7:27 "makes some minor victories" procceds to take half of poland
@stonecat887 ай бұрын
if you look at the whole territory of russia then there are really only some minor victories
@WaterLemon1477 ай бұрын
It’s normal to take half of Poland and therefore it’s minor, infact I took half of Poland just yesterday!
@Canaanitebabyeater7 ай бұрын
That's just Tuesday for Poles
@Chosen_Ash7 ай бұрын
Yeah minor
@Cody-r7r7 ай бұрын
Just a Tuesday in the greater history of Europe
@GigaRoman7 ай бұрын
What if everything went perfect for Italy?
@EmilioRossi-s2q7 ай бұрын
Frl bro I been waiting on that one!
@FedericoNassetti7 ай бұрын
Sarebbe molto bello
@davidebommartini18417 ай бұрын
I want that
@ІсаєнкоАртем7 ай бұрын
I want a follow up for it like "for Italy and Greece"
@chimera98187 ай бұрын
The Italians war of unification will be the same, but with the monarchy being less oppressive and mis treating of the south afterwards,during Africa partition Italy starts faster and get Tunisia (maybe allying with Britain or Germany as way to convince the French to do so) and also to support them in invasion of Ethiopia (maybe dividing it into Eritrea colony, that is larger , larger Somalian colony and and puppet state of Ethiopia from what left), during the post wars against the ottoman they are able to keep more of the land (maybe aligning more with Greece making them their ally and both able to keep the coast at least) during ww2 they still go with entente but compensated with Croatia and Albania . In ww2 Mussolini was one of the few that opposed Austrian annexation and feel like Italy that feel less cheated would probably do the the same , he and up aligning to the Germans because he burned all the bridges with the Ethiopian invasion, initially they keep neutral but later (around 1942) start helping the allies with the promise to get Corsica and the region they gave to France after the war and maybe able to get their monarchy on some of the countries. When decolonization hit they still leave their empire but there still less bad blood because irl Italian nationalism considered all people in Italy Italians so with better and stronger Italy area like Somalia might feel it
@Maltheus_7 ай бұрын
Why would Germany lose territory after the war against the Entente when they've occupied large parts of western Russia and northern France? A return to status quo would be way more likely, but I could maybe see the French getting Alsace-Lorraine to lower the tensions with the Germans, but Russia gaining Posen? No way in hell. In what position would the Russians be to annex Posen when the Germans have pushed them to Kiev?
@Lp-army16 ай бұрын
Also hes highly underestimating the germans
@regularguy28075 ай бұрын
The dude just hates Germany it's very obvious they and Japan almost always lose in his scenarios while the Soviet Union almost always since he doesn't believe lend lease was important to them.
@Lp-army13 ай бұрын
@@regularguy2807 It was important in the rubber sectors but wasn't gonna collapse the soviets if they didn't get it
@Lp-army13 ай бұрын
Also radios i forgot Radios were very important land lease material
@guriflash36033 ай бұрын
@@Lp-army1 in 1941-1942 over 40% of soviet supply trucks were given to them via lend lease, it was absolutely essential for them to survive, 1942 was the most important year in the eastern front, the soviets receiving only 60% of the supply they got irl could mean the germans getting the caucasus
@Das-ist-k-ein-VIRUS7 ай бұрын
I think the most interesting is the moderate entente victory and the German British cooperation
@NovikNikolovic7 ай бұрын
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@iamtheguardsman99427 ай бұрын
I think the moderate entente victory is the most interesting scenario, would be interested in seeing a follow up as I think this is the only scenario where you have made an Anglo-German alliance possible Although the heavy entente victory is also interesting because of the powerful Italy, possibly without Mussolini which is also something we don’t see often
@omarahmad73357 ай бұрын
I want see the ww2 version
@oliverhendrix81767 ай бұрын
@@omarahmad7335 Agreed as long the painter with a funny mustache doesn’t get invited.
@aimarxv7057 ай бұрын
I love how Sapin just watches every scenario
@thespanishinquisition40787 ай бұрын
to be fair, it was busy killing itself repeatedly. So at most it'd have sent materials and possibly volunteers like in our timeline. So nothing changes there.
@omargerardolopez32947 ай бұрын
@@thespanishinquisition4078 Spanish Civil War? In the 1910s?
@mksushi57547 ай бұрын
@@omargerardolopez3294 Now I want to see a scenario like this. Though, it's unlikely to have much effect unfortunately. Still I almost want an alternate history that goes in-depth to these intricacies. I can see how this kind of content would be too burdensome and quickly lose most viewers' attention who only want a brief overview.
@thespanishinquisition40787 ай бұрын
@@omargerardolopez3294 1910s spain saw MASSIVE revolts and an attempted anarchist uprising that eventually led to the coup de etat by primo de rivera and very violent repression. It wasn't technically a full blown war but when politicians are getting murdered every other week I dare say it sure wasn't peaceful either.
@DanielKaraUdmurt7 ай бұрын
Ah yes, Sapin my favorite country
@Melnek17 ай бұрын
Your predictions for the advanced war in the "Germany rejects British mediation" scenario in the "late war" option do not match the reality of the scenario, yes, Germany is devoid of its Habsburg ally, but this alliance was more relevant at the beginning of the war where had to deal with both Russia and enemies in the Balkans at the same time, historically, after the Russian revolution, the Habsburg usefulness and effectiveness was more than questionable, whether in the east or on the Italian front. And now we must acknowledge the obvious, the Habsburg potential was not completely denied to Germany, on the contrary, most of it was granted directly to Germany, in the form of the German parts of the Habsburg rule, its suzerainty over Czechoslovakia and even better, an alliance with Romania, not to mention not having to deal with the BEF in France for a good part of the war, so, with Germany having somehow survived the first few years of the war with gains similar to historically, we are now dealing with a Germany much more capable during the Kaiserschlacht than historically, so, with a French army in worse shape, a less powerful and mobilized BEF due to the late entry into the war, it is possible that Paris will be within Heer's reach after all, if this will result in victory It's debatable, but that's my reading.
@astillia60737 ай бұрын
Yeah, like wouldn't germany be in much better shape without the 2 or 3 years of naval blockade from Britain? It seems like PH has a phobia about Germany winning WW1 if Britian joins, even if every advantage is given to them.
@Francis-qu2iu7 ай бұрын
@@astillia6073 agreed.
@nitrrogen26287 ай бұрын
@@astillia6073 Also Russia collapsing after it has further modernized & stabilized after 1905 would be unlikely, the collapse & revolution was something that happened due to sheer incompetence, miscommunication, and was very much dependent on the people in charge at the time. Even a few extra years of peace in Russia could alter the timeline so much that the same revolution just wouldn't happen.
@gatonegro877785 ай бұрын
Yes, Germany wouldn't have the same economic collapse and social turmoil that lead to it's surrender in our time line and they would still have a strong grip in the east. I can see a peace deal were Germany looses the minor Territories under Italian control and have to pay war reps to France. But I can't see why the Germans would do an unconditional surrender and accept a complete fragmentation.
@astillia60735 ай бұрын
@@nitrrogen2628 It took Lenin and Stalin 20 years to industrialize Russia at breakneck speed with no regard to the cost of life. A "few" more years wouldnt change the backward nature of the Russian Empire.
@ExPraetorianGuard-dl1pz7 ай бұрын
Video suggestions: 1) what if Germany concentrated in attacking Russia first instead of France and Belgium in WW1? 2) What if NATO's able archer exercise in 80s triggered WW3? 3) what if Stalin listened to his spies of the Axis army build-up near its border and acted accordingly? 4) What if the French had listened to Belgian intelligence of possible German invasion through ardenne and reinforced it? 5) what if Hitler never redirected the german panzer divisions of the central army group to flank Kiev and just continued to Moscow? 6) what if the Belgians let the Germans pass in WW1?
@red-gp9ohh7 ай бұрын
You give interesting questions especially the 1st and 3rd one
@TheMormonGuy-ph7 ай бұрын
So in short, 1) What if Germany won WW1 2) what if WW3 started in 1983? 3) what if Stalin wasn't a jerk? 4) what if the French weren't French? 5) what if Hitler listened to his generals?
@gamepower47087 ай бұрын
i think the third one is the most interesting here. i could be a double sided sword tho. more divisions at the Start of the invasion. isnt all good. especially because the soviet Union still suffers from the purges during this time. and would cause more starting losses.
@red-gp9ohh7 ай бұрын
@@TheMormonGuy-ph that's the most American frame-up of questions with context LMFAO
@League_Femboy7 ай бұрын
@@TheMormonGuy-ph Germany definitely wouldn't have won ww1 by focusing on Russia lol
@losisansgaming26287 ай бұрын
18:23 ok italy getting Tunis is unreasonable. One of Britain's main goals in this period was not letting italy get Tunis as then italy controls both of the straights connecting the west and east Mediterranean. Corsica nice and savoy are more likely. Even the horn of Africa territories are more likely
@eljedimexicano67377 ай бұрын
France would rather give Tunis than Nice and Savoy, same for Corsica
@losisansgaming26287 ай бұрын
@@eljedimexicano6737 yes but the British would object to it fiercely.
@browhatisthis377 ай бұрын
@@losisansgaming2628 As we Italians showed in the Euro Cup 2020, screw the Bri'ish
@Samuil-iq6eb7 ай бұрын
Italy would join the Entente with no concessions on their part, his scenarios are bad whichever way you look at them.
@TheEpikalREKT7 ай бұрын
At least it ain't monsieur Z
@RIB5557 ай бұрын
“I will release the follow up on Tuesday” Meanwhile: on Friday Also meanwhile: the content absolutely slaps
@MANTARKAFA317 ай бұрын
Why would germany be under more pressure in the first scenario they have all of austria and czechoslovakia about 20 million more people to fight with and both of those countries were fairly industrial in that time it doesnt make any sense. Germany got a subject and more people that speak their language while russia got more disgruntled polish nationalists that possibly will revolt and sabotage the russians, in real life czechoslovakia with half the population of poland switched sides and joined russians to fight against austrians and the germans so why wouldnt already rebellious poles do the same but for russia?
@hafor28467 ай бұрын
Also, Germany doesn't get blockaded because the British stay out of it. The French navy has no chance blockading German trade against the German navy. If anything, the German navy will disrupt French trade. Germany meanwhile will fully trade with the UK and US. I see no way how France wins this without Britain.
@Megukagi7 ай бұрын
if I had to make a guess: in our timeline, germany and austria-hungary have two separate militaries with their own commanders doing their own things, though working together in this timeline, germany's military leadership would have to basically carry every front at the same time, without having a second large military to lean on this alternate timeline's germany would have a bigger army but it also has more fronts to cover as it can't rely on austria-hungary in the south
@hafor28467 ай бұрын
@@Megukagi They more or less did that anyway. After one or even two years of war the Austrian army was completely done and not really able to stand up to Russia anymore. They barely held the Italian front. Everything else was led and mostly defended by German troops, with Austria just doing auxiliary work.
@pokekick41857 ай бұрын
@@Megukagi The Austrian army would be rolled into the German army though and be much more effective. Germany would most likely field 3 armies. One for the french front, One for the Russian front and one for the Balkan front.
@hanneswiggenhorn20237 ай бұрын
Germany does have more resources, but maybe only on paper. I would assume the recent Austrian collapse meant that the actual integration of their infrastructure, manpower and industry could proof complicated and reduce the efficiency of them. At the same time it's very important to look at the military spending. From 1910 to 1914 German anf Austrian military spending doubled, while Frances stayed on the same level and Russias only increased 33%. So this earlier war means Germanys army is not nearly as well equipped compared to our timeline
@Ea-pb2tu7 ай бұрын
So the entente loses Britain and the central powers loses Austria Hungary? The central powers nearly won in our timeline, seems like a central powers victory is all but guaranteed here. Britain far surpassed Austria Hungary in strength. The German fleet was also far stronger than the French and russian ones combined. So no blockade, no starvation, etc. I disagree with Germany losing the first scenario.
@phoenixoflight2247 ай бұрын
Well Millions of Hungarian and Serbian Soldiers soldiers that used to fight on the side of the Central Powers were now fighting for the Entente, so it really isn't an easy victory for Germany.
@Ea-pb2tu7 ай бұрын
Yes, but millions of Brit’s who fought on the side of the entente are no longer there. Both sides are less powerful but the entente more so.
@hatefulgaming18007 ай бұрын
The central power did not nearly win mate. You’ve been playing too many video games.
@thevirtualpug3d8687 ай бұрын
@@hatefulgaming1800They really did nearly win though. If the US doesn't join, the central powers might actually have a shot at victory. Russia was dead and the primary reason for Central Power weakness at this point was the blockade of Germany. Without more American support Germany could hold out maybe long enough to gather up more resources from the east and push back. There's also morale to consider here. While yes the CP's victory isn't assured, unlike in WW2, Germany and the rest of the CP actually has a major chance at victory assuming they could get even a quarter of the luck that the Nazis got in 40-41. (France falling shouldn't have been possible. 40-41 is literally a German wank)
@Pasta_Pirate7 ай бұрын
They did effectively beat the Russians so in this timeline where it's just France and Russia if Russia also fell in this timeline France is probably screwed. If Britain stayed neutral uber-germany (as German speaking Austria was given to Germany) imo would beat the Russians even without Austria-hungary. So while the Central powers didn't nearly win in our timeline they did still beat Russia and that is in this scenario nearly half of their opponents strength.
@hellboyhero78197 ай бұрын
I like the scenario overall, but I think you are underestimating germany a bit. Germany isnt blockaded while France may be and the Ententes War effort isnt payed for by the british in the beginning. As a result Germany would perform way better and I would expect a peace in favour of germany (8:42), Germany to gain a bit more land or maybe some french colonies (16:26) and a longer stalemate with maybe a even peace (20:24) (Germany might even keep one or two puppet states stripped from russia. Alternatively I could also see France completely collapsing if germany can manage to blockade France resulting in a complete German victory.
@paradoxicaloutcome10077 ай бұрын
So, wait, Germany has more land and population directly integrated into its industry and army, pretty much all the Balkan nations are on the Central Powers' side, the British are not in the war and as a result, the Ottomans are in a much better position... and somehow, the Germans are in the same situation in the same timeframe that they were in OTL's WW1? With the wider front against Romania and more Ottoman troops in the caucasus, the Russians should be folding a lot faster, while the French are left without British reinforcements for the first half of the war. How does this result in the war going the exact same for Germany unless they end it early? Yes, the Austro-Hungarians are gone, but apart from Hungary, every nation that used to be a part of Austria-Hungary is on the German side, plus Romania.
@Das-ist-k-ein-VIRUS7 ай бұрын
Croatia was a part of Austria,same with bosnia or Galicia all of them are not in the German alliance,plus the thing is Germany has the new land but it doesn’t have the troops of Austria Hungary.And the Ottomans surrender because of a siege of Constantinople the troops in the Caucasus don’t matter that much,because you can’t really push there
@astillia60737 ай бұрын
@@Das-ist-k-ein-VIRUShow would it not have the Austro-Hungarian troops, they're literally all organized under their own ethnic armies now, minus Hungarians and Croats, and the Croats aren't fighting germany.
@Das-ist-k-ein-VIRUS7 ай бұрын
@@astillia6073 Most of the Austro-Hungarian Army (88%) were a part of the K.u.K. Heer were 25% were Austrian and would stick to the Germans the other 75% were Hungarian,Romanian,Croatian,Italian and others and wouldn’t stick.
@shamsishraq68317 ай бұрын
Because he hates Central Powers victory scenarios. Britain not being in the war means no blockade, even possible American investment and loans. It also means the removal of a million troops from the Ottoman Empire. So imagine if 300,000+ soldiers under Mustafa Kemal were fighting in the Caucasus instead, which would again require Russia to divert more forces there. The US would be reluctant to join as well if the UK isn't. This should be a pretty confirmed Central Powers victory but sometimes people can't envision things they hate, even in fictional scenarios.
@elseggs65047 ай бұрын
@@shamsishraq6831This isnt HoI4. You cant just send millions of men to the Caucasus. Or instantly somehow benefit from annexing Austria. The austro fascists for instance werent quite eager to become german
@winterwarrior10177 ай бұрын
The scenario with Britain and Germany aligning seems the most interesting
@Cymatilus7 ай бұрын
First scenario would be the most interesting for a follow up, a German-British alliance is something that I don‘t see explored too often so it has a lot of potential
@_Senator_Armstrong_5 ай бұрын
18:20 this is complete bullshit. I know it's voter If Italy side with Germany they would get a lot of territories like Nice, Corsica, Savoy, Tunis, Djibouti, Somaliland they can even take Piedmont and this is only direct control. They can puppet Serbia and Montenegro, their puppet states of Croatia and Albania will grow significantly. And they can also require war reparations from France and Britain. Italy would get good allies like Germany and Ottomans. Italian influence on countries like Greece, Bulgaria would be significant. I highly doubt that any amount of money can surpass all of this
@Backfyre087 ай бұрын
Please continue the first scenario with the German-British Alliance. I mean the German and British Empires working together is a very rare possible history theme and I‘d love to see a continuation of it.
@-WMD-Edutainment5 ай бұрын
10:00 Bro really said ,,Hungary lost cuz why not"
@ussunitedstates28037 ай бұрын
22:02 the last one look more interesting as it look like prequel for red alert game with soviet starting second world war
@Inceptus011 күн бұрын
this is probably my favourite alternate history scenario of all time, and the 2 videos are pure cinematography. You unironically made an immersive world with this gud job
@fourscoresplat7 ай бұрын
the main thing i dont understand is at 15:49 where romania gets more of hungary instead of getting moldova from russia? why would they want to add even more hungarians instead of romanians/moldovans?
@gengarzilla16857 ай бұрын
Moldova may have been desirable but Transylvania and a few bits beyond were always the big prize for Romanian nationalists, even if some of it wasn't even inhabited primarily by Romanians. They already saw no problem with annexing majority Hungarian areas in our timeline just for national pride.
@Now_Roxas6 ай бұрын
Calamus?
@greenearth9757 ай бұрын
Wouldn't the Schliffen plan be more successful? The Russian economy and mobilization would be worse and they would be slow to get to the front. Without British support, the Belgians might be more willing to let the Germans go through their country. The French wouldn't have the British troops to help them slow down the initial Greman advance. Germany would be able to harass French shipping very effectively. There is a chance they could knock France out of the war in the first year.
@sander02097 ай бұрын
I'd argue that without Britain joining, Germany's Schliefen plan would've worked better than IRL. IRL the French begged the British to hold their left flank with the BEF (without telling them that they would have an open left flank in turn) against the right flank of the Germans and they did holding them at the Battle of Mons. Without the British to hold that part of the front Belgium might have been overrun and there is every chance that the Germans might have reached Paris and forced a surrender from France.
@hatefulgaming18007 ай бұрын
The French aren’t going to surrender simply because Paris is taken. This is real life, not hearts of iron.
@Gvazdika.7 ай бұрын
@@hatefulgaming1800 The loss of a capital a second time (first time being franco-prussian war) would devastate french morale and weaken the army significantly, which would either have the french surrendering to get a less worse deal or getting fully occupied by the germans.
@hatefulgaming18007 ай бұрын
@@Gvazdika. That was a much weaker France fighting a war the people weren’t particularly interested in, Unless Germany is able to somehow take Paris in 1914 and not only continually hold off Russia but also not have Britain get involved the war won’t be over so quickly.
@sander02097 ай бұрын
@@hatefulgaming1800 Considering that is damn near exactly what happened in the Franco-Prussian war, I'd say it's a fair possibility. Not to mention the fact that with taking or surrounding Paris, the Germans would put a major strain on the French supplyline and industrial capacity. As for if they could hold off the Russians in the east? They did that IRL. The German high command pulled several hundred thousand men from the western front because they thought they needed to hold back the Russians, but before those men had arrived the Eastern Generals had defeated-in-detail several Russian armies.
@Lp-army16 ай бұрын
@@sander0209and that was a year after this timeline 1 year is a lot so i could see a slightly weaker russian army
@S1AR_DUS17 ай бұрын
The scenario where there is a moderate loss for Germany looks the most interesting as ww1 didn’t have to be the war to end all wars and could have been just another European War like Crimea or Franco Prussian War
@GermanEmpireballguy7 ай бұрын
Even tho It was delayed, I think it will be a Great Video
@seamusfinnegan11647 ай бұрын
Honestly feel you might be a little harsh on Germanys but solid video and timeline/analysis overall
@enderkatze61297 ай бұрын
Yeah that Happens alot, because the other Option is For people to call you a biased kaiserboo
@Adir-Yosef7 ай бұрын
i mean, the germans would never get positive shit from any version of WW1 france was always intending of destruction
@seamusfinnegan11647 ай бұрын
@@enderkatze6129 Honestly fair enough lol, shame we cant get more expansive hour long alt history videos but thats not exactly the most rewarding thing to put out as a youtuber especially for alternate history id imagine.
@enderkatze61297 ай бұрын
@@seamusfinnegan1164 i'm Sure we could, If someone Had -the knowledge -the Research capabilities -the time -the creativity -the effort -the motivation
@Samuil-iq6eb7 ай бұрын
He is a Kaiserboo lmao, he made Germany do the same against Russia though the war was after 1917, the end of their Grand Modernisation Program.
@Ras_al_Gore7 ай бұрын
Germany not being tied to the dead weight of Austria definitely opens up a lot more diplomatic possibilities. Primarily, they can hold the balance between Britain and Russia, and benefit from that flexibility. Awareness of this fact may lead to better decision-making concerning the naval arms race and their stance towards the Balkans. Italy being a strong German ally is almost a given in this scenario - they also have interests to East and West, and little to gain from conflict with Germany once the return of Italian territories held by Austria is accomplished.
@quinncorkins42567 ай бұрын
Absolutely love this content 🔥🔥🔥
@HisMajestyJade7 ай бұрын
What if the federation of the West Indies(Caribbean federation) survived to modern day?
@HisMajestyJade7 ай бұрын
Now ik they wouldn't magically become a world superpower but as a Trinidadian I think it would be cool if they didn't collapse
@reddstar-starsir7 ай бұрын
fellow 🇹🇹 bro!!!!!!!!!!
@uruguaylusitano57977 ай бұрын
Number 1# in Turism by a significant margin
@reddstar-starsir7 ай бұрын
@@uruguaylusitano5797 w
@orangecitrus80567 ай бұрын
what if covid was successfully contained in Hubei and disappeared like SARS?
@JustASuperChillDUDE7 ай бұрын
I don't think the Germans would allow their nation to be completely humiliated considering there where the one who was winning the war on the map. I think Germany would still accept to a peace deal with Britain and also give Possen to Russia and Alsace and the Saarland to France, but in return they would ask for concessions. Likely in the form of one Luxembourg and an expansion of their colonial territories against France, like an expansion of German Kamerun and Togoland.
@Lp-army13 ай бұрын
Saarland and Posen hell no they were key industrial bases of the east and west and would've weakened the Germans for the next war also Russia was in no position to take Posen
@peytonadventures20087 ай бұрын
Your videos are amazing! I really enjoy listening to all of your ideas for how things go! its really smart
@RegentOfGreece7 ай бұрын
I love how you said Bulgaria got their teeth kicked in. It was a funny joke, lol. Awesome video, my friend! 😊
@supoagentti95477 ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid
@danielsantiagourtado34307 ай бұрын
Love your content! Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤
@earthgaming2287 ай бұрын
I hearby crown this man, as actually being first
@gordlass5 ай бұрын
19:00 what the actual fucc is this belarussian border?
@NickJolas2 ай бұрын
Lol
@Nick-empire13 күн бұрын
I think it was it was border in 1920
@gatonegro877785 ай бұрын
I really don't think that's how the last scenario would play out. Firstly the absence of AH would be arguably much beneficial to the central powers instead of this invaluable loss the video presents. To simple put AH was a failed state leaded by a bloated monarchy and extremely inefficient in dealing with it's resources and man powers. The army was a mess composed of different ethnicities that didn't have any real incentive to fight for a country that didn't represent them. On this time line however, Austria is fully integrated on the hands of a far more competent Germany, the Czechs and Slovaks have their own stable state that at least have something to gain out of this war. Now, sure, the Central power would lack the Croatians and Hungarians, but that would be a worth price for having a strong Bulgaria and Romania at their side. The central powers were also in a much worse strategic position in our timeline, AH and the Ottomans were both surrounded and fighting a shit ton of different countries at once. In this time line however, with Romania being in the central powers Hungary will quickly fall and Serbia would be the one cut out. Italy would either remain neutral in the early stages of war or actually help the central power carve up Serbia without actually entering the alliance. Serbia would fall much quicker and now we have a stronger Germany, Romania and Bulgaria invading Russia with some help of the Ottomans. So the Russian campaign should be even better for the Central powers than in our time line. Now this is the time the UK would join the entente and I think we are neglecting the consequences of a delayed British intervention. Without a blocked in the early years, German economy isn't collapsing and the France campaign would have been better so there isn't the social turmoil and collapse of German living standard as in our time line. There is also no way Italy will be joining entente, Britain was strongly opposed to an Italian Tunisia and France would under any circumstances accept to give up Niece, Savoy and Corsica. Even in a very unlikely scenario that they accept to just give up all of that to Italy, is still very unlikely that the Italians would join, considering that the Germans have just finished off the Russians and the central powers have Hegemony under Balkans, in this time line Germany is also a far more valuable ally to Italy and joining the entente would also shock the Italian economy, so they would stay neutral. With a neutral Italy, a better win in the russian front, a still functional German economy, a total hegemony in Balkans and no capitulation by any of their allies there is simple no reason for a German surrender. They would push into France and defend the Ottomans. The Germans are still not likely to make into Paris and there is no Ottoman revival, but they would be able to force a favorable peace deal. That I imagine could look something like this: - Germany Annex Luxembourg. - The entente recognize German east claims. - France and Britain pay war reparations. - The ottomans annex the rest of Arabian peninsula and the Sinai region. - The ottomans annex Cyprus - The Suez canal become controlled by both the British and the Ottomans in order to ensure neutrality. Maybe Italy would join the Central Powers after the Russian collapse leading to it annexing Malta, Tunísia, Nice and Savoy, maybe even Corsica if they perform well enough.
@plexusGD7 ай бұрын
Easily one of the best videos you've made, good job PH I hope you continue this scenario! IMO the first timeline is more interesting than the second, considering it's quite a lot different. 👍
@erikacanopener7 ай бұрын
Amazing and delightfully through. Perhaps you vould collab with other youtubers and make a series of all of the outcomes? I think it would make for some awesome storytelling
@Selj17 ай бұрын
The last scenario is interesting,a part 2 would be cool
@kamerafreak34927 ай бұрын
Austria: *collapses* Germany: "free real estate"
@alternateaccount46737 ай бұрын
(Potential) feedback: the music at the start is somewhat distracting, its a good song and would love to hear it midway, but it's a bit hard to follow over
@bretthuff89717 ай бұрын
In the aggressive scenario, the schlieffan plan likely would have been MORE successful, not less. With some of Russian manpower being tied up in the baltics combined with the increased manpower of Germany due to an increase in size, they likely would be able to hold the Russians in favorable terrain. Especially considering that Britain isn't helping France. Italy would definitely not side with the Entente. The entire reason why they joined in our timeline was because the Entente offered them more land. At the very least they would stay neutral, if not join the Germans. Normally your videos are quite on top of the scenario, but this one seems to be out of your grasp, sorry dude.
@uja117 ай бұрын
A pretty signifficat improvement in quality!
@oooshafiqooo7 ай бұрын
Well made, with the oversight on all different outcomes
@abewright22017 ай бұрын
Love this channel
@gengarzilla16857 ай бұрын
I think I'd like a follow up to either the first or third outcomes. Both seem the most interesting with the Anglo-German rapprochement in the first or the very much empowered Italy in the third.
@MrMoriros7 ай бұрын
I would love to see a continuation
@GroundBack6 ай бұрын
I still have no idea which scenario I'd like to see a continuation on. But I really wanna see it!
@Zapadoslavwithcrown7 ай бұрын
Yeeeeeah Again very interesting, Perfect, geography video
@mattstrandquist21487 ай бұрын
I love how EVERY SINGLE OPTION is WAAAAAAAAAAY better for Germany in this set of timelines, regardless of any other outcomes.
@Mas-corp03157 ай бұрын
How do i get you're map, because i remember that i had done it before but i can't remember.
@Nassamest7 ай бұрын
20:00 there is simply no way Hungary wouldn't get the entire Transylvania region along with atleast a border correction with Croatia and Germany
@7appaKrappa7 ай бұрын
What if the Papal States pushed for unification of Italy instead of Sardinia?(highly improbable, but interesting idea, especially if they do more crusades against the ottomans)
@mr.gigagod97367 ай бұрын
“Honey, possible history just uploaded the follow up”
@RRedSquare4 ай бұрын
Its so obvious this guy hates central power victory scenarios 😂
@theothebestof30053 ай бұрын
germany losing land on both sides while beating both sides is a bit weird. Britain asking germany to give posen to russia? feels super strange to reinforce on of their "ennemies" and weaken the only other country capable of opposing them, all that while germany pushed 1000km or more in russia's territory.
@akiramasashi93174 ай бұрын
The Empire has fallen. Millions must be annexed.
@garrettsmitherman98237 ай бұрын
Great video idea
@Bagigio967 ай бұрын
15:45 isn't more likely that Romania would demand Bessarabia from Russia instead?
@elirej72017 ай бұрын
The german defeat scenario is so interesting, can you please make a part 2? (or is it 3?)
@Olipakerranoiva7 ай бұрын
If you continue this scenario (which I hope you do) I personally would like you to continue either the first or the last scenario.
@Thought_Processing_7 ай бұрын
If you’re going to continue this one, I find the idea of the British German alliance to be the most interesting timeline
@neumo50057 ай бұрын
Definitely follow up on the last scenario.
@michealglcoyle97727 ай бұрын
The last strategy seems very intresting
@swordsman15967 ай бұрын
I need to see a follow up video for ALL three scenarios
@lennertoss64977 ай бұрын
11:10 I doubt that the second balkan war would happen, because Serbia, despite german backing of italian claims on albania, still manages to get coastal access. A major part of the escalation between the two states, was that Bulgaria didnt back Serbia on their albanian claims and when they were forced to give them up in return Serbia decided to not respect their agreement with Bulgaria over Macedonia. Forcing the bulgarian leadership to act now and not wait for russian arbitration over the matter. Overall i highly doubt the starting of the second balkan war in this scenario.
@Julianist7 ай бұрын
I love that you don‘t say, this would happen and give us a few seperate timelines for many different outcomes.
@kathibaba76655 ай бұрын
So Germany controls enemy territory and lose territory in a peace deal? Really?
@apineapple31775 ай бұрын
It’s like you’re forgetting the British are they
@rezaganjizadeh42637 ай бұрын
germany's two sided war is better than the the actual ww: they can martial and train austrians and bohemians far more effectively russia is less developed germany is unblockaded and their navy could strike france since it was stronger britain isn't bankrolling russia or france von lettow vorbeck can freely ravage the belgian congo, weakening them even further and the BEF played a crucial role at the battle of ypres so a german victory there is more likely
@MajinOthinus7 ай бұрын
The German victory seems the most interesting alternate history wise.
@majinplaton7 ай бұрын
heres a wierd what if: what if luxembourg, denmark, belgium and the netherlands tried to join german, germany refusing and then the benelumark fight germany to be a part of them or at least semi-integrated? its wierd but might be worth checking out
@noalsono16867 ай бұрын
Video 2 of asking for What if everything went perfect for Scotland
@mve98997 ай бұрын
The heavy entente victory would be the most interesting to me, due to its similarities to our timeline on the map, but the totally different history
@tomas.blitzgod7 ай бұрын
Im most interested in a follow up for the German Victory (number 2) as it is not an Entente Vicory and is like a Quick CP victory in WW1 except nothing drastic changed (apart from partition of A-H)
@tomas.blitzgod7 ай бұрын
actually Number 1 would be great as well
@SkirmisherLeo7 ай бұрын
Make a part 2 for the first round
@zhcultivator7 ай бұрын
What if Argentina and Latin American Countries were as Wealthy as Canada, the USA and Australia? 🇦🇷
@aarohalme10207 ай бұрын
I feel the moderate German victory with British oversight was the most interesting.
@pilum37057 ай бұрын
Wait, why exactly does the Schlieffen plan go more badly? "They don't have Austria Hungary". Yeah, but they have Austria and Czechia. Their Armies didn't just disappear but most likely got merged into Germany. The same goes for their mobilizable population. What I see is a Schlieffen plan with a smaller front in the East, one central Command instead of Two and a Western Front without Britain.
@Ibosz7 ай бұрын
If you continue any of the time lines, please continue the one that does not end up horrifyingly for Hungary :D (almost in all of your videos we get fucked up pretty severely)
@Zedyne7 ай бұрын
It's almost like he hates Hungary, for whatever reason.
@Chaos_13377 ай бұрын
You should continue doing the 2
@burnttoast27157 ай бұрын
What software do you use for this? (Not the voting)
@MominEnjoyer4 ай бұрын
Attempt 5 of suggesting: what if everything went perfect for Switzerland?
@ronanmahaffey29967 ай бұрын
Love voting content. Excited for the Soviet Union one.
@julius8797 ай бұрын
Still love the lounge music
@Collinized7 ай бұрын
I will say this i voted for chaos in the next viewer voting
@MisadelphiaSAR7 ай бұрын
My favorite branches were: Germany intervenes militarily into the Balkans, and Germany doesn't intervene in the Balkan war, and accepts British demand during the Hungary-sparked war
@enderkatze61297 ай бұрын
I think the early war, after which Germany and Brittain allign with one-another, would be the Most interesting to continue
@ZoeKonstantini7 ай бұрын
I wish that you would have given a more active role to Hungary, the only thing they do is being a target but considering how their position was precarious they should have done everything possible to expand the revolution just to survive, perhaps by pushing for a revolution in Germany or Czechoslovakia while they were losing. As a viewer I don’t mind unrealistic outcomes if they make for an interesting yet relatively balanced scenario
@t-brick7 ай бұрын
I don't think Italy would have joined the entente. If anything they would have stayed neutral or hell the Germans could have given them money too. Idk just seems kinda weird just another scenario where the Central Powers lose in the end like 99% of the scenarios you make lol
@andrealouro38257 ай бұрын
You should make a continuation of possibility/scenario 1, after the war.
@datdumbguy10677 ай бұрын
9:30, Russia would've also probably taken Memel, and Denmark would've been forced by Britain, France, and Russia to reannex Schleswig. Otherwise the treaty makes sense as a mild treaty.
@thesebastanian5677 ай бұрын
Yes make a third (?) part!
@imperify76717 ай бұрын
Germany in this timeline would be more than capable of taking on russia and france alone
@Heron3037 ай бұрын
i would really love to see the continuation of the last scenario. How could ww2 look with this minor but important changes
@EldritchCat7 ай бұрын
I think the 1st scenario, with Germany suffering minor losses is the one that would be the most interesting moving forward. the 3rd one is too similar to our timeline and the a german victory makes them too powerful imo
@EmperorCaligula_EC7 ай бұрын
In can't be the only one who first read "Australia". XD
@hiok47485 ай бұрын
3:14 is that lithuania?!
@rabadalsko49937 ай бұрын
What happened to AH? Is there a first video I should watch?