The Congress of Vienna: Decided by YOU

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2 ай бұрын

You guys voted the peace that ended the Napoleonic Wars. How did that turn out?
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@EmperorTigerstar 2 ай бұрын

What should I try this format on next?

@DNVIC 2 ай бұрын

maybe the 7 years war? very interesting war with a bunch of different outcomes

@JonBerry555 2 ай бұрын

The 30 Years War

@jackrobertson8960 2 ай бұрын

Seven years war, lots of different possible outcomes.

@TKDragon75 2 ай бұрын

Asian Theater ww2?

@hashkangaroo 2 ай бұрын

Now you need to do runoff voting, with the smallest candidate in each question removed.

@JoCE2305 2 ай бұрын

You really should do ranked-choice voting. With so many similar options, many winners were dissimilar from the rest of the options, had a small plurality, but won the vote over the large groupings of more similar options that people actually preferred.

@orsolyafekete7485 2 ай бұрын

Counterpoint: the map ends up way funnier this way

@SamAronow 2 ай бұрын

Ranked-choice voting would also be more reflective of the process of debate and negotiation.

@EmperorTigerstar 2 ай бұрын

I could try that in the future if google forms can make that work.

@Angelblue1302 2 ай бұрын

@@EmperorTigerstar Can we also have the option to see/edit our responses? I'd like to know what I voted for. Either way, still bumbed that Poland didn't get fully restored...but at least it survived. That and you can do ranked choice voting.

@hismajesty6272 2 ай бұрын

Nah ranked choice is often convoluted.

@lordfedjuvekinval252 2 ай бұрын

"is the world ready for Tropical Swedes in the Caribbean" it already was! Sweden took control of St. Barthelemy island in 1784 in exchange for the French getting some trading rights in Goteborg eventually they'd sell it back to France in 1878, after failed negotiations to sell it to the US or Italy (now imagine Italians in the Caribbean)

@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 2 ай бұрын

There was almost Latin American Swedes! Carl Johan dearly wanted a colony on the South American mainland to develop. He tried for 20 years by hook and by crook to obtain territory but it never worked out. He personally always had a dream of developing a territory out of the wilderness dating back to the time Napoleon offered him the governorship of Louisiana. During the 1820s and 1830s Sweden was curiously quite involved in the affairs of Latin America and the Caribbean as Carl Johan angled to carve out a Swedish niche. It is a little known period of Swedish history.

@francisdec1615 2 ай бұрын

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 The Queen never liked the Swedish climate.

@DanielCobblestone 2 ай бұрын

Roussillon was Spanish for quite a while until the French conquered it. It would make sense for Spain to get that back as repayment for the Napoleonic Wars, as IRL they suffered a lot trough the war (and lost their entire empire) while gaining nothing in return.

@Yuyo545 2 ай бұрын

They didn't so much conquer it as they just took it in exchange for putting down a rebellion

@alexismisrachi3946 2 ай бұрын

Losing your colonial empire isn’t « suffering » it’s just getting your comeuppance. Especially when you see the behaviour of loyalist troops on the continent in general and Mexico in particular.

@tathemrelag3123 2 ай бұрын

@@alexismisrachi3946 I'd say the Peninsular War was damn fair amount of suffering for the Spanish people.

@KartovOndulevitch 2 ай бұрын

Roussillon was catalan, and Catalans talk a language by far closer to french than castelliano

@politonno2499 2 ай бұрын

And the catalan language there was prohibited for a long time and today it's a big minority compared to its status in Catalonia or Andorra

@jasonhatt4295 2 ай бұрын

I didn’t know that I had a vote in Vienna!

@williamrauschenberg8383 2 ай бұрын

That was rather the opposite of what they were trying to do IRL.

@caiusoof 2 ай бұрын

Let’s go! Hope you do this with the Seven Years War

@darthparallax5207 2 ай бұрын

The Seven Years' War is not as interesting as the Succession Wars for the purposes of a voting game. Let's vote on who gets the crown of the Spanish Habsburgs! Who gets Two Sicilies! Does Zorro liberate California? Spanish Succession Austrian Succession Polish Succession Burgundian Succession that I know of.

@jeffreygao3956 20 күн бұрын

I was thinking Mongol Empire.

@catriona_drummond 2 ай бұрын

People need to be more responsible. If you give Heligoland to Denmark, de British cannot use it to acquire Zanzibar, so the Germans keep it which means: Freddy Mercury will be German! Friedrich Quecksilber, probably singing German Schlagers. DO YOU REALLY WANT THAT?!

@ifer1280 2 ай бұрын

I totally want that! Someone should train an AI to do that!

@andrzej8144 Ай бұрын

Just because it would be controlled by germans it doesn't mean they would be german. There would be other people than germans in that place

@jeffreygao3956 20 күн бұрын

Whatever. I don't even listen to Freddy Mercury.

@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 2 ай бұрын

Regarding Guadalupe and Swedes in the Caribbean, there was almost Latin American Swedes! Carl XIV Johan (aka former Marshal Bernadotte) dearly wanted a colony on the South American mainland to develop. He tried for 20 years by hook and by crook to obtain territory but it never worked out. He personally always had a dream of developing a territory out of the wilderness dating back to the time Napoleon offered him the governorship of Louisiana in 1803. During the 1820s and 1830s Sweden was curiously quite involved in the affairs of Latin America and the Caribbean as Carl Johan angled to carve out a Swedish niche. It is a little known period of Swedish history.

@alanpennie8013 2 ай бұрын

I'm surprised The Swedes didn't make more of an effort to keep Guadeloupe. Apparently The Brits paid Bernadotte a deal of hush money to stop him making a fuss about it going back to France. You'd think France should have paid.

@JohnnyElRed 2 ай бұрын

As a Spaniard voting on the Andorra thing, I must say: at least this way we prevent it from transforming into a tax haven. And also having Roussillon incorporated would at least make it so all Catalonian speaking regions got under one authority instead of divided. And protect them from the heavy hand France has had with this kind of regional languages and identities.

@australiananarchist480 2 ай бұрын

tax havens are good, actually

@silphonym 2 ай бұрын

@@australiananarchist480no

@australiananarchist480 2 ай бұрын

@@silphonym yes.

@DavidJimenez-ux2lw 2 ай бұрын

@@australiananarchist480 yeah obviously making easier to the rich to pay even less taxes is good guys, trust me it will tricke down i swear!

@Rynewulf 2 ай бұрын

@@australiananarchist480the locals get pushed out by raised prices, and neither local or central governments get revenue. Universally bad for people, good for global elites scumming money

@romaniamapping2125 2 ай бұрын

I remember voting like I was paid by Napoleon. I literally voted every time to make France great again and Napoleon get power

@timmccarthy9917 2 ай бұрын

MFGA

@BlackHawk2b 2 ай бұрын

You are a nice person Vive l'Empereur !!!

@romaniamapping2125 2 ай бұрын

Oui-oui mon amie @@BlackHawk2b

@romaniamapping2125 2 ай бұрын

sure, why not

@donpollo3154 2 ай бұрын

Lol, I was the complete opposite. I tried to make Fr*nce as small as possible

@MrCalls1 2 ай бұрын

6:43 ‘kaiser-boos’ for enlarging the German states. Ok, I had the exact opposite reason to what you supposed, I wanted larger stronger German states so that they could more robustly oppose Prussian domination. Edit: and not just to fight Prussia, Germany was always going to unify under Prussia, austria, or unified little states solution. But whatever it is, hopefully there might be a counter-balance to Prussian cultural/militarism dominance

@chromographia106 2 ай бұрын

And if there's future (Prussian-led) unification anyway, the federal kingdom of Prussia won't be quite so big

@duskpede5146 2 ай бұрын

@@chromographia106which would be worse for the weimar republic since prussia was a solid leftwing bulwark against the far right

@paradoxicaloutcome1007 2 ай бұрын

@@duskpede5146 I mean by the time the Weimar republic rolls around the internal politics of Germany, if it even exist, will be a lot different. The events in this video are multiple generations of people removed from WW2. There's no guarantee Prussia would still be mostly leftwing or the others would be far right.

@sebastiansteidle6238 2 ай бұрын

It was prussian Militarism and buerocracy that led to WWI in the first place. No big Prussia means that the chaos of Weimar might be avoided entirely.@@duskpede5146

@CrimsonDude_ 2 ай бұрын

@@duskpede5146 maybe you're in the wrong timeline. Prussia was definitely not a leftwing bulwark, they refused to be at the helm of a unified germany because that opportunity was presented by 1848 revolutionaries - 'crown from the gutter'

@theChaosKe 2 ай бұрын

Here is a wild one, how about reestablishing saxony-poland and connecting them via silesia as a true buffer state between austria and prussia.

@grandengineernathan 2 ай бұрын

and how about about saxony-poland-lithuania-hungary-sweden-bohemia-silesia? winged hussars intensify

@owoc8260 2 ай бұрын

@@grandengineernathan you forgot about Croatia like before the death of Vladislaw Jagiellon

@grandengineernathan 2 ай бұрын

@@owoc8260 ah yes, my bad XD

@Ghiaman1334 2 ай бұрын

On voting for this treaty, I was looking first for independence where possible, then secondly to avoid exclaves without making people too large. Seeing these results, I think I would stay away from a WW2 scenario, I'm worried about those Kaiserboos becoming Wehraboos...

@tylerbozinovski427 2 ай бұрын

Why? Because they rightfully wouldn't accept Germany's massive losses of territory after the war?

@alphabetaomega265 2 ай бұрын

Can you make a poll and video about how we would structure a constitution? Like Question 1: Are the Head of State and Head of Government the same person? Question 2: Is the Head of Government elected by the Legislature, the People, appointed… Question 3: Is it a federation, confederation or centralised state etc? Etc. You could choose a real country at a specific moment in time and make it specific to that. Such as USA 1776, France 1793, West Germany 1949, France 1958, Afghanistan 2001 etc.

@WiluckGD 2 ай бұрын

I love this idea!

@bolivia_ihatethisyoutubeupdate 2 ай бұрын

Good idea!

@FlyingAlfredoSaucer 2 ай бұрын

This is actually a really good idea! It'd be interesting to see how the US or French or whatever other constitution would end up and how similar to the original it would be

@shinyagumon7015 2 ай бұрын

I would love to also know where the people who made what choice come from. Like are they voting for a Constitution similar to their home state or are they perhaps trying to avoid that at all costs.

@timmccarthy9917 2 ай бұрын

Gun ownership contingent on militia registration

@franciscomitforddecastroca737 2 ай бұрын

What about Olivenza? The Congress of Vienna promised to give it back to Portugal, but they didn’t do it, and Spain kept it. There perhaps should’ve been a vote to give it back to Portugal

@shinyagumon7015 2 ай бұрын

No, I missed it :( It would be cool if you announced the next contest in a separate video. I think, as a general rule of thumb, if you give people the ability to vote for a minor power gaining colonies or independence, most people will vote for that just to see how it shifts the border and also because It's fascinating to think about the implications of a more culturally diverse New World or Middle East. Also, what if, after Napoleon's second exile in Elba, he uses his influence to turn it into a respectable minor power in the Mediterranean like Monaco? So when he dies, the Elbians decide they would rather keep being ruled by his kin, so Napoleon III leaves France and becomes Monarch of Elba.

@martinsto8190 2 ай бұрын

If Napoleon stays on Elba, Napoleon the 2nd could inherit the Isle on behalf of Austria* (*if necessary) and maybe the mediterranean climate will improve his health.

@Mr.ByxisCOMPASS 2 ай бұрын

Without Lombardy Venetia Austrai would certainly be weaker but they might get less attracted to italian affair. Keep in mind that Prussia's victory in 1866 was partially thanks to Austria sending troups to Venetia to defend it from Italy (even though they previously agreed to give them the province).

@ryannathaniel9296 2 ай бұрын

Yeah. In this timeline, Austria would only need to dedicate itself on German and Balkan affairs. While wealthy and valuable, the Italian lands often distracted Austrian attention and manpower whenever it had a rebellion or war

@duskpede5146 2 ай бұрын

i'm shocked you didn't include the fate of the rhineland in the survey since that seemed to me to be the biggest change in the map from before. having prussia get given the wealthiest province in germany, just as a matter of compensation for poland

@Charlotte-nt1uj 2 ай бұрын

In our history curriculum (at a school somewhere in the Netherlands) we play out the congress of Vienna in year four of what we call middle school (around age 15). Everyone plays as a certain country. Some are big powers like France, Russia or Prussia, and others all small countries like Naples, Saxony or the Netherlands. I played as Saxony. For some reason my class thought they’d be funny and did some ridiculous stuff. They decided that everything would be a part of Russia (screw historical accuracy i guess) and because my class was made up of fools they had a 5/9 majority. At some point, we, as the tiny nation of Saxony, were the only ones resisting the force of the mighty combined empires of Russia, Prussia, the UK, France and Austria. It was very ridiculous, but still a fun project.

@danielbickford3458 2 ай бұрын

Could be interesting to make an alternate history out of this. You could even toss in more votes down the road for other major decisions.

@et_falta_rambla 2 ай бұрын

This series is great. I can wait to vote for the next one.

@Deriak27Forever 2 ай бұрын

I voted in favor of maximal Spanish gains mainly because the Peninsular War was arguably the most devastating part of the Napoleonic Wars, so this would be a fair compensation to the country. I also felt it didn't really threaten the status quo as Spain wasn't considered a Great Power anymore.

@DaDa-ui3sw 2 ай бұрын

Treaties are not about benevolent compensations, they're about balance of power, and a tight arbitration between punishing and giving guarantees to parties that will have influence in the course of history. Spain was simply too unimportant for it to gain territories over France, which would have been needlessly disrespectful towards France from the winning parties, as the French kingdom would inevitably play a massive role in the continent in the 19th century, and without any compensating diplomatic value in 'strengthening' a very weak country with a crumbling empire.

@tylerbozinovski427 2 ай бұрын

@@DaDa-ui3swAhh yes, like how Poland was (and still is) unimportant, yet it still got a massive chunk of German-speaking territories from Germany after WWII.

@DaDa-ui3sw 2 ай бұрын

@@tylerbozinovski427 I should have precised "treaties pre-WW1" because from there the right of peoples to self-determination became a major factor in geopolitics. It was nonexistent up until then, which makes your example irrelevant.

@tylerbozinovski427 2 ай бұрын

@@DaDa-ui3sw Not really, because the border change I just mentioned wasn't about self-determination at all, but rather about Soviet imperialism and the desire to punish Germany. The territories granted to Poland were thoroughly German.

@DaDa-ui3sw 2 ай бұрын

Doesn't change anything. Poland may in itself be unimportant but the stakes around the future of Polish lands were absolutely crucial in the context of post-WW2 Europe. Your point is null.

@Matthew_080 2 ай бұрын

It's interesting to see what people chose in that survey. Thank you for your video.😊

@BibleversesforHim 2 ай бұрын

This is by far my favorite series, please keep doing these

@sohopedeco 2 ай бұрын

I was rooting for Brazil to gain French Guiana since the beginning. 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

@duskpede5146 2 ай бұрын

i wasn't. brazil SUCKED for the entire 19th century. they still had slavery until like the 1890's. it is by far the worse outcome for the guyana's

@danielteodoro628 2 ай бұрын

@@duskpede5146The Reign of Pedro II was the best time to live in Brazil of all time

@TheWoollyFrog 2 ай бұрын

@@danielteodoro628 For some...

@duskpede5146 2 ай бұрын

@@danielteodoro628not if you were a slave, or poor

@edu_br0305 13 күн бұрын

@@duskpede5146 Pedro II's reign was beneficial to the country as a whole. It maybe didn't help the situation of the poor and the slaves, but It don't matter.

@TheSwedefromSvealandOfficial 2 ай бұрын

@EmperorTigerstar you should make a part 2 on how this alternate Vienna would change the world

@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 2 ай бұрын

The Swedish-Guadalupe connection lasted into the 1980s. Long-story short: When Marshal Bernadotte was elected Crown Prince of Sweden in 1810 and became Carl Johan, he paid off much of the Swedish national debt with his own money and from the handsome proceeds of the sale of his estates in France, Germany and Poland, and the Principality of Ponte Corvo. In 1812-1813 when Carl Johan was assembling the 6th Coalition with Britain and Russia against Napoleon, he had two territorial requests as the price of Sweden's participation in a campaign against Napoleon in Germany: 1) The cession of Norway from Denmark and 2) The cession of Guadalupe from France to the person of the Swedish King, and thence to Carl Johan (via Britain who occupied it) in partial personal compensation for having paid down the Swedish national debt, as well as having paid many Swedish nationals compensation, out of his own pocket to the tune of millions, for property lost to France after the French Invasion of Swedish Pomerania. During the War of the Sixth Coalition, and after a very brief campaign in December 1813 that saw Bernadotte overrun most of Denmark, the Treaty of Kiel was signed on 14 Jan 1814 that ceded the Kingdom of Norway to the Swedish Crown in exchange for Swedish Pomerania and £1Million. Carl Johan paid this sum out of his own pocket, again. However, at the Congress of Vienna in 1814, it was decided for various political reasons to return Guadalupe to France. In exchange, the British paid Carl Johan, directly, 24 Million Francs as a settlement. Carl Johan used 12 Million Francs to pay off the remaining Swedish national debt, and used the other 12 Million Francs to pay for various public works. To compensate Carl Johan for his extreme generosity for using so much of his own money for the national interest, the Swedish parliament, the Riksdag, voted Bernadotte an annuity of 300,000 Riksdalers per annum. After his death the annuity would transfer to his son and then to his heir (only those inheriting the crown) and so on. This annuity remained in place, still at 300,000 Kroner, until 1983 when the Riksdag voted to end it as the House of Bernadotte had by then been amply compensated.

@Decopunk1927 2 ай бұрын

Ranked voting is certainly possible by doing some math in a spreadsheet with the COUNTIF formula. I have figured out how to fully automate the Borda, Instant Runoff, and Condorcet counting methods, if you would be interested.

@J-Bahn 2 ай бұрын

Swedish Guadalupe, huh? That would make for a VERY interesting colonialism story. Imagine if abba did a song there.

@3bostonboys 2 ай бұрын

Honestly the independent Poland would probably be ruled by the Wettins, (the rulers of Saxony) and knowing their WONDERFUL mental abilities, would probably revolt at some point in the next 20 years and get partitioned. Youshould do more of these!

@tymekmarciniak3093 2 ай бұрын

Nice content on channel. I would like to see that with Potsdam and Yalta conference (mostly negotations about borders in eu after ww2 for poland and germany).

@jirkavebr-czmapper8059 2 ай бұрын

Now I wonder where would ESA build their launch site when french guyana became part of Brazil

@aytoeru 2 ай бұрын

Regarding Spain-France border. I voted for the winning options as that was historically part of the Crown of Aragon that was permanently renounced when the Treaty of the Pyrenees was signed which for me, as Spanish citizen, was just a political statement for France to declare itself dominator of Europe and humiliates Spain. Rousillon is historically and cultural part of Catalonia.

@DaDa-ui3sw 2 ай бұрын

it's only fair to have a part of Catalonia in France, just as it goes for the Basque country

@Didagg 2 ай бұрын

@@DaDa-ui3swwhy

@DaDa-ui3sw 2 ай бұрын

@@Didagg It's better this way

@Didagg 2 ай бұрын

@@DaDa-ui3sw How is it better this way, it would be better for all the catalan people to be united under one rule, wouldn’t it? Same with basque, especially considering how awful the french are with regional languages

@matthiuskoenig3378 2 ай бұрын

@@Didagg I would say its best for any peoples not D'oil to not be a part of france, considering their agressive policies of hardline integration of ancient cultures into the 'standard' french. the loss of Occitan is a disgrace.

@user-nn8cw6nv6g 2 ай бұрын

3:50 Because even to this day, the people of this region are Catalans.

@akjdhajkdjhaghjkadh9804 2 ай бұрын

love this pls do more

@stanisawzokiewski3308 2 ай бұрын

3:40 i remember a ck2 campain one of my first where i got that region as Spain from France, I also voted a lot for France in other questions so i felt like they cant get too much of a good thing.

@CaptainGalaxyCat2 2 ай бұрын

I got to decide on the congress of Vienna so cool

@ender7278 2 ай бұрын

11:23 It's the first one. The E is silent.

@RhombusOfTheJ 2 ай бұрын

I would love to see a follow up video diving deep into what would come out of this scenario

@noahjohnson935 2 ай бұрын

I think if Saxony kept their PU over Poland you might have an interesting scenario of these 2 buffer states being tied at the hip

@hunkulous1462 2 ай бұрын

These are so cool

@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 2 ай бұрын

Swedish Pomerania was willingly ceded to Prussia by Sweden in exchange for Prussia's assent to the Treaty of Kiel that transferred Norway to the Swedish Crown. This was a keynote of Bernadotte's policy as not only winning over Prussia to his aims, but also as his way of exiting Sweden out of European entanglements. He didn't want it. Even in 1813-1814 he envisioned Sweden as a mostly neutral nation that invested its modest resources into internal development rather than expansion as had been the policy since 1634. Bernadotte, as a product of the French Revolution, wanted "natural boundaries" for Sweden, surrounded now by water on three sides, that would keep it out of the endless wars. So for him, Norway was a far better prize than Pomerania, or even some of the Hanse Cities which Napoleon had offered him when he tried to detach Sweden from the Coalition.

@tylerbozinovski427 2 ай бұрын

"natural borders" Idk Sweden-Norway with the Finnmark panhandle always looked quite weird to me on a map tbh.

@alanpennie8013 2 ай бұрын

"Natural borders", ie no nasty land frontier with Denmark. It's remarkable how friendly the two countries became afterwards.

@austinchase2 2 ай бұрын

Rousillon and Andorra were still majority Catalan (in terms of ethnicity) as far as I knew when I voted. Also, with an increased share of Catalans in Spain, their bargaining power and influence within Spain would slightly increase, slightly weakening the aggressive political and cultural integration and assimilation by Madrid. Also to transfer some power from France to Spain.

@xaviersaavedra7442 2 ай бұрын

13:50 most likely the Swedes will sell it to us like Denmark did with the virgin islands.

@GustavSvard 2 ай бұрын

We didn't with Sankt Barthélemy, we handed that back to the French. St.Barts was Swedish from 1784 to 1878. Add in Guadalupe and maybe the Swedish possessions are seen as more important and kept til the present? Or they draw more interest from France, the UK and the US to take control over? Hard to tell. Sweden selling them to the US in the late 1800s to fund infrastructure development in Sweden proper could happen? the Danish virgin Islands were right next to the US possession of Puerto Rico, so was a more obvious thing for the US probably? but Guadalupe is further away. Still, having Guadalupe & St. Barts bu US islands is the outcome I'd go for. If not independent, of course. side-note: When Sweden took over St. Barts the new Swedish colonial government apparently just accepted and kept going with slavery.

@xaviersaavedra7442 2 ай бұрын

@@GustavSvard oh alright. Though I wouldn’t be surprised selling it to the British or Dutch might also have been an option, now that you mentioned it. You know how 19th/20th century geo politics works.

@redbeard5939 2 ай бұрын

With the Spainish border, I really wanted an option to give Spain Rousillon but maintain the dual principality in Andorra. Since that wasn't an option, I voted for the 1792 border. I liked giving Spain the bit of French territory because of the cultural similarities of the Gascon and Catalan peoples Perhaps that cultural union would have latter lead to a successful break away, cross mountain state; and, I think that's funny.

@Edmonton-of2ec 2 ай бұрын

Technically speaking, Britain was expecting to lose Hanover in 1815. Keep in mind George IV’s only legitimate child, Princess Charlotte of Wales, was still alive at this point. So the expectation was that Charlotte would inherit the throne of Britain and pass it to her descendants while either the Duke of York and Albany or the Duke of Clarence would become the next King of Hanover after the deaths of George III (1820) and George IV (1830), with the Duke of Clarence, best known as William IV as York was fairly unhealthy and died in 1827.

@theabysswalker4225 2 ай бұрын

I think it would be interesting if next time you did one of these you asked the respondents to identify where they land on the political spectrum, it would be interesting to see how that correlates to some of the questions

@serhatyigit1321 2 ай бұрын

Great video

@QingChina1 2 ай бұрын

6:45 Nice!!

@demeterruinedmylife3199 2 ай бұрын

I actually favoured Austria in most options, mostly because I decided that with the benefits of the hindsight, if I want to have a longer period balance, I need to pump up the weakest bloke on the block.

@Nikanuur 2 ай бұрын

I voted prioritizing clean(er) borders and causing chaos in that order, so I think the means I got most of what I voted for in this. I don't quite remember all of what I went with

@Nootathotep 2 ай бұрын

I'm not a fan of Kaiser nonsense at all but I voted for big Bavaria and Hanover because they have fewer ugly exclaves

@tylerbozinovski427 2 ай бұрын

Bavaria and Hanover aren't the same thing as the Kaiserreich. The latter didn't even survive past 1866, when they sided with Austria (for whatever reason).

@matthiuskoenig3378 2 ай бұрын

@@tylerbozinovski427 most states sided with austria, partially because austria was the tradtional leader of germany, and partially because prussia was seen as the agressor in the war.

@Kikabopom 2 ай бұрын

it'd be interesting to make more of these surveys keep the same continuity, so going forward we could have events after this point be decided by survey and the outcomes and whatnot, like if the archduke frank gets assassinated or not, and if the powers of europe decide to escalate, how certain revolutions go, if war breaks out, and if so who wins, what happens after, etc. like a survey version of Paradox games like hearts of iron or europa universalis

@tomaszmagierowski2166 2 ай бұрын

The music was also used in Civilization IV and I just heard it a lot yesterday lol

@jamespusey7186 2 ай бұрын

i love how britain was pretty much like "oh those colonies? yeah they're just ours now" irl

@ethanfranzen8684 2 ай бұрын

Can you please make a follow-up on this scenario? What would occur if this had gone through?

@Marz049 2 ай бұрын

Dam i missed this one, when we gonna do another?

@lavaman49 2 ай бұрын

I didn't expect it to show up, but an interesting poll could have been about the Stato dei presidii, giving it back to Naples or not

@duskpede5146 2 ай бұрын

when voting for colonies i didn't want to give anything back to france since they seemed to be the worst of them in regards to future colonial matters. especially when it came to the 20th century and potential independence, which they fought tooth and nail to prevent

@ebenezer576 2 ай бұрын

For Guyane and Guadeloupe it went well though?

@duskpede5146 2 ай бұрын

@@ebenezer576they're literally still colonies to this day

@11conormcloughlin 2 ай бұрын

Metternich, Castlereagh, Hardenburg, Alexander I and Talleyrand all seethe.

@alanpennie8013 2 ай бұрын

I think Castlereagh and Talleyrand are fairly happy.

@WhizzKid2012 2 ай бұрын

OMG I MISSED IT SO NARROWLY

@friendlyavocado4319 2 ай бұрын

RIP Olivenza not being brought up

@yorktown99 2 ай бұрын

I'm disappointed that we didn't get a ranked auction of 300-plus entities.

@bidus3115 2 ай бұрын

Peace in our time lads

@panarchy9450 2 ай бұрын

While it would take a bit more time, a secondary poll with the two most popular choices would probably be better, especially when sometimes the result of the polls are literally like 2-10% margins.

@panarchy9450 2 ай бұрын

adding a *

@tylerbozinovski427 2 ай бұрын

Will there be a WWII vote next?

@angusyang5917 2 ай бұрын

I don't think this map change was that drastic, at least from the perspective of a modern audience, because the Congress of Vienna is farther back than the Peace of Versailles, meaning that emotions and memories are not that strong.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 2 ай бұрын

The lack of a question about Finland is dissapointing.

@francogiobbimontesanti3826 2 ай бұрын

What’s happens with Ceylon and South Africa?

@franciscomitforddecastroca737 2 ай бұрын

No vote on whether to give Corsica to Piedmont-Sardinia?

@deeznoots6241 Ай бұрын

These videos are always funny because they seemingly always result in the most unrealistic possibility and most likely would cause another war.

@eckusprosion5166 2 ай бұрын

Can someone explain to me how making Prussia's live harder in their quest to unify germany is the ultimate kaiserboo move? I don't get it

@Bruhmanih7 2 ай бұрын

RAGUSA RESTORED LESSS GOOOOOO 🗣🗣🗣💯💯💯

@existinginaspace8347 2 ай бұрын

This gives me a single thread of hope, my family's German component are Saxony native.

@velocassini 2 ай бұрын

Yes finally!

@polkadotsideplates 2 ай бұрын

Not a subscriber (yet?) but my brother made me vote. I don't regret it. Very fun.

@feralcatgirl 2 ай бұрын

12:00 emperor tigerstar endorses venezuelan position on essequibo 👀

@Rynewulf 2 ай бұрын

Rousillon was part of historic Catalonia and Spain. First there was the breakaway March of Catalonia that left after Charlemagne, then the consolidation of Catalan areas under County of Barcelona, then unification with the Kingdom of Aragon, then unification with Castille-Leon. It only became French in the late 1600s as over the early modern period France successfully attacked Spain and took more and more land. Similar things happened in Basque France the other side of the Pyrenees

@fireandblood8142 2 ай бұрын

The march of Catalonia didn't leave Charlemagne, it was part of the kingdom of West Francia and France "de jure", but then the kings of France lost all their authority over the region which gradually became independent, until it united with Aragon. This is why France felt entitled to annex it later, since it had old historical claims to this territory

@Rynewulf 2 ай бұрын

@@fireandblood8142 I edited because I meant to put *after Charlemagne. The Marcher Lords did exert independence so that as France was forming from the all the wars between East, Middle, West Frankia and co the area was a set of counts and barons who ignored the French kings and then unified under Barcelona. I wasnt trying to say France didnt have a claim (I believe Rousillon specifically was via hereditary feudal inheritance), but that the greater Catalan speaking region had a long Spanish history whereas the French rule was so early and brief it would be very strange to say call Barcelona French rather than Spanish. Am I making sense?

@Iason29 2 ай бұрын

Your poll missed the most crucial change, give back Finland to Sweden and Norway back to Denmark

@Sharp_Cheddar 2 ай бұрын

The sam o nella music in the background is making me nostalgic

@anthonyn.7379 2 ай бұрын

The way I voted was by taking the oversimplified idea of "The Congress of Vienna was created to reset Europe to before the French Revolution" too seriously. I voted "Give ___ back to ___" or "Restore ___" every time, and even intentionally abstained from voting on a few of the questions if none of the answers suggested returning the map to how they were roughly 25 years prior.

@MoolsDogTwoOfficial 2 ай бұрын

I feel honoured for participating in this.

@idontdeservesubs2637 2 ай бұрын

I had fun voting but I forgot about this project until now

@revinhatol 2 ай бұрын

11:27 You pronounced that right the first and third times, next you translated it to Spanish.

@MegaBanane9 2 ай бұрын

One small correction though: Andorra has been (and is) ruled by the head of the french state and the bishop of Urgel in Spain, not the head of the spanish state.

@dasmysteryman12 2 ай бұрын

Ironically I missed this poll because the Congress of Vienna was the subject of my master's thesis. When I was an undergrad, I attended a course on European Diplomatic Practice. It was a combination of lectures and "simulations", basically games in which we would take diplomatic conferences and events in history and pretend we were in that situation. Your Congress of Vienna simulation is more comprehensive than what I had when I was a student. We were grouped into two. One group proposed an economic trade union using the most stereotypical of foods as the main products of exchange. My group proposed we marry everyone off to each other. It eventually sparked my interest in the Congress itself.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 2 ай бұрын

I didnt vote in the poll but I would give Rousilon to Spain because castilians are closer to the natives of that land than the french.

@fireandblood8142 2 ай бұрын

Catalans are closer to Occitans (southern French) than to Castillans, they have the same language

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 2 ай бұрын

@@fireandblood8142 But castilians are closer to catalans than french to occitans.

@realhawaii5o 2 ай бұрын

So, who gets Olivenza?

@cyborgspaceman Ай бұрын

I wasn't on the patreon for this vote, but I can appreciate many members basically dong what I would have done in these votes: make sure the Habsburgs can never have anything nice.