Porsche's Hybrid Tiger, the Tiger P | Cursed by Design

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Today we look at the infamous Porsche Tiger. Widely regarded as an abysmal failure prone to fires and unable to even climb a slight slope much of this tanks legacy is made up of myths and misconceptions. Stay tuned to learn the reality of this project and how a hybrid Tiger almost became Germany's heavy tank.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - 2:40 Intro
2:40 - 6:05 Type 100/VK 30.01 (P)
6:05 - 12:20 Development and Production
12:20 - 14:05 Henschel vs Porsche
14:05 - 15:11 Combat service
15:11 - 15:43 Rammtiger
15:43 - 17:40 Takeaways
17:40 - 18:20 Outro

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[@International_Corn]

Real

[@DaProductionsDrawings]

Corndog

[@cactus8098]

epic

[@leonweber5244]

Michael fröhlich has a good book about this subject, I almost finished reading it

[@thewakeup5459]

I

[@International_Corn]

Never ask a woman's age A man's salary The things Porsche invented between 1933 to 1945

[@LastGoatKnight]

Fitting username to a fitting quote

[@kommandantgalileo]

Verstanden, Herr Göring.

[@OP4455OP]

Boys want a Prius, real men want a Tiger(P)

[@johnnymigouel7228]

The Volkswagen Beatle 🤓

[@filmandfirearms]

@@johnnymigouel7228 They weren't the same company until the 70s or 80s

[@MsZeeZed]

The irony about the Tiger is when Germans tried their second Ardennes push (aka The Battle of the Bulge) the Tiger did not have as easy a time getting through that country as the Pz II had in 1940. The need to select the strongest bridges led to bottlenecks, U-turns and eventual defeat that was partly down to the weight of a full turret tank carrying an 88mm, the tank they wished they had in 1940.

[@Pantsinabucket]

Panzer II reigns supreme as the best German tank design of the war.

[@imadequate3376]

On Hell Let Loose the Panzer II and M3 Stuart is God on forest maps like Hurtgen. You can slide into all sorts of nasty little spots Panzer IVs and M4s can't get into

[@flame1998]

the panzer II was great but the pz I was godly thankfully they didnt max out production on them or we would have all been doomed

[@RalfJosefFries]

Their are tanks that are great for offensiv tasks, and their are tanks for defensiv tasks. And at least since 1942, the german Wehrmacht was no longer in the position to do much offensiv tasks but focused in defensiv tasks. That´s why i think the Sherman was so great - no "one-trick-pony", more an affordable "swiss-army-knife"

[@henrik3291]

@@flame1998 To an infatryman the Panzer I and Panzer II was terrifying -The Chieftain

[@nonamesplease6288]

The German army actually had a well thought out tactical doctrine for the Tiger. It was to be kept in reserve and concentrated to support attacks. Once the attack was over they would be withdrawn and the crews given time to do maintenance. Unfortunately for the Germans, the enemy didn't cooperate, the war turned into a defensive slog, the Tiger was rushed into production and combat and was eventually used as a fire brigade, rushing from crisis to crisis. Let's not also forget that Germany's economy was a mess, and was supporting the war based on their own limited resources and those they could steal from occupied territories. Even without allied bombing, they never had the resources, money, fuel, time, or manpower to produce, crew, and operate enough of these tanks to make a difference.

[@skull....]

🤓

[@johnwhitworth679]

A+

[@markcraig4341]

Try again

[@lyricallyunwaxable1234]

During Kursk they were used at the forward tip of the 'panzerkeil' in an effort to combat the Soviet doctrine of a pakfront that they had previously encountered, and that German army intelligence had identified were massed in the Kursk salient. Also read somewhere that German industry had been geared to total war too late, for example they still had factories producing baby prams at the outbreak of hostilities. So many other factors from Gorings use of the Luftwaffe in the battle of Britain, Mussolini's attempted invasion of Greece led to Germany delaying Barbarossa to complete the side show losing valuable campaigning weather, Hitler's meddling in OKH affairs, the worse winter in supposedly 100yrs and many many other factors. But the stoic defense of the average Soviet peasant was a huge contributing factor to Germany's defeat as well as inventions far ahead of their time made by the 'untermensh', Stalin himself and the purges of the red army was another huge factor in their massive initial losses. Just too much to mention in a try to keep it simple comment. Needs volumes to cover, but they came within an ace of achieving their goals except for what could be described as a 'higher intervention'

[@williamzk9083]

@@lyricallyunwaxable1234 The claim that the German industry has been comprehensively dismissed by Tooze. The NS economy had been very successful at achieving full employment (and there was a massive labor shortage in Germany. Factories couldn't go on night shifts because there wasn't any labor to man them. Women couldn't be used in the factories because with the men in factories and the military they operated the farms. Germany still had managed, with effort and the haber bosch process to grow 80% to 85% of its food compared to Britain's 45%-50%. This meant a high proportion of Germany's woman power was devoted to food production. Britain of course obtained much from the USA in the form of lend lease and presumably still exported goods to pay for food imports. -The big upswing in German Armaments production from 1942 was not a result of Speers armaments miracle but carefull planing and investment in automation and mass production techniques that started to pay of. The production of Ju 88 bombers went from cost plus incentive to competitive tendering. Production batches went from dozens and hundreds to thousands. -Speer makes a fuss over cutting production of refrigerators (and prams) but I doubt that achieved anything much apart from more food spoilage and mothers spending more time carrying babies and shopping rather than working. -Germany was behind the US in mass production, no doubt so the Germans took a little longer to work it out. Tanks were produced by heavy machinery makers with little experience in mass production instead of Opel and Ford which were so new they were not trusted except for trucks of 2.5-3 tons or so.

[@mattbowden4996]

With regard to the Rammtiger photograph, it's definitely a fake. It's a picture of a model which was composited into a old photograph using traditional photomanipulation techniques. I know this because I happen to know the guy who built the model and created the picture for a modelling magazine back in the 90s - he was a regular customer at a specialist model shop I worked in a couple of years ago. The image was never intended to fool anyone and when it was originally published it was clearly stated to be a a bit of photo-trickery. However, the image has found it's way onto the internet without it's original disclaimer causing people to claim it as original.

[@mattbowden4996]

Actually, I've got the story slightly wrong. The picture was first published in MAFVA's "Tankette" magazine and the Editor didn't initially state it was a fake, putting that fact in a subsequent issue. This was done against the model makers wishes as the picture was only created for a bit of fun. Also, I think the picture was posted on the 2000's rather than the 90s, but I haven't been able to pin down the specific issue because I'm not a subscriber.

[@MTF-EPSILON-11-5-NULL]

What does the real deal look like

[@cjwrench07]

It makes so much sense to have it come from that 1980s-90s time period. Its when *The Greatest Generation* moniker was finally gaining pop culture traction; as they became the majority of the (politically over-represented) +65yr old voting block. Their self-congratulatory name was the complete opposite of the original *Scared Rabbit Generation* name given to them by their Parents & Grandparents’ generations. { Scared Rabbits, too afraid to venture out of their free homes or leave the comforts of socialist colleges; and demanding that “free citizens” should make room for Black people & Women in the workforce. • These were the popular tropes WW2 Correspondent, and post-war journalist & cartoonist, *Bill Maudlin* railed against in many of his editorials in magazines & newspapers in the 1946-1958 era }

[@mattbowden4996]

@@cjwrench07 What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Why don't you find someplace else to rant at clouds...

[@spaman7716]

The Henschel Tiger looks so iconic, but the Porsche Tiger just looks so clean 👌

[@spe-notapopularytbersus1237]

the drip of an automobile company

[@user-fe7bo5mm1o]

it doesn't

[@Augment_Failure]

Kelly's Hero's left me with the impression that this was what the OG Tiger looked like. Been in love with the Tiger (P) ever since. Truly, a beautiful tank.

[@grafgeo9194]

The idea of a combustion engine powering a generator powering the wheels electrically works well in trains and has done so for decades. This particular concept was great, even if not for a battle tank.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

But they were diesels.Porsche was gas,a whole different can of worms.

[@Appletank8]

Most hybrid cars use gas nowadays, I don’t think there would be that much of a difference as long as there’s proper cooling.

[@grafgeo9194]

Careful: 99% of hybrid cars on modern streets use their engines to power the wheels mechanically and therefore need a gearbox for transmission. The generator only generates electric energy while braking. Porsche instead did not use this kind of "range extension" an energy recycling. His tank engine permanently powered the generator instead of any gearbox. And there is the genius: no mechanical gearbox needed! For example the T34 meanwhile was prone to gearbox failures even with far less engine power.

[@williamzk9083]

The US T23 tank, a competitor with the M26 Pershing was also to have a GE electrodynamic drive. The problem with the electrodymamic drive in the Porche tank wasn't the ward-leonard system of dc generators and motors but the petrol engine. It takes many years to get an engine in service (6 years for an aero engine and not much less for a tank engine) Porche couldn't realistically get is flat 12 engine functioning in time to start production, there was simply no hope so they switched to a pair of Maybach HL120 engines as used in the Panzer III and Panzer IV. These just could be fitted in the planed area and ended up between the casement and driver. A DC motor or generator weighs about 350kg per 100kW so you would need 700kg (a 350kg DC generator and a 350kg DC motor) to transmit 100kw. For a 700hp/400kW engine that would mean 2.8 tons. (Maybe a bit more with switch gear, and conservative ratings). The system works by controlling the current through the field winding of the generator to control speed likely via rheostat. The field of the DC motors would allow a increase in torque at low speed. Thus providing both steering and transmission. It would save a pinion gear, two steering differentials, clutches, shafts etc.

[@Appletank8]

@@grafgeo9194 IIRC what you're describing is Parallel or Series-Parallel Hybrids, yes they are rarer, but Series Hybrids like Trains and Tiger P do exist in some vehicles. Nissan's (Japan only) hybrids are Series only, and Honda's newer hybrids are Series when below 50 mph.

[@ungooy]

Ahh....I've been waiting for this tank. Finally, the Hybrid-Tiger is here!

[@burningtank160]

le hybrid tiger has arrived

[@punisher3607]

Tigryd

[@samoldfield5220]

It's not a hybrid because it only has a single drivetrain. It's correctly classified as Petrol-Electric since it didn't have the ability to run off batteries.

[@Barten0071]

@@samoldfield5220 *puts holder for aa's on tiger*

[@stevehill4615]

​@@Barten0071 Don't be silly you'd need too many, probably SS type --- they could do anything ---- lol

[@the7observer]

Is funny how heavier tanks like the Tiger II were more of a hindrance than an advantage in the battle of the bulge

[@g8ymw]

The Germans in the Ardennes had the same problem as the Americans had in the Hurtgen forest. See AceDestroyer's vids on that battle.

[@old_guard2431]

Fun fact: as one would expect, there were a lot of Shermans left over after WW2, rendered obsolete by newer designs. Many were de-militarized and sold as surplus. A number were used for demolition. Drive a Sherman through a small or medium brick or frame structure a dozen times and your work was mostly done. I vaguely remember a Popular Mechanics article on this, late 1950s/early 1960s. (“Old Guard” = old)

[@justasimplegamer129]

You can't help but wonder where did that Command Variant go during that time before it was highly scrapped at the end of war. No photos of its demise apart from its last photo before battle..

[@bucky97]

Sounds like the perfect prompt for a History Channel "documentary" where they say it was actually a Nazi ufo or something lol

[@RedXlV]

We'll presumably never know, but the most likely outcomes are either that it was knocked out by Soviet guns or it was abandoned due to a breakdown. If it's the latter, then it was likely torched to prevent it from being captured intact, since that was standard practice at the time. Either way, its remains would've eventually ended up being scrapped by the Soviets. While they did preserve some captured tanks at Kubinka, a burnt-out husk wouldn't have any fate other than the scrapyard.

[@thetrueinferno7993]

@@RedXlV It's also possible that it was ditched in one of the bogs, like some other armored vehicles, to prevent capture. At least that is what I hope.

[@RedXlV]

@@thetrueinferno7993 That would be great if it got found in a bog. Unlikely be theoretically possible.

[@ARescueToaster]

It's surprising to find a new-ish military channel that isn't one of those many thousands of text-to-speech channels that rips content from articles, playing it over relevant video on loop. Good stuff!

[@tbone121974]

Very interesting. It does raise the question how the Tiger P had the reputation of having an unreliable transmission.

[@nikoclesceri2267]

Henschel propaganda

[@mrducky179]

might be that gup clip shown in the video

[@vidyaorszag]

​@@mrducky179 Nah it predates GuP. I remember people discussing it even back during the WoT Alpha test

[@RedXlV]

Probably because the Henschel Tiger had plenty of transmission problems of its own (especially early production examples), and the Porsche Tiger had an exotic transmission that was part of the reason it was rejected. Thus, widespread assumptions that the Porsche Tiger *must* have had even worse problems specifically with transmission failures (when in reality, it was just because Germany didn't have enough copper to go around, and diesel *electric* submarines without copper wires were impossible while tank transmissions that didn't need wires were very possible). How the meme progressed to Porsche Tiger transmissions *catching fire* on the other hand, I have no idea.

[@bdub1682]

i believe it stems from all the fires and such the ferdinand/elefants had at kursk

[@FireFan44]

I do like the thorough testing around sponsorship, as well as experimenting on friends and family

[@origami26]

So sad we don't have even one original surviving Tiger P. What an incredible piece this would have been for a museum...

[@_dimitri_1242]

I remember i unlocked this tiger in world of tanks not knowing how good it was. I then bought it in war thunder. And then i realized that there are two 100mm plates in the front giving it 200mm in the front. Then learned abouth the two engines and well, the more i learned, the more i fell in love with it. Kind of like meeting someone special.

[@pilotmic2109]

Its amazing to see the true story of this tiger see the light of day. I've been waiting for this video for a while and contrary to the pfp, I'm not a die hard German tank enjoyer rather the Porsche Tiger has always been an interest to me. Thanks for making a in depth and great video on this tank forgotten by most books out there!

[@ConeOfArc]

Highly recommend picking up a copy or finding an online version of the book by Jentz and Doyle if you haven't already. Way more info then I could fit into a video

[@co2oblivious627]

This is one of my three favorite tanks, I like the history about it, it is so fascinating. The Tiger (P) is the tank that I got really good at in World Of Tanks Blitz. For the fate of the command tank, I like to think it disappeared, vanished without a trace, only to be found someday in the future by a lucky individual.

[@BleedingUranium]

On the off chance it fell into a deep enough swamp/bog, that could theoretically happen, given how well the lack of oxygen preserves things.

[@rudatkatzn9171]

14:52 interestingly, you can here see the Panzer V/IV (if WoTs name is to be believed) which, if I recall correctly, was also a Command tank with the turret unable to move

[@AceDupuy]

Holy crap is that a Pz. IV/V at 14:47? could you do a video on that?

[@johnnymigouel7228]

Lmao i noticed that too

[@CallMe_Boris]

that looks so cursed lol

[@Rendell001]

Holy shit, good catch!

[@bf0019]

To be fair that tank did existed few in numbers near end of ww2 because its more like a stop gap tank because Germany is already low on resources so already existing panzer 4 turret on Panther hull is more efficient than creating new Panther turret because they already have lot of panzer 4s so it's easier to modify existing turret than making one from scratch..when you are low everything.

[@ObiWanStromboli]

Would love to see that in WoT or War Thunder

[@justinreilly6619]

In the film 'White Tiger' the filmmakers mocked up (I believe) a T-34 to look like a Tiger. At first I found the turret positioning to be a bit jarring (the turret being at the front rather than the middle of the tank), but in my mind, I turned it into a Tiger (P) and my vexed nature settled down! I rewatched a post by Mark Felton afterwards that a couple of these vehicles actually served on the Eastern Front. Thanks for the information on this vehicles development. 👍

[@acedogboy8421]

for white tiger theyactually had 1 tiger 1 made... from scratch everything correct. but the tank would have (and did) take like a year to make and production started earlier then that so they mocked up a IS tank for white tiger

[@justinreilly6619]

@@acedogboy8421 thanks for the information 👌

[@HeavyTanker-vx4oq]

FINALLY someone mentions the Command Tank being refitted with Maybach Engines! do we know specifically what engines they were? if i had to guess it was either the HL210, or the Smaller Maybach from the late Panzer IVs, the HL120, considering the engines fitted to the Porsche originally were V10s.

[@pavelslama5543]

It surely wasnt the HL210, as the engine kept its original 2 engine design, and 2 HL210 just would not fit into the engine compartment.

[@bachelorchownowwithflavor3712]

Two HL120s would have given about the same power.

[@calessel3139]

Most likely the HL120s

[@trainman7004]

Don't worry, the engines lives on in a modified version in use for the t-14 armada MBT

[@ConeOfArc]

No it doesn't, the Porsche tigers engine was gasoline not diesel and the Porsche diesel engines are 16 cylinder now 12 cylinders

[@trainman7004]

@ConeOfArc hmm, I had heard that in the new laser pig video, he claims it was a modified sla.16. Thanks for informing me, I'm gonna so some more research

[@ignasanchezl]

Really cool. Just yesterday I was reading on the VK 30.01 Porsche and the Maus. It seemed almost wierd to me that the Maus transmission was seen as very smooth running and easy to drive, also that the VK managed very good manueverabilty and I have not yet verified but it might be true that the unloaded hull managed 60kmh. Also the tanks should be capable of maximum speed on reverse which might have been seen as a mayor tactical advantage. Unfortunately Porsches V10 engines were ridiculously ineficient for some reason and the tank had terrible fuel consumption. Had Porsche developed his theoretical diesel engine or borrowed something else, the tank might have been even more interesting.

[@williamzk9083]

There were allied reports n the electrodynamic dirve, of the top of my head it weighed about 6 tons for Maus. I believe one technique for crossing a river was to have one maus power the drive of another by cable and the Maus would simply cross under water. The Germans had already developed the remarkable tauchpanzer a Panzer III with a long air hose and a gyroscopic navigation system to storm the British beaches.

[@_4ortex207]

Goddddd I just love Tiger (P) more than Tiger (H) its just so.. Amazing to make it simple even with its flaws I still love it and thank you Cone of Arc to talk about it finally thank you and have a good day :))

[@ObiWanStromboli]

When I’m more interested in that Pz4 turret on a Panther chassis than anything else said in this entire video 14:48

[@NobodyGoesREKT]

14:48 U should make a video about modified Panther hulls, like that in the picture of a Panther with the Panzer 4 turret at the back of the Porsche Tiger

[@thedreadednortherner2351]

A rather enlightening video i was always taught that the tiger(p) set its self alight during the initial trials just shows that there's still a fair bit to learn about the history of old armoured vehicles specially limited production/prototype vehicles. I wonder if it's stuck in some bog in Russia just waiting to be dug up and restored.... one can dream

[@YukariAkiyamaTanks]

Honestly I love this tank. Also didn't the vk4501 appear in your old intro?

[@SuperDarkSamurai1]

I think that it was just ahead of its time with its electric drive. I think it would be awesome to know what happened to Tiger P 003 and what became of it. Also liked the picture that had the Pzkpfw V/IV (Aufkl. Panzer Panther) at 14:45

[@endy8411]

Time traveller: moves a chair Porsche Tiger: becomes the chosen full production Tiger tank

[@The_Curious_Cat]

I think one other factor that made the Henschel to be chosen was the hull seems easier to produce. Most of the plates that make it are squarish and straight, almost blocky overall, while the Porsche Tiger has more plates in comparison and it has different angles on several of them, which in production just adds unnecessary complexity.

[@ghostdivison5439]

One interesting thing to note is that there is still a concrete turret from the VK 45.01P in germany according to Michael Fröhlich`s book on the vehicle

[@admiraltiberius1989]

Mr Porsche had some ideas...won't say they were all good ones but he at least had some.

[@crisr.8280]

I absolutely hated grinding through all the Tigers for World of Tanks with the exception of Tiger 2 German Tier 8 and Tiger 131 Japanese Tier 6 premium. I appreciate your videos with all the historical discussions grounding the reasonings of their design and development, but in-game, stats and performance are, shall we say, "character building"

[@bucky97]

Do you mean the Heavy Tank No. VI? Tiger 131 saw action in North Africa with the Germans

[@Thunder-54321]

Tiger 131 is the German Tiger I premium, the Japanese one is Heavy Tank No. VI They're pretty much identical, VI has a slightly lower radio range than 131 and is a tiny fraction heavier, and the shell costs and velocities are also slightly different.

[@crisr.8280]

Sorry about that. It's been almost two years since I last played the German line in WoT

[@Bv222freak]

What has always puzzled me is that although the Vk4501 P and the Henschel Tiger 1 have the same turret, both differ in War Thunder in one small detail. On the VK4501 P, the turret MG protrudes a bit from the turret, but not on the Tiger 1. So far I have not been able to find a hint on any photo whether this is true or not. So I don't know if Gaijin made a mistake with the models or not? ^^ Anyway, great video and thanks for your work!

[@dantejones1480]

14:47: So the Panzer V/IV IS real?! What a shock!

[@adamg7984]

That's what I said, I was like what the hell is that thing?! It didn't take long to identify it's a Panzer IV turret and Panther hull but, where did it come from and why is it with a Porsche Tiger?

[@b0brik976]

​​@@adamg7984 It was either an artillery spotter or a command tank. The original turret was most likely destroyed, so the workshop put in a Panzer 4 turret, but the turret itself was not working and was rather installed to make the tank look "armed". But I could be wrong, because I read about it quite a long time ago

[@adamg7984]

@@b0brik976 Thanks, friend! That's interesting stuff and I could see either reason making sense! It just needs to look armed to scare off enemy soldiers if it's just their for spotting or directing/commanding.

[@cjprowe5]

Always excited to see you upload, easily my favorite tank history channel

[@alessiobubbles5345]

-Ok Tiger, time to start your audience to be the next German heavy tank! Go! *Spontaneously combusts out of pity for its existence 🔥👀*

[@Watermelon-nh4sp]

14:50 is that a panther with a panzer 4 H turret, I would love to know more about that thing.

[@homesteadlegion4419]

That was a WoT premium tank at one point, i think it was called panzer IV/V there

[@Tundraviper41]

Did you know that Tiger 131 not only has a turret orginally made for the tiger P, but to get it to run again long after the war ended, it was given the engine of a first production tiger 2 with a Krupp turret that still exists today in a museum, but is immobile by itself.

[@M50A1]

What the hell does that first part mean, bro it's got a tiger 1 turret

[@Tundraviper41]

​@ashkectchumgamer, sorry about that. Now that I see it, it kinda does seem off and confusing, I will correct it.

[@BleedingUranium]

So the Tiger II that donated the engine is also still around too? That's super cool. :D

[@hashbrown_blitz8869]

14:47 the tank behind the tiger p looks like a panzer 4 turret in a panther hull

[@Randy-bv9kf]

Yes the Porsche Tiger Video, I've been waiting for this Video, great work ConeOfArc

[@aidanacebo9529]

I have to say, I'm pretty knowledgeable when it comes to tanks. I have never heard of the Derek Brooks Foggen, as the subtitles so eloquently put it.

[@jackbower8671]

Thank you for giving us these great and through videos!

[@inductivegrunt94]

The Porche Tiger will always be an interesting design, especially with its choice of electronic transmission and other components like the bogey suspension. It makes one wonder how the poor transmission rumor came to be. Not to mention the question of "What if Porche was selected over Henshel in the Tiger contest?" But let's not forget its greatest modification added to it. The turbo boost that allowed it to rocket forward at great speed.

[@norbertblackrain2379]

Great and balanced discussion of this vehicle, its history and context.

[@ThePussukka]

Great episode, thank you!!

[@od1452]

Great video... A similar story is the DB Panther Design...( Great idea for a topic hint hint ) it almost happened and it might have produced a lighter Panther which could have been better . People focus on the first "T34 copy" and overlook the later rival design. Read " Professor Porsche's Wars " and you'll see he was building successful electric / gas powered vehicles before WW1. The idea was sound but copper was an issue during the war . I have read French "volunteer" workers calmed they would sabotage panther transmissions.. I think it is possible that many of the duds and breakdowns suffered by the Nazis could have been the results of forced labor sabotage . Porsche was not just a guy with Mega designs.... he was an engineer who wanted to built what the customer wanted... He saw it as his duty and a challenge. It is interesting to note that even the critic Guderian ( when referring to the mobil pillbox use of the Maus) said "With100 Panzers like the Maus, I'll hold the Eastern front." Hitler 1942 thought Tank armor and guns would get so big that the only way to get a head of it was to build a massive tank... Some of these "crazy" ideas aren't quite as crazy as we might think when we look closer. .... and their critics may be very misinformed . Thanks.. Oh... check out the 2nd tank in the background at 14:47 ... it looks kinda like a Panzer IV turret on a Panther kind of hull.... what is that? An illusion?

[@ODST6262]

No. The 653 had three unique vehicles. Well, actually six. The Tiger I(P) and the three Tiger I (P) recovery vehicles. There was also a Panther tank recovery vehicle with the Panzer IV turret mounted, and at least one T34 with the German Quad 20mm Flak mount replacing the turret.

[@johninnh4880]

Excellent informative video. Thanks for making this.

[@kunalroy9735]

Keep it up brother 💪 U have nice voice and skills, I will support you, Waiting for new and fascinating ancient and modern base

[@projectw.a.a.p.f.t.a.d7762]

They really did have some beautiful machines.

[@michaelkang891]

I recall from other book sources that tiger p 003 command tank actually served for a few month until it was destroyed in July 44 sometime during bagration, it had over 40 to 50 tank kills

[@Dreachon]

It served yes, but the claim that it had a certain amoutn of kills is just a nonsense claim made by tat fraud Mark Felton, though his video on the TigerP has a lot of mistakes in it.

[@Masterpoop2018v2]

i absolutely love this tank, i use it everytime i play warthunder 5.7 german ground

[@KaihanDTuna]

Nice new opening for Cursed By Design! Love it

[@adrianquintanar5696]

I cannot abide any video that contradicts the unassailable documentary series Girls Und Panzer. Good day sir

[@TimothyJeynes]

Heya Cone! This is my first ever KZbin comment and I do it with a simple ask and/or suggestion. A while ago, I started doing twitter threads in the vain of your videos, so one of the threads was on the Panther tank. When I did a few segments on the captured Panthers, I couldn’t find anything on the French Panthers and could only find a few pictures of some Polish Panthers, one of which I have a model of! So my ask/suggestion is if you could tell the stories of Pudel, Fennick and their French and Russian cousins. I simply posted here because I LOVE the Porsche Tiger, unironically. Keep up the good work, otherwise.

[@Mayonayse]

You might wanna post on a new video

[@general.skullfaceimperial1050]

1:23 Hey! I recognize that galley! that's the galley of the Nautilus! she's a museum ship just outside of my home base

[@andrewwoodhead3141]

Thanks for all your myth busting . I really mean that. You are doing a great job.

[@tonkman351]

14:48 THE PZ V/IV IS REAL

[@pax6833]

Never knew one made it to the front. That's actually a really neat bit of trivia.

[@onenote6619]

Shortages of rare elements caused at least some of the problems in final drives of German tanks. Not only did the drives themselves have to be made from inferior steels, but the machine tools used to make them also had to use inferior cutting edges. This meant that the drives had to use a simpler type of gear that was even less resistant to breaking.

[@adamg7984]

Excuse me, but at 14:49 is that a Panther hull with a Panzer IV Turret? Can we talk about that?

[@eruseanaceshotya9945]

I do love the 911 and vw Beatle I wonder what the desiniger did before

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

14:41 If the movie "White Tiger" was realistic, that Tiger P would have been the unkillable Tiger that Naydenov was assigned to defeat

[@Add12pack]

This is literally my favorite tank in war thunder as only heat/heat-fs can really pen it at its br.

[@SamuelSamj]

You mean it's command variant? Because the original one only have 103mm of the front armour

[@theoneandonlyartyom]

perfect tank for the tiger guys which dont even try to angle

[@rizkidary837]

​​​@@theoneandonlyartyom because if tiger P angle it make another weakspot

[@SamuelSamj]

@@rizkidary837 i think to counter the weak front plate for it's BR people should play it hull down with it speed it could go somewhere like a hulldown position

[@theoneandonlyartyom]

@@rizkidary837 i meant the tiger H or E not the tiger 2

[@kori7986]

Another amazing video, just curious if you could do a video on the WOT Chinese light tank line?

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

The Porsche hull seems much better in that it allows a shorter profile and has more potential for armor upgrades, as well as its running gears being easier to repair with it not having interleaved roadwheels. If there was an executive decision to use Porsche's hull but with Henschel's inner workings, this version of Tiger 1 might've been a slightly better version of the Tiger 1 we know today. The Porsche type 101 engine just has to go, preferably replaced with Henschel's HL210 or HL230, but I can actually see the electric drives being used instead, especially because the additional torque allows for much heavier armour modifications.

[@nightshade4873]

i certainly did not know that the Commander Variant had Maybach engines retrofitted in them, now that makes sense how they would've worked and gotten to some groups, now i wonder if there were Ferdinands/Elefants that also were retrofitted with Maybach engines (with the electric transmission still in place) 14:47 Tiger P and the little chonky brother Panzer IV/V some technical questions i have. in the case of the foaming, it might be coinciding with the reports at the time of German engine Oil and Fuel becoming more "watery", coming from Greg's Automobiles and Airplanes video on german aircraft fuel, which iirc started around late 1941, so the Porsche designers could've not accounted for it, i also think the Air-cooled aspect of the design would've also contributed as that would've quite a limited cooling capacity than a water cooling which would lead to oil boiling inside the engine. i find it quite fascinating now that the electric motors were not the issues for the "rapid unscheduled disassembly" of the engines, which again could be attributed to the Air-Cooling system, considering that Submarines at the time could run with their motors hard even with very little cooling from the surrounding water. when you mentioned the hydraulic systems to be mounted, would these refer to something similar to that of the Panzer IV Hydrostat? or was it to be something different? for what i understand, with the hydrostatic transmission, this would've given the tank similar amount of mobility with minimal complexity as the Merrit-Brown style triple differential transmission that was used on the Henschel Tiger (and the Churchill), though as Chieftain once noted that there were very little or immutable complaints about the maintenance and use of such transmission. anyways, cheers!

[@EnRandomSten]

It would not have been known as one of the tanks of all time if it wasnt for its qualities

[@c.c.a.s5005]

Great video! Also great intro but I prefer the old one.

[@SonaNerikov]

14:48 anybody also noticed that panther with panzer IV H turret?

[@pasanaator9874]

The porsche tiger's biggest issue was its cooling, which due to the engine compartment being relatively cramped meant that the engines didn't have adequate cooling. This lead to them overheating when full power was used from them, when climbing hills for example.

[@Aomnidroid]

For me the tiger p is my favorite German tank in WW2, and i always get my older brother annoyed but called it the superior tiger tank. I just like the look of turret moved more forward then the Henschel design ,just something about the tiger p makes me happy

[@zomaardan]

Thank you sir for the upload

[@Donkey_Armored]

It just feels good to have a vehicle (tractor) created by some legendary tank/car/tractor designer

[@kylermccormick.social5786]

Casually makes the most subtle sponsor segment transition

[@MGB-learning]

One of my favorites tanks.

[@LecherousMan]

At 14:48 is that a Panther hull with a panzer 4 h/j turret? at the back

[@Dis_Play22]

“It has become a running joke that German tanks are prone to mechanical failures”. If that’s the case, then the jokes run better then the tanks 😂

[@gideonbudd8945]

I never heard of the Porsche Tiger before but I kind like the design more (am I weird ?) (1st minute)

[@LastGoatKnight]

I like it better too, eventhough the Henschel design is one of my favourite.

[@bucky97]

Nah the Porche tiger is sleek while the henschel tiger was just a box with a turret haha

[@gideonbudd8945]

​@@bucky97 lol

[@gideonbudd8945]

​@@LastGoatKnight I agree I like both but I strangely like the Porsche Tiger more.

[@somethingtoputonpizza6667]

yeah I like it more too but I don't want to die in a fire

[@mecadragoon]

14:47 pz4 turret on panther hull? why do the tracks go from big to small?

[@8-random258]

I waited a long time for this...Worth

[@LukeBunyip]

14:47 ?!? A PzIV turret on a Panther hull?!?

[@juliosatriarahman2786]

9:11 reminds me of the tiger in the movie "the white tiger"

[@vikimeciar7865]

finally you Made video abaut tiger p

[@bjboss1119]

14:48 There are 2 cursed things in that photo and we only have an answer to one

[@Unfassbarer]

Danke! Good video.

[@18BMB]

Hey i know where that is at 1:17, its at the american heritage museum in Massachusetts, the tank in the background is a sherman, and the parts are for it!

[@Alloy211]

At 14:48 there's a photo used with the Porsche Tiger sitting on a train with what appears to be a Panther hull with a Panzer IV turret on it. I'm not sure whether it's a photographic illusion or I'm not seeing something right. But I haven't seen that before. Also really enjoyed the video and all of your content.

[@wyverncoch4430]

I was thinking exactly the same thing, so started looking through the comments to see if anyone else had noticed it. apparently they had :D

[@Alloy211]

@@wyverncoch4430 After I had reassured myself it looked like a Panzer IV gun mantle I did the same thing before I commented. I'm just glad I'm not the only one that thought it looked like that.

[@homesteadlegion4419]

I had that one in WoT, was a premium tank and was one of my favourites to use :D

[@Alloy211]

@@homesteadlegion4419 I could see why lol

[@CT9905.]

It was ahead of its Time and with so few Materials required to Build it!

[@thekringe4387]

Whats the funky panzer 4 turret panther hull tank at 14:50?

[@marknerfandtankvlogs]

Idk if anyone notices but in 14:48 is that a panther with a panzer 4 turret with it's shurtzen on?

[@stijnVDA1994]

Wich tanks did get the porsche drive system? I remember natgeo talk about another tank failing on the test in front of adolf. Wether it was the maus or tiger 2 i can't remember at the moment nor wich documantairy, might come back to this..

[@Terrados1337]

(H) Tigers have notoriously hard to maintain suspension. Would the torsion bar bogie have any advantage in that department? What would those bogies even weigh? They seem gigantic compared to what was mounted on medium tanks at that time. Then there's other aspects: Putting more vulnerable part outside the armor is risky but it also vastly increases internal volume. Or as shown in the (P) vs (H) comparison, allows for a much lower hull. So there's that. I'd imagine bogies introduce atleast some more moving parts and points of failure, then again production might be simpler or atleast cheaper. So much to think about!

[@dionvandervelde47]

I love the intro my dude

[@vangard9725]

HL engines in general had a tendency to catch fire when revving high or stalling, or when you shift up a gear roughly.

[@tobiasfreitag2182]

The affinity of Ferdinand Porsche for electric drives seems to be kind of a running gag. But people seem not to know that Porsche had very good experiences with this kind of system. Turing ww1 he designed a tractor-trailer combo for the famous Skoda 30,5 cm mortar where the tractor was mainly a generator for the electrical driven axles of the trailers giving the disassembled mortar unrivaled mobility. This system was so successful that the wehrmacht still used them in ww2 with captured Czech 30,5 cm mortars that where used at the sige of Sevastopol.

[@iberiksoderblom]

The higher complexity in the drivetrain and the higher cost is also important in wartime production.

[@ussneworleans7490]

German main tiger 1 best tank of ww2 p47: im gonna end this mans whole career