New Study Suggests 36 Alien Civilizations In The Milky Way, But...

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Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about a new study that tries to find out how many communicating extra terrestrial intelligences there could be around the galaxy and why we don't see them, thus solving the Fermi paradox.
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[@whatdamath]

There is now this cool "calculator" you can try that estimates # of civilizations based on the parameters in the study. Try it here yourself: www.omnicalculator.com/physics/alien-civilization

[@dancingkitty11]

It is ALSO possible that the next level communications technology is a "star Trek" style contact choke point. If you solve that problem we will contact you.

[@MrMalvolio29]

Anton, the Drake equation makes the assumption that advanced civilizations evolve only in the outer bands of the Milky Way, not near the black hole or very active stellar-formation zone at the center of our spiral galaxy. Does it say anything or assume anything about where Terra-like planets could/would evolve in galaxies that do *not* have a spiral structure, such as elliptical, irregular, and barred spiral galaxies? I realise that using radio waves, the distances involved in intergalactic communication would truly be impractical/impossible for two-way dialogue. I’m simply asking about the hypothetical possibility of intelligent life existing in non-spiral galaxies.

[@PATRICKJLM]

Why are we still talking about the Fermi paradox when UFOs not-form-this-world are visiting us? And no, I am not an ufologist ...but I guess, some of them were right for decades. It is just the pieces of evidence now are overwhelming. Take a look at the TIC TAC incident. Of course, there is a lot of BS out there, but when some of the best pilots of the US Air Forces, who their job is to identify if something is a commercial plane, meteorological balloon or phenomenon etc, say that those UFOs are "not from this world", I believe them. I also trust the crew that was on the (best in the world) radars those days, and their job is to identify what they see in their radars, and they say, those UFOs aren't from this world. And then we have the footage too... Why do you still think that it is impossible? Are you skeptics or not? I mean, if you believe that we are the only or the most advanced civilization in the Milky Way, you believe in miracles. . If you want to argue, please first take a look at the incident. I mean, argue with what Commander David Fravor is stating in the few interviews he gave.

[@isaackappy7776]

There already here Anton.. There already here.

[@Gun4Freedom]

What about the myriad remnants of dwarf galaxies like the Magellanic Cloud, and the sparser star systems in the galactic halo, and does it account for the possibility or impossibility believed of life in globular clusters? Does it take into account the new data for the Proxima B system and Gliesse 887? There's at least 2 nearly Earth sized planets orbiting dead center in the habitable zones of their stars within 12 light years of Earth, and we're getting better data on them every passing week it seems. We have to figure out a way to reach .2 or .3c and send probes! I think we could do it with a moon based, solar powered laser propulsion system, combined with sustained burn EM drives, that could continue getting electric power from laser light long after they could get usable delta V. It would cost around 600 billion dollars, would need about 100 billion a year for manned lunar operations, and would also double as a feasable NEO deflection system. We could totally build it now, as far as tech goes, and it would be a long term investment in threat mitigation like no other species we know of has developed. It would be a crowning achievement for mankind. You'd have to commit to powering a petawatt class laser for 30-70 years, but imagine getting photos of city lights at the terminator zone of Proxima B :) Who knows?

[@romanovmarkelyon1021]

I’ve always believed life happens quite “often” in our universe. It’s just separated by huge distances and happens at different times.

[@mu99ins]

Don't want to be a Debbie Downer....but, the next nuclear war will erase our civilization for a millennium. Our time is almost up as a civilization. With the CCP and N. Korea and Pakistan and India nuclear capable, along with, very soon, Iran and then Saudi Arabia, we won't be talking about communicating with extraterrestrials, we'll be more concerned with clean drinking water, staving off starvation and making certain all the deformed babies are taken from their mothers before she sees them, and then...well, you get the picture. Within a decade?

[@handler0000]

Plus looking into space is legit like time travelling because what you are seeing isnt in real time it's looking into the past unless you are there then you are in they're time

[@j.m.4045]

@@mu99ins No use in anything..... just a waste of time because we're all just born to die in a big nuclear explosion. wow.

[@sam0jagaming424]

@@mu99ins Or America? the only country that used nuclear weapon against non-nuclear country. They produce war since its beginning.

[@richardides2035]

And no alien artifacts in space??? Nah... Its like Ghosts, Abominable Snowman, we need evidence first... otherwise it is just what you want to believe.

[@urstaxfetish1206]

Imagine on another planet their is an alien version of this guy giving a break down of the exact same study with the exact same opinions all written by scientific members of that aliens species.

[@Sun-ut7cj]

Study suggest that there is alien life on kebler44-earth109

[@dovahfruit9503]

@@Sun-ut7cj do you mean 442b?

[@mreshadow]

If space is literally infinite then it is happening precisely as described

[@AAlfredjoseph]

That would mean a parallel universe

[@kysa3535]

@@AAlfredjoseph nah, it means on Jupiter Tube is someone explaining the same thing to there Jupitaniens.

[@JamesBond-jo9cq]

I think the saddest thing is that if we ever do receive radio communication from a different civilization they'll probably be long extinct by the time it actually reaches us.

[@sailor5853]

Or they will be at our door

[@mesunmesun224]

How so? This makes no sense. If a civilization did have the hat technology they would hover around the same capacity as us. I can assume we would share the same fate. Either we will go.. or wipe ourselves out.

[@hohhoch3617]

@@mesunmesun224 In order for us to receive a signal, it would need to travel vast distances. Long enough that by the time it got to us, they would by far beyond us assuming they didn't wipe themselves out.

[@waporvave5121]

@@mesunmesun224 it does make sense because by the time we actually received their radio transmissions they'd be either long gone or way more advanced than us because of signal lag

[@alexhuerta6164]

@@waporvave5121 you just kinda said exactly what the original comment said lol

[@ddrsteen]

Civ 1: Hello Civ 2: Hi! So glad to hear we’re not alone! Civ 1: We’re sorry. The party you are trying to reach has not set up a mailbox or has become extinct.

[@r4fa3l59]

lmao

[@billb5732]

This is one of the best channels on KZbin. Concise, appropriate level of detail, fascinating, mostly new info for non-physicists. None of my physics profs were anywhere near your level of skill.

[@personbob8691]

You should also check out Isaac Arthur

[@thefirstsin]

@@personbob8691 Ayy 👀👍🔥

[@thefirstsin]

Noice

[@TheGuyCalledX]

@@personbob8691 PBS Spacetime and Sabine Hossenfelder are great subs too

[@MrZockerfreak11]

Based on this we should find many more ruins than actual civilizations.

[@phoule76]

we won't find them, but they may very well be out there, yes, in the past, or even more likely in the future, but probably unlikely sharing our slice of space-time

[@pedrokantor3997]

@@phoule76 "we won't find them" You don't know that!

[@alexjackson1863]

@@pedrokantor3997 You are correct, we cannot be certain. However, here on Earth humans have caused the 6th mass extinction of flora and fauna and runaway global warming. As such the the most probable outcome is our civilisation is finished within 10 years. Hope is no substitute of evidence.

[@WJohnson1043]

Yes, ruins in the form of derelict space probes like Voyager 1 & 2. Just imagine, there must be thousands if not millions drifting across the galaxy. Maybe most end up being consumed by stars or burnt up in the atmosphere of planets. However, some my crash on a celestial body with no atmosphere such as our Moon. I'm not sure what effect our Sun's rays would have on the ones on the Moon, but if negligible some ruins could still be there waiting to be discovered.

[@giovannibini6809]

need to find those Prothean beacons on Mars

[@0Human1]

Why does it crack me up when Anton says "maybe we can be the first civilization to outlive our own potential destruction" while wearing an "Enjoy Coke" t-shirt.... lol

[@johnlynch4743]

What? Its the real thing.

[@koekelakouwnt7949]

Lmao

[@sylarkane8883]

Excatly...Pepsi is better.

[@ortherner]

He is outliving his potential you idiot!

[@Ron4885]

@@sylarkane8883 I think so too personally. :)

[@MR0KITTY]

So that's how many empires I need for a realistic game of Stellaris.

[@jonnyblade3234]

Keep in mind, even 1000 stars is like a grain of sand on a beach compared to our Galaxy.

[@lukyril]

oh Im not alone with stellaris here

[@russtriking3398]

ONLY IF YOU WANT TO PLAY BY YOURSELF!

[@Californiagent]

😂🙌🏼

[@michaelgodding8572]

LMAO

[@brainmind4070]

Can you imagine the lag trying to play online games with these aliens? Literally unplayable.

[@vejymonsta3006]

@H M bruh

[@stabgan]

@H M or with my own self

[@sonwig5186]

Better than trying to play on NA servers from EU.

[@charlielyth1982]

If the games server is located at the midpoint between our civilisations, then there wouldn't actually be any lag (once the game eventually starts)

[@LeeRaldar]

Boom!.... some eight light years later... Yay, headshot.

[@Winkmyster]

I love how friendly and science-backed your videos are, I've never really seen any videos like yours.

[@aaronmathews9506]

Was thinking the same, what an oasis of a channel

[@LoonyKal]

Indeed!

[@kvarnerinfoTV]

My only objection is misusing term theory...ant thats not only by him but by virtually everyone.

[@matthewdavies2057]

@Aaron Hawley Don't forget Isaac Arthur and Event Horizon.

[@hasheemadamson4117]

If you want to learn more about aliens I suggest you check out this video on KZbin: QUANTUM COMPUTERS AND DEMONS. It's on a site called THE MOHAMADAN WAY. May The One True Creator increase us all in knowledge and understanding.🙏🏿

[@Bixy4888]

the technology that is used by ET's might be so different from ours that we don't recognise it

[@Miawzhies]

but it must be similar

[@limitsky7963]

Always kind of had the same idea they might be around her level of technology or below or level of technology and our radio technologies are reaching each other or we just don't know what we're seeing.

[@freedaemon1458]

Advanced ones use the natural electro magnetic fields with moons and other asteroids as relaystations and enhancers of signals. We are just looking in the wrong bands of frequencies. If we evolve enough, we will be able to capture their communications and respond to them. I suspect our bodies are the technology needed, together with giant crystals in the earth... All this mechanical tech we have is all copies from nature anyway... Sonar, radar, flight, radio frequencies, radioactivity, all of it...

[@limitsky7963]

@@freedaemon1458 I agree with that but before then I used to have the theory that maybe the solar burst from other stars and things in the Galaxy are actually stopping the radio waves from reaching other planets that might have life on them and even if they were trying to contact us the same issue would still be there as far as solar waves and other types of interferences sunspots things like that.

[@odinson810]

@@Miawzhies why must it be similar? I don't understand this train of thought. There could be a civilization that is millions of years more advanced than ours and you assume that they will be using the same forms of communication that we are????

[@PURPLE_SHADE_SMOOTHIE]

The presentation style is very calming for me. Thank you. Fascinating!

[@pyronac1]

you know, with everything going on today, i am thankful for you Anton. your show is a star in this dark times. thank you for being awesome and for the hard work you put into these videos for my viewing pleasure.

[@jayknight139]

Our viewing pleasure.

[@GoblinBoys]

100%

[@sgtspite]

It's like walking down a corridor and not seeing anybody else, doesn't mean nobody else ever walked through that corridor, it;s just that they wasn't there when we were.

[@karlohaze5304]

Exactly!!!

[@INKILU]

Damn that's deep

[@benrex7775]

But it can also mean that nobody ever walked through that corridor. As long as we don't see any signs both are equally likely.

[@supritatalnikar6744]

@@benrex7775 Not equally likely, but likely indeed (statistics)!

[@benrex7775]

@@supritatalnikar6744 If you don't have any evidence in either way it is equally likely. Depending on your world view that likelihood can shift in one way or the other. But no matter what, as long as we have no prove both ways are at least possible. And us being the only living things out there can not be proven. It can only be disproven.

[@mrchristradamus]

What if other existing civilizations transmit on a different frequency we are yet to discover? We invented the telephone little more than one hundred years ago, our planetary technology is so new that we can hardly be surprised if we are yet to develop technology able to communicate with other civilizations in our galaxy who are undoubtedly far more established than we are.

[@prophetdev290]

That's always my most likely scenario. We can see that the Universe is Interconnected and everything seemingly follows an order. Until we understand Dark matter/energy or become capable of possibly tapping into higher frequencies I think it's more likely we go extinct before contact happens. When I think about civilizations disappearing from earth with no trace other then ruins? I don't like conspiracies but given the things I know about our universe/frequencies/matter, something inside me just says it's all very simple but given the way our brain's perception is wired it's as if were missing the main puzzle piece that makes it all make sense. Nikola tesla, einstein, newton, many savants... their brains are clearly working in different ways & that's what makes me think the answer is all around us but we just aren't capable of accessing it, yet. Idk sorry for the rant bro but I agree with you & haven't seen many other say it

[@mume5446]

@ImaginarilyInc

[@mrchristradamus]

@@prophetdev290 We've already invented the quantum computer, the quantum lens can't be far behind, we're probably closer than anyone thinks. Civilization has indeed risen up time and time again, only to be recreated anew. Perhaps we have come close to these discoveries before, but weren't quite ready for them at the time. I believe you are correct about autistic individuals. They can sense things others cannot. Their brains do not filter the information they are receiving in the same way as others, which is why they often get overwhelmed. Some of these individuals can likely operate as a quantum computer without any need for technology, perhaps they even form a global neural network? At any rate, we need to understand that the difficulties of autism come alongside special abilities, gifts for the development of humanity.

[@user-zj1uf8hs6t]

Yes, every single one of them except us is definitely doing that

[@colorwalk80]

What if aliens/alien civilizations 'exist' on a frequency we have yet to discover? If so, they might have visited the Earth without our knowledge of the event ever happening.

[@WormholeJim]

A huge flaw in this breakdown as well as most others dealing with the fermi paradox is the assumption that any aliens will be using radio as primary communication. We've been using radio of sufficient power to transmit messages across the sky for some 80 years at this point and already we are looking into different means of communication which can be transmitted with point accuracy rather than in an expanding wave. Even during these 80-odd years, the total reach of the transmissions are puny to put it mildly when looking at the vast scale of the galaxy, to a point where it's simply foolish to think they should have been picked up an alien species not already aware of our presence. Likewise it is foolish to conclude anything based on our own failure to pick up any radio transmissions from alien civilizations that are closer than 100-150 lightyears, and for much the same reason. We know there's a lot we don't know. In fact, if we cut right to it, it is the *only* thing we know with any kind of certainty.

[@sagittariusa7662]

Correct. Why would aliens use communication that takes years if not thousands of years to get from A to B in the galaxy? More likely they would use similar technology that got them from A to B in their spaceships in unprecedented time for communication than communicate with such primitive technology.

[@wealthelife]

@@sagittariusa7662 Yep, either FTL travel is possible, in which case an alien civilisation with FTL capability would probably send messages via manned or drone FTL 'mail ships' And if FTL travel isn't possible, secure, unhackable comms using quantum entangled particles would probably be used. Sending broadcasts out in all directions when all your comm targets outside your own star system would be some tiny fraction of an arc second makes no sense. The chance of humanity being in 'line of sight' of any alien intersystem comms signal is tiny, even if they used something we can detect using current monitoring technology.

[@sagittariusa7662]

@@wealthelife The reason why we haven't had contact is because we don't want to contact them and that is due to our leaders being sociopaths and our population being stupid as F.

[@jorgepeterbarton]

I think it knows of its own flaw. Is it factored in_ how would you even factor in some "unknown technological alternative" or perhaps we may work one out and come up with a number. It could even be that they use radio but have a planet where underground orbeneath radio-blocking atmosphere. So many possibilities. So without the Drake Equation getting to silly with alternatives, all it can really do is look for what we a familiar with otherwise it can't say a lot. Like a detective, who questions the people who the victim knew, as opposed to exploring every possible avenue of random people: you have to start somewhere!

[@WormholeJim]

@@jorgepeterbarton I mostly absolutely agree. Mostly. But since it's all the important points you make, I agree with - I'll just add that keeping an open mind as well as acute observation skills are key to how we figure out stuff, based on what we already know.

[@The_Tauri]

I saw this in the news and I was like, "Should I read the articles? Nah, Anton will make a video tomorrow, so I'll just wait for that.... " and here it is! :D

[@tachyonicnewt2473]

You should read the articles, one reason why is you can see more than one stone a day

[@ize7821]

Reading the articles is always a good thing if you wish to learn more in depth information. Anton also made this video on a very short notice if this study was just picked up by news platforms, which leaves a chance for human error in the video. Regardless of that thought, I personally have found many interesting studies through Anton's videos I otherwise would have never found

[@cadenrolland5250]

What was the news article titled? Something extreme like "Study Concludes Universe is Dead, Human's are Next!" As soon as I see that I'm out, I can't take anything serious after that.

[@ros8737]

Try skimming through the summary. Then you’ll know if you wanna read the paper or not.

[@DavidRivera-ug3qz]

Same

[@criskity]

Other solutions to Fermi paradox: 1. Advanced civilizations might use some form of communications technology we don't know about yet. 2. They are too far away, so any signals we might receive from them are far too weak or simply haven't reached us yet.

[@Tjalve70]

If you want to communicate over long distances, you'd prefer to do so with lasers. Since if you use a source that spreads the signal out too much, it will weaken too fast. I think our key test sound be to find out at what distance we would be able to detect our own civilization. My guess is that we wouldn't have a chance of detecting ourselves at a distance of 100 ly.

[@marktravelinPI]

I hardly see my neighbor much less someone light years away.

[@aaronk8440]

Lol! Right!?

[@mrgonk871]

Especially now with social distancing, our neighbors go in each time we come out.

[@alitlweird]

It’s like they always say: “Good space fences make good space neighbors.”

[@marktravelinPI]

Meeting aliens on our terms would be the safest. Other wise we run the risk of entertaining that neighbor that wants to barrow every tool in the garage.

[@Brian-nh1yf]

The aliens will likely think the world is inhabited by wheeled monsters infected by human parasites.

[@ShanePleasance]

I’m not so easily fooled. You’re probably an alien trying to stop us looking for you. ^ But there you are. ^

[@klukyapb5361]

me u got

[@danm2084]

Hah! I bet he thought he got you. Silly aliens...

[@8simonking8]

Lol good one

[@andrewjohnson6716]

Considering the lifespan of planets, tens of billions of years, the time frame over which metal-heavy solar systems, also tens of billions of years, the short time frames of communication-capable civilizations, probably only one or two hundreds years, and the distances involved, thousands or tens of thousands of light years, two civilizations ever even knowing each other had ever existed would be like two people with handguns at each end of a football field trying to shoot each other’s bullets out of air with their own bullets.

[@handicappedapple9145]

Unless we can make life multi-planetary.. Also our planet you would think would be perfect for the creation of life; however we haven't found another system of life or evidence of creation of base life separate from the roots of our own.

[@xxx_g3tr3kt_xxx11]

Andrew Johnson Hahaha, KZbin comments never fail to make me laugh.

[@iron-farmer]

yeah did you see the kid who the hit the baseball hit to him as well as a foul ball that came over from the next diamond over? just happened the other day

[@bluelionsage99]

And yet during the US Civil war two bullets did collide and was even found in the ground like 100 years later.

[@UltimateEnd0]

Unless we were altered/tampered with by E.T. Then it's inherent.

[@bobbyt9431]

Aliens are already here and they are producing the galaxy's most popular show: Earth.

[@ragingferret]

We took species from hundreds of different planets and put them all together for you viewing needs

[@deadwingdomain]

Just hope they dont decide to cancel the show

[@SkepticRaider]

@@deadwingdomain like in South Park😂

[@Mrjim6986]

The ultimate non-reality reality show,

[@MrCmon113]

Everything can be explained with a sufficiently large conspiracy.

[@bes5164]

Imagine all those stories, all those events and situations which occured 5 billions years ago when in our galaxy there were those now extincted civilizations. What were they like, what they achieved. Oh, our planet had not even existed yet at that time, not to mention us humans. Maybe their scientists noticed that a planet in our solar system was just being created which then became known as the Earth. It's insane!

[@rodriguezelfeliz4623]

Star wars

[@hellskitchen10036]

Being alive and on this planet is such a lucky gift , one that I appreciate every single day.

[@edgepixel8467]

Definitely. More people should appreciate that. But we’re naturally jaded just being this “me.” Even though a gazillion factors worked to put together all these little things into “me,” “flower,” “rainbow,” “sunset,” “laughter,” “poetry” and “wind on my skin.”

[@seabreez2421]

No it's not. I hate my life.

[@edgepixel8467]

@@seabreez2421 🤗

[@AB-kc3lf]

Well said, ma'am

[@nychollasarthurdasilvacast7327]

@@seabreez2421 all the pain goes away with time

[@davethefoxmage5797]

So I know a few others below have already mentioned how we've moved beyond the types of radio broadcasts that would blast out into space ourselves. The big reason for this is efficiency. If I'm trying to send a message to someone, any signal that doesn't directly go to that person is wasted energy. Sort of like how older-style streetlights actually waste a huge amount of the energy that goes into them, by a lot of the light "missing" the ground (creating light pollution, while simultaneously using extra electricity). I remember when I was a kid on road trips at night, being able to identify cities purely by the domes of orange-ish light pollution over them. You can still see it today, but as we've gotten better at more efficiently using our electricity and not wasting extra light, it's not nearly as extreme now. So it could be that our best chance of detecting anyone out there is actually during short bursts of time. When a new technology (like radio) is invented, but BEFORE it is refined enough that they don't have to send it out in an omnidirectional blast. Like if we discover some form of FTL communication - who knows, our first iteration of it might be an omnidirectional signal like radios. That would give the aliens another few decades to spot it before we find a way to make that more efficient and directional, and so on. :-)

[@Innomen]

My favorite answer to the paradox: Galactic communication is an FTL technology we don't have yet. Basically it's like living on an island and concluding you're alone on the planet because you don't see any smoke signals.

[@deckardcain9789]

Radio. Those idiot earthers are trying to talk to us by radio? When they get Quantum Entanglement Resonance Comms, we might choose to answer. Radio is practically stone age drums.

[@Innomen]

@@deckardcain9789 Exactly.

[@felixfeliciano7011]

@@deckardcain9789 When non-human animals on earth make sounds in patterns that seem like communication, we pick up on it and study it, try to understand it, and the creatures that produce those sounds. It is how we know that elephants, whales, dolphins, birds and more can and do communicate with each other. Seeing unnatural signals and ignoring them due to their primitive nature isn't a sign of intelligence - it is the opposite.

[@havenbastion]

Not just FTL, and kind of technology that would seem transcendent to our current level of understanding.

[@panta_rhei.26]

@@felixfeliciano7011 That's assuming radio is distinctly detectable over long distances (which it's not). If OP is correct then they're probably not ignoring us, they simply can't detect us because our signals are extemely weak.

[@exit1595]

The idea that we're in the age of the universe where communication between many intergalactic species is on the decline... is extremely saddening. My greatest fantasy was somehow visiting planets far far away just to see what strange things the universe could create. With the speed at which galaxies are running from each other, that'll never happen, even in that future. I now fantasize about going back in time when everything was closer.

[@vorrdegard2176]

Not a bad idea we gonna figure out how to build the doctors tardis

[@kairon5249]

I don’t think this is true. Just because we haven’t found any aliens, doesn’t mean they haven’t found us.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

Just because we don't know about them doesn't mean they don't exist. Just because someone made a hypothesis that we can't detect alien messages because intelligence is on the decline does not mean it's true. Just because we can't detect an alien signal does not mean it does not exist. They could be using technology too advanced for us to detect, or too different from the solutions we went with the be compatible with our technology. Just because we can't figure out how to travel faster then light now, does not mean the means does not exist. It just means we haven't found it yet. There was a time when people thought if a human being traveled faster then 50 MPH we'd be instantly crushed. George Stephenson then invented the first steam locomotive and they were eventually able to top 50 mph and the people on the train were fine. Then it was the speed of sound, until the first jet surpassed that barrier, so now it's the speed of light. Until some genius comes along and invests the means of exceeding that speed limit too. it will happen, it's only a matter of time.

[@mattmartian1658]

Well I think ..when you die you get to travel faster than the speed Of light and can go anywhere you want. So you can visit other galaxies and planets . somthing to look forward to.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

@@mattmartian1658 As a spiritual being, you could, as long as you remember how. Many of us are so attached to having bodies we don't remember how to do these things anymore and just go right to the next developing body though.

[@marshallmathers2740]

They’re gonna hear halo pre game chat room recordings and wonder why we talked to each other that way.

[@SpawnNL]

Full lobby of people yelling at each other with Voice Mask on

[@mark9294]

It’s a good question

[@randym4121]

(An excerpt from the introduction to: "The UFO Puzzle" by RRM): Why haven’t aliens communicated with us and why haven’t we detected them? The most basic answer to this question is that space is so vast and our galaxy so colossal, it’s like trying to find a needle in 400 billion haystacks. Our Sun alone is so large, 1.3 million Earths could fit inside it-and there are stars big enough to hold a million or more of our Suns. If the Sun were the size of a basketball, the nearest star would be 6,000 miles away. Our galaxy has a diameter of 100,000 light years, so we live in a very big universe, indeed; the haystack is enormous. The nearest galaxy to our own is so far away, we may never reach it during the entire future history of the human race. And yet we can see billions of galaxies in Hubble telescope images. Even if an alien species were to jump up and down, shout and wave flags, they would still be virtually impossible to notice in an expanse as enormous as our immediate stellar neighborhood, let alone our galaxy. Less basic answers to this question include the very real possibility that some of those alien species may not want to be found. They may have decided that advertising their existence is far too risky and downright dangerous. Or perhaps they could be extremely xenophobic. As far as we know, the “norm” in our galaxy could be for intelligent species to attack each other. Others may be hiding from us for various other reasons. In addition, it is not out of the question that some alien species may have evolved before the birth of our sun, some 4 to 5 billion years ago. What about six billion years ago, or seven or even eight billion years ago or more? You see, there was plenty of time for many intelligent, alien species to evolve and become extinct long before humans came along. Humans went from living in caves to space travel in less than 100,000 years. How much more advanced than us could an alien species be with a 9 billion year head start on us? Even considerably more recently evolved alien species may have much more advanced methods of communication than our “primitive” radio. If we are listening for radio transmissions from those aliens, we will have a very long wait and we will only hear silence (sorry, SETI). Undoubtedly, some of these aliens may consider us to be backward, unsophisticated and not very advanced, even brutish. They, on the other hand, are definitely much more advanced than us and are most likely routinely travelling the great distances between stars-not just wandering over to their nearest astronomical neighbor. They may be making these interstellar journeys for scientific purposes or to discover and make contact with other intelligent species and perhaps even conduct commerce with them. These suppositions are not merely a question of science fiction, but are so highly probable as to be almost certainty. Even way back in the 1950s, when Project Blue Book was going around asking the world’s top scientists their opinions, there was a consensus among those scientists that intelligent alien species probably existed and could possibly have the technology to build vehicles with the performance exhibited by UFOs.

[@Max-zk3gx]

This makes a lot of sense!!

[@emperorpalpatine2957]

I personally find it super unlikely that aliens would want to kill us or another civilization as there's no real reason to other than Rivalry which doesn't make sense in on itself considering the galaxy has next to unlimited resources and plenty of space. but of course this would depend on their own evolution. I'm reminded of Thargoids from Elite: Dangerous. They evolved on a planet that had Ammonia as a Solvent instead of Water like us. So the intelligent species there were made up of Carbon-Ammonia. resulting in them having to adapt to colder environments which overdeveloped their survival instincts along with their territorial instincts. They had a Hive/Colony Mentality like Bees or Ants. So when a rival is spotted especially in their territory it was time to throw down.

[@randym4121]

@@emperorpalpatine2957 I wholeheartedly agree with you, king. As stated in "The UFO Puzzle," there are most likely many uninhabited Earth-like planets for another species to settle on (if an Earth-like planet is one of their requirements). No pesky indigenous inhabitants to deal with, no indigenous inhabitants armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons, etc., etc., etc.

[@RealButcher]

Meanwhile their (very high tech) rockets going to space, just landed and then blew up ... again .... hmmm... Where have we seen this?

[@laserlight568]

If you also consider and believe in natural selection, the chances of an intelligent life form evolving with all the requisite limbs necessary to be able to move on land, form complex social networks (societies/civilization), and to be able to design and manipulate complex tools the chances are nearly nonexistent. The existence of the human race is statistically extremely unique and improbable when one considers how many different life form lineages have existed and perished on earth since life evolved. The chances of humans evolving, developing the ability to think abstractly, develop “civilized” societies, have creative thought processes and to create and use tools because of our opposable thumbs is nearly nonexistent. No other of the millions of prior and existing lifeforms on this planet have even come close to being able to possess the attributes that have allowed humans to develop and thrive in spite of our predisposition to want to follow our base animal insticts of jealousy, greed and warfare. We have survived and flourished despite the odds against us for doing so. Any other potential life supporting planet would naturally present similar odds of intelligent life evolving and thriving. One must also consider the age of the star around which a planet revolves, and other natural disasters such as extinction events, the evolution of some form of base plant life to evolve and form a breathable atmosphere, and the existence of water and the necessary multitudes of other life forms necessary to establish an ecosystem that can support a late developing sentient lifeform. The odds of all of these contributing factors happening is close to zero. When one considers everything else that hasn’t been identified that is necessary for intelligent life to develop, the odds are staggeringly infinitesimal. Also, considering the realities of the chance of a civilization developing and formulating all the mathematic principles, unique advanced technological inventions, etc. , we may well be the only intelligent lifeform in the universe with our capabilites. Intelligent life forms with the ability to develop a functioning, constantly developing civilization with the capability of advanced technology are far less likely. The conditions for that to occur requires a nearly perfect stable and safe environment. Case in point, the dinosaurs were around for millions of years but never evolved the intelligence to be able to outgrow their basic animal instincts. Had they not been wiped out by a mass extinction event humans probably would never have had the opportunity to evolve. That is only one element of chance that worked in our favor. There are likely millions, possibly billions of unique circumstances that allowed humans to evolve.

[@TheExoplanetsChannel]

Amazing. Last year I estimated in a video a *very similar number: 50*

[@chrisjohnson2460]

1. We have only been looking for several decades, that's the blink of an eye in galactic terms. 2. Maybe they know we are here and don't want anything to do with us.

[@j.savage1228]

Perhaps we are the most advanced civilization of all & everyone else is in their own Stone Age.

[@chrisjohnson2460]

@m carpenter It only makes sense, and given what percentage of the viewable sky we can look at, at any one time it's like looking for a molecule in a haystack.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

If they are smart, #2 is the obvious choice. Just the act of electing a human-orangutan hybrid as President has banned us from the Solar Federation for at least another four generations.

[@Gotz_the_iron_hand]

Or maybe they know, but it's really expensive and resource intensive to visit and they're waiting for us to reach a certain level of technology so that interacting with us has some tangible value for them. Alternatively, maybe one of them seeded life here, we're some kind of experiment they're currently monitoring, our solar system is some kind of giant terrarium they use for us, and they're waiting to see how long it takes us to spread to other planets.

[@killlamas57]

What if they already came here and we were still primates so they just left

[@Paraselene_Tao]

This video is really high quality content. Thank you, Anton.

[@JabroneyDirt]

Anton, My man. Been subbed for about a year now and I just wanted to commend you for always putting out great content and consistently putting in the effort that you do. I feel you should really look into becoming a teacher or professor at some point in the future, if you aren't already. Just wanted to say thanks for always being a positive and entertaining part of my day.

[@rohansatram]

Did you know he was a teacher in South Korea? :)

[@Xanthrazhellfyre9501]

I've given Anton probably 13 different compliments on his content. He has great videos and i always learn something. But sadly just like Austin Casey here whom just gave a outstanding complement, i begin to wonder if he ever reads these. I've never got a reply or a ❤ on any comments. Probably the burden of having 500,000+ subscribers Lol. Still love his content and still going to kept watching. 😁

[@sptony2718]

I don't see how him becoming a teacher would make much of a difference to what he's doing right now. If anything, he could step up his production value and maybe invite or collab with sciencetubers (that is if he feels like it of course).

[@JabroneyDirt]

@@rohansatram I did not, obviously 😉 jk bud. Im glad to hear that.

[@JabroneyDirt]

@@sptony2718 I was referring to becoming a teacher because as the father of a 13 year old son I see the importancenof having people in those spots that are engaging and actually care about what they are teaching. The difference between that and one just doing it to do it, even when referencing middle school teachers is glaring and concerning. And I'm not expecting an astrophys PhD to teach in public grade school, Anton just has a knack for educating in an engaging way, and I felt the need to say thanks.

[@slicerjohn1897]

sometimes I see it as if you only had an analogue TV in a digital world, you would think there are no TV channels being broadcast.

[@Ranstone]

I think your comment is a perfect way to describe this. heck, we've been using radio for what... Barely over a century? What makes us think other civilizations would even use radio?

[@kysa3535]

the blind are screaming, the deaf are waving.

[@jtorelli7341]

@@Ranstone @Ranstone because the laws of physics seem to work almost everywhere at every point in time. There are certain exceptions, and there are certainly exceptions we probably haven't thought of yet, but it seems reliable to assume that wireless communication will begin for most civilizations in bandwidths that are easier to discover. If we assume they developed like us. It is also important to remember we're making assumptions, but we can inspect our assumptions for consistency and logic.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

A few comments with a lot of good points in this thread. In some other comment threads I've mentioned the analogy of trying to communicate with the Roman Empire with the telegram, they'd lack the technology to get our message, nor even know it ever existed and would have no means of sending a message back to us. They'd also probably not even be able to conceive of a way to communicate almost instantaneously across their vast empire through wires, and even less conceive of a way to do so without even wires to carry the message in. If communications technology has advanced as far as it has in the 1500 years since the Roman Empire was a world power, then how much more will it have advanced 100 years from now? Anybody using technology equally more advanced to us as our radio technology would be to the Roman Empire, we'd have no way of knowing. For all we know, we may be getting bombarded with 100s of undetectable signals, at any given moment in time, anything from directed communications we're in the path of, to general broadcasts, perhaps even alien music or entertainments similar to movies or sports to news to who knows what.

[@KRYPTOS_K5]

@@Ranstone no no no... there is a mistake here. When the order of the dolphin postulated the 1420 MHz band to be scanned (and further also the frequency of water emission not only the frequency of neutral hydrogen) there was two basic assumptions: they think like earthling scientists and they want to communicate. So the radio microwaves were investigated. It is not a question of type of device, coding or usability.

[@DireSheep]

You can fill the drake equation with anything! We have the least idea of what the actual values of the f terms at the end of the equation actually are. We are the only statistical sample of life so far, so this equation is guesswork at best.

[@grandpaobvious]

@Shawnaldo75 The conjecture is not horseshit, your comment is.

[@abigailslade3824]

Shawnaldo75 strange how people who don’t understand always call bs

[@havenbastion]

There's nothing horseshit about it just because it's uncertain. Conjecture isn't just guessing, it's trying our best to do better than guessing with limited information.

[@panta_rhei.26]

@Shawnaldo75 it's not horseshit, the equation itself makes perfect sense, just the notion that we could actually calculate it with any accuracy at the moment is horseshit. But anyone you talk to who studies this stuff will tell you that. Of course we don't know the rate that civilizations form, if we did, we'd have to know about other alien species already.

[@johnk7302]

Thank you for all your knowledge and ability to share science with the masses. You are awesome!

[@daveylocker8]

You are a gem to our civilization. Thank you for all of your hard work.

[@goat813]

imagine that someone on another planet somewhere far away is looking at the sky and thinking "i wonder if there's life anywhere else" without a clue of our existence and us of theirs...

[@formationctrv3651]

I believe in this

[@wikid4948]

If the end of the world is coming I'd like to hear it in your soothing voice. You would make it sound like it's not that bad.

[@cotesworth922]

Can’t wait for him to start talking about solar surface oscillations and localized supercriticality! But he’ll definitely put some hefty spin on it with shitty magnetoabsent atmospheric absorption simulations

[@kisa4748]

Hello wonderful people I am here as the fourth trumpet of the end times

[@Cola.Cube.]

Not the end of the world, just the end of us, the world will still be here long after we have gone extinct.

[@russtriking3398]

I THINK OUR SPECIES CAN HANDLE THAT ALL BY OURSELVES! I THINK IF ANYTHING CAN STOP IT, THEY CAN!

[@myaccountishacked6417]

Love Antons videos for the up to date science based content. Equally enjoyable is his comment section on KZbin which has become a half decent forum for intellectual discussions.

[@anthonyhutchins2300]

We need James Webb in space right now

[@dante316a]

mike mars why not?

[@keepitwitmine]

@mike mars I'm beginning to feel that way

[@SuperYtc1]

Valdis4418 Yeah and my homework is also 99% done...

[@EventHorizon31]

Well he's dead now. He would probably appreciate being launched up there with the telescope though....;)

[@aetius215]

@Valdis4418 It's 99% done, 30% is left.

[@giorgigiorgi8375]

Can you imagine (if we become interstellar species)landing on a planet and seeing ancient structures built by an extinct civilization.

[@Zany4God]

Anton, Thank you again for a quality vlog. Keep up the great work.

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

What quality? Petrov's bullshit is comparable to flat earther videos.

[@Vielle-Lothaire]

On a cosmic scale, 36 potential civilizations isn’t a whole lot.

[@GordonJones88]

He is talking galactic scale. The cosmos is the universe. There are likely a trillion galaxies. So precisely 36 trillion civilizations on a cosmic scale.

[@OnyxXThePunch]

@@GordonJones88 let's not forget they could also have other countries on sed planets like we have on earth so when civilization on one planetmight be friendly but the other on the same planet might not be

[@kubel83]

Well for the milky way perhaps not. But there are billions of galaxies out there. So add that with 36 in each and the number becomes totally different.

[@The_Tactical_Wook]

@@OnyxXThePunch imagine the first one we meet is more prone to violence than we are being more primitive or something

[@kinngrimm]

@@OnyxXThePunch Like Neanderthaler and other parallel evolutionary branches, which not unlikely were already cut of by us earlier on. The likelyhood for a second planet with similar chances to form life within the same solar system are exponetially smaller i would imagine.

[@lisawillis8227]

Anton is so interesting, soothing, and uplifting.

[@0ptimal]

The universe is amazing. It's the most phenomenal mystery imaginable. I think any beings advanced enough to find us would observe us silently. Because their presence could be detrimental to our development. I think one day we'll find out that we have been observed the whole time.

[@diktatoralexander88]

Yes exactly. It has nothing to do with us being 'too primitive for us to comprehend them', we'd very much comprehend their presence. The problem is, if they revealed themselves, all of our technological focus would be towards trying to talk to them, which could arguable be detrimental in our development. Focusing too much on one thing can harm something. Imagine if we spent all our technology and money on making a radio beam to say "Hi" but by the time we do that, we ensure our own extinction.

[@maxkronader5225]

That does not address the lack of observed evidence of any technological civilizations.

[@kairon5249]

@@maxkronader5225 in history, so many people have talked about seeing "blazing balls of fire" coming down from the cosmos. The egyptians even praised the "holy balls of fire" that descended among them in ancient writings. it also seems that almost all ancient civilizations have claimed to have seen this. China, Rome, the Egyptians, and more. if we are being watched, its by a civilization much more advanced then us, so they would be great at keeping their existence hidden. they might have tricked us into worshipping them, even if we dont know they exist. what if the names of the greek gods, and various gods around the planet have the names of highly alien beings far away?

[@maxkronader5225]

@@kairon5249 No, I mean where is the evidence now. Not folklore millennia old. At the very least we should see some indication of Dyson swarms or something of the kind. There are no real answers to the Fermi Paradox that cover all the bases other than there are simply no advanced space faring civilizations within our range of observation.

[@vip3r729]

No highly advanced alien civilization would be broadcasting their presence to the universe. They would be intelligent enough to know the threat competing advanced lifeforms would pose. If they did somehow learn of our presence they would either a) avoid us or b) destroy us, eliminating any future threat/competition we would pose. This is assuming they would be an interstellar civilization interested in colonizing the galaxy as humans aim to do.

[@JoeKingAudits]

You just give all your ideas out over the internet for free. You are a hero and a really good and wonderful person.

[@godfreyofbouillon966]

There's also Godfrey's paradox "where are all the dragons?" but it doesn't get talked about as much as Fermi's :(

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

Pretty certain they were killed and eaten by Medieval Europeans to extinction

[@earthdweller5136]

@@lowwastehighmelanin mmmh...dragon steak

[@RyanFromUltrasound]

@@lowwastehighmelanin MEAT MEAT MEAT MEAT....

[@Mortiis558]

Dragons, like mermaids are just people mistaking real world animals/reptiles for ancient myths.

[@josephyoung6749]

Dinosaurs? They went extinct ;)

[@baldwintheanchorite]

Russians and Americans: unlock ICBM tech Both: "yeah imma strap a person to it"

[@Elios0000]

more like: "you know this bomb weighs way more then a person... what if..."

[@fine9375]

I like how that was the best thing to do with it as well 😂

[@artemismoonbow2475]

I guess if two groups of humans with philosophical and scientific frameworks as different as the Americans and the Soviets can come to the same conclusion, shouldn't that be a way to infer how other forms of intelligence would behave? Create tech to destroy and then say, "huh, perhaps we should retool the tech?"

[@baldwintheanchorite]

@Lee Kendrick Well actually Lee, I think you would find that the actual Germans who went on during the cold war to actually build ICBM tech were very much American or Russian citizens. That's usually a part of the deal that got them there.

[@baldwintheanchorite]

Wernher Von Braun would be a good example.

[@johndehaan2764]

Anton i cannot believe how your channel has grown, good on you, after subscribing to your channel when it was only some 30k subs i cannot believe how rapidly it has grown. I am very happy for you.

[@rbrtck]

The weak part of the Drake equation and any reasoning based on it is that life based on proteins digitally encoded into genes is something that commonly happens spontaneously under the right conditions. I think the probability of this factor should be pretty darn near zero instead. The fact that we exist heavily biases us toward assuming that life should be almost inevitable everywhere that is habitable (the strong anthropic principle), but I think it's pretty much a miracle that it happened even once. I don't mean that in any kind of religious sense at all, I just mean it was an incredibly, mindblowingly, unfathomably unlikely occurrence that probably took an entire Universe to have happened even just once. In fact, if we suddenly discovered that a highly advanced interstellar/intergalactic species exists, then in that case I would believe that it's more likely they went around spreading life on other planets, including Earth, than us and them having begun life separately. In my opinion, the anthropic principle has many people majorly fooling themselves. Now, once life forms, the probability of intelligence arising from natural selection seems to be much higher than life forming in the first place. I base this on the fact that there are many fairly intelligent species on Earth. Only one, ours, has done what we've done, but there is little that is unique about humans. Even making and using tools is not unique to us, and many species have evolved some form of communication between individuals, as well. I don't know what the probability of civilization and advanced technology developing might be, but surely it is much higher than life forming spontaneously. This is just what I think, and really we're all only taking wild, mildly informed guesses here.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

*Humans contacts other aliens* Humans: “bruh, you got FTL tech ?” Aliens: “Nah, you ?” 👽 Humans: “Ffs...” 🤦‍♂️

[@vejymonsta3006]

Aliens: Nevermind, we developed it during the previous transmission.

[@Levittchen4G]

that's literally what I'm thinking every time this comes up

[@Levittchen4G]

@BenjaminTheRogue sure hope they do, that'd mean we already had FTL tech

[@Beatyofeet32]

@BenjaminTheRogue If they've developed enough general suspicion to lie to us, that would mean they're probably comparably murderous and untrustworthy as we are and we should expect to go to war with them at some point if we don't kill ourselves first.

[@Beatyofeet32]

@BenjaminTheRogue Of course that's possible too. They could be completely virtuous, but that still probably means that they exist in a system where that is a concern either because other species exist or existed with those characteristics. Which in turn could mean that should they find that we are murderous and deceitful conquerors ( which we are ) it would be prudent to prevent us from achieving technological maturity.

[@ApPersonaNonGrata]

“The story so far: In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move ...” "...by all 36 (or 42?) civilizations".

[@pressaltf4forfreevbucks179]

Exurb1a?

[@missingremote4388]

The word has been translatedn from Hebrew scrolls

[@misteriguana2748]

It's cool.... I got my towel.

[@MasterBalloon2]

The only evidence they found of god was a short message carved in stone, “Sorry for the inconvenience..”

[@greytroll1632]

The best quote ever.

[@snoopy3587]

You're show is the best and more interesting on you tube, keep up the good work Anton love your show.

[@imgingergiraffe3731]

Something that is curious though. With all this we assume light speed communication is the fastest. Humans as a civilization have had radio communication for like a century, and we've already discovered quantum entanglement allowing instant communication. It is likely that other alien civilizations communicate in different ways or ways we don't know about yet.

[@Allexstrasza]

This is like taking a glass of water from the ocean and seeing no life in it and saying, "There's no life in this glass of water, therefor there must be none in the rest of the ocean"

[@hairohukosu433]

The thing is, that glass of water is the only glimpse of the ocean we have ever had access to...

[@ocevicheband502]

Liquid analogy ! Nice.

[@urchhyy1253]

@@hairohukosu433 exactly, which is why this analogy is so perfect. Not only is the tiny amount of water not enough to prove theres no life in the universe just as how looking in a telescope wont tell you if there is life in the universe but the rest of the ocean is the ocean we only have access to, just like how the universe we see is the observable one.

[@kyleclark9064]

@@urchhyy1253 only flaw with this argument is that life is so predominant on earth that any glass of water taken from the sea is statistically guaranteed to contain life or the byproducts of life. There are no places which are completely sterile. Even places such as the Arctic ice contain microbial life.

[@danceswithcritters]

@@kyleclark9064 The ocean has a long history of human waste disposal on the assumption that its vast size makes it capable of absorbing and diluting all noxious material.[23] While this may be true on a small scale, the large amounts of sewage routinely dumped has damaged many coastal ecosystems, and rendered them life-threatening. Pathogenic viruses and bacteria occur in such waters, such as Escherichia coli, Vibrio cholerae the cause of cholera, hepatitis A, hepatitis E and polio, along with protozoans causing giardiasis and cryptosporidiosis. These pathogens are routinely present in the ballast water of large vessels, and are widely spread when the ballast is discharged

[@jeffvader811]

You can get essentially any answer you want out of the Drake equation because we have essentially no data on many of the factors.

[@theGGAcademy]

I do not believe this to be true for one reason. We know of, and have observed hundreds of thousands if not millions of planets, and probably just as many galaxies. With the planets we have observed, we can throw our ratio of 1 to 1000000 is a minimum. With that we can show the minimum amount of civilizations there "could" be.

[@revi8300]

@@theGGAcademy Yea but when it comes down to throwing random numbers we THINK are true, it's just speculation, it's not scientific, it's fun to do yea i 100% agree, i do it too, but let's not use it as a base for ''proof'' or something like that

[@djaneczko4]

Very true!

[@ethorii]

And that's why it's so much fun

[@addamriley5452]

basically what the situation is, is this.. consciousness is a singularity. Therefore our brains do not produce their own consciousness but connect to it like wifi. Therefore we have all been the same person this entire time. There is no death. We live each other’s lives in a physical dreamlike state through the electro magnetic activity in our bodies which again is a connection to consciousness itself. When a UFO (flux liner) goes faster than light, what it’s really doing is dematerialising from 3D into another dimension of reality and “falling” into another position in time and space. When that happens, the pilot’s eyes will not be able to operate under normal conditions and instead, they will enter a literal dream state. This is why Area 51 is called dreamland. Your thoughts are a broadcast that anyone in the universe can access, This is how the ETs can communicate over vast distances without needing radio waves. They know all of our thoughts already and borderline map our brain activity on this planet until we’re “grown up” and ready to interact with the rest of the universe. “Some” species see our duality as a disease. But that situation is primarily under control. Welcome to the space age, and the matrix 😎👍. Pay close attention to your dreams bro.

[@highlander918]

I have absolute confidence that humanity will achieve type 3 civilization in the distant future. We are overly emotional and unpredictable creatures, but our history proves that we progress through complete chaos, so I think we have a chance.

[@4Thessia]

I wish I had your optimism. I think we’re f*cked.

[@highlander918]

@@4Thessia We as a generation might be, but not the future of humanity. In just one century we have gone from horse carriages to nuclear fusion and the internet. Give us one more century and you wouldn’t even recognize your own species. Our progress is multiplying itself. Even if we become an endangered species we have the intelligence to re-emerge, and history proves this has happened multiple times. Every time we fail miserably, we triumph greatly afterwards.

[@Mr.Cheeseburger24]

@@4Thessia If we collectively would think like you do, I am certain that it will definitly happen.

[@00st307-m]

@@4Thessia well maybe that’s correct with a world of people who think like you - Do you really wish you had optimism? You realize that it takes grit and courage and imagination to have optimism? People want change - but they don’t to let go of their condition behaviors and thought patterns You seem to enjoy your fatalism 👏🏼 Own it

[@00st307-m]

@@4Thessia also think about what you say. You say you wish you were optimistic - but then you go and say something that will make it more challenging to be optimistic. If you can’t say something encouraging - why not choose silence? Optimistic and joy filled people are tired of carrying around vampires - let people be hopeful - that’s how people who create new things actually accomplish the things they do!!!

[@esnevip]

Hello wonderful Anton, thanks for all the fantastic content, been watching for quite some time now. I enjoy watching these as I'm settling down for bed and the sudden flash of white when a paper is shown is pretty jarring. Might I suggest fading in and out when showing something really bright? Keep up the fantastic work :)

[@d0gM3at]

Considering the scale of the universe, and the constraints the speed of light places on space travel and communication, we'll very likely never come in contact with alien civilizations.

[@PlanetJimmer]

Sure, based on our CURRENT understanding of physics. With another thousand or perhaps millions of years of advancement (if we don't destroy ourselves) we will probably laugh at the silly 21st century humans that thought interstellar travel was so difficult.

[@hailuxstudios6842]

I think the interesting thought here would be how would we react if we did find intelligent life. As much as i'd love to believe that the scientists would be the ones doing the communicating and doing so for connection and knowledge... I get a sad feeling that people would turn hostile just as many do even against our own species even though we all only ever want the same thing, a true connection and an understanding of what this crazy life actually is. Per ardua ad astra

[@krismorton6115]

Well durr it's down to how uneducated we are due to brainwashing religions and media outlets for hundreds of years

[@theydontknow806]

Well said..

[@corporateturtle6005]

It'll in all likelihood end the way Europeans meeting Native Americans. Which our species is depends on who's the more technically advanced but history has shown us what will happen either way.

[@hailuxstudios6842]

@sbcontt YT I agree with this to a degree, let’s say it comes from a star that’s 200 LY away from us, this is reasonable in the sense that these are within our current range of communication, this still leaves thousands of star systems to check, I think the unlikely part is that another civilization is thus using our current (radio wave) form of communication.

[@hailuxstudios6842]

@@corporateturtle6005 True, although this is a very human way of looking at the situation that involves beings that could have a completely different way of life/understanding.

[@radradR0bot]

Conclusion. Space is big

[@EksaStelmere]

Better conclusion. People prefer pessimism over realism.

[@MakeYouTubeGreatAgain1]

Outer space is humungous. One might not even be able to fathom its size or the advancement of the aliens from other galaxies.

[@ravensnflies8167]

literally EVERYTHING is in space...

[@roberttg5108]

Space is almost completely empty.

[@kysa3535]

Maybe we are just so small? Maybe Room is like a matroschka.

[@Sharonmxg]

it seems obvious that life as we imagine it, just does not live long enough for any other life to text us back.

[@Akcruiser2012]

If two species each made A.I. controlled robots that continued on after the species died they could have some exchanges if they kept themselves running long enough. Its like an imitation of life talking to another imitation of another life.

[@hunterreeves6525]

I feel like it’s pessimistic to think civilizations will always go extinct, unless humanity is somehow the exception. Unless an asteroid gets us in the next couple decades (before we’re somewhat self sufficient on Mars or the moon), what could take us out? Seems like we’ve got past the whole nukes thing

[@GameZero2]

It could also be they are still developing or have a different kind of communication technology which we can't detect. Or it could just be they are avoiding us until we become stage 2 or 3 civilization. Either way humanity still has years to come. We fill find those aliens eventually.

[@holton345]

“The universe is a pretty big place. If it's just us, seems like an awful waste of space.” ― Ted Arroway in "Contact" by Carl Sagan

[@mickmegson6241]

The whole point of the book wasn't really about contacting alien life, it was about contacting the people in our own lives. The central character had run away from her own life to hide herself in science only to find out all the beliefs and resentments she held were flawed.

[@EternalEmpr3ss]

not if we advance so much that we conquer the entire galaxy, which is unlikely, but still.

[@yaff1851]

I haven’t read the book yet, but this is one of the least scientific sentences of the movie. How does our wish not to be alone provide evidence for or against us being alone in the next 1000 light years/our galaxy/the entire universe?

[@calebblack1420]

Considering we spread like a virus, our mission might be to infest as many planets as possible.

[@StormyDog]

Perhaps nearby civilizations received our early TV broadcasts that were mostly NAZI propaganda, and said "Never mind".

[@Roguescienceguy]

We also have to consider that we are: 1. Very lucky to have a huge vacuumcleaner like Jupiter and the other gasgiants gobbling up some of the most apocalyptic rocks that might have been heading for our planet. And 2. That our sun is a nice and friendly little girl who doesn't bombard us with too much solar winds that would strip our atmosphere in a matter of hours. The fact that our own planet hasn't been playing nice with us on a number of occasions has forced our species to use intelligence to survive(darwinprinciple at work there).

[@guisas123]

But isn't because of Jupiter we were bombarded in the early stages of Earth in the first place?

[@Roguescienceguy]

@@guisas123 our solarsystem did go through a normalisation-period. In the early stages of our solarsystem earth as we know it was not even around. But is the Kuyperbelt not where it is partly due to the gravitational pull of Jupiter? It is rather strange that this big ring of rocks is nicely positioned between mars and Jupiter.

[@Gg-vz2fc]

Maybe some planets are only starting in normalisation period

[@skaruts]

According to the periodic table, Metal rules! \m/

[@ssgssbeet4133]

Yeah, it rocks

[@convolutedconcepts]

It's science.

[@rickn6923]

You can't kill the metal The metal will live on Punk Rock tried to kill the metal But they failed, as they were smite to the ground New wave tried to kill the metal But they failed, as they were stricken down to the ground Grunge tried to kill the metal, hahahahaha They failed, as they were thrown to the ground Aargh! yeah No one can destroy the metal The metal will strike you down with a vicious blow We are the vanquished foes of the metal We tried to win for why we do not know New wave tried to destroy the metal, but the metal had its way Grunge then tried to dethrone the metal, but metal was in the way Punk Rock tried to destroy the metal, but metal was much too strong Techno tried to defile the metal, but techno was proven wrong Yea! Metal! It comes from hell!

[@clevername4781]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@TurquoiseInk]

I always enjoy your videos so much, I end up rewatching them.

[@asaenvolk]

36 civilizations is a lot for a 4X game (such as Stellaris or Master of Orion)

[@liplessnavajo4011]

Eventually an interdimensional species will eat us

[@chiyayainthesea6386]

milky way servers will probably lag big time.

[@bigzed7908]

I wonder which one of them is a devouring swarm or a gestalt consciousness. Who even cares, we have SpeefingBrit to exploit this one as well 😂

[@unnamedchannel1237]

LiplessNavajo we are already living in their belly breaking down food for its energy ....

[@unnamedchannel1237]

Jhonny jhonny milky bar kid

[@jonathanlindsey463]

when i was in my first astronomy class at university we created out own drake equation with a lot of intense calculations, it took 4 chalk boards and 2 days to completely work it out.. the final product was 8500 civs in the milky way and the closest to us was 300 light years... so we r not meeting them anytime soon and maybe never

[@EingefrorenesEisen]

No, no, you're thinking of god.

[@jonathanlindsey463]

Urayis wish l alien civs exist FOR SURE.. i just don’t know if we will ever meet them.. i am certain we will find more then one in time and will attempt to communicate with them.. but meet? i do not think we will... the distances r just to vast.. if our equations were close to right then the closest civ to us is 3,600,000,000,000,000 km away or 1,800,000,000,000,000 miles.. just a short walk, right? our fastest current spaceship would take 3,750,000 years to get there haha

[@jonathanlindsey463]

PigeRævehale i said “not anytime soon and maybe never”... 300 lightyears is VERY far away to travel, even in the future when we r more advanced, especially if most physicists r right and we r never traveling faster then light speed

[@angelabroughton5980]

@@jonathanlindsey463 in the future we will bend and fold space. Instant travel.

[@angelabroughton5980]

@@jonathanlindsey463 in the future we will bend and fold space. Instant travel.

[@frenstcht]

Anton, you seem like one of the genuinely nicest people on KZbin.

[@Troglodytemtg]

The real question is this, are we the final form of civilization? Will we ascend from this dimension to another? Is it possible that other intelligent beings/civilizations have moved beyond the limits of this reality, making it impossible to communicate with us? Or is it possible that intelligence is not something that is needed or inevitable for the evolution of life?

[@underworldblu]

That might be edging on the metaphysical realm but quite an interesting concept.

[@leodefine86]

This is by far the best channel on youtube!

[@briancrane7634]

The Drake equation was always childishly over-simplified! Only a few terms...how about new terms: spinning liquid metallic core with strong magnetic field, only one rotationally stabilizing moon, guardian planet like Jupiter at the right distance, thick heavy wet atmosphere with liquid water on the surface...but not too much, infrequent asteroid impact...the list could go on forever...

[@ekorren]

Agreed. I think people are way too optimistic about the number of civilizations out there.

[@susanmaggiora4800]

Brian Crane I think Drake is probably better for trying to find primitive life. The time needed for intelligent life seems to take a long time, though perhaps that’s just a roll of the dice once you get to complex, multicellular life.

[@briancrane7634]

@k halliday true I'm sure there are hundreds of vital factors I can't even imagine...

[@teresinacalarieperez8162]

Hello Wonderful Anton!! I hope that you are doing good! It seems like you're doing really well on UTUBE!!! SO GLAD FOR YOU! You are so smart! I never miss a video. Thank you for all of the hard work!

[@coltonwilliams1565]

The goal shouldn’t be to find aliens, it should be to become a species that can live on multiple planets and in multiple star systems

[@complexity4525]

Its both

[@scottykilgore6966]

Why Not All of the above, Like we're doing Now! Explore Space learn All we can and answers will eventually come to us.

[@dauntemarieslettebak82]

I am tired of all the secrecy and cover ups of this profound data and discoveries! As everyone can benefit from advanced knowledge and other more advanced species and life out there! Sadly I feel the ET's would be more welcome to our planet, and visits here to earth if the earthlings weren't so violent and afraid of the unknown or new information! I feel they would feel more welcome if earthlings were kinder and gentler as a whole, and more accepting! Earth is not a higher level 6-10 planet! It is a lower level planet 3-5 level because of this fact! Sad! Earth is so lovely, and humans so great! We just need to evolve as a species in love and peace!

[@editorrbr2107]

They are concomitant goals. You can’t move to a new neighborhood unless you know what real estate is available

[@onepuff4364]

i guess then we become a type 3 civilazation who doesnt give a f...

[@bodyshoplaboratories501]

Or: every other extraterrestrial civilization is smart enough not to advertise their position to potentially hostile competitors.

[@Релёкс84]

What makes you think "hostile competitors" wouldn't already be here if such a thing existed in reach?

[@bodyshoplaboratories501]

@@Релёкс84 how many restaurants are in your own city that you have never eaten at? There are places near all of us that we never will get around to visit...then we try them for the first time.

[@joesubel]

If alien life had the technological means to harvest other planets for resources then why would they bother competing with us? There are literally trillions of uninhabited planets that these mfs could choose from, I wouldn't bother fighting a dog over a pizza roll when I could just go get one myself. If they did find us we'd be nothing more than just a passing fancy to them.

[@bodyshoplaboratories501]

@@joesubel ...Famous last words of so many native tribes of THIS world.

[@joesubel]

@@bodyshoplaboratories501 it's a different concept though. Earth at the time of colonization did not have an over abundance of vacant land rich in minerals that the colonizers could choose from and if they did have the choice to expanding their territory on vacant land they would've taken that choice over expending resources driving out natives from their land. This is what is unrealistic in alien movies, humans seem to try and picture the motives of a hypothetical intergalactic species on par of that of a humans, as if the two would think alike.

[@msanchez7317]

Scientist: 437 Constants later, the formula gives me the number I wanted! PUBLISH!

[@alanfoss3744]

Douglas Adams in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" says everything comes down to 42. So I believe that's the number of advanced civilizations. But this new study is pretty close.

[@ominousplatypus380]

The handling of the COVID pandemic has really made me question whether we can be considered an intelligent lifeform.

[@PegasiJay]

That applies to one country, one country doesn’t represent all of humans lol

[@ericochoa4034]

U mean China!

[@red_doggo7219]

My worst fear is that we live in some kind of alien wildlife refuge and that our radio signals and other attempts to contact other life are really just like some sort of incessant animal call that the aliens are just trying to ignore so they can get back to daily life. Maybe our first alien contact is just going to be something like an alien shouting at us to shut the hell up.

[@jwarmstrong]

Worst than that is Aliens who are not vegans - that come in peace until opening a Soylent Green factory...

[@piquat1]

I think once a civilization gets the ability to travel between stars it would really accelerate their advancement to the point where we'd be just plain boring. Imagine the things you could see and resources you could gather if you could travel light years in seconds. I wouldn't waste time with humans. Maybe send a few low level lab researchers there quietly. Not much to learn. Not much to gather. Just boring.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

lol.

[@rlopez2626]

I’m still a believer that we are not alone!

[@arturodelagarza3213]

YOU KNOW WHY WE ARE NOT ALONE, BECAUSE WE EXIST. NO MORE NO LESS.

[@iCore7Gaming]

@Baxter Powel but it will. Space travel unites people because it is our main desire to be curious

[@iCore7Gaming]

@Raskolnikov AI wouldn't be like Matrix or anything. AI would only become bad IF someone coded it do so.

[@Mortiis558]

We are definitely not alone in the galaxy or universe. But I highly doubt we have been visited by aliens.

[@Ian_Carolan]

@@iCore7Gaming Possibly. However we know that during the development process of software we see unexpected behavior 'bugs' that are then corrected. It is possible that during the development of AI we make a mistake that could have severe consequences. AI safety is a current serious topic and I can recommend a KZbinr Robert Miles as a good starting point on the discussion of AI safety.

[@generalyellor8188]

This is the most profound video I've ever stumbled upon. Just so sobering an explanation to why we aren't able to detect any other civilizations in all this enormous galaxy; mid-advanced civilizations like ours kill themselves with the technology they create before they're able to develop the technology that enables them to communicate their existence vast distances away.

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

At least when we are both worlds of ghosts, we can do no violence or enslavement to each other.

[@Gottaculat]

Could be we're the only ones this messed up, and we're the weird psycho planet in the corner making creepy passes at everyone, the planet that nobody wants to talk to because we scare the hell out of them.

[@oldman2800]

The fact that the distances between stars are so mind bogglingly vast that even our radio signals have virtually gone nowhere not to mention the inverse square law means they are already so pathetically weak as to be utterly undetectable

[@tomlol637]

I'm always so excited when I get notifications about your video's.

[@notsure1277]

"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" Congratulations. The authors of that paper have done exactly that.

[@wyldeman0O7]

Interstellar communication is impractical due to time delay and power needs and stumbling onto a weak alien signal by accident is unlikely. We could have potentially thousands of neighbors and never detect a signal.

[@absalomdraconis]

The real issue is a general expectation that long-lived interplanetary civilizations would eventually produce spectrally unusual structures as a side effect of optimizing their relation with the stars that they associate with, but we have currently seen no such spectrally unusual regions.

[@ostelaymetaule]

Looking at our progress in last 50 years or so, it is clear we had moved to a very different communication technology but still looking for stuff from 1950th. I bet 5g signal can't be detected on iss. And we definitely could have done the switch faster, giving us a time window of being visible in radio frequency for about 100 years top, switching after that to more effective transmission methods which are really hard to detect.

[@iCore7Gaming]

However there are ways to tell if a planet has life or not few various imaging methods

[@spockrising3208]

Quantum entanglement is a potential method. Particle spin would function similiar to digital code. 1 and 0's Instantaneous and infinite in range. You could never intercept such a signal as there would be none.

[@ostelaymetaule]

@@iCore7Gaming nah, we way to far to be able to detect anything but spectral lines of the light passing through the gases. It's not yet possible to tell if the C H O N molecules are of organic nature even.

[@CmdrPinkiePie]

The way I see it is, the fact that we’re even thinking about these possibilities and are developing tools to look for signs of intelligent life elsewhere shows we actually have the principal tools required to become an interplanetary & interstellar species: we have the curiosity, inventivity, intelligence, imagination, and problem-solving skills needed to get there. I do not think there are challenges too great for humans to overcome. Give us time and we will find a way.

[@wayneshirey6999]

If a civilization did survive for thousands of years, there's no reason to think they would continue to try to communicate with the rest of the universe. They could establish themselves on relatively nearby planets and consider what's happening thousands of light years away as irrelevant to their interests.

[@fomalhaut_the_great]

If, could. Therefore the opposite is possible too.

[@jochem1006]

it is more likely that they will, curiosity is key for expanding and space exploration.

[@iCore7Gaming]

Imagine like a robotic species that just consumes planets for their own functions and they don't give a damn what's on the planet. Pretty scary

[@unnamedchannel1237]

DanDeMan decepticons

[@wayneshirey6999]

@@fomalhaut_the_great aren't ifs and mights all we have on this particular subject?

[@Glennk1949]

I’m moving to Andromeda it’s getting too crowded in the Milky Way. 😂

[@organicgrow4440]

I’m going to Alpha Centauri

[@marinuslaurentius6032]

Better do it soon, Andromeda is moving closer and I expect it will drive up real estate like mad.

[@TheCalmProxy]

going back home to carcosa

[@ComradeOgilvy369]

Live long enough and you'll be right back here

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Eh just wait when the collision happens you may find your current neighborhood ends up in a better one. That or in a deadly star cluster.

[@AnaFolkenstal]

This is kinda sad. I'll go back to my sci-fi movies and stories now to lighten up a bit. Have a good day, everyone.

[@johnrasnick5791]

Yo I follow you on Insta. Love your skyrim content! It’s a strange coincidence that I’d be watching a video about how “alone” we are in the galaxy and see someone I know in the comments

[@russtriking3398]

MAYBE THEY ARE THINKING THE SAME LOOKING AT THE SAD POPULATION OF THIS PLANET & THAT IS WHY THEY STAY AT ARMS LENGTH!

[@rmmco]

Unfortunatly sci fi movies are full of violence where science is always relegated to a secondary plan except with The Martian and Interstellar.

[@russtriking3398]

@@rmmco I would think that is why they stay at ships length! We are a very violent being & fight what ever we don't understand without understanding!

[@tonywalker8030]

Once we colonies space, we will become aliens.

[@matttondr9282]

There’s also a huge assumption that all of these alien civilizations are roughly at the same stage of development. We might very well be millions of years too late or too early to be in a position where both of our civilizations are at the communication stage.

[@NexusGamingRadical]

Hey bruh. Love your vids. Just wanted to say I've never bought merch before. At least the yotuber/celeb or figure merch. But I bought yours today. Such a positive message you paint. Keep up the great work beautiful person!

[@oldblinddarby2498]

36 civilizations in this galaxy amounts to billions of civilizations in the observable universe

[@nicefloweytheoverseer7632]

Yup

[@sthembisomakelefane8727]

Unlikely

[@linzearth]

"They are all dead Dave. Dave they're all dead. "

[@dosmastrify]

Everybody's dead everybody is dead, Dave

[@musingartisan]

Wait a minute. Are you telling me that everybody's dead?

[@linzearth]

@@musingartisan LISTER, in the same pose as before, unfreezes. The door opens and he walks out. HOLLY: Good morning, Dave. It is now safe for you to emerge from stasis. LISTER: Haven’t I just gone in? HOLLY: Please proceed to the Drive Room for debriefing. LISTER walks down the corridor, looking around. As he enters the mess, he notices small piles of white powder on some of the tables. LISTER: Where is everybody, Hol? LISTER sticks his finger in one of the piles of white powder and tastes it. HOLLY: They’re dead, Dave. LISTER: Who is? HOLLY: Everybody, Dave. LISTER: What, Captain Hollister? HOLLY: Everybody’s dead, Dave. LISTER: What, Todhunter? HOLLY: Everybody’s dead, Dave. LISTER: What, Selby? HOLLY: They’re all dead. Everybody’s dead, Dave. LISTER is still trying to understand what HOLLY is saying. LISTER: Petersen isn’t, is he? HOLLY: Everybody is *dead*, Dave. LISTER: Not Chen? HOLLY: Gordon Bennett! Yes! Chen, everybody. Everybody’s dead, Dave. LISTER: Rimmer? HOLLY: He’s dead, Dave. Everybody’s dead. Everybody is dead, Dave! LISTER: Wait. Are you trying to tell me everybody’s dead? HOLLY: I wish I’d never let him out in the first place.

[@Zappina]

They are dead, Jim.

[@linzearth]

@@Zappina It's Life Jim, but not as WE know it.

[@Crackhouts]

Other conclusions: They communicate using something other than radio. They don't want to be found.

[@davewilson13]

They may also develop point to point communication that doesn’t “leak” into space for very long.

[@disposabull]

Exactly, I've pointed this out numerous times when I've talked to people about SETI. Right now we are looking for patterns in radio radiation because that is our most advanced communication tech at the moment. We have moved from analog radio to encrypted digital communication in under 50 years, the rest of the galaxy may be a little more or far more advanced and not understand why us stupid turd flinging monkeys are search for comms signals in radio waves. If a chimpanzee throws a turd at you do you sniff it to see if the monkey is trying to communicate via smell or do you think "ewwww gross, primitive monkey" and go back to your iphone?

[@russtriking3398]

WE BADLY ASSUME THAT ANY OTHER CIVILIZATIONS DEVELOP IN THE SAME WAY WE DO. JUST THINK IF ONE MAJOR THING THAT HAPPENED CENTURIES AGO DIDN'T HAPPEN OR HAPPENED WITH A DIFFERENT OUTCOME LIKE THE METEOR THAT KILLED THE DINOSAURS OR WE NEVER WERE ABLE TO BREATH OXYGEN & ONLY METHANE? THAT WOULD CLEAR UP MY ALLERGIES!

[@trstmeimadctr]

Man, imagine how much the universe sucks if WE are the lucky ones

[@zinedinezethro9157]

God has chosen the wrong civilization to survive

[@lorenztheilkas5974]

Zinedine Zethro we wont.... not for far too long anymore

[@katieandkevinsears7724]

It's only our negative attitudes holding us back. I personally feel lucky to be alive and healthy.

[@MarsStarcruiser]

@@zinedinezethro9157 Well of course he chose exactly who imagined him... Because better civilizations don't need "God" to fill in the gaps

[@zinedinezethro9157]

@Kevin Warburton i, i highly doubt that. But doesn't mean it's impossible.

[@Jason5000]

It's amazing just how many people are curious about these subjects... I don't think growing up it was as popular as it is now & that's a good thing 🌎

[@hellskitchen10036]

I was born in the 1940's and I don't think a day has gone by that I haven't thought about these things.

[@criticalmak5329]

I only found your channel very recently but I really like your videos, so far. Thanks.

[@CW-xw9rd]

Thank you Anton. You know that many of them have all ready been visiting us.

[@mo-s-]

Maybe. Show me proof :)