Powerful Tech The Pros Aren't Using - But You CAN!

[@gcntech]

What do you think of this feature? Let us know in the comments below💬

[@veronicabeagan9167]

Worthless in Alaska. It has 12% climbs on pancake flat areas. I’ve turned the feature off.

[@veronicabeagan9167]

Oh yea. I’ve updated the maps.

[@MonkeyKing1969]

Planning to use some of these features at the Maratona in a week or so...

[@panzerveps]

Isn't this quite old news already? Didn't know about it when I went on a bikepacking trip through Denmark and northern Germany last year, and it reported climbs all the time (it was flat).

[@alpinekiwi]

I know GCN is sponsored by Wahoo and this certainly wasn't your intention, but this really reminds me how happy I am that my Edge 1040 does all this, but way way better. Stunning scenery, editing and of course riding Ollie et al!

[@JackFou]

Does it, though? Recently tried the ClimbPro feature on my Garmin when I took a cycling vacation in the mountains and I have to say I was very underwhelmed/disappointed. It's been so unreliable and inconsistent that it's just straight up useless to me.

[@mileslong9675]

Back in the ‘70s, we used GSM technology for navigation. (Gas Station Maps)

[@frantzs1077]

Watching this you might think this is new, but in fact Garmin had Climb Pro years ago. Would be interesting to compare and see the difference. Did Wahoo managed to catch up.

[@JackFou]

Having recently cycled in the mountains, I have to say I was rather disappointed with climbpro. I found it quite unreliable... while some climbs were bang on, others were wildly off. In the worst cases, the start of a climb was marked when there was still a kilometre of downhill to go and then the climb on my Garmin would end halfway through the actual uphill section of the road. It's also a bit unclear to me why a certain climb was or wasn't registered as a climb in climbpro. There were definitely a few bits of uphill that were either steeper or longer (or both) than some of the climbs that were recognised. Oh and don't get me started on the gradient profile... could be an issue with the map data Garmin has but it might as well have been a random number generator for what it's worth. Maybe it's an issue with certain regions that Garmin hasn't covered all that well or maybe it really only works on longer climbs (10+ km). But at least from my (limited) experience so far, it's so quirky and full of inconsistencies that I couldn't rely on it at all to pace myself for the ride or even just any given climb.

[@wuzihuzi]

Speaking of antiquated tech, why does a wahoo cost so much but has the display of a Tamagotchi?

[@ee107096]

= battery life 🙂

[@gcntech]

We wish you get your tamagotchi on your Wahoo, that would save us taking a second device out on rides! 😉

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

And more readable ​@@ee107096

[@songfta]

@@gcntech You could probably sideload a Tamagotchi app onto a Hammerhead Karoo given its Android OS underpinnings...

[@coRpTitan]

@@songfta Well in fact, Wahoo(at least my Roam v1) is also running Android OS, but not with much possibility to customize. At least not with official support.

[@andrewmcalister3462]

Love the cinematography in this video. But hey, when you have the Alps as your B-roll, you can't go wrong.

[@Merewah97]

Where is this anyway?

[@YelCan]

Pretty sure Ollie said he was near Tignes and got to the top of the Iseran. The lake is most likely Tignes Lake.

[@gcntech]

We would be doing a real bad job is we made the Alps look bad 🤣

[@alpsalish]

This dovetails with his training like a pro video, I believe. Wherever Visma is right now.

[@johnwestwell2241]

@@alpsalish Isola 2000.

[@Seppster58]

Love the epic scenery. Thanks Ollie for taking on this ride and explaining the tech. Very informative.

[@gcntech]

Glad you enjoyed it 🙌

[@JFomo]

Lol I disabled that segment feature because it kept popping up on the computer at the worst moments. I don't think it ever helped me.

[@jgcoppens]

Would be interesting if you included Garmin and Hammerhead, now it just feels like a Wahoo commercial.

[@padmanabhaprasannasimha5385]

It is definitely a Wahoo commercial. Wahoo gives gcn money for this stuff.

[@U.s.e.r.3493]

100% sponsored content

[@chrisridesbicycles]

Can you adjust the criteria for the climb detection on Wahoo? That‘s something I miss on my Garmin. I don‘t really need to know about 2k@4% but I really need to know about 7 times 200m @ 25% because that are the little hills that kill my legs.

[@marcel_frenchy]

Great video and superb scenery. Was just thinking of upgrading my head unit to the Roam V2 the other day. Back in my day, we had the newest tech called an Avocet "cyclometer 25" and it was jammed packed with the latest in cycling data. There was speed, average speed, distance (total AND trip) and a clock. Plus, it had all kinds of cool colors just like my Swatch watch. How we got around and knew what the hell was going on has long since disappeared but somehow made it home...

[@jonmeals]

And when you got home, you wrote the information down in your rider log (or if you were really fancy, in Lotus 1-2-3).

[@mukuldeep3488]

So i got thr wahoo element bolt v2 two weeks ago and ive been using thse features ever since, esapcially when i go on a new route - plus you dont really need to add a route for the summit segments to work it just tells about the climbs up any road that you are going

[@danielwood6631]

Is this available on the bolt v2?

[@rug212]

Awesome video! I’m so looking forward to the progression of this channel now that it’s independent again. Hopefully all your resources will be solely yours to dedicate to reinvesting in yourselves. Power on my friends!

[@gcntech]

We're looking forward to it too 🙌 Would you like to see anything see on the channel?

[@rug212]

@@gcntech I love the tech videos. And I also love watching the long touring rides in different parts of the world. Bucket list rides!

[@roryduignan1415]

What about the garmin. How does it work on the garmin 530

[@MTBScotland]

climb pro on the garmin does the same thing except for the estimate time to completion. That would be handy to see how much longer I have to suffer 😂

[@martinkroutil]

Yeah estimated time to complete the climb is absolutely amazing for me in races where i dont know the route.

[@capflamme]

You can use the ETA datafield. It changes to a sort of estimed time of arrival at the top of the climb during climbs, but I found it largely inaccurate and therefore quite useless, but your result may vary.

[@JohnBaxendale]

It'll show you an ETA on the Garmin too, but I think the ride needs to be following a route so it knows which way you're going :0

[@tobias3919]

I have multiple problems with this climb stuff.They should really allow you more customization overall like make some at least some of the firmware open to modify to your hearts desire. OK problems: - with climb pro on the device seems way more likley to crash/reboot - cant remove the stop watch data field (i hate seconds counting while riding for hours) - when disabling automatic page switch notes are somewhat uselsess and you cant switch to the page manualy + love my drink reminder - need more reminder options e.g. battery below/above x% idea: they could use colored background of other field as progress bar. Meaning slowly fill up background of speed to indicate % distance done.

[@batporio]

Would be great if there is in depth explanation on how to pace the climb when you know the profile. It is all good saying see the profile helps pacing, but how? I turned off this feature on my unit as it just made me anxious looking at how much is left of the climb rather than help me in any way.

[@gcntech]

Sounds like a great video idea 🙌 We did this one 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaGYpqiuiZaJZ7M but we would love to do a data filled version 🤓

[@cb6866]

Thank you very much , Dr O , and crew , "the land of a million wows " Yes sir. that was really cool ! Amazing places , once in a lifetime rides . Be well , eh ?

[@TheAgingCyclist-bk9wt]

I’d really love to do these climbs..my problem is I get terrible vertigo… trying to work through it… any tech help with that??

[@HabaneroTi]

I actually get mild vertigo on Zwift, on fast and windy descents, which is made more realistic by my Sterzo Smart steering device. Even when I remind myself that it isn't real, it still feels real. Perhaps someone's developed a video game-like app to help ease vertigo?

[@gcntech]

Oooo interesting! No tech that we know of, maybe try shorter and keep it going 🙌

[@Eyproshit]

I found the feature to be quiet lacking. Start and Finish of the Segments where extremly odd (sometimes the segment started a way before the climb and ended after you already had to descend. Noticed that on multiple climbs in south/east italy.

[@BikePappy]

I’ll have to agree with this. Northwest Italy in Bormio and Tuscany region as well - I have screenshots of mild “green” climbs showing as 55 degree climbs and 11579 VAM or more severe “red-orange” climbs showing as -80 degrees with -5616 VAM. This is on a preloaded route. This feature does not work reliably as shown in this video. The numbers are all over the place.

[@FlourescentPotato]

I agree it sometimes considers the climb as starting as soon as you hit a 0.1% gradient from ages away.

[@markusseppala6547]

Yeah same here. Sometimes it started after the climb was over. And it included too much small climbs. It was mostly annoying so turned it off.

[@chrisbaum998]

Thanks Ollie on showing other ways to make your bike computer a better tool for rides!!

[@gcntech]

Glad we could help 🙌

[@garlandorienter]

That's a very awesome videography. The scenery is awesome

[@gcntech]

Can't go wrong in the alps 👌

[@greengonzonz]

Great video. Specifically everything 😊❤

[@gcntech]

Thanks for the specifics 🤣

[@djrlloyd]

I’ve been using customer alerts for a while now to remind me to drink and eat on longer ride. It’s a brilliant feature.

[@JordanHammond7]

Good to see that wahoo is starting to catch up to the Hammerhead Karoo with it's features

[@27gw27]

Thanks for the Wahoo ad

[@gcntech]

You're welcome 😉

[@YelCan]

Most enjoyed advertisement ever. 👏 .

[@User85306]

Interesting features. Nice to see other products then Garmin devices. Thanks! 🥳 The display graphics of a Wahoo look like the on a 90s GameBoy 😂 Never seen something like this novadays🤣😷

[@gavinimages]

Beautiful place. I don’t have a power meter so I just use my phone with Strava. Don’t need to buy additional tech.

[@matthewmcnamee6539]

How long did it take you from Val D’Isere?

[@christophermehlman5293]

Hammerhead also has this... also without a route added

[@mukuldeep3488]

He does not know but wahoo also does this without route

[@Local.hero.1983]

That Canyon hardly has any seatpost showing , is it a bigger guys bike?

[@Cycle.every.day.]

Some of us pointed out it seemed too big for Ollie on its first appearance , but we were told him and Canyon know best , but i still say it's too big for him , long top tube forcing him to ride with straight arms.

[@dakalla]

It's a long and low aero bike with a fairly horizontal top tube. If you then have a little shorter legs, longer torso and actually ride a correct saddle hight, thats how the seat post will look like. I have very similar sizing to Ollie and a 54 or S frame in Canyons sizing is too low for my abilities. Could only ride it with a lot of stack and longer stem, so that the seatpost sticks out more? I prefer the bigger size then.

[@bradrogers2427]

I think in one of the video's he said he went up to a 58 from a 56 like his Ultimate CFR due to a recent bike fit.

[@beeldpuntXVI]

Sticker are the best, they are flexible customizable en lots more

[@phillyh34]

Another good vid, could you do a video with the explanation of different data fields that can be used with power meters

[@gcntech]

Great thinking! We would love to delve into some numbers 🙌

[@raylovinggood9398]

My Garmin 530 has a similar feature for climbs but the gps needs a route for the feature to work. I like Wahoo’s design that will still recognize a climb even without a route programmed. My friends have pricier Garmins. I think 1050 - one has the solar cells in the bezel. We always see different number of climbs. My 530 might say 7 climbs and theirs will have a different number, say 5 climbs. And yes, for the same route. Seems a bit odd. And if I remember, the 530 always shows more climbs than their 1050 (or whatever). The Wahoo looks like the gps to get, in my opinion.

[@songfta]

The Garmin Edge x40 series computers (540/840/1040) all have predictive climb tech like Wahoo. So does Hammerhead on the Karoo 2 and the new Karoo. I have the Edge 840 and the Karoo 2 and the climb predicting features are amazingly helpful. Wahoo actually played catch-up to the others here, and their implementation is good. The TL;DR here is that any current-generation GPS computer from the big three brands will do well for folks who want to climb, set custom alerts (Garmin more so than Hammerhead), and the like.

[@a1white]

Sorry what was this video about? I was too busy looking at the absolutely stunning scenery 😍

[@gcntech]

Hahaha worth a second watch? 😉

[@deadlift8551]

Pico Veleta at 3398 is the highest paved road in Europe - by max elevation, guess it depends what you consider a road

[@ebikescrapper3925]

Betamax was a better system than VHS, the best don't always become mainstream.

[@TufferImages]

No reason why Wahoo can't add some of these new features into the v1 Roam, i.e., the new gopro controls. Pisses me off, I don't think my next head unit will be a Wahoo.

[@Ok_Rouleur]

I used to have them in v1, have you looked at the configuration screen in the app ?

[@songfta]

The limitation on the v1 computers is a combination of processor and RAM. The climbing prediction feature requires a more detailed base map with elevation data - it's a *big* file. And the GoPro stuff, while probably not processor or memory intensive, likely only gets QA tested with the latest hardware. But eventually there's only so much a company will offer in terms of backwards compatibility due not only to the burden of supporting older hardware (it can get really bad when there are multiple processors and memory configurations out there, not to mention 32 bit versus 64 bit operating systems), but also the drive to sell new units.

[@Ok_Rouleur]

I definitely had these features in the Roam v1 that I bought in November 21. The memory was pretty big and had no problem with files up to 200km including turn-by-turn and climbs. The features appeared after a software update. Unfortunately the screen got detached after 2 years, 2 weeks after the end of guaranty (and much use) but Wahoo replaced it free of charged with a v2. I’m very grateful for their customer care and will stick to their products. I’m sorry yours doesn’t provide these features.

[@Ok_Rouleur]

Specifically speaking about turn-by-turn, climbs, and alerts

[@bora2cf7]

Why is this good? Is sampling once per second enough? What all cycle computers lack is sampling.

[@jamesluce3305]

I have the function switched off as it is unable to show my map screen and therefore where I'm going at the same time

[@tomasplesek907]

As an avid minidisc user with quite a collection of those beautiful little players, I felt a little sad to be thrown in the same bag as a piece of masking tape 😅

[@dakalla]

I will be next in line. I am still running a 5. Gen Ipod i got from a freebie snowball system in 2005 with MP3s downloaded from Napster and lan parties from that years. Runs perfectly with customized 256gb sd card and a new battery.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

"There are many like it, but this one is mine"... diggin it. Who else gets this reference?

[@MisterCOM]

Summit Segments are great i went on an event ride for the first time on Saturday with a friend who has not touched his road bike in a year and he really hated me because i could not stop myself when the screen started shouting climb! At me

[@gcntech]

Hahaha sometimes it's good to have a push 🙌

[@Shellewell]

The mapping for the descent looks unworkable. Why are there moving chevrons all over it obscuring most of the detail? Can't read the angle properly!

[@michaelnee1987]

Wish my Wahoo roam v1 would work properly, so many bugs after certain software updates. I've completely gone off Wahoo and their products.

[@wuzihuzi]

Same here! My roam takes so long to load routes now!

[@dakalla]

​@@wuzihuzi It's the android app on some old androids. Got a new phone and everything works as expected again.

[@reinholdachleitner2069]

Awesome video and beautiful part of Europe but I think I prefer that Canyon to the new Pinarello Dogma F.💯👌🏻✌🏻🚴‍♂️

[@gcntech]

Wow that's a big claim! We couldn't choose 👀

[@faisalqadirabdu]

I can see the speck of dust on the sensor

[@a1white]

Fax machines for the win in 2024! ❤

[@oplkfdhgk]

i'd say narrow wide chain rings.

[@St.Petrock]

Nice Full Metal Jacket reference.

[@gcntech]

Sir yes sir 🫡

[@shansung6628]

I really dont think pros, even the best bike handlers, can simultaniously go full gas up a climb, mark attacks etc and switch through screens on their bike computers.

[@GlennCarton]

Note to cameraman: clean the sensor 😅

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

Rim brakes for the win in 2024❤

[@gcntech]

Whatever floats your boat ⚓

[@THEoldgreydude]

I love my Betamax I'll Fax you the reasons 🤣

[@capflamme]

Is that "💩 Poo" alert really that useful ? 😄

[@lynnthalas]

I’m dead… Betamax and fax machines 😂😂😂

[@gcntech]

two great inventions!

[@a1white]

I often have my routes faxed to me before my epic rides 😅

[@festerofest4374]

@@a1white Just to be safe, I print mine out on a dot matrix printer.

[@meaphotographica]

Wahoo summit has never been accurate for me. Anyone with the same issue?

[@michaelm4725]

There is a very real need in society to move away from integration and reliance on Microsoft. A computer I recently bought for my Dad was a great example of what I'm saying. I couldn't use the thing to serve me needs. There was no DVD/CD drive so I couldn't use that input method to load Linux onto it. I tried my best, but I failed to configure the BIOS to search for a bootable device from the USB drive. There were no screws to take the fking computer apart to unplug the internat hard drive to force a boot from the USB interface. The fucking monitor was integrated with the computer itself. If one breaks I can't fix it myself, and I have to pay to replace both items as opposed to one or the other. I'd have to use a fking butter knife to attempt to open the damn thing and obviously scratch things all up, if not break the whole system. In order to load the fking OS, which was predatory Microsoft, I had to have my Father's Gmail password, which was unknown due to his old age. Google is now integrated with Microsoft. Facebook is integrated with KZbin. Our country is supposed to protect us all against monopolies. We are supposed to live in a democracy. It is all imposture nowadays. The oligarchs are scamming us all. And people, generally being sheep as opposed to wolves, are letting them get away with it. Lets not forget our best core value ever: Simple kindness, not technology.

[@matthewgutowski8374]

Straighten your levers

[@nemure]

Wahoo is like apple and Garmin like android. Garmin has being doing this for many many years now on their bike computers. Now that wahoo finally do the same, and not better precisely everyone is like wow look what wahoo just invented 😅😅😅

[@makebreakrepeat]

If I have that many numbers in front of me I'll be checking them constantly and probably run off the road 😅

[@gcntech]

Hahaha sometimes it can be distracting, Those skills come in time though 🙌

[@ebikescrapper3925]

Is making tape Ollie zip ties

[@cosmostrek2001]

Digital is always the best😅😅😅😅😅

[@dh7314]

Rim brake guys still fax their comments to KZbin

[@wuzihuzi]

What how did you know?! 😅

[@gcntech]

We got a few come through at GCN HQ 🤣

[@billoleary1079]

My main take away from this video is that Ollie has a poo alert! Is it a reminder or a warning? So many questions....

[@Maxpower88888]

Gcn is nothing but a fuckin ad now

[@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe]

Electronic bike tech overrated. Don't have a clue.Rather buy good Sox or something Thanks!🎉

[@dominicbritt]

Stop teasing and show the Stelvio man video

[@Csapi007]

Wahoo's implementation is rubbish. If I stop on a climb for any reason, it loses the climb and doesn't show it anymore. Totally useless and very annoying!

[@JustMikeH]

💩at 10km 😆

[@HabaneroTi]

Fax machines were devices that video store clerks used to tell customers to use on themselves when they forgot to rewind the VHS tape. Oh go fax yourself in a telephone box, you lazy olden times person!

[@mutualin4mation]

Poo? 🤔

[@michaelnewman4302]

The grammar failure in this title breaks my heart.

[@Ed.R]

It got an extra few comments. Engagement is important it boosts the video and pleases the sponsors.

[@michaelnewman4302]

@@Ed.R Hah!

[@izi941]

But in all honesty…Wahoo maps are shit. Like Garmins 15years ago

[@edymarkonthego4096]

Currently the wahoo is dominating but there is new called Coros Dura is lurking and could compete in the near future.

[@RyonBeachner]

You mean the one that got universally shit on by all the experts who have a shred of decency for being nowhere near ready for launch? 😂

[@michaelnewman4302]

@@RyonBeachner Des Fit and Ben Delaney didn't shit on it! What's lurking are new Garmins just around the corner.

[@RyonBeachner]

@@michaelnewman4302 Which, really informs who produces what kind of content, and who you should be trusting for facts vs marketing.

[@a1white]

Not if they stick with using Google maps, in my opinion

[@jonathanparks207]

All I got to say is if that is the highest paved road in Europe, Europe doesn't have roads with much in the way elevation.

[@darthstarone3532]

😭🤣😭 writing on tape 😮

[@savagepro9060]

Ah! The growing struggles of GCN. Every video is be a brilliant advertisement! !

[@a1white]

To be fair they make the most stunningly cinematic looking adverts!

[@savagepro9060]

@@a1white that's what keeps them alive