Am I the only one who is massively impressed at how well the Carrera kept up with its siblings which cost nearly twice as much??
@chadmueller91352 жыл бұрын
I mean, the GT3 RS is a track car.
@nonradar2 жыл бұрын
Uh, they proved the Carrera is the better value, lol.
@chadmueller91352 жыл бұрын
@@nonradar nah man
@nonradar2 жыл бұрын
@@chadmueller9135 I’m on a fixed income… lol!
@BrendanEvan2 жыл бұрын
That’s what I was thinking! Holy sheesh
@carfan37622 жыл бұрын
There is nothing the regular Carrera is to be ashamed of. As a matter of fact, considering the modesty of its setup, it’s jolly damned good ! The 911 is a winner, which ever the version. 👏
@iliaskourgialas2 жыл бұрын
probably woudl've done even better if it was the carrera 4
@mikek5452 жыл бұрын
As long as it makes me feel better about my little problem. Small mans car 😅
@bobcortez94712 жыл бұрын
I have a 992 S and I’ll be honest, I’m thinking I should’ve bought a standard 911 and dumped the money into options. These cars are faster than most of us are capable of driving in base trim, let alone the performance variants, why not spend the money on fun features? Lesson learned!
@Sickwitit18 Жыл бұрын
@@bobcortez9471I had a 992 Carrera S with custom exhaust and some other mods. Thing was fkn crazy! Launch control in that thing was nuts and I was winding around mountain roads and it was gripping so hard. I was pushing that thing hard. I would personally get a Carrera S and tune it, gives it about 100hp extra and makes it feel like a GT3. I live in Colorado if that changes anything. Huge roads/lanes
@lilhotdog70112 жыл бұрын
Holy crap the carrera is honestly incredible. The foundation for the gt3 is already miles up
@romulus_2 жыл бұрын
more car than 99% of people can handle if we're being realistic.
@dougals35752 жыл бұрын
If that had been a carrera s i think it would been too close for comfort at times
@BB-zv8tx2 жыл бұрын
And if it were a Carrera 4 GTS with a PDK, I reckon it could've even won the drag race.
@Smllc223182 жыл бұрын
Shelby gt350r > Carrera S.
@gpaje2 жыл бұрын
I think the braking performance of the RS isn't from just the power of initial braking, but durability during a track day, being that strong over the course of repeated hard braking. How would they fair after a lap or two at the Nurburgring for example, I think the braking performance up to temp and after repeated hard stops, the RS would show a much greater advantage than a single hard stop when cold.
@michaelm11052 жыл бұрын
Did the GT3 have the Carbon brakes too?
@brulaapgaapmeester80522 жыл бұрын
Actually I thought the braking distance differences were quite acceptable. The basic Carrera probably already brakes very well, so beating that with a couple of car lenghts seems ok to me.
@joobaggs68862 жыл бұрын
Yeah the rs needs warm tires and hard braking into a high speed corner(150+ mph) to truly show its performance advantage. Stopping in a straight line with cold tires and brakes won't show much difference.
@snapyo14722 жыл бұрын
Was looking to see if someone made this point. 👍
@michaelm11052 жыл бұрын
The RS3 and the 3 do not have the same carbon brakes? I’m assuming that the 3 is also lighter…..
@steveberridge46482 жыл бұрын
Another person here blown away by the pace of the carrera. O-150 in under 20 secs? That's faster than the 996 Turbo! It must be making a fair bit more than the quoted BHP. All the 911 you'll ever need on UK roads.
@coolguy_29972 жыл бұрын
I suppose a Carrera GTS would be quicker than gt3s acceleration wise:) would be nice to have it in the test
@neilturner67492 жыл бұрын
Nick Murray’s channel advocates that base 911 Carreras run way over 400bhp and that a simple restrictor adjustment (not a tune-up, more of an undoing of an artificial tune-down) takes them “back” to around 480bhp. Applying the same “de-de-tune” to an S or GTS gives around 530bhp.
@alphanumeric34462 жыл бұрын
Would have also liked to see a winged GT3 vs the GT3 Touring.
@niklastp092 жыл бұрын
Want to see a 992 GT3 RS vs 992 GT3 PDK because the GT3 should have nearly the same straight line performance and the touring lost with a big gap because of the manual transmission and driver
@twmijjit2 жыл бұрын
I love how Porsche keeps making their cars faster without falling into the increasing hp game.
@keithrichards-io5db Жыл бұрын
Totally agree- Corvettes new Z06 will mostly be driven by posers who never track the car (Porsche is notorious for having higher numbers of cars that actually get track use). The higher HP is great for the posers to talk about at social gatherings. But you simply cannot use the extra power on the street and keep your licence.
@ALMX5DP2 жыл бұрын
The standard Carrera still did really well IMO. Obviously if you want every last tenth, gotta get a GT model but for mortals I’d think extraction of those last percentage points is more than the differences the cars have.
@Rhaspun2 жыл бұрын
It's a difference that has to be measured with a timer. The standard Carrera isn't a slouch when being used as a daily. But I do have to say the sound of that GT3 engine is way better.
@718YellowSubmarine2 жыл бұрын
then again, IMO it's not about the timer but more about the way the machine is making you feel. My ride is a 718 Spyder while my previous car was a base 981. That 2.7 PDK was perfect but the GT chassis with the manual combined with the 4.0 makes me feel all shaky in the legs...
@ALMX5DP2 жыл бұрын
@@718YellowSubmarine oh totally. Sometimes i get caught up with times and competition, but you're absolutely right that most of the time for most people it's the visceral feel and sensation you get. I havent driven any modern Porsche, but love the NA flat 6 sound, and know the way they rev and build power is just intoxicating. Combined with a mid-engine layout and I think the 981/982 are some of the best drivers cars they make. Definitely Jealous of your Spyder, I used to kind of mimic that with my Miata when i permanently deleted the soft top and ran a bimini style top for a while in California.
@markw95122 жыл бұрын
To me it looked like they could’ve done with a redo or driver swap in the 0-150 runs. The GT3 Touring seemed to have gotten a sucky launch compared to the others. Edit: hadn’t realized that it was a manual, in which case it was a great launch! But a manual vs PDK isn’t exactly fair, is it?
@bertbert93472 жыл бұрын
Yeah its a stupid comparison, totally agree!
@damachine32 жыл бұрын
I wonder why they did a manual when it comes in PDK as well
@markw95122 жыл бұрын
@@damachine3 I think that one was provided and owned by an individual
@damachine32 жыл бұрын
@@markw9512 Yeah, I'm sure you're right. I own a manual, PDK, and single clutch (992 GT3, GT4 RS and Macan S, and 992 GT3 Cup)...huge differences. Edit: My 992 GT3 RS arrives in April. Can't wait to see how it compares.
@markw95122 жыл бұрын
@@damachine3 Deleted first reply, mistook you for someone else! 🤦♂️ Post up some videos bruh, would love to see some of those beauties!
@madsdgdhg2 жыл бұрын
It's friday, Auto Express and Evo with new Steve Sutcliffe videos... feels like early Christmas presents!
@tranquility77172 жыл бұрын
A base carerra is extremely capable out the box, I’ve tracked one many times. The sweet spot is a carerra S, the S outperformed many cars on the track while very compliant on the road. The 992s are as good as it gets.
@Renirode2 жыл бұрын
in my opinion there a few mistakes made in this test: - on the drag race the GT3 had really late start (slower reaction time maybe) - on the brake test: both GT3 and Carrera were coming in a higher speed braking at the line - maybe they tried to line the cars up exactly on the breaking line which results in a higher entry speed - apex test: from the top drone view you can see that the line of the Carrera is a different one - not even hitting the white / red area. So the difference could be even higher or it could be faster when having the same angle like the other two cars
@irtiza42622 жыл бұрын
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the video quality of this channel🙌
@robertc78922 жыл бұрын
Thank you Steve. Best reviewer that also drives madly here. Keep it up and continue to these great reviews. Always eager to watch a vid from you.
@redrider12582 жыл бұрын
MUCH prefer this kind of comprehensive testing including cornering speeds to Carwow’s limited straight line testing..as much as I enjoyed their vids, kudos to Autoexpress. 👍
@davideparente73392 жыл бұрын
To do this kind of tests you need a pro racing driver, Matt simply isn't 😅
@motozest78562 жыл бұрын
It's hysterical how much they engineered these tests to put the RS on top. The GT3 was the Touring version, not the normal version with more aero, they absolutely botched the launch on the GT3 Touring for the 0-60 test (:50), they braked earlier on the RS for the brake test (3:33)... Someone was worried the GT3 was going to wipe the floor, weren't they?
@justanotherday99042 жыл бұрын
Great comparison which could even be greater with a cheeky laptime.
@theinquiringminded69522 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly entertaining review (as usual). You really give your audience an almost tactile sensation of what it’s like to drive these machines. Terrific! You are one of the great reviewers and presenters. Bravo! Also, let’s take a moment to celebrate those three machines, all equally and justifiably proud of their performances. Well driven too!
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam2 жыл бұрын
I’d LOVE to see the GTS with Cup R on this test
@georgelovecar2 жыл бұрын
As they are doing this test in the Top Gear track, can we just have the good old TG style time lap with Jeremy Clarkson as the voice over!!! It would be an epic video.
@WaemYt2 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to see a turbo s in this comparison.
@jarasw82262 жыл бұрын
tires make the biggest difference. Rolling race is for the GT3 Touring because the aerodynamic of GT3 RS makes it slower at the straight. No surprise at all
@luisfilipelopes29002 жыл бұрын
There are 2 things missing on this mighty absolutely amazing review: first is a full lap to understand the real differences between all 3 (all great cars), the second is a soundtrack contest, where, well GT3 touring in amazing and gt3rs is otherworldly, and the Carrera is just okish. We are comparing atmospheric engines with a Turbo not so pleasing one. I was surprised by how difficult the Carrera was to drift, and how easy the gt3rs is (expected to be hard). Also the brake test on the gt3rs reminded me of the nsx-r that brake exactly the same as the me E46 on this type of test, but on a track would win miles in each braking corner. Expect the same with this bad boy. But yes, the feeling you give to us viewer's is just sensational, great great job!
@neilturner67492 жыл бұрын
Agree re the brakes comment. The bigger brakes as you move up the 911 hierarchy won’t necessarily stop the car in a hugely shorter distance in a test like this, but are likely to be much more fade-resistant over the course of a few laps if you track the car.
@helemikro84852 жыл бұрын
@@neilturner6749 imo they should have done a few laps around a track in each and then tested the brakes shortly after. It would have been more representative of the potential of each car after a short bit of racing
@Interesting3652 жыл бұрын
The sad truth is the majority of these Touring and RS cars will never be driven at thebtrack like they were designed to. The owners will trade them like Rolex Wristwatches that were intended for tools and not status symbols. The day will come when the owner relize that they cannot take them to the afterlife, at which time I will buy one at their estate sale for pennies on the dollar.
@Ollie_52 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for a lap of the Top Gear circuit Steve!
@WahabGoldsmith2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, I see all cars winning in this video. Exceptional performance from a base 380 hp Carrera, great linear speed by the gt3 (as its meant to do as a touring), and phenomenal cornering speed by the 3RS.
@commantrosexetlos47002 жыл бұрын
Not 380hp.. More like 430 even 450hp to be able to do that times
@jameswillard12 жыл бұрын
Great video Steve! I will take the Touring with a manual transmission 👍🏻
@GeordieAmanda2 жыл бұрын
This is the one I've been waiting for. Steve in a GT3 RS. Perfection :)
@patrickrowe102410 ай бұрын
Nothing like car reviews with reviewers like Steve at the wheel ❤ talented driver's always know what they're talking about
@lawrencemitchell59832 жыл бұрын
I never get tired of just looking at 911s 🙂. I'd love to get a lightly pre owned one someday. For now, it's Mustang GT budget.....which has a great sound actually, but still long for a 911. Thanks for the comparison.
@verynice88302 жыл бұрын
Same here my man, I love looking at 911s, but I do prefer the Boxster and Cayman :) . Which generation 911 would you be looking to buy in the future?
@simonbussey75302 жыл бұрын
You could budget a Cayman.
@lawrencemitchell59832 жыл бұрын
@@simonbussey7530 Agreed 👍. I've had the internal Cayman or Cayman S debate a few times. Either way, beautiful cars.
@mikeyhbev2 жыл бұрын
992GT3RS and Steve Sutcliffe in the same video! Perfect combo 💥
@SoCalFreelance2 жыл бұрын
7:50 This shot is good enough to have been in a feature film -- the beginning of a James Bond chase scene or something.
@bumpinjeep2 жыл бұрын
To address the braking, its not the initial stopping power that's the difference between the vehicles, its the prolonged braking over the course of a track day. The RS will stop better for a much longer time, meaning the difference in braking will grow lap over lap.
@danflorea70312 жыл бұрын
Why use the manual Touring instead of a regular pdk GT3? Would the difference between that (normal GT3) and the RS be too small to justify the price of the latter, maybe?:)
@michaeljohncooper2 жыл бұрын
The GT3 Touring is a manual, it’s the UK press car seen it’s lots of other reviews. 0-60 hardly comparable.
@Diffrent-332 жыл бұрын
The GT3 Touring Driver is sleeping at the start 🤣
@markgtrheyes2 жыл бұрын
Manual touring.Think it can only rev to 5k at launch, whilst the pdk launch at 6.6k and measure slip more accurately than a hoooman
@markw95122 жыл бұрын
@@markgtrheyes Oh it was manual? Hadn’t caught that. Great launch then vs the PDKs, but not the fairest of races.
@markgtrheyes2 жыл бұрын
@@markw9512 agree, would have been good to see race with all using pdk :)
@knurhahn89012 жыл бұрын
With the PDK the Touring probabaly smokes the GT3 RS at the Drag Race (Even though the RS comes with the Cup 2 R). However, as we all know a GT3 is not about racing in a straight line or Top Speed. But even for Track time comparisons the Touring press cars come always as a manual. I get the idea but this makes it hard to really determine the difference to the wing GT3 . I'd love to see "Sport Auto" doing a hot lap at the Nordschleife with a PDK Touring with Cup2 Rs.
@nacho39592 жыл бұрын
This test with a carrera S or GTS would have been great
@taforth2 жыл бұрын
Great compare her with Steve! The only sticking point for me was that they shouldn’t have compared the touring equipped with a manual.
@PetroBolah2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@kevin-l7r7p2 жыл бұрын
Great video, still have mixed feelings on what or how each Porsche GT product gets it's improvements. They go faster on track but road compliance and day to day liveability just gets compromised more and more. They openly say they are taking bits direct of the race cars...I dunno seems the design/tech has plateaued and the compromise just got more extreme...guess it's better than the BMW solution of a car so big it looks and weighs like a SUV but has a million HP.
@gumpy49602 жыл бұрын
This is what I don’t get either. Basically the gt3rs is bought for bragging rights really as most people will drive it on the road and it’s an inferior road car to the gt3 and standard carerra.
@janneshildebrandt12 жыл бұрын
@@gumpy4960 thats simply not true, Look at the Nordschleife for example on a trackday, every second car is a gt3 or rs and avery 4th car is indeed a gt3 rs.
@janneshildebrandt12 жыл бұрын
Thats what gt is all about racecar for the road. Its not supposed to be comfy or anything like that
@tkmwong0204802 жыл бұрын
That's because the standard 992 GT3 and GT3 Touring has slightly bit more Torque than the 992 GT3 RS. The Top speed is also slightly lower on the GT3 RS compared to the standard GT3 and GT3 Touring. Torque does play an important part in a drag race.
@akadanielmaia2 жыл бұрын
Call something RS heavier than a Touring still weird. I wish RS was a stripped down version of the GT3 and they had something over the top like the current RS as something else
@verde6292 жыл бұрын
The 992 looks so much better than the 991 imo
@crimsonstripes2 жыл бұрын
Feel like this was missing the standard GT3 with the Swan neck wing is all. I'm sure it's very similar, just not the same.
@pfan120002 жыл бұрын
In the braking test heat has nothing to do with the coefficient friction of PCCBs which are the same when hot or cold
@eliotsalandybrown2 жыл бұрын
🤩Steve your videos are such a pleasure to watch, what with your wisdom and warmth 🙏
@lerr001jr72 жыл бұрын
That just goes to show you how brilliant the 911 chassis is you have three iterations of the same car true they’re modified differently however you can see how much the improvements are from one to the other
@BrianStDenis-pj1tq2 жыл бұрын
Did you give each car the same model of tire? If not, this isn't much of a comparison.
@crashyyy41162 жыл бұрын
P-zero for the Carrera and the Touring, Cup 2 for the RS
@BrianStDenis-pj1tq2 жыл бұрын
@@crashyyy4116 Those are very comparable tires, not bad. Best would be to use the exact models, but this was pretty close. Thanks.
@nathandepasquale95712 жыл бұрын
Carrera seems like a bargain. Great vid. Good old Steve 👍🏼
@zacharyparis2 жыл бұрын
Which one has the best looking engine bay?
@andersonramasray63562 жыл бұрын
Steve should do a review on a manual 911 gt3 touring👌
@lucabeckmann40042 жыл бұрын
The Touring is one of the most beautiful cars ever
@iVTECInside2 жыл бұрын
Had the luxury of driving a manual GT3 track version a few months ago. Pure automotive perfection.
@keithmedia2 жыл бұрын
Best review of the rs Context is everything.
@oliverwabwire28362 жыл бұрын
I'm simply blown away by the 992 game🔥🔥🔥.....sports car engineering finessed to the nth degree without twisting the badazzles off of the engine in a spaced out boy-racer horsepower worm-hole!
@Porschelover4562 жыл бұрын
Bring a gt3 pdk, that would be a fair comparation. Both on same tyres.
@pcaryvr2 жыл бұрын
Exactly this. I respect Steve a lot, but very disingenuous journalism of him not to mention the Touring is a manual and instead glazing over with his “flat shifting” reference. PDK vs PDK, the lighter and slipperier Touring would have indeed been ahead.
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam2 жыл бұрын
Stupid that they ran a manual GT3 (and I’m a HUGE manual fan). Even Porsche admits the 6mt isn’t as quick
@geirarnesen65312 жыл бұрын
Steve Sutcliffe, what a treat as an auto journalist. The no-nonsense smooth commentary and professional driving skills - a LEGEND! 👏
@Ali-qx5is2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Finally, a review that means something.
@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal29212 жыл бұрын
Grat Porsche comparison testing.
@bizzleexd96692 жыл бұрын
exactly the video i was looking for, very nice
@jamdc20002 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see 'em with the same compound tyres, let's say all cars "wearing" same shoes like Michelin Pilot Super Sport or Continental's SportContact 5
@BACK2PORT2 жыл бұрын
Man the touring is so beautiful
@DonLee19802 жыл бұрын
should have done a lap of the top gear track while at it =)
@lastlondon2 жыл бұрын
Was the regular Carrrera on Cup2 tyres like the other cars? No point if it wasn’t
@ralfw35502 жыл бұрын
Was there any mention of the tyres? If the RS was on Cup R, the Touring on Cup 2 and the Carrera on PZero, most of the comparisons would have been pointless and heavily in favour of the RS
@Battle_Garage2 жыл бұрын
What tire was the base on a pzero? Running it back on cup 2 thru the turn would be cool
@keanehgz2 жыл бұрын
Nice to be back at Dunsfold circuit
@andrewpiper28802 жыл бұрын
Wonderful as always... I hope you've got one on order!
@Moakmeister2 жыл бұрын
This may be a stupid question, but you were using the DRS for the drag races, right?
@dumptodreamhome26302 жыл бұрын
Are they All running with the Same tires?
@aggeloskoulis20782 жыл бұрын
the last scene with the drift is...ALL THE MONEY !!!!!!!!!!
@saucysimpson2592 жыл бұрын
The touring was catching quickly
@RSADYNAMICS2 жыл бұрын
Long live Steve Sutcliffe .loved your HONDA F1 Test drive Video
@nujabe2 жыл бұрын
Can you guys do a GTS instead of a base Carrera
@gumpy49602 жыл бұрын
So really if you are driving mainly or entirely on the road then just get the gt3 or gt3 touring as it’s just as good everywhere other than Corning speed which won’t matter on the road, plus that extra straight line speed is nice.
@albertflecha1502 жыл бұрын
Would love to see the same battle with the GT4 RS and GT4 included in the mix!
@ultimatist2 жыл бұрын
I love this format, please repeat for other sports car variants. Always nice to see where your money makes an impact on the track.
@peterw44842 жыл бұрын
Is this comparison really fair? You compared two vehicle with Pirelli P-Zero versus one other rolling on Cup-2's. This might influence breaking performance as well als handling.
@BLITZKRIEG12 жыл бұрын
maybe new Turbo S as well?
@michaelm11052 жыл бұрын
I like how they had the GT3 launch bad to get RS the drag win. All the down force is not good for high end speed. We’re the 3/RS on the same tires?
@janneshildebrandt12 жыл бұрын
The gt3 touring was a manual, so of course it gets of the line worse
@liamrmorgans9212 жыл бұрын
Thought you would have done a timed lap in each
@mariorivas96732 жыл бұрын
Let's see: in the drag race the touring started a bit slower, so in an even start they should've finished very close one to the other. In the rolling race probably if the RS would have had more miles on the clock it would've make a better performance.
@BubuBarong2 жыл бұрын
More Steve please! But... Why didn't you do again the drag race and break test starting correctly?! What's the point?
@twenty5142 жыл бұрын
Loved these tests!
@bluesky9093 Жыл бұрын
The base Carrera performance is actually quite remarkable. I get what they were trying to do by comparing the base model to the top end, however it would have been interesting to see what a Carrera 4S would have done.
@AH4Z2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison … but pdk in the “touring” to be on equivalent footing would have been perfect.
@motofunk12 жыл бұрын
No full lap times?
@donnguyen-tan32482 жыл бұрын
Pirelli P Zero (but which P Zero?) on the Carrera and GT3 Touring vs. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 on the GT3RS. The comparison is not as useful when the vehicles have different tires.
@Mojo5222 жыл бұрын
Where's the GTS or the GTS 4?
@oscardominguez16802 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@MarMPB2 жыл бұрын
Great video! But why not put the Carrera GTS against the GT3 and GT3RS? It’s closer to the other two, considering the price and performance. Maybe those very special GT3 could be embarrassed in some tests? The basic Carrera is an excellent car but it’s not a competitor to the others.
@Tech-Kino26852 жыл бұрын
Love the video quality and it just makes me want the touring 911 more
@karlin_oriley2 жыл бұрын
If you don't drive on race tracks on a regular basis you'll don't need more than the "normal" carrera. But if you drive on tracks very often (and your purse is filled enough) the RS will be your weapon. All in all, I'd take the touring if I don't have to look at the money. It has enough power and still is an absolute monster on curvy roads + has the porsche understatement for driving through the city without too much "exaggerating" optical parts such as the spoiler of Doom on its back
@BertrandDussert2 жыл бұрын
Cool tests and video, but two observations. 1. Your braking surface or conditions must be terrible, because my 992 GT3 (non touring with PCCBs) brakes from 100 mph in 4 seconds flat (3.99 seconds best time). 2. This is just as a point of comparison, the 991 GT2RS hits 0-150 mph in 12.05 seconds. That’s massively faster, and points to the only thing missing in the new GT3RS…a little more power would be nice. It’s an amazing car all around though!
@captainobvious91882 жыл бұрын
I realize off topic, but this shows what I tell people about why the R35 GTR did/has done so well, it has good traction at low speed and by the time traction wouldn't be an issue, but its weight, the speed zone transitions to where drag is the biggest concern and it has low drag. I was a teenager in the 90's and my dad had a modified Impala SS and it was like a cruise missile on the freeway - He would embarrass exotics and other highly modified cars all the time. Of course turning is something else.
@nicolasvillanustre21402 жыл бұрын
Great video but to compare, it should be a winged gt3 pdk, would probably showed not much difference with RS
@mosca32892 жыл бұрын
Nice demo.
@caliwong2 жыл бұрын
I want to see this done with all cars on the same tire...
@ridingdriving2 жыл бұрын
most underrated car journo ever
@ShouldKnowBetter2 жыл бұрын
So on the road below 90 mph their is not much in it. So you may as well have a C2 and the best part of £50k or even £100k remaining in your bank account. However if your are on the track (uninsured), an experienced driver and someone else is paying for the car, tyres and fuel (ie you are a a motoring journalist), the GT3 is the quickest. The first option suits me, as I pay for it myself. Enjoyed the film, well done!