World Class Grip

Today we dive deep into WHY having a world class grip is so important. There are so many correlations the grip has to proper movement and so many ways you can go wrong before the golf swing has even begun. This is SO IMPORTANT for building a golf swing from the ground up!
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[@baseballehs3]

The part about having the club sit in the middle digit and only the first two joints of the index/pointer finger wrapping around the club was very helpful also a big key to not roll the forearms in the takeaway. Overall a very well detailed yet easy to understand video, don't be afraid to keep doing deep dives into topics because more people would become better at golf if they understood the swing as a system of movement rather than trying to patch things together chasing some "magical" tip or drill.

[@elitegolfschools]

You’re the man. We agree! No “magic” tips, just magic in the student’s application and adherence to principles over time 🙏

[@nelsonjames1272]

So true. I was talked into going into a midsize grip a few years ago. I had this thing in my head that I needed it after a while as I adjusted to it but something always felt like it was too much work. I got totally messed up in the rabbit hole of tinkering and whatnot. Long story short I’m a standard size period, and after a lot of work I have my swing and feel back.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@nelsonjames1272 that’s fantastic news!! Grip size is definitely a huge piece to fit to a sustem

[@Haraczr]

Saw you guys with Milo a few months ago and enjoyed it. This content series your doing really clarifies a lot of things and makes some of the stuff with Milo make more sense. Thank you for doing it.

[@justinswearengin5912]

Solid freaking video boys. Explanations are so easy to understand. 🔥

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you!

[@JohnFPrice-oh2pt]

The best instruction I've experienced in my 50. years of golf.Just the greatest, never struck the ball so well and understood why it worked. Thankyou

[@elitegolfschools]

Thanks man!

[@rusty1043]

The best video I have seen on grip. I now realize why I have a tendency to hit toe shots - my right hand is too strong. One of the best rounds I’ve ever had I played with a Rory type grip (strong left, weak right) and flushed everything.

[@elitegolfschools]

Yessir! Thanks 🙏

[@danielmajor1015]

Can you guys do something on proper golf posture?

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes!

[@steveross7152]

Amazing delivery of the content! Coming from someone who's addicted to trying to learn more to improve my game you guys are putting out the best content and explanations I've seen! Thanks!!

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you bro 🙏

[@MrMikeRodriguez]

I agree that the content is great.

[@1516Taylor]

Help! Your channel is the very best! Your communication and demonstration is unparalleled. I have arthritis in 3 joints of my lead thumb and any pressure from my trail right hand on my lead left thumb is very painful. I golf 6 days a week and I love the sport and deal with the pain. When the pain is too much, I cannot follow your grip instructions because the pressure on my lead thumb causes too much pain. I then use a baseball grip with my lead left hand to keep the trail right hand off my lead thumb. I still overlap my lead left index finger with my trail little finger. This grip separates the space between my lead left thumb and left index finger. The swing is strong and without pain, but my consistent miss is a straight push to the right. Any instruction is greatly appreciated!

[@meadsg]

I am really enjoying your channel and the way you talk about the swing.

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you so much!

[@garyflesher1752]

Finely, someone explained the reason for gripping the club in a manner that makes sense . Bravo!

[@elitegolfschools]

Much appreciated man! Glad it helped!

[@tjbooger2508]

Love the content lately! First saw you guys with coach Milo. You guys and Milo are my go to for all things swing. Again, would just like to say thank you for sharing your knowledge! My quest to having a simple, rotational golf swing continues. Stand and flip has got to go LOL

[@elitegolfschools]

Love this! Thanks for the kind words man!

[@luicwadrian]

Awesome content on how to start the grip, especially feel like the strong lead weak trail hand pattern stabilizes the club face too. Thanks for all the awesome content. Quick follow up is which fingers do you feel the most pressure in the swing? thumb and index on both hands? or more in the lead back 3 fingers and the middle and ring finger on the trail hand?

[@gunghogolf]

Great deep dive on the grip, and I appreciate you using proper anatomical terms. Just one correction on what you said at 5:24: you had "digits" and "phalanges" reversed. Each finger is a digit, and each digit is comprised of three phalanges.

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you for the clarification 🙏

[@gregoryedwards8781]

For someone whose been piecing together a swing as a hobby this video is incredible. Thank you!

[@elitegolfschools]

Let’s go bro! Thank you!

[@permission2rock494]

Fabulous explanation. Last 3 vids you’ve done. Footwork and full coil whilst at p2 kinda has made me a lot cooler during transition. Gonna implement new grip today. Left guild / right leverage. Never got left arm throwing frisbee method whatsoever. This Works with my 🎾 coach / player previous. Thank you

[@elitegolfschools]

You’re welcome dude!

[@TheBirdieparbirdie]

What a great video! I really enjoy listening to you talk through these concepts. I've recently switched to your "preferred" grip, i.e. strong lead/neutral trail, and I've seen my rather severe several-year golfer's elbow nearly disappear. Note that I've done everything recommended by experts as far as rehab, consistently without much recovery. My theory is that I was continually re-injuring my elbow because of the nature of my swing and grip. I haven't quite figured it out, but with a very "neutral" grip it felt like I had to "crank" really hard at the bottom to deloft my irons. In any event ... also, I love the Orion's Belt metaphor. I've never heard that. It's a really good reminder not to shallow by extending the lead wrist but via supination of the forearm aided by thoracic rib bend. Awesome stuff. Thanks again!

[@elitegolfschools]

Glad it’s helping you bro!!

[@StephenPhelps-s8y]

Love it guys!! FYI the radial head is proximal not distal💪🏼

[@elitegolfschools]

👌🏼

[@GoodKounsel]

Thanks gentlemen! This just helped me a lot!

[@elitegolfschools]

Glad it helped!

[@dennissmith1904]

Recently discovered your channel and I am loving it. I tend to play with a strong lead and trail hand which a think sometimes causes my excessive hooks. My trail hand ( right) is partially fused so have limited mobility in all directions. I find with it being weaker on the backswing I have trouble keeping my palm on the grip. Do you have any recommendations?

[@elitegolfschools]

Definitely interesting for sure! Don’t need to leverage it a ton to get the loads you need. More of a Stricker look at the top would most likely help you. Big chest rotation with smaller amount of wrist load 🙏

[@12piecebucket]

These videos are fantastic 2 questions old golfing machine cat…1 flat left wrist according to tgm is an alignment of the shaft moving in line with the left arm like hammering you just hammer on a different plane in golf…so the wrist anatomy will be different to comply with alignment hence fleetwood cupping…question do y’all like going wrist fully uncocked thru ball? 2 that shallowing thing keeping the stars in line was great so does that come with some rotation in the humerus too?

[@elitegolfschools]

Yeah! We like full release through the strike, generally feels great to the athlete. Also, definitely leaks into the humerus a bit. Good question!

[@Chillax759]

I’ve been playing golf less than 2 yrs. I have a grip pretty much as you describe, but with it slightly stronger than neutral. I’m generally hitting the ball where I aim it in my stance. Q: I would like to begin learning how to draw and fade the ball. Would I do this by strengthening and weakening my grip? Thanks!

[@elitegolfschools]

@@Chillax759 we definitely have videos on here describing controlling the ball! And I would definitely not suggest altering grip to work the ball ❤️🙏

[@andybecker5001]

Awesome and complete explanation

[@elitegolfschools]

Thanks man! 🙏

[@ayotollaofrockandrolla7219]

The prayer grip Victor Rodriquez showed me is so vital. And keep that structure for the whole swing

[@elitegolfschools]

🙏

[@huseyinigdirlispiralswing]

İ feel great with strong trail hand in chipping but kind of neutral may be weaker grip in normal iron and wood shots... Does it sound logical from the point of golf mechanics? Thanks a lot...

[@huseyinigdirlispiralswing]

İ am taking about GRIP...

[@elitegolfschools]

You’re probably setting up with the trail humerus addicted and externally rotates in chipping to create that look. It can work it’s just a blocking pattern 👍

[@danielwenderlich3438]

Great video, I enjoy how deep you get into you explanation. I understand the strong or stronger lead hand grip. But I have found with my trail hand if I have a weaker grip I tend to rotate the hand over. Could you explain what I may be doing wrong? When you have a weaker trail grip should the the elbow be facing your more to your body and not to right of your body , I noticed in the video during the downswing the trail elbow leads down and comes in towards the hip pocket .

[@elitegolfschools]

I would imagine it has to do with how you’re setting the wrist structure in the backswing. I would watch our video on Club Face Stability to understand this fully 👍🏼

[@Chriscappuccilli]

The butt end should point above or at belt line or in between forearms at set you to stay in balance with leverage points and complete Orion’s Belt right?

[@Prophecy23JC]

Any negative impact on keep some separation between index and thumb of lead hand?

[@edboczek9939]

Help! At 14:00 in vid. Discussing shaft points between center chest and inside lead elbow. When in the swing??? Address? Impact??

[@Igat1976]

🤯From the grip to Orion belts..love the explanation

[@elitegolfschools]

So glad you enjoyed!

[@juanbotha6634]

Thanks for the video. 3 questions: do both lines point to right shoulder for RH player? Would you recommend ML grip size to overlap or interlock? Would you grip the club and then lean shaft towards left leg or lean 1st then grip? Thanks

[@elitegolfschools]

Left hand points to right shoulder, right hand points more to chest. Overlap or interlock depends on what you’re comfortable with. Lean first, then grip!

[@KEVINSEPTEMBER]

8:55 does a week lead hand grip correlate more often with a trail hand dominance swing, and a lead hand strong grip correlate better with a lead arm dominant swing?

[@jonmessmer-xe3jx]

I have always had my hands matching. Gonna start gripping and I gripping with strong lead weak trail and see what happens at the range.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@jonmessmer-xe3jx dynamite! Keep us posted

[@jimwitt6752]

Great content!!! Keep it up

[@elitegolfschools]

Thanks man 🙏

[@jack-hq7gr]

Adam Scott insert seem to have “longer thumb”. How does thumb affect grip or is long and short merely an anatomical directive- ( long or short)

[@elitegolfschools]

Totally based on how the thumb and the first digit compliment one another on the grip (lead hand)

[@jack-hq7gr]

Great information. Regarding arm hand and “how you stand”, any chance of brief mention of posture tied to grip, since broader shoulders, arm length and height might impact posture relating to this grip concept? Sorry getting too greedy with free information. Better stuff than any golf school I’ve attended….😊

[@elitegolfschools]

Wow! Humbled for the kind words! Biggest deal here… folks that have broader shoulders and chests will need more t spine flexion and a bit more internal rotation of arms. That will help to give them room at address and allow for movement principles throughout swing 🙏

[@jack-hq7gr]

@@elitegolfschools Your information and willingness to engage with “us” Utubers is first class. Wishing you continued success.

[@elitegolfschools]

Means the world!! Let us know how we can help you!!@@jack-hq7gr

[@sd1132]

Can you please do a full video on rib sway?

[@elitegolfschools]

Stay tuned for something coming soon with us on Milo Lines Golf channel 🙏

[@azmatlodhi9670]

Very educational once again. Guys plz do an exhaustive video on the Driver

[@elitegolfschools]

We will!

[@nicholaslyman1691]

Love this vid! I think videos on wedge play or the short game would be a great addition for us amateurs in the future! Also, I've seen Luke B. post a lot about how the lead arm has separation at impact (some ppl think it's a chicken wing). To clarify, as long as you have the elbow, hand, and club aligned, it's okay to have that separation?

[@elitegolfschools]

Agreed on the lead arm! And we’ll have more stuff like that coming in the future bro 🙏

[@tilasan]

The line formed with the left hand points to the trail clavicle, where does the line formed with the right hand point?

[@elitegolfschools]

Straight up the midline! Solid question 👌

[@SimonNgu-vx6pl]

And the RH Antecubital fossa and ulna/radius intersection continue to point at roughly 45 degrees toward the midline or is it more vertical (90 degrees) / perpendicular to the midline?

[@cleary654]

Be interested to see/hear your thoughts on a long thumb on the lead hand. I cannot grip with a short thumb my hinge is so much less this way, so it's always felt better with a long thumb

[@elitegolfschools]

As long as the club stays in between those pressure points as described in the video, I agree on the thumb 👍🏼

[@cleary654]

Good to know, see conflicting things online. I really like your videos been following a while glad you came back to YT for longer vids - keep up the good work 🫶

[@jimthomas1759]

About 12 minutes in, you said the strong-weak lead-trail hand set paired well with some extension to get some more distance. What does that mean - extending up through impact?

[@elitegolfschools]

Extension in the lead side to sling the club through impact 🙏

[@steveniannelli2756]

what are your thoughts on the feel of giving blood with right arm them turning right hand to left to place right hand on grip?

[@elitegolfschools]

Whacking out the arm line a bit by doing that, not our favorite way to grip it 👍🏼

[@bf2539]

is the grip in your fingers or in the palm of the hand. Also would the grip be stronger for older or senior players than young to middle age player.

[@elitegolfschools]

Fingers!

[@edboczek9939]

So there are two “Orion’s belts”. When? During entire swing or just impact?

[@elitegolfschools]

The “map” is during the entire swing (mostly)

[@killipenterprises8381]

Quick question, if you overlap, your pressure is not in your left index finger anymore. So....is the pressure supposed to be more in the last three fingers🤔

[@killipenterprises8381]

Correction, I mean interlock

[@RatherBeGolfing.]

So I shouldn't worry about my 6yr old's split grip? She hits it well. I haven't tried to change it.

[@elitegolfschools]

Would love her to keep it that way until she can really unload it! Maybe another 6 months before introducing a more conventional grip. But I’d look at 10 finger before interlock or overlap 🙏

[@RatherBeGolfing.]

@@elitegolfschools Thanks. Love the channel!

[@elitegolfschools]

@@RatherBeGolfing. thanks so much! ❤️❤️

[@deandirks1814]

And another one…. Great video that is 🤙

[@Gumballa87]

Pete Cowen comes to mind : with the towel wring. That way the orion’s belt stays intact without thinking about it as long as the opposing pressure in the grip is maintained!

[@MrMikeRodriguez]

If the grip puts the club handle through the lead hand thumb and pointer finger then it seems like an interlocking grip would mess that up since the pointer finger no longer touches the grip. Hmm.

[@huseyinigdirlispiralswing]

Great comment that is the case i am trying to describe... Thank you

[@elitegolfschools]

❤️❤️❤️ thank you!

[@joemarquard7558]

It is very difficult to conceive how the trail center of mass of club + wrist + hand form a straight line? If you showed the measurement from a face on, perhaps we could see it. I can only imagine the straight line (Orion’s belt) lining up just past impact?

[@alexander.aichelburg654]

Brilliant

[@danielmajor1015]

If I could grip the club consistently, I’d shoot in the 70s so much more often. My biggest issue is not being able to trust my hands and it’s so frustrating.

[@louisfrancoeur9356]

Love the content here and on instagram! How tight do you grip it? I feel if it’s too loose on takeaway I will grip too hard on the downswing. Thanks

[@elitegolfschools]

Use the “holding a bird” analogy: firm enough to hold it in place, not pressing too much that you’ll kill it 🙏

[@jackwilliamson1929]

Yeah to much on tech speak, need close up of the the index finger on trail hand and why that finger is held differently and how to set the club at the top.

[@djelalhassan7631]

Great

[@elitegolfschools]

👍🏼

[@michaelgoss3177]

A little jem from joe Norwood He use to say what people calls a strong grip is actually a weak grip. He would prove this by having some grip the club with a strong right hand and pull the club out of there hand . grip it with a so called weak right and the club can’t be moved 😢

[@elitegolfschools]

Love it bro 🙏

[@mitchmarland]

btw I just looked at Jerry Kelly's swing. That is probably the weakest grip I have ever seen that has literally no bow anywhere in the swing. Interesting. Super straight hitter. Also, if you're into looking at swings I've got mine on my channel. Thanks.

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes! Definitely a different match up from some of the modern players today. Plenty of lead arm supination through the strike to square it 👍

[@antpalm8]

"That's the technical term"...."good" lmao 😂

[@elitegolfschools]

Hahaha 😂

[@antpalm8]

@@elitegolfschools hey I'm trying to turn on notifications for your channel but YT is saying you can't do that for "content made for kids" which I guess is a setting on your channel. Might get some more views if people can turn notifications on. And I also selfishly want to know when a video drops 😂 thanks guys

[@elitegolfschools]

@@antpalm8 lol, I don’t think we are setting them up that way but I will make sure that we don’t!!

[@mitchmarland]

I don't think the weak grip, which goes along with the bowed left wrist (most of the time) is a quirk. For me I could never get proper compression on the ball when I would be coming in with a bunch of knuckles. If you just stand there and take very short swings with a weak grip just using the wrists, you will see that the wrist joint kind of cradles the club and delivers it back and forth perfectly. People will also accuse the player with the bowed wrist of just turning super hard through impact, as if they're not doing anything with the hands. Jerry Kelly said this on the subpar podcast, as if it's a crap move that only the modern player uses that only works with the new equipment. Never mind Ben Hogan and Lee Trevino who had bowed wrists at the bottom, albeit Ben hogan was cupped at the top. Anyway, I think you can actively accelerate the hands through impact because they're loaded (bowed) and then unloaded (cupped) in the through swing. Also I think the reason bad golfers can't swing properly with a weak grip is because it is way too much in their palms. Once you get it into the fingers (that is a whole other skill that is not obvious), the forearms work independently of the humorous and then you can swing with power with a neutral or weak grip. But it looks real bad on most high handicappers because they're always trying to square it right from the top because it feels so open. Also good instructors like Malaska advocate a strong grip for students (which I see the reason why) but he himself does NOT have a strong grip himself. My dad went and saw him and my dad's grip wasn't weak before, and when he got back it looked like Paul Azingers damn grip. Then looked at Malaska and his face was hanging pretty straight down at the top with not much cup (pretty neutral). Anyway just some thoughts, and just for reference I'm a 2.5 hdcp and should get below scratch this year. Golf was something else because I'm athletic with plenty of speed, but I have STRUGGLED with golf like no other for YEARS. What a game. It's more complex than other sports (one reason is the center of gravity of the club is not in line with the shaft like mostly all other sports). Also I appreciate the instruction and insight you give for the more advanced player, as most is just the whole over the top instruction for the hack golfer. So thank you. Also sorry for the lengthy thread, I enjoy talking golf.

[@elitegolfschools]

Appreciate your thoughts and yes, endlessly complex game with unlimited match ups. Great work on your game and best of luck on your journey towards scratch!

[@TheBruceKeller]

Anyone else getting 'Connor McGregor, but grew up in a US golf community instead of the tough streets of Ireland' vibes?

[@elitegolfschools]

😂😂 accurate I’d say

[@TheWedgeWizard]

This video could of been 60 seconds. Just saying the same thing everyone has said for hundreds of years using played out medical terms.

[@elitegolfschools]

Glad you already know the information 👍

[@georgewalker03]

OMG. Stop showing off. There should be a warning to this type of over technical instruction. As a coach I understand everything he coaches. There is a reason why I don’t go on KZbin and confuse the heck out of golfers. I would stay clear of coaches like him. And yes, I am a renowned coach.

[@elitegolfschools]

Hey bud, we are simply looking to help people. That’s the whole basis for creating this channel. Totally fine to disagree with us but do so in a professional way please. Take your renowned self elsewhere 👍

[@georgewalker03]

Sometimes it’s best to listen to someone like myself who is a lot more experienced than you when it comes to communicating skills.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@georgewalker03 lol, wish all the best to you buddy! Hope you’re helping people through this great game 🙏👋

[@gunghogolf]

I googled “george walker golf instruction” but wasn’t able to find you. Are you sure you’re a “renowned” coach? Looking at your comment history on Elite’s channel, I’d say that now you’re renowned for being incredibly rude.

[@georgewalker03]

You say I am rude? Absolutely not. And yes I am a renowned coach. I know everything you dress up as your own concepts have come from Kelvin Miyahira. Please don't insult my intelligence and say you have never heard of him? Everything that you preach is word for word that Kelvin has taught for years. At least give him some credit. If you do i might give you some respect. Have a nice day.