Old School 302 Ford Goes High Tech - Engine Power S8, E9

[@4g63mark]

That engine wanted more RPM. 6,000 RPM is big block stuff. 302's like to rev

[@DuaneBrosky]

I ran my SBF to 7000 regularly.

[@CZ-kz7ug]

We need a breakdown of whats in Pat's shirt pocket.

[@americannostalgiagarage]

I met him once. First thing I asked was “why the f*** do you have 30 things in your pocket” he laughed. Pretty cool guy actually

[@rickb6694]

Could be it's own series lol

[@mattblack9344]

Guess he likes pens

[@OriginalMomo]

Pens, markers, a magnet, and a ton of Dad jokes….

[@11secghia]

@@OriginalMomo And the winner is......!

[@n2omike]

MORE RPM!!! Power curve was going almost straight up when they shut it off! SPIN that little 3" stroke!

[@starbattles1]

yea, this was horrible testing. More rpm, more fuel,

[@mustangmadness530]

@@starbattles1 i mean the computer already adds fuel and you dont want to spin a 302 past 6k too much cause they start coming apart trust me i own a fox

[@Texas_Road_Warrior]

@@mustangmadness530 with a professionally balanced rotating assembly there’s no reason you can turn 7000…

[@mustangmadness530]

@@Texas_Road_Warrior yes but if it’s stock block they won’t hold

[@cellphonelightsaber]

@@mustangmadness530 Not true! www.google.com/amp/s/www.motortrend.com/how-to/ccrp-0810-302ci-small-block-ford/amp/ Though, they use a Mexican 302 block which should be the strongest of the stock varieties. I would like to see how balanced internals in an H. O. block would do at 7K.

[@cecilnyman608]

That engine is to die for. That will fit perfectly in my 1963 Ford Fairlane

[@glenniz1]

As much as I loved the combination of Pat and Mike, I must admit that Frankie and Pat have truly become an excellent team. Frankie is now much more comfortable in his role, and Pat is jumping with joy, just knowing that he has a cohost who hasn't heard all of his Bad Dad Jokes!

[@wfemp_4730]

@@bigboreracing356 To the casual viewer, camaraderie adds to the appeal of the show. This isn't a classroom.

[@wfemp_4730]

@@bigboreracing356 As I implied, casual viewers aren't street racers.

[@americannostalgiagarage]

Did Mike leave?

[@jsimsgt96]

What is a bad dad joke?

[@billyjoejimbob56]

Pat and Frankie are a great team. Love the projects they do together!!!

[@thecaptain3773]

Pro-tip, on Windsor engines, always, and I mean always put a bit of anti-seize on the longer water pump bolts, you or the next guy will appreciate it, as there's a lot of 302/351s out there missing a water pump bolt, or like mine, have a stud welded in.

[@jamieschinkai1267]

Love this build. Sure it doesn’t make loads of power but this is the sort of engine that outlasts owners when properly maintained. You could beat on this thing all day at the drag strip and have no worrries about not being able to make it to work on Monday.

[@gomezh82]

I'm i the only one who watches this on Sunday morning while eating breakfast?

[@detroitpatriot7417]

No your not its me the WINNER

[@americanaxetoolco2076]

Eating breakfast right now!

[@facundovillegas8108]

Tomando mate en Argentina! Saludos.

[@Scubasteve22]

Nope. Doing it now! lol

[@artysmotorsports]

No sir. You're not

[@johnosborne1009]

I remember the trial and errors that we used to do with the Ford 289 with headers and a 500 two barrel. Take the Allen wrench and stick it in the vacuum advance to adjust the total advanced. Those were fun days getting out on the street and everybody thought it was a 289 hypo

[@williamdon3442]

One of if not Ford’s greatest creations.

[@jaylestingi]

Pat should have his own show and channel. You just get the feeling that he thinks about valve seat transitions and best stones to use for honing before he falls asleep at night. He is a monster!

[@lizzard8785]

Wouldn't be an episode without one of Pat's classic bad dad jokes..... thanks for the consistency guys! lol

[@pauldulworth2768]

@@bigboreracing356 fecking awesome!!!!!

[@mgmcd1]

He keeps all his jokes in a dad-a-base.

[@Kabodanki]

@@mgmcd1 pretty good

[@detroitpatriot7417]

Like quitting juicing job cuz he couldn't concentrate HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ha power NATION

[@detroitpatriot7417]

@@bigboreracing356 now you're getting personal

[@byedoughrods5403]

Love to see the old school knowledge come out( watering it)

[@philipstewart4474]

Power Nation has the Best Shows, watching a full motor build with a Dyno test is, for me so very satisfying to watch, keep up the great production folks! 🚗

[@MrCheckster2000]

Surprised with the tall tunnel ram intake that you didn't take it to 7k. Might have gotten a little more out of it. That's where my little 302 with a tunnel and decent sized cam made the most power.

[@johnpopoff7950]

Typical of a big bore short stroke combo. Chevy 302'S did the same and more.

[@GIZZMOTORSPORTS]

I'm a big fan of the channel and Holley Efi. You should mention to everyone that when tuning and add timing and no improvement you need to back timing back down. Same for fuel, if you lean it our and no difference you need to add that fuel back in. You did both on this one but didn't show putting it back. I sure hope you put it back to give this motor a chance to stay cooler and live longer.

[@timprice6265]

Wow just love watching you guys. I am currently restoring a 1990 Franco F100 sport utility series. To be given to my grandson when I pass. I am working on a budget. It is currently being sandblasted primed and a military undercoating. Beautiful truck only has a hundred and twenty thousand miles on it and was well maintained. Only thing lacking is a fresh motor so that we can pull a camper or both spend some time together. This boy has had it rough abandoned by both parents I am all he has. He is definitely a truck nut. Does not realize the project truck is for him. Everything is in blue tones. Just like that small block Ford.

[@robertkerr4199]

Hey.. you guys should do a build on a Dogdge V10 out of a Ram.. see if you can build it to out perform a Viper V10... I've always suspected that you could build a magnum V10 for way less than a used viper engine..

[@tigererickson8375]

It wouldn't be hard at all, but they weigh like 3x more, full cast iron black and heads. Also the srt10 trucks are actual viper engines so they're out there, and maybe even cheaper than you think.

[@randallmason9687]

A friend of mine had the V10 in His truck. He said that His 440 powered race car got better MPG than the truck that pulled it!

[@tigererickson8375]

@@bigboreracing356 I'm quite aware, but yes you're right.

[@danielZ32]

@@bigboreracing356 why you telling us no one cares

[@danielZ32]

just struck me as a little odd thats all no offence meant by it! hope you have a nice day.

[@bowhite1293]

It's a 400hp build or better pulling it past 6000rpm. It's still climbing pretty hard at shutdown.

[@TheDirtyBirchTrails]

I can't wait to put it in my Camaro !

[@kimcokevin]

Spin that thing. SBF’s like to rev, especially with those heads and intake.

[@Orygunner67]

I love the way Pat cackles at 20 minutes 43 seconds! He knows darn well his old school know-how just paid off!

[@indk240]

The terminator x looks amazing to work with. If they had selected less mediocre heads and a real cam shaft this thing would have made serious power

[@indk240]

@Frank Bonazza III exactly what I was thinking afr 185s and como xe272hr, probably would have hit 500

[@161Sheriff]

When will you finish the 300 in-line 6 with a turbo?

[@LimitedGunnerGM]

If this becomes a give away engine as well, I want the turbo 300!

[@hewittheier7094]

Amen, I'm working on one and want too add a turbo myself, but wanna see some numbers first!

[@Vaino_Hotti]

The 300 cui is the worse of the ford I6's to turbo, apparently the 240 and even the old 200 respond way better to forced induction.

[@Vaino_Hotti]

@@bigboreracing356 Oh definitely, but those are not from the same engine family anymore, and available only in Australia.

[@davidthompson245]

Yeah!,where is it

[@blackbutmild1]

That's a really nice daily driver hot rod motor.

[@papilloncycles3463]

amazing what that water temp difference brought!

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

The high ram looks badass on the little 8.2 deck

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

@@burritocat2018 everybody’s favorite song, hell yeah

[@benmcghan9207]

I have a 5.0 later in my old Ford trucks 87 Ford with 500 thousand miles on it and it still runs like a top

[@CJColvin]

Awesome brother my 96 F150 has a 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 in it with 209,000 miles and still going strong.

[@luckymanham302]

I had an ‘88 LX 5.0 Mustang. When I upgraded the heads/intake to GT40 variants and cleaned the block I saw a beautiful cross hatch pattern on all 8 cylinder walls. It didn’t get babied either 😂 Motor had 200k at this point. I love SBF’s

[@hdvictoryford5329]

Great job guys. Love that you are doing more and more SBF's. Keep them coming. Love the tricks you show as well.

[@fordnut4914]

One of my favorite builds was the great white hope ..😂 the 300 6 cylinder.that thing turned out to be an animal.

[@v8felon]

Love the small block ford builds

[@jk_navyko9006]

That was a good little 302! I love the Holley EFI system!

[@scottyknot7403]

My 5th gen bronco would love that engine...

[@charliewestdahl1012]

I have a 93 Bronco that has been sitting around for about 4 year's !!! Could really use an engine to resurrect the Bronco!!! Glad you guy's are on KZbin I try not to miss any episodes!!! Longtime fan!!!

[@Brock_Landers]

This would be a really nice powerplant for a cruiser Fox body Mustang or an OBS F-150. Plus, with the Holley Terminator standalone boost would be a great option for this small block.

[@mplante7352]

on a stock 302 block i'd avoid the boost with .060" overbore, would have made way more sense to start with a 351W

[@youngbuck160]

How would you connect that ecm/ecu to an E4OD transmission in an OBS F-150?

[@johnclary729]

This engine will look and work so good in my T-bucket autocross racer.

[@lewisdeclouette6342]

I want to watch this about 2 times at work

[@michaelrandell4021]

Wish you would do a 351w 427 fuel injucted strocker with a Holley tunnel ram and twin Fi Tech and throttle bodys set up.

[@dragonrider9051]

Doing a resto mod on a 1995 fleetside currently with the 5.0, working the interior first. That would be a sweet motor when you pop the hood to show it off.

[@williamsanders468]

Whoever gets this is gonna have a ball of fun, that engines going to want to rev like crazy

[@HammerHeadGarage]

Rev the crap out of her.

[@detroitpatriot7417]

It gonna eat eat eat power NATION baby

[@detroitpatriot7417]

She gonna be epic and LS no prep people are going to be stunned by the power this small block is going to make once I get it put in my 2011. F150 ..BY THEN I SHOULD HAVE THE LOW MILEAGE V6 RIPPED OUT AND SOLD FOR A PROFIT.OUR POWER NATION WINNER IN LIVONIA MICHIGAN. THANKQ. Power Nation

[@detroitpatriot7417]

@@HammerHeadGarage REV LOKE ITS IN 2011 F150 PRAWLING AROUND DETROIT MICHIGAN LOVE ♥️🇺🇸 POWERNATION 🇺🇸♥️

[@detroitpatriot7417]

Will have lots of fun once i have it installed in my 2011 F150 prawling around Detroit thanx 2 ♥️🇺🇸POWERNATION🇺🇸♥️

[@charlielucio2173]

Looks like a perfect fit for my 73 Mach .

[@mferrarorace]

Love that motor. I miss my 67 fastback.

[@refiii9499]

I’d love to have this engine in my 93 mustang. Nice build

[@SimplyTakuma]

After i get mad at Motortrend, i found this channel 🙏🏻❤️

[@adamp552]

Gotta love Fords!

[@frankpittman9049]

That would been nice in my 62 Fairlane 500 race car I am redoing. Not run since early 90s. In East Tennessee was and still part of the Sneaky Snake race team.

[@joeymccullough2716]

Pat, you’re a mechanical genius! Jokes-not so much😆

[@queensland3148]

Oh this sweet deal would be perfect for my 68 Cougar. My first car 👍🏻

[@JA-ox7hm]

Okay Boys, I have a challenge for you, that is if you even read these posts. I have a 1991 Ford f-150 that I have had since 1997 I have never upgraded the engine in anyway shape and or form until this month. I just put new long tube headers, 48,000v coil, 8.5mm wires, MSD cap and rotor. E3 spark plus and a Accel ignition module and I am installing a new pickup coil. Thus far that is all I am doing to it. I have noticed allot of replacement parts for this engine and I would love to see you guy build this engine with all of the performance parts that are for this model of engine. For instance like the performance replacement induction for this engine. I want to keep the stock look of it but want to do up grades in phases. I would love to see you guys play with this idea and let us know the benefits of these parts. Thank you! But then again I would like you folks to do a 245/265 Hemi slant 6 but hey first things first.

[@samuelriester1419]

Love the show! I don't mean this derogatory to you guys. But all I learned from this video is that those performer RPM heads are way out of date and left behind by newer head designs. Pretty much any flat top short block, AFR 185 renegades or trick flow twisted wedge 170 11rs with a comp XE274 HR will make like 430 with a dual plane and simple carb or 450 to 460 with a single plane and 7k RPM. That is just the typical 302 inch small block ford on the street these days, times have changed! I've never seen one done up with nice heads and as fancy of a top end as y'all use. But my guess is it would be pretty epic. I've got one myself with 185 renegades and a dual plane and it straight up rips. That head choice killed the build. The modern head technology is amazing.

[@gene2200]

.060 over! What year is that block? Still running a 594 roller 289 I put together in the 80s. The SB genius at Kirn auto in St Louis, now closed like many shops, took old 70 351 heads, took .040 off, uses Chevy stainless valves he trimed down, 1.64 and 1.90 and did a porting job that rivals today's heads, ported the Edelbrock torker to match, all crower valve train parts, At 10/1 he figured it's around 400+, even has header evac, boss oil pan and windage tray for higher revs. Have a 77 302sb from a 150 that's waiting to be built into?, have a steel boss 302 custom drilled, lightened knife edged crank for a healthy SB to spin things. My old 68 Cougar was reinforced during restoration for some serious torque. Wrinkles the tires as is, they are angry lil engines!

[@socleanmx6]

Spin that motor to 6800 .....and put some afr renegades with that cam they should be 7k 450 hp sbf

[@midnight347]

This. People don't realize not choosing the correct parts that work together and not revving the engine enough can kill horsepower

[@aguyinnc2865]

Would love to have this engine. Of course I would like to have the 351C y'all built awhile back too!

[@kennacraftjr.6513]

That is a awesome, awesome and Beautiful Engine. I have a perfect home for it. A 1973 Ford Courier street, strip setup.

[@masterofnonetv8361]

That would be a great power plant for my 66 mustang! I've already got the trans and 9" rearend.

[@jasonwalls1277]

They put a CNC 205 head on the LS that flows over 300 cfm and then put a 170 performer head that flows 230 cfm on the Ford and can't even make 400 hp. I'm a Ford guy and this engine wouldn't be a bad street performer but the 302 Ford can make alot more than that. I would love to go on there and show them how to make 450 hp from a 302.

[@mplante7352]

They did a 347" SBF not so long ago and at the 500HP mark they had to go to an aftermarket block so would have made more sense for them to use a 351W based engine if you wanted stock for stock, they would have made over 400HP easily and had more torque to back up the HP. they said the EFI will handle more which is great but if you wanted to do turbo or supercharger then the block becomes the weak link at .060" over i'd pass and used the stock crankshaft another cringe. you can do all of this stuff but does it make sense when your whole foundation for your house is made of popsicle sticks and gorilla glue?

[@vengeanceizmine9878]

450? 302? At what rpm? Exactly..

[@vengeanceizmine9878]

450? 302? At what rpm? Exactly..

[@xmo552]

I have some older World Roush heads. I can't remember the model. I've got a 88 moosetang. I can never decide if to build the 302 I love, stroke it, or go 351 stroker. I want to keep efi on this.

[@jasonwalls1277]

@@vengeanceizmine9878 7000

[@MrALPHA318]

I'm taking notes for my 302 I want to build!!

[@Diesel257]

I've always wanted to build a modernized short deck Clevor. Port fuel injection, coil near plug ignition, the works. See if I could go inch for inch with a Coyote.

[@rexcameron995]

clevor would give a coyote a good workout if stroked to 408

[@mchristr]

The graph was still climbing when Pat pulled it back. Based on Comp Cam's advertised peak of 6,300 and the torque, the engine should make 425 hp (assuming enough cylinder head flow). Great build with leftover parts.

[@johnlong4987]

I have a 1971 Maverick grabber that engine would be perfect for.

[@ralphdavis2107]

Perfect for my maverick when I finish it.

[@mattblack9344]

If you want more hp and torque ie 500 plus for your maverick, watch richard holdeners show on you tube

[@Bigchuck1kr]

When he was explaining that hot oil cold water makes more power and started the pull I smiled just before he did that thing sounded like it was pulling hard and strong and I thought in my head atleast 390hp and maybe 350ft/lb and I was basically right that engine is awesome I hope whomever won it is giving it the lead foot any chance he gets

[@thollingsworth4910]

That is absolutely beautiful.

[@CJColvin]

You guys should do the 7.3L Godzilla V8 next.

[@dougwilson7736]

I have a 1960 f100 this would go great in.

[@clydebalcom3679]

Y'all make a right pretty Blue Oval smallblock.

[@meek01__53]

Very nice engine set up, i think my 67 mustang convertible is going to need it 😁

[@trkinwithmikey]

That would look great in my 67 f100

[@Mr.EeToMyself]

I would love a new 302 for my factory numbered Ford. It's got to be blue.. a small block 302!

[@slabbusterrtr7690]

Nice 302 i want that 351c though in my 80 model ford 150 4x4

[@bhushamseunarine7879]

Just love this channel there's always something you could learn I wish I was live close by you all I would love to work and learn but must say great job 👌👍

[@JorgeHernandez-vs8jw]

Pick me, pick me! I would love to put this in my 66 Mustang. Doing engine work right now. Thank you for all the videos. JJH

[@devinbailey8483]

OG Pat and Youngin Frankie are such a good combo. Love the content. Happy for Frankie

[@v8felon]

Aluminum and stainless causes galvanic corrosion that means the timing cover, intake valve covers will be trash in a few years!🙃

[@FortyTwoAnswerToEverything]

I used to have a 94 Thunderbird LX V8 I loved. I'd love to find another one and put this engine in it. Should be a fairly easy swap since the earlier ones came with 302's as well (but I don't like the interiors in the pre-94 models)

[@leftcoastdrifter]

Sweet little small block build up, guys. Now let's see what it does to some newer rubber!

[@EliminatorPerformance]

So I've tried to find this cam on summit and it seemingly doesn't exist? There's no roller cams for a 289/302 with 114LSA so either they don't sell it anymore or the cam information in the video is incorrect. Edit: ok so I found the cam, it's the XFI series and it's for a 351w so I'm assuming it would change the firing order from the early style 302s

[@kencohagen4967]

I’d happy give your motor a nice home. I’ve located an old Falcon that super clean. The guy who has it tried swapping over to front disc brakes, and couldn’t find anything that would work. I think there’s got to be something available for that. The other thing he did was to put an AMC rear end in it, and I’m not sure that’s the best option. I’d rather have a 9” or 8.8” with rear disc brakes.

[@wdfaws8124]

Rev limit needed to be set higher. It was still gaining.

[@dieselyeti]

This motor would be FUN in a 2000lb Cobra replica.

[@1leggeddog]

couldn't concentrate, wow. The dad jokes are real.

[@289pinto]

@@bigboreracing356 nice 😆

[@B-Nazty]

Great video! Love the Small block Ford content!

[@lonnien.clifton1113]

THAT IS THE 302 I WOULD LOVE TO PUT IN A 67 MUSTANG GOOD WORKMEN

[@eddiedelacruz9321]

Take it till it rolls over

[@jeremymardlin5381]

For a fox chassis you really need a side entry top for the high ram.

[@KingJT80]

get a different hood lol

[@ramseycattn5941]

Give that thing some RPM!

[@curtis-thebicentennialist1776]

Man! This would go great with my son and I's 1979 F150 rebuild project.

[@jglew82]

Motion to rename dad jokes to "Pat Jokes." All in favor say aye.

[@cjruizgta]

Perfect for my fox body❤️

[@TrojanHorse1959]

I've always been told to not bore a 302/5.0 factory block over .030" because of the thin casting of those blocks. How well is that one going to hold up being bored .060" oversize?

[@mikecross4350]

Always heard the same about Chevy big blocks

[@msk3905]

I was thinking same thing, 0.060” over dang

[@andycampbell6032]

That 5.0 would be perfect for my wifes 95 mustang gt

[@coltmc7911]

That would be sweet if it was mine been trying too get my foxbody to run good again

[@donneezyracing5756]

Love the dad jokes🤣🤣🤣

[@craigwiess1656]

There was a person fired for sleeping with clients, they were a mortician.

[@jonathonadams6931]

I’d love to have that 300 6 sittin in the back

[@timconner4398]

Nice little motor guys! Would be great in my lightweight Mustang notch back!

[@Finite-Tuning]

Hmm, I kinda expected a little more out of it than that. Oh well, it was still fun to watch. Cheers 🍻.

[@oldscratch3535]

That's pretty standard for that level of build on a 302. My dad had a 302 in his drag car for a while and it probably made just over 300hp on motor. It was built for nitrous though so it really woke up when you sprayed it. It would tote the front tires past the 60 foot mark. I don't remember if it was bored .030" over or not. You really can't get more than 600hp out of a stock 302 block before they split in the valley. After the 302 he went to a 351 Windsor bored to the max and ended up around 460ci. That was a nasty motor. I don't know that I would have went with a Holley hi ram intake for a street application. They really make power at the top end and you give up a lot of low end which is better for street applications. On an LS, the standard truck intake beats pretty much all of the high dollar intakes on the low end. The Holley looks cool though.

[@monkeybarmonkeyman]

Hey, when you get more horse than your cubic inches, it's a good day. This is without any type of power adder.

[@Finite-Tuning]

@@monkeybarmonkeyman : True that, no arguments here!

[@donjohnston4215]

Seems like a bit of a mismatch, all great high-quality namebrand parts. But those heads are much more suited for a torquey street engine but the cam and intake system for more of a higher RPM Street strip car. With a nice dual plain air gap intake I believe you could’ve got very close to the same HP and had tons more down low, where you use it on the street. And where those heads are much more comfortable. The induction system would have worked much better with better flowing heads.

[@davidlefranc6240]

yeah just a little 302 if it was a 302 like in the modern mustang it could cuz 4 overhead cam and 4 valve per cylinder! but pretty sure a 351 or a stroker version would get over 600hp easy peezy with the same setup!

[@artysmotorsports]

So much knowledge in one video 😱

[@colbythorpe89]

Pat Topolinski has killed this show. Bring back Joe Elmore

[@jtmartin8445]

When the 4.2l in my 03 f150 bites the dust I'm thinking about going this route or building a stroked and supercharged 4.2l. Y'all should do a 4.3l stroker build. Super six motorsports has the kits and everything you need

[@chaseventrillaquist6458]

Whats crazy is the 302 in this episode made less power than the 4.3 stroker v6 with a 600 cfm carb that Super Six dynoed in their video! Less weight, more power! 💪

[@dragonrider9051]

That would look great in my OBS F150.