What If Everything Went PERFECT for the Central Powers?

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[@Maxzes_]

I like how no matter what scenario it is Britain always barely loses land

[@adventuresintheculinarywil3296]

Except that scramble for Africa video where Britain lost nearly all of its territories in Africa

[@mappingshaman5280]

Because nobody can fuck with the royal navy back then.

[@Soldo66666]

Also iberia stays the same

[@coloniser.-]

@@mappingshaman5280 real

[@ziggo_pro]

​@@Soldo66666I could've Imagined a scenario we're Spain comes in but it's not perfect for the central powers

[@Hippolf]

Champ Clark actually would have been the best pick for 1912 from a Central Powers perspective.. He wasn't just an anti-interventionist like Bryan, he was outright hostile to Britain, and caused a diplomatic incident by musing about annexing Canada. I think you also could have gotten ways of getting Sweden, Romania, and Greece all on the side of the Central Powers.

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

In a perfect scenario you could probably get Greece on the central powers but you can also just ensure neutrality by having the prime minister back down and not the king.

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

@@Eltonthaqis I mean the only reason Romania joined the war is because they were forced to.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

Wouldn’t Britain be an ally of Germany in a truly perfect scenario?

[@31namwoc]

@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Yes, but that's a bit too unrealistic

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Britain would just be handing Germany European hegemony if they did that.

[@rhyusbrand8311]

It’s funny how PH considers Bulgaria as Germany’s most competent ally.

[@kornelion6014]

cuz they, when it comes to army size to effectiveness ratio and when it comes to commanders, were the most effective and competent

[@yeeyee5057]

Because they are

[@rauhau_]

becose it was

[@InquisitorXarius]

This is true, Bulgaria was Germany’s most competent ally during WW1

[@enderboy4069]

We are Just better than the other 2 ngl

[@gaetanoesposito9207]

Italy was the clear winner of the war, they obtained almost eveything they could have wished for without fighting a long war. It's not bold to assume that the monarchy would be very popular in this world

[@alexzero3736]

Kinda, but Austrian Trieste and Istria would rise some irredentist calls.

[@gengarzilla1685]

Perhaps, but not enough so that it would bring Mussolini into power. I expect that Italy would just consolidate more into the diplomatically triumphant monarchy and align tighter with Germany in expectation of a second Brother's War.

[@andreaperazzolo7095]

The fact is that the "Mutilated Victory" came after the betrayal of the Treaty of London: Italy had fought a long, terrible war not only to complete her unification, but to avenge centuries of foreign occupational and establish herself as a world power. The Treaty of London and its promises were what have convinced the masses and the King and PM to accept fighting alongside the Entente instead of staying neutral, for if it wasn't convincing the parliament was firmly non-interventionist: nobody would have accepted to take part in that war if the enthusiasm for a great victory wouldn't have been strong enough to overcome the struggle. And after over 600K deaths and 3 long years of war, only some small promises were kept and Wilson's course of action determined the treaties after the war. If a war like the one in the video was to be fought and not against the Austrians, it's very unlikely that Italy would fall to extremism: the monarchy would be cherished for a great victory after a relatively short war, and the enthusiasm would be easily diverted towards the ultimate vision of irredentism and achieve full unification with a war against Austria, which has shown its weaknesses during the war. A capable politician might even call this an ideal situation

[@gal00n]

Siusiak

[@vgalis]

I think other than the idea of Germany and Austria-Hungary giving up land to keep Italy/Japan out, the most unrealistic part of this scenario is the Entente convincing Romania to join while the Entente was clearly losing. In the real world scenario, the king was pro-German and it took extensive promises to convince them to join. These promises included both land after the war and a certain number of troops both of which would have been much less convincing in this scenario. I guess, there could have been some sort of alternative where they join earlier to justify Bulgarian gains at their expense, but arguably the more favorable outcome for the central powers as a whole would have been Italy and Romania deciding to honor their alliance with Austria (in the real world they argued that Austria was the aggressor and their alliance was defensive). Romania also had territorial claims against Russia (which they successfully pressed in the real world after the war).

[@gasbasman]

True i think romania joining from the start the centrals powers would already be enought to win the war. This would hit russia from a weak and overstretched side. This would also ensure italy to stay neutral since the central powers are winning harder. some land for italy joining the war is realistic but for italy to stay neutral and getting a huge amound of austria core lands is unrealistic. the central powers would only offer them lands they took from the entente for staying neutral. I might be able to see them offering some land for Full militery equipment support but italy industry is to weak for that.

[@tuluppampam]

It was a defensive pact, so it's Austria and Germany's fault for believing in it

[@bejede]

The Romanian king when they joined the war was pro entente, because he desired Transylvania. The prior king liked Germany but he died before he could do anything.

[@vgalis]

​@@bejedeTrue, but if we're doing alt history that's "perfect" for the Central powers, maybe the old king lives for 4 more years.

[@sono_vivo_forse]

​@@tuluppampam no because France declared war to Germany

[@mt70092]

I like how you don’t just turn the winning sides into unstoppable super powers and take the historical context and perspectives into account

[@LT.KiraHertling1701]

For me, a perfect scenario for the Central Powers, in addition to having performed much better than in our reality, having achieved everything they wanted in our timeline and Germany having been able to prevent being blockaded by the British and being able to maintain its maritime trade , it would mean having many more allies than in our reality. WW1 was extremely unfair to the Central Powers, which were just 4 nations against practically the entire world, more allies for the Central Powers would have balanced things out.

[@TheAustrianAnimations87]

It was because of the poor international relations of the Central Powers. Austria-Hungary only agreed to give Italy Trentino in late 1914 instead of immediately after the annexation of Bosnia, but the Entente offered Italy a better deal instead. Romania and Greece (two countries with pro-German kings) should've also joined Germany's team. Furthermore, Germany shouldn't have provoked the sleeping eagle (the US) at all to win WW1.

[@alexzero3736]

That moment when the power of word is better than power of a gun. Central powers even got bad cohesion between themselves. Bulgaria despite having army almost the same size as Austrian never committed to Italian or Eastern front, simply staying in Macedonia and occupying other parts of Serbia. Germany basically left Austria- Hungary alone against Serbia and Russia for a year...

[@Max-jy3pj]

Not 4 nations, 4 empires. There were like 7 nations in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

[@abdullahansari437]

@@alexzero3736I mean not really. The biggest reason the central powers were outnumbered were the colonial empires of their enemies, which encompassed most of the world. So really, it was a case of established old colonial empires vs a small group of nations led by an upstart power.

[@Shtephen]

We need “what if everything went perfectly for bavaria”

[@adarshlokhande7653]

What do you suggest

[@commandergreetv753]

A Sowieso, da bin i a dafir 👍

[@MG_Mapper]

Definitely

[@hellboyhero7819]

Aber bitte noch vor Karl dem Großen starten.

[@jake7435]

​@@hellboyhero7819that's too far

[@mystic9847]

Oh hell yeah. 30 minutes of alternate History. What a vacation gift! Thank you!

[@user-dt8fr4up6j]

Late-autumn vacation?

[@AetherUtopia]

​@@user-dt8fr4up6jIt's not autumn everywhere, Australia and New Zealand for example.

[@user-dt8fr4up6j]

@@AetherUtopia late-spring vacation then!

[@willprice9074]

The ottomans actually almost won in their Caucasus offensive, it was mostly because of a general going against orders and them attacking in winter. Same with their attack against the suez, it was a sneak attack that failed because soldiers were being too loud. Edit: also germany believed that the ottomans greatest strength was that they were the caliph. the ottomans declared jihad against the entente in hopes of mass Islamic rebellions but not much came of it.

[@danielleayala2171]

lol.

[@alexzero3736]

This is kinda silly, Khalif lost actual power after young Turk revolution.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

While the blizzard certainly made things worse In Serakamis, invading Russia in the winter without coats and without all of your soldiers having boots and with some even barefoot seems like a pretty serious error. They did accomplish all their goals in the battle at one point or the other, but they did so out of order and were so beat up that they couldn’t consolidate their gains. Sues was interesting. Something romantic about the whole thing coming so near to success and failing because of a barking dog. That said there were warships that could be deployed in the canal, and there were three railways with armored trains and rail car mounted artillery running parallel to the canal that one wonders if Ottomans failed there at the end of the beginning and not the beginning of the end. Also being so far from large reliable water sources without something similar to the water pipeline the Anzac and Indian forces built when invading the other way doesn’t bode well.

[@board-qu9iu]

Wasn't the Suez attack also foiled by a British Plane noticing movement?

[@breaderikthegreat3224]

Small nitpick You said Kriegsmarine but it was called Kaiserliche Marine (Imperial Navy). The Kriegsmarine was formed in 1935

[@Diogene49]

My fellow central power stan, let's enjoy this probably masterpiece.

[@blueking7425]

The what if America was completely neutral video was really great, I thought you were going to implement the same approach for America with this video. It’s a shame we didn’t get a part 2 of that video, but I’m glad you’ll be making a follow up for this one.

[@seriodenoyarohi7403]

I would love to see a scenario where Austria heavily reforms in a federation or something instead of it simply collapsing. Collapsing just seems a very boring outcome.

[@TheAustrianAnimations87]

The "Austria-Hungary was always going to collapse, no matter what" myth was pro-Entente nationalist propaganda to justify their independence. There wasn't a single revolution in Habsburg territory since 1849 and the economy was rapidly growing prior 1914. Austria-Hungary wasn't a world power like Germany, but at the same time still light years more advanced than the Ottomans. The Double Monarchy built the 2nd largest European railway line, had the 4th largest machine-building industry worldwide, and the 3rd largest third-largest manufacturer and exporter of electric home appliances in the world. Furthermore, Bohemia was the industrial center, Hungary was a major food producing region in Europe, Galicia was the 3rd largest oil producer worldwide in the 1910s, and Croatia was useful for maritime travel and trade. Really, it was only by 1918 too late to reform the monarchy (because of too many lives lost, high inflation and the British naval blockade), but before that it was definitely possible. Given that in this scenario WW1 ends earlier and Austria-Hungary won't waste more troops and resources against Italy, I could see trialism and/or a federation happening. The Hungarians may be initially resistant, but they would eventually still accept it (they actually agreed to trialism in October 1918, but it was far too late in that time). The fact that many people still believe that Austria-Hungary was "on the verge of collapse" is just laughable. There were no signs of another 1848 and the economy was doing well.

[@Memelord1117]

​@@TheAustrianAnimations87 So they just needed a few more years of peace.

[@ArisIsCringe]

@@Memelord1117 Yep

[@alexzero3736]

​@@TheAustrianAnimations87it was the natural outcome, because instead of Germanisation or forming different unified culture, Austria- Hungary choose just splitting country in two, like it was middle Ages. Also the war made Austria- Hungary bankrupt in money and monarchy authority. Realistically it could not survive any war going longer than 2 years.

[@TheAustrianAnimations87]

@@alexzero3736 I honestly disagree here. "because instead of Germanisation or forming different unified culture, Austria- Hungary choose just splitting country in two" Germanisation was not a solution either. They kinda tried in the 19th century, but it failed and doing it again in the 20th century would piss off the minorities. "Also the war made Austria- Hungary bankrupt in money and monarchy authority." That's not wrong, but Germany also became bankrupt in 1918 and they were starving because of the British blockade. "Realistically it could not survive any war going longer than 2 years." If that had been really true, then Austria-Hungary would've broken into a civil war with all ethnic minorities declaring independence right after the catastrophic Brusilov offensive. Sure, German help was 100% needed to stop the Russians, but it still didn't cause any uprisings in Austria-Hungary. Let me explain you the true situation of Austria-Hungary during WW1, as someone who has been studying the empire for years. The first minor strikes (which were only in Vienna) happened in 1917 due to food shortages. Charles I exactly knew the bad situation and tried to get out from this war (also known as the Sixtus Affair), which failed. The food and economic situation however got much worse in late 1917 after Lenin's revolution in Russia. By January 1918 the situation got so terrible that there were strikes in entire Austria-Hungary. Over 700,000 workers in the empire demonstrated, including 110,000 in Vienna. The January strike was started by Budapest Tram workers, but there was a total over 40,000 strikers in Budapest. After the end of the January strike, the strike leaders and numerous activists were arrested or drafted into the army. The unrest subsequently spread to the army. There were soldier mutinies among troops of South Slavic origin in Judenburg and Pecs, troops with Czech soldiers in Rumburg in Bohemia and among Hungarian regiments in Budapest. The arsenal workers went on strike in the military port of Pola, which was home to the sailors of the Imperial and Royal ships lying in the port. On 29th January 1918, the workers in Moravian Ostrava went on strike, and on February, the navy, which was anchored in the Bay of Kotor, went on strike (the sailors' revolt of Cattaro), in which 6,000 sailors on 40 ships raised the red flag and demanded an immediate peace agreement. So, if anything, Austria-Hungary's collapse was only inevitable in late 1917 or early 1918. Now, in Possible History's scenario, the Austro-Hungarian army would suffer less casualties against Russia due being in the defensive and they also wouldn't lose their food and oil production in Galicia. There would be also no unsuccessful invasions of Serbia until Bulgaria's entry. Austria-Hungary would also save much more soldiers and resources with an allied Italy. So, at this point, the food and economic situation in Austria-Hungary would be better and there wouldn't be any nationwide worker strikes. The damage Austria-Hungary suffered in Possible History's WW1 (which isn't as bad as in real life) would then recovered by economic aid of its allies. Then Austria-Hungary would successfully reform itself. So no, it was not "natural". Austria-Hungary in a victorious WW1 with far less casualties could certainly survive with reforms.

[@RandomEditor..]

I always love reacting to World war 1 scenarios, and i believe that this is one of the best ones.

[@willemvanoranje5724]

agreed man

[@alexzero3736]

Honestly with all that talk about USA elections I expected KaiserReich scenario, but this... Is overall better.

[@FlameingSlayer]

Possible History and Oversimplified easily giving me free A's for my history tests.

[@user-tv7xs4hj1w]

You shouldn't rely on oversimplified, his sources are quite one sided.

[@snuuy7373]

​@@user-tv7xs4hj1wNot trying to sound like an oversimplified fanboy, but other than some early videos, did he have any misrepresentations?

[@steel4o]

Just a small change, I would personally make. Serbian territory highlighted in green at 27:50 would most likely remain Serbian (northern Morava) while at the same time the Bulgarian white sea coast would grow up until the Strymon river, encompassing the coveted port of Kavala.

[@somebodyanonymousx]

Yeah, odd that Greek lands were not partitioned by Ottomans, Bulgars and Italians

[@Nikolaj11]

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the German-American identity too, that had to have been impacted by the US remaining completely neutral.

[@wendelinbacher4784]

I just think it's very unrealistic that austria gives up South Tyrol, as even now there's calls for reunification.

[@grandmasterbroda1429]

Perhaps an agreement is made to split South Tyrol along ethnic lines.

[@redere4777]

Looking closely at the map, it looks like Austria-Hungary only gave up the Italian Trentino and German Überetsch-Unterland. The rest of South Tyrol, almost all of the German parts, is still part of Austria-Hungary.

[@TheAustrianAnimations87]

Italy begged Austria-Hungary to give them Trentino and Trieste (the latter being a very important port) after the annexation of Bosnia, so Trentino would be given to Italy as it was just full of Italians (much unlike South Tyrol).

[@gengarzilla1685]

Austria kept the German parts here and Italy got the Italian parts. This is quite literally the most fair way to deal with that territory.

[@justaplayer94]

Austria in this timeline didin't give up South tyrol. The Area which was given to italy was Trentino which most people where italiens.

[@theChaosKe]

I always wondered, wouldnt it have been an option for germany to try and coerce the netherlands to join the central powers, by promising them flanders? Or did they just not matter enough?

[@DontLookAtThisPleaseThankYou]

I dont know if the netherlands were interested in the war though

[@alanetchetto8908]

If i remember correctly, the Netherlands didnt had enough reasons or were significant enough to enter any of the sides. Kinda like Spain. Dont remember it well tho, maybe im saying something totally wrong.

[@alaeus2310]

The dutch army was not particularly strong, and having the netherlands as a neutral state trading with both the UK and Germany helped immensely OTL with the blockade on the kriegsmarine preventing meaningful trade by sea towards Germany. I doubt the Dutch would join the war, though I wouldn't see minor territorial concessions from belgium in exchange for favorable trade deals during the war as impossible.

[@saccorhytus]

i think the netherlands were trading with the british and germans

[@gengarzilla1685]

Just like Portugal in WW2 was for the Allies, the Netherlands would have been more useful for the Central Powers as a friendly neutral than a fellow combatant.

[@Julianist]

Nothing better than a Possible Hisory video after school

[@GarfieldRex]

Most sensible and wise behavior that sadly politicians never have.

[@genericcube7587]

I love these longer form and multiple part videos, I find the scenarios far more interesting when they go on for longer

[@josezuniga4814]

I love how detailed PH's scenarios are; you'll seldom see an alt history channel mention minute details like "Germany would have to learn some respect for them to win the war"

[@danielszelmenis8392]

Just wanted to say that I really apricate you and your videos. I really enjoy your videos and you make them quite frequently, I really respect the work you put in making your videos

[@w.n2425]

Wilhelm the II Can finally rest easy, knowing that he could’ve done good

[@Wario_Guy]

Do a “What if everything went perfect for the Ottomans?” I’m currently doing a lot of research on the Fall of Constantinople and I think it would be really cool because I feel you don’t talk about them nearly enough.

[@histo6651]

He seems to dislike the ottomans for personal reasons. He even says in this video " what they have done to the armenians ". Like yeah many armenians died but what about the us ( The Turkish/Kurdish deaths are higher then the actual armenian deaths ) It isnt like we decided to murder armenians out of the blue. Nobody is pure evil, everything has a purpose but instead of saying that he just says we killed armenians.

[@histo6651]

And if you noticed, he just SKIPPED over the Ottomans saying there is nothing we can change. There was the idea to take azerbaijan for turanism, take arab lands for islam, there was ottomanism to pacify the minorities. All of this things, all the fronts ( Egyptian front, the 3 frontlines in Bulgaria, Kuwait front, Russian front ) he just ignores. I do not like this channel anymore. I have been called a genocider multiple times, i dont care if people are spreading lies about us but to completely skip over my history tells me that he thinks we got no history or culture. And the people that say that is Greeks who think Turkey is 20% Greek. If Turkey was 20% greek turkey would have more greeks than greece, does the stats match? No. Will they keep saying it? Yes. Will content creators like this ever respect our history? Never. This video should have been called what if germany won ww1 since it is very clear they dont care about our aid in the war. Many Ottomans died. Many Turks and Kurds were killed. Many houses were destroyed by rebels. We died so long, suffered so much and our thank you is " oh yeah they dont have much history we cant change anything but germany can change everything oh " If the egyptian front was a success, if we had destroyed the Greeks early on, if we had reached to Azerbaijan instead of letting 50k soldiers freeze, the chances of winning would skyrocket.

[@anthonylandin6788]

I think maybe in later half of the empire since it went as perfect as could get for the ottoman empire in it's early half

[@Fabioonn]

@@anthonylandin6788It could still have gone much better. Avoiding the Ottoman Civil war for example. Or less european support against the Ottomans.

[@a3aannaqvi627]

I think the Ottomans would be in the best position if they successfully carried out their Italian campaign in 1480, defeated the Safavids completely in 1514 by capturing major territories like Tabriz, and taking Vienna some time around the 1520s to 30s.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

YES! A surviving Habsburg empire! Already loving this scenario!

[@gengarzilla1685]

I dunno if they'd be surviving in the real long term. This may have only just bought them another decade, I can't see them reaching 1950 in their present form.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

@@gengarzilla1685 i hope they reform into the Danubian Federation

[@TheAustrianAnimations87]

@@gengarzilla1685 But if they reform in a federation where the Slavic people are given more rights as well, I could still see them surviving for decades.

[@gengarzilla1685]

Yeah, that's what I mean. If they pull themselves together and pass through vital reforms then I could see them surviving. But to stay static after WW1 and not change a thing will be catastrophic later on.

[@douglastakle8242]

@@danielsantiagourtado3430even if they collapsed, Germany would probably annex austria and most of Czechia. Plus big Hungary since they were punished super harshly irl. If Hungary remains German aligned then central powers likely aren’t much worse off.

[@JakobAndreasA]

Loved the video man, please make more!

[@WhizzKid2012]

He uploads too much

[@stupiditiusmaximus]

I love how no matter what happens, the swiss always stay neutral🤣

[@HistoryBrosOfficial]

Britain had such a large empire that no countries could partition it or take some of it

[@anidioticgenius6393]

I have been waiting for this... Now my soul is now satisfied to see a perfect Central Powers video

[@joroplayer]

One additional point for the Macedonian front: It would have been much easier for Bulgaria to defend if it captured the port of Thesalonika when Serbia capitulated as it would have denied the allies their main supply hub. In reality, Bulgaria only partially went into Greece to shorter the frontline but was denied to continue by its allies as Constatine I was pro-german. Later one Venezelos brought 700k allied troops which breached at Dobro Pole after 2 years and led to the domino effect of capitulations.

[@FlawlessFlaw]

But in this scenario, Venizelos never goes full-on with his plan and Greece does not join a war that Entente is already losing. That's how I interpreted the map coloring at least.

[@joroplayer]

@@FlawlessFlaw You're right, but next time they won't be so lucky...

[@breaderikthegreat3224]

1908:Vote Taft now, you can vote Bryan any time 1912:Vote Bryan over Taft

[@bidenator9760]

This is very well reasoned. Looking forward to the second part.

[@LouisMcK]

I love the fact that you are doing a continuation

[@realbaron5714]

In this timeline austrian painter becomes a great artist 😁

[@dogsittinggay7273]

You should do a video about what if everything went perfect for the ottomans after the siege of Vienna

[@WeeF3lla]

Great work as usual, really enjoy the content. Keep up the good work and God bless 😄

[@wind5938]

We need a part two this was amazing well done

[@Granwizerman]

What if history went perfect for the ottoman empire

[@thespectre5403]

cool idea

[@fynncasal9308]

Yes

[@Vlain-hc5sb]

Ottoman dominated Italian peninsula. Dissolves the HRE after conquering Austria. Spain, France and Portugal pay hefty tributes just to pass into the Mediterranean. The Safavids are conquered and dissolved into tiny states. Russia never roses to power and is influenced by Sweden. The PLC is a tributary state of the Ottoman empire and very weakened. The Ottomans become the sole protector of Islam and Muslim states around the world. And with this, Indonesia, Malaysia, East Africa and Central Asia never get colonized or conquered in exchange, they pay the Ottoman empire various tributes and gifts periodically. And they never stagnate technologically.

[@Fabioonn]

I think that scenario would have to be more specific. Because when everything goes perfect the ottoman Empire wouldnt stagnate. And the Empire was build on constant expansion. So they just would never stop expanding which would be konda booring.

[@SuperCrow02]

@@Fabioonn Ataturk was already one of the most successful reformers in history, it's hard to imagine any leader doing a better job at reforming the Turkish state than him. And in a world where the Ottomans survive there's far less of a chance for his political career to take off, so he probably would never even end up in charge.

[@ItsTimeSteve_]

I am so glad for this scenario!

[@Colenin.]

Put this into my favourites playlist before seeing it. Gotta be awesome.

[@Flariom]

that what i wanted to see, o proper alt hist video! Thank you very much, looking foward for the next one!

[@antoniomoreira5921]

Not sure it's connected but there's an interesting series by Schwerpunkt on the Habsburgs and German warfare; i strongly recommend that

[@leonidrakhman9018]

What if every think went perfect for all of Europe? France never exited and the devs decided do delit it from the map.

[@indianajones4321]

A half hour video from Possible History over WW1? Let’s go!!!!

[@hyperlucke]

You are the best KZbinr out there man ❤❤

[@Null_ify550]

Another great video you never fail to amaze. Of course as a polish person my mind hiperfixetied on situation of poland in this scenario and while I probably will get a lot of hate from other poles I must say that this may be better scenario for this country than what actually happend after ww1. While 2 powers fighting over who gets to puppet poland may seem bad than something familiar happend in our history in Free city of Cracow when Russia, Austria and Prussia been fighting for influence and originally limited automy of polish people living there incresied as bickering powers tried to sway them while also not being able to hold major influence due to others fighting it. I can see something familiar happening here and while land given to Poland isn't much then it is pretty good from economic stand point and which somebody smart being in charge of economic policies it could live up to title "crossroads of europe" and since germany here is definitely winning then if they side which them when they got all they needed from Austria then they could get some spoils to. I can also see when Austria collapses Poland and west Ukraine dividing up Galicia which would be another plus. Not to mention much better geopolitical situation instead of being sorounded from at worst powerfull enemies andat best countries lacking both power and will to help Poland out here they are surounded by powers who want to peacefully get them in their influance zone and other countries in same situation which makes foreing invasion with overwhelming force much less likely.

[@averageinsanityfan]

Now we wanna see axis version😈

[@death-istic9586]

Love your videos!💚

[@zooman_expeditions8984]

Great video! Will definitely use for a scenairo!

[@imlivingunderyourbed7845]

16:15 I don't see how the Entente can force Romania to join them given how well the Central Powers are performing. If anything, this would antagonize Romania and push them to join the Central Powers or at least be friendly to them.

[@planetmars408]

Yes.In reality,Romania did not really choose who to join until 1916.They decided to join the Entente only for the romanian lands in Austria-Hungary.If they would see the Central Powers winning,they would instead join the Central Powers.

[@SuperCrow02]

Their entry into the war irl was insane as well tbf

[@imlivingunderyourbed7845]

@@planetmars408 That and they were motivated by the Brusilov offensive, which Russia was fighting pretty well but eventually ran out of momentum.

[@gengarzilla1685]

The big desire for Transylvania still damages Austrian-Romanian relations. I think Romania would just stay neutral entirely if the Entente have made a bad showing like this. Romania's moment would instead come with Italy and Bulgaria's possible anti-Austrian coalition.

[@planetmars408]

@@gengarzilla1685 yes,but Romania could gain Bessarabia from Russia.That's why it could join the Central Powers.The question was either Transylvania or Bessarabia.They couldn't go with Transylvania as Austria-Hungary fought better than in otl,so they could go with Bessarabia.Rather than becoming a puppet to Germany/Austria-Hungary,it would be in the Central Powers, winning and getting Bessarabia(only that,they won't get anything else).

[@hashkangaroo]

Now, what if it went perfectly _for the Entente?_ The French don't adopt Plan XVII, the Italians don't get saddled with Cadorna, the Russians deploy their troops to focus on Prussia instead of Galicia (since winning against Austria doesn't matter if you lose the Polish salient), the British land troops on the Dardanelles immediately after bombarding it instead of giving the Ottomans months and months to rebuild the forts, the Romanians join in immediately while the Bulgarians remain on the fence, the Americans elect Teddy Roosevelt in 1912 and he gets them involved early, etc, etc. Just how quickly can you put the Central Powers on the back foot and end the war?

[@SuperCrow02]

American Constantinople lets gooooo

[@sebastiandomingos335]

literally can't explain how excited I am whenever PH uploads

[@felipescheuermann1736]

Im trying this in "The great war". Thanks for this video, amazing, you got a subscriber❤

[@commanderponds8308]

Depending on how politics in Germany develop they could definitely join in any anti-Austrian coalition. Pretty much all of Austria’s neighbors have something to gain from a partition

[@gengarzilla1685]

See, that's the real flaw of being the multi-ethnic Austro-Hungarian Empire. The internal situation is one matter but pretty much every neighbour has some nationalistic reason to scrap with them as well.

[@dandyl1on]

Hi! If you are open for suggestions, I've always wondered how the world might look like it the Spring of Nations 1848 would have been more successful, for instance what if the Frankfurt Convention German Confederation would have been successfully established.

[@alexzero3736]

Oh, uh. That would be a rain of blood... Even if Prussian king agreed to take the crown, other Local princes and kings of Germany would not just give up their power. Also Austrian empire and Denmark would not tolerate this.

[@aloislanguillaume8168]

Perfect moment for me! Thank you PH!

[@Princip777]

Ayo 😳

[@Journalist_Chap]

@@Princip777 your so dirty minded omg💀

[@aloislanguillaume8168]

@@Princip777 What did i say?! Nevermind, PH, i get it...

[@user-nu3vw3ub1m]

switzerland: "I have seen everything"

[@viduuu07]

Now imagine that we get a French Hitler instead of a German one who initiates the Second World War... The entire world would probably be safe lol

[@balticbvll2987]

Thats just Napoleon with French Char 1B's. I wouldnt be laughing at that scenario

[@gengarzilla1685]

Postwar France's position here is perhaps even worse than OTL postwar Germany. A French Hitler could try, yes, but there's no way he'd be a second coming of _the_ Napoleon Bonaparte.

[@mky23679]

Could we see what if everything went Perfect for Poland?

[@HTS123RK]

Tbh I think that’s what our timeline had after ww1 it couldn’t really have gotten much better for them

[@josephbeyerlein1381]

​@HTS123RK I think he means a Polish-Lithuania never falls from glory type of scenario. Also Poland was big in 1920, but incapable of standing against Germany and the USSR by 1939

[@Fabioonn]

⁠@@HTS123RKWw2 happened? Poland lost a huge part of its population and territory. I think it could have gone better for them ngl.

[@SuperCrow02]

@@HTS123RK Ngl but I don't think Poland getting ravaged by Fascism and Communism for half a century was "everything going perfect for Poland".

[@HTS123RK]

@@SuperCrow02 but it could’ve been a lot worse it was gonna be ravaged by communists or fascists either way but o guess if the west got there before the Soviets in 1944-1945 it could’ve saved them and made it slightly better but still unlikely

[@lynox172]

A Great take on the topic, especially the „what if the central powers win) is a good take. In my opinion it could actually have been even simpler since I think many underestimate of weak the Russian army was(plus wanted to add some context) The German army originally intended to head east (in my opinion the better plan) but Moltke convinced the Kaiser that heading west was better since they had seen the weak Russian performance in the Russo Japanese war, plus they realized they needed to attack fast, but after mobilization most troops were stationed in the Rheinland meaning they would have needed to first transfer them east. Russia was quicker to mobilize then expected, but this turned against them while attacking east Prussia Russia suffers a disaster losing almost two entire armies in an invasion Germany was anticipating much later. Still OKH kept focused on the west until 1916 when von Falkenhayn was replaced by Hindenburg( who had defeated Russia previously) but it was to late by then Russia had given up Poland with most of its army intact and had fortified its lines so the battle in the east also came down to stamina something Hindenburg had feared as he thought with the offensive troops committed to the west he could crush the Russian army in its moment of weakness and seize Riga before there able to set up defenses. The main problem however soon became that while the central powers made gains on all fronts they failed to end them, Austria demanded help in Serbia, Italy and later Romania while the Ottomans also needed reinforcements. Those are some arguments that make the eastern option more successful but still the western is probably better for the scenario as heading east Lilly would have meant Germany destroying Serbia and Russia pretty much on its own and then getting into a war of attrition against France as Italy and Romania will not join a losing war(making it „essentially a Germany wins alone“ scenario) Also Germany always struggled with supply lines in Belgium as they also intended to go through the Netherlands. This and submarine warfare caused the USA to enter the war which was however also something Germany could have prevented the head of the navy lord to Kaiser Whillhelm and told him that „no American will enter the shores of Europe“ the Kaiser was actually a very careful person and when told by its generals that the invasion through Belgium was better he let it past through same it was with submarine warfare and the preservation of Navy after Jutland (a German victory) as he listend to his Generals. All of this plus the Zimmerman telegram combined in the USA boing the war while Germany in 1917 was on the verge of victory after winning in Russia their last offensive even was pretty successful and it is even possible that if the USA had not joined Germany could have won there as the French army itself was on verge of collapse but was remotivated after US troops arrived (faced communist uprising) The UK similarly was tired. Maybe the biggest Reason for Germanys defeat where it’s Allie’s Austria dragged Italy into the war against them and when they collapsed it became hopeless for Germany. Germany actually faced starvation (which is the reason for potato bread in Germany) during the British blocade which hampered their moral significantly.

[@maud3444]

Oh that Dutch or Belgian accent is so thick :D Love the video man. Liked and subscribed

[@KobeRogers-vw8nx]

Do what if everything went perfect for the Axis powers

[@kyle93watson]

So, Kaiserreich in HOI4. Just without Ukraine and maybe a little more stable.

[@DDodo280]

One of your best vids

[@MARVAL365]

I think that he should continue the series where he counts the military success of a country and he should most definitely do it for france

[@stupidgoober5139]

love to see a hoi4 mod of this history

[@Red_Duc]

They seem strong but no match for Luxembourg

[@josebarzola7935]

This is really nice like a kaiserreich scenario!

[@brenrmad6282]

I feel like Kaiser riech is a Germany victory more than a central power’s victory since none of them besides Germany and Bulgaria actually gained land and Bulgarias gains would be short lived

[@geokou7645]

Pls do some stuff like “what if history went perfect for the entente/allies” where you make it a quick stomp of the central powers/axis and the results of that

[@elephantyarn7378]

Day 22 of asking for What If History Went Perfect for Mexico?

[@germanicus1732]

Arriba Mexico 🇲🇽

[@k.constantine]

The best timeline doesn't exi...

[@user-tl9gp4dn4q]

Cant wait for the continuation.

[@willemvanoranje5724]

Literally one of the best alt histories ever

[@johngabrielsalazar5030]

What if everything went perfect for the Axis powers.

[@dingusmachingus7951]

No

[@user-dw4eo2ty1y]

Tno or something like that

[@DOSFS]

Genoc*de timeline electro boogaloo

[@wandfresser]

Tno

[@FelidaeEnjoyer]

Owwwww nouwwwww

[@gunjfur8633]

Virgin "what if the Germany won ww2" vs Chad "what if the Germany won ww1"

[@strategicomela7783]

I really liked this scenario,it's pretty original and semi-plausible

[@DonPedroman]

Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Netherlands and the nordics: Woah, pure cinema

[@planetmars408]

If we really want a round 2,we could make Germany get Poland too,making Austria-Hungary feel betrayed and want to fight aganinst Germany.France may likely turn to some similar ideology to otl Weimar Republic,while Japan would also be interested in european colonies(Germany has Indochina now).So it would be an "axis" of France, Austria-Hungary and Japan wanting to fight Germany.Britain and Russia could join Germany in this war, and if Japan still attacks Pearl Harbour,the US will join too. Idk if it would be very realistic though.

[@heyufengwdlss701]

a pact along those lines seems possible but Austria-Hungary being as audacious as the third Reich won't be.

[@planetmars408]

​​@@heyufengwdlss701no, France would be the one like the Third Reich.Austria would be radicalizing against Germany, because they didn't get their promised lands(similar to Italy).Japan is Japan,it will still fight the europeans in Asia.

[@gasbasman]

I see the ottomans also joining that alliance since they barely got any land in this war to show for their participation. In this senario I only see Bulgaria Romania and Italy supporting Germany and all other powers staying neutral or helping austria vs germany

[@planetmars408]

On the other side,we have Germany, becoming the continental hegemon and Britain,still powerful.Both would likely ally against an aggressive France.Russia would join if Japan attacks the europeans(they want their lands back),the ottomans would be too weak to do much, Italy may stay neutral or might join in the last moment,like in this scenario.The Balkans are interesting,as Romania would clearly join against Austria,and Bulgaria can join either side,but it's likely they will want all of the Austrian puppets,so it may join the germans.If Bulgaria wants to join the french,it would be for more influence over Romania.

[@planetmars408]

@@gasbasman well,the ottomans were already too weak to do anything,so it won't. It would be great for them to not get any lands. Italy will be supportive of Germany,but if it will join,idk.Maybe,but later in the war.Similar case to Romania.It is weak from the previous war,but it may radicalize against Austria,to get their lands.Bulgaria may want to dominate the balkans.If they want Serbia,they will join Germany.If they want Romania,they will join Austria.Likely,they would want Serbia,so Germany.

[@user-km3pq2so5g]

WHAT IF EVERYTHING WENT PERFECT FOR GREECE!!! Please

[@loui2bolus265]

I'm love your content and I can't wait to watch this video but unfortunately I can't watch it right now :(

[@themackie2763]

You make the best alternate history videos. Can you make a video about how you realistically think Kaiserreich (hoi4 mod) would play out?

[@alexzero3736]

You mean stick to KaiserReich scenario and what future outcome would be?

[@TheAustrianAnimations87]

29:30 To be honest, I'm pretty sure Austria-Hungary could've survived as federation as long Germany doesn't betray them. Despite being militarily much weaker than Germany, pre-WW1 Austria-Hungary still had a growing industry and economy. In real life emperor Charles I and the Hungarians agreed for trialism in October 1918, but it was unfortunately too late. In this scenario however, the war would end way earlier and Austria-Hungary also won't waste soldiers and resources on the Italian Front. And about the other problems? Albania would be pretty much loyal to Austria, since the latter helped the former against Serbian aggression in the 1st Balkan War. The Serbs meanwhile would be too weak to rebel against their Austrian masters. Bulgaria would more likely try to take Thessaloniki next. And about Romania, even if they managed to take Transylvania (which they couldn't), Germany would intervene anyways. The only way I see a new Danubian Federation collapsing if it Germany suddenly declares war on them.

[@SuperCrow02]

It would definitely be less mismanaged than Yugoslavia at least.

[@TheAustrianAnimations87]

@@SuperCrow02 Certainly. Yugoslavia in real life was already under ethnic tensions between the Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks after WW1 ended. The Croatian Pesant Party had little real influence in the Serbian coalition government until 1927. The Croatian opposition's and Serbian government's relations deteriorated further until a shouting match in the parliament escalated to the point where Serbian deputy Punisa Racic shot several HSS parliament members killing two and wounding three including Radic on 20th June 1928. Radic suggested that the shootings were a result of a regime plan and that the HSS should abandon pacifism. Soon afterwards, Radic died of the wounds on 8th August 1928. Following the assassinations, the Yugoslav state lost any legitimacy among Croats and the Serbian-dominated state became a royal dictatorship under Alexander I of Yugoslavia. The Bosnian Yugoslav Muslim Organization also suffered. They entered into a short-lived alliance with the Slovenian People's Party and the Croatian Peasant Partyuntil it ended in 1925. The Bosnian party found itself politically isolated and came under attack from Serbian paramilitaries until it was banned during 6 January Dictatorship. You see, Yugoslavia was already much more unstable than Austria-Hungary, but it only went worse after Tito's death in 1980.

[@joshuas2601]

And I think Austria would likely cede Galicia to its Polish puppet, likely under Karl Stefan von Habsburg. This would also serve to have a large part of the Polish population loyal to the Habsburgs. I’m unsure as to what they’d do with Ukrainian Galicia, however, as Possible History said the Ukrainian state was a German puppet, otherwise I’d suggest Karl Stefan’s son Wilhelm whom was very popular with the Ukrainians of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

[@TheAustrianAnimations87]

@@joshuas2601 "And I think Austria would likely cede Galicia to its Polish puppet, likely under Karl Stefan von Habsburg." Yes, it could likely happen.

[@SuperCrow02]

@@joshuas2601 Having a Hapsburg monarch wouldn't stop Poland from drifting into Germany's sphere IMO. Romania had a Hohenzollern king.

[@DaireMacSearraigh]

Germany attempted to fund and arm the Irish revolution; had it played out the way they wanted it to there could have been a relatively large scale war for independence in Ireland which would have caused England to either concede land or divert soldiers from the European front. Unfortunately the Irish were late to the gun pickup and the Brits found the German boat. The Germans scuttled themselves before the brits could get their hands on the guns. This lead to the Irish Republican Army being incredibly under armed and made the revolution a total military failure only lasting a couple days and the leaders being executed

[@smallcat848]

I kinda wanna see a continuation of this scenario

[@Man_0f_Trenches]

France is basically a second Spain in this timeline. A fallen great power whose lack of manpower and industry condemns them to an eternity of never reaching the same levels of pride and prestige of centuries past.

[@JLAvey]

Maybe but if Belgian neutrality was respected, the British wouldn't have to join it. They could change their mind at the last minute. Not saying they would, only that it left a backdoor open to extract themselves on a legal technicality. They got a little too accustomed to fighting opponents in Africa far weaker than themselves and after a month of industrialized warfare, London might decide it's not for them. Not that it matters. As often as I've heard one complain about the way things went, I have never once seen anyone actually try to do anything about it.

[@gasbasman]

I would say by not invading belgium you leave the front with france really small (belgium would never join by itself) so you could just go and fully focus on russia and hold that front. so even if brittain join it matters less. But they would still join. They dont care much about honoring promisses (look at italy post war) they care about what is best for them. They just look better to their own population and the international community if you have a reason to join the war.

[@InquisitorXarius]

Yeah but French weren’t able to adapt effectively leading up to and during WW1 which makes the fortify on the border idea not a bad one as the french policy of attack to excess would only ensure there blood would flow in excess upon the German border especially considering the stubbornness of the French Military Command. Plus combined with American Neutrality and delaying British entry into the war the focus on Russia strategy is not a bad one especially given the CP are not the Axis, and Tsarist Russia was far more imcompetent than Soviet Russia. Of course I am speaking of the most realistic scenario in contrast to your if everything went perfect scenario for the Pax Germanica or Mitteleuropa.

[@0815Catgus]

Austria Hungary was lacking? Let me introduce you to the Punitive Expedition. Where Austria completely destroyed Italy before needing to pull back their troops for the Russian Offensive (wich only was so successful because of lack of troops there because of the expedition into Italy)

[@libertyorca9011]

He probably meant like the minority problems but that’s okay, Austria was federalising anyways 👍

[@0815Catgus]

@@libertyorca9011 he was talking about military capability bro

[@libertyorca9011]

@@0815Catgus ahhh…yeah I agree

[@maplemirage7522]

I'd love to see a what if everything went perfect for the British, like them winning 1812, successfully invading the La Plata River area during the Napoleonic Wars for example and instead of their Empire eventually collapsing they form an Imperial Federation I know it's very similar to a video you already did but I wonder if you could do more a timeline to an eventual lead up to an Imperial Federation while everything going (realistically) perfect for them

[@TheSwedishHistorian]

couldnt romania have joined the centrals?

[@gengarzilla1685]

Romania will prefer to keep neutral for the rest of this war if the Entente are doing badly. The Romanians are about as much against the Central Powers as Serbians were, to be honest.

[@DEIKO19]

Avarage entente fan 🤢🤢🤢🤢 vs avarage central powers enjoyer🗿🗿🗿🗿 edit: HOLY MERRY MOTHER OF JOSEPH! 600 LIKES!?

[@mrsillytacos]

Average WW1 fan 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢 Finno-Korean Hyperwar fans 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

[@aggroklee]

Komm sei einfach ruhig

[@Princip777]

Before Entente was overrated, now Central Powers are overrated.

[@Princip777]

​@@mrsillytacosChad war

[@westernmuslim0]

Ottoman Empire is chad 1vs10

[@pibabeluba5327]

MORE of That!!!

[@davegreenlaw5654]

@22:56 - I had a little chuckle hearing "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" as you start talking about the West creating the myth of how if Russia didn't surrender so quickly that they could have won the war. That sounds like a flimsy 'Cause' as to why they 'Lost'. 😉

[@TheSkiingDragon]

No not Luxembourg nooooooo The microstates must be maintained 🇱🇮🇱🇺🇲🇩🇲🇨🇸🇲🇻🇦

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

Monaco joins the Central Powers. Their territorial gains are gonna be lit.

[@cobragreen6947]

I honestly see Germany gaining more Russian favor by together with Russia force the ottomans to stop their crimes against Christian minorities which Russia still wants to be christian protecter in the Ottoman Empire so Germany helping them achieve even the symbolic title is enough for Russia to grow more on German side.

[@Maltheus_]

Yeah, I agree.

[@filipjezercic9735]

Now take this same Idea but put it 20 years later like WW2 but its still central powers or sumthin like that, just sounds kinda cool

[@KVPMD]

This was done very well and kept reality in place. I like this a lot. Italy was the most spot on though I can't believe Austria would give up (German speaking!) South Tirol. But Italy had a long term look on Corsica and Nice as well as the Adria state (mostly Albania) and this is reflected perfectly. Changes in the West are a bit to strong for my liking (Belgium mostly), but the splitting of states from Russia under German "protection" is unbelievable likely and not even unlikely to become a stable status quo. Most important question would be: - Integration of Austrian nationalities either forming a new identity or splitting into a federal state - German revolution still glooming having one of the strongest communist and socialist movements with highly influential thinkers -> As the war (in Germany) already saw the rise of "war socialism" with a highly commanded economy maybe there would be a rise of a monarchist socialism which tries to revive ideas from Prussian enlightenment, feudal responsibilities and the imperial cities and meld them with the socialist requests for improvements and power sharing. I think this could be a super interesting alternative history idea :)