@carmenricard3332 Do a quick search about the topic and you will see that her statement is correct. She doesn't have to write a paper here on KZbin to make her point.

[@LucareonVee]

This is why I’m happy that I’m a man. People aren’t politicizing my body, even though I’m 40 and staunchly childfree.

[@cestmoifu1406]

Women dont want to be tied down with children. They want to live their lives.

[@piedradesechada]

You can live your life with your children!

[@antinatalistwitch111]

​@@piedradesechadano. 😊

[@fpxpGetReal]

Funny how HOLLYWOOD planted the seeds of fear ,Soylent Green ,back in the 70s.

[@mohammadfaraz664]

No need of children we should give birth one child only today's world is expensive and next 30 years we can't afford a rent school college medicals so one child policy is best or make 2 children if enough of best life

[@mokhachoka2918]

No Taqwa.

[@richardouvrier3078]

Cambridge is like Harvard. I would never take a dump on these places of “learning”. They are about propaganda.

[@miriamwells35]

Too many historical factors. WW2 and it’s aftereffects (PTSD etc)was a big one.

[@WiseGrunt89]

Tax breaks to help people have more children is stupid. As someone who wants children taxes are so high i wouldn't afford it. If they gave more support well i would need to pay more taxes and be able to afford it less... Goverment takes over half my money and inflation, cost of living ist just insane.. Then again good luck finding an honest loyalty woman in the age of tinder. There is a reason women defend high bodycounts. They dont want families any more :(

[@jaskarsh]

For all complaining the solution is simple. Husbands are breadwinners wives are homemakers. It worked for thousand of years. And you dont spend money recklessly. In USA people get even phone for a loan. Never ever take loan, always spend cash.

[@geminized]

Predicted more than 50 years ago by John Calhoun's experiments with mices "universe 25"

[@LucareonVee]

If you think we’re living in a utopia, then you must be a billionaire.

[@LaboriousCretin]

Good talk on the subject. Along with population replacement and matting migration and governments panicking about social support systems and funding. Some countries have similar problems and others unique problems from the society. Small armies of single men and women in countries. A lot of left behind and bias imprinted. STD rates contribute a little to infertility rates and birth complications. But the big thing is a lot of females are sold on things like saving eggs which has a low viability rate. I'm not sure most of them know about prime birthing age or even if they want kids. A few kicker compounding things with a range of statistics pointing to things.

[@chinammadath]

It is a very serious issue like climate change. Advance countries like Japan and Italy failed miserably to reverse the shrinking population trend so what about the state of poor developing nations like India. Migration is nothing but a termperary solution. Laborateries are to be set up to produce children in the near future accepting sperm and eggs from healthy intelligent people. Hope China is able to initiate the big step without a delay

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Intelligence has practically nothing to do with genetics. It's all about education and financial and emotional and physical support once you're born.

[@tanler7953]

High birth rate in Israel. But it goes with an "us-against-the-world" mentality.

[@Adam-gq4lt]

Women are more concerned about careers, money, and security than having children and a family. Then it's too late because they are too old to be having children. The demographics now is that everywhere you go seniors and elderly people.

[@koy540]

Education of women, at least in the current way we are doing it, is a species ending development. Cross culturally it is being demonstrated. Maybe the alternative is to shift education for women to only ages 0-12 or 14, and for men ages 0-14 to 18 educate men. If you look at the current pattern of 0-21+ for both genders and compare that to the fertility window for women starting at about 12-30 which is 18 years of safe reproduction. With current education patterns we are eating into 9 years of that window, and even worse we are eating into those years by placing women in environments where child bearing is reinforced to be a failure and that cultural reinforcement doesn't fade quickly once they are out of those environments. And that is even before we start talking about further education towards masters/phds which is another 4-8 years cutting into woman's fertility windows. We to rethink how we usher women into working adulthood. Honestly I don't think women should be incentivized to work during this period of their life, then accelerate them into the work force at 30 if they choose to do so. Allow them to enter and catch up in companies. University should be banned for everyone under the age of 30, there are so many reasons why this would be beneficial A SIGNIFICANT quantity of 18 year olds have 0 clue what they want to do with their life, let alone what they want to spend a ton of money getting a degree in. This whole thing stemmed from treating men and women the same and shoving them into education paths that worked fine for men, but fundamentally do not function for women due to the biological reality of their gender.

[@emeraldspark8794]

@@koy540 In the end it is a choice. Even if you banned women from education why would make them have a child? Those who want to have children or are financially ready to have children will have them. You don't need secondary education to get a job or have a career. Banning secondary schooling for girls will just create resentment and make it harder for women financially which could cause fewer kids.

[@koy540]

@emeraldspark8794 well i believe my argument was banning everyone from college until 30. Not just women. But I am glad you emphasized choice. When do women pay for their choice to not have kids? They are externalitizing the cost of their choice on the rest of society. "What do you mean cost?" You might shortsideldly ask. Well, how about the complete collapse of society that is currently happening. Our population is about to start falling incredibly fast. Our entire world economy is set to implode in a few decades do to the choices of women. This attack on the human species these hedonistic women are perpetrating deserves a punishment. I purpose any woman able to have kids that fails to have 2 children should be banned from voting and owning property.

[@deckhead33]

You prioritise what you want in life. If women wanted children they would have them in their prime. The women who leave it too late clearly are undecided so don’t think are too bothered when they end up not having kids.

[@LucareonVee]

@@koy540 In other words, you can’t accept that the way we’ve set up our society is fundamentally flawed as it requires us to constantly grow the population instead of keeping it steady. As a result, too many people are now on the earth and we’re killing the environment. So, as of now, it seems the choice is between a massive population drop now, or a total population drop within the next 50 years. That’s the future you’re giving your children. 😋

[@shahidbasha100]

Depopulation measures had made this disaster

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Choose : Intelligence? Or Fertility? You can't have both.

[@atheerlaso1750]

Do seriously think that people with no kids are on average smarter just look at these femenists and tell me if they have any grasp on reality

[@maam-yj8ph]

​@@atheerlaso1750why then should we be pressuring feminists to procreate if they are so stupid and out of touch? Make it make sense.

[@JJ-te2pi]

You can have both. This isnutter nonsense.

[@Ruth-os4mi]

@@JJ-te2pi I wish it were nonsense, unfortunately reality doesn't bear this out. Show me a high fertility, high IQ African nation.

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Dear Mr Shaw Study the fertility rates in Central Africa. Birth Glut.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

Regardless. They are part of the downward trend.

[@mbr5270]

Watch the documentary and he says that is the ONE place that is still growing.

[@kasikwagoma6740]

In aftican society to not have a child can be very isolating for any woman. Even a highly educated African woman knows that if she doesn't have any children the husband will marry another wife or father children outside. To be unmarried in African society for a woman is a big headache, even married women avoid friendship with you in case you snatch their husband. So no sane African woman can afford to refuse to have children, you are treated as an outcast and the most vicious attacks come from fellow women. So this declining birth rate cannot apply to Africa, it can never happen,i am an African I know what I am saying. I saw what happened to my auntie, it was so sad...

[@Prometheus100110]

It will happen in Africa. I'm from west Africa. Birth rates are pegged to women. However, the issue now is those women will not find males that want them. Risk reward has changed.

[@SonOfMorning]

50 years ago they were 7.1 or something like that. Now they are about 4. Its happening. Welcome to being increasingly developed.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

The Self-Discipline of Veganism I am a hardcore Antinatalist Animal Rights Vegan (AARV). And I tell people to have the DISCIPLINE to GO VEGAN! If you don't have the self-discipline and make the TRIVIALLY INSIGNIFICANT hardship of going vegan, to prevent animals being raised tortured & murdered in factory farms, then YOU HAVE ZERO RIGHT to be lecturing ANYONE ELSE to do or not do anything, whether getting a job or learning a second language or lose weight. Nobody will take you seriously and nobody should take you seriously if YOU ARE NOT A VEGAN - specifically, an AARV! Antinatalist Animal Rights is SPECIFICALLY the rights of animals NOT TO BE FORCIBLY MASS REPRODUCED for our or anyone else's consumption. Veganism is not some trivially unimportant cause like culture or nationalism or anti-vaccination crap.

[@richardsmith2825]

I’m reading the comments on here with growing alarm. I never knew people are worried about this stuff. There are many things to be concerned about people. Human population decrease isn’t one of them. Lagos, yes Lagos is about to become the first 100 million city! Just imagine the sheer horror of that?

[@sugarwaterpurple5280]

They are worried mostly about the white population.

[@joemacdonald6312]

7:08 Very interesting! Is it really the feminist groups that are trying to silence the people who are sounding the alarm bells of the growing worldwide dilemma of lowering fertility rates including childbirth rates? Or, is it some other unseen interest group or party altogether?

[@soulman.9835]

Seems facts are difficult for some to swallow. Don't want to listen until to late for them ?

[@lilianab4756]

Wars😢❤

[@northernbohemianrealist1412]

Have you seen Wisconsin women between 18 and 38? Souuuuweeeeeeeeeee! Cars lean when they get in. Restaurant chairs collapse. They must use elevators one at a time. Their shoes last about a day and a half.

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Choose : Civilization? Or Fertility? You can't have both.

[@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800]

You don’t have a civilization without children. This “choice” makes no sense.

[@aikighost]

you cant have a civilisation without people.

[@PochoNews]

I dig Mr Shaw but I don't share his optimism. Because I really don't think that at this place in time people will learn to communicate, respect, engage and love other people from other countries. Its all about greed. I calculated the 0% Birth Rate Year for the World. I'm not done here's what I got so far. For each country I took the last seven years population drop average and divided it by the last known number. Look to all countries to start hiding this information as it will point to their military weakness and affect UN hand outs. South Korea 2033 United States of America 2037 Japan 2043 Mexico 2069 Guatemala 2042 Canada 2051 Belize 2048 El Salvador 2083 Honduras 2062 Nicaragua 2101 Costa Rica 2045 Panama 2081 Colombia 2081 Ecuador (bwb) 2064 Venezuela 2097 Brazil 2056 Peru 2097 Bolivia 2046 Chile 2074 Argentina 2047 Paraguay 2106 Uraguay 2039 Europe England 2046 Ireland 2040 Portugal 2066 Spain 2061 France 2081 Italy 2061 Belgium 2051 Netherlands 2097 Switzerland 2068 Germany 2096 Denmark 2075 Austria 2092

[@julianskinner3697]

Those is good. We might be able to survive climate change.

[@toasgreece]

People are overrated

[@aftabahmad4665]

First view and first comment too 😊😊

[@josiemystery]

The coral reefs are dying, chemicals everywhere. Too many humans

[@judedecruz53]

Some women find out they unfertile

[@deckhead33]

Men too

[@naturegirl4803]

Reality of today's technological and scientific advanced world where intelligence governs everything and mind lags behind.

[@Victorego]

The problem is selfishness. To have children you need to be able to share your life with your partner, then with your children, working hard for them. Too much selfishness makes this all difficult if not impossible. The individualistic societies have gone too far with the: "me, me, me," culture and, if they don't change, will pay the biggest price: disappear. By the way: I have 3 children and I'm european.

[@n.m6249]

Good for you, I'm from Africa and you are spot on, selfishness of people is biggest cause, those are people who sit in balconies being miserable and watch you walking the dogs with your children. They become bitter and miserable because they never invested in having a family. That's awesome to hear European person with 3 kids. I know less than 5 couples with 3 children in Germany. So you are one of the kind.

[@LucareonVee]

Selfish to whom?

[@Victorego]

@LucareonVee 1) To society: if nobody has children, there's no economy, no society, and no future. 2) To the people that preceded you; your ancestors, millions of years of evolution and procreation stopped. 3) To the children that are not gone be there, but could have been there. Life's that wil not be lived.

[@LucareonVee]

@@Victorego 1: There are over 8 billion people on earth. If that number continues to grow, there won’t be any societies left in the world. 2: The people who preceded me are dead. They have nothing to gain or lose from my decisions about procreation. 3: Hypothetical lives? Really?! Ok, tell me what children are crying about me not having conceived them. What are they saying to you? What are their ambitions? What do they look like? What are their names? I can’t be selfish towards someone who doesn’t exist.

[@skylinefever]

@@Victorego Please record the screams of the non-existent, demanding to be born. Until then, not having children is selfish against the business owners and military commanders seeking wage slaves and cannon fodder.

[@HInc7647]

I know so many people with kids - it doesn’t feel like there is a problem at all. The schools are full - doesn’t seem like this is having an impact all all yet in the UK.

[@JJ-te2pi]

Thats because of the false impression of immigration. Its artificially changed the situation for a few decades.

[@Fle-2870]

We Need Afrika and India To Follow The Lead

[@sharinaross1865]

I agree.

[@deckhead33]

Says someone who can’t even spell Africa properly 😏

[@user-zb2st6zi6j]

They are. Africa is declining in fertility rate, India is already at replacement.

[@user-zb2st6zi6j]

@@deckhead33 Afrika is an acceptable spelling depending on where you are from. Keep in mind that the Internet is Worldwide and not everyone spells the same way you do.

[@patrickduffy2744]

Data can be interpreted in many ways what about Africa they have 7 kids going to add another 2 billion by 2050

[@asnark7115]

Agritech and vaggines!

[@SaniaParvin1010]

I don't understand, what's the point to bring children in when they will die and the world one day will eradicate, everything is gone. And in afterlife, most people would just end up in hell?? so being miserable in this life to the next one. Why bring the pain, just enjoy the short life as we are already born. The world will forever be unfair

[@anthonyc70]

I disagree...Have these expert's been following the migrant situation. Over population Please don't pee on my leg and say it's raining...

[@aysegocer3308]

🎉

[@darthvader5300]

Who will be pushing our wheel chairs when all of us are in wheel chairs? Who will be our care givers when all of us are in retirement home complexes? Who will fix the public utilities and their power cables, water lines, sewage lines? Who will fix that and fix this? Who? Not to forget is who will be the police to maintain law and order? Who will be the soldiers guarding the borders and fighting invaders? Who will be the doctors and nurses to care for us in our old age? Who will be the emergency 1st responders? Who?!

[@ChrisDragotta]

You are overthinking it. It will be a gradual decline. And life ain't that great. And the earth is overheated.

[@darthvader5300]

@@ChrisDragotta You are UNDERTHINKING IN IGNORANCE WESTERNER for any gradual decline will be followed by a DRASTIC COLLAPSE in the most unexpected way that no one has foreseen. Like the old Russian saying, always have a "JUST IN CASE MENTALITY" to create just-in-case plans and accompanied by PROACTIVE PLANS to prevent it from happening. You westerners always ignore the UNEXPECTED VARIABLES that will always remain hidden and will spring up unexpected and catching you all off guard. You underthinking and ignorance of such dangers will be your undoing!

[@Nithinithinith]

India has a growing population. So does Nigeria . Simply open the borders. Also go to the gym so you won’t need a wheelchair.

[@herbayum76]

The only trust i have is technological solutions...also everybody will know how to function in the digital world the coming decades...from that new sources of community will emerge...a revolution of new lifestyles for the elderly is about to emerge...

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

All human beings want 1- good health 2- good relationships 3- good finances Most people struggle with one , two or all of the above . Throw in other factors such as the 4th industrial revolution/ AI displacing workers , inflation , uncertainty, greed and corruption and lack of community and it makes life difficult . More importantly, Many people would like a spiritual path , guidance and a connection to the Creator , but don’t have it. It’s Our consciousness that will make or break this planet 🌍

[@michaelrodriguez3329]

Good coffee too ☕️

[@34ofaninchofbrain80]

I dont think that there is any shortage of people having babies as you can see the world population is growing very fast. I think the problem is in the sort of people that are having babies and the consequences of there exsistance. And that inturn is stopping some people from wanting to have children. There are a lot of complex issues involved in this and unfortunately most of them cannot be altered.

[@bonniec.ddisashi6686]

Africans 2.5 billion 2050

[@funnyvedio249]

2nd comment 😊

[@stanleykubrick8786]

This interviewer is asking all the wrong questions. What a waste of time.

[@johnmiranda2307]

Let’s see. At 3B all we had was the cold war. Now?

[@mokhachoka2918]

Muslims don't have this problem. Make your nabi proud on yawmul qiyyamah with a large nation to make him (sws) proud. There's a beautiful hadith related to this. If we didn't have kids the world would end. It's beneficial for us to fill the gap. Do not think like those that don't believe in Allah. We believe and trust in Allah and the child's rizq is written and comes with it. Keep growing the ummah, even though they hate it ❤ the future is ours, and the promise of Allah is true ❤

[@lewisbensted7161]

No it isnt

[@azhanali1448]

Statistically, Muslim countries have higher fertility rate. Atheists like Dawkin ridiculed the Muslims who procreate like rabbits. Now we can compare between God’s wisdom and limited human knowledge.

[@herbayum76]

Everywhere the followers of Allah form a majority there is repression, corruption,poverty, stagnation,civil war, a culture of omertà, abuse and beating of women by frustrated uneducated men...need i go on.. Btw the moment moslims migrate to western countries within one generation they have the same number of children as the non-moslim families..

[@rohj4825]

We need protection of all humans life from moment of conception.

[@exposefalsecopyrightclaimers]

We need to team up and protect all of the children from deadly spider bites. We can posse up and tackle a tornado with our bare hands if it was to head towards the children. Each and every one of us can place body armor on all of the children that will protect them from violence. I hear if children eat cat feces straight from the cat's litterbox it will make them immune to cancer. Basically, even people with a negative IQ and physically disabled can procreate. Ya'll are just a bunch of dumb dumbs forcing children onto a planet full of dumb dumbs.

[@skylinefever]

No, unwanted kids are a huge problem. Communist Romania did that and it was disasterous.

[@nolwino]

If you noticed, throughout the entire interview, this scientist specifically emphasized on CHOICE on numerous occasions. It is evident to any citizen of the free world that we cannot breed our females like cattle. Your proposal is based on reproductive slavery and thus unrealistic.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Not all Communists are raging anti-abortionists/raging pronatalists. Don't attack an innocent group (Communists) for the faults of extremist nationalists in Romania.@@skylinefever

[@skylinefever]

@@theultimatereductionist7592 I am not pointing to all communists. I am making the point about the communist era of Romania. As the communist party was losing influence, the abortion bans and contraception bans were removed.

[@FBA-Renaissance]

6:10 - ALPHA MALE FACT... IT'S RARE FOR US TO BE WITH A WOMAN 30+ YEARS OLD 😎

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Nothing wrong with fat pride. Many just question the government, the status quo, the weight-loss & gym membership industry. Nobody is tying anybody else down and force feeding them to become obese. This is not an absolute scientific fact and theory like Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) or evolution or dark matter and dark energy. People SHOULD question the BRAINWASHING that "obese is unhealthy". Clearly, if it was worth it to the obese person to starve themselves to lose weight, they would have done it. This is not like AGW where one person's physical actions HARM ANOTHER person, regardless whether they want it to or not. @sarahkareem1251

[@Sociology_Tube]

wealthy nations can rescue high functioning good people from the third world to resolve all these issues. No one says this. Children and having children are not necessary

[@Sociology_Tube]

why not have a social demographer population scientist make this rather than a randome white conservative dude.

[@tanler7953]

Not a problem. We can have a black trans social demographer make the video. The facts will stay the same.