Powerful Arm Action in the Golf Swing 💪🏼

In today’s video, we dive deep into the role of the arms in the golf swing. We hope this video helps realize that the role of rotation in the golf swing is not to NOT USE the arms, but to USE THE ARMS MORE EFFECTIVELY. This is a major key.
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[@incredulous1]

Not sure there's any better golf coaching content around right now. This all just makes so much sense and having that space out in front is definitely something I've struggled with 👍👏👊

[@elitegolfschools]

You’re the man. Glad it’s helping so much 🙏

[@stan06426]

Best explanation I’ve ever heard! WOW!

[@jrcsamad]

It's engaging how enthusiastic this teacher is about sharing knowledge.

[@golfweed9947]

This video, "Powerful Arm Action", and the "Hub vs Club" video are "MUST SEE" golf swing information. I'll be reviewing them daily till the concepts are burn into my mind and hopefully my swing! If I were younger I'd move to AZ for weekly lessons! Thanks Guys!!

[@elitegolfschools]

Thanks so much for the kind words!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@Baliol]

I stumbled across this website about three weeks ago…. Shot 86 earlier this week after hovering in the mid 90’s for years and I know with a bit more play and practice with this system my score will be lowered… first time I’ve ever had confidence in a swing motion… I know the Elite system works… it’s like the secret sauce that I’ve been missing to put together all those lessons and videos that I struggled with for years. Thanks to the Elite team for sharing the inside story of the golf swing.

[@elitegolfschools]

Oh man did you ever make our day!! Absolutely love hearing the success that you’re having!!! Please keep us posted as you work thorough this! ❤️❤️🙏

[@bobwayne5965]

Great content and so spot on! I had a three day one on one instruction series from an Aussie named Bradley Hughes. Watching this video brought back so many similar teaching thoughts that Bradley was trying to get across to me. He was a great player in his own right. It is so eye opening that it was similar and yet I totally didn't really understand it all until seeing this video. It's as if the puzzle pieces finally fit together to make a picture of complete sense to me and I wanted to thank the crew at Elite golf. Love the site and keep up the awesome work. Thanks again.

[@austinrogers9216]

Absolutely crazy that this is free content. Some of the best golf swing instruction I’ve seen. Keep doin what you’re doin guys 🤙🏼

[@jerreddenton4862]

Y’all are terrific! I’ve been trying for ten years to shallow the club without manually using the forearms and wrists. I knew I was doing something wrong but never found anyone who could explain it. Never thought of it coming from the lead shoulder. I can’t think of a more counter intuitive body movement. Now please delete this video and don’t tell anyone else!😉 Keep up the good work!

[@elitegolfschools]

You're the best! Thank you for the kind words!

[@pohoresky]

One of the best classic videos out there on how to manage your space and hit the ball..

[@trev_941]

Good for TJ, he’s always on his toes and ready to answer Riley’s off-the-wall questions like ‘how do you define arms?’ 😂

[@elitegolfschools]

Hahaha! Gotta be prepared bro!

[@TheGHINger]

You guys are providing the best content out there right now. Keep it up. If you build it they will come!

[@Slicedbre4d]

Great lesson guys! Love the detail.

[@barreview]

Excellent explanation! Please keep up the good work.

[@mquettan3]

This was the EXACT video that I needed. I was doing lead shoulder flexion into adduction to shallow and getting stuck and flipping and getting just beyond frustrated with trying to stop my flip and finding it impossible. I've never felt so good through impact after trying this at home. I cannot wait to get to a range! I gotta watch this video like 10 times to make sure I got it all.

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes!! Go grind bro 👌🏼

[@mquettan3]

@@elitegolfschools Update. I made it to the range. Dear lord this video solved SO MANY problems for me. Almost 200 balls and only 1 slice because of a heel strike. The face just doesn't move! A heap of fats/thins but I still gotta fix a bit of an early extension, re-figure out good ball position after this swing change, and the transition (P5.5) doesn't feel natural yet so not a tour pro after one range session but progress was made baby! Let's go! I'm not lost anymore! I'll be a tour pro NEXT range session for sure 😅

[@dennis1119]

Thank you for this whole series of in- depth instruction! I love that you guys take the time to really explain things. You're like listening to a long-form podcast vs just a sound bite! I've been so confused by transition and the forces that make it happen. I have chased the trail elbow creating it but w/o the arms staying up, you just get pulling. I was intrigued by an earlier vid that talked about the 'Orion's Belt' created by the lead elbow. This vid takes it a couple of steps further! Sorry, I need to stop writing and get to the Range to work on this!

[@elitegolfschools]

Let us know how it goes bro!! Glad you’re enjoying

[@gerardbench1987]

Great lesson fellows. clear and concise

[@justinmckinlay]

Thanks guys. This was an unlock for me. I'll work on it.

[@wjtaylor80]

No hyperbole. Best explanation ever for arm structure and delivery.

[@shaunmccann8067]

Great video! So good!

[@Jamruns]

BEST VIDEO EVER!! I love you guys. You have no idea how long I have been trying to figure this out on my own.

[@elitegolfschools]

We love you! Keep it uo

[@golfweed9947]

The best explanation of arm movement I've ever seen. I've experienced these successful arm movements without understanding what exactly I was doing and attributing that success to the wrong things! Makes it virtually impossible to duplicate from day to day. Sometimes you stumble into the correct movement and sometimes not. Thanks!!!!! MORE PLEASE!!!

[@elitegolfschools]

We’ll keep it up man. Thank you so much!

[@jasminesdad0401]

Truth right there!

[@alexander.aichelburg654]

Definitely THE best content!

[@andrewwareing6419]

An excellent video well explained and demonstrated. This is exactly the pattern my coach is trying to get me to follow. The slow drill is brilliant and helps me understand where in space my arms and club should be throughout. Awesome job guys.

[@elitegolfschools]

Fantastic! Let us know how it goes!!!

[@paulbanney9881]

Wow. Excellent. Thank you 🙏

[@tomn5188]

I feel redundant - wonderful job again! Despite many lessons I have always remained confused about the arms. I took these new insights to the range and hit many impressive shots with a very this simplified motion. Thanks guys.

[@elitegolfschools]

Excellent! So happy we can help! Hit them well!

[@chrischiu100]

Helped me tremendously. All your videos 👍👍👍 Many thanks

[@elitegolfschools]

What wonderful news! Please keep us posted on your progress as you work through these ideas

[@beachwelcome]

I am hooked. Great lesson

[@elitegolfschools]

Welcome aboard!

[@AaronShaHome]

Very great tutorial !

[@thurlestonetennis2447]

A great follow up to your Hub Path v Club Path, clears up so many, of my, misconceptions in transition. Never get stuck again!

[@elitegolfschools]

No stuck gang 👌🏼🔥

[@SoulJiuJitsu]

Wow! By FAR the best instructional I've come across. Explained everything about the moment of impact that had escaped me until now. Thank you for this!

[@elitegolfschools]

So glad you enjoyed brotha

[@thanhvuong4303]

Thank you so much! I am very happy.

[@elitegolfschools]

You’re welcome!

[@MikeKnox-dl4gr]

I love it. I'm getting it! 😊

[@elitegolfschools]

Let’s goooo!!

[@user-jr4ev2iz9p]

One of the best golf videos I've ever seen! Great tips

[@elitegolfschools]

So glad you enjoyed

[@user-li8lh1pd4k]

incredibly insightful!

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you!!

[@MrMikeRodriguez]

This is a really well explained concept. I love how clear it is to understand.

[@elitegolfschools]

Much appreciated!

[@seanpace4185]

Great explanation gentlemen…as always.

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you sean 🙏

[@johnprice1950]

Emmanual del a Torre, golf instructor emeritus, taught the arms controlled the downswing, Your instruction goes beyond identifying what the arms should be doing. Simply brilliant. Grateful for your expertise, continually following.

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you for the kind words!!! You’re the best!!!!

[@tomeldridge2915]

Okay,right elbow. This has been super helpful. I would like to one thing that I was missing and found on another video. It was demonstrated that when the club is level to ground on follow through the right elbow is inside the right shoulder. A no brainer, right. Not for me, I was extending my arms down the target line. Now by assuring the elbow is inside the right shoulder I am exiting left as is said to be proper. Thank you for setting me on a path to improved ball striking.

[@rolandbeuckeleers2711]

Each video gettin better and better.. wow great stuff ... i m a addict🙏🙏💪🙏

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you so much!

[@inconspicuouslynotthere]

Great Visualization at 8:20 mark ! You guys do a great job of taking a very anatomical approach and giving a great visual to help simplify. Again great video and hope you guys keep doing you and uploading when you can, Cheers!

[@elitegolfschools]

We’ll keep it up man! Thank you for following along!

[@NGOC_MAI_Bong]

I like the reasons and science behind the action you teach!

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you 🙏

[@teddyyoon3101]

I have always tried to get into the same p5 position as you guys show at 12:25 but the club came way too under my plane and my miss was a nasty duck hook. This video combined with the rib sway / drop lets me know that i was not ever getting my sacrum rotated away from the target and it was just my arms shallowing the club and getting stuck in transition and flipping my hands through impact. THANK YOU

[@kenumbarger9919]

Awesome breakdown of how to hit a golf ball . Very helpful ❤

[@elitegolfschools]

Glad it helped!

[@jonsmith9424]

Another super video. What @inncredulous1 said below. I struggle with the anatomy stuff so I went straight back to your medicine ball video and it connected the two for me. Who doesn’t get ‘out in front’. Tx again

[@dderrig]

Nothing can touch this instruction that I have seen anywhere, it’s well presented/explained and just makes sense. I would be very interested to see one of the older renowned instructors like Manzela /Harmon etc. comment on what you guys are doing!

[@elitegolfschools]

You're the best! Thank you so much! And have communicated the slightest bit with Manzela. Super interested in he and Jacobs' research. Very cool stuff!

[@JohnWilliams-ov4ur]

I dont usually comment on stuff like this but this is without a doubt the most helpful golf video i have ever watched. Thanks a ton for this and given that today was the first day i tried to replicate this on the course, i would say that i played ok. Felt like i had almost total command of my golf swing. Needs work of course but on a good path! Thanks a ton!

[@elitegolfschools]

Wonderful my man so glad it helped!

[@mattgordon3437]

Watching this for the second time now. So interesting.

[@elitegolfschools]

Right on brother! 🙏🙏

[@cmarcelo123]

Love the scientific manner in which the swing is broken down. Great job!

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you!

[@ladypro1234]

You guys rock!

[@elitegolfschools]

Appreciate you

[@Abrian4golf]

A PGA pro from Australia was teaching me this I didn't have time to work with him a whole bunch. The dynamic golf swing theory works. Now I can rope studies again, thank you much.

[@elitegolfschools]

Good stuff bro!

[@grumpygiraffe6318]

Aaaaand subscribed 💯🤙🏼🔥

[@elitegolfschools]

Lesgo 🔥

[@OfCourseICan]

You guys have been priceless for my golf knowlege and improvement! Not sure how I missed this, but this video is my missing link. I had issues getting my pelvis down by the way I was shallowing but I feel the arm action you describe makes it so much easier. Down to 14 from 21: Single figures here I come. Grateful Aussie.

[@elitegolfschools]

Let’s go man!!

[@philipbierdeman9907]

Amazing!

[@elitegolfschools]

🙏 thank you

[@dwintablet]

I have never wanted to donate to content creators but these tips are gold. I really do for these guys.

[@elitegolfschools]

Wow! What incredibly kind words!! I tell you what you can do that would make us super pumped…. Go play phenomenal golf, that’s what would make us truly happy 🙏🙏❤️

[@ChrisP834]

Thank you so much, again! I’ve been incorporating you method, but I lacked a little of the punch you mentioned. Can’t wait to….

[@elitegolfschools]

Keep grinding bro 👌🏼

[@ryannelson8619]

Wow, this is like what I have been trying to get out of instructors for like 10 years! Telling them that I can’t get my arms to the ball with simply rotating. amazing video. Great work. I knew the arms did more than just hang back while you rotate.

[@elitegolfschools]

Right on! Hit them well!

[@davidconners]

i've seen this swing explained multiple times on youtube by different instructors, including Milo Lines, no one has explained it as well as this. I tend to spin out & push the ball right (as a right hander), the only way to fix it was to flip the club or really push from my front foot to release the club, this movement seems game changing, will try it at the range!

[@elitegolfschools]

Glad it’s helping you bri

[@glenwhitlock6788]

This is the piece is the swing I've been missing 🎉

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes!!

[@bf2539]

I’ve watched pretty much all your videos and I was hoping on this one which was really good. How do you control a fade a draw other forms of movement of the ball in the movement you’re showing us. Most the shots that I have seen to promote a draw me and straight, but not sure how to do a fade with it.

[@jimthomas1759]

Wow - what a crazy feel to have the lead arm horizontal and the club perpendicular to spine in transition. Definitely feel it in the side bend. Hopefully an aha moment. 😮🎉

[@fjm4440]

Hey Guys…feels reeeeslly good!

[@elitegolfschools]

Let’s goooo!!

[@jdostergolfvlogs5281]

This is so high level. I am 99.999% sure I could never fix my mistake without having you with me in person. Definitely struggle with this.

[@VoodooZ]

Amazing stuff as usual! Would you say this is the same movement DJ has? Except perhaps he pre-sets it during his takeaway? Loving this stuff about "hitting".. as I come from a hockey background and I've always fought between pulling and hitting...Being a right handed person but playing golf left-handed is not helping the situation (although hockey does reinforce a non-dominant trail arm hitting motion)

[@noelmanansala2692]

Cannot believe how hard it is to play golf!

[@THUNDERIN78]

I am really enjoying this channel. Really great detailed content. You mention that the ‘Club System’ is designed to where the center of mass (the club head more or less) is to be taken above the plane going back, under coming down, & out going through. Can you elaborate on why/how that has been determined through the clubs design? Have you already done a video on hand path VS club head path? I feel like you may have, I just can’t place it at the moment… I’ll have to start from video 1 to your most recent release 😊 😆 These videos are great. Also, do determine a persons swing plane to run up from the hozel of the club up through the players right elbow? Keep up the great work.

[@THUNDERIN78]

I just answered one of my own questions through your video ‘ Hub Path vs. Club Path’ Great video

[@joecontreras3175]

Hi, Please explain the arm movement and what does it mean keeping it in front of you. What is an indicator if this is being done right?

[@mharbaugh]

That movement of the lead elbow moving up and out to the left to shallow was amazing. I'm trying to remember - didn't Moe Norman teach that same thing? I think he used to say he liked to pretend he was trying to hit the ball with the backside of the club face. I always thought it was odd that everyone acknowledges Moe Norman is perhaps the greatest ball striker of all time, yet almost nobody teaches his method, and in fact a lot of the current teaching out there is the opposite of what he was advocating. What you guys have going here is really special, and I can't wait to work my way through all your videos.

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you 🙏 moe is a legend

[@KallRamanathan]

Thanks a ton for this eye-opening (popping 😊) video 👍🏼. Question: how does the arm structure work beyond impact through to full finish?

[@elitegolfschools]

Glad you enjoyed! I would check out the video “Un-Loading the Spiral Line” to get a sense of your question 👍

[@kmdplumbing5351]

Hey just started watching your videos over the wk end ! Unbelievable stuff I’m blown away !! Do you guys do online coaching? Like on Skillest??

[@elitegolfschools]

Than you so much! Glad you’re enjoying it! And yes we do. If you click on our bio you’ll see a link to our virtual programs. Submit a contact submission on there and we will get back to you asap!

[@sd1132]

In a previous video, didn’t you guys say that the shallowing move was done by the ribs not the arms?

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes! If you use the ribs then you’ll see the arms act in this way and if you use the arms in this way you’ll see the ribs operate in the way we said we prefer in the previous video. Either focus point can work well for players 🙏

[@robertmogridge9523]

Hi, thanks for the great stuff. When I slow down TJ's swings in the video, although awesome, it doesn't look much like what you are describing to us. His shaft is much steeper and lead arm is very close to his chest. My question is, are the positions discussed more of a feeling rather than reality? Many thanks.

[@elitegolfschools]

Yep, agreed. Difference between static and dynamics. Also, most players add in adduction in transition and can be detrimental to their golf swing. Moving the lead arm in this fashion can help balance out the players’ system nicely 👍

[@juanbotha6634]

Hi. Thanks for this awesome video. Can you do a video to explain “rotation” in complete golf swing? How to properly “rotate”? I think the word rotate actually cause many problems. Rgrds

[@leshooton]

Great video!! As usual. I struggle with at impact arms and body are going inward left (my perception) but clubhead is moving outward. What body component creates the action making the club head going out wards. As always..appreciated!

[@elitegolfschools]

Preference is trail wrist extension to flexion 🙏

[@user-rx1wy7mx6k]

Another great vid. I need to do some online lessons with you. I shank the ball some and have been told my hands get outside where they started and it is caused in my transition where they go out too much. Seems like this move could easily cause my hands to get out quickly as well. So if I start shanking when trying it what could be some things to look for?

[@elitegolfschools]

Definitely about managing the com of the club and the hub path through the strike to line everything up. Curve the hub and that will manage your impact space better 🙏

[@danielwenderlich3438]

Great info, certainly good stuff. Just a question when the lead elbow raises to shallow the club and bring the trail elbow down and in , what the brings the club down and around? Is it the lead elbow now rotation towards the lead hip?

[@elitegolfschools]

The com of the club will be dropping because of this arm action plus drop in the pelvis so the forces in the club at already going down bc of this, simply turn the chest to match it up at the strike

[@jeremyrolfe6386]

Great video and helpful as I am one of those that gets stuck. I do have a question in regards to staying connect. A lot of information out there discusses staying connect (like glove under lead shoulder drill), I find it hard to do this shallowing lead shoulder move without disconnecting a bit. Do I disregard being connected or is the thought to do this move with the lead shoulder while staying connect?

[@elitegolfschools]

Not gunna lie… not a fan of the towel drill, glove drill, and anything of the like for rotational golf swings 🙏

[@charlessmith5346]

Sweet!

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you!

[@ryannelson8619]

Awesome!! I feel like my right elbow flies on backswing. Are you letting you trail elbow fold going back?

[@elitegolfschools]

Correct 👍

[@jayschwarz4365]

For those of us trying to make a more rotational swing, besides your YT channel and Milo's are there any other key channels that we need to pay attention to?

[@JJBIRDIEGOLF]

I need to fly in and take some lessons!!!

[@elitegolfschools]

Anytime! Would be honored to work with you 🙏🙏

[@stan06426]

How does the club head get down to the ball to create a center hit with a forward leaning shaft? Is there any conscious effort or does it happen spontaneously? Love it!

[@elitegolfschools]

Ribs pressure forward in transition, big part of shaft lean 🙏

[@grovercarter1126]

Sir! Are you saying you should feel as if you’re hitting off your trail side due to the amount of turn in downswing?.

[@kurthansen2787]

Lifer 75-85 sometimes the timing is there (75) and sometimes it isn’t(85)! Ain’t no 65’s over here … until TJ gets me locked in on the FaceTime this week! Can’t wait man!

[@mikecaparco3933]

This is finally the drill that can help. Been stuck for 3 years. No coach has spotted it despite me mentioning it. Do you offer lessons. On line ?

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes! Elitegolfofco.com

[@willchulamanis-vd8bq]

This is so good. I’ve been a player that has gotten my right arm (elbow sensor) way behind me which caused me to use my hands and shoot the energy out to the right resulting in pushes and hooks if I over used the hands. My question is when do you let the arms fully extend? When I make this move and keep the arms in front of the body it seems very body driven which is fine for a fade pattern but how do you play a draw. Are the hands involved at all? You guys are the best….Great content!

[@elitegolfschools]

Arms fully extend shortly after impact (roughly p8)

[@sergegamelin7495]

I've been playing golf for 54 years and have a 5 handicap, and I am ''technical''. But this guy Riley Andrews is ''wow' technically. What a great understanding of body anatomy related to golf swing. Never learned so much in one video. Have been trying to swing all my life without noticing the movement of my scapula region. I thought that region did not move!!!

[@elitegolfschools]

So much movement in the scaps!! Glad you enjoyed

[@593summersound]

Awesome content! Haven’t seen anyone describe the swing like you guys! I’m curious about the combination of lead arm flexion and internal rotation and how it appears to make the trail wrist look flexed and bowed through transition. Can see it clearly around 12:16 when Riley demonstrates. So many instructors comment on this bowed wrist at the top and how many top pros have this in their swing. Koepka, DJ, Hovlund, etc. Am I seeing active wrist movement or am I just now seeing the flexion/internal rotation combo that gives the appearance of the bowed wrist you always read about? It’s much easier to do the flexion/IR combo than actively bowing the wrist, IMHO. Great stuff and it really makes you think!

[@593summersound]

Sorry…i meant lead wrist😂

[@djelalhassan7631]

Great

[@Orthoshooter]

I’m always shocked at your context guys. Great work! I’ve golfed for 40 years and the thought of lead arm abduction and trail arm adduction in regards to arm action is in stark contrast to my pull as hard as you can with you left arm from the top instincts. I almost instantaneously noted improved club face stability and center strikes much more regularly. I found that perhaps a minimal drop in club head speed was accompanied by a much more efficient strike and more consistent carry numbers. Keep up the amazing content!!

[@elitegolfschools]

So glad it helped you bro!

[@Pseudify]

It’s insane that there are less than 8 thousand subs on this channel!

[@user-gh6uj3vb1t]

I understand how the ab/aduct action applies force. Not sure how the vector force has direction? Any sequence to the ab/ad action, does the shoulder line align to the target for a length time or maybe experiment to time the release for efficient direction. Experimenting but not great results. Your thoughts please. Thanks

[@sghsdgdfg]

What do you guys think about keeping the left elbow point at the target through impact and beyond like bryson dechambeau talks about.

[@elitegolfschools]

Definitely a cool map! Can be good if matched up properly

[@soupra22]

Great stuff! Does Brooks Koepka fall into this pattern?

[@elitegolfschools]

Absolutely 🙏

[@9zhivago]

Freedom! I have literally not known what to do with the arms. Drag those buggers through as I rotate? Blast them over the top to pull like no one has ever pulled before? Tried it all but could not figure it out. Then I watched this video and…I’ve found my special purpose.

[@jiaweiwang6994]

Everything super helpful! I feel easier to implement it to irons but harder for drivers. Any suggestions?

[@elitegolfschools]

Watch the driver vs. wedge video for some further background 🙏

[@jiaweiwang6994]

@@elitegolfschools thanks! What about weight transfer during swing?

[@jacksonracing51]

Is there a break down or explanation of each of the positions that’s being mentioned? P5, P3.5, etc.

[@cswjohnni]

Great video, with the hands arms at P5.5, I have a tendency just using hands to throw the club and body and chest stop rotating which result hands arena moving faster than body and chest. Because I feel almost hands are dominate my swing. Is there any way to resolve this? Thank you so much. 😊

[@elitegolfschools]

Feel like the chest wins the race to finish, instead of arms/hands 👍🏼

[@77bovi]

Great lesson, ty. Gonna see if you have a lesson on the hands-forearms. Though what if I'm not keen on the swing of Joaquin mito and hovland? Seems a lot of special flexibility that wont translate well as one ages. Joaquin consulted mike Adam's with concerns on this very matter. I guess Viktor's movement seems the best on body among the 3 for longevity. Saw a 74 y.o man with 2 really bad knees in braces, 10% body rotation, swing L to L all arms 175m with great accuracy and height and his friend mid 60s with what one would say is an full body, swing arms taut going 125m using the same club. It really got me thinking.

[@elitegolfschools]

Every golf swing is about match ups, no doubt. We’re simply speaking on highly rotational actions and their match ups

[@tomkoss07]

Quick question for the lead arm internal rotation during transition: It obviously shallows the club a bit, but also opens the face. What’s the best way to counter this (or square the face with minimal manipulation)?

[@elitegolfschools]

May need to manage your wrist conditions in the backswing so the face is a bit more shut to begin with. Also: get comfortable squaring the face through chest rotation 🙏

[@JohnFPrice-oh2pt]

Bradley Hughes teaches a similar swing method. You folks explain the technique exceptionally better. Your anatomy based instruction leaves few questions, with detailed demonstrations are clearly understood after one gets Riley's lingo.

[@elitegolfschools]

Much appreciated my man 🙏

[@djajeb]

I’ve used the ball between my arms for so long I’m having to struggle with this new arm movement.

[@elitegolfschools]

We hear that a lot!