What if Italy Discovered America?

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[@hanifinio]

What was that ad??? Made my day

[@barsukascool]

No thanks

[@GigaRoman]

What if everything went perfect for Italy? (Not fascist)

[@shzarmai]

cool video. what if an Independent Mayan empire existed today?

[@shzarmai]

what If the Iroqouis Confederacy survived till today as an Independent sovereign nation-state?

[@w.n2425]

You know how in the “What if everything went PERFECT for *Insert Country*” he states that he wont make it “X Country annexes the world, the end” I kind of want him to make a version of that series detailing how a country could conquer the world

[@saccorhytus]

isn’t that literally what he does

[@RelfGamer]

that would be interesting... but also in what time to start

[@vini333go3]

​@@RelfGamer we would start when we need to start

[@YeamaP]

What if Everything went HORRIBLE for the World? Nazi Germany Attempts to Conquer the Entire World for Some Reason Idk (Nazi Germany was once of the few country with such a large ambition so i guess that would have to be the starting point for this kinda senario).

[@kxmapper]

That's just a modern america with all their non-profit organisations

[@kagesmith4011]

Idea: what if the western Roman Empire survived instead of the eastern Roman Empire

[@creeperpl4yer]

This is the best idea I've heard! I hope he sees this

[@TurtleShinobi42]

There's a video about it on youtube by neatling if you're interested

[@TheTimurdempire]

This is great

[@mewmere6069]

great idea

[@HistoricalNerd]

That has already been done by Neastling

[@julioeverything3614]

The best Scenario for Italy finding America is if Italy manages to unify then discover America

[@anvos658]

Problem being you can't really deal with the Papal State until after the Reformation, since before that all you're doing is giving more established powers an excuse to invade you.

[@TroysMoviesGaming]

Absolutely, but idk if that would even be realistic considering all the small states that are there at that time and nationalism not really existing yet

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

​@@TroysMoviesGamingand I think another big factor is foreign interest, like Spain and Austria would likely not be willing to give up their Italien possessions without a fight

[@Samuil-iq6eb]

@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 Spain didn't exist.

[@ender5466]

@@Samuil-iq6ebSpain sort of did, as the crowns of Castile and Aragon were in a personal union.

[@no_senseman1719]

Idea: What if Italy unified during the Renaissance, successfully avoiding the carving of the peninsula by European powers and slowly building an unified state

[@Bordigoid]

As an Italian I think it could be really interesting to see how a unified Italian state would compete with the others European powers. My take is that they end up unified by either the Medici or Venice, in any case it would be a republic, as it was quite common and was the eventual evolution of the northern communal system.

[@stylus_sheath]

Vatican state made it impossible.

[@matteorizzi487]

​@@Bordigoid we can either get the Magnifico's dream come true, or get them united by getting piece after piece to keep the balance of power in the franco-habsburg struggle

[@no_senseman1719]

​@@stylus_sheath I think they could get the pope's favor, either making him into some important role in this state or at least favoring his personality. We are really talking about a medieval kind state, not a modern unitary one, at least it would start as a confederation and it would be a great opportunity for the pope to shift italy away from the HRE definitely

[@MatteoRomanelli-kl9fb]

What if Italy is unified via the princeps so acclaimed by Maccchiavelli (none other than Cesare Borgia) in the early to mid 16th century? Consequently providing thIs unified Italy with a foothold in Spain due to the obvious Borgia’s origins. This might provIde Italy some interesting opening into the strait of Gibraltar.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Suggestion what if both branches of the house of Habsburg survived (No wars of spanish and austrian succession)

[@Pigraider268]

But without the war of Spanish Succession they wouldn't survived on the throne as Charles II was so inbred he couldn't normally function much less marry and provide heirs *even female ones). Better scenario would be to allow Habsburgs to win War of Spanish Succession instead

[@Marmatari2317]

As an Italian, hearing Medishi instead of Medici made me almost sick……But I have to say that you made a good video! Keep going with this amazing scenarios!

[@user-uf3tr5bp9d]

Verissimo guarda

[@arvaakuka8568]

Mesitzi

[@IMPORTADOZAPOPAN-zq3oh]

So you say it medichi?

[@JB-bb1bh]

What if medici went to Japan?

[@lucianapalmisano918]

​@@IMPORTADOZAPOPAN-zq3oh I think? English is not my native language I am Italian

[@farfar6962]

Spain:LOOK WHAT YOU DID AUSTRIA AUSTRIA:IT WAS YOUR FAULT SPAIN France:nice!!!

[@Benito-lr8mz]

Charles V ( Hispanic-Habsburgs)is a son of Spanish Princess not a Austrian 100% fathers by the way Austria left the equation in a great part

[@Totomy2011]

@@Benito-lr8mzson of a Spanish queen*

[@migueljoserivera9030]

@@Benito-lr8mz Charles V was raised by his granfather Maximilian I of Habsburg, Archduke of Austria and Emperor of the HRE, and ruled from Vienna. The fact that his mother was Joana I QUEEN of Castile and Princess of Aragon, Naples, Sicily and Sardinia doen't change much. Also, Charles V was grandson of the 4 most powerful rulers in Europe only behind the Ottoman Emperor and on-par with the French King, so he was 25% Austrian, 25% Castilian, 25% Burgundian and 25% Aragonese.

[@danielguerrero894]

@@Benito-lr8mz Da igual,nació en Bélgica y no pisó España hasta los 18,de español tenía 0,y lo demuestran las guerras que hubo en Castilla contra el porque era practicamente volverse una colonia del SIRG,lo que terminó siendo.

[@MoritzAxmann]

I love the merch pillow but I think it’s a bit suspicious to have a PH pillow without my friends and family, knowing about your channel

[@creeperpl4yer]

😂

[@RNKel1]

And the color scheme just happened to include orange…

[@YaBoiBaxter2024]

This would be quite interesting for the Renaissance as the greater wealth from the lucrative Americas (especially those in modern Peru and Mexico) would help further the funding of things like art, statues and philosophy, which would help in the rise of universities and colleges on the mainland of Florence and the rest of the Italian peninsula. Perhaps the Renaissance would carry on for atleast another century, leading to a resurgence in Italian identity as heirs of Classical Roman civilisation. Another thing to take into account would be the Papal states as that same wealth would enrich the Catholic Church further and empowering their already strong authority.

[@Spoon80085]

If we're going full alt history induced hysteria, we could make it prevent the Protestant Reformation due to the Catholic Church having money from the Americas instead of Indulgences (This is basically impossible, but cool)

[@testascura.1874]

hey great comment but as Italian I have unfortunatly bust this interesting scenario; I have to explain what Renaissance actually was at the time, it was surely a rediscovery of classic culture, but a lot of art stuff was financed by nobles families; but you might think why this happened. It was more of less like the space race in Cold War the "signorie" of center-north Italy were rival, at the time they were the economic power house of Europe, but no one of them was enough strong to unify Italy; so they began to build art masterpieces to flex theyre power; the more beautiful was the court the more important was the signoria Renascence would probably be more philosophy centrated and having signorie alleys each other would likely have turned out in less paintings and less monument/churches. The saved money would be spent in the "compagnia delle indie occidentali italiane" ps sorry for my broken English

[@rey_nemaattori]

@@testascura.1874 Basically, instead of killing each other, the Italians simply waged war with art, leading to an explosion of innovation.

[@testascura.1874]

@@rey_nemaattori yes but unfortunately we also had normal wars this was a sort of "parallel way of War" that likely reduced wars instrad of totally avoiding them. But yes to make It simple you are kinda right

[@YaBoiBaxter2024]

@@testascura.1874 As an English speaking native from Britain, yours is decent and thanks for the added context.

[@Maurizio1019]

Suggestion what if Italy unified during the renaissance?

[@InfernosReaper]

To be real, Spain would be struggling to catch up since they have no idea where to go and no ports when they get there, while Italy would be already established. It's entirely possible Spain ends up somewhere else in the Americas That aside, it's kinda weird that the Italian Company didn't give way to Italian Unification

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

I'm wondering tho, if simple things like a tax on the Gibraltar strait for American goods couldn't just completely stop the advance of the Italien company

[@InfernosReaper]

@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 How would would a diminished Spain enforce it and at what point would it be cheaper to just use the wealth the Italian Company accumulated to seize it or bribe the Pope into supporting them?

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

@@InfernosReaper enforcing it would be relatively easy I think because of how narrow it is. You can basically see every passing ship and if you wanted to maybe even fire on them

[@InfernosReaper]

@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 Not if you don't have the resources to deal with "what if they fire back"

[@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV]

Could you do a "What if the Dutch Republic conquered the entire lowlands during the eighty years war?"

[@rey_nemaattori]

Absolutely support this

[@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV]

@@rey_nemaattori Thank you.

[@Tyrone2024_]

They already did, its called New Jersey

[@leoF_0312]

Or Argentina, also the Brazilian surdeste, some Venezuelan colonies spread, and so on.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content! Keep up the good work

[@OrangeSheepPlayz]

Another great video! I love the work, keep it up!

[@yogeshkarandikar2205]

Great Video! Keep it up!

[@Luca-5382]

Good video! Very intresting!

[@TheRacy]

What if Italy unified in a similar time frame as Spain, France, Britain or if Germany did?

[@Noctem_pasa]

One of those examples is not like the others

[@bentleyshay]

@@Noctem_pasaGermany kinda sus

[@TheRacy]

@@Noctem_pasa No shit?

[@Noctem_pasa]

@@TheRacy I misunderstood, thought you were saying “what if Italy unified in a similar time as Spain, France, Britain, or Germany did” as if Germany was comparable to the Renaissance-era national union the others were Mb gng

[@migueljoserivera9030]

@@Noctem_pasa I mean, France unified in the Middle Ages, Spain in the Renaissance and Britain in the Barroque, putting those three toghether is as outlandish as grouping it with Germany. The only thing with them is that they unified in the same generation as the Italians did.

[@CSquared11]

Thank you for always asking the what if’s that I would never even think of.

[@ItalianMonarchist]

Idea what if italy unified in the 1400s

[@Dominik-mo9ko]

another great video by possible history.

[@flamingwolf1]

Honestly I'd love a what if everything went perfectly for the Netherlands video

[@Spoon80085]

I'm sad you didn't talk about Venice at all. I know the chance of them caring, or participating, is slim (given how ludicrously wealthy trade with the Arab states made them) but the production capabilities of their Arsenal alone make them important for naval dominance. If we're assuming an Italian trading company, investment from the Venetians and Genoans could give them some much needed naval power; they'd also have a, frankly, stupid amount of money to play with. Obviously, this is unlikely and a little unrealistic, but an pan-Italian mercantile empire is basically Renaissance on steroids, and is cool to think about (and I think in the spirit of the topic)

[@michelepappalardo4059]

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[@barsukascool]

How

[@aetherfan5910]

​@@barsukascool

[@Pocoyoles]

Same

[@britannicgeneral7460]

That's what I'm saying!

[@aetherfan5910]

ㅤ

[@zaidb9468]

I love your content may you please consider a what if everything went perfect for the ottomans in the future? Thx

[@YeamaP]

This could be very interesting

[@lithunoisan]

🦃

[@TheOrthodox_knight]

Good video keep up

[@theluxmaster1005]

You havent Even watched the entire video my guy:O

[@notdpanda9525]

I think you should do a what if the americas were a small archipelago in the middle of a giant pacific and Atlantic combined. How would history play out afterwards.

[@GrassyHills202]

everything would change...literally...

[@remidepont2603]

Probably France and Ottomans dominating Europe

[@ChatGPT_ChatbotTest]

That would change so much about the water currents and weather that the nations and cultures wouldn't be recogniseable.

[@smallcat848]

The climate would be so messed up we likely wouldn't have a humanity

[@typo4859]

Awesome video as always but that pronunciation of Florence is wild

[@yogeshkarandikar2205]

Yeah

[@TheEntwicklungEnthusiast]

For some reason, I really wish you to do 2 scenarios in 1: What if Poland had a good navy, allowing them to develop very successful sea trade, and what if Christopher Columbus (born as Krzysztof Kolumb) was born in Krakow in 1451

[@AlaukikDevkota0]

Love your videos!!

[@t-uxe5539]

Video suggestion: what if everything went perfect for Spain? I first thought of this for modern Spain but it could also apply to the post-columbian Spain.

[@floor737]

What if Norway Discovered America (They did) (Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenrio)

[@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt]

They didn't do it, not because they didn't arrive, but because they didn't inform Europe and they forgot about it.

[@quujj]

@@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt Well, there was also obviously people already living there. Didn't they discover it? I think Norway is more significant because they WERE the first Europeans there. Columbus marks the first time Europeans were in permanent contact with the Americas (besides Greenland).

[@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt]

@@quujj Hahaha, it's not important if it adds absolutely nothing to the story, We didn't even know that until a few years ago, it doesn't matter at all, and they aren't even the first Europeans, Native Americans already have traces in their DNA that there were Europeans millennia before who mixed

[@danielguerrero894]

@@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt No,la primera mezcla entre nativos y europeos se hizo cuando llevaron indigenas a Islandia en el año 1000,por cierto los viajes de Colón no creo que sean el hecho más importante de la humanidad,quien crea eso primero no sabe de historia y segundo,no sabe ni de la era de la que está hablando.Había ya a principios del siglo XVI muchas dudas a Colón porque ya había habido navegantes portugueses por el atlántico, y uno de ellos Joao Vaz Corte Real estuvo en Terranova en 1473,o incluso pescadores ingleses vascos y portugueses ya estuvieron por esa zona.Por cierto la colonia de vikingos en Groelandia(qué es América) duró 500 años,hasta 1450 precisamente.

[@shzarmai]

what if France was the first European country to 'discover' the Americas?

[@ClanGaming635]

The worst scenario

[@Cav-zk4gt]

Never say that again

[@YaBoiBaxter2024]

​@@ClanGaming635Didn't realise that you were subbed to this channel! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@shzarmai]

@@Cav-zk4gt lol I would say that again

[@solis1171]

Please no

[@Hahatomato]

Another great PH video! 🥵

[@bleanG]

Liked the Premiere with RH

[@bobthybuilder841]

yay i got no life so im first

[@barsukascool]

Literally me

[@mateuszlinke7469]

This is probably the only way to type "first" thst I can tolerate

[@concept5631]

​@@mateuszlinke7469 Mood

[@thenamesianna]

You should continue your "triumphs of war" series, I'd suggest with either France or the UK.

[@albertoj.tomates2553]

It's interesting to see how perfect things really went for Spain irl

[@Wertzuio]

honestly its a miracle that at no point in history one nation/dynasty had complete control over europe

[@Gwebb74]

Does the final coalition against Napoleon controlled by Britain count?

[@qhu3878]

charlemange? almost at least

[@keterpatrol7527]

Unsure on the possibility on this scenario, but what if the Kingdoms of Castile and Leon never united, thus never forming the foundation of what would become Spain?

[@migueljoserivera9030]

That'd be pure chaos the border could be anywhere and could either not afect the rest of the world or change all colonialism ever. Literally all combinations have happened during the Reconquista, you'd just have a Spain and Portugal/Navarra/Aragon/Valencia, since more than two countries wouldn't be stable in Iberia and allways the bigger one would be called Spain (Hispania, España, Espanha or Espanya). The only meaningful diference is that in the specific case where Navarra stays strong Basque would be a pretty big language in Europe and probably in North America and the Caribbean (Somewhat like a "What if Wales unified Britain?" kind of scenario).

[@gabingston3430]

Any Italian state that wanted to colonize outside of the Mediterranean would need either permission from the Iberians to get through the Strait of Gibraltar or a base around said straight, whether it be on the Iberian or African side. As in the video, the most realistic role for the Italians to play in the Americas would be to colonize the Caribbean and grow cash crops.

[@magickush5741]

Great thumbnail, made me click instantly haha

[@valerio5571]

Can you do "what if everything went perfectly for italy" next?

[@kronsbanntin2201]

what if somalia discovered america?

[@anonymuz796]

More like Oman. Somalia was Oman colony

[@ulfzurirksourzukfzofzoufzo5377]

12:25 "China of the Americas" *_shows Indian coins_*

[@destroydude]

How do you make your maps and where do you get the maps? Great video

[@stevezo9125]

They're on his discord

[@GigaRoman]

What if everything went perfect for Italy (not fascist)?

[@davidebommartini1841]

This.

[@pasbaf]

'what if everything went perfect for italy' would be a great video idea l think

[@gegecry]

Video Idea: What If everything went perfect for the axis? I saw that months ago that you Had it as an upcomming Video

[@americanmapping832]

Italy would probably have large swathes over north Africa and coastal Balkan lands. Maybe the Mediterranean coast of the middle east Germany would have much of Europe, the rest of Africa, and the European parts of Russia. Japan would have the entirety of southeast Asia and much of Oceania. Depending on when the British surrender, also Australia. They'd have the Siberian parts of Russia and much of the east and central Asia. Britain has two possibilities, they continue the fight and get conquered, or they give up early. Maybe after the fall of France. If they give up early, their empire will largely stay intact. Africa and eventually India being no more. The u.s has a few possibilities, the could fight, and if everything went perfect they'd lose, or they would sell the Philippines and continue selling oil to Japan. I think the Germans might leave the u.s and Americans alone due to its high German populations. Japan will probably see them as a trusted trading partner. I don't think it's improbable that a far right president gets into office, and takes the very slow transition to a dictatorship. Conquering the Americas under the guise of, "spreading democracy and freedom"

[@josuerosales6485]

Idea: what if Francisco Morazan's United provinces of Central America succeeded and remained stable.

[@Lapantouflemagic0]

As a french, i like these timelines a lot =)

[@bjorntheviking6039]

What's the song/music at 20:03? You use it habitually in your videos and I really like it, but can't find it anywhere.

[@Zooollieg]

Love da new maps :)

[@Cannon530YTOO]

New maps not featured yet. (See orange HRE border next to orange Hungary…)

[@Zooollieg]

@@Cannon530YTOO shhh

[@NewDealChief]

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[@AnthonyKiriakakis]

first time being this early to any video ever hello from chicago

[@thepossessedsabinator734]

Just a few video ideas: What if everything went perfectly for the Congress of Vienna? What if the Greeks avoided Ottoman conquest? What if everything went perfectly for the Qing Dynasty? What if the McMahon-Hussein Correspondence was honored? What if France discovered the Americas? What if Rome fell during the 3rd Century Crisis? What if the Europeans never found America? What if Justinian never tried to restore the Roman Empire?

[@commonz6197]

W video like always

[@lythd]

very interesting scenario

[@0th_Law]

I'd argue that Cortez and Pizzaro were... honestly, just _incredibly_ lucky.

[@SebiSuper9mil]

What if Switzerland expanded a lot more to control the Alps and more

[@user-rc1jf4ks6c]

hey man, what software do u use to make those maps, i kinda wanna use it to make my own fantasy maps etc etc

[@user-yb8wk7lu4j]

Can you do a video where Italy unite before 1861, a good time where this can append are the italian wars

[@noobnaut]

this is the kinda guy i'd watch a sponsor of

[@user-ql5bo1ho9s]

Can you do a what if Shah Rukh kept the Timurid empire together?

[@thenamesianna]

He did get it back together, the real collapse was after he died.

[@user-ql5bo1ho9s]

@@thenamesianna fair point. I meant that what if his heir didn’t mess things up (this is 99% of my Eu4 campaigns)

[@AydoCYH]

HE GOT A SPONSER

[@mildlymaliciousbanana2700]

What if Venice was able to create the Suez Canal with the Mamelukes in the 15th century? It would require delaying ottoman conquest of the Mamelukes, but it sounds interesting to me

[@AshleyGravesreal]

As an italian this indeed was as both interesting and as both unrealistic expect if Italy somehow unified like some alternative history youtubers who you made videos with and then eventually tooked some lands like in faraway andalus yet

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

"What if everything went perfect for Italy" *France gains hegemony over Europe*

[@oversizedspeedbump9375]

UGH gotta go do this in eu4 now....

[@KiraiKatsuji]

I still have the thought of wanting a Part two to some scenarios as either way we are thinking about fiction so why not go all the way

[@danever159]

really wish you did more of what if everything went perfect for X country videos. I already made my own for Italy and UK(mostly) and I wish you did those to

[@DavetheAf]

This is a perfect scenario, i was thinking about it recently

[@brandonsansom514]

You should make a video about what if rome discovered American

[@DapperDonkey]

Video idea: what if the russian provisional republic never fell, ie what if kerensky (i think that was his name) didnt screw up quite as badly

[@purplejaedd5067]

Could you please do a “What if everything went PERFECT for the Natives?” Maybe you could focus on the Inca or something else? I would love to see an alt history where they aren’t all massacred 😢

[@radiovendemiaire5402]

Suggestion: What if Richard II was never deposed

[@lucwarfel]

I think youre forgetting the sheer monetary might of italy at this time. Who needs a kingdom backing you when you can just keep buying armies and fleets?

[@connoreddings1314]

I also love House MD

[@RoseGod0682]

Possible continuation is that if the last scenario happens and Genoa joins the United Italy that means Napoleon stays in that country so that’s a scenario where Napoleon units all of Italy and tries to remake the Roman Empire. Just a thought I had while watching

[@sachacendra3187]

Although in the pessimist scenarii, there would probably be Italian based creoles which is cool.

[@ultrabeargames314]

18:07 it is my friend. it is.

[@mewmere6069]

you should do a video on a different German state uniting Germany (could be Bavaria or Saxony it doesn't really matter)

[@AC-kb3uk]

can you do a what if where italy united in 1454 and then discovers the America's, i have seen a few videos where they cover what if italy united in 1454 but they only went on to the late 15th century, soo can you do that and explore a earlier united italy discovering the Americans

[@whitehawk4099]

No comments about the Spanish conquering North Africa instead? They were going to go somewhere, so why not have them already committed to North Africa? This would prevent them from committing to the New World early on, but still channel the energy into somewhere realistic.

[@DJCh3fVR.]

What software do u use for these maps

[@thomaslewandowski3724]

As a french, i see this as an absolute victory !

[@joshuatitanicdodomaster9826]

Can you make a video about what if everything when perfect for the Netherlands

[@PainDude-vh6nk]

I have an idea for a scenario! What if History went perfect for Eastern Rome?

[@geoffreytotton1983]

Interesting

[@Par779ker]

I would love to see a video where the “Trail of Tears” never happened

[@NovikNikolovic]

Remember he did the video on how to save the Byzantine Empire by making the Varna Crusades successful? I kind of want a part 2 and see if the Byzantines also colonize America. It may be stretching their capabilities a little bit, but hey, he already did that with Italy, so let's see.

[@simulacrumpilot2777]

Even Spain's fellow Catholics like Italy had this many problems with them. How do you think Spain would ever allow the Orthodox Byzantines?

[@JoboGamezzz]

Dang was hoping for the rad Genoa empire

[@JohnDoe-qx1eb]

Could you do what if everything went Perfectly for Hawai'i?

[@JohnDoe-uc4uu]

Its come out in the past several years that the Italians already knew of the Americas

[@StrangeGamer859]

IDEA: What if as many countries as possible managed to succesfully colonize the Americas?

[@Rcmark70]

Idea: What if Hitler and Stalin died in August of 1941

[@Munkeyy]

could you do another hoi4 video?

[@Xcyiterr]

even the absolute best case scenario for a colonial italy still feels depressingly underwhelming this scenario should have gone further down the best case route, even at the cost of being completely unrealistic would have been super interesting imo

[@arasgee9184]

What if the Invincible Armada conquered England?

[@YaBoiBaxter2024]

As an Englishman reconsidering Catholicism, I think that's pretty based! 🇪🇸

[@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt]

Armada* which literally means navy, Spain never called its navy invincible.

[@crafterrium8724]

@@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt he said armada?

[@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt]

@@crafterrium8724 Without invincible

[@crafterrium8724]

@@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt but he said invincible too