Porsche 911 R v ST: which is the greatest of all time?

[@911aircooled5]

Honestly, 👍👍👍👍, if I had four thumbs, been waiting for this comparison Lee. Cheers mate! Both are legend cars in the Porsche range. Kicking it out of the park Lee. Well done.

[@9WERKSTV]

Thank you so much! I hope you enjoy the comparison - a world first!

[@VK6AB-]

@@9WERKSTV They all sound the same since the 991.2.....................with minor differences due to various filters and sound deadening. The ST is marketing over substance.

[@axledog7297]

Glad to see the 996 40th getting some love!

[@mrmdh4674]

Enjoying the longer length features.

[@9WERKSTV]

Thank you for the kind feedback.

[@Evan_She]

I prefer the look of R, just more elegant.

[@user-rn4vw9tr3e]

Better size

[@bngr_bngr]

I’ve never driven a Porsche to be elegant.

[@Kenya_agron]

I've pretty much ignored every other S/T video from the more cliched, generic car reviewers over the past few months, knowing that this would be the only review worth watching Lee. It definitely did not disappoint, great video as always and thank you.

[@ChristianAtackViamob]

At the Houghton Car show earlier this year we followed both an R and an ST in my 996 Gt3 the 3 mile journey was epic. Incredible motors

[@davidkeenan5989]

Great comparison, great video Lee.

[@russhird1971]

Great vid, 911R for me, thanks for taking the time and effort on the channel

[@simonelliott5956]

Saw a 911R at my local dealership the other day, very special indeed.

[@SChapps]

I remember seeing this exact 911R at Snetterton in what must have been 2016 or 2017, it’s a thing of beauty

[@daggidding4478]

Great video, Lee! I also like that the video is longer than some of your other videos. I don’t mind a bit more 9werks time 😃

[@MichaelM-zk7lc]

Give me 997 as peak GT 911…even in basic 997.1 GT3 form. 997.2 has better suspension and TQ, but that generation, does not matter the model, is GOAT

[@aircooled.obsession]

The comparison we've all been waiting for - like button hit, prior to watching ❤Expert analysis as always, keep up the good work ✌

[@TheBucketOfTruth]

No doubt the 911R is the better looking car with the S/T having the 992.1 face only a mother could love. I think for me not having driven either I'm wanting the S/T. Higher redline, more composed, no rear wheel steering so it's more pure in that way. I think for me I want the best that Porsche offers for this era which is going to be an S/T, not something in the middle. If I want something more 911, more raw, just give me a 997 GT3 RS. And the reality is that people who are in these kinds of cars don't often have to choose just one, so give me the best of the new, something supremely capable and yet still pure paired with something older with hydraulic steering, the more involving, more raw 997 RS.

[@brianhimmelman420]

agree 997 RS is special and pure

[@jamescarson6681]

I could happily watch an even longer version of this video - this was fantastic to watch, thank you Lee. A quick question about the driving position for Right hand drive 911s - I'm aware that the air-cooled era 911s have pedals that are offset in relation to the 'H-point'- but is this still the case with these modern 911s too? Keep up the great work!

[@philallen7626]

Of those two, I'd definitely go with the R. Though in the event of an euromillions win, I'd be out shopping for a 991 Speedster over either.

[@razorworks111]

100% agreed. Something about the 991 gen that is more appealing

[@manuelgomessamuel]

Moor Automobili in Italy has a Speedster version on sale (just 150 km on the clock) for 398.000 euros. I think it's a fairly good investment.

[@carfan3762]

Great to watch your enthusiasm ! And of course every comment you make is music to our ears. If only all 911 lovers could wake up and find an ST in their garage 😅👏

[@9WERKSTV]

Thank you kindly! Checking that garage every day for an ST!

[@Askgeez]

Brilliant video Lee. Really well filmed and edited. Your knowledge is incredible and superlatives and facts just roll off your tongue 😄 The R has always been my “lottery winning” car

[@Porsche311]

Take them to some real roads, not beat up flat tiny roads and reassess. Spent 10 days in the Alps with my S/T last summer and can honestly say cars don’t get any better. It’s a car that gives you all the old old school feels but includes modern day touches that we all want. It’s a monster that comes alive when pushed, yet doesn’t beat you up. You can drive the S/T all day as a result because it’s calm and refined when needed, but an absolute beast when pushed. Perfection

[@9WERKSTV]

Great to hear you're enjoying your S/T. I enjoyed driving this one so much I did 1,000 miles in four days, with all manner of roads covered.

[@flat6croc]

Those were proper roads. If you need to take a car a 1,000 miles away to enjoy it, that's a problem. Personally, I want to enjoy a driver's car regularly, not a few times a year. So, bouncy B roads are where a car needs to perform.

[@Porsche311]

@@flat6croc I have owned and put tons on miles on most Porsches. Those crummy roads should have only accentuated how much better the S/T vs the R. S/T handles road imperfections so well, much better than R. As such there is no way that anyone with any decent driving history could think otherwise. It then further distinguishes itself by coming alive on fine roads like those in Austrian Alps making it without a doubt the best driving road car Porsche has made. Unfortunately most people fall into the trap that a louder car must be better, so on that metric folks might conclude the R is better. But nothing is better to pile on miles than an S/T, it’s so good. Like I said, have had them all so don’t have anything to gain, just throwing my 2 cents in

[@flat6croc]

@@Porsche311 Sounds like you have a bee in your bonnet about the ST. And calling those roads 'crummy' speaks volumes. They're the best kinds of roads for real-world driving fun. Alps roads are a different kind of enjoyment, but speeds and risks if caught etc are a different ballgame. Lumpy, tortuous B roads are the best. Flat surfaced, fast Alpine roads relatively dull by comparison. Scenery is great, driving more questionable. And as for falling into the trap of louder being better, the argument here was that the ST has more aural drama, not less, but that the R was still preferred. Anyway, personally find the R far more appealing. But they are both undoubtedly fantastic cars.

[@Porsche311]

@@flat6croc I prefer the looks of R, the S/T isn’t a beautiful car. But since I can’t see either when driving and I don’t buy cars to collect, it’s the S/T as the better car. Not sure what bee bonnet means

[@andrewwebber5910]

Absolutely excellent video :) Gosh that 911 R is superb!!

[@anson4741]

They are both considered all the time greats. Let's not debate and put both of them on your bucket list.

[@jaykay19772]

Lee, these vids are just plain fantastic. ❤ Thank you a lot for all the effort you put together in order to make these vids. As a long term overseas subscriber of Total911 and a proper 911 nutter. When the mag is now long gone, these vids just make my day.😊 Keep on pushing, well appreciated! Greetings from a 991RS owner from 🇫🇮👍, so 911R any day , all day! 😇👊

[@billnorblat4047]

Thank you for clarifying when you're being honest

[@smilepermile8165]

What a line up you have pulled off👏🏻and thank you for filming this comparison too, really informative. Considering that manufacturers have to follow the exponentially-ever-so-stringent safety regulations and fit more catalytic converters to pass emissions (e.g. the just-unveiled 992.2 GT3s), its incredible that Porsche have managed to keep the weight fairly similar between these two cars. One question about the gearing 15:21 - you mentioned that they share the same ratios. As the 911 S/T has shorter gearing than the 992.2 GT3 manuals, does that mean that the 991.2 GT3 manual cars also have longer gear ratios too? Many thanks in advance.

[@benbustama3430]

Love this guy’s videos… Simply the best videographer of all things 911! Thanks for another brilliant 911 video. Cheers/B

[@9WERKSTV]

Oh wow, that’s most kind. Thank you.

[@martindean1205]

Great video Lee. The R gets my vote.

[@brianhimmelman420]

gear ratio is identical 911R and 991.2 Touring … S/T has shorter ratio and now so does 992.2 Touring … your descriptions feel dead on and highlight each special and unique qualities THANK YOU !!

[@9WERKSTV]

Thanks Brian, according to my research from Porsche the ratios are identical between the R and ST?

[@phillsmith9255]

The S/T must have shorter gearing than the R, how else can you explain the S/T being nearly 30 BHP more powerful but having nearly 20 mph off the top speed? Great video, the dream would be to have both!

[@JD-sx3hf]

Ratios are the same but the ST has a shorter final drive, which effectively shortens all gears by 8%

[@Ramsi-Berlin]

Yeah, the 911Guy in a 911 R & 992 S/T in one Video ❣️👌🏼😜 The "Creme dela Creme" in the 911 lineup 👍🏼😅 Love from Berlin 🇩🇪 Ramsi 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@popsbubbles1242]

Liked the close ups and details at the beginning, very few you tubers shoot like that.

[@9WERKSTV]

Thank you! 🙌🏻

[@Xolition]

Thanks for the depth.

[@diegodivers]

Superb comparison of to absolute dream cars with amazing machinery but stratospheric price tags. For us mortals maybe 991T with some refinements or 997.2 S for that analogue feeling. Maybe an Idea for a another comparison?

[@alexbrodie2930]

Lovely video Lee (currently watching during the kids tennis lesson). Appreciate the effort/editing/time that goes into making these vids…… and i will take one of each btw! 🏎️💨💨

[@9WERKSTV]

Thank you Alex, that's very kind of you to say. Am always so appreciate of your support as an enthusiast & DNHCer.

[@XxBadBoy1366xX]

Fantastic video all around. Earned a sub for sure

[@9WERKSTV]

Thank you very much!

[@natecaplin4374]

Great comparo video! Count your blessings to have the opportunity. I was fortunate to own a 991.2 Touring from new and took some epic drives in it, which had a lot of the 911R DNA in it. Doubt I’ll ever get to even sit inside an S/T, though maybe I’ll be lucky enough to get a 992.2 GT3 Touring, which A.P. explained has the S/T suspension tuning and otherwise a lot of the S/T bits baked in. It’s funny/ironic that what seems to happen to us all is that we get nostalgic for the foibles of the cars we drove we when first became obsessed with these cars and then, despite progress and evolution, think the latest/greatest has somehow “lost” that “traditional feel”…. For you (and me, too, as we are about the same age), our first 911’s were 996’s, and our “peak” 911’s were 991’s. Yet of course our elder enthusiasts of course think the 997’s (or 993’s) were peak 911.

[@9WERKSTV]

Thank you! Was very aware of the privilege during the test, and every day since! Great to read your sentiments on Porsche and how the journey has evolved for you, which chimes with my own story (save for the fact you’ve owned the nice cars, I’ve only driven them!). I wonder if, in 10 years, we’ll all be singing the praises of 992s. Let’s see.

[@adrianrothery6741]

Another superb , informative video , top work

[@9WERKSTV]

Thank you

[@user-qh7rj9wj4p]

Wow - cant wait to watch

[@Ramsi-Berlin]

Ich liebe die Heritage Innenausstattung des S/T... mit dem braunen Leder und grünen Instrumenten ❣️👌🏼 Dazu außen in Rubinrot/Rubyred ❕😋 Was ein geiler Spec 👍🏼

[@flat6croc]

With the ST, it's all gone a bit far. Fussy styling, wide body etc. The R is much more appealing from a pure driving perspective.

[@craigstorey4081]

Living the dream Lee! Great review 👍🏻👍🏻

[@9WERKSTV]

Cheers Craig mate, great to see a DNHCer here!

[@melbguy1]

Both great cars. Though i'd probably take the 911 S/T if I could find (and afford) one pre-owned as it's such a versatile car from road to track days, and a bit more forgiving.

[@gen1c8rs88]

The S/T is better there for it is worse😉

[@afoolandhismoneychannel]

Proper gauges and lack of the catfish front end treatment of the 992 makes the 911R my choice of the two.

[@YachtReport]

Drove a 992 911 T recently when my 997 was in for servicing. Felt as big as my Macan. Ridiculous really. I think the 911 peaked at 997.

[@kirknorris9873]

Really Nice Video. 911 R is my pick.

[@VK6AB-]

Don't particularly like the S/T, the lack of RAS hurts it and the shorter gearing is unnecessary.

[@mattdedasc]

Great video. Rare earth stuff. To be honest, I don't know what I would choose. I drive a 991.1 daily and I love the ergonomics and how the car feels. I'd probably pick the R

[@MD-qp8gj]

I know a guy that just received his 911 S/T but unfortunately will never be driven, yet my 996 GT3 has 55k hard miles.

[@philtaylor5053]

9Werks Magazine? Is this a new physical magazine to replace Total911 or an existing online magazine?

[@aboutthecurves]

Proper analysis. Though subjective, well argued and described.

[@9WERKSTV]

Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed.

[@rosmakloma]

We need to collectively stop using the term “goat“

[@9WERKSTV]

Why?

[@malanne1]

Great video but I wish you had the 997.2 4.0 RS as well... probably too much to ask for.😂

[@Gungaganoonga]

The R would be my pick. As a former 2019 gt3 touring owner id have to say R

[@warrenlucier5796]

You say the transmission feel was really great, so I'm wondering which vendor Porsche used to build it? Was it Aisin, ZF or Getrag who built it to Porsche design and specifications. I like both of these 911's, but I like the 997 generation the best. The change on the front suspension was a good move and should have been done as far back as the 996, but maybe the funds weren't around for the change then. I'd have a barn full of selection if the wherewithal existed, but I think we all might. Thanks again for a great comparison video.

[@doggodproductions2259]

ZF makes the PDK for Porsche. I was surprised when I learned that, because they're responsible for all those boring 8 speeds BMW and everyone are currently using. They're high quality transmissions, but still the fairly lifeless feel of a torque converter. Annoys me that BMW is using them on M cars now, they clearly could've had ZF design them a new 8 speed DCT, given the great quality of the PDKs. I'm a manual guy, so I was never shopping for ZF8 cars anyway, but BMW's fairly recently retired DCT was 2nd only to the PDK.

[@user-qh7rj9wj4p]

The 911r everyday and twice on Sunday.

[@darrenprior6339]

To have the opportunity to drive those two cars back to back.....My God. I couldn't be more envious if you were God.

[@9WERKSTV]

Ahahaha! Love that. Was certainly counting lots of blessings all day, and everyday since!

[@andrewbroadfort6856]

992.2 Touring - cheaper and larger production numbers (as long as they have improved the suspension tuning as they did with the S/T vs 992.1 Touring). R or S/T as investments only.

[@Redducati1199]

Got to say I really prefer the cleaner look of the R

[@jungyul2005]

New .2 gt3 touring might be new king

[@waqarghulam3548]

Which Porsche 911 is the best? I would say whichever one, one can afford. They are all good

[@Aliens_Gonna_Get_Ya]

Both are 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@shyguyy92]

Great review! Would you say the S/T shifter is the same height and similar feel as the 992 T's / GTS?

[@9WERKSTV]

Thanks! And no, ST shifter is stubbier, throw is shorter, and clutch is heavier.

[@ianmitchell9102]

Great video, if the 911R was a perfect 10, it looks like the ST is a 9.8 To be completely honest, I’d settle for your 996 40 jahre, I love it ❤

[@LennartToom]

You are not sitting lower on S/T, the dashboard on 992 is higer !

[@flsupraguy]

The r no question, more raw

[@naturalbornscorpio929]

"Porsche" ...there is no substitute.

[@keekeekaplanaus]

Somehow the R looks old to me

[@wrefordmiles]

One of those two is the GOAT, which one I think comes down to the summary of key areas of dynamics and driving attributes plus those that are important to the individual (some people will have Apple car play on their list 😂) I’m with you on the 911R, but that said when I add ‘what’s important to me' the list has to include affordability - GOAT for the masses Based on that I found this comparison interesting kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHXZdZaZqpt-bpYsi=3swwCZRbG7B_l5JZ

[@Laguna2013]

just saw an S/T on a dealership floor. 'SOLD' obviously but wow. What watch is that?

[@9WERKSTV]

Elliott Brown Bloxworth.

[@hmk911]

Greatest of all time is the 997.2 RS imo.

[@888mattd]

The best spec C16 911R ?

[@9WERKSTV]

I think so! Have always adored it, was a real privilege to drive it too.

[@chriscarbaugh3936]

Neither they’re both water pumpers 😢. The best will be air cooled!

[@judemurphy3356]

Just from watching this vid i think the 911r would be my pick .Great production keep them coming

[@9WERKSTV]

Thank you

[@markanderson2451]

Do days get better than that?

[@9WERKSTV]

I don't think they do, Mark!

[@markanderson2451]

@@9WERKSTV Great video Lee!! Enjoyed that.

[@iamspyvspy3077]

Neither. I'll take the 964 :D

[@romanteslya2077]

dont wathc yet, but i gona say, R all day long, new porsche become to big...

[@lazg1993]

Same here!

[@keithjackson4985]

These are fantastic cars, but there's no need to spend over 200 grand to have a great car! A Cayman with a six speed, a Z06, a Supra with a six speed? My money has to be invested!

[@stuartsmith5308]

Best 911 - 911 R, 2nd best 911 - 911 ST, 3rd best 911 ???

[@9WERKSTV]

RS 4.0

[@hbullock]

Spyder RS absolutely redefines cockpit aural experience. I know that’s not the topic of the review, sorry. lol

[@ryansperception]

First

[@911aircooled5]

Really, whoopie for you, 5 mins after upload, so you haven't even watched it!! Value add to life my friend, don't be a troll.

[@ryansperception]

@@911aircooled5 triggered much? Lol

[@Nord_Mann]

@@ryansperceptionchildish😂

[@JBOsurf]

I cringed when you shut the door of the S/T by grabbing the glass. NO! Just NO!

[@9WERKSTV]

Of all the effort gone into creating this film, from multiple people, you decide to comment on THAT? How very bizarre. I bet you're a load of fun in the pub.

[@JBOsurf]

@@9WERKSTV Loved the video. Thanks Lee.

[@Nord_Mann]

@@9WERKSTV I always grab the glass when closing my Porsche door👌🏻