Potential Resolution of Fermi's Paradox: Wrong Place, Wrong Time

[@whatdamath]

Check out this wonderful sci-fi book from Peter Cawdron featuring a similar idea: amzn.to/3bohrGm

[@flatearthjackal9201]

RESEARCH FLAT EARTH 😁

[@mrricedoesstuff]

well why your doing space you used to do stuff about the body and now space so can you make a video about geography

[@tarjwilkinson8610]

Maybe other civilization's stopped contacting us for our potential to be stupid

[@rmacdougallaliasdogviticus]

@@tarjwilkinson8610 Potential? I'd say we proved it long ago.

[@flatearthjackal9201]

@@tarjwilkinson8610 Google Nikon p900 zoom on star Sirius for some real news

[@greasyhobo_]

Anton is our humble wholesome curator of science phenomena. Praise be Anton

[@scharfelimo]

Anton be praised.

[@petewarner5795]

Creator

[@user-vz7tj4hq8b]

yup

[@chrisszabo8304]

True neutral god

[@fredb2022]

Amen

[@Shifter-1040ST]

Ah, the joy of creating a statistical analysis with a sample size of 1.

[@steppenhenge]

Don't forget to assume that evolution aims for intelligent outward thinking cooperative species ;P

[@damianthijs5113]

@@steppenhenge if a species takes over its planet expansionism is a decent assumption to make

[@kazedcat]

The sample size is the number of earth like planets who have yet to produce a civilization that can colonized the galaxy. The reason for the failure to colonize does not matter. You have a large number of planets that can potentially produce life you need to multiply it with a number that will give you the condition you can observe that is the number of galaxy spanning civilization is zero.

[@rocktim9680]

@@kazedcat the biggest assumption here is we think we understand the conditions required for life to exist on a planet. We do not completely know how life itself started on Earth, how the first organic particles formed.

[@derianvandalsen]

df=0

[@fl2660]

Fermi: I think all the intelligent life in the universe self-annihilate. Visitor: That's depressing. What kind of work do you do? Fermi: I build nuclear bombs. Visitor: I think I see a trend here.

[@comet.x]

*hmmm*

[@madshorn5826]

A less sinister explanation than extinction could be that space travel is too resource intensive to pursue. We already have the theoretical framework for sending probes to other planets, but the economy of pursuing these plans is prohibitive. Maybe the level of technology needed to explore space beyond a solar system necessitate a civilisation so complex that a single solar system has too few resources? Global overshoot day is in July already and we can't even send a glorified handkerchief (Project StarWhisp) to another star yet. Theoretically a global authoritarian rule might will an interstellar probe into existence by suppression and genocide, but I doubt they could nurture the creativity needed. After all no ground breaking technology has ever emerged from North Korea or Kmehr Rouge. And what would be the point? Vanity of the leaders, sure, but would that be enough to prevent mutiny when push comes to shove? When anyone ditching the lofty dreams could grab power for themselves by making the life of most people just a trifle better?

[@BowTie8Bit]

It wasn't Fermi who postulated self-annihilation. It was a conjecture of the paper referenced in the video.

[@hrthrhs]

Wait wait, who the hell is this visitor and where are they from?

[@kelciheit]

@@madshorn5826 I mean, if it takes +1000 years to get to the closest solar system, and 1.5 years to send a simple message back and forth... You can’t really make a solar community :(

[@danielplainview1]

So what you’re saying is “a long time ago in a galaxy sector far, far away...”

[@nicosoftnt]

Darth Vader said, aim at the planet and shoot the ray

[@catsmack8690]

We aint even got FTL for the next beacon yet lmao

[@STriderFIN77]

@@nicosoftnt yes,

[@freedragon3050]

Dude were basically Tatooine! I mean I'm positive we'll look like it in the not too distant future!

[@danielplainview1]

@@freedragon3050 I fear we’re more Dagobah

[@regu6582]

" Is there anybody out there ?" Pink Floyd November 30, 1979.

[@cosmicprison9819]

"Is there anybody out there? Anyone that's loved in vain Anyone that feels the same" - Bryan Adams, 1998

[@regu6582]

@@cosmicprison9819 Nice.

[@nielsssg]

half a century ago

[@Baychimo]

"Yes, Jimmy is shitting in the garden" Me November 30, 1979.

[@tonyincs]

..this thread

[@yehoshua77]

Creatures living 5 miles under the ocean: “If there are technologically advanced creatures from above, where are they all?”

[@fredb2022]

Very possible living in colonies underwater. Why not? What better place to hide out? And, there have sightings.

[@katastrofskyy]

@@fredb2022 how is it very possible? Creatures that could ask this question 5 miles deep in a dark, cold, ultra high pressure ocean. Are u familiar with basic physics and biology?

[@evbbjones7]

@BenjaminTheRogue Seems like a bit of a stretch. How does a deep sea creature know the difference between a mud bank and a sunken oil rig in a world of bioluminescence? Can we even assume they would know technology if they saw it?

[@3nthamornin]

@@evbbjones7 He obviously isn't speaking literally. The point is that humans create massive amounts of litter that end up in our oceans.

[@evbbjones7]

@@3nthamornin I don't know why you're clarifying, that was never a point of contention. The question is, would deep sea species even know? You might see a sunken ship as 'litter', hundreds of thousands of species see it as habitable structure.

[@teteteteta2548]

The more time passes, the more the onion article: scientists find that earth located in lamest sector in the universe

[@sortof3337]

i bet the future will be like hitchikers guide to galaxy. too bad we will be dead

[@johnwilkens6758]

Well. That explains MY life!!

[@thijsjong]

@gillysuit2 existential crisis. We dont have to do anything. Everything imaginable taken care of.

[@PigeonLaughter01]

I find it hard to take studies like this seriously tho, trying to answer the question "Where are all the E.T.'s?" while ignoring all the footage and statements from military, government, and civilian personnel on E.T. aircraft that has a massed over decades. I know it's not the kind of stuff you can put in a peer reviewed paper, but It's starting from a false presumption in the first place.

[@fredb2022]

@@PigeonLaughter01 good point. You can study this stuff to death, but we have been visited and some have been abducted. For them, it is not an intellectual question; it is real...like the Allagash Weiner Twins, Betty and Barney Hill and Travis Walton.

[@maxkronader5225]

With a sample set of one, any speculation about civilizations throughout the universe must necessarily make a LOT of assumptions.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Indeed the sample set may BE ... one.

[@photios4779]

Of course. That's why speculations like these are more on the philosophical than the scientific side. But philosophy is still a worthwhile endeavor because it's intellectually healthy to ponder our place in the universe and ask these kinds of important questions, even if our current state of knowledge and our sample size of one makes them unanswerable. At the very least, talking about whether aliens exist gets young people interested in science, and that's a good thing!

[@kicapanmanis1060]

Um yes, we all know that, including the scientists making these.

[@Disillusioned_JELly]

Indeed. It would be much safer to make the assumption that all civilizations self-annihilate if even one civilization in our sample set had done that.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@Disillusioned_JELly Global civilization. Earth doesn't have that.

[@SenorSnoopy]

That book recommendation was great. I read the entire book in one sitting. It was a great story.

[@Gimilli]

Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying. - Arthur C. Clarke

[@perpetualpunster]

Star Trek was a post-apocalyptic story. In that universe, humanity barely survived self-annihilation before heading out into the stars.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

True. People don't pay attention to that bit. Lol

[@marcoflumino]

true but they survived, and when those scientists say civilizations that they not destroy them self, that mean complete destroy, that means no one will survive, so star trek is a surviving civilization...

[@velnz5475]

Not necessarily post-apocalyptic, it explores it much more like a world war. Thus the eugenics wars in the 90s where of course khan noonien singh takes over a 1/4th of the planet with genetically modified humans and the unknown ever changing date of a nuclear scale world war 3. Now its never specifically stated but it seems they didnt detonate it to full MAD levels since we see just 10 years (supposedly) later in the movie first contact humans are doing just fine and the world is not a nuclear wasteland. To say it was ever even close to self-annihilation is a tremendous disservice to what MAD would do.

[@TechnoMinarchist]

It's more accurate to say that it's a post dark ages story. Or post post apocalyptic story. The time prior to Vulcans arriving is more appropriately referred to as the post apocalyptic era.

[@paulr9562]

According to trek humanity was seeded by a race that was alone and then died out, so you are right.

[@sicfxmusic]

Me: Where are the aliens? Alien standing behind me in fifth dimension: LOL

[@Itaketoomanypics]

Now That’s real life

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

No, stop with extra dimension stuff. You sound stupid. You have no evidence.

[@sicfxmusic]

@@NeverTalkToCops1 You are a scared little girl.... even to take a joke 🤣🔥

[@Itaketoomanypics]

Someone has never tried DMT lol

[@stephentorres1444]

Planet Earth: Rolling nothing but 7s for 4 billion years in a row

[@STEVENFRYFRY]

Maybe not 7s straight but always making point

[@masonb9788]

Pretty much.

[@andywomack3414]

Given enough time, any highly improbable event becomes inevitable. The universe has resources virtually unlimited. We are the players, our resources are finite. Eventually enough snake-eyes will show up to to wipe us out. I think that inevitable as well. And it might not take all that many snake-eyes. They may even be looking at us now.

[@JOhnDoe-nl4wj]

when suddenly, 2 billion years ago NATURAL 20!

[@bradleyvrooman1801]

Gotta give credit to big daddy Jupiter for the protection.

[@adoringfan1226]

radio emission seems like the galactic version of a message in a bottle

[@Lukr4tive1008]

Until you realise that after a good while of travelling through the empty vacuum of space these radio emissions tend to get distorted and become a bunch of nonsensical noise similar to the radio emissions from a lot of other stars around the galaxy and ends up looking nothing like a message that could be decrypted by another civilization unbelievably lucky enough to receive it given how slow they travel through space in a galactic scale, we could probably annihilate ourselves after sending tons of radio emissions everywhere in the galaxy and most likely no one would ever know we ever existed. TL;DR: We die after sending message that doesn’t get received and no one knows a thing.

[@adoringfan1226]

​@@Lukr4tive1008 that's my point. what are your chances of finding a message in a bottle. next to zero

[@borismedved835]

@@adoringfan1226 If the bottle is aimed at somebody and has an unobstructed path, it's a lot more likely -- and a year of radio signals from a planet is aimed at everybody.

[@adoringfan1226]

@@borismedved835 you guys are really nuking this

[@joeflosion]

great username my n'wah

[@miguelnascimento2847]

The feeling of being here after many civilizations have perished is similar to the feel you get playing Dark Souls, just start to exist in the crumbles of a once great kingdom you know nothing about

[@Sjowmalf]

Or playing Runescape in the 2020s

[@Izzmonster]

Yeah, the feeling of it all being a fantasy

[@Congruesome]

Simulations. What are you gonna do?

[@imocchidoro]

I can't help but think there are aliens looking up in the sky and saying "Where is everyone?"

[@fredb2022]

Absolutely. Thinking is one thing. Travel is another.

[@CarlJones14]

I can't help but think aliens are looking into sky and saying: "Looks like Earth is being blocked again, praise save us all."

[@planescaped]

There inevitably are other lifeforms out there. I just think they, like us, are trapped in their solar system. Wormholes, hyperspace, FTL... we've learned enough to know that it's more science fantasy than science fiction.

[@haraldhimmel5687]

@@planescaped Once you colonized a few systems the chance for all of them just getting "wiped out" drops significantly and you don't need FTL to eventually colonize the entire milkyway within a couple of million years. So either every single civilization wipes itself out on their home planet or they for some reason decided never ever to expand, even after millenia of living in insanely advanced times.

[@18Darkside]

@@haraldhimmel5687 Empires fall apart when they spread too far.

[@genos4u]

Humans: Didn't even travel to any other planet in their own solar system. Also Humans: wHeRE iS eVerYoNe?

[@fastintegra]

Do you want us to go to mercury or venus? Lmao such a dumb comment

[@PolarBear-rc4ks]

@@fastintegra you better look in the mirror for that one bro

[@camplays487]

@@fastintegra chill out this is a peaceful community. I’m sure he just meant we’re getting ahead of ourselves, just beginning to understand our place in the cosmos/improve society and we immediately & collectively ask, where’s everybody at?

[@user-pc7ef5sb6x]

We're a young species. We'll get to travel, but I don't think we'll find any other civilization at all. Massive disappointment is coming.

[@AxionSmurf]

Exactly. We don't know s**t.

[@g.k.1669]

If we could convert the message "FREE BEER" into a numerical universally understandable sequence and transmit it towards multiple locations in the galaxy, perhaps we could get visitors?

[@oznerriznick2474]

Yeah..and provide them with entertainment like Darwin Award stuff like eating ghost peppers and jumping out of the back of a pickup into a large cactus. Those distinct human qualites will definitely attract highly advanced intergalactic civilizations..😃

[@derederekat9051]

don't know if aliens will like to eat the byproduct of microorganism.

[@pm1783]

Electromagnetic signals “only” travel the speed of light which, considering the distances between galaxies, will not reach anyone for many, many, many years. That’s also if the recipient of our message is in the right place and has the capability to distinguish our very weak transmitted signal from background noise. But, yeah, free beer would be good to send. 😄

[@alejandrocombat]

Give this man a Nobel prize 😂😂😂

[@Wertsir]

You’re not nearly cool enough to be intergalactic drinking buddies. Have you ever even left your solar system?

[@miklov]

I look forward to when we reach the "somewhat intelligent" stage.

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

You and me both. You humans are taking your sweet time

[@IcECreAm-sv2qv]

@@dissonanceparadiddle “You humans”? lol

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

@@IcECreAm-sv2qv 😉🧚

[@buzzsaw838]

You mightn't have to wait that long, I fear (*The reverse-Flynn effect has entered the chat* )

[@howmason5522]

If you can type and read but still don't understand that you are already somewhat intelligent and the people who designed and coded your device are brilliant you'll never reach that stage. Is that an intelligent enough response to this idiot test you just posted?

[@readhistory2023]

''Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not - Both are equally terrifying'' The above quote was made by Arthur C Clarke

[@baze3541]

OMG yea

[@Cactusfruitsquisher]

I personally don't find it that particularly terrifying or bothersome. I don't know how to explain the way I feel about it other than I don't find either possibility bothersome. I'm curious, but its not something that worries me enough to feel anything other than neutral.

[@systemspecchecker]

just remember that the chances of us actually "seeing" alien life somewhere is about the same as you looking through your front door's peep hole and trying to find an ant a mile away.

[@SG-tx1fz]

Pretty much

[@jonnybeware6598]

We wouldn’t dip a tablespoon of water out the Pacific Ocean and conclude there is no sentient sea-life there. It’s beyond our tablespoon-technology to determine. I’ve never understood why people are so baffled.

[@aurin_komak]

@@jonnybeware6598 there's no life in the ocean, because the fish self annihilated

[@ryanrobison8973]

The fish self-annihilated because one of them built a turbo-death machine 9000 and then got super emo about it. Look at the teaspoon, there’s nothing!! We are doomed!!!

[@Big_Tex]

It’s a cosmic law that intelligent species develop Reddit and Twitter and then almost immediately self-annihilate.

[@sheldoniusRex]

They/we deserve it.

[@NeverForgetNasa]

It always amazes me how great you work out and explain every single topic. Just wow. And besides, if more people were like you, we wouldn't one day annihilate ourselves. Greetings from Germany. Stay wonderful!

[@garlicbread191]

Alien in the thumbnail standing like ""Anton, mom said it's my turn on the Xbox"

[@joat9105]

of x

[@Splatterbrain7]

Good ass comment ngl

[@Menaceblue3]

👽: "Ayylmao!"

[@craigmooring2091]

I've heard this sort of explanation in a different form before. However my opinion is that the Fermi paradox is a false Paradox, based on faulty, questionable assumptions itself.

[@AltCutTV]

"You will know others like you know yourself." ? There is probably some supportting logic to the inevitable destructiion of the paradox concept though. Evolution without strife is not needed, and strife tends to lead to conflict in all other specieas as well, (on this planet) so without evolution there will not be any space traveling species.

[@Boogaboioringale]

Definitely. We assume we can actually find it when we can’t even find microbes on Mars. We assume we will actually know what intelligent life is. We assume they actually care about us (if they even know).

[@daddyd0c]

All paradoxes are founded in faulty logic or data.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@Boogaboioringale Not to mention we've only had the technology to even TRY to look for this stuff for about 50-60 years which is absolutely tiny compared to any relevant time scales in the universe including our own civilization. the fact that *_I_* was around for almost HALF of the time we've been able to really look for this stuff, kind of shows how faulty and silly it is to try and draw conclusions to something we barely understand.

[@psionicinversion]

@@Boogaboioringale its not like we've scoured mars hahaha. very tiny amount of the planet, almost insignificant. might need to go drill into the ice in the poles where might have it frozen

[@devinfaux6987]

This just means we have lots of ancient alien ruins out there to discover!

[@rodriguezelfeliz4623]

Yes. I prefer finding ruins and not actual aliens. That would be world shattering

[@onepieceofpie9311]

@@rodriguezelfeliz4623 and fruits that’s grow on other planets that we never even tried but it’s the best fruit ever

[@wandercruz3502]

If their planet doesn't have vanished by this point

[@JOhnDoe-nl4wj]

@@wandercruz3502 Not only their planets, their suns are almost all extinguished by now. 3-5 billion years is no timeframe any planet bound structure would survive, maintained or not. Only hope would be some self replicating structure orbiting a blackhole or younger star.

[@zippyparakeet1074]

I don't think there are gonna be any ruins after 5 billion. Hell, even their planet must've ceased to exist by this point.

[@barrylucas8679]

Always remember, all of this is just speculation upon speculation upon speculation. Adding up a thousand zeros still equals zero.

[@aquariandawn4750]

We're the Jehovas Witnesses of outer space. Whenever we send out a signal, aliens be like : Shhhh! It's the humans, they'll hear us!

[@velnz5475]

as entertaining as that would be we would at least see their lights on ;)

[@lulzywizard7576]

@@velnz5475 nahhh, would probably be near completely eclipsed by the light coming off their star

[@aquariandawn4750]

@@velnz5475 cosmic curtains, found at Solaris Mart, aisle 42......Shop smart, shop S Mart.

[@jamesfitzgerald1021]

@@aquariandawn4750 Ash fighting alien Deadites in a space supermarket i would buy that for a dollar.

[@aquariandawn4750]

@@jamesfitzgerald1021 hail to the king, baby

[@raziasrazias7761]

I think interstellar travel is not a precise science. We are still learning about star winds effects on the voyagers.

[@graymatters7584]

Maybe the others are smart enough to keep quiet. This might be a very unfriendly universe.

[@fredb2022]

That’s a very real possibility

[@MrJay_White]

"The universe hates you and will take away everything you love, laughing while it does so."

[@craigwall9536]

Or maybe they just aren't so co-dependent that they get anxious if they can't find anyone to talk to.

[@lennarthomas]

And that’s a very scary thought to think. There are nice civilizations and very evil ones and we definitely don’t wanna find the scary ones.

[@GodwynDi]

@@lennarthomas Better to be the scary ones

[@crono3339]

Person: Where is everybody?!. Hits dmt pipe and waits 11 seconds, Oh THERE YALL ARE!

[@NullScar]

Send me some of that tree roots so I can make some dmt please, the darkness is catching up to me.

[@RoastHardy]

Feel free to take another hit but make sure not to self destruct

[@bueb8674]

Now that's what I'm talking about

[@jeremysart]

All the beings who travelled inward rather than outwards. Maybe that is the true path.

[@vishishify]

Joe Rogan? Is that you?

[@tripleplonk]

Being nice to each other seems to be a good strategy.

[@EpicMathTime]

From what I can tell, any civilization that develops an internet on their planet is doomed to destroy itself.

[@taravati181]

it all starts with twitter

[@deanlawson6880]

@@taravati181 AGree, it's all that idiot Jack Dorsey's fault!!

[@fredb2022]

That’s good. We’re well on our way,

[@themarchoftime3691]

It Easily allows for stupidity to arrive in massive amounts

[@joakimedholm128]

i think the internet brings us closer as a unified specie. we can realize that were not so different from one another:)

[@thomaseriksson6256]

When I took courses in astronomy the assumption was that you have to have metallic material in the stars to produce earth like planets. That is possibly only the last 7 billon years. Also if too close to the centre of the galaxy you have too much radiation and UV, to close to active galactic nucleus. So 273 is a good place to bee. Farther out there is less of metallic materials in the stars.

[@denvan3143]

So: the combination of the need for an optimal position in a spiral galaxy (a globular galaxy produces too much radiation) plus a _stable_ G type star and an earth type planet in a circular orbit in the habitable zone plus a moon produced by an improbable giant impactor event plus the rarity of phosphorus in the universe does not favor the existence of extra terrestrial civilizations. According to the evidence at hand we may be all there is.

[@thomaseriksson6256]

@@denvan3143 what circuolar orbit?

[@denvan3143]

@@thomaseriksson6256 The eccentricity of Earth’s orbit around the sun is 0.017. That’s pretty circular. By comparison Mercury is 0.206. There are exoplanets about the size of the earth whose orbits take them closer to their stars than mercury is to our Sun and also far out beyond a habitable zone.

[@thomaseriksson6256]

@@denvan3143 Check the concept of Galactic habitable zone. Type F, G, K stars (single not multiple stars) are most probable source of life. Not to elliptic orbits of planets is preferable. Life uses a lot of metal in its processes and its difficult to create life from only H, He and Li. Starts are to close in the centre of the galaxy and therefore less distance between stars and less protection from radiation when going super nova, FRB and so on. Some simulation suggest some red dwarf stars can support life if protected by water.

[@etheralwizard]

Our technology has surpassed our wisdom. Hopefully at some point our wisdom catches up.

[@junevivali1548]

🎯

[@kittywampusdrums4963]

Yea. There's some interesting spiritual traditions springing up nowadays that are bringing all the ancient wisdom back to light. Check out Drukama.

[@TheCopelandr]

I feel as though our technology has always surpassed the wisdom of many members of our civilization. As far back as technology goes, people have used it for bad things.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Designer babies moment?

[@zennyblades]

Working on it.

[@-castradomis-1773]

I can't even fathom how advanced a civilization that managed to survive for 500 million years must be.

[@twistedmettle5366]

Would be pretty cool if one day they just *poof* “omg we finally made it I have to wee so bad! Oh btw here’s the formula to solve all life’s problems including never dying of old age! Ok we’re off to find the next remote civilization before they go extinct byyyyeee”

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Unlikely

[@migram4190]

42

[@nicolascuenca9252]

@@twistedmettle5366 that would be dope, but I still think death is a required process to complete the journey of being human.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@nicolascuenca9252 I don't

[@AceSpadeThePikachu]

"Hello existential nihilism my old friiiieeeend!"

[@jamjam8438]

I wrote a paper based on English titled something along those lines. I really didn't know what I was talking about but I was given a pass. Shakespeare and Williams were very hard to learn.

[@stephanweinberger]

@Ace Existential *an*nihilism, actually...

[@jamjam8438]

@@stephanweinberger that's an inappropriate use of quotation marks. Those are literally used to quote someone's speech then provide some context. Air quotes do not count. And no, asterisks are not part of language. If you want to highlight your argument then just say it.

[@stephanweinberger]

@@jamjam8438 you must be fun at parties...

[@jamjam8438]

@@stephanweinberger let me know when I'm at one.

[@dawnsheppard8379]

Reading Kindle version of Wherever Seeds May Fall (First Contact) now. Can’t put it down. Guess I’ll be reading all night.

[@whizzywoo582]

I love the way we assume every other species out there is going to be as short sighted as us!

[@azmanabdula]

Or assume they are smarter than us Assumptions right?

[@starlitshadows]

@@azmanabdula More than likely a bit of both. How often that occurs though who knows. I would also think that life may not evolve at the same exact rate or in the exact same way we have as well.

[@chistinelane]

Or that they think anything like us. We are a unique product of our complex history. You can't expect aliens to act like primates. They might not even have math, they may have another system of understanding the universe

[@azmanabdula]

@@chistinelane It would be their form of Maths there would be some connection Good luck trying to be the decoder on that job

[@azmanabdula]

@I AM IMMUNIA!!! "Evolution favours short-sightedness" You mean as a whole? As in, We were almost wiped out because of our evolution WIthout planning what are we as a species?

[@azmanabdula]

In a billion years after we have seeded many planets Like star trek these species will be humanoid and wonder why everyone looks the same

[@ulrichenevoldsen8371]

Will they also speak English like all the humans in Stargate? :)

[@dna3930]

@@ulrichenevoldsen8371 beat me to it.

[@SquirrelASMR]

@@ulrichenevoldsen8371 yes, except for the jaffa warriors when they want to act cool

[@ulrichenevoldsen8371]

@@SquirrelASMR lol yea

[@jamjam8438]

"Human form" is very efficient. So why not?

[@jesipohl6717]

"where is everyone" while making massive bombs from which nothing can likely be protected...gee I don't know, maybe as far away as possible.

[@aegisgfx]

So I'm pretty sure alien weaponry would go way Beyond the tiny bombs we've created. My guess is that alien species that encounter each other get into wars which result in the complete extermination of both sides because of how advanced their weaponry must be. that in my opinion is the most likely answer to why we can't find anyone out in space.

[@jesipohl6717]

@@aegisgfx sure. My solution's just a bit more parsimonious than yours and maybe a bit less than we are far from each other.

[@SshadowOnTheSunN]

Or another equally plausible argument would be that they are in theyre infancy and not advanced s a civilization yet. Like the beginning of mankind.

[@SshadowOnTheSunN]

Those "tiny" bombs have the ability to completely wipe mankind off the face of this planet and put this planet into a nuclear winter. They could either be more advanced or not even be entirely human like Neanderthals were here.

[@jesipohl6717]

@@SshadowOnTheSunN I totally get the "advanced" argument, but it's really not probable that anything short of a larger explosion can protect against something like a nuclear fueled blast, which would be kind of pointless in terms of protection. We have a pretty good idea about things like equal-opposite reactions you know, that's not something that looks like it's gonna change anytime soon.

[@seanspartan2023]

If life is rare and the life cycle of most civilizations is short, we're unlikely to see another advanced civilization within our lifetimes.

[@fredb2022]

Hard to argue with that. A very real possibility

[@MattExzy]

I'm increasingly liking the 'rare Earth' idea. When you think about all the things that have to be right - from temperature, atmosphere, to having a planet like Jupiter that moved into the closer orbits and then move out, sucking up the left over debris from the formation of the solar system on its way back out, to the moon driving tides/erosion, to needing active tectonics, to be away from exploding supernova, infrequent asteroid strikes, variable climate, axial tilt, right mass and gravity to keep the atmosphere down, large amounts of water delivered by asteroids, a sun with a strong heliopause to shield cosmic radiation, an active inner core to drive the magnetosphere to shield against the sun's radiation itself.... urgh.

[@Haeman89]

But what constitutes "rare"when dealing with astronomical numbers, like the aproximate of star systems in the known universe? Even one in a billion seems like there should be more than a few.

[@fredb2022]

@@Haeman89 @Sean Spartan it is not a numbers game. Some have “discovered us” and have visited us: others not or no interest or no capability to reach us via travel or radio wave.

[@stefankral1264]

What an ironic answer to the Fermi paradox - considering Fermi’s role in the discovery of a fast track to total annihilation.

[@TheVigilante2000]

How can anyone predict how long a 'Civilization' can continue? Once a civ becomes technological enough to spread way out, it would seem like it would never stop 'continuing'. All it takes is one.

[@JosePineda-cy6om]

ALL civilizations on Earth have crumbled eventually, no matter how much they expanded thru colonization or conquest. Just like all species eventually go extinct, no matter how dominant in their high times.

[@TheVigilante2000]

@@JosePineda-cy6om It depend on how you define a civilization. The Roman Empire is gone, but there are descendent (people, culture, language, technology, etc.), not all species go extinct, many evolve into something different.

[@JosePineda-cy6om]

@@TheVigilante2000 Modern Italians, French, Spanish, etc. are WAAAAY different in their mindset, political organization, values hierarchy, and in general Weltanschaung from Romans' ones. Modern Egyptians are incredibly different from their ancestors, mentally speaking. And so on - from current long-lasting civilizations only modern Chinese could claim to still be kinda similar to their ancient counterparts, and they'd have a point, but still they're very different from them and will naturally drift further away over time. Likewise with living species: the moment a proto-mammal stopped being a rodent-like creature to become a proto-simian, that creature is extinct, period. why? Because the body plan, the ecological function it served, etc. it's all gone, replaced by something different. Think Aristotle's essential vs accidental characteristics - once the essence of a culture is gone, the civilization is gone, even though parts of it may survive in the descendant's culture

[@TheVigilante2000]

@@JosePineda-cy6om Yeah, that is my point. Civilizations don't really become extinct, they evolve (or are replaced). One civilization could completely destroyed another, but it would be replaced, merged, or evolved into something else. Genetic Evolution does not work the way you describe. You can and do have a descendent species living side by side with its progenitor. The progenitor species will survive if conditions are acceptable. Species don't just dwindle and disappear like elves. They are replaced (or the planet is externally sterilized).

[@kelciheit]

Ok, but you’re underestimating the size of space. To just get to our neighbor solar system at the speed of light would take over a year. As far as we know, the speed of light is the absolute limit, and unobtainable. Which realistically means the journey will take +100 years at 1% the speed of light. Not to mention that communication as we know would be back to medieval standards as it would take over a year to get ANY message across the abyss.

[@onyx9954]

Although this is all pretty depressing it’s also fascinating to think that we might discover that Oumuamua or a similar object is a probe that might be a billions of year old artifact from an ultra-ancient civilization

[@holamilambo8228]

I’m confused, why do people think an asteroid is an alien probe. Who reached that conclusion? No offense but isn’t that a stretch?

[@TheMastreek]

@Vadim VeeVoit no

[@onyx9954]

@@holamilambo8228 Look into the process of them finding it, it has an extremely peculiar shape for an asteroid and in addition to that displayed some unnatural flight paths. I don't personally believe it is of alien origin but it has come from deep space and convinced many experts at first that this might just be some form of first contact, although it hasn't proven to be since it's discovery except for being super weird

[@quite1enough]

sadly, we don't have any stat data from other civilizations outside of Earth, therefore this kind of studies while being extremely entertaining, is just a mental gymnastics

[@robertschlesinger1342]

Very interesting and worthwhile video. Many thanks for the link to the paper.

[@jacobhess3n327]

This had always been my interpretation of the fermi paradox

[@DandaNgsan]

If I was to make a wild guess. All alien races live by the prime directive like in star trek. All space fairing races only talk to other space-faring races. Maybe they are waiting for us to join them in stars on our own.

[@jamjam8438]

Maybe they've learned to just leave others alone. Don't assume everyone wants to chat.

[@mgmartin51]

Many youtubers begin their videos with “Hey, guys! What’s up?” Annoying. When Anton says “Hello, wonderful person”, I smile.

[@bobinthewest8559]

"Either they are long gone... or they don't exist yet." Are you saying that it isn't possible that there could be other civilizations out there that are at approximately the same place as we are "developmentally"? That would be a pretty sweeping statement.

[@ianschannel6947]

dont forget humans only became civilized 7 thousand years ago and the galaxy is 13.5 billion years old. the galaxy is so big and old that the chances of another civilization appearing at the same time and living close by are very slim.

[@Debrafeem]

They just mean within contact in our own galaxy. The galaxy doesn't remain habitable forever and we don't live in a hyper young galaxy. The universe is also going to be expanding a lot faster in the future, so galaxy clusters will begin to fade away in the sky

[@secondcomingofbast9908]

The best chance at finding a past, now extinct intelligent extraterrestrial civilization would probably be around a G-Type main sequence star currently near the end of its life cycle, one that has maybe a billion years left (but no more than that) before it enters its red giant phase.

[@Debrafeem]

Lol

[@photios4779]

Yup, an old planet is more likely to contain evidence of present or past advanced life than a younger one that might not yet have reached its peak habitability. But as long as we humans are stuck in this solar system, we're probably not going to be finding any signs of a "now extinct intelligent extraterrestrial civilization" around such a planet. Civilizations that haven't existed for hundreds of millions to a few billion years will probably leave no traces that are detectable to a distant observer here on Earth. I'm well aware that the finite speed of light means we are seeing exoplanets as they existed in the past, but the attenuation of radio signals as they travel through space makes it unlikely we will ever pick up intelligently sent signals from another planet that's more than a few thousand light years away. I don't expect any nearby worlds with a long dead civilization to still be broadcasting powerful signals into space.

[@photios4779]

But speaking about potentially habitable planets orbiting stars around the end of their life cycle, I'm reminded of a very interesting discovery a few years ago. Scientists discovered that a white dwarf star (representing the final stage in the evolution of a main sequence star) was gradually swallowing a rocky planet whose orbit had caused it to spiral inwards. When the debris from this planet swirling around the star was analyzed, it was found to contain large amounts of carbon and calcium. Based on computer modeling, this seemed best explained by assuming the planet's crust consisted of a large amount of limestone. That doesn't conclusively prove the planet once was a living world, but here on Earth, most limestone is created by biochemical processes involving living organisms. I realize this is kind of tangential to your point, but it may be that the first tantalizing hints of extraterrestrial life (albeit perhaps only microbial) come from a dying planet circling a former main sequence star at the end of its life cycle. If you want more information, look up "Limestone World: Exoplanet Around Dying Star Boasts Substance Linked to Life on Earth" on Space(dot)com

[@secondcomingofbast9908]

@@photios4779 The communication signals would have been sent out during the civilization's peak and, depending on their composition, may have been travelling through tbe cosmos for no telling how long. The older the star, the longer the signals may have been out there floating around. They may be on their way here now. A highly advanced civilization would assume that a newborn star like their own might one day harbor intelligent life, also much like their own, and devise a method to send a time capsule like message to us.

[@iloveitall]

This universe must have a gracious and fond creator. He made lightspeed a slug, made the spaces vast and the distances unlikely far and he made sure that civilisations won't make it long. All for the love of his creation.

[@jamiecox1685]

Perhaps light speed is what we know as the speed limit here so far. Maybe we don't see advanced life so much, because they outrun their light, like a plane outruns its sound? I'm sure we are far, far away from figuring out all things in important sciences like physics. A species who's hundreds, thousands or even millions of years beyond humans, would have access to things and information so unimaginable. It and they could be right in front of our eyes, but we are too primitive to notice. Just think, we used to be able to go as far as we could reasonably walk in a lifetime, then travel by animal, then by boat, then by plane, then by rocket propelled systems. Surely the age of exploration is an ongoing thing and we may be in the baby steps of it all. Next step, exploring and inhabiting other bodies, solar systems and possibly even galaxies. We have no idea. But if history and the speed at which our abilities exponentially increase continue, we may see some pretty cool stuff before we die and a few generations from now may be doing the unthinkable. You just never know. So far, progress has been amazing in human history, particularly over the last hundred years or less. No reason to think it is slowing down anytime soon. We may not actually be as far away from other bodies and life as we think we are.

[@kevinfidler6287]

If we can survive long enough as a species to reach our nearest stars. Speciation will play a role in creating new species with distant ancestry to life on Earth.

[@fajaradi1223]

A big IF

[@kellydalstok8900]

In the year 4545, if man is still alive...

[@Kelmire1]

Assuming alien bacteria doesn't wipe out the colonists.

[@rileyrobertson7571]

Even with advanced gene editing tech (artificial) and different colonies with different evolutionary pressures (natural), speciation will probably occur sooner and before we colonize other star systems. This is why I think the belief that all great filters are behind us is ludicrous. We don’t understand how absurd the future could be.

[@PrincipalSkinner3190]

Not convinced by this paper at all, many holes.

[@apollo1573]

Such as? I’m just curious not trying to argue or anything

[@exter9384]

@@apollo1573 The assumtion that live can only exist on earth-like planets/ has to be earth-like. If there are other civillizations it could very well be that they are not even close to live on earth.

[@apollo1573]

@@exter9384 I mean to be fair it makes sense that planets would have to be within the habitable zone of their star. Otherwise it would be hot as fuck or super cold. We could be wrong but water seems extremely essential to life and if water can’t be in liquid form then it seems pretty unlikely that life would be there. It’s not that people are saying it can’t be a non-earth like planet, it’s just that it’s most likely to happen on an earth like planet. There’s billions of them in our galaxy alone.

[@thanesgames9685]

@@exter9384 Chemically, life needs water and hydrocarbons. You just dont get the reversible polymerizations leading to self-catalyzing molecules you need in any other chemical system. its a function of electronegativity and valence, and it just isn't going to work any other way.

[@phapnui]

Mr. Petrov, I am checking out your recommended book. Very inexpensive download to Kindle. Have finished 26% and so far it is a good read and at it's pacing I am sure it will be fascinating to the end. Thank you.

[@timmytheguitarguy]

fits in with The Expanse, again. The ring builders - bilions of years extint

[@arthemis1039]

Yeah but it seems that the Unknown Aggressors are not, and are waking up.

[@RavenLuni]

I'll have to grab myself a copy of that book. As for our civilisation: I think if we revered scientists instead of celebrities, we might have more of a chance.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

Good point

[@Baleur]

I wish people would stop getting this wrong. There is no fermi paradox. Fermi did NOT say "since the universe Should be teeming with life, but there isnt any life, why?" He simply posed a question to his peers as a Challenge for them, by rhetorically asking "if life is everywhere, where are they?". As in literally simply, WHERE are they, and how can we find them? He did NOT intend to suggest "if life is everywhere, why isnt there life anywhere". So the solution to the fermi non-paradox is simply, there IS life everywhere. We just havent found it yet. There is no paradox. The universe ought to be filled with life, and it is, we just have to find it. Done. "Paradox" solved.

[@amitkriit]

"All civilizations have a tendency to self-destruct." - Just an opinion not a fact

[@bloomp7999]

Right

[@arthemis1039]

It is indeed a very pessimistic and ethnocentric point of view. The Cold war stayed cold, and that to me is a proof that humans do not have a tendency to self destruct. Also, on the point of global warming, it is bad luck that CO2 is a green house gas ; on another planet, other civilization could maybe industrialize without theses kinds of effet. Also, as you advance in technology and unlock nuclear power, well that's emissions and toxic gasses fixed for ya, as well as a mean to do real efficient space travel... But it will take time for people to understand that, since the oil and gas lobby are working hard against it

[@duudsuufd]

@@arthemis1039 You probably heard about the US detonating a nuclear bomb in the stratosphere to see what happens, or that the Russians tried to drill the deepest hole. For the nuke, the effect was much stronger then they thought. And for the drilling: they did not get too deep. But imagine it is like pricking a needle in a balloon... IMO these are tendencies to self-destruct.

[@johnroberts8233]

Much more likely, in my opinion, is the tendency for life, at least intelligent life, to go extinct because of natural causes such as planetary impact events (collisions with meteorites and asteroids) and other natural catastrophes (such as climate change).

[@theoldfinalchapters8319]

Rome may have fallen, but the Romans lived on.

[@jeromedarracq]

Some Aliens from the intergalactical council : - "The earthers really wants to see us!" President of the intergalactical council : - "The chimps with the bomb? again? oh shut the f up!"

[@la7era1u54]

I just read an article a few days ago about a study that said the outside of the galaxy was a much better place for life to form than the middle or inside of our galaxy. However, during the last few billion years it has changed and moved from the outside to much closer to the middle/middle-inside section. They were using star type formation and the amount of supernova that could potentially wipe life from planets as factors of how dangerous/hospitable a certain region was/is.

[@iDEATH]

I recall hearing this sort of thing before. Space is vast, time is long, which means the window we are looking through is incredibly small in the grand scheme of things. Even massive interstellar empires could have come and gone before homo sapiens even existed, and we'll likely never know. It's just the simple truth of how small and insignificant we are, and almost any intelligent species before us was.

[@realtombergeron5229]

why would massive space empires fall?

[@iDEATH]

@@realtombergeron5229 Disease is an easy one. It might have to be something special if they could get to that level of technology and couldn't cure it, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. Internal strife as well, perhaps? Both could lead to the beginning of a slow death even for a species that's spread out into the stars.

[@RhodeIslandWildlife]

Thank you wonderful Anton.

[@Mandrak789]

I thought that the galaxy was less hospitable before, when there used to be a lot more activity: supernovas, gamma ray bursts, Sag A* being a quasar etc. Also as we go closer to the center, density of stars dramatically increases and thus the chance for something bad to happen as well.

[@alimohammad1934]

Space time is very slow, so even if the galaxy was very active, it happen very slow that civilization might flourish.

[@1024det]

Astronomy has so many maybes supported by maybes based on maybes. To be honest we have no clue what the galaxy was like billions of years ago.

[@Debrafeem]

@@1024det we know what the galaxy was like, but no clear idea of the likelihood for life let alone a similar type of life to ours.

[@1024det]

@eb f again, we dont know what the galaxy was like. We have a hypothesis based on incomplete observations.

[@Debrafeem]

@@1024det yes we do, unless Sag A* was turned on, it was likely very similar to now. We have a general idea of how galaxies evolve. We have many observations of many galaxies, but of course looking at more will aid us in trying to determine more precisely how galaxies evolve. What we really don't know is the habitability component. It's hard to speak for life, because high radiation environments( like those present with an active galactic nucleus-AGN) are thought to be hostile to life.

[@thedoruk6324]

I think other probable solutions would include that the detection methods are really out of date the advanced civilazations use highly sophisticated borderline undetectable methods as well as the medieval and Stone Age civilazations being undetectable

[@katakana1]

I was wondering why advanced civilizations would make communication less detectable... I just realized it's probably to decrease interference (especially long-distance) and if FTL communication is possible we clearly don't know how to do it yet, thus wouldn't be able to detect those signals

[@MattExzy]

If they're technology evolved along a similar path to ours, if they really wanted to make themselves known, I'd say they'd definitely use plain radio signals - since they'd have to be aware that not everyone would be up to their level yet.

[@thedoruk6324]

@@katakana1 Precisely as well as making any other opponent to detect their communication even space politics will be politics and you simply wont want to marauders to know your routes

[@thedoruk6324]

@@MattExzy I would be suspicious if any advanced civilization genuinely wants to bother with humanity s toxic situation right now to be honest

[@MattExzy]

@@thedoruk6324 Which is interesting, because we're always in a toxic situation :/ I've often thought aliens would be hard pressed to make the distinction between ape and human. We have some cool stuff, but the neuroticism is mostly the same.

[@tonyrome5584]

Excellent analysis Anton. Scientific ego is responsible for many "wrong turns" in science. I had the opportunity to witness it in action when I was a graduate student having been elected to be our representative attending departmental staff meetings. The posturing and politicking on display was self serving in the extreme. My thesis advisor was legitimately the most successful professor there and played "diplomat" among this group of over inflated PhD egos. From private discussions with him I came to the realization that the talent and ability of PhD's basically follows a bell shaped curve: The vast majority are very average; 10% are incompetent (even though they got their doctorate); another 8% are damn good, honest researchers, just not capable of revolutionary thinking; AND maybe only 2% are good at "out-of-the-box" thinking (capable of making true breakthroughs). The least competent are generally responsible for the desperate (sometimes fraudulent) hypothesis which they purport to be science fact (some just don't know how wrong they are...SAD!!). This distribution of competence applies to engineering, medicine and all other professions.

[@loneneotank.5687]

Boi, the most fictional thing in startrek is humans "being nice" lol.

[@zen671]

Yup, which is why the mirror universe is so much fun. It shows how humans would truly act in space lol

[@pflernak]

Makes you wonder what their government does to them to achieve that

[@MuantanamoMobile]

@Carl Stone Yes, because Denmark, Norway and Sweden are such horrible socialist places to live.

[@choonbox]

Scandinavia isnt socialist but like most (all?) European nations have adopted social democracy one way or another.

[@choonbox]

@Carl Stone Social democracy is a form of capitalism which incorporates (some ideals of) socialism to create a welfare state: 'from the cradle to the grave'. Though I can see where you're coming from if you're american, LMAO

[@Drodgers85]

Anton needs to be on lex fridmans podcast!

[@danielmarkleblanc1800]

One of my professor's once told me to never assume or speculate anything. He said, keep your mind open and don't be a know it all, use what you know and always question everything with an open mind. If you close that open door, curiousity will die.

[@focusst273]

We just got to the moon, how could we possibly know!?

[@Greybews]

Exactly, we just started looking around our backyard. And over sudden we think we maybe alone, 🤨

[@malcolmt7883]

@@Greybews Assuming space travel between stars is practical, they should be everywhere.

[@Greybews]

@@malcolmt7883 not really. Space is big, really big. And intelligent aliens capable of traveling between stars few. And perhaps no alien life wants to travel 1000 LY to come just say hello to earth.

[@malcolmt7883]

@@Greybews If even one, interstellar civilizations started millions of years ago, they had time to be everywhere by now. Their existence should be easily visible even if they weren't on Earth.

[@GodwynDi]

@@malcolmt7883 Only if they managed to bypass lightspeed limits. Otherwise, they could be expanding sublight constantly and still not be near us

[@francisco5434]

Every human thinks we're the best and only thing out there, but most of us never managed to even find Waldo.

[@saulgoodman9193]

That's the quote of the day 👍

[@thanesgames9685]

It seems like most humans assume there are gods and aliens better than us that will come and save us from ourselves, or even that make this whole existence thing irrelevant because death is where the real existing starts. Which is a lot easier than getting smart and kind enough to be good to ourselves and this tiny outpost of life.

[@animekingz02]

Oddly enough whenever I write stories regarding Earth and aliens I always have the aliens answer any question about why Earth appears to be alone is by saying that it is literally "out in the frontier" away from one else as you explained basically. It is nice to know an actual scientific paper thinks thinks might actually be the case too. I really find this video very interesting and keep up the good work

[@MyStarPeopleExperiences]

Great explanation from scientific perspective. For those that have encountered ET directly, it's a bit humorous.

[@vectorequilibrium4493]

Sshhh, do not disturb the paradigm. 😁👽☮️❤️

[@nielsssg]

crackheads don't count as aliens

[@deckardcain9789]

"We study a lot of technologies. Some are more foreign than others." - Office of Foreign Technology employee.

[@stevebottrell9154]

Lot of projection going on there, Anton. But as usual, interesting.

[@ChucklesMcGee780]

mr anton, i've been watching your videos for years and am super happy to see you succeeding. keep up the good work brother

[@MuellerX]

Eh, that these civilizations all perished with no trace and without a single one surviving until today doesnt sound logical at all. We cannot comprehend yet whether intergalactic travel is possible for a civilization under the basic physic laws. But interstellar colonialization seems to be relativeley manageable. There are no logical reasons for a species capable of interstellar travel to completeley die out without any remnants who would rebuild the colonies. There are no galaxy spanning sterilization events known to us and coordinated complete self destruction would require the entire species to accept it, which seems impossible with the endless sub-civilizations which would arise in different systems. In my oppinion there are only 2 plausible solutions to the Fermi paradox: a) the others keep no-contact for at least as long as we arent capable of interstellar travel, to allow us to develop our own culture instead of forcing theirs upon us. b) which seems the most likeley to me: we are simply too EARLY. All these predictions for the likelihood of other civilizations have relativeley "limited" parameters. But in actuallity we are talking about complex life forms here. And there are endless parameters and lucky calls which made complex life possible on this planet and we still arent in the clear yet. To name a few: star type, 4 gas planets (OUTSIDE of the hapitable zone) as a protective shield, not too much not too little water, good element composition, moon and so much more. Lets be real here the universe is just 14 billion years old. The sun is about 5. Our home star was arround for 1/3 of the universes life span. Thats a lot considering that the universe and our galaxy was much more chaotic in its beginning. And despite earth being lucky in so many aspects to promote life one of the 5 major mass extinction events was reportedly caused or at least strongly affected by a nearby super nova. Would it have been a bit closer it could have been a sterilization event. That means a nearly "perfect" for life star system which required 1/3 of the universes age until it harbored intelligent life, was nearly sterilized by a super nova. And the other 2/3 of the universes age were much more chaotic than that... we may as well simply be among the firsts

[@QuinSkew]

Another person that agrees.

[@andrewg7878]

When someone types something like this, you end up reading it all and you don't regret it! Ty

[@theoldfinalchapters8319]

On top of that, it doesn't have to be an actual sterilization event. Just mass extinctions set back evolution by millions if not billions of years. Put these events closer together, and intelligent life doesn't happen before the star cooks the planet. If we were not among the firsts in the galaxy, we would know it by now.

[@JustOneFletch]

Just consider the time scales of evolution: billions of years of life until homo sapiens hit the scene, then in a few tens of thousands we went from being just another ape to dominating the entire planetary ecosystem. How much longer until we colonize the entire galaxy? Even if it takes another 100,000 years, that's still a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms. A blink of an eye and every habitable speck of dust in the galaxy will be populated by humans. Every "uninhabitable" speck will be inhabited by transhumans and post humans. The natural evolutionary process will crash to a halt everywhere that we set foot, making it impossible for any new intelligent species to evolve. My guess is that evolution is a winner takes all game. The first civilization to emerge gets the whole galaxy to themselves, if not the whole universe.

[@travischance5332]

Consider another assumption: the observable universe is roughly homogeneous, and the universe beyond the observable universe may continue to be roughly homogeneous and potentially infinite. Considering how rare the formation of intelligent life appears to be, our ability to detect and observe and may never be good enough to reach an other civilization in existence.

[@robertlipka9541]

... which suits me just fine. The lifetime of our local group of galaxies is in the trillions of years. I am surprised papers as described in this video can even be published. The simplest solution to avoid extinction is to spread to other planets and stars. Once humanity exists around several stars, it becomes very hard to kill off... if not impossible. So, options: 1. assume: all civilizations that existed over billions of years killed themselves off, none managed to colonize other planets and stars 2. assume: the chance of intelligent life developing is so small that we are a statistical fluke. Pick one. I am also not sure how stars 5 billions years ago had peak of civilization formation when metallicity of the Galaxy was lower...

[@2nd-place]

Oh, I know for a fact we’re not alone. Some people really have seen things. We just don’t talk about it publicly because of the unfortunate stigma surrounding coming forward to talk about this phenomenon. I didn’t even tell my wife about it until we were married for a while. You see the crazies on TV because they have nothing to lose. And sometimes, thinking back on it, I’ve wondered if I’m a crazy one too. However, my friend saw it with me, and that has kept me grounded in reality. It’s like the curtain is lifted back and you see the world in a completely different way. I’m a well paid web developer who provides health insurance for my family and I don’t need to give my employer a reason to think I shouldn’t be managing a team. People you aren’t close to don’t understand and don’t trust you. Like 99% of the people here reading this. I’ve spoken with a counselor about this, and she said that I would be quite surprised at how many of her clients have seen things, and that based on various consistencies between accounts, she thinks it’s more likely than not that aliens have visited the earth and have interacted with humans. As for my personal view, I do not believe they are here with good intentions. They’re here to manipulate us in various ways. No idea what the end goal is.

[@MegaParrotMan]

Drugs are great aren’t they?

[@markrice41]

In the 2008 movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still", Keanu Reeves, as Klaatu, said, "There are only a handful of planets in the universe that can support complex life. We cannot let you destroy this one". I think this is closer to the truth.

[@bobbobbinson1841]

which honestly kinda silly... With the tech from that movie, the aliens could have engineered an earthlike planet...

[@travisgordonusmc]

I agree, their motivations are self serving. Didn't the aliens destroy earth in that movie? A little of "we destroyed the village in order to save it" b.s.

[@WaterShowsProd]

They remade The Day The Earth Stood Still with Keanu Reeves??? I like Keanu Reeves, but I'm glad I missed that one.

[@markrice41]

@@WaterShowsProd It was so so.

[@digitalsoultech]

And ironically we are destroying our own planet.

[@sonnyburgess2510]

Omuamua if it was like an alien space ship with like dead aliens and we like get all their tech and corpses. Next Sci fi movie right there. Would be dope

[@AltCutTV]

Sounds like some mixed bits from "Superdimension fortress Macross" and "Rama" (AC Clarke)

[@fajaradi1223]

What if it's a galactic fed ex accidentally went through a wrong address?

[@lanwyacaere9274]

Congrats for the authors of that paper. They rediscovered what Stanisław Lem proposed, based on the similar assumptions, like half a century ago. He (Lem) called that theory "Window of contact".

[@WolfgangFeist]

Fully agree: (your last sentence) Let's not selfdestruct!

[@jmalte4702]

I think the Aliens keep us in a safe space (sarcasm) so we cannot mess up beyond earth...

[@travisgordonusmc]

Or they're hiding and scheming against us.

[@stankozubenko8520]

@@travisgordonusmc Maybe both?

[@travisgordonusmc]

@@stankozubenko8520 be more wary of the alien.

[@kirillchegrinko2630]

I've been watching Anton for a couple of years now. I have never seen him make so many hand gestures as he did while pumping his friend's novel. I'm all in.

[@supertor100]

They are already here, ask fighter pilot Commander David Fravor.

[@HellCatt0770]

I think I’m too sceptical sometimes but I’m shocked how some people can ignore the plethora of evidence out there already!

[@duudsuufd]

Written in the reports: "unknown aerial objects which the pilots were unable to identify". That is no proof that the UFO's are alien and even less that there were aliens on board. It is a possibility but that's all.

[@HellCatt0770]

@@duudsuufd and if that was the only credible evidence I’d disregard it. But it’s not. Far from it. The more you look the more you find. Even if you’re super skeptical it all gets too much to ignore.

[@haraldhimmel5687]

@@HellCatt0770 You mean the fact that despite high definition cameras are literally everywhere we only get the same blurry pictures and videos we always did? Also it doesn't help that most well known ufologists are frauds who directly profit financially from people believing their stories. There are a few convincing "documentaries" out there but once you actually start researching them, theire about as legit as "loose change".

[@Tubeman777]

We missed the party but we are safe in our Galactic Suburbia ;-)

[@jeremyd1869]

Well done. The book "Rare Earth" goes into great detail why it is extremely likely that we are alone in the universe. It is completely scientific. It will burst many dreams of a galaxy teeming with intelligent life. Fact is, the chain of events and conditions that led to the evolution of complex life, and eventual intelligence, on Earth were so complex and unlikely that they almost certainly have not been repeated elsewhere.

[@pflernak]

So, who else is hyped about technology advancing so far that a random madman can build a doomsday device in his garage?

[@A.Martin]

they already can. Building nukes is the easy part, getting a hold of enough nuclear material is not as easy. But if you can then you can make a nuke. Might not be a very good nuke, but you should be able to make it go boom.

[@justabitofjunkie2595]

@@A.Martin Absolutely correct. A gun-type nuclear weapon is insanely easy to make. Good luck finding enough U-238 to enrich to U-235 though, plus all the centrifuges and whatnot needed to do so.

[@SteveVi0lence]

We are the planet in the universe that when aliens pass by, they lock their doors

[@sheldoniusRex]

Our solar system is the Martin Luther King Boulevard of the galaxy.

[@Kvuzon]

Yes, ʻOumuamua accelerated away from us...

[@SteveVi0lence]

@@Kvuzon lol so true... It was like... "Yeet!"

[@SteveVi0lence]

@@sheldoniusRex lol the blm blvd

[@SteveVi0lence]

@@sneedmasters pretty much every asian nation hates foreigners...

[@Congruesome]

I just discovered Caedmon and have read several of his excellent books. I will definitely read this one also. Much love.

[@dprphoto]

Great video as usual Anton! You should try reading my Sci-fi book, "I need a miracle!" They are out there but they are not allowed to come here, really.....Oh, there is a second book, also.

[@Undecidedoaf]

Were just not old enough, we have to find them to be apart of the cool kids club

[@rayrous8229]

We're

[@channelbree]

I think our govs know well about who and how many civs are around in the Milky Way and further afield. They might have representatives living on Earth.

[@mikolajtrzeciecki7979]

Yes and in between they just idly watch us die of curable (for their tech) sickesses? With morality like this, I don't want to be in their club.

[@alunantu]

Or maybe we're one of the first and we're too early to see anyone else

[@BobGnarley.]

One of the biggest "roadblocks" to me is just the laws of physics. Let's say we knew exactly where to go, and could travel at the speed of light.. even then we would succumb to entropy before we could ever reach a destination. I think people imagine light speed to be akin to teleportation, when on a galactic scale and especially universal... light speed is not fast at all. So basically in my mind - the only civilizations that will ever do more than maybe send a massively delayed message.. will have to bend the laws of physics.

[@spindoctor6385]

I think the whole endeavour of "solving" the Fermi paradox requires so many un-testable assumptions that it does not belong in the category of science. It is fun to think of and talk about but so many years have gone by and we are still doing little more than guessing.

[@Jack-zt1sr]

Agreed, love the topic of discussion, hate the certainty that the claims are given by some.

[@DimEst19xx]

Yes but deep inside, you know that there must be someone else out there. That's why we should try to make the un-testable, testable basically, even though it can take thousands of years. Regarding the video. I believe that a civilization, when it is on the verge of self destruction οr an extiction event, it would likely try desperately to let someone in the universe know that they existed by any means. Even if they didn't do it before. Maybe by bulding something and sending it into space that contained all of their history, or beaming powerfull signals across the Universe given that they reached a certain level of technology that allowed it that.

[@spindoctor6385]

@@DimEst19xx I dont disagree that we should keep looking, maybe the WOW signal was the tail end of a dying civilisations last ditch attempt to let the universe know they existed. My personal opinion is that technological intelligence is super rare. If I had to bet I would assume life is common but evolution has very little reason to tend towards intelligence and then intelligence does not go towards technology. Intelligence could evolve in a fish or a centipede or a mushroom and they have close to zero chance of making a space probe or radio transmitters. We have had maybe a hundred million species on earth (that is a pure guess) and only 1 that has had any technology and as little as 12000 years ago that number was zero, depending on how you define technology. This is all just my guess, which is as good as anyones at the moment. But ut could be a needle in a haystack in feild full of haystacks in a planet fulk of feilds. I actually hope I am wrong and that some sort of panspermia links us and forces evolution to head in similar directions.

[@newkingjames1757]

This "self annihilation" could be Rene Girard's "Mimetic Crisis". Perhaps it's a Great Filter.

[@ElsieDreamWorld]

Too much imagination, too many assumptions as you said but basically, I think the idea of us being the ‘navel’ of the universe still remains and influences much of our thoughts. Thanks for the book recommendation, Anton, got it just now.

[@thomascopley9591]

Perhaps mature civilizations have realized that there's no way to exceed the speed of light, so they just stay within their own star system.

[@bobjohnson1096]

That would be my guess. Maybe they send frozen members of their species or robots though. That is assuming they guessed correctly someplace that would sustain life.

[@bobjohnson1096]

@mr. creosote they arent portals they will tear you apart on a cellular level. but we are energy so it changes into a different form.

[@brento2750]

More like we are too young, and they are very aware of us, yet watching.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

Exactly....the smarter we become in regards to interacting with things on our own planet even, we have become more and more hands off.....we use robots that look like the animals we are trying to observe, or use hidden cameras.....we also have strict laws preventing us from interacting with other human groups that are considered "off-limits" because their society has not advanced and we don't want to risk being a negative change in their lives..... and that is us with other humans on our own planet.... it would make sense that a group advanced enough in science to travel amongst the stars would also have a hands off policy to prevent messing up the natural order of things.

[@canna-sins]

whom are you kidding??? we humans arent smart we are greedy .. any civilisation watching us would see that and thus consider us unworthy to communicate with .. we fight ourselves to get more land get rich or just cause some babboon says the people in a certain country is to blaim for certain things and we idiot believe it and kill for them ... pah smart lol... not really hahahaha... sorry to burst your bubble but humans are as dumb as they get ... even most animals are smarter then us humans ... just my 2 cts