I didn't even vote and i could see the terror coming from a mile away
@ConmanCAM Жыл бұрын
I felt it in my bones as soon as I saw the video
@donpollo3154 Жыл бұрын
This world was screwed as soon as they remade massive poland
@Maxzes_ Жыл бұрын
I was late 😢 And the last time he let his (discord) viewers vote, it was a mess
@Wyliecoy0te Жыл бұрын
Me too
@SS_Atlantic_Greyhound1119 Жыл бұрын
Same here
@ammazer1229 Жыл бұрын
Someone unironically thought that not giving Russia land after the war would have been a good idea.
@Warcrimy Жыл бұрын
They did not only not given Russia any land, but actually took what Russia already had in Poland. Knowing who got the biggest army at the end of the war not a very smart move indeed
@whitnip7868 Жыл бұрын
dont let the modern russia hater affect alt hist too much~
@kxmapper Жыл бұрын
Ppl just hate Russia, that's all
@mrsillytacos Жыл бұрын
@@whitnip7868he probably doesn't even know the difference between the Russian Empire and modern russia
@donpollo3154 Жыл бұрын
@@mrsillytacos they have the same flag therefore they are exactly the same
@theultimatefreak666 Жыл бұрын
We need to make this an annual thing with each year having some additional weirder choices (like big expansion of the Netherlands into germany)
@Imulti Жыл бұрын
You're genius
@quempire2656 Жыл бұрын
nahhh
@RichD1 Жыл бұрын
Sealand taking all costal territory in the world
@chimera9818 Жыл бұрын
Greater Dutch empire for the win
@quempire2656 Жыл бұрын
@@RichD1 sealand hyperborea
@witchking1558 Жыл бұрын
As a German, I think the scenario worked out quite well.
@monsieurlefrog8706 Жыл бұрын
as a brit, same
@chinesetaxevader Жыл бұрын
@@monsieurlefrog8706sadly I think if the timeline would keep going our 2 nations will somehow manage to be at each others throat again and eventually go to war
@mohamedrafik2237 Жыл бұрын
I hope Germany gets all of western north Africa I really hate knowing how to speak french
@chinesetaxevader Жыл бұрын
@@mohamedrafik2237 praying for Mittelafrika🙏 maybe they get morroco too I think they had Trading interest there
@mohamedrafik2237 Жыл бұрын
@@chinesetaxevader I want them to get Algeria too
@francogiobbimontesanti3826 Жыл бұрын
I love how Spain and Russia get punished even tho they were arguably the most important factors in Napoleons lost. I do agree with the viewers view on Italy tho. Allowing them to unify early would have probably been a good thing.
@chimera9818 Жыл бұрын
Realistically what caused their problems was having their leadership being totalitarian for decades and damaged southern Italian growth and also join the axis in ww2
@diesesphil Жыл бұрын
Crazy how every single alt history scenario ends with a better ending for germany than the canon one
@inquisitorphoenix5353 Жыл бұрын
Yeah because we had one of the worst. We had an kaiser witch was full of hatred so that we even had a song „we want our old kaiser Wilhelm back, but the one either beard“ (Wilhelm the first) and after that we hat another psychopath with health problems how wants to erase hole nations. Sooooooo yeah…hard to get something worse than that two characters….😒
@juliandamen9804 Жыл бұрын
Yeah the Germans kinda lost everything in the 20th century, despite their great potential as set up in the 19th century. It's difficult to think of realistic ways that Germany gets fucked over more
@gengarzilla1685 Жыл бұрын
If only Kaiser Frederick III and his pro-liberal outlook hadn't died in 99 days.
@genovayork2468 Жыл бұрын
Or... you know... I'll say it... PH is a Germaboo.
@Rexbob444 Жыл бұрын
@@genovayork2468 I think it’s less that and more when you give Prussia a lot more land in the peace conference meaning they have a far stronger economy, and you put Austria in a position where it is going to collapse and lead to it likely being consumed into Germany and leaving the smaller German states no other choice but to be joined into Germany. This leads to a super Germany which when you combine them with Britain, the strongest world power at the time and put them up against a weakened France, Spain, and Russia they most likely win
@hiimme12345 Жыл бұрын
Y'know, you present Europe as being in tatters but the earlier 1870's WWI is probably far less deadly than the one in our timeline
@mastersafari5349 Жыл бұрын
Agree. The reason why WWI was so deadly was because all major European powers were blue-balled for 100 years😅
@AyaanGaming2211 Жыл бұрын
The german british vs france spain russia war IS the ww1 of this timeline
@matthiuskoenig3378 Жыл бұрын
he predicts 1850s/1860s. meaning it predates any american civil war (assuming no major butterflies to usa) and just as importantly there has been no crimean war infact this great war is ALSO this time line's crimean war, same time period and likely same starting causes. except france has been swapped to Russia's side (alongside spain, and possibly a unified italy) being replaced by a unified germany. what we saw in the crimean war was still mass deaths in trench warfare, but with worse medical knowledge and techniques [more wounded and sick = dead] and inexperiance facing new rifles and artillery caused mass casaulties. the Death rate for the crimean war was almost 40% compared to ww1's 14% dead (or us civil war's 20%). its basically the us civil war but more brutal (less counters to new techniques, less cultural ties and more animosity between combatants) and more than 6 times the size (almost 7 times infact) due to the larger populations involved.
@MrToymaster1 Жыл бұрын
@@matthiuskoenig3378so basically take the American civil war but in Europe. Congratulations everyone; we’ve caused WW1 60 years ahead of schedule and put Europe on a path to an early WW2
@buddermonger2000 Жыл бұрын
@matthiuskoenig3378 Well, the death rate for the Crimean War was due to disease, and overall due to poor local conditions and conduct of the war. However, breech loaders are still only marginally in use, and the machine gun roughly 50 years off as only the gatling gun really exists yet. Modern artillery still not really a large factor either. This means that you probably have a less deadly war because what made the war so deadly was industrial technology and scale, which in this timeline, isn't actually yet achievable. Not to mention the industrial population growth hasn't yet occurred meaning there just aren't enough men to create the conditions for The Great War of our timeline.
@KarthikAyyalasomayajula Жыл бұрын
Honestly this is probably one of the best alternate history videos I've watched because instead of just a one sentence "what if" scenarios. It takes a somewhat unrealistic scenario with varied inputs but follows a realistic path to what we saw irl
@Destructor45098 Жыл бұрын
As an italian I see this scenario as an absolute win!
@GigaRoman Жыл бұрын
S ame
@ottervonbismarck6331 Жыл бұрын
Same here 🇩🇪
@achaeanmapping4408 Жыл бұрын
Judging from the pfp, a specific type of Italian...
@GigaRoman Жыл бұрын
@@achaeanmapping4408 yep 😐
@fish5671 Жыл бұрын
there is distinct lack of dalmatia in this italy...
@jgr7487 Жыл бұрын
Alexander could have negotiated that one of his brothers would be crowned King of Poland & another be King of Finland. Internally, these would have been just a partitioning of Emperor Paul's territory among his sons. One of the 3 brothers would be kept in Russia to secure the succession.
@Gabowsk Жыл бұрын
This still doesn't guarantee the balance of power, because Russia still lost territories.
@jgr7487 Жыл бұрын
@@Gabowsk Russia would have lost land to Russia.
@jgr7487 Жыл бұрын
@@Gabowsk nice Swadloon pic.
@Gabowsk Жыл бұрын
@@jgr7487 Actually, that's right. They would've been part of the same realm, essentially. I don't think that would've kept the balance of power though. Russia would've felt betrayed regardless.
@jgr7487 Жыл бұрын
@@Gabowsk you're right. if war doesn't break as soon as the Congress of Vienna ends, the death of Alexander I of Russia would start the War of Russian Succession.
@aleclul2163 Жыл бұрын
This is why you can't let "My little dark age" edits creators become diplomats
@quempire2656 Жыл бұрын
Nah this was redditors fr
@groherzogtummapping867 Жыл бұрын
@@quempire2656The venn diagram of those two groups is basically a circle though.
@wildfire9280Ай бұрын
@@quempire2656 there’s a difference?
@Simply_Dark47 Жыл бұрын
As a German i must say this is a pretty decent timeline.
@Pedro_Ferrandi2 ай бұрын
Italian here and same, we got everything we could have desired except for Dalmatia🇮🇹
@Tiex2248 Жыл бұрын
I love this series it gives the viewers the opportunity to change things and creates a messy alternative history scenario
@sirpixel7945 Жыл бұрын
Congress of Vienna but everyone who signed it was drunk:
@opiterturpilinus2248 Жыл бұрын
Someone should really make a Victoria 2 mod based off this would be awsome
@opiterturpilinus2248 Жыл бұрын
Also if someone does do this mod could you add an option to create Mittelafrika that would be cool if done
@fish5671 Жыл бұрын
that's never going to happen
@opiterturpilinus2248 Жыл бұрын
@@fish5671 maybe not but it would be cool
@thermite547 Жыл бұрын
It actually makes me angry that all the redditors came out in force absolutely ruined the map lol
@izawa9211 Жыл бұрын
If that was the case all of europe would have been gray
@quempire2656 Жыл бұрын
Yeah “ poland litherinooo is so wholesome chungus 100 reddit gold!”
@cyganskadywizjapiechoty Жыл бұрын
Catalunia!!!!@@quempire2656
@marysartr Жыл бұрын
@@quempire2656"hurr durr pootin bad he clearly was alive in the 19th century!"
@notlucas6859 Жыл бұрын
@@quempire2656 i love poland lithuania as well, but even i knew making russia lose land was the worst idea ever. i did not advocate for PL to be restored either cause it would kill europe. when i saw that super massive PL get restored my jaw dropped
@zlboyle90 Жыл бұрын
This timeline is both hilarious and horrifying. I want to see it continued. Maybe a smaller video in what the United States is doing along this dumpster fire of a period in alternate history.
@boaoftheboaians Жыл бұрын
They probably wouldn't have much weight, and I don't think the American Civil War changes all that much so prob not much difference except the US being way less relevant in this alternate WW1 than in our timeline
@CMitchell808 Жыл бұрын
This carnage in Europe probably means a constant flow of immigrants from Europe to America. This is good in the long term, but nativism was really strong at this time in the States, so you’d probably get more backlash from the WASPs.
@zlboyle90 Жыл бұрын
Maybe the British bring the US in to hurt France and Spain in the new world once a war kicks off. Or Russia sells Alaska to the US earlier. If other European nations are financially crippled, the US might purchase their territories in the new world.
@firemangan Жыл бұрын
@@CMitchell808Not to mention, the US went as far as implementing the exclusion act on the Chinese as they flooded in droves at the west, we would most likely see the same result in this timeline resulted from the massive influx of those immigrants flooding in.
@cyancat8633 Жыл бұрын
Imagine living in this timeline
@gengarzilla1685 Жыл бұрын
You should also let your viewers decide on the post-WW1 borders, because this interactive concept is hilarious and I love the viewer integration. Plus I also want to see exactly how many nations get salty over the handiwork of the world's worst diplomats.
@MrToymaster1 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@gengarzilla1685 Жыл бұрын
Post-WW2 borders might be an even better idea now that I thought more about this, as the original idea for this thing did come from another person doing it for WW1.
@jeroenboth167 Жыл бұрын
I am curious how this scenario will turn out 🙂 Edit: the way you made this alternative scenario was genius and so in depth it was really great
@stevezo9125 Жыл бұрын
Probably horribly
@stevezo9125 Жыл бұрын
Jeez it turned out worse than i could've imagined
@genovayork2468 Жыл бұрын
You must joke with the edit lmao.
@jeroenboth167 Жыл бұрын
@@genovayork2468 why would it be an joke?
@genovayork2468 Жыл бұрын
@@jeroenboth167 You're telling me you're not joking?
@Leo-ok3uj Жыл бұрын
The voters of this thing truly acted like Total War/Paradox AI Or maybe they are geniuses who went all in for Italian and German unification
@marcusmagni Жыл бұрын
As an Italian I see this as an absolute win
@rimaclesevelc1027 Жыл бұрын
Guys! Do we really deserve a second chance after the horrors we've created?
@shadowbladesabre1945 Жыл бұрын
Yes! Let's see how badly we can mess up the world next time! It'll be great!
@Astralreaper7955 Жыл бұрын
No no we don't we would just cause a mass extinction because of that
@JCEurovisionFan1996 Жыл бұрын
Man, this is big-time slayage in Europe, as the viewers want more border-gore in Germany that I guess mappers would have a hard time drawing its borders.
@1mol831 Жыл бұрын
Can we border gore the Americas? They are too peaceful for their own good
@wormlington Жыл бұрын
The Berlin conference video is both exciting and terrifying
@thatupsidedowncountryball Жыл бұрын
i bet it will all go to portugal
@the11382 Жыл бұрын
@@thatupsidedowncountryball Nah, Germany will get a lot of colonies instead. Oh and Belgium/Leopold II will get nothing.
@mappingshaman5280 Жыл бұрын
I reckon >mittelafrika >pink map >France gets nothing except Algiers >boer South Africa
@chimera9818 Жыл бұрын
Realistically it will probably be what would be the what seem to be most important actions
@yets0 Жыл бұрын
@@mappingshaman5280also british/german morocco
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын
16:03 Awesome man! Gonna be right there and lets hope for a better outcome🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@LuisHenrique-vo4kn Жыл бұрын
In the scramble for Africa video there should be a poll to give all of Africa to Portugal, everyone votes yes and the video is 20 seconds long
@pieceofschmidtgamer Жыл бұрын
Europe: *burns down* Possible History: Discord! How could this happen?! You said you were watching it! Discord: I was. It was beautiful!
@zenotyne961 Жыл бұрын
Speaking about humiliating Spain, we forgot to give Galicia to Portugal since that tends to happen everytime in alternate history.
@theChaosKe Жыл бұрын
Germany and Brittain now thats one hell of a tag team
@PizzaChess69 Жыл бұрын
As a German, I love this scenario ❤
@mehdimehdi3631 Жыл бұрын
this is the perfect timeline
@apineapple3177 Жыл бұрын
Fr Fr
@chimera9818 Жыл бұрын
Realistically it puts Germany in best position with more possibilities to carve ottomans and Russia and France
@DDS_2007 Жыл бұрын
An indipendent venice would have never wanted to join italy under the monarchy of the savoy
@_RedRightHand_ Жыл бұрын
With the brilliant maneuvers of the YT voters, WW1 broke out 60 years early
@genovayork2468 Жыл бұрын
The maneuvers were not that bad, just that the youtuber is incompetent and makes fun of the audience.
@yets0 Жыл бұрын
@@genovayork2468the things that we voted on were terrible
@genovayork2468 Жыл бұрын
@@yets0 Apart from Russia, Sardinia and maybe Catalonia, no.
@silentnight6810 Жыл бұрын
@@genovayork2468 the audience deserves it. That map is atrocious and could only exist if all the treaty makers were taking copious amounts of drugs.
@genovayork2468 Жыл бұрын
@@silentnight6810 Why?
@badusername9903 Жыл бұрын
having your viewers redraw various regions borders in the most atrocious way possible and then just guessing what would happen afterwards is an extremely funny video format
@andreman86 Жыл бұрын
Holy Tree, that deplomacy was absolute fire 🔥🔥🔥 You can't lie, it's impressive how we managed to destroy Europe in like 30 years! Like frfr we did it
@zerefsunlimitedshipworks Жыл бұрын
Absolute dumpster fire.
@achaeanmapping4408 Жыл бұрын
We did it reddit! We caused a world war...
@buddermonger2000 Жыл бұрын
Yeah actually you managed to start another major war 20 years early
@cyrap6165 Жыл бұрын
As a german I see this as an absolute win
@ibraheemshuaib8954 Жыл бұрын
Thinking about it, without the German Empire becoming fascist, there is nothing inherently bad about German domination in Europe
@hugosousa2806 Жыл бұрын
Best intro for a video you ever made, absolutily love it xD
@prywatne47332 ай бұрын
the irony of him saying that this timeline would be worse, when from everything he is talking about, it seems way better than the real timeline, for every single country except Russia, but even for them, it's not that bad since they still gained land in relation to pre-french revolution europe
@Bloomario-gw5tj Жыл бұрын
dude just insults us throughout the video AND I LOVE IT
@SigmaItalian Жыл бұрын
This map is insane but I wonder how it plays out 🙂
@mambutooluwasegufuminitoto8615 Жыл бұрын
You should definitely do this with the WW2 peace treaties, loving this series already :)
@lljkgktudjlrsmygilug Жыл бұрын
Morgenthau will look like a Nazi apologist.
@ЕгорРыбин-у8т Жыл бұрын
I'm really interested in seeing a video on "What if Napoleon Lived to See 1850s". Third time the charm, baby!
@psych0536 Жыл бұрын
I voted in pretty much every instance in the interest of preserving balance of power and basically letting France keep what they kept in our timeline, and mostly sticking to our timeline in everything, except trying to push for a small but more independent Poland and a less Austrian controlled Italy with a much stronger Sardinian buffer state
@Wendeta-hq2cp Жыл бұрын
Congratulations! You contributed to the creation of an early Italy!
@mappingshaman5280 Жыл бұрын
I voted to punish France and their allies but not too harshly, reward anti napoleon powers but not too much and try and create great powers to balance one another out e.g big Venice and big sardinia
@N.Aristotle Жыл бұрын
If the map which i wanted happened, WW1 would immediately break out.
@nobody_expects_me Жыл бұрын
Honestly great content, really fascinating to see how good the real treaty of vienna has been
@datdumbguy1067 Жыл бұрын
Yeah due to the unreasonable punishments of not only the loosing countries But also the winning countries, I could see a new alliance between the most punished countries, France, Russia, and Denmark.
@genovayork2468 Жыл бұрын
France was barely punished. Anyway such an alliance would be excrement.
@realbaron5714 Жыл бұрын
We need a third part of this, good video.
@Dude-vq3oe Жыл бұрын
0:12 Is that amount of border gore in and around what would be modern-day Germany… normal?
@mackycabangon8945 Жыл бұрын
yea that is what germany looked like in otl
@Dude-vq3oe Жыл бұрын
Ok. Thanks.
@mayonnaiseonahotdog76744 ай бұрын
The Holy Roman Empire was a mess
@mayonnaiseonahotdog76744 ай бұрын
This is after the Holy Roman Empire but the borders mostly looked the same as the hre
@lenecrogaming1883 Жыл бұрын
As a french i almost had hope to see a competant Napoleon III but we've been cruched even with big bro russia's help ;-;
@mappingshaman5280 Жыл бұрын
I mean napoleon iii was quite competent, he just wasn't his uncle
@lenecrogaming1883 Жыл бұрын
@@mappingshaman5280 i know but he underestimated his ennemies and his generals were bad on the front
@gengarzilla1685 Жыл бұрын
In the end, they _were_ facing the veritable twin navy/army juggernauts of Europe. Britain and Germany would complement each other stunningly well if circumstances gave them shared foes.
@baul997 Жыл бұрын
@@gengarzilla1685 not to forget that one of the best generals at the time after napoleon were von Moltke
@JDWatkins-ws4jt Жыл бұрын
This just shows how good the real Congress of Vienna was in maintaining balance in Europe
@niekhofman428 Жыл бұрын
This series is awesome man! Keep it coming🙌🏻🙌🏻
@clipsladheavyoneslad3941 Жыл бұрын
Rah the berlin conference, I can just tell people are gonna give britain like no colonies and half of Africa to germany
@limeliciousmapping4652 Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this video! Spicing your videos up with some chaos always puts a smile on my face, thank you!
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын
Huge fan of yours fr LATAM! Colombian here! Please consider doing a perfect episode for us! 🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@bengwang758 Жыл бұрын
This was a great video concept ❤ . Would live to See this series return.
@numbdeeds3878 Жыл бұрын
As a hungarian I see this as an absolute win
@Perrirodan1 Жыл бұрын
His map of Hungary makes no sense
@Inzersdorf93 Жыл бұрын
@@Perrirodan1yeah, the scenario is quite unlikely. If a Hungarian revolution is successful, then it would still be at war with the Habsburg-loyal Croatians. And if the Hungarians were successful then Vienna was successful as well and has deposed the Habsburgs.
@toeornottoe4951 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are so cool thank you
@Gino3mila Жыл бұрын
Finally Italy and Germany arent the only two collapsed
@pika7592 Жыл бұрын
I liked a lot the background music, nice choices!
@timestorm5687 Жыл бұрын
Viewer scenario: what if at any point in history since chiles creation, the rest of the world just kinda decided to give all their coast to Chile (with the exception of small island like Jamaica, larger ones like the ones in Indonesia still give their coast to Chile) if you want an advanced edition, you could also give continents away to their respective noodle country, like Vietnam gets asia, either Croatia or Norway gets europe, maybe Somalia gets africa and Chile could either get all of the americas or Panama gets the north and Chile just the south.
@seamusfinnegan1164 Жыл бұрын
I feel like we need to do this again XD although the Africa Conference coming up sounds nice as well
@ottervonbismarck6331 Жыл бұрын
As a German I see this as an absolute Win
@boaoftheboaians Жыл бұрын
I unironically love this concept, I wanna see more!
@yarielrobles9003 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, this is a great timeline
@ganymed899 Жыл бұрын
I love this type of alternate history, do you think that you could maybe make a full alternate history series, from say, 1814, all the way to the modern day? That would be amazing!
@The-Plaguefellow Жыл бұрын
*Russia doesn't get a specific acre of land in what is today Belarus, Ukraine, and Poland.* *A few decades later, this causes Germany to conquer Europe.* It may be one of many possibilities, but what an interesting domino effect of events that was.
@matthiuskoenig3378 Жыл бұрын
its not just they don't get land, its also that they loose land unfairly (and a fair amount of it too)
@abdelrahmantarek5439 Жыл бұрын
@@matthiuskoenig3378 was that pun intended?
@F3uertrunk3n Жыл бұрын
9:25 I'm absolutely mesmerized by this transition thingy
@owoc8260 Жыл бұрын
You need to make more videos about the future of europe whose borders are being made by the geostrategists of HOI4
@mackenziebeeney3764 Жыл бұрын
Eh a German-Anglo alliance could probably hold together. Under that end map, it’s only vulnerable to a German naval arms race which would be monumentally stupid.
@Usepe Жыл бұрын
The only thing that I'd find unplausible is Spain helping Fr and Ru in a massive European war, because they almost have nothing to gain by angering the two most indutrious and powerful empires. I could also see Germany annexing Courland and breaking Livonia off Russia to cut off Riga and hamper their Baltic Fleet's power projection, but leaving Lithuania as its own separate subservient duchy or under Polish rule is more probable than being annexed by Ge, since there is little to nothing to gain by annexing foreign unruly agricultural land tht gives you a huge border with the power you just declared victory over.
@Wendeta-hq2cp Жыл бұрын
The Baltic Duchies actually held some German nobility if I'm not mistaken. I don't see Germany annexing Lithuania either though since they actually aren't German, but there is still the possibility that Britain told Germany no on the Baltics so they pushed for Lithuania instead. We have to remember that the Germany of this timeline has an influx of Austrians who are used to accounting for unruly peoples, not to mention that Germany in general is *much* stronger since this is Greater Germany, not Lesser Germany.
@pedrofr1434 Жыл бұрын
Spain and Russia: *being the two most important factors of napoleon´s defeat* their allies: f*ck you, you don´t deserve nothing but humilliation
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын
Wake up guys! Possible history updated!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@NathanAlmostAPolyglot Жыл бұрын
This channel is underrated
@celdur4635 Жыл бұрын
I Dunno, even though Britain was more industrialized than the other nations it was still not a lot in real terms. I think Germany would be stalemated if not overrun eventually by France/Spain/Russia. Through attrition, there are no massive railroads yet. Also, with the addition of southern Germany to Austria, they might actually be stronger and not weaker in this timeline.
@EviMjau Жыл бұрын
Lombardy was the most valueble province in Austria. Just southern Germany is not enough. Mabye if we took the map today it would be stronger
@celdur4635 Жыл бұрын
@@EviMjau Southern Germany had a lot of population Austria needed, "core" German pop to mobilize.
@Geogrek131 Жыл бұрын
You should again make one for the restore of Vienna (the war at the end)
@ColonnelloMartello Жыл бұрын
As an Italian I honestly really like this alternate future
@awestruckcardboard3431 Жыл бұрын
Love this alternative look back made by the viewers, Seeing our consequences on video.
@ZombieNick9 Жыл бұрын
literally yall went "lets punish the victors" and then are surprised that they get angry about it commenters: "let's punish the people who defeated napoleon and lost loads of people for it" major powers: *don't agree* commenters: *surprised Pikachu face*
@Chase92488 Жыл бұрын
ending was honestly dissapointing, we didnt see much of what europe actually looked like in 1850s-1860s after the great war
@ij7231 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a non serious video on "What if the Hussite Reformation managed to conquer the world" (it would be funny) ?
@lolmenx4 Жыл бұрын
3:44 in germany, italy and Spain too, many people forget it bc Spain was already united but they would have 100% reunited after that like the germans did.
@jaysvideos9107 Жыл бұрын
Mistake? No no, this was the plan.
@Jaoheah Жыл бұрын
A part 2/3 to continue this timeline would be nice
@generalaigullletes5830 Жыл бұрын
Nice video as always! I think I disagree, however, that Russia would ever accept 2nd partition borders in the scenario you outlined. Nicholas's throne is unstable as his brother *just* got assasinated for not promoting somewhat hawkish policies and taking over Poland. Between getting overthrown by a coup and securing Russian gains in Poland at a military cost, the Russians would go into Poland; and the coalition of great powers to assemble would be smaller, as I don't think France would *ever* side with the Coalition on a dispute after their mutilated peace treaty. So it'd essentially be Austria, Prussia, and Germany, alongside the UK (and possibly the ottomans or sweden, but sweden's more unlikely) fighting Russia; a fight they could possibly win, if it ever broke out. Or maybe the Congress diplomats just back down, which would be a *massive* failure in the eyes of the public (especially in Britain, where this matters), as the Congress of Vienna fails to keep the peace, prosperity & cooperation it has offered to promote through it's signing, but instead has created major enemies within France and Russia that feel their own pride and national honor is wounded. In my personal opinion, the major world war we have at the end would either be a rapid Franco-Russian victory, or a sluggish war that ends with their defeat. They can EASILY knock out Germany with their numbers alone, especially as the Prussian army isn't *fully* modernized yet, and the differences in artillery technology/tactical strategy wouldn't be as decisive early on. Plus, some of the major commanders on the French side, including Napoleon, aren't old as fuck, so they should be better players in this war than they were in the 1871 one. But I don't think it's a forgone conclusion Germany overpowers the Franco-Russian alliance. The German states are still disorganized after *just* having a revolution, and their military command would need to become one, which can lead to squabbling on it's leader's behalf; whilst Russia already MASSIVELY outnumbers the German forces, and France has more experience and knowledge on logistics & warfare in general. If the battles are victories, I think nothing would stand in the way for a German defeat.
@matthiuskoenig3378 Жыл бұрын
the germans might also be hampered by anti-liberal forces willing to work with especially the russians to undo liberal reforms.
@Pilzpasta16 күн бұрын
14:14 sind damn foolish things in the balkans, is this an Otto von Bismarck reference ?
@thinkforamoment770 Жыл бұрын
Very good video, Honestly it was a very complex scenario and the conclusion was farily realistic. I have, however, two small nitpicks 1. Brittany and Catalonia would of have succumbed to the liberal revolutions of the early 19th century: Nationalism as a concept began spreading in the liberal revolutions that followed napoleons conquest so I dont think proper separatist sentiments existed in this provinces to keep them separated from their original countries. I cant really speak for brittany (as I dont really know about it`s history and maybe the british would have a special interest in mantaining the independence of a brittanic state and help mantain their independence) but in the case of catalonia, catalonian nationalism didnt appear until much latter, during the 1870´s (after the final defeat of the carlists and a movemet of cutural resurgence spreaded across the catalonian petite bourgeoisie that led to the birth of a proper catalonian identity) so this new catalonian state would be left in limbo, existing for the purpose of being a buffer state between France and Spain and needing of great power assistance to fend of pro spanish rebels. And even so, considering the events that were taking place in spain (The 8 de mayo had just happend, a liberal-patriotic revolution to restore a propper spanish government over spain, and the one that was arround the corner, the "pronunciamiento de riego", a liberal revolution that in our timeline was done to force the king to accept the constitution written by the spanish people during french ocupation and that was surly going to be stronger in this one) for as much assistance as they could get, in the end, the wave of spanish panationalists to appeare in catalonia would probably not be defeated without a full invasion of the province (which whitout french support is almost imposible) 2. Napoleon the third could of have comed much earlier into power : Considering how humiliating the peacedeal was for France, its almost certain one of the objectives of the bourgeoisie within france (hence one of the factors that will drive the liberal revolutions at the begining of the century) would be to restore the old french borders. Its also posible that amongs fench society (particularly romantic circles), the times of napoleon are remembered with much more nostalgia, as the times when france was at the peak of its power and had complete territorial integrity. As such, its posible that one of napoleons early coup attemps could of have had greater succes than ir our timeline.
@matthiuskoenig3378 Жыл бұрын
1) Nationalism would have strengthened Brittany and possibly catalonia. In the case of the Bretons, they were not really French until well after the 1870s, very few even spoke french as a 2nd language even in the 1870s and their language and culture isn't even close to french (being much closer to Welsh), Brittany was culturally integrated into france by the efforts of the republics and emperors, mostly by the 3rd republic. Being indepedant the nationalists instead push for Breton nationalism and culture rather than OTL french government quashing it. OTL As part of France you had strong Breton nationalist movements, with Breton indepedance movements resisting the 1st republic and aiding the British including literal uprisings in the 1790s (and ahistory of anti-french revolts long before that). breton peasants even in the 1870s were considered too monarchist, separtist and disloyal (and what we would now call concentration camps were actually set up during the franco-prussian war for bretons). Basically what i am saying is the only way Brittany falls to nationalism is an extrnal french invasion driven by nationalism in france (not french nationalims by bretons). The Catalonians are much closer to the Spainish then the Bretons are to the french, but even they are distinctly different to the Spainish, we a not mutually intelligible language and a distinct culture. catalan nationalism came later IRL, but indepedance would build it up earlier, although Spainish nationalism is still a possibility. 2) largely agree
@chimera9818 Жыл бұрын
@@matthiuskoenig3378also about 1) it would probably cause other minor nations that are distinct enough from their main countries to wants independence
@zombieslayer1468 Жыл бұрын
is the berlin confrence in the irl timeline or in the timeline discussed in this video
@possiblehistory Жыл бұрын
In the IRL timeline, but this makes me think... A longer running series where each episode the viewers vote on the future...?
@MrToymaster1 Жыл бұрын
@@possiblehistoryThat’s just asking for chaos.
@ferns9555 Жыл бұрын
The whole scenario is clearly based around Dutch and polish wetdreams lmao.
@doomchromee8648 Жыл бұрын
Yup
@firemangan Жыл бұрын
Pretty much
@solelak Жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this video for approximately 7 days. Now I can rest and be happy.
@treyebillups8602 Жыл бұрын
If you live anywhere other than Europe this is a great timeline
@stargazer-elite Жыл бұрын
I like the new edits and editing style
@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8 Жыл бұрын
To be honest this Great War might be triggered by the American civil war since Britain and France nearly intervened in our own timeline
@board-qu9iu Жыл бұрын
France also invaded Mexico at that time so it could be the last straw
@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8 Жыл бұрын
@@board-qu9iu so yeah… this time it’s probably not a dam thing in the balkans
@matthiuskoenig3378 Жыл бұрын
on the flip side the crimean war happened around this time irl long before the ACW, and would likely cause a great war in this timeline.
@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8 Жыл бұрын
@@matthiuskoenig3378 if it even happens cause truth be told… Pretty sure the Ottomans would likely just concede to the Russians in this timeline with Austria out of commission and Britain really the only one who would likely help… Ironically negotiating is a possibility
@matthiuskoenig3378 Жыл бұрын
@@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8 honestly didn't consider the Ottomans just concedeing, largely because that would likely cause them to loose face with their empire, most importantly egypt. then again would egypt even be part of the ottomans in this timeline, as the ottomans only won the 1st ottoman-egypitian war in the 1830s and the 2nd in the 1840s due to russian intervention, would the russians of this timeline support the ottomans or aide the egyptians in exchange for land from the ottomans and an alliance? its possible the Ottomans are little more than a rump state in the 1850s in this timeline.
@sarahshaw7315 Жыл бұрын
‘Britian already has two rouge great powers to deal with and nobody to help them’ Only two??
@pancytryna9378 Жыл бұрын
Soo happy to hear about more polls
@patrick4land Жыл бұрын
hola, espero que entiendas español, yo haria que francia dejara de existir, napoleon fallo y francia es divida entre españoles y alemanes, dejando paris dividida en 2, españa llegaria hasta tolosa-oeste y se quedaria con belgica; alemania por otro lado se quedaria con la parte este de paris, se quedaria también con Luxemburgo, con suiza, con la parte este de paris y tolosa, y llegaria hasta andorra, ademas agregaria a alemania lo que es dinamarca, noruega, suecia y los paises balticos ahora tambien agregaria italia, porque italia se quedaria con corsega, serdeña, todo lo que son los balcanes, pero con la siguiente excepcion, que aqui habria un resurgimiento griego asi que todo lo que estoy nombrando para italia en verdad es para grecia, que ademas se quedaria con bulgaria y moldavia a estas alturas las fronteras alemanas llegarian hasta crimea y se quedarian con los limites de ucrania y bielorrusia, y se daria en este universo, en esta parte de europa, limite de grecia con alemania en conclusion polonia, francia y otros dejarian de existir 🤣😂😹💥💢🤟🏼✌🏼🤙🏼🏁🏴🏳🔲🔳🔱💱🛄🗺🛃🛫🛬🌍🌎🌏
@MakriaMicronation Жыл бұрын
Why does it translate to a bunch of hearts💀
@patrick4land Жыл бұрын
. me gustaría agregar también que parte del reparto de francia se haga hacia inglaterra, así francia quedaría dividido entonces entre alemanes, españoles e ingleses
@unknowngeography Жыл бұрын
Love your videos😊
@EnochtheIntellectual Жыл бұрын
You were first
@coldestvr_ Жыл бұрын
@@EnochtheIntellectualNOBODY GIVES A FUU
@apineapple3177 Жыл бұрын
@@coldestvr_Fr
@simpson168168 Жыл бұрын
Literally Hoi 4’s Pax Brittainica map in the 1850s ( ͡ಥ ͜ʖ ͡ಥ)
@deathcore4576 Жыл бұрын
I love how you quoted Bismarck
@robertfletcher8429 Жыл бұрын
This is great. I love the "my viewers are fools (true)" theme. Also, I'm going to be stereotypically American and ask: "What about America in this timeline?" In particular, the US experienced a lot of immigration between 1820 and 1860, especially from distressed areas of Russia, Germany, Italy and the eastern Hapsburg Empire. This scenario could change that human outflow quite a lot and effect the character of the industrializing US in this period.
@board-qu9iu Жыл бұрын
Yeah more eastern Slavs would arrive and I can see also more French or Dutch arriving. Would make the old migration period different
@mastersafari5349 Жыл бұрын
It's unlikely that mass immigration from Eastern Europe would be possible in the middle of the 19th century. The main obstacle would be the cost of trans-atlantic journey at that time especially for Eastern europeans that were poorer than your average brit german or frenchman. In our timeline mass imigration to US from Southern & Eastern Europe only kicked in early 20th century as trans-atlantic journey became cheaper and Eastern Europeans became wealthier. Nonetheless some migrations would still eventually occure but probably in different destinations.
@matthiuskoenig3378 Жыл бұрын
well there are more wars in this timeline so more immigration: -you have a world war in the 1850/60s -russian invasion of poland before this -Austrian civil war and partision before this (on much bigger scale than irl hungarian revolt, since it isn't crushed easily by russian intervention and combines with the brothers war) -French and spainish invasions -an earlier pre-1850s Italian wars of unification - a larger dutch revolt you basically have all the conflicts of IRL europe (and more) in half the length of time, This probably means more people trying to get in the us in the 1815-1860 period, however this is only going to drive up the cost of the movement in a period it was already expensive. meaning its still probably only wealtheir europeans that move across (which means its probably still mostly northwest Europeans), but the larger potential market is likely to drive more investment in improveing trans-atlantic crossings mostly to reduce costs.
@chimera9818 Жыл бұрын
Realistically it don’t change much, beyond maybe dismantling most of the pale of settlements or not letting it be formed that might caused smaller Jewish populations
@board-qu9iu Жыл бұрын
@@chimera9818 idk if the Jewish Populations will be smaller, it probably will jus not be limited to the pale
@unknownroyalty89511 ай бұрын
I think that the vote system could've been updated. Let's remember that most results didn't come out of a majority. I think that we should eliminate the option with fewer votes and redistribute them to the other options until a majority is reached.