Blown 383 Stroker Has Trouble on the Dyno, What Happened? - Engine Power S7, E4

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POWERNATION

POWERNATION

4 жыл бұрын

The crew from Carcass needs plenty of power to move their 1-ton military truck. Our answer: supercharge a 383 ci V8!
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@sjhanson1690
@sjhanson1690 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a retired Master Engine Machinist and I've assembled hundreds if not thousands of engines and let me just say that it was a nice thing to see that you used the speed wrench and not any air tools when assembling the engine. Someone who knows does NOT use air tools when assembling engines. The speed wrench is your friend. You have to be able to feel everything when turning bolts/nuts.
@benjamins9121
@benjamins9121 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I always buy and read the accompanying book to any engine I'm rebuilding and not one of then recommends an air tool.
@figgiefigueroa7372
@figgiefigueroa7372 3 жыл бұрын
Considering some bolts needs certain psi
@slabbusterrtr7690
@slabbusterrtr7690 3 жыл бұрын
Im not even a engine builder and wouldnt use air tools on any part of building a engine I wanna feel what im doing
@johnnymontana2536
@johnnymontana2536 2 жыл бұрын
@@figgiefigueroa7372 What do you mean?
@figgiefigueroa7372
@figgiefigueroa7372 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnymontana2536 I mean that when you have a bolt, you need to apply certain amount of pressure. If not you can break it or it can be stripped
@billiondollardan
@billiondollardan 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe some viewers get bored with detailed tear downs, but I love it. I learn a lot from them
@williamromero4445
@williamromero4445 4 жыл бұрын
I agree I enjoy them and might. Learn something to. 👍
@andycocchia4202
@andycocchia4202 4 жыл бұрын
You call this a detailed teardown? Go Watch Texas Speed and Performance tear down Cleetus' world record engine. That I can watch, this (cylinder head building part aside) quite boring.
@billiondollardan
@billiondollardan 4 жыл бұрын
@@andycocchia4202 Did you even watch the video? They totally skip the tear down. That's the point. Most of us like watching the detailed work they do
@andycocchia4202
@andycocchia4202 4 жыл бұрын
billiondollardan guess I miss understood. I thought you meant this was a detailed tear down. I notice a lot of their videos don’t have much for wrenching. Just a bunch of talking.
@billiondollardan
@billiondollardan 4 жыл бұрын
@@andycocchia4202 well dude I went to texas speed and performance right after your comment lol. That's an amazing video. Thanks for sharing because I had not seen it before
@MrTNBassmaster
@MrTNBassmaster 4 жыл бұрын
Ring gap wasn't setup to run a supercharger. Under boost the ring gaps start to close , if there's not enough room this will pop a piston land.
@mitchnelsonperformance
@mitchnelsonperformance 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@jezkrubeck8116
@jezkrubeck8116 2 жыл бұрын
@@mitchnelsonperformance Was also wondering about why they didn't use dished pistons for the boost?
@dailydose8035
@dailydose8035 2 жыл бұрын
@@jezkrubeck8116 you don’t have to run a low compression ratio/dished piston with boost, it just helps.
@dailydose8035
@dailydose8035 2 жыл бұрын
@@jezkrubeck8116 helps the engine stay together that is
@razoreyes45k
@razoreyes45k Жыл бұрын
Hope to get those SBM heads one day. I like the TF Intake Manifold too. Using fully ported 974's and RPM Air Gap till then.
@richb.4374
@richb.4374 4 жыл бұрын
Boosted and nitrous applications require a wider piston ring gap because of increased heat. The ring gaps in this engine were too tight for boost.
@tonyblackburn5002
@tonyblackburn5002 3 ай бұрын
Exactly
@itsalltaken666
@itsalltaken666 4 жыл бұрын
Glad Mike stuck it out on Horsepower. He turned into a great show tech. Thanks for the uploads
@mrwd1234
@mrwd1234 3 жыл бұрын
It's called ring end gap. Geez. Ya'll need to start watching some Richard Holdener videos.
@cowsauce9099
@cowsauce9099 3 жыл бұрын
This has to be it. I was thinking the same
@BubbaAyers1969
@BubbaAyers1969 3 жыл бұрын
First thing that came to mind as well..as soon as I seen it
@jarredsmith8091
@jarredsmith8091 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@peted5217
@peted5217 3 жыл бұрын
Ya , you'd think these folks would have covered 'End Gap' in spades. That and 'blower pistons' with top ring abit lower down for land strength and more 'heat shelter'
@hondaservicecenter
@hondaservicecenter 3 жыл бұрын
These videos were made long before his series
@durban23496
@durban23496 3 жыл бұрын
2:20 "We can run it until it flushes parts out. But we arnt going to do that".. 17:24 STOP STOP STOP STOP
@waynetate9895
@waynetate9895 4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate seeing failures as well as victories. Love the content.
@mrmidnight32
@mrmidnight32 3 жыл бұрын
17:00 is what we all clicked for. I’ll save you 17 minutes.
@wills.5762
@wills.5762 3 жыл бұрын
The hero we need
@johnnyo3fan
@johnnyo3fan 3 жыл бұрын
Now that's the best episode I've seen. You learn so much more when things go wrong. Unfortunately, that's how I usually do my learning.
@bryantcurtis2665
@bryantcurtis2665 4 жыл бұрын
I had a cocktail for every pen Pat has in his pocket.
@alecbaldwinsnotpropgun
@alecbaldwinsnotpropgun 4 жыл бұрын
And you can still type words? That’s surprising, you sir can drink
@LandonRoy-cv9rt
@LandonRoy-cv9rt 4 жыл бұрын
You may now be an alcoholic hahaha
@daytona1073
@daytona1073 4 жыл бұрын
Challenge Accepted... 🍺🍺What sort of time table are we talking? Slowly, over the twenty-one minutes of the video? I have beer, but I want to enjoy it slowly... College was a long time ago... 😎😎
@bmstylee
@bmstylee 4 жыл бұрын
@@daytona1073 shots of whiskey. Have at it.
@ldnwholesale8552
@ldnwholesale8552 4 жыл бұрын
alky!
@hugieflhr03
@hugieflhr03 4 жыл бұрын
The NOS runs probably came real close to lifting a ring and cracked a ring land . I’m disappointed that we didn’t see the cylinder head damage or cylinder bore damage.
@irench
@irench 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. The poor dog was about to have a failure from the NOS and the Timer just went off. I want to know how much went through that blower. I've seen the results of catastrophic failure on a roots blower. The smallest of pieces will total a rotor.
@joshtheking1772
@joshtheking1772 4 жыл бұрын
Oh there is gonna be a second episode of this build coming. You can bet your piston rings that there will be a part two.
@axlegrind4212
@axlegrind4212 4 жыл бұрын
the piston was torched, not broken from ring butting. granted there are some solid imprints, but the piston melted first. after the loss of compression of a ring butting the aluminum is not going to pile up flakes like that. the fuel was not adequate for the cylinder pressure of 11% overdrive and 10:1 compression.
@wolfman9999999
@wolfman9999999 4 жыл бұрын
Yep. They might have had time to go deeper into the damage if they wasn't so busy filling their time up with infomercial B. S.
@Mike383HK
@Mike383HK 4 жыл бұрын
Aluminum heat treat the opposite of steel. When you heat up to 600, 700 degrees and up and then quickly cool, it anneals. The nitrous runs with helium quenching does it. Add ring gap and a few other problems and it all ads up.
@stevemiller5525
@stevemiller5525 4 жыл бұрын
So great to see this. Not a failure, just real life. Keep up the good work! Or fun!
@guardrail2897
@guardrail2897 4 жыл бұрын
Pat is the kinda guy you see at the track and make fun of his pocket pens. Then you see him rebuilding a motor that by the end of the weekend runs the fastest time.
@hoilst
@hoilst 3 жыл бұрын
Dude ripped his tape measure from his belt and used it to point at the screen. It was the exact same motion you'd expect a special forces soldier uses to draw his sidearm.
@85superchris
@85superchris 3 жыл бұрын
I get so much from these shows. One day ill build my own engine and swap it in my sleeper volvo. Love the green! Thanks you guys rock!!
@haydenmadigan8186
@haydenmadigan8186 4 жыл бұрын
“We can run it till it flushed parts out of it but we aren’t going to do that” famous last words
@Roboticgladiator
@Roboticgladiator 4 жыл бұрын
Someone forget to re-gap the rings?
@shottyshot
@shottyshot 4 жыл бұрын
If rings touched it would be a broken piston not melted. The problem here was the piston material was annealed over time and thus softened the metal.
@mikeeagle2653
@mikeeagle2653 4 жыл бұрын
shottyshot it is a broken piston. It’s not melted.
@mikeeagle2653
@mikeeagle2653 4 жыл бұрын
shottyshot they didn’t gap the rings. Rookie mistake
@XxMusclecarsxX
@XxMusclecarsxX 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikeeagle2653 agree, it lifted a ring
@irench
@irench 4 жыл бұрын
They also didn't show the combustion chamber at close view. You can bet that required some repair replacement.
@1977jelliott
@1977jelliott 4 жыл бұрын
That piston has been damaged because of too tight a ring gap, no mistaking that damage.
@hermanman8235
@hermanman8235 3 жыл бұрын
I never get bored watching this kind of videos over and over again.. especially when a v8 was fitted with a supercharger.sorry for my bad English.excellent video
@kenswitzer4133
@kenswitzer4133 2 жыл бұрын
I am a mopar fan from the 70's , but wanted to see the 383 Chevy today. I appreciate your mix and educate
@RedfishCarolina
@RedfishCarolina 3 жыл бұрын
He said "who knows what happened there?" while the camera points directly at the piston showing obviously broken piston due to ring expansion. That supercharger develops a ton of heat.
@billrivenbark8983
@billrivenbark8983 3 жыл бұрын
I always wondered how they were able to cast the ports and passages into heads and manifolds. Nice!
@peep39
@peep39 2 жыл бұрын
My father and sister have been hemming and hawing for years about what sbm mopar heads to get for their project together, and I'm going to steer them to trick flow. I'm glad you included that segment in the video, and I'm glad I found it. thanks
@Voiceoverguyfromch
@Voiceoverguyfromch 4 жыл бұрын
BEST TEAM TO WATCH!!!! Mike and Pat kill it every episode!!! the haters are gonna hate.......i like the green......be different BE BOLD!!! ageing well gentlemen....god bless
@stanleykendziorski7964
@stanleykendziorski7964 4 жыл бұрын
This show
@trillrifaxegrindor4411
@trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 жыл бұрын
green is not a chev color and looks like snot
@Hyprmtr
@Hyprmtr 4 жыл бұрын
@7:57 The pushrods don't look like they are going in the original locations to me. He has them all bundled up in his hand.
@texdevildog9174
@texdevildog9174 4 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing when I saw that.
@Thraser999
@Thraser999 4 жыл бұрын
Well, yes, that was somewhat cringy to see...
@elonmust7470
@elonmust7470 4 жыл бұрын
@@Thraser999 stop saying that word.
@fiendwithout
@fiendwithout 4 жыл бұрын
I saw that too. He had a fist full of rod but if you listen it sounds like only the rockers were re used. Still a bunch of garbage acting.
@guyconnell2250
@guyconnell2250 4 жыл бұрын
When you have to provide an engine/blower color disclaimer. To mitigate the OCD keyboard commandos. LOL.
@h2oskiaddict
@h2oskiaddict 4 жыл бұрын
Like you wouldn't bad mouth this color choice in person? You must be a mopar fanboi.
@trillrifaxegrindor4411
@trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 жыл бұрын
to be fair,thats just about the ugliest color ever to be thrown on a sbc
@arthurdombroskie3083
@arthurdombroskie3083 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate seeing the good the bad and the ugly. You guys never cover up. Keep up the good work.
@cesarlaso356
@cesarlaso356 3 жыл бұрын
Engine master's ain't got nothing on power nation. I learn so much more from these humble guys.
@Ecosse57
@Ecosse57 4 жыл бұрын
the trickflow segment was cool to watch.
@jakemagda2593
@jakemagda2593 4 жыл бұрын
Proof that in this world, it's not a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when" and it doesnt matter your experience level.
@oldpolak5203
@oldpolak5203 4 жыл бұрын
Same thoughts here , if things are going to smoothly its its like a warning light for me to double check . Even by doing every thing right the unexpected bites me in the ass more often than not . But anyways we have to go on . Stay safe every one .
@joshuamaas5380
@joshuamaas5380 4 жыл бұрын
These guys are known for throwing shoddy builds with massive budgets
@socks876
@socks876 3 жыл бұрын
My guy, Pat, pointing with a tape measure! love it!
@frankcherry3810
@frankcherry3810 2 жыл бұрын
Wish you would do a short video on the importance of proper valve adjustments. Show on Dyno power loss on loose valves
@jeffnewton3507
@jeffnewton3507 2 жыл бұрын
Here is one they did on hydraulic lifters kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKnaXmuOqcqVg5Y
@cliffdaddy126
@cliffdaddy126 4 жыл бұрын
YOU DONE MESSED UP A-A-RON!!!
@sherryabu9280
@sherryabu9280 3 жыл бұрын
That looks like bad ring gaps. That was a chunk knocked out, not a melted piston.
@taxitel2078
@taxitel2078 4 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the next video!
@masonburroughs2082
@masonburroughs2082 4 жыл бұрын
This is probably my favorite episode so far..... I love the autopsy part of it.
@trillrifaxegrindor4411
@trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 жыл бұрын
a 2 minute autopsy with little analysis,worse than that stupid csi show.
@justinriley8651
@justinriley8651 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you showed this because things happen if you build enough of em something will eventually go awry. at least you had it on the dyno and not in the truck that really sucks!
@nathanlovern5283
@nathanlovern5283 4 жыл бұрын
I love grabber green. I painted my bike that color, 1980 goldwing I made into a naked wing custom
@metalbill
@metalbill 4 жыл бұрын
Carcass! I love that band!
@joeroubidoux2783
@joeroubidoux2783 4 жыл бұрын
Loved the way you all took it in stride and just manned up “to get er done” phase. Experience.
@BqqPax
@BqqPax 3 жыл бұрын
YOU DONE MESSED UP A-A-RON!!!
@anthonypratt4292
@anthonypratt4292 4 жыл бұрын
FINALLY.! I GET TO SEE A MOTOR GO UP.IN SMOKE ON THIS SHOW.! For years I always thought that you guys would never show a motor blow up. That was cool well no it wasn't But yeah it was..lol Can't wait to see all put back together
@bradleyj.fortner2203
@bradleyj.fortner2203 4 жыл бұрын
It looks like you're building it for Gravedigger.
@CallofDoobie585
@CallofDoobie585 4 жыл бұрын
@Lassi Kinnunen think they run the world product block or the dart blocks
@ModMotorMayhem
@ModMotorMayhem 4 жыл бұрын
I'd say the ring end gap was to tight, and it lifted the ring land
@Sir.VicSmasher
@Sir.VicSmasher 4 жыл бұрын
They built this engine to support nitrous and filed fit the rings to .024 in a previous episode.
@ModMotorMayhem
@ModMotorMayhem 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sir.VicSmasher it clearly wasn't enough
@stanleykendziorski7964
@stanleykendziorski7964 4 жыл бұрын
I call bullshit that the pistons weren't out.. look how clean and shiny those are still.. jus sayin
@jguti329
@jguti329 4 жыл бұрын
One has to consider the piston material and how far down the piston ring groves sit, compression, and intended use. I set ring end gap on street performance 383s to .024" but I've gone as far as .032 on a dedicated towing truck motor.
@kennethmraz8396
@kennethmraz8396 3 жыл бұрын
I just love the tear downs I get so much out of it
@1996slamster
@1996slamster 4 жыл бұрын
The acting is top notch guys. Really... it's right up there with Freiburger & Finnegan!
@hugieflhr03
@hugieflhr03 4 жыл бұрын
It goes to show even the best run into problems.
@stanleykendziorski7964
@stanleykendziorski7964 4 жыл бұрын
Best is a loose term in this application..
@elonmust7470
@elonmust7470 4 жыл бұрын
These people are not even remotely close to the "best"..
@noodleloves
@noodleloves 4 жыл бұрын
best? good grief. with the ring gaps too close causing this damage? my 3 year old could have done better.
@rongravel4585
@rongravel4585 4 жыл бұрын
There was a lot of detonation marks on all 4 of those pistons. It got hurt when they sprayed it.
@quevicular
@quevicular 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing you guys were so quick to pull back on that run
@kevinshiley9061
@kevinshiley9061 3 жыл бұрын
Haha, its the color you painted it!! We painted on the same green for a dirt track car, and it went boom. Unfortunately we didn't get it shut down fast either!!
@fredricklogan7256
@fredricklogan7256 4 жыл бұрын
You guys chose the perfect color for that blower/engine combo, and the black sets it off. Great job guys
@blanchae
@blanchae 4 жыл бұрын
300+ dyno runs - that's amazing!
@elonmust7470
@elonmust7470 4 жыл бұрын
That's a lie...
@GrandPitoVic
@GrandPitoVic 4 ай бұрын
I LOVE THAT ENGINE COLOR!!!! looks great guys.
@joebledsoe257
@joebledsoe257 2 жыл бұрын
My Mom used to tell me you're going to wear it out, just taking it apart and putting it back together so much. This one been around the block a bunch.
@studio571
@studio571 4 жыл бұрын
ring gap
@speedracersrt8250
@speedracersrt8250 4 жыл бұрын
I love watching theses guys
@tsimpson007
@tsimpson007 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys this was very interesting 👍
@PANTYEATR1
@PANTYEATR1 4 жыл бұрын
the engine looks good with the color combo. anything worth building, is worth over building...even if it's just cosmetic💪
@chrisvig123
@chrisvig123 4 жыл бұрын
I’m very surprised a modern sophisticated dyno like that wouldn’t have an auto shutdown when it sees a parameter so far out like that 😯
@hiddenman99
@hiddenman99 4 жыл бұрын
What would you look for that would have saved a ring land?
@wolfman9999999
@wolfman9999999 4 жыл бұрын
18 and a half minutes of infomercial for two minutes of actual content. This is why I quit watching these shows on TV.
@SvenTviking
@SvenTviking 4 жыл бұрын
The bad metal music gets on your nerves and I’m a metal fan. But all these shows have generic metal background music.
@fiendwithout
@fiendwithout 4 жыл бұрын
Cookie cutter garbage.
@thomaspierce9374
@thomaspierce9374 4 жыл бұрын
Preach brother. Shows like this are horrible. Motortrend on demand is waayyy better
@anarcowhatever
@anarcowhatever 4 жыл бұрын
No one can take this seriously...
@Mercmad
@Mercmad 4 жыл бұрын
@@thomaspierce9374 Nicks Garage is here for those who want to see real people doing real stuff with Engines.
@protuningaustralia6795
@protuningaustralia6795 2 жыл бұрын
I Love the colour combo guys.
@genegeneish
@genegeneish 3 жыл бұрын
If this was or wasnt NOs, ive seen this plenty. The fuel mixture went lean and detonation is what broke that piston
@robwebster1098
@robwebster1098 4 жыл бұрын
2:20 we can run it til it flushes parts Motor: bet
@MiamiZombie2012
@MiamiZombie2012 4 жыл бұрын
@@bigboreracing356 Bet money son
@kennydemartini2169
@kennydemartini2169 4 жыл бұрын
@Wikkitt Klown Agreed. It seems like every video on KZbin has that stupid 'bet' or 'hold my beer' comment. It's getting old....
@BqqPax
@BqqPax 3 жыл бұрын
17:00 is what we all clicked for. I’ll save you 17 minutes.
@gansorsgarage228
@gansorsgarage228 4 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the cam timing wheel? I like the finger grooves in it and the size.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 4 жыл бұрын
Fire ring expanded because of the heat , cracked the piston, aluminium powder burnt/melted/vaporized being small particles,the bigger parts bounced around. Cylinder was running lean,it's way less colored by soot than the two others : 12.4 AFR for a boosted engine is not safe AFR as i know. Ring gap was incorrect + lean cylinder = kaboom. 12.4 AFR on ONE wideband is just an average ,so you definitely will have at least one cylinder leaner than that. You should try to check AFR per cylinder just for fun on this same set up,could be interesting to watch,and a safe investment for your builds.
@fredricklogan7256
@fredricklogan7256 3 жыл бұрын
Love love love the green.... Ob did i say i love the color of the engine
@sargentsakto9236
@sargentsakto9236 4 жыл бұрын
I would have been perfectly happy with the 560hp they had before the blower. The stock trans would have had problems with that. I like the green. With black it would look great.
@rhawk2424
@rhawk2424 4 жыл бұрын
That was 100% ring gap's fault. I would like to have seen the piston out of the cylinder with an up-close inspection. Plus, those pistons didnt look "great", they looked used. My guess is the ring was not checked or gapped properly for this setup and/or was damaged on a previous run and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. Makes for some good youtube though!
@jonathanlawson4667
@jonathanlawson4667 2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't as much ring gap as it was the nitrious that was used on this engine alot
@charleslowe522
@charleslowe522 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it was!
@fromthebackofmymind
@fromthebackofmymind 2 жыл бұрын
An install into a 62 Nova in it's first life. Then as a Dyno Mule, used and abused finally broke. The new 632cid Chevy Crate motors have been through dyno pulls to simulate 200 1/4 mile runs. Super stress eventually breaks any engine.
@fromthebackofmymind
@fromthebackofmymind 2 жыл бұрын
40 years ago, it took me 5 four hour nights to get the rings gapped on a 396 build I did. Every piston checked. Every ring gapped until exact spec by sealed power attained. Every valve spring height, every guide, every pushrod length. Every rocker contact tip. Main and rods. Cam and crank endplay. Deck height. And repeatable cc of each port and chamber. 60 man hours on one engine. Now I have a life. So, no time to build anymore of these types of money pits.
@jamesmusisca7547
@jamesmusisca7547 3 жыл бұрын
i like all of this technical engine stuff
@timothyfisher6227
@timothyfisher6227 3 жыл бұрын
Agree,got a '67 Ford p/u,motor rebuild was great!
@zososldier
@zososldier 4 жыл бұрын
That looks like bad ring gaps. That was a chunk knocked out, not a melted piston.
@fustyblatherskite2142
@fustyblatherskite2142 4 жыл бұрын
That was my first thought, insufficient ring gap.
@carlrapp601
@carlrapp601 4 жыл бұрын
You are correct sir . Poor gaps over boost and starting with to much compression with a roots charger it should only be 10 : 1 comp at the most these guys have Hollywood money so I dont think they do anything right it's all scripted and rehearsed
@LSxHunter
@LSxHunter 4 жыл бұрын
100%. You can probably get away with 6-8lbs on a roots with stock rings and most heads, you hit 9 it's bound to happen.
@Kill-Dozer
@Kill-Dozer 4 жыл бұрын
LMAO!
@axlegrind4212
@axlegrind4212 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kill-Dozer they must think the combustion chamber becomes a nut chopper and chops up those aluminum chunks into flakes. lol the flakes on the spark plug were melted on there not from being sliced and diced.
@GIGABACHI
@GIGABACHI 4 жыл бұрын
10:41 TrickFlow = Affordable price ? 🤣They lost it.🤪👌🏻🤣
@downhilldaddy9346
@downhilldaddy9346 3 жыл бұрын
Some awesome bullets y’all build on here 💪🏾
@davidmiller4594
@davidmiller4594 2 жыл бұрын
The aesthetics of the roots style blower is Never boring.
@stanleykendziorski7964
@stanleykendziorski7964 4 жыл бұрын
I was expecting the crank was laying on the floor.. something catastrophic.. For the less astute among us, look at the end and how shiny underneath the pistons are.. not highly used like they claim.. and that is 100% a ring lifting failure, from the ends butting together.. I smell manufactured drama for tv, but that's just me
@atsernov
@atsernov 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't really look out of place for some 300 dino pulls and a bit of random BS with as much fresh oil as they'd run through that thing. It's not like this thing has been someone's daily driver for 10 years with extended intervals.
@stanleykendziorski7964
@stanleykendziorski7964 4 жыл бұрын
@@atsernov do you have experience with a motor that has that amount of hours on it? I'd say their claiming around 300hrs of hard use.. no way they would be shiny..
@Wrenchingandnursing
@Wrenchingandnursing 4 жыл бұрын
@@stanleykendziorski7964 a few things to mention here from someone who has grown up building engines, it's the family trade. They said they had sprayed the piss out of this engine, it is well known that nitrous cleans carbon deposits, especially loose carbon, the engine has *almost* exclusively been used for dyno purposes, typically engines don't build and hold onto carbon as much during high intensity/rev short duration running. Duration is exponential to carbon buildup where as intensity is linear. And the third, they only used 93 with octane booster or legitimate race fuel in this engine. Most pump gas has the same additives so the octane rating doesn't matter to much for buildup, however octane booster especially the expensive brands have considerably better cleaning agents than pump gas. Race fuel is usually even better. I'm not saying you are wrong as I have never sat and put the same engine on the dyno hundreds of times but it is believable, and not outside the realm of possibility. Same way as how some claim it was ring gap that took a chunk out of the piston. When metal overheats it becomes softer and as soon as it melts even a little bit it can do two things: melt to the wall, or harden enough between strokes to chunk out like it did. But they never removed the piston to see if it properly melted. Though I doubt it was ring gap as they sprayed the piss out of the engine, and without the rings gaped for the spray it would have turned into a frag grenade.
@atsernov
@atsernov 4 жыл бұрын
@@stanleykendziorski7964 Some, actually. Maybe not dyno use, but, yes. Pro3 race engines, some street builds, some normal street engines. The one thing I've noticed is that the harder/hotter they were run, the cleaner they tend to look. At the end of the day, it's a minor detail that doesn't matter much anyway. What's the difference if it was one pull or 300 hours? Ultimately, I've not seen them commit many sins with their builds.
@alanmyers5081
@alanmyers5081 4 жыл бұрын
Nitrous cool. Roots blower hot.
@anthonyr1080
@anthonyr1080 4 жыл бұрын
Well I've been building engines for some time now and I'll tell you what it looks like to me not enough ring clearance ring Gap Rings touch piston goes pop
@overr8ted2
@overr8ted2 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool of you guys to show a failure like that and see that it doesnt always go to plan
@NateCraven318
@NateCraven318 2 жыл бұрын
"First, some vulgar language, second some tool throwing..." LOL!
@scottsmith31
@scottsmith31 4 жыл бұрын
This was NOT a used and abused motor lol. The tops of the pistons were brand spanking new clean. These clowns didn’t gap the rings properly. End of story.
@rustypliers74
@rustypliers74 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Smith facts
@jeremyhall9346
@jeremyhall9346 4 жыл бұрын
Proof?
@vegeto186
@vegeto186 4 жыл бұрын
The clowns are both engineers with a combined 60 years of experience.
@mareksumguy1887
@mareksumguy1887 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Smith possibly. Interesting that they didn’t go into the CAUSE of the failure. Or is that still to come?
@fredc8346
@fredc8346 4 жыл бұрын
@@vegeto186 Then why do they act like clowns?
@Project-gr6zy
@Project-gr6zy 4 жыл бұрын
Could you guys do a supercharged or turbocharged Ford 300 I wanna see that torque down low smash any small block Ford Chevy or Mopar
@therobb5738
@therobb5738 4 жыл бұрын
I would 100% watch that.
@coltonwancho6571
@coltonwancho6571 3 жыл бұрын
One of those guys that thinks brand had anything to do with anything. Literally any motor can do whatever you want it to if it's built to do so. Has nothing to do with manufacturer.
@Project-gr6zy
@Project-gr6zy 3 жыл бұрын
@@coltonwancho6571 if you ask anyone who's built a straight six and 8 they will tell you that the 6 will be more torque capable nomatter what, 5l i6 vs 5l 8 and I said for all because they did a Chevy i6
@trillrifaxegrindor4411
@trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 жыл бұрын
not gonna happen dool
@Project-gr6zy
@Project-gr6zy 3 жыл бұрын
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 build up a 305 Chevy and come do some dynos and see I'll put 500$ on the table and you'll still lose on torque
@WyFoster
@WyFoster 3 жыл бұрын
Got to look at the AFR per cylinder. Probably was running lean due to uneven fuel flow.
@braleyshardwoodcustoms8584
@braleyshardwoodcustoms8584 4 жыл бұрын
Love the colors
@thatbikekid6410
@thatbikekid6410 4 жыл бұрын
* Starts craping on 6.2’s * Me: * Starts crying *
@AndyFromm
@AndyFromm 4 жыл бұрын
0:10 boat anchor
@fredbach6039
@fredbach6039 4 жыл бұрын
Fellows - I used to have to make slush baths at different temperatures for conducting radiation studues on hydrocarbons. So we need a selection of organic solvents to satisfy our need for a variety of slush temperatures. I froze them all down with liquid nitrogen. I had some very nice thermocouples potted in silicone rubber for confirming the slush temperatures. But CYCLOHEXANE just ate off all the silicone every time. The only one of my solvents to do it. Later I found it was excellent for taking the glue residue off sidewindow glass from those stick-on plastic frost preventers for car and truck and huge rig operations in the Prairie Provinces where she goes down to minus 60 degrees in December and January. Cyclohexane will eat that stuff right off the glass licketty split. Keep a bottle around your shop. It is highly flammable, however, and evaporates really quickly. Store it in a fairly tight-fitting cardboard box inside a metal storage locker. No smoking when using it. I hope that helps.
@lemmehaveone
@lemmehaveone 2 жыл бұрын
Cyclohexane to remove silicone eh? Good tip and neat backstory; thanks!
@chrisp7570
@chrisp7570 4 жыл бұрын
Some go...Some Blow!!!
@Shane-Singleton
@Shane-Singleton 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not an engine builder but I've watched a lot of youtube so here it goes. Do you think that the piston ring gap was too tight? Looks to me like the ring expanded, bound, lifted and blew a chunk out of the piston.
@Sir.VicSmasher
@Sir.VicSmasher 4 жыл бұрын
They built this engine to support nitrous and filed fit the rings to .024 in a previous episode.
@1996slamster
@1996slamster 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sir.VicSmasher and should of had .030 to .032 gaps for the blower.
@Sir.VicSmasher
@Sir.VicSmasher 4 жыл бұрын
@@1996slamster Watch them build the original engine Season 6 Episode 9. Its titled [How Much Nitrous for 720HP in a Small Block]
@1996slamster
@1996slamster 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sir.VicSmasher I don't want to watch it. I'm going by the fact you said the gaps were set at .024. Blower gaps need to be in the .030+ range. Blowers make huge heat and heat means expansion, expansion means even bigger gaps. Simple really. They should've known this. It died because the rings closed up.
@Sir.VicSmasher
@Sir.VicSmasher 4 жыл бұрын
@@1996slamster I recommended it because it shows that they were gapped per Mahle recommendation card for up to 14psi of Supercharged boost or +150hp of nitrous.
@mikemiller373
@mikemiller373 4 жыл бұрын
Need more end gap with a blower to allow for additional heat expansion. No zero gap rings allowed either.
@baby-sharkgto4902
@baby-sharkgto4902 4 жыл бұрын
Larger ring end gap is not specific to blowers. Larger ring end gap is needed with any power adder.
@Sir.VicSmasher
@Sir.VicSmasher 4 жыл бұрын
They built this engine to support nitrous and filed fit the rings to .024 in a previous episode.
@axlegrind4212
@axlegrind4212 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sir.VicSmasher if they ran this motor like they say, the ring gaps were well over .030" if they started at .024"
@1996slamster
@1996slamster 4 жыл бұрын
@@baby-sharkgto4902 Yes but nitrous oxide cools the the intake charge where a super-charger creates heat in the intake tract and more heat means more expansion. Therefor, super-charging requires larger ring gaps then nitrous oxide will.
@ivan23caravantes44
@ivan23caravantes44 3 жыл бұрын
Dam I wish the rest of the video was here. This was a great way to spend the last 20 minutes of my life.
@blanchae
@blanchae 4 жыл бұрын
Now that is someone who knows engines. Immediately shut down the dyno pull. Most operators don't stop until it blows up.
@fiendwithout
@fiendwithout 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm sure this wasn't fake as garbage.
@Bandicoot803
@Bandicoot803 4 жыл бұрын
17:14 - Actual Content.
@chrisramshur938
@chrisramshur938 4 жыл бұрын
They need to do a triton build
@ANGRY6LITER
@ANGRY6LITER 3 жыл бұрын
The back peddling was hilarious! "We were gonna give it away knowing it has been viciously thrashed... but now that it broke on us we'll do it right. " LMAO!
@yerboogieman
@yerboogieman 4 жыл бұрын
9:00 I was laughing out loud. That's perfect.
@Liemciemdk89
@Liemciemdk89 4 жыл бұрын
50 pens in on him didn't watch any Richard Holdener videos on boost
@heavylead1961
@heavylead1961 4 жыл бұрын
knowing Jeremy, would you really want him to help? he'd use a cutting torch to try to take off the gasket material! and carcass is a good name for his show, that's how all his builds end up.
@geebopbaluba1591
@geebopbaluba1591 4 жыл бұрын
That small block looks so funny green! Crazy
@gothicpagan.666
@gothicpagan.666 4 жыл бұрын
All good things must come to an end
@patturk7408
@patturk7408 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know about you, but I see lots of melted/eroded piston all over the inboard side of that piston crown. The area where the upper land "blows out" can sometimes indicate a cause. When you see a piston land blown out on the edge near the intake valve, it is a classic sign of detonation. Similarly a hole in the middle of a piston is likely preignition. Too small a ring gap cause a break out anywhere along the circumference. That piston was likely toast before that blower was installed as they talked about. Someone was overly optimistic on the nitrous use and remodeled a piston on the fly.
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 3 жыл бұрын
Detonation is certainly a possibility though it's hard to tell from the video, even though they do a decent close up. The big gouges are obviously from the chunk of piston that broke out, but what looks like detonation pitting around the edges could be carbon deposits. Shame they didn't show a close up of the bore to see if the typical vertical marking caused by ring butting was present.
@h2oskiaddict
@h2oskiaddict 4 жыл бұрын
Quiet clearly it grenaded because of the color choice.
@jamestom2510
@jamestom2510 3 жыл бұрын
I love Green, Great build Boys
@DennisMurphey
@DennisMurphey 4 жыл бұрын
I did that too, lifted a ring land on my 1st LS1 with a Magnuson I kept going to a smaller pulley until i ran lean when the meth injector got clogged. Spark plug was broken, pulled the head and piston looked just like yours. we digested that broken part. And cracked the Cylinder sleeve. so ... When with Iron Block, Mahle Pistons, H-Beam Rods and Crane Valve parts. Went 525 HP over 140,000 miles when built right they will last. D
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