Converting a Carbureted Small Block to EFI on a Chevy Nova - Detroit Muscle S3, E22

[@PowerNationTV]

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[@samuelmwangi9780]

You guys are amazing.

[@johnhancock5554]

Gotta get Tommy, Rick and Joe on a build. They Rock! You all Rock! 🇺🇸🏁👍👍

[@Dropbear237]

Come to Australia for some real burnouts. Just ask the guys from 1320video.

[@ruubguus4321]

🔧🔧🔥🔥Tommy Boshers🔥🔥🔧🔧

[@davidmartin8825]

Is it for sale

[@richmac918]

Damn, you did a complete cam, intake and carb to EFI swap in about 3 minutes. No cursing, no mess, everything just comes apart without a fight. What am I doing wrong? This would have taken me hours and there would most likely be a trace of blood somewhere.

[@Mungojerry310]

Video clipping works wonders doesn’t it ?

[@talon0863]

I like this format and I do not miss the goofy commentary.

[@ViperSRTnACR]

Tommys impression of Joe was near spot on! 😂

[@firefighteruppy9121]

That was funny!

[@stevend3753]

That one tire didn’t stand a chance.

[@yamahaguy1732]

Steven D just the was it is with classics lol I like it

[@DuBstep115]

@midnitesquirldog1 Welded diff is useless on the street

[@sevenhornets]

Shoulda got the posi instead.

[@DuBstep115]

@@sevenhornets Who the fuck uses term posi in 2020? It's a marketing name for 60s LSD.

[@tommyhallum2747]

Holley has a pretty good setup that's a throttle body injection style. And it will bolt up to almost any 4bl intake. It supports up to 550hp and it's also self tuning.

[@overyonderjustapiece]

18:45 all that money in that car and they did NOT install a POSI?? FAIL!!

[@DuBstep115]

We are living almost in the 2020 now, its LSD not some gay 50s GM term like posi traction.

[@DuBstep115]

@Philly's Phinest Positraction” is the trade name General Motors gave its limited slip differential units in GM and Chevrolet vehicles in the late 1950s. I can link my sources if you link yours.

[@DuBstep115]

@Philly's Phinest 68 is alot later production than 50s gm. Z28 that have code g80 have posi rear. If i am correct its made by Eaton.

[@DuBstep115]

@Philly's Phinest but in the end all it was just a normal lsd and no one uses the term posi.

[@DMD81773]

@Philly's Phinest everyone uses the term posi that i know.

[@JadXtreme]

Love the show but I wish y'all would swap in hydraulic roller cams instead of tappet. Soooo much more power potential with hydraulic roller over tappet cams

[@franklyle2798]

What's the 2nd biggest development over the past couple of decades? ROLLER CAMS...flat tappets are pretty much dinosaurs.

[@ZanyJIntPictures]

A great benefit of EFI on an older car like that one is, no troublesome cold morning startups/warmups!😉

[@jerrychacon8814]

I driven a carb car as a daily driver never had issue with cold morning starts, or hot days, as long as you have a proper rebuild carb not from a shop that only cleans it but one that remanufacturers it, or even better get a quality new one.

[@georgesadler7830]

Thank you for the video on the popular Chevy Nova.

[@charleswinning3294]

I converted my 351W in my 74 Bronco to EFI using Mustang parts. Best mod ever for climbing mountains at 12K ft+

[@alltheboost5363]

I think you guys are being really misleading when you say that you had to pull that cam out and that it wouldn't work with that ECU... that's just not true. What it boils down to is the ECU wouldn't know what cam it is because you guys probably didn't know what it is and that's why you swap it out for something more efficient to match the rest of the setup and that makes sense. Whomever is coming up with what you guys say on the show needs to realize that car guys watch this stuff.

[@MrIngorodrigues]

It works sure,with a shity idle, if The partners mentioned it already tested, arent?

[@martin2560]

Just the EFI helps an old Chevy Biggy. FI? Super sweetness. Yum. What a beauty. My first Nova was a 73 350 plain Jane. So much fun to drive. Dialed in 4barrel with EFI.

[@cameronrussell9362]

America: These cats take burnout competitions to a whole new level. Australia: Hold my beer!💨

[@juddy953]

yeah nah, we just laugh at them

[@williamminter7057]

False.....an Aussie would NEVER let someone hold their beer!!

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

@@williamminter7057 True, we only need to steer one handed.

[@bmstylee]

@@PiDsPagePrototypes even when holding the big can of Fosters?

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

@@bmstylee lookup... "Darwin Stubby" 😉

[@johnfrese4851]

hey you guys forgotten to mention to prime that fuel sump with fuel before connecting power to the pump in it. reason why I say that is you can fry that pump in it. after a few cranks with that mechanical pump it will have fuel in it unless you added a electrical one in the mechanical place

[@Tsizzle2]

That would be one of the last efi systems I would install on anything. You can take the Edelbrock ecm and toss it in the trash, swap to a dual sync distributor and use a megasquirt, holley, haltech or other ecu to control it so it runs good.

[@danielforth188]

The off brand "welcome to the jungle" 😂

[@kparikh3]

And Highway Star and Panama, LMAO

[@NVzla]

That Roadmaster though! LT1 powa.

[@adamturner2507]

Carb will always be able to support more power nothing can dump as large of an load of fuel as a carb and if tuned right they can be reliable find you an old school hot rodder and learn from them

[@adamturner2507]

@Dave Micolichek okay cool I'm old school I like carburetors I find production efi system aggrivating to work on, simple as that I think efi looks ugly under a hood I like to use a screwdriver to work on my fuel system not a team of nasa scientists

[@randombuilds8336]

Get better EFI and overlap isn't a problem. I ran 288* cams and open ITBs on a 4 cylinder with megasquirt. Never had an issue with overlap, or lack of vacuum signal. My bike has been converted to EFI, and pulls a max vacuum of 60Kpa. Runs fine, and is even fully sequential.

[@user-sw2er4bv1r]

my fav nova model

[@wpwbigcheese3795]

Power Nation .... we all speak the same

[@Scrotum_69420]

I like how they used a "knockoff store brand" version of Stranglehold as their background music

[@KayakTN]

Generic Ted Nugent

[@sinformant]

@@KayakTN "ned tugent"

[@TwentytenS4B8]

Stranglehold........Equate Brand.

[@TheKiltedYaksman1]

As well as Three Lock Box, and Welcome to the Jungle...

[@bmstylee]

@@TheKiltedYaksman1 never caught the generic 3 Lock Box one. Will have to listen closer.

[@jamespeterburch]

With how much all that costs, would it not be more cost effective to purchase a used LS engine? I know it’s ‘boring’ but watching this seeing all the stuff you need to buy I can’t help thinking it.

[@Gothamauto]

This is just a thinly disguised ad for Edelbrock and RP, and if you add up all the costs involved, you'll see it is a lot of money. An iron LS from the boneyard with a turbo setup would blitz this thing. To be fair, they said they were after reliability, and I would hope the aftermarket EFI would provide that. While the EFI was said to support up to 550 horsepower, they decided to detune the 350 with a milder cam. So, cruiser.

[@jleeh76]

Half the $$, 50% more hp with the LS

[@adriantomlin2902]

Should have left it alone!!!

[@adriantomlin2902]

@@Gothamauto Fuck those LS s !! Goddamn piece of aluminum ingot a d plastic!!!!

[@docfischer7291]

So how about the significance of Camshaft Break-in ? I know just placing Royal Purple "break in oil" in the pan will not substitute for that . We know recieving freebies is great to toss something together but better details next time guys

[@TheKiltedYaksman1]

EFI + roller rockers + a cam set, but they couldn't have stretched a little more for a roller cam?

[@I_like_turtles_67]

Agree. I see no reason to hassle with a flat tappet cam anymore. Roller cam is by far a better choice.

[@topfuelr473]

Must be nice to have a big ol shop likke that for your projects. I like the music your using on this episode, has that Van Halen kind of sound.

[@alcarreon]

The foghorn was great on that buick

[@starbattles1]

I tried EZ EFI on my cleveland. I was not impressed at all. It could not learn the accelerator pump shot worth a shit. Even after a few weeks driving it as a daily driver. It always had a lean spot off idle. (just like the damn Holley I replaced) I bought the EFI because I had such a hard time tuning out the lean spot on a Holley....as many people have the same problem and no clear answer for it. The EFI just didn't have the punch a Holley has. So I shelved the damn thing. Put the Holley back on. AFter 2 more years I FINALLY got the Holley tuned and no lean stumbles or flat spots. Just raging power right from the first throttle tip in. These (self learning) EFI systems are garbage. If you get a EFI system.... plan on having it professionally tuned or just be happy with less punch. The only benefit I got was the ECU maintaining idle. And with cold starts.

[@starbattles1]

@Aeternalis Armentarius Actually I have the FiTech unit. EZ EFI is just what sticks in my head. 1200hp boost capable unit. If you like the FI Tech unit I'll trade you it for a Holley system. It has less then 1k miles on it. The new holley systems cost the same as this did.

[@hmackprotection1]

7:22 Sheesh! That’s a bad ass looking gen1 Challenger..

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

It's dyed purple , must be good.😂

[@quatre5555]

What about breaking the camshaft in?

[@Silkmaster4200]

quatre5555 they put in breaking oil first. If that helps lol

[@yamahaguy1732]

quatre5555 I’m sure this wasn’t all done in one day

[@bryantcurtis2665]

Check out uncle Tony’s garage or Nick’s garage

[@greatnortherntroll6841]

Why don't you guys collapse the hood hinges? It's a ridiculously easy and FAST process, and then theres no hinge sticking up to poke you in the eye, or get in your way! It was always standard procedure in my shop to pop off the springs, and lay those hinges flat, if the hood was off.

[@maxfastest]

Every comparison I've seen on these conversions has not netted more than 1 HP and 2 MPGs So there isn't a lot of gains for that massive price tag !!!

[@randypullman1155]

I can't believe it. The one thing I'm on the fence about the sniper was the ecu is built into the throttle body...then you install that ecu onto the header....

[@zippythechicken]

Air Date: October 23, 2016 .... I just heard that a large group of hotrod magazines just went under last week.. Car Craft is one.. Lowrider is another... its sad this is lost on today's generations

[@NiteHawk861]

How about a locker for that one tire fire lol

[@albertgaspar627]

I wonder if variable duration lifters would have helped--they calm the cam down until around 3,000 RPM, which may be when most EFI goes into WOT mode? Certainly, the mild cam should have been offset with at least Vortec heads. Bigger ports don't create a vacuum issue like tons'o overlap--unless you screw up a gasket :) What I do know--don't use a gear drive in place of a timing chain. The vibrations can set off a knock sensor screwed into the block.

[@frankthespank]

3:08 Nice rip-off of Finish What ya Started by Van Halen playing there, LOL

[@rangerdanger9485]

I like how he did the Elmore closing scene impersonation

[@renc3920]

St. Paul?? Where's "A Guy" (Derek) from Vice Grip Garage?

[@mikejohns3104]

At 2:27 there was a huge fuel spill. I cannot believe you showed this since we all know it happened in California.

[@michaelanderson4836]

3000 _4000 I use a good carb I'm good Or do a ls swap with a 6 liter Ls. Stlye lq 9 or lq 4

[@matthewmiller2268]

Did you break in the cam properly after installing the pro-flo 3 efi before taking it out on the road?

[@LoboAzul7475]

Anyone else caught a glimpse of that beautiful Javelin @ 6:19

[@ANOCKS]

Was there any updoc on the cam?

[@lollis_garage3683]

Not a bad build at all, you can’t go to crazy on cam because of the stock heads, but I still probably would have went roller cam even though it’s not necessary. But this would be a great and reliable cruiser!

[@TwentytenS4B8]

Who else thinks that new cam now has flat lobes?

[@michaeldockery9937]

Yeah I was wondering about the cam break in? Lol

[@arnulfob3454]

Maybe the breakin oil helped ?

[@pontiac411]

I don't know about that, it's a very lazy lobe but I wish they would have dynoed before and after to see how much power you loose for $4000.00 +. Those cam specs are pathetic and should not be needed for any decent modern day EFI.

[@gunprojects5398]

They prob do their break ins off camera

[@adriantomlin2902]

Ok! Your installing a fuckin fancy ass port fuel injection unit. Yet it can't handle the "lumpy" cam that's in it?! Wtf?! Too sensitive??!!

[@jaimecervantes3896]

My dream car 🚘 Chevy nova “

[@maxwelllevy5760]

such a good drag conversion car

[@FirstLast-we8cb]

@@maxwelllevy5760 They're lovely. Then again I don't think I've met a fun car I didn't like.

[@jimthomas777]

Jaime Cervantes , mine has a built 327 , aluminum high rise intake , 750 cfm carb , MSD distributor and MSD multi spark box , stainless steel headers , ,steel SFI flywheel , 11 inch heavy duty clutch , M-21 Muncie 4 speed trans , 12 bolt posi Trac rear end with 4:11 gears , traction bars , rear trunk mount battery and radiator

[@jameslacey858]

Please find this poor little Nova a 427cu in BB with a M22 4 speed maybe a Dana 60 with some 4.88 gears on a 31 inch tire. By the way the 427 will need a 1050 Dominator to keep it pulling to the end of the 1/4 mile.

[@piratefueljim]

What size cragar ss wheels dis you put on it?

[@phoenixblack1220]

Your guys music knock off’s are hysterical!

[@jasonhayes9776]

I didn't know you could remove the timing cover with the oil pan in place. I was sure it would leak after.

[@marshdonald1134]

It's a 2 piece timing cover

[@normhodgkinson6965]

@@marshdonald1134 looks like a one piece cover to me. they do a lot of things here we don't hear about, because they want us to think the changeover is easier than it really is.

[@crankychicken1151]

You can get the cover out but not back in with out triming the timeing cover bottom lip were the oil pan gasket is

[@normhodgkinson6965]

@@crankychicken1151 yep thats true, but not without a lot of Permatex Ultra Black silicone gasket maker, and hope for the best.

[@canabox7112]

My buddy spent $3000 to lose 28 HP. It ran good and ETed about the same but I think the money would have been better spent elsewhere

[@adamcosta4610]

That is a very mild cam, I wish we knew some info on the original. I run a more aggressive cam and carb and having to swap out cam (potentially) would be a deal breaker for me, personally.Static Compression, stall, gear eetc...none of that is going to change with a convert to EFI but the DCR most certainly will with that new cam

[@adamcosta4610]

Dave Micolichek thank you for this info. Very helpful. I appreciate it

[@terrywillis9383]

I have a 1992 Chevy truck short wheel base. Needs complete restoration. Where is a great one stop shop for all items needed? Someone help please.

[@copisetic1104]

I’d keep the original setup, not one thing wrong with it.

[@dw8840]

Wonder what the benefit is from running an MPI like these guys did vs a TBI like a FiTech?

[@Lifesrad8]

Damn that's beautiful

[@mindeloman]

Nice peg leg burnout 18:45.

[@gregh5343]

What was the height of the cowl induction hood you installed on the 72 Nova, 2 inch or 4 inch?

[@everettgrover9459]

looks like a 2 inch at first glance

[@bretta3]

I hear that the fuel sump can run dry during hard driving.

[@crazylarryjr]

you guys need a posi in that thing

[@XC2long4u]

What in royalty free Stranglehold is going on with the music? OMG GNR too!!

[@justheretowatch3778]

No o2 censor install ?

[@masterofnonetv8361]

I really like this efi system. I'm thinking about it for my sbf.

[@tomnekuda3818]

1972 - Traded my '70 RoadRunner for a Nova.....biggest POS I've ever driven....pumping oil at 30K....so light in the ass end that it would switch ends on you in a microsecond. Paint fell of in pieces the size of potato chips. Other guys loved theirs.....mine must have been made on a Monday..... That is a really sweet EFI kit....everything is done for you....bet it's costly.

[@BruceLee-xn3nn]

Get rid of those front drum brakes

[@Pancho-ws1sw]

Iv always wanted a nova like this but black on color

[@chrisburge54]

Was there any increase in hp?

[@tommyhallum2747]

I doubt it. Maybe better throttle response tho.

[@zoltanhortobagyi4323]

@@tommyhallum2747 fuel mileage?

[@PaganWizard]

Nice, but is it available for a Pontiac 400/455 and a Ford 289???

[@jerrychacon8814]

To bad you didn't check hpower before and after, as well as mpg

[@jamiejohnson1200]

Burnout at Floyd and Bailey, now I know who did it!

[@sebbonxxsebbon6824]

Seems like a smallish cam, I have an efi small block running a .520/.520 cam and it runs great.

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

His speil about needing a smaller cam for EFI is total BS, EFI can handle much wilder cams.

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

@Dave Micolichek - then the logic is, get a better EFI system, not a smaller Cam.

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

@Dave Micolichek - compare the cost of labor to strip things down, remove old cam, fit new cam, put everything back together, plus cost of cam,... versus by a better EFI ECU. Bet the ECU is a more cost effective option once you include all the costs.

[@FirstLast-we8cb]

I think Tom is cool.

[@tipkec]

HEI Distributor ?

[@hisbabygirlz21]

Great looking car epic fail on the 1tire fire 🔥

[@crankychicken1151]

Why use a flat tappet cam.you need zinc adative.o2 sensors do not like zinc .

[@FortyTwoAnswerToEverything]

I would've loved to use this system on my dad's old 76 Pontiac Grand Prix with the 350. He sold it over 10 years ago and he misses it to death.

[@kennethhacker1341]

My dad has the same car I remember when he brought it home . It was brand new and I remember it was a really hot day

[@sevenhornets]

All these guys have through the same speech class. They all have the same word count per minute.

[@adamdoupe570]

Would a setup like this still make that blissful 4 barrel roar at wide open?

[@geremychubbuck3730]

No cam break in?

[@pontiac411]

Disclaimer, this is an advertisement for Edelbrock and should not be seen as an actual upgrade with the exception of cold start and financial reduction to your bank account that no fuel savings could ever recover.

[@scotttackett4315]

Please add the original air date in the info section. Thanks for all the vids.

[@deopersad2915]

That's awesome 👍🏾 but could I win all the old part's as I like old school carby , but probably go with a roller cam 🤔🤔

[@clarkleakins879]

Nice car, nice stance. I suggest that you install the optional stainless drip rail mouldings on the roof rails. Just that little will much improve the curb appearance, give it a more finished look.

[@mlett1210]

Is the red nova for sale??? Very interested

[@joshruby]

I hope you broke that flat tapped cam in better than you are showing.

[@bilbobaggins4710]

Hell no

[@TwentytenS4B8]

Anybody wanna buy a flat small block Chevy cam..slightly used?

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

Royal Purple BIO is great stuff! ;)

[@Roboticgladiator]

Breaking in a new cam with a new fuel injection system trying to learn its tuning is a real challenge. I guess the cam only needed to last long enough for a couple of beauty shots and some wheel spin.

[@ClassicSilveradoTrucks]

Great video! I gotta ask though... what is the name of that red on the Nova? Looks incredible!

[@JB-yc5gc]

Great video!!! is it necessary to change out original camshaft when installing the PF4?

[@aaroncallahan1467]

Can i buy the nova

[@kennethhacker1341]

Wow 12 Btdc what was the total timing?

[@Pgcmoore]

outstanding!!!

[@lukezivkovic3233]

Sorry mate but that isn’t a burnout competition. Come to Australia. Well show ya 🇦🇺

[@lynndragoman1573]

So you can't use that EFI with a big cam?

[@lynndragoman1573]

@Aeternalis Armentarius thanks for the quick reply. I will save $3000 and stick with the carb

[@TwentytenS4B8]

Yes you can, if you tune it properly.

[@lynndragoman1573]

@@TwentytenS4B8 how do you tune it properly? I put a cam in a throttle body truck and after calling Crower they told me it couldn't be done. I don't want another headache at that price point.

[@TwentytenS4B8]

@@lynndragoman1573 The cam specs have to be entered in the base tune so the ECU knows what it is dealing with. Then you drive it and data log and tweak the tune based off of that. For the most part, the ECU will learn what it needs.

[@elonmust7470]

You can do a LOT more with fuel injection. Go look at fueltech's website. It's almost 2020........

[@johngutierrez5015]

Is there a efi throddle body for a v6 4.3

[@marshdonald1134]

Summit max efi 500

[@60guitarzan]

Was there a valve adjustment, or "torque & go"?

[@TwentytenS4B8]

There is always lash adjustment. It's never "torque and go."

[@60guitarzan]

@@TwentytenS4B8 Newer engines ARE "torque & go". I just wasn't sure on your engine. I thought maybe you modified it.

[@cwathne]

Why not Edelbrock Pro Flo 4 ?

[@mplante7352]

these shows are old likely before the PF4 system was out.

[@gearhead1234]

That whole new fuel injection "kit" probably cost as much as the rest of the car.. I'll pass... Btw... Why didn't you get rid of those crappy heads and put on a set of Vortec heads?

[@jclitherland]

When did this episode first air?

[@charmingpistolpete5103]

Jason 2016 I believe