Post-Roe dystopia is here

Before Florida’s six week ban went into effect last week, Florida was one of the last places in the southeast United States where a person could get an abortion at all. Now, depending on how advanced their pregnancy is, a person seeking an abortion will have to travel as far as Kansas or Virginia to get the care they need. But law professor and historian Mary Ziegler warns that the anti-abortion movement aims for sweeping, nationwide bans. ‘The ultimate goal for the anti abortion movement is to have the conservative US supreme court say essentially that fetuses are persons under the 14th amendment in the federal constitution’ says Ziegler.
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#RoevWade #Abortion #Florida

[@lamars2486]

There is NO HEART IN A 6 WEEK OLD FETUS, its a cell structure, the heartbeat is the mothers pulse. GET THIS RIGHT

[@williamblake827]

I’m not sure there’s a heart in abortion supporters either.

[@caronb1967]

I went for a 9 week appointment, and left without getting a "heartbeat" they assured me it wasn't a big deal. My son was born safely, but that was a new experience for me (this was my 2nd child) so it isn't a definitive sign of life. The actual baby being born and taking their first breath is.

[@williamblake827]

@@caronb1967 and what, may I ask, did you conclude?

[@JoeByeDumb]

Some people have their heart removed and replaced with a pig's heart. What's your point. It's proven by the scientific method that life begins at conception. A human fetus is a human being and a human being is a person. The Constitution clearly states a state cannot make a law depriving a PERSON to the right to LIFE , Liberty and property without due process. Selective abortion is murder.

[@JoeByeDumb]

​@@caronb1967a fetus does breathe. But your argument it sounds like you're saying if a baby is born mute and needs to be put on a breathing machine because it's having problems then that this baby isn't a human being that's not true. The scientific method proves that life begins at conception a human fetus is a human being and a human being is a person The Constitution and the scientific method proves that selective abortion is murder

[@parlormusic1885]

Embryos are persons, but not their mothers? It’s obscene.

[@fantym1633]

13th amendment: “Neither SlAvErY nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” Forced birth is involuntary servitude imposed absent conviction

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

That is what these nutjobs believe. It is all about forcing women into involuntary servitude.

[@Just-Human]

Fetuscide is wrong

[@grunthostheflatulent2613]

A gun has more rights than a woman in America...

[@aaronthenorm5400]

@@fantym1633 ...a handmaids' tale!!

[@Arahknid]

Her body. Her choice. I do not understand what is so threatening about a woman who does not wish to be pregnant.

[@CRMcGee2]

"Not enough domestic stock" Xenophobic about the immigrants as usual for that crowd.

[@TheUMIA]

Wait, now you know what a woman is? Are you also supporting Hamas?

[@Arahknid]

@@TheUMIA woman's rights in the US and the constant wars in the Middle East have exactly what in common? Only conspiracy believers think the Earth is flat.

[@tjhill4044]

It's the idea that a womans worth is only to carry the seed of a ( white) man. She is not a human being of herself. So bad so inhuman!

[@stevestoll3124]

Nothing. This has everything to do with states right. You, me and the man on the moon can change it by changing the state legislature ,Senate and Governor.

[@heatherpayne1995]

I started bleeding heavily at 13 weeks during my second pregnancy in 2006. I lost so much blood I couldn't move or speak. They gave me enough fluid that I could put on X on the consent form and rushed me into surgery. I'm so grateful to the doctor that saved my life. I woke up getting a transfusion. If hospital lawyers had to consult before surgery I just wouldn't be here, my daughter wouldn't have had a mother and my youngest child would have never been born. These laws aren't pro-life.

[@micheleconner5083]

I thought it was a doctors business to monitor womens pregnancy, not the government!!

[@dsddala467]

No. At 55 years old, no doctor I have ever had monitored my periods. How would they do that? The can give pregnancy tests, and ask you about your cycle (consistent? Spotting in between? Etc) but how would they monitor it?

[@moniho6907]

​@@dsddala467because that's what trump is now saying that would happen

[@blessedcutie8983]

Republicans used to boast about less government. Now, they brag about more government, at least to control women.

[@lorrie2878]

Call your elected officials. Find your local PP number and get a t-shirt. Get signatures! Vote BLUE.

[@aaronthenorm5400]

​@@lorrie2878true blue is always better then; Commie-red!

[@barbaragdisis4606]

WASHINGTON (AP) - One woman miscarried in the restroom lobby of a Texas emergency room as front desk staff refused to admit her. Another woman learned that her fetus had no heartbeat at a Florida hospital, the day after a security guard turned her away from the facility. And in North Carolina, a woman gave birth in a car after an emergency room couldn’t offer an ultrasound. The baby later died.

[@CalistaRea]

My heart breaks for all the women and families.

[@barbaracole3063]

This is so sad. The damage being caused..... This is inhumane !!

[@lamiagumbo]

Forced birthers don't care about the suffering of children or women or young girls. The only thing that matters to the forced birther is that women and young girls know their place- as state property. All you have to do is look at their voting records to know that is true.

[@SatansBirdLawExpert]

They also want to fill their factories and for-profit prisons

[@jeffreyenglish1815]

The real endgame is Eugenics. White Christian babies.

[@TheUMIA]

Sadly, your mother gave birth.

[@Sarcasticron]

It's really telling how they NEVER acknowledge that a woman is a person, with rights and feelings and family who love her. The foetus is a person, but the woman is just a baby factory. Not Christian at all.

[@barbaragdisis4606]

Forced pregnancy is the practice of forcing a woman or girl to become pregnant or remain pregnant against her will. This act is often as part of a forced marriage, as part of a programme of breeding slaves, or as part of a programme of genocide. Forced pregnancy is a form of reproductive coercion

[@gingw7333]

Had my sister-in-law's doctors been required to stop and debate the legality of intervening surgically when she had a ruptured tubal pregnancy and was minutes from bleeding to death, she as well as the cell cluster would not have survived. Later she had a perfectly healthy child. This Republican BS is insanity.

[@TheRealCrimdor]

Nobody can point to a single story in any of the harsher abor tion states where the mother was not saved because of the new laws.

[@user-en1dr8oq3v]

YEAH - and therefore VOTE BLUE!!

[@user-en1dr8oq3v]

@@TheRealCrimdor BS: Read this and start thinking! “How a man ever could know what the life of a woman is? … The man spends a night with a woman and goes away. His life and his body remain the same. The woman receives. As a mother she is another human being as without a child. She is carrying nine months the fruit of the night. Something grows. It grows into her life and never ever will disappear. She is a mother. She is and remains a mother even if the child dies, even if all her children die. Because she carried the child below her heart. And it never will get out of her heart. Not even it is dead. All of this a man doesn’t know, he knows nothing. He doesn’t know the difference between love and the time after love, bevor motherhood and after motherhood. He cannot know anything. Only a woman knows this and speak about it. And that is why we don’t want be told from our men what we have to do.“ Ethiopian women said. Barbara G. Walker, "The Women's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets"; P. 751, German Edition, marginalia “motherhood”) There is nothing to add. VOTE BLUE!!

[@avishevin1976]

@@TheRealCrimdor There are cases where women had to leave their state to get such care. Why are you so eager for women to die before you take action?

[@zainab58]

The extra horrifying part is that MEDICALLY, treatment of an ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion. Try telling that to legislators. No, sorry, you can’t remove an embryo from the fallopian tube--where it will die regardless--and re-implant it in the uterus.

[@lamars2486]

It takes SIX WEEKS TO GET INTO A DOCTORS OFFICE, let alone a obgyn

[@annakeye]

They know that. Hence the choice of six weeks.

[@fantym1633]

Takes a yr to schedule OBGYN appt in TX

[@bjarkiengelsson]

Yeah. They did it on purpose as to force women to give birth.

[@kgs2280]

@@fantym1633Probably because most of the OBGYNs in Texas have moved out of state be abuse of these laws. They want to go where they can practice their trade. Same as many other red states.

[@LadyElaineLovegood]

So a fertilized chicken egg is the same thing as a full-grown chicken? Granting fertilized human eggs full personhood is just as nonsensical.

[@kgs2280]

And acorns are not oak trees.

[@9290SC]

You got it... they're persons! I didn't come from an embryo, I once was an embryo. It's simply a stage of human development! Abortion is murder.

[@private-local-enemy]

@@9290SC your brain is clearly still in that embryonic stage of development.

[@mellie4174]

Thank you!

[@jandrews6254]

What about the 25% of pregnancies that spontaneously abort ie are caused by “god”?

[@sarabeth8050]

Because they are high demand, good doctors are moving out of red states to minimize risk.

[@jandrews6254]

Well then, it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Women in anti abortion states can’t access health care, doctors move to where their services are permitted, leaving those women without care. They either survive or don’t, the pregnancy either survives or doesn’t. Voila!

[@pibbie807constantine6]

if an embryo is a person at conception child support needs to begin.

[@irenafarm]

“Wait! Not like that!”

[@carultch]

The problem is, you can't prove paternity at conception.

[@user-cz5lj2vx1f]

If fetuses are considered "persons", then, WOMEN will NOT be seen as people--but, as CARRYING CASES for Fetuses--with NO RIGHTS that the laws are bound to respect.

[@aaronthenorm5400]

....A handmaidens tale!

[@andrewharrison8436]

Presumably female fetuses have different rights to male ones!?

[@CalistaRea]

Exactly!

[@arcanineryu]

You can see this so blatantly in how so many women are being denied medication for their often debilitating illnesses like lupus, chrones, arthritis, and epilepsy because of the meds not being safe to use while pregnant and "what if she gets gRaped??" You know how many lifesaving medications that are not safe to use while nursing or pregnant?!?! And these forced birther religious wackos are genuinely talking about "how many of these women can go off their medication just long enough to deliver a sickly premature baby and then die immediately after? Let's put the cutoff point right after that where abortion is allowed. And just encourage all these women to be permanently disabled by denying their medication for 9 months"

[@kgs2280]

Brood mares.

[@jamilieberman996]

This map looks eerily similar to one from the 1850s. Slave states vs free states. Now we have forced birth states vs free states. It’s not the same thing but you do have a portion of the population whose agency has been stripped from them. This is the wrong direction.

[@notpurrfect6397]

You're right. There is a similar map.

[@ladylaurus8493]

Forced pregnancy is literally a form of slavery. Look back in history if you don’t believe me

[@annakeye]

Looks like slavery of a different type but slavery nonetheless.

[@jamilieberman996]

@@annakeye yes - coerced reproduction.

[@irenafarm]

They’re using many of the same arguments to dehumanize women.

[@user-ne2vm9hn1h]

Child support payments should starts at 6 weeks. It’s despicable that women are carrying this burden

[@sab3295]

Yup... an parents of those frozen embryos in Alabama should claim them on their taxes.

[@lauralafauve5520]

That might change a few perspectives.

[@arcticgoddess]

100%

[@JoeByeDumb]

​@@lauralafauve5520if that's the case than the husband would have to have equal say to when the woman goes for a doctor visit for the baby check up and things of that nature. Is that really going to be worth it for women for what 80 cents a day for the extra nourishment for the baby. Also you might get an argument from people who pay tax dollars for state funded nourishment programs for pregnant women that this should be defunded.

[@JoeByeDumb]

​@@arcticgoddessnopes because if you do that and you force men to pay an extra $0.80 a day for nourishment for the baby he would have to have say on when she goes for a doctor visit and things of that nature. Also it would mean taxpayers have a right to make the argument that tax funded nutritional programs for pregnant women should be stopped. They would have to go to court and get the 80 cents a day from the man who impregnated them. And when they also have to prove who impregnated them. And if she's wrong it should she faced some criminal charges for charging a man 80 cents a day to take care of a child that wasn't his. How do you feel about laws in States like New York where women can take her husband to court and force him to take care of her child she had with another man while cheating on her husband.

[@cococonlin170]

There are going to be a lot a "forced-fathers" who can look forward to paying child support for the next 18 years. Or, is it now 19 as it begins at 6 weeks?

[@carultch]

Until you can court-order prenatal paternity tests, it is impossible to enforce prenatal child support.

[@analise17]

Seems like The Handmaid's Tale should be required reading in middle school. I read it back in HS and was incredulous that it could happen, but here we are.

[@kgs2280]

Unfortunately, we read the Handmaid’s Tale as a warning, but the Republicans read it as a blueprint.

[@CalistaRea]

So, will women be facing jail sentences for miscarrying? I mean, it is the woman who is carrying the fetus so if something goes wrong, surely it is her fault. Where is the line - - heck, what happened to the sand to draw the line in. This is beyond ridiculous!

[@missinterpretation4984]

Yes, actually, I do think they’ll go there. It’s so sick.

[@SatansBirdLawExpert]

If they know you were unable to get an abortion but then miscarry in the future, I can see them absolutely trying to accuse women of inducing(?) a miscarriage

[@micheleconner5083]

Since politicians are doctors and can't understand what is causing a miscarriage, yes,they'd try to criminalize a miscarriage. Life begins at first breath! Not at first heartbeat.

[@scottcharney1091]

@@SatansBirdLawExpert Yeah, early abortions (the vast majority) are indistinguishable from miscarriages. A woman who induces said miscarriage (this can be done safely, although it's inadvisable, with things available at the local drug store) need not say anything at the hospital. There's no way that the authorities could investigate every miscarriage in the country.

[@SatansBirdLawExpert]

@@scottcharney1091 thank you for the knowledge!

[@dilsadmeraler]

It’s beyond me that we are talking about women rights in this age How horrific that republicans brought us to this point

[@charlottevarney7268]

People better vote against trump!!!!!

[@DisaffectedLiberal]

Nah. If there was a better option, I would consider it: But there isn't.

[@TheUMIA]

It's up to the states...

[@Bignickfor1]

@@DisaffectedLiberal. The simplest single cell organism would be a better choice than DJT.

[@DisaffectedLiberal]

@@Bignickfor1 Which is still a better choice than our current guy.

[@aaronthenorm5400]

What?! Vote against autocrocy??

[@DavidJ222]

“If there is one fact we really can prove, from the history that we really do know, it is that despotism can be a development, often a late development and very often indeed the end of societies that have been highly democratic. A despotism may almost be defined as a tired democracy. As fatigue falls on a community, the citizens are less inclined for that eternal vigilance which has truly been called the price of liberty; and they prefer to arm only one single sentinel to watch the city while they sleep.” ― G.K. Chesterton, The Everlasting Man “The actions of government, we are told, bear down only on imprudent souls who provoke them. The man who resigns himself and keeps silent is always safe. Reassured by this worthless and specious argument, we do not protest against the oppressors. Instead we find fault with the victims. Nobody knows how to be brave even prudentially. Everyone stays silent, keeping his head low in the self-deceiving hope of disarming the powers that be by his silence. People give despotism free access, flattering themselves that they will be treated with consideration. Eyes to the ground, each person walks in silence the narrow path leading him safely to the tomb.” ― Benjamin Constant, Principles of Politics Applicable to All Governments.

[@8MINNE]

"Hence the word WOKE which they all have their knickers in a twist about... People better take back that moniker… get woke… wake up and vote blue!!" --- Concerned citizen of Europe

[@DavidJ222]

​@@8MINNE Agreed! 👍

[@varonicagilbert4649]

So if a fetus and an embryo are by law a person; then I assume we will also be able to claim them on our taxes & for those receiving money from the government for their children, they should also get paid for their fetus and embryos.

[@ZEEZob]

So a baby is a person; right? Do babies or kids even pay taxes? Stop rationalizing your nonsense

[@irenafarm]

Pregnant people won’t be able to drive because it’s illegal for a child under a certain age/weight to be in the front. Pregnant people will have to be released from jail because the fetus hasn’t had due process. Pregnant people can only work part time because it’s illegal to employ a child for more than a few hours per day, and per week.

[@alexwyatt2911]

@@ZEEZob …so you don’t understand claiming dependents on your tax return. Got it.

[@varonicagilbert4649]

⁠@@ZEEZobI hope you don’t file your own taxes. Please have an accountant who actually understands claiming dependents which provides you tax credit do it for you. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@kcar8974]

@@alexwyatt2911I’m assuming he’s a child

[@derronhall495]

This newscaster is right. I looked it all up and from reliable sources. You should look it up, too. This newscaster guy isn't lying.

[@lynnebarrett9912]

Air transport is unbelievably expensive. Sue for the state to pay, since women can't even see a Dr. 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬💙💙💙

[@ZEEZob]

Or they could wait to have a baby or even better, use proper birth control. Her body, her responsibility.

[@irenafarm]

@@ZEEZobNot all abortions are done for convenience. Many are medical emergencies.

[@kgs2280]

@@ZEEZobWhy don’t you just directly say that you know NOTHING about how women’s bodies work? Because you have just said it indirectly.

[@private-local-enemy]

@@ZEEZob were you touting this same opinion when that pregnant ten year old ohio girl was in the news cycle? guess she should have waited, huh? or used proper birth control, lol.

[@ZEEZob]

@@private-local-enemy that’s a one-off example. On the parents for not protecting her from pdfs

[@JaniceB1217]

So wait they dont have the funds to help families but they have the funds to monitor their bodies/pregnancies about the same kids that have no funds to help feed 🤔

[@masterchiefmidget89]

It’s a woman’s body and a woman’s choice period! There should be no interference,intervention or say by the church,state or federal government on what a woman is allowed to do.

[@faustinreeder1075]

Was it my body when I was told to get the Covid shot or get fired?

[@scottcharney1091]

Elevated Access is an organization of volunteer private plane pilots who, for no charge and with no questions asked, fly women from states with abortion bans to states where they can get abortions, and back again. It's a great idea! Spread the word, and donate if you can.

[@jeffreyenglish1815]

If I were a woman, I would take a pregnancy test every 3 weeks whether or not I’ve been active. Actually, I think every woman should follow the Lysistrata plan until men came to their senses.

[@TheUMIA]

You sound like you are pretending to be a woman now...

[@FionaKelleghan3267]

That was the greatest play of antiquity and one of the greatest of all time. Thank you, my friend, for the reminder.

[@nonya.bizness]

with a 6 week ban you would need to take a pregnancy test way more frequently than that. what is called 6 weeks pregnant is actually not 6 weeks pregnant. it's the first day of your last period, and conception occurs around two weeks after that. so you're maybe, at most, 4 weeks pregnant and maybe only 10 days pregnant. also, in reality, testing positive only means fertilization has occurred, which happens in the fallopian tube and takes another 10-14 days to implant in the uterine wall, and that is when an actual pregnancy starts. in order to have time to get an abortion within that 6 week window, you would need to test virtually daily.

[@annakeye]

@@nonya.bizness You raise a very good point regarding how pregnancy is measured. I knew the day I conceived so argued that I was 39 weeks pregnant at birth but by the metric used, I was classed as 41 weeks pregnant.

[@justpassinthru155]

I have an idea, let's say no. Women need to say no to their husbands, no to their boyfriends, no to any act that could lead to pregnancy. The majority of lawmakers are men,let's turn all this insanity around and put the shoe on the other foot! Let's see how long these laws would stay in place! As a retired nurse it was never about my personal beliefs it was about respecting my patient's beliefs & choices. And that's a good rule for all of us, respect each woman's choice with their medical care!!! Not tonight dear, I've got a headache!

[@mariannefinkel]

Everyone should have a right to be born wanted

[@jogreen3081]

Republican women care a LOT. Just because state legislatures keep passing these bills, does not mean the people agree with it. It will be on the ballot. Every time it is on the ballot, women WIN. I was 1/2 hr away from dying, I will never be quiet about it.

[@FionaKelleghan3267]

We are glad you survived.

[@moniho6907]

Vote blue

[@aaronthenorm5400]

If they truly cared they would vote for politicians who won't end rights of women!

[@jandrews6254]

Some women may froth at the mouth and parrot the anti abortion narrative of the society they live in, but their votes are private and it’ll be interesting to see how they VOTE!

[@aaronthenorm5400]

MIND YOUR OWN business This is all moot; if she doesn't want to give birth; no one should force her!

[@robynmasters335]

Even if Trump says really could care less and says he'll let the states decide, he changes his mind like the weather and he's a pathological liar.

[@lamars2486]

Its STATES RIECHS or RITES not really RIGHTS

[@ZEEZob]

Which reich? The HRE?

[@ericwright8177]

Never thought i would see Women's Rights striped away. There should be fury at the ballot boxes. VOTE BLUE 💙💙💙💙💙

[@stevestoll3124]

More people are worried about putting gas in their cars. Food in their kids bellies. And keeping a roof over their heads. This election is all about Bidenomics and the slow death of the middle class.

[@kyliepechler]

And what part of a person's control over access to their own reproductive medical care will they be taking away next?

[@ZEEZob]

Uhh it’s a woman’s choice… to end up with the baby in the first place

[@ZEEZob]

@@kyliepechler uh the part that’s a normal consequence for not using rubbers

[@arcticgoddess]

Don't worry, there are already bills in the House and in Republican state houses banning birth control too. Apparently Jesus doesn't like it.

[@ssc4153]

We welcome you to "The Handmaid's Tale"...........

[@annakeye]

Apparently it was a text book, not a novel.

[@CortexNewsService]

​@@annakeyethen they read that book more than the Bible they say they love so much

[@justsayin5609]

USA heretofore to be known as Giliad...😢😢😢

[@heatherpayne1995]

Thanks, I hate it.

[@Divine_Health_And_Fitness]

I wonder how many when are celibate now for fear of forced pregnancy?

[@LulaMae21]

Anyone who wants to monitor periods clearly has NO idea how many women's cycles are irregular. Good luck with that. 😂

[@jimcypher]

Deplorable.

[@DavidJ222]

Fun fact: deciding whether or not a woman can have an abor tion is an old tradition in comm unist countries. Is that who we are now?

[@bartjargengarblbargeler1980]

Fun fact: You're a clone account.

[@dsddala467]

Actually that's not true. China does not care if you have an abortion. At all. Just saying.

[@TheRealCrimdor]

Actually a good number of NATO ally countries have laws that are stricter than RoevWade was.

[@higgs923]

Dictatorship is another old tradition in communist countries. There's only one candidate who wants to be a dictator. And that's who Republicans are now.

[@mile_high_topher]

@@TheRealCrimdor Are any of them stricter than Florida? Or full bans like Texas?

[@grahamjones5400]

I guess celibacy will be the next lifestyle trend in Florida

[@kated3165]

...until they force marriages!

[@irenafarm]

It’s possible to force women to become pregnant, unfortunately.

[@nglchff]

Except in The Villages. ;)

[@stella-gx8ne]

Spring break😂😂😂😂

[@user-zo9fp6os5c]

The same people who decided this, believe in trickle down economics. Let the Hunger Games begin!

[@cheriewolfsen2491]

Scary Times!!!😢

[@JaniceB1217]

An fetus has more protection than Nixzmary Brown did. 😢

[@natbarmore]

1:42 I don’t think “abortion advocates” are a thing. You probably mean advocates for _access to_ abortion. We need to be careful not to inadvertently reinforce anti-abortion/forced-pregnancy activists’ lies about what is at stake and what people believe.

[@moonlightpixie9976]

Abortion is healthcare plain and simple lawmakers have no business butting into medical decisions! Vote 💙

[@roberthunter6927]

Normally I don't like special privilege, because in so many cases it is not warranted. So what is a WARRANTED case of special privilege? Women who opt to have children, without duress. Ladies, thank you for your service. And if you don't want to have a child, that is totally OK too. Your body, your choice. At least that should be the attitude of a civilized society. Stay safe. I am not an American, but wish you all well.

[@MomoDuJardin]

Welcome in Gilead Florida!!

[@fosta4243]

Hmmm, if they want tracked menstruation, we could provide that by mailing used pads to the republicans!

[@JaniceB1217]

Since they wanna take a page out of the handmaid tale, I'm taking a page out of the chi-raq movie "I will deny all rights of access or entrance!"

[@terrencekane8203]

"Many people were saying it couldn't be done, but I did it. I ended Roe v Wade." --- Trump 2024.

[@ddddddd73388]

her body. her choice.

[@judithsanders9801]

Another medical definition of abortion is "removal of the products of conception." So that means not only an intact fetus, but also any bit of placenta, etc. left behind after a miscarriage & going septic.

[@lauralafauve5520]

Really looking forward to your Podcast, Mr. Velshi.

[@briannastultz1468]

The Handmaids Tale

[@melbaangel420]

I hate that nobody ever brings up the fact that no matter what nobody has the right to use somebody else's body as life support even if you give the fetuses personhood the mother still has the right to say she doesn't want her body used as an incubator we don't Harvest dead bodies for all usable organs and tissue we don't force people to donate blood or bone marrow you can donate part of your liver and still continue to live and we don't force people to do that

[@margoclayton6400]

You go Girl!!

[@jeanettecarter5438]

💙💙💙💙💙💙🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@DeeLynn]

It matters who you may vote for as judges.

[@higgs923]

The best description of today's Republicans was written by H.L. Mencken nearly 100 years ago.: "No one in this world, so far as I know-and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me-has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. The mistake that is made always runs the other way. Because the plain people are able to speak and understand, and even, in many cases, to read and write, it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly." H.L. Mencken, September 18, 1926, Baltimore Sun newspaper

[@Shmoo22420]

Can we sue the government for reproductive coercion? Serious question.

[@ddddddd73388]

American women are strong! Pro choice!

[@JoseDiaz-rh2vp]

Roevember💙💙🌊🌊

[@briljin]

While I agree that six weeks is way too short, let's stop pretending that there are not numerous methods to avoid accidently pregnancy.

[@DannyDeee]

Where are all the anti-forcedbirther songs?

[@gmt5664]

So can states restrict non-resident women from getting an abortion? Sorry, California first, abortion only for women to pay taxes or something in California, no one from Arizona or Idaho or Texas? Just curious.

[@ClarityDetermination]

Florida DeSantis Ban.

[@llDarkPheonixll]

Just a reminder that the majority of white women voted for chump in 2016 and 2020. Ya'll did this.

[@FionaKelleghan3267]

Voting in 2020: Women voted 56-43 for Biden, while the two candidates were almost tied among men. "Young people are overwhelmingly anti-Trump." -- Trump lost appeal among low-income voters, but gained among voters with incomes over $100,000 a year. -- Trump won about 57% of white votes - with huge state-to-state variations linked to factors such as education and age - and African Americans, Latinos and Asian Americans voted strongly for Biden. -- Trump gained support among Cuban Americans and Venezuelan Americans. Source: The Guardian, "US voter demographics: election 2020" November 5, 2020

[@llDarkPheonixll]

Maybe y'all can do some self reflection together over your avocado toast and mimosa brunch 🙄😒

[@blue-vu1ek]

@@llDarkPheonixllYou do realize that not just women voted for magats? Correct? Males, the ones who are FIGHTING TO ENSLAVE us are also voting for magats. Rich rightwing MALES have paid $billions for this current nightmare. So before slinging your particularly offensive garbage, look at the real culprits. The rich rightwing males.

[@FutureCommentary1]

I thought it was a niche issue. But I'm seeing that 1 in 4 women have an abortion in their lifetime. That does put things in perspective.

[@ReformedRepublican]

I would ask for your sources and follow up by asking the reason for the abortion.

[@heatherpayne1995]

​@@ReformedRepublicanit's not any of your business.

[@ReformedRepublican]

@@heatherpayne1995 If the Republican party wants to ban all abortions (and they do!), it is my business because l have young, female relatives. The Republicans are going after all Civil Rights, not just abortion, including birth control, this disgusting GOVERNMENT MONITORING OF ANY AND ALL WOMEN'S MENSTRUAL PERIODS, which isvsomething youvwould expect in a country with a tyrannical dictator like Putin, where people who disagree with him have a propensity to fall out of 4th floor windows or being poisoned in another country or dying young because they disagree with Putin or in China with Concentration Camps, which Mr. Trump said was a good idea in talks with president Xi, to Mr. Trump's proposal to build 2 huge buildings in the desert Southwest, presumably wired with Hitlers "gas showes" in mind. As a 5th generation American, l have every right to make it my business when an addled old man wants to destroy MY COUNTRY. YOU also have a right to your opinion, but the 1st Amendment's FREEDOM OF SPEECH GIVES ME THE RIGHT (AND DUTY) TO SPEAK OUTCWHEN MY COUNTRY IS THREATENED BY ANYONE, INCLUDING THE TRAITOROUS FORMER PRESIDENT WHOVHAS NEVER WON THECPOPULAR VOTE, WHICH HE LOST TO HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016. His long standing relationship with Putin helped him get elected. Mr. Trump has never won anything LEGITIMATELY IN HIS LIFE, AND THE 2016 election was NO EXCEPTION.

[@d12tu68]

blue states care 🟦🟦🟦

[@bilbob7624]

Don't Murder Your Children.

[@philthai99]

Vote Blue always.

[@telmagarcia4620]

Harris Florida desantis crueles

[@arcticgoddess]

ROEvember is coming, and Republicans are going.

[@williamblake827]

Abortion distopia, now that’s an idea. Gov Noem says: My puppy my choice.😂

[@CherylStyles-kz7yz]

If a female chooses Not to have children and there are some out there would it be illegal to have her tubes tied or a hysterectomy ! Not sure where the Law will ly on a women's body ? Would like to know

[@CortexNewsService]

That's true in some places. It used to be a woman had to get permission from her husband for a ligation or hysterectomy. I don't know if that's still true in the US.

[@kated3165]

They certainly will make it illegal. They are going after all forms of contraception next... its in their plan!

[@notaninfodump5929]

Most of the time, even if hysterectomy’s are legal however, providers will turn you away if you don’t already have multiple kids, too young, or complications involving your uterus as you are not seen as capable of making that decision unless those requirements are met.

[@ronkirk5099]

We all know what the end game is for the MAGA GQP - United States of Gilead.

[@user-ho9vg6ry1v]

Sperm rights?

[@ZEEZob]

Ova rights? One by itself is fine. Both together create a human life.

[@gregpresley1466]

I thank God for Florida!🙏♥️ ....Babies deserve to live.

[@ProJock]

Trump abortion bans? 🙄

[@GGable]

Well my first comment was deleted of course but,We have a federal system it has a limited very limited by the Constitution federal government that protects our god-given inalienable rights. Everything that is not a god-given inalienable right as recognized in the constitution is left to the states to regulate that's our system.

[@robinhood20253]

No rights are given by imaginary beings, all our rights are created by the law.

[@robinhood20253]

So you think your right to own a firearm is inalienable , but not bodily autonomy?

[@GGable]

@@robinhood20253 okay I said God not meaning a particular god let's call it nature natural rights

[@GGable]

@@robinhood20253 can you guarantee me that the US government will never become tyrannical? You cannot our ability to be able to defend ourselves against our government is crucial that's why it's the second amendment yes it is a natural right to be able to be free from a tyrannical government and sometimes that means you have to fight.

[@robinhood20253]

@@GGable what is more tyrannical than the government controlling women's reproduction ? I say all women must arm themselves , and vote Republicans out.

[@lamars2486]

THE FETUS WILL REQUIRE A LAWYER NEXT, and the female will have to pay for its due process ... how's clean coal working out for yall now??? 😂😂😂

[@flashgordon6752]

States rights...keep the D.C. clown show out of it!

[@bjarkiengelsson]

State rights end where women begin. Keepnyour grubby politician hands our of their pants

[@bobbyfartz5591]

Gaza is being slaughtered

[@ius1141]

only a small amount women can leave do not think your simply going to get away will not let you leave your going to learn what happens you will have nowhere to run to trust me what must be done is clear do not resist

[@scottcharney1091]

*you're

[@kated3165]

@@scottcharney1091 Have you seen the state of public schools? They are purposely starving them of funding to death.

[@gab4690]

What about all the pregnant men?

[@ZEEZob]

Get them in the Guinness book asap

[@bruceneu8588]

They would be under the same restrictions as pregnant women.

[@GGable]

😂 nobody wants to monitor menstrual cycles this channel gets further and further away from reality literally every day

[@bjarkiengelsson]

Except that's literally what GOP wants. Nice job.

[@GGable]

@@bjarkiengelsson what Republicans said that?

[@mariahazcueta3621]

@@GGableTrump stated he was in favor of monitoring menstrual cycles. Doesn’t mean it’ll happen, but the thought of someone wanting to do that is unnerving 😊

[@GGable]

@@mariahazcueta3621 keep up with it pretty closely and I never heard Trump say that

[@private-local-enemy]

@@mariahazcueta3621 "'The states are going to make those decisions,' Trump told Time Trump did discuss abortion policy in an April 12 interview for a Time magazine cover story, but he did not say what the social media post claims. When asked whether states should monitor women’s pregnancies to determine if they are in compliance with abortion laws, Trump said states “might do that” but that it was a decision the states would be permitted to make themselves, according to the magazine's interview transcript. He avoided answering whether he would be comfortable with states prosecuting women who get abortions after the time period their states' laws allow. “The states are going to say,” Trump said. “It’s irrelevant whether I’m comfortable or not. It’s totally irrelevant, because the states are going to make those decisions.”" which is still scummy and i don't understand your shitshow country. why not just make every state its own country if they're all going to be so different?? anyway please do your side a favor and at least fact check lol

[@sierrabird2460]

The Florida one did not happen under trump lol MAYBE BIDEN SHOULD HAVE CODIFIED RVW

[@wtfisthishandlebulIshit]

He didn't have the majority, and repubIicans can't be trusted to do the right thing.

[@kated3165]

Its all Republican work. Vote Blue or contraception is next...

[@gaelsdottir5046]

Maybe all the lazy complacent politicians in power since 1972 should have codified it. Can you do simple math? That's more than fifty years we had to make this law and keep women safe. We effed around and we found out. Don't blame Biden for fifty years of inertia. And what exactly did YOU do to keep it legal during all that time?

[@private-local-enemy]

@@gaelsdottir5046 i agree but also want to point out that a politician of any sort codifying something that will inevitably get them votes if they let it sit as it is is a silly thing to expect. politicians want votes and power. abortion rights if nothing else are a big blue boon. why would they remove that from contention?

[@t.r.campbell6585]

We are seeing democracy and action and since the Supreme Court rescinded Roe, each state now has the opportunity to take action in dealing with abortion and abortive procedures. We see some states such as California with very progressive abortion, opportunities, and other states we see with very restrictive and draconian abortion laws. We are saying each state drafting their own policy rather than have a federal, ‘one size fits all’ policy. This is pure democracy and action.

[@avishevin1976]

It’s not democratic if people aren’t voting on it. Red states are shutting down ballot initiatives when they can because access to abortion keeps winning.

[@mscheese000]

The phrase is "democracy IN action"...

[@mscheese000]

And no, what's democracy in action is each person being able to decide if abortion is right for them, with nobody else's input but their doctor's.

[@t.r.campbell6585]

@@mscheese000. You are absolutely correct. This was a typo that I missed. Thank you for the correction. Have a nice weekend.

[@t.r.campbell6585]

@@mscheese000. You have failed to point out how this decision is going to affect transgender men. This is a subject that has been largely overlooked.

[@jasonweinstock1282]

Anti abortion rights people and groups claim that they are against women being prosecuted for having abortions.but,if a woman were to get prosecuted for having an abortion,would they be there to bail her out of jail,or at the very least,get her acquitted!?

[@ius1141]

The pater familias was the oldest living male in a household, and could legally exercise autocratic authority over his extended family according to this child support its not the same idea as what we think of it today

[@sayhisnamewhickerfjb]

Abortion videos: 2400 views Trump putting on his shoes: 230,000 views

[@ius1141]

The pater familias was the oldest living male in a household, and could legally exercise autocratic authority over his extended family that is the step in the right direction

[@ius1141]

I want my family that is all I am saying you however want to take it away that is hurtful to me

[@ius1141]

actually its 1 day that when it starts your having a family

[@ius1141]

in Rome women must understand the household procedures and there must be a measure to limit their abuse of power so my suggestion is being more aware of the power of man

[@ius1141]

the Christians have the power to win this battle absolutely let me tell you about the Sabines and what happened to them look in that go ahead its fine we have to do what we have to do

[@ius1141]

so if your the father basically you choose what happens to the children the mother must understand her area that is a good law

[@ius1141]

in Rome the pater familias has control over the rights of the family The pater familias was the oldest living male in a household, and could legally exercise autocratic authority over his extended family

[@ZEEZob]

So what does that principle have to do with women opening their legs up without using protection?

[@susannehartl3067]

Your point?

[@faustinreeder1075]

I gave up caring about the abortion issue. It’s too political, but to help me accept something that I can’t change I’ve just decided to celebrate the fact that abortion gets rid of 500,000 future democrat voters every year.