What If France Won The War Of Spanish Succession?

[@shubhanjalshukla3879]

Crazy to see how Spain was once a Habsburg Nation then a Bourbon One and could have possibly had an Hollenzorf king.

[@SirBoggins]

That'd be an interesting althistory to do!

[@piratamaia]

You mean Spain

[@shubhanjalshukla3879]

​@@piratamaiaoh yea sorry

[@piratamaia]

​@@shubhanjalshukla3879no problem Funny that Spain is the heir to the Bourbon dynasty, having a Bourbon king to this day

[@Snp2024]

​@@shubhanjalshukla3879what u wrote before editing?

[@funnyman8542]

I would love a 'what if everything went perfect for the netherlands' due to the massive empire they held being crushed due to 'bad luck'

[@moonshinei]

not quite that but you’re gonna love an upcoming video

[@sheep7]

I agree!

[@DariaDarikhuu-uw2tg]

id see that

[@dblum]

By bad luck don’t you mean the British taking all their colonies plus supporting Belgium in their independence

[@LN37275]

Scenario idea: what if Hitler just failed immediately. The 1940 offensives fail and the second world war is really just a regional crisis that fizzles, not a Great War.

[@AmirSatt]

That was extremely likely to happen

[@RomanumChristum]

@@AmirSattye, only problem is France just kinda…declared war then sat there

[@r2baz990]

This would have happened if France and the UK did invade Germany when they declared war.

[@Wertzuio]

@@r2baz990 there was a french naval invasion tho. you dont know that because it got annihilated

[@Juan-qu4oj]

@@WertzuioNot the Saar Offensive so what?

[@damienc.6448]

I would be REALLY interested in a continuation of this scenario.

[@ryannathaniel9296]

An alternate War of Austrian Succession and Seven Years War in this timeline would be interesting to explore

[@reavdeath5854]

Would be good

[@quempire2656]

This is why j don’t really like this guy because he doesn’t continue videos or go intk the 1900s often

[@johnmcg5865]

​@quempire2656 the video is 19mins long... he's already giving you probably close to double what the average is for the genre

[@quempire2656]

@@johnmcg5865 Most of it isnt the scenario.

[@SirBoggins]

We shouldn't forget the large Calvinist community in Hungary, which could mean that Eastern Europe may be more open to Protestant Christianity, which could be considered as a threat to the Orthodox/Papal churches and their local influences & powers throughout the Balkans to Russia even.

[@pika7592]

Hungary would be even more of an "alien nation" in the area XD

[@SirBoggins]

@@pika7592 ✝️🇭🇺

[@genovayork2468]

Hungary is very far from Eastern Europe.

[@AntiFurry927]

@@genovayork2468wrong

[@genovayork2468]

@@AntiFurry927 Lol, learn geography. Hungary is in South-Central Europe.

[@Theth3]

This video gives me a scenario idea: What if everything went perfect for spain?

[@notlucas6859]

i agree with this

[@mqdboy9278]

Literally a Spanish World Empire scenario

[@FBI.capturo.gente.rara.]

Some things: union with the Portuguese empire, invade China, invade Cambodia, invade Borneo, conquer or just Christianize Japan, try to find Australia and colonize it, etc.

[@Theth3]

@@InsertAccount Then europe would be agreeing that Portugal could take their lands

[@ricardoandre7049]

@@Theth3 No cause the treaty only aplied to uncolonized lands. Aka Africa and the americas.

[@locusbellum]

what if everything went perfect for the austrian empire

[@AmirSatt]

It would mean more funny jaws

[@ryannathaniel9296]

@@moonshinei 🤣

[@nicbahtin4774]

It can't It's imperfect by design

[@SirBoggins]

I'd love to see a video on if the Iberian Union hadn't been the mess it was and if it had stayed united to fight for Catholics amongst europe! 🇪🇸🇵🇹

[@1vangm484]

And maybe without the Hasburgs, with Miguel da Paz surviving as a heir to Portugal, Castile, Aragon (and later Navarre). Only maintaining an alliance with Austria instead of a dynastical union.

[@SirBoggins]

​@@1vangm484Cool! Kinda like Charles V/Carlos II!!

[@aaronTGP_3756]

​@@1vangm484Yes, that would be more acceptible to the rest of Europe. Especially France.

[@minestar2247]

Portugal tried to mess with morroco, and found out the hard way

[@GlizzyGoblin757]

@@minestar2247and then morocco fell to france anyway

[@Fourbix]

I think the idea that France would give half of italy to Savoy rather than creating a new kingdom of naples offsets me a lot. Another thing you didn't mention is that a France with more control over the land could have went into a way larger naval build up, especially under Louis the 14th, wich could have been able to prevent the british to become absolutely dominant in Europe. Also even if i believe that Bavaria will get rewarded, the idea that Louis the 14th will concede the entire lowlands is quite ridiculous to me. In fact in your scenario, France litteraly gets almost nothing out of the war. Literally just a little bit of the alpine fronteer (poor region at the time) and an alliance with little to no guaranties. France doesnt even acquire a part of Lorraine, no catalonia wich was part of France for centuries and could help them control the coast and push back muslim pirates, neither any isles. It looks more like a stalemate than a victory to me, even when considering historical factors.

[@Freedmoon44]

The problem with all of that is that France by that point may have been the strongest single power in Europe by military might alone, but the Spanish succession war happened right after another coalition war which ended in Status quo solely because of the Spanish situation, this is France after essentially 2 decades of British naval blocade, with an economy weary from decades of near constant state of war due to Louis XIVth agressive war and diplomacy aswell as the building of the palace of Versaille which by itself already strain the economy. France didnt seek to extand its land that much ultimately, it sought to become the Hegemonic power of Europe like Austria/Spain was previously which created the Franco-Ottoman alliance to offset this (France being strong enough militarily and economically to stand up to the union, just not winning alone during those days). And this scenario makes it just that, Spain and France will probably unite, Phillip would probably find a way to get rid of Louis silently while Phillip of Orleans is busy struggling with the early days of his regency filled with compromises, and either way the Brits didnt get free access into the Spanish Empires trade, nor too much in the Mediteranean, weakening their growth, while the Austrian Empire is already on the backfoot as an Hungarian independance would make the Bohemian rise in revolt at one point while Hungary itself serves as both a buffer with the Ottomans and a pain in the butt. Prussia now has to deal with a proper germanic rival in Bavaria supported by France (considering the investment Franxe made with its own Germanic ally you can bet itll try to protect it, btw yes likely that France did expand into some border territories in the lowlands but not too much) Spain and France together actually becomes a decent threat to the Royal Navy meaning more investment into the royal navy and less in the army or less foreign support. Yada yada yada

[@genovayork2468]

Because he doesn't know shit about history, that's why. He's an HOI4 obsessed who loses it when talking about anything before 1800. It's sad some say he's the fresh hope of KZbin alternate history. Naples already existed then, in the Iberian PU. Louis XIV was 75 at the end of the war, no way he would've been the one to make any significant change in the navy after the war. Rest, of course, you're right.

[@joaquinrodriguez227]

@@Freedmoon44 "Spain and France together actually becomes a decent threat to the Royal Navy " Dude, Spain and Britain were literally on the same level until Trafalgar and the War of Spanish Independence, the idea of Britain as a Hegemonic naval power before that is just propaganda

[@Freedmoon44]

@@joaquinrodriguez227 i never said it was hegemonic i said it would pose a decent threat, because we can only speculate And to its credit, considering the Royal did triomph over the Spaniard and french fleet litteraly less than 30 years later to claim hegemony, granted spain was a bit weaker but it was mainly on the continent. I think it Safe to say in any 1v1 the English would likely win because they dedicated their entire doctrine to naval warfare while Spain still has to keep up with the continental powers. If you however threw in a Trafalgar early without Nelson i doubt they would get a similar result a century early. Either way i was considering future consequences in mind, even if we go by Spain and UK have equal strenght in fleet, France would be the tipping point. Therefore the British would DEFINITLY invest massively in develloping its own fleet further to match it and possibly surpass it, at the cost of his land armies, like usual, if youd like i can always take away decent and it works exactly as intended still

[@clementbianchini8651]

@@joaquinrodriguez227moreover you might be surprised but under Louis XIVth France navy was actually the second in Europe below the British one, it was later disbanded to reduced military spending

[@solelak]

Back to some more traditional Alternate History content, loving it!

[@SirBoggins]

Yea, it was getting annoying.

[@achaeanmapping4408]

I would guess that Hungary would have also conquered Croatia, due to it historically being a part of the Hungarian crown and the strategic importance sea access Also, I don't get why France would seed so much in a treaty with the British, surely with Austria knocked out of the war, they could turn their eyes towards firstly retaking the Lowlands and secondly gaining their natural borders down south without making Savoy, an enemy state, able to threaten them by gaining southern Italy

[@winsonzhu4427]

I think my biggest issue with this scenario is Savoy getting Sicily and Naples, while being an enemy of France during a French victory. The thumbnail gave it away, but imo it’d be far more likely some distant relative of the French royal family gets Naples while Sicily goes to a neutral Italian power that isn’t landlocked like Savoy is, such as Genoa or Tuscany. (Assuming no major dynastic ties between them and one of the belligerents)

[@ryannathaniel9296]

@@winsonzhu4427 Genoa is a republic, so there wouldn't be any dynastic shenanigans if they took Sicily

[@GeneralYen]

The study of the historical war aims of France shows that this scenario was quite possible. France knew they could not annex the Spanish Netherlands, and that the Spanish could not protect them. Hence the gift to an ally, the Elector of Bavaria, who was the Governor of the Spanish Netherlands before the War. A strong Bavaria was the most intelligent way of weakening the Habsburg power in Germany. France would have thus more gained with that solution than taking "Belgium" for itself (which was unacceptable of both GB and the Dutch). However, I'm not sure the Italian scenario is realistic. I think they would have taken Savoy-Piemont and given Milan to the duke of Savoy in exchange (it was one of the French proposals) ; but Naples would have been kept by Spain ; losing both Milan and the Netherlands was already quite difficult to accept for Spain, which did not have the same interests than France. The French interests were to use the undefendable Spanish territories to bargain and increase their power and weaken their enemies'.

[@genovayork2468]

Correction: Hungary *maybe* would have *tried* to conquer Croatia. 1) Succeeding is at the alternate historian's hands. 2) It had been Habsburg since Ferdinand I's first war with Süleyman I, so I don't see why you set the imperative.

[@andryuu_2000]

​@@winsonzhu4427in this timeline france remained on france side

[@simsportif]

"What if France won the war of spanish succession?" /Proceeds to put France in an unfavorable stalemate, gives her little to no gains while granting its enemies all of the concessions/ The most baffling part is the spanish netherlands. Louis XIV spent his reign trying to conquer them and now that he's in a (supposedly) strong position he'd willingly abandon the prospect? nonsensical.

[@andryuu_2000]

England wouldn't make it possible

[@dawoifee]

Losing wars often puts pressure on states to do reforms. This might be a Chance vor Austria to do better in the future, rebuild a better military. Also the bavarian Netherlands would propably revolt at some point, because that is what they do.

[@genovayork2468]

No, they did not revolt under 300 years of Habsburg governance, the Catholic Wittelsbachs wouldn't make any difference.

[@DonutOfNinja]

Austria would also become a contender for German unification as they wouldn't be held back by the Hungarian nobility

[@genovayork2468]

@@DonutOfNinja You say it like it was impossible for Austria to unite Germany in our timeline.

[@DonutOfNinja]

@@genovayork2468 it was definitely impossible during the 19th century because the Hungarian nobility feared giving the Germans so much power

[@genovayork2468]

@@DonutOfNinja You don't know what "impossible" means.

[@wildviper]

The Bavarian Empire will be instoppable

[@erickromero5638]

Scenario Idea: What if Venecia united Italy with their greeks domains?

[@skiteufr]

What if France won the war of Spanish succession ? But France WON the war of spanish Succession. They defended the country from foreign invasion at Denain and won the crown of Spain to give it to Louis XIV's grandson, turning Spain, a longtime enemy of France, into an ally. This was the main French goal

[@joebone9421]

You should do a scenario on what if Europe had a naturally occurring high-calorie crop. Like, what if the potato was naturally occurring in Europe

[@LN37275]

As with most changes, Roman Galactic Empire is the most reasonable result

[@beepbop6542]

​@@LN37275Quite the opposite. High yield low effort crops would strengthen less centralized but still agricultural states.

[@arvaakuka8568]

@@LN37275 Europe conquered the world with the power of dairy, not crops

[@joshfeehan6929]

You do know the potato is indigenous to Europe right?

[@jadenoliveras717]

@@joshfeehan6929my ranked teammates be like

[@Davidman69]

Scenario idea: What if the Polish seized the Russian Throne?

[@JarekHardysz]

they did

[@Davidman69]

As in for longer than two years.

[@vini333go3]

I think in future of this scenario there could be no partisions of PLC. Habsburgs are too weak, and PLC has now ally in Hungary, because this two nations are allways close friends, and have common enemies in Habsburgs and Ottomans. Not to mention that Francis II Rákóczi, leader of Hungarian uprising before that was hiding in Poland. Ottomans still would opose partision as they were in our timeline, cause stronger Russia is never good to them. But lets go back to first half of this century. After Great Northern War and later death of August II Sa(u)s Stanisław Leszczyński is elected as King in 1733. His atitiude was mostly pro France and wanted to centralize state, to make PLC Great Again, but in our timeline intervension from Russia and Prussia made him abdicate and leave the PLC, and go to France where he lived to his death in 1766. But in our new Timeline where France is Stronger and already have one ally in Central Europe (Hungary), Hungary will help Leszczyński and with aid from France Leszczyński will stay on Throne and Reform Country, somthing that August III Failed to do. And now we are in the middle of century, with stronger, more centalized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, in Alliance with Hungary and France thanks to mariage between Maria Leszczyńska and Louis XV. If Seven Years War happens in this timeline, Commonwealth will probably stay neutral or aid France, but if Habsburgs were fighting on British side, wich in this timeline is possible, Hungary and PLC will Join on French Side. this would make war on continent little more balanced, but i think we can give victory to Polish and Hungarians in central europe, by the help of Russia, when in the sea, Britain still rules the waves. I think Poland would take part of Silesia from Prussia, or even finaly retake East Prussia if there was some kind of mirracle of Polish warfare. Hungary woud retake Croatia in this war. I thing that it's even likely to happen to king of Hungary to be elected as King of PLC after Death of Leszczyński, but i'm not sure. In Elections of 1769 (Leszczyński dies in this scenario 3 years later, he is a King after all) 3 main Candidates for Polish Throne, Leszczyński's son, King of Hungary and somone from/or backed by Czartoryski Familia, maybe even Stanisław August Poniatowski. What happens after that, is up to you PH. I'm not brave enough to thing about future wars, revolution and napoleon.

[@andryuu_2000]

Would Napoleon even be French

[@dengronebaronen5260]

What if Sweden won the great northern war.

[@SirBoggins]

SECONDED!

[@stargazer-elite]

Yes

[@davea6314]

All automobiles on this planet would only be Volvos and Saabs, and the only music available would be ABBA and Swedish folk music. It would be a criminal offensive not to eat your Swedish meatballs... Lol 😜

[@SirBoggins]

@@davea6314 🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪

[@MoroccoCountryballs]

That would change nothing. Sweden is doomed from the strart.

[@townsley2]

The f..k are you talking about? France WON the war of Spanish succession! It won territories in Spain and imposed Louis XIV's grandson (Philippe V) on the throne of Spain. French Bourbons kings still reign over Spain today!

[@Das-ist-k-ein-VIRUS]

It was a compromise between the French and everyone else, France wanted all of Spain

[@MatteoBonardo]

yes but Philippe had to back down on his french throne ambitions and it was more a compromise than a France victory

[@fruti7040]

​@@MatteoBonardo Yep, beside the territorial changes mentioned in the video, France had to made important concession in north America with paved the way to the 7 years war dominance of England in America. France also had to evacuate some territories in Belgium and on the east bank of the Rhines that's been conquered in previous wars. Spain also had to cede Majorque and Gibraltar to England.

[@dengronebaronen5260]

What if France won the Franco prussian war.

[@MoroccoCountryballs]

Nice, but we want a serious version though

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

What if Napoleon III won the franco-Prussian war

[@SirBoggins]

No German Empire.

[@MoroccoCountryballs]

That is an interesting idea.

[@Kaiser_von_Europa]

can you do what if everything went perfectly for austrian empire or what if america was still a british colony but napoleanic war still happens and britain loses it

[@LN37275]

The problem is that there is no realistic way they hold onto colonial power indefinitely. If they withhold rights they rebel, if they give the vote then eventually the center of gravity changes and America essentially reverse colonises Britain. Eventually you'd have like three American voters for every English one

[@trogil775]

What if Habsburg wins the war of Spanish succession, completely roll over France and install a puppet in France as "Spanish France" (Very creative name, ik)

[@GeneralYen]

The maximum war aim of Austria would have been to completely seize Spain ; not destroy France. The other powers wouldn't have let them be that dominant.

[@genovayork2468]

@@GeneralYen That wasn't maximum, 😂🤣🤣, what proof do you have for that? (None.) A Habsburg victory with French cessions doesn't mean France being destroyed, lmao. Habsburg aims would augment according to the situation on land. Returning the borders to pre-Nijmegen, pre-Pyrénées, pre-Osnabrück and of course milder combinations of them are valid. Even other lands of the former Burgundian kingdom would've been on the table.

[@GeneralYen]

@@genovayork2468 Yes, the maximum, but the maximum within what was really possible at that time. You don't define a war aim if you know that the rest of Europe will league against you if you take it. It is the standard of the diplomacy of the age to keep his ambitions down, so that one's revendications will be accepted by other states. This is why in the end of his reign Louis XIV had renounced to annex the Spanish Netherlands : he knew it was not viable in the long term for France, because it would be like a permanent casus belli for the Dutch and British. However, a good French war aim would have been to annex Savoy and give Milan to the Duke in exchange (at the expanse of the Spanish...). It was indeed a possibility studied by French diplomats at a time. Moreover, think of Napoleon's "diplomacy" : he destroyed the power of his opponents, so that they always wanted to fight him. Scholars today argue that if he had a softer diplomacy, he would have less dominated Europe, but his conquests would have been more durable. But he was a "all or nothing" guy, at least at the end of his reign. It was not like that during the "Westphalian Era". For the rest of your argument, I quite agree with you, it doesn't contradict what I meant to say : the comment I responded talked about "completely roll over France and install a puppet in France". That's destroying an independent French power, to me, even without a loss of territory. But of course you can think of other ultimate destructions, like you argued.

[@genovayork2468]

@@GeneralYen You wrote things parallel to the question. You unfoundedly said the maximum Habsburg aims would've been fully taking "Spain" (which wouldn't even exist until 1715). You need to prove it. Which you won't be able to because it's stupid.

[@GeneralYen]

​@@genovayork2468 A very well rounded argument, thank you very much. I did bring arguments about what the "maximum war aim" means. But you want "the proof" ? It's simple : the works about the Austrian diplomacy of the age show that their most ambitious declared war aim (sidenote : a war aim being what you declare wanting at the beginning of a conflict) in this war was indeed to put a Habsburg on the throne and to take all the Spanish possessions. This was the point of the WSS. This is the maximum they could achieve because they knew they couldn't have had more. And why ? well, I've already said why in my upper "parralel" comment, as you've said : conquests were limited by diplomacy in that era. Besides, the other allies were very clear they didn't want Austrian hegemony, and when the pretender Charles became Emperor, they became very much reluctant tio put him on the Spanish throne. You can have a different opinion, and I will be pleased to respond to it peacefully, but I beg you to propose arguments, not despise arguments from others, please.

[@nicolasrvg3803]

Bro, France HAS won this War lmao, that's why Spain still has Bourbon kings, until nowadays

[@JarekHardysz]

the war was a compromise HE SAID IT HIMSELF BRO

[@Thunderworks]

Dude, France actually won the War of the Spanish Succession... It's not a defeat in France, it's a victory. The last decisive battles in Spain and in France were French victories. The Bourbon is still in the Spanish throne, even today. This is another attempt for an anglophone guy to rewrite history.

[@apineapple3177]

What

[@joaojonito3764]

It was more of a compromised end

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Great video! The bourbons would have fallen! Suggestion: Everything went perfecto For Austria AEIOU!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

What if HRE Charles VI son survived and there was no war of austrian succession?

[@SirBoggins]

Or maybe on if Maria Theresa married Frederick the Great.

[@genovayork2468]

@@SirBoggins From the Baltic to the Adriatic, one PU. It is interesting how that would factor in with the Franco-Austrian entente after the war of our timeline. When could this have taken place?

[@MauventuresMaurio]

Can you possibly make this secnario:What if Mexico won the Mexican-American war

[@lmpeto94]

Savoy: *losing war to France* Also Savoy: STONKS

[@bladefox-ik5iy]

What if the Von Habsburgs were Protestant?

[@Sim4oo]

What if France won the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-1871?

[@rolandzarka5191]

They would have kept Alsace-Lorraine régions. What they will succeed later after the WW1.

[@PizzaChess69]

Video idea: What if everything went perfect for Italy?

[@Stefan0R8]

What version of Italy?

[@theholydu]

there is a similar idea being worked on by 'possible history' which takes place in an alt-history world where italy was competent through ww1 oogh

[@RomanumChristum]

@@theholyduItaly wasn’t really incompetent in WW1. It’s just trench warfare in the alps isn’t going to be easy for any nation competent or not

[@KainDestinedAscension]

​@@RomanumChristummfw the 69th battle of the ionzo river

[@RomanumChristum]

@@KainDestinedAscension yeah, trench warfare in the alps

[@thenamesianna]

What if the Safavid Empire defeated the Ottmans during the reign of their first Shahanshah ?

[@genovayork2468]

He was Shah, not Shahanshah.

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

Defeated how? I can't really imagine them taking and holding Anatolia, much less the Balkans.

[@accountthatillusetocomment3041]

What if Spain didn't lose Latin America due to the Napoleonic Wars?

[@yagoruizendo6863]

HISPANIC America not Latin america

[@Ajolote_comunista]

Spain no had latín America, they had HISPANIC America

[@alegp97]

some regions would have claimed independence anymay, but probably later, more slowly, consciously and prudently

[@them.m.sgamer8017]

Scenario idea here too: what if Kaiser Wilhelm 2 was raised by his grandfather Kaiser Wilhelm 1.

[@tinyveil]

What if Alexander the Great didn’t die young?

[@kgius7434]

When I saw the title: "Didn't they win this war?"

[@knackiechan4011]

Yes they did, it's a weird Anglo assumption to think they lost it. And it's not the first "alternate history" video on KZbin to have this take about the Spanish succession war. The Bourbons literally won the succession crisis and transform Spain into a relatable allie for all wars coming after this one until the French revolution. That was a huge European geopolitical shifting in favor of France

[@rolandzarka5191]

It'not a French defeat. Isn't rather a total win. But France succeeded to install a Bourbon on the Spanish throne despite concessions. Where the Habsbugrs coalition failed.

[@UwU-xk5cx]

This map makes for an interesting war of austrian succession, in a best case scenario for France and Bavaria, when the war breaks out the bavarian lowlands would hugely facilitate a french invasion of the Netherlands, this may cause the dutch to either fall harder and quicker or outright not join the war, the greatly weakened austria most likely wont stand a chance against the italo spanish troops who already posses milan to the south, the franco bavarian forces in the middle and the prussian forces in the north, without the dutch and the austrians the coalition would fail no matter how much money the brits throw at them, and with that defeat and with no humilliation for Charles VII of bavaria he may be able to keep his position as holy roman emperor and king of Bohemia and assert his claims to the german parts of the Habsburg domain, ending the Habsburgs as a serious contestant for german hegemony, after that Germany would turn either into a divided 2 way rivalry between the british supported protestant prussians in the north against the french supported catholic bavarians in the south or the 2 would be content with what they have developing a sense of northern and southern german unity respectively and overall friendship and cooperation seeing as, unlike the Habsburgs, the Bavarians weren't rlly opposed to the Prussians and, unlike the more great power oriented austrians the bavarian leadership was far more invested in arts and culture and didnt meddle to much with policies not involving germany

[@MrSomervillen]

This is truly such a good scenario. I would love a part 2, of an alternative 18th/ 19th century based on this outcome

[@genovayork2468]

It's a braindead scenario done by a HOI4 obsessed.

[@andryuu_2000]

​@@genovayork2468 hoi4 is set in 20th century not 18th

[@genovayork2468]

@@andryuu_2000 Exactly.

[@farmonxqc9370]

a great Bavaria that was as strong in the south of Germany as Prussia was in the north gives me a cool alt hist idea for Germany. It is nothing special but maybe Prussia would be dominant and powerful in the north of Germany, Bavaria also as powerful as Prussia but in the south and Austrian empire well in the east I guess. 3 big powers dominating each sides of Germany

[@genovayork2468]

Bavaria was much more powerful in this timeline's 1714 than Prussia.

[@Slavic_Gopnik69]

Video idea: What if USSR annexed Slavic countries and became USSSR United Soviet Socialist Republic and none Slavic countries will be established as satellite: Romania Hungary

[@adarshlokhande7653]

What if east rome collapsed the same time when the West rome did

[@ashtron11]

I think that the greater German idea is more likely to succeed with Austria being annexed too

[@MrInkSpot]

I say this on every video, but please do a video on What if everything had gone well for the Dutch Empire, where the Dutch become a powerful colonial empire! I would love it! Bedankt!

[@skatingfreak1670]

The Dutch weren't interested in colonies or directly administering far removed foreign lands They saw them as too expensive, unprofitable, and would require constant defense not just from the native peoples but from rival kingdoms. It's why they preferred the Dutch East and West India companies and small trading posts that were for the most part established with permission from the host nations.

[@MrInkSpot]

@@skatingfreak1670 The Dutch still were interested in some colonies that would present a financial gain, or in the case of taking colonies so other nations could not gain the resources there or strengthen their positions in areas the Dutch considered their spheres of influence. In addition, the Dutch were also interested in colonial positions in the New World such as in Chile (where the West India Company attempted to carve out a colonial holding) Brazil, where the Dutch were interested in taking over the Portuguese colonies in order to take the profitable Sugar trade and also New Amsterdam, for both the prestige of controlling a North American colony, and also for the fur trade etc. The Dutch did build colonies, and although they did prefer creating trading posts and making money rather than making an empire, they would not turn up their noses if the chance came to conquer a region and expand the Dutch realm.

[@mariasirona1622]

What if the soviet hardliner coup in 1991 succeeded?

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

Civil war

[@ShadowSkryba]

Please continue this! A Germany formed by three rivals would be fascinating

[@lama99654]

I had an idea for a scenario, what if oil was never found in Arabia/the Persian gulf

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Louis XIV: Happy French noises.😊😊😊😊 Austria: cries in german😢😢😢😢😢

[@11conormcloughlin]

What if the Wittlesbach dynasty overtook the Habsburgs.

[@BubbaJ18]

Now I wonder if you'll do if Austria won this war

[@Boretheory]

Do a what if everything went well for the kindom of Italy 476-493, the first one the one declared by the Germano-Romans post western Rome and BEFORE the Ostrogoths arrived which is often ignored or completely skipped. It wasn’t Western Rome -> ostrogoths it was Western Rome-> Odoacer (Romano-German general) -> ostrogoths led by Theodoric the great

[@yeeyee5057]

Honestly, I'd like to see what would happen if the compromise would actually succeed

[@quempire2656]

What if Japan avoided a war with the USA

[@NelsonDiscovery]

This is a much more interesting timeline than we live in, with Savoye and Bavaria in stronger positions of power than they were at this time. I quite like the Prussia of the south idea.

[@bones6448]

What if everything went perfect for Imperial Austria next!

[@FrankVolkert]

Other options, France lose really badly,

[@HighPeakMapping]

I’ll never get tired of these videos

[@SirBoggins]

Aside from the joke ones.

[@Gnzxlx]

But francia won........

[@Marcolepsie]

France did not loose it either.

[@augth]

France could get the Bavarian lowlands in exchange for helping Bavaria to conquer stuff in Germany

[@jansatamme6521]

conquering stuff in the HRE is difficult

[@AntiFurry927]

@@jansatamme6521to much aggressive expansion

[@ottovoncesar8025]

What if Philip the second of Spain conquest England.

[@rubensanchez.]

I would love a 'what if everything went perfect for the austrian empire' it'd be amazing

[@Yomesto]

scenario idea:what if the british tried to hold onto dunkirk during ww2.

[@StalkerX426]

What if ottomans join the war of spanish succession on the side of France?

[@Mr_OogaBooga]

What if Spain remained a global powerhouse?

[@fildafernandes4366]

What if sweden won great northern war

[@rufflesoregano8970]

I'm aware you most likely get plenty of suggestions for videos but I still wanna throw my hat in the ring: what if everything went perfect for greece post-independence. (just a thought ofc)

[@skatingfreak1670]

Return of The Byzantines??

[@jonayz8655]

France (the Bourbon side) actually won the war. Such a silly title.

[@Dark-cq1sj]

Scenario idea: What if everything went perfect for Mongolia, starting from the Chinese revolution in 1911 if it would be interesting

[@SuperCrow02]

Kinda disappointed in your neglect of Latin America in this scenario tbh

[@owain_glyndwr]

What if the Ottomans join in at some point? Wouldn’t that result in a resounding French victory?

[@loathecraft]

Every timeline in which Hungary owns Transylvania sucks to live in

[@Gh0stlystev0n]

What if everything went right for the kingdom of italy?

[@genovayork2468]

Which kingdom? If it's again the cliché post-1861, better not.

[@Boretheory]

@@genovayork2468the first one the one declared by the Germano-Romans post western Rome and BEFORE the Ostrogoths arrived which is often ignored or completely skipped. It wasn’t Western Rome -> ostrogoths it was Western Rome-> Odoacer (Romano-German general) -> ostrogoths led by Theodoric the great

[@genovayork2468]

@@Boretheory Did anyone ask you anything? Ostrogothia and Italy, not Ostrogoths and Germano-Romans, boso.

[@Budah_01]

How crazy is the idea of a scenario where portugal claimed the spanish throne with british support with the intention of forming an iberian union under portuguese rule?

[@genovayork2468]

Basically impossible.

[@miguelsilva1446]

​@@genovayork2468the british supporting such a thing is impossible But the portuguese tried a bunch of times to take the castilian throne King Afonso V nearly did it, he probably would have got it if he wasnt so indecive or his son was in charge of the invasion from the beggining he may actually have gotten it There were also a couple other times the spanish throne could have gone to portuguese kings or princes

[@givemeawand]

Scenario idea: What if Castile and Aragon has never united?

[@victorabadias9167]

As an aragonese I would have loved that to happen. The true good ending

[@mqdboy9278]

@@victorabadias9167nope, te haces castellano y punto ;)

[@FBI.capturo.gente.rara.]

Then Castilla would have united with Portugal (invaded Navarra, the kingdom of Granada and Morocco) and formed a huge empire

[@bastykino5357]

@@victorabadias9167 para que? para que aragon sea el patio de castilla y francia?

[@aB-of1nz]

Obviously we the Catalans would have been far better without those barbarians

[@thibaud1832]

But… France won the War of Spanish Succession. France got to pick the King of Spain, that’s what the War of Succession was about.

[@TheMelbournelad]

Kinda. They wanted it to be part of whole kingdom when the son succeeded to France throne. Instead he just got Spain

[@Wertzuio]

what if the central powers lost by christmas of 1915? (i would imagine way fewer deaths and perhaps a not so harsh versailles, sevres and trianon)

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of What If France Won The War Of Spanish Succession? Momentum 100

[@wegdhass5587]

Scenario idea: What if Harald hardrada conquered England?

[@deadbushinwater7446]

Scenario Idea: what if France never existed (France becomes a sea)

[@sosia-v4l]

Europe improved

[@thatsaboat2882]

We should do this in real life

[@tibsky1396]

@@thatsaboat2882 It is the United States influence that is causing havoc in Europe for a long time with woke ideology, or the War in Ukraine at the moment, not the French.

[@tibsky1396]

@@sosia-v4l Or fails sooner than expected. It is the Anglo-American influence that is hurting Europe right now.

[@LargeTimothy]

Scenario: the Ridolfi plot was successful and England became Catholic again under Mary of Scotland.

[@JDubs1464]

Something else to note is that this was concurrent to the Great Northern War and multiple leaders actually wrote to the Swedish king Charles XII stating that if he made peace quickly, he could decide who was the next king of Spain. He did not do this

[@PaperCashsir]

Could you do what if Germany stayed out of ww1

[@andryuu_2000]

What

[@PaperCashsir]

@@andryuu_2000 Germany decides not to help austria hungary in ww1

[@huge7800]

Seeing as this is almost as much of a compromise as the real peace deal, it doesn't feel like a "what if France won", but more like a "what if Austria lost". The alt history prompt isn't important if history isn't actually changed, in my opinion.

[@armandom.s.1844]

France actually won the war. Not a total victory, as they had to give Italy and Netherlands to Austria, but France won.

[@GeneralYen]

I would say they did not lose it rather they won it... The peace was a compromise. However, it is true that Philip V being recognized as king of Spain was a success. But France was fighting to protect Spain's territorial intergrity too... which they couldn't do.

[@joaquinrodriguez227]

@@GeneralYen correction, Felipe V was figthing to protect spanish integrity, Luis XIV was figthing for the posibility of a Franco-Spanish Empire (sadly that monster of an empire never happens)

[@GeneralYen]

@@joaquinrodriguez227 No, Louis XIV never hoped for an Franco-Spanish "empire" at that time. He wanted that his dynasty reigned over as much territory as possible. Spain and France would have been allied but independent. As it happened in reality anyway (except the War of the Quadruple alliance, but it is the exception).

[@CrackedoutSZN69]

@@joaquinrodriguez227there’s still a possibility to this date. Felipe vi is a bourbon, or have Luis de bourbon head of the house, and also most senior heir to the Spanish kingdom be king of both. It’s still possible.

[@genovayork2468]

@@GeneralYen He very much did. Otherwise the peace wouldn't have been called a compromise and there wouldn't be dumb KZbinrs to say France didn't win.

[@crimson1453]

I mean France did technically win, it just wasn't an absolute victory.

[@Thunderworks]

True This video is BS 😁

[@darthnerd4432]

I'd like to see a "What if history went perfect for France" video

[@TesaLegitimusVonAtti]

This scenario is strange, France gains nothing in this war and on the contrary creates a very problematic state in Italy while weakening Spain which it wanted to seize. Your peace treaty is more like a lost war than anything else. It would have been much more logical to make Naples an autonomous crown than to cede it to an enemy state which would prevent any French influence in the peninsula. France had an army during the reign of Louis XIV considered invincible, I don't see why, knowing that he defeated Austria, why he ceded so much territory, especially since the United Kingdom was not a real threat on the continent.

[@kinsmarts2217]

What if austria won? Ive never seen that scenario much.

[@skatingfreak1670]

I've got an interesting one that I'm pretty sure I have never seen covered, the "What if Spain and Portugal hadn't expelled their Jews?", because when they did, it devastated entire regions and sectors. They lost a lot of talented people, revenue was record loss and the wealth of the nation shrunk. It got so bad that they put the blame on the Jews.... the ones who had stayed and converted to Christianity, and well, persecuted them, eventually expelling them too. Artisans, merchants, and trader classes reached levels so low that there were shortages, and a major backfire of this expulsion was that many of these Jews who left ended up settling in The Lowlands (The Lowlands happily accepting and welcoming and recruiting them), kicking off the Dutch golden and silver ages and many of these directly helped build what was to become a global trading empire, and a major thorn for the Spanish. The ones who didn't settle in the Lowlands, went to The Ottomans and North Africa where they established themselves with some ending up in positions of power and authority and some as advisors to the Sultan, where they again were a thorn for The Spanish, and this time for the Portuguese as well.

[@dominicadrean2160]

This is Europe's curse it will fight anyone that gets too strong and fight anyone who wants to unite the continent under one Banner😅

[@Imulti]

Scenario idea: what if Steiner attacked 😆

[@horatiuscocles8052]

Scenario idea : What if Europe didn't open it's doors to mass immigration from the Third World ?

[@ahmedsalek976]

Why is it that only European colonies in Africa are coloured but not African states?

[@ismaelguzman8256]

African ''States''

[@ahmedsalek976]

@@ismaelguzman8256 African STATES such as the empire of Ethiopia and the empire of Morocco, problem?

[@ismaelguzman8256]

@@ahmedsalek976 The concept of the State itself is soo european .African States don't appear in africa until decolonization Im not trying to say that africans were undeveloped monkeys but the concept of a State originates from Europe and had unique characteristics

[@nicbahtin4774]

Nahh man just stack wipe a few armies and win all.

[@afruitshopowner3307]

What if the Shogunate won the Boshin War?

[@domitiusafer]

The question is badly posed since France emerged victorious from the war of succession of Spain by succeeding in defeating a coalition of several European states against them including the United Kingdom, the Holy Roman Empire and the Netherlands. King Louis XIV achieved his essential war goal namely the maintenance of his grandson the Duke of"Anjou became Philip V on the throne of Spain with its vast colonial empire especially in South and Central America preventing the Netherlands and the United Kingdom from taking control. France thus managed to vassalize Spain with its colonial empire which had been its enemy for two centuries and the 1st European power at the beginning of the reign of Louis XIV. France preserves most of its own colonial territory since the United Kingdom gave him back the strategic city of Louisbourg in Canada against part of the city of Madras in India occupied by the French.The French conceded to the British Acadia and Terre Neuve in Canada and the island of Saint Christophe in the West Indies, but retain most of their possessions in the West Indies, India, Canada and Louisiana within the present-day United States so named in honor of King Louis XIV a territory that is larger than the present state of Louisiana, since it corresponds to 13 of the current states of the United States of which some cities have retained their French name (Detroit, Saint Louis, Nouvelle Orleans). Indeed, the English, Dutch initially wanted to recover part of the Spanish colonial empire in return for their acceptance of the succession to the throne of Spain of the grandson of the king of France Louis XIV, which the latter thus managed to preserve"intact Spanish colonial empire, abandoning the Italian possessions of Spain to the Holy Roman Empire. France expanding with some territories taken from Savoy and the principality of Orange hereditary land of the dynasty ruling the Netherlands and England. In reality, the great losers of this war were the Netherlands, which could not seize part of the Spanish colonial empire as initially envisaged by them and sacrificed their navy, which hitherto competed with the British, French and Spanish navies. From the war of Spanish succession, the Netherlands became like Spain a secondary European power, supplanted on the commercial and maritime level by the Kingdom-Uni and France who allies until the end of the 17th century with the Stuart dynasty will become direct rivals and compete in subsequent wars during the 18th century and until the early 19th century. Thus, Louis XIV was right to accept the military test by refusing to cede the Spanish colonial empire to the Netherlands and the United Kingdom, which would have immediately strengthened the maritime and commercial power of the Dutch and British.