Getting More Power Out Of A 5.0L Small Block Ford - Engine Power S2, E9

[@PowerNationTV]

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[@eranidoobie]

I’m I’m sure the audience would love to see a bolt on fuel injection system on this engine for a test

[@mikecorleone6797]

PowerNation i need that engine for my 71 F100..... 😬

[@Frank289100]

THESE ENGINES WON LEMANS IN 1964 IN THE 289ci FORM IN THE GT-III CLASS AND BEAT FERRARI BY ALMOST 40 MINUTES. A YEAR EARLIER A FORD AC 289ci FIRST RACED AGAINST FERRARI WAS 20 MILES AHEAD WHEN IT BLEW AN OILER COOLER. IN THE COBRAS THEY SLAUGHTERED THE CORVETTES AND WERE NO COMPETITION. THESE ENGINES ARE A TERROR AND THE REASON YOUR LS TODAY IS BASED ON THE FORD WINDSOR SMALL BLOCK. JUST PUT YOUR FINGER INTO THE INTAKE PORT OF A LS AND YOU WILL SEE THEY CURVE INTO THE INTAKE VALVE AND IDENTICAL DESIGN TO THE WINDSOR WHICH IS A SPIRAL INDUCING COMBUSTION CHAMBER, WHICH ALSO THE HIGH RISER FORD 427 RAISED PORTS WERE USED BEING A FORD THEORY OF ENTERING THE CYLINDER AT A STRAIGHTER SHOT INTO THE CYLINDER GIVING IT BETTER FLOW. THIS IS THE REASON LS HEADS CAN GIVE YOU BIG BLOCK FLOW NUMBERS. CHEVY IS A JOKE. AND THE CAMARO IS IN BIG TROUBLE AGAIN, SLATED TO BE CLOSED DOWN A SECOND TIME BY THE MUSTANG. WHY DON'T YOU DO A EPISODE ON THE PURE STOCK COYOTE NMRA RACING. WHERE 425HP STOCK OFF THE FORD ASSEMBLY LINE ENGINES WITH COLD AIR INTAKE AND HEADERS ONLY WITH FORD'S TUNE COMPUTER. IN 3000LBS FOXBODY MUSTANGS ARE GOING 9.80'S ON PUMP GAS AND 9.40'S ON RACE GAS AND OUTLAW TUNE. THIS GOES BEYOND MIND BOGGLING HOW A 425HP COULD GO SO FAST. THE REASON FOR THIS IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THESE OVERHEAD CAM COYOTE ENGINES CAN REACH THE POWER BANNED EXTREMELY QUICK, WHERE AS A STANDARD PUSHROD ENGINE REQUIRES MORE TIME TO GET INTO THE POWER BAN. SO IN THESE HORSEPOWER COMPARISON BETWEEN THE LS AND THE COYOTE WHERE THE LS WINS MEANS NOTHING. WITH LESS HORSEPOWER THE COYOTE WILL TAKE DOWN AN LS QUITE EASILY. THE NEW COYOTE ENGINES WITH THE 460HP ARE GOING EVEN QUICKER. WITH THE OLD 425HP COYOTE IN A 2500LBS CAR, WOULD THEORETICALLY GO 8.90'S. YOU SHOULD BUILD A NMRA PURE STOCK COYOTE AND RACE IT. THIS WOULD MAKE A GREAT EPISODE.

[@miker1681]

Saw that sweet air powered valve spring compressor I Want one please ? Where can i purchase one ?

[@southdude6712]

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[@Ken-fisho]

Id be happy with the stage 1 with the bigger headers and carb for 532hp sweet

[@superkillr]

Funny how they didn't use that comparison. Probably because they spent an extra $3k to make 30hp.

[@KM-uw4ez]

@@superkillr right?? AND you have to use race gas. I'll take the 532hp on pump gas any day.

[@Ken-fisho]

@SquishBangBlow They have to help their sponsors sell their shit but were not stupid aye

[@sean5comet]

@@superkillr it's not just 30hp though, it's power all the way to 8k rpm. That is what you'll need if wanting more strip versus street

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Yeah, these are infomercials...

[@alexcorona]

under 350 cubes and 566 HP..... gotta love that Ford HP.

[@chloehennessey6813]

ACPHOTO Check out Chevys straight 6s from the 70s with turbos making 2,400 HP and doing 7.10 quarter mile times.

[@Odin3v]

@@chloehennessey6813 Why the fuck would we care. Ford has the Barra.

[@GucciBodyBags]

@@chloehennessey6813 the barra is better.

[@chloehennessey6813]

Unkle t0m When I see a Barra with stock block stock pistons, rings I’ll believe in Ford being built tough like these Chevy straight sixes doing sub seven second passes.

[@chloehennessey6813]

Brandon Smith Oh I thought you were racers-not fan boys. My mistake. When racing we just like to go fast and don’t really have a preference on Ford, Chevy, Dodge. It’s just whoever sponsors us and let’s us race on the weekends. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@MrWalkerds]

This is literally my favorite stuff to watch on youtube!

[@BREW2LFOXBODY]

Awesome job! I know my Foxbody guys are loving this! Maybe we should try a similar combo

[@stevenminix]

Yessir! Maybe spray the bags off it with a lil giggle gas as well! 👍🏻

[@pimpovic2]

Picking up some build knowledge along the way. Keep finding you all over YT, you sure you have a day job? Lol

[@HammerHeadGarage]

I wanna see what the most power that is streetable na on pump gas.

[@BruceLee-xn3nn]

@@stevenminix i had an old mustang mag where they sprayed one and made all the way up to 650hp.

[@347svtcobra]

I’m working on taking stage 2 a touch further

[@Chef-James]

Stage 1 and done . Stick it in my Crown Vic with a hipo manual trans. Dream.

[@TheRaulr151]

I’ll take the stage 1 version for sure! Thanks so much guys for this recipe in parts!!

[@peter455sd]

What can i say,i'm a mechanic and i'm not easily impressed but these guys managed to impress me with their knowledge and resources

[@chrismontreuil2206]

You mean availability of parts.

[@slopoke22]

What's up Pat?!!!!! This is Shaun from The School of Automotive Machinists back in 2007! You walked me through the School the first time I visited there! Awesome. 1.5x per cube is pretty dang good. I have pretty much the same combo but it's a Chevy rod, 302 piston, stock crank deal,357 Windsor. I ported some shit procomps , I spec'd a cam, solid roller 243, 257 @.050 .650 lift 110 +4. Put a thin gasket on it. It Dyno like 430 or so to tires through c4 on motor. But on the juice it fuckin gets it! Been a 1.21 60' and 12x mph in the 1/8th. It's about to go faster with a nitrous controller and electric wp and few other mods.

[@higoodbye3495]

Ya know he probably won’t see this right...

[@sn95_mustang_garage]

I installed a 347 Stroker from Probe Industries in my 1994 Mustang GT. It made 440HP on pump with 14 degrees. 347 Stroker, AFR 185's, Comp Custom Cam .542 / .562 Split Duration (94-95 ECU), Holley Systemax Intake with port match 700 for a 70MM Throttle Body, Pro-M 80MM MAF, 30 pound injectors, MAC 1-3/4" Ceramic Long Tube Headers with 3" Collector, MAC 3" Prochamber, MAC 3" Catback exhaust.

[@dalewier9735]

I drove Mustangs in the 70s, all 302. We were glad to have h/p exceeding cubic inches. Your numbers on the 1994 are amazing. Do you still drive this car and if so, what needed your attention to keep it running.

[@sn95_mustang_garage]

@@dalewier9735 I now have a 2020 GT with a Procharger making 800hp. If you click on my username you can see more if you’re interested. My 94 was is still my favorite out of the 6 Mustangs I’ve owned though just because how easy it was to work on.

[@tomjoad2882]

Would be really cool to see a comparison between the stroked 302, and a stock 351 bottom end with the same top end setup.

[@carlosvasquezjr92]

I think that would be insane lol Imagine the power

[@Bobthebuilder.69]

All things equal, the 351 will win everytime

[@Ricks408]

Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland 😂 Windsors nice but the Cleveland note is just the sweetest 😍😍 Great work PowerNation loving this content

[@BruceLee-xn3nn]

Father had an old souped up Cleveland that would rev like that.

[@witnesszer0]

+1 for indexing those spark plugs

[@mitchyork527]

I’ve watched this show for years and I love it thanks for putting it on KZbin

[@marklowe7431]

I can hear the webbing in that block cry from here. Making that kind of power with a stock block albeit wearing a girdle is amazing.

[@MrTimstaaa]

That's super impressive. That's a combination that shouldn't be forgotten

[@christiang3576]

Man it’s so nice to hear people talking very clearly lol, some people suck at explaining and getting their point across.

[@LoydChampion]

Thanks for doing this build. This is pretty much the same combination I did for a 347 I put into my Cobra Kit Car. I never dynode it, but my calculations said it should make about 535-550 HP. FYI - I went to a 650 carb and you could tell driving the car that the power picked up. So your dyno pulls more or less confirmed my numbers.

[@firebirdjone]

I would have liked to see the 2" super sucker carb spacer that was used on stage 2, used on the stage 1 setup. I've found those spacers to be worth as much as 24 hp alone on some builds we've done. Nice work fellas.

[@clintwittstruck2314]

i like to watch them because your learning something from them so when something breakes down or something then i can fix it on my own

[@bewareofmountainlions4429]

What a nasty setup. Cool to see.

[@philmount299]

Love this series, looking forward to episode 3

[@Tomsfoolery.]

Dude has half his tool box in his shirt front pocket!

[@BenitoFan760]

😂😂😂

[@ericfitzpatrick5319]

Lol, McGyver

[@hotrodray6802]

Somebody needs a small box.

[@leesmith1535]

Pat has probably forgot 95% MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW RICHARD

[@cromagnon305]

Nice tip on finding tdc without dwell

[@gustavomelendez5514]

Sounds beautiful when you crank the motor

[@THRASHED05]

Man I love this show I learn so much big thanks from Australia.

[@mlp-hot-rod5824]

Imagine this kit on a 4.125 big bore! That 363 would be a giant killer!

[@miker1681]

I am building a 363 canted valve solid roller motor should be in the 600 + hp range on pump gas at 7,000 + RPM but if you want more go higher compression on race gas

[@mitchellaldren9261]

Awesome vid .yeah stock blocks dont like 7000rpm all the time. i have just found that out.

[@johnnymula2305]

Im in the process of building a 347 Stroker from my 99 explorer roller block. Its been bored .030 over. Has a Trick Flow 11r twisted wedge top end kit. Eagle stroker crank with DSS pistons. Weiand dual plane intake and 750 Holley Dbl Pumper. Its going in my 86 Bronco. So obviously the power band is in the 1500-4500 rpm range. I’ll be setting up a 4* advanced to get more power down low.

[@alisaculley603]

Wow, not bad with a stock block! But I hear, if you line hone the cam journals and the mains in the block, keep a good tune, they hold up pretty good! I’m trying to mock Joe Sherman’s 347 with roller cam, he got 530hp with the AFR 185cc heads, guy did same build but used the AFR 205cc heads and got close to 600hp! Those little Fords can wind out the power!

[@paytenvanlangendonck3141]

For thoses who dislike this video please give a reason why is love to see just how educated and smart you are.

[@jakemyler8524]

I didn't dislike the video, but it's probably because they could or they dislike every video they watch or maybe they voted for Clinton.

[@johnbehneman1546]

Great build and great education!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!! I learned so much!!!!!

[@OlBlueshound]

Great Video thanks for posting it. Love the revvy little Windsor V8's tricked up!! 7000 is plenty for quick street for me. Older I get the more "real world" I'm becoming lol. But great video & knowledge you guys!

[@EyeLikeRice]

I love this show. Just shows how much $$ it takes to make power. You can grab an LS or MOD motor with any blower and make more for less.. great builds on this show

[@vernonyow7559]

Good job fellas 👍 thanks for the hard work and making the video.. very much appreciated

[@beckywatt5048]

Hot rod put out a formula years ago to get 400hp out of 302ci w/o alot of voodoo or special parts , I built three or four of them , they were a blast , didn't need hardly any special parts , just needed to take 2/3 weeks and learn how to Port cast iron heads of the right vintage to the max , then have them flow benched.

[@tomhamilton9140]

Would have loved to see the AFR intake manifold and a Parker Funnel Web intake tested with this combination.

[@terryfreer]

So I'm curious, if you were to follow this build part for part, except not building a stroker and keeping it a 302, how high would it rev? Less rotating mass should mean higher redline to a point right?

[@kevinshasteen5682]

You mentioned reaching the limits of a stock block but for the newbies w/more money than sence you need to be more specific; this rpm cant be maintained w/out severe breakage. BTW, you never mentioned the Static Comp. for this build but you were running pump gas w/octane boosters, so my observations n questions are, 1) a 290+ duration cam isnt a true stage2 cam; so stage is set for the stage 3 normally aspirated build 2) going strictly by the numbers there seems to be a few untapped CFM HP in those cylinder heads. So do you up the Static Comp. to squeeze out those remaining CFM HP #s or 3) If your are upping the Static Comp. do you opt for the AFR 225cc heads but by doing that your Stage 3 normally aspirated just slipped into dedicated race category and no longer falls into a true pump gas engine. Good stuff, thx for the vids

[@strictlybusiness1598]

At 11:01 they mentioned compression ratio

[@kevinshasteen5682]

@@strictlybusiness1598 thx

[@r3d995]

Nice build. not a chevy guy but i think smb get same hp numbers with les parts. You guys tray to build ford clevo👍

[@lewisdeclouette6342]

Man this is motivation love this show

[@conanthedestroyer7123]

4:52

[@ElJuicePerformance]

Awesome video can’t wait for stage 3

[@jakmak52]

Started blowing away the 289's, 302's, 351's when I bought and ran the '87 Buick Regal's GNX's all day long with their 3.8's with an upgraded Garret Turbo ;)

[@bigdaddycool4242]

Jack Makinson Awesome! I used to beat up on those Regals all the time with a small block Ford 🤘🏻

[@kimcokevin]

Loving the Ford stuff!!! I want one for my 🦊

[@jondoe6618]

These 347's will make a LOT more power! Ours is around 800 hp na on pump gas. And will spin WELL over 8000 rpms. Our shift light don't come on till 8600 and there is plenty after that. Get those heads professionally ported and better headers. Then you will be snapping blocks in half like we did. (5 in total) then got a aftermarket dart block.

[@jondoe6618]

CowsGo Moo lol. We picked up well over 100hp. Just got to know how to do it.

[@tommyhallum2747]

Awesome build guys. Very detailed

[@iqinsanity]

Why do people use forged cranks in stock blocks that are known to split? Cast cranks outlast the block

[@ronaldhiler7449]

Back before they had all this modern day technology, we would install a modified/massage at 351 Windsor heads on the 289 302. That was quite a few years ago before your aluminum heads were ever thought of.

[@faststang5897]

I have 347 Stroker made 330 hp to the wheels!! I need to build a real 347 like this one.. Thank you for the information

[@adamweaver1594]

Im happy to see you guys using eagle parts, because i want to buy an eagle rebuild kit for my 94 lt1 firebird.

[@PCMenten]

There was some talk about the wall thickness of 85-86 5.0 blocks allowing a bore of 4.125”. I would probably go to 4.100” and stroke that. I already have too many projects, though. Like a 393 roller cam Clevor stroker.

[@ericfitzpatrick5319]

Stock block, I'm impressed!

[@BBCharger5spd]

With a light weight piston and relatively short stroke it isn't as bad as a big inch stroker - but yes - it's pretty nice.

[@CrzyMav]

Love the small block Ford engines. There’s a reason Shelby used these style type small blocks on the early Cobras. And it all started with the little 260,289,302,351W. When Ford put the 302 roller engine on the early Fox bodies, it was a great engine but was just lacking horsepower. But when they figured it out it was a little BEAST.

[@edjackson4389]

I remember my first ride in a 1988 LX 5.0 Mustang 5-speed. First time I had been to 140 mph. Even at just 225hp it felt and sounded mean as hell!! Felt much faster than any Mopar or Chevy at the time. Most Camaros and Corvettes in the 80s were auto transmission cars which were joy killers back then. Even if you did stumble across a stick shift Chevy they were still lacking that beautiful exhaust sound 5.0s are known for.

[@warrenzevonsangryghost6055]

Don't think he made it clear, but with the low deck height of the block, you can't get the long roller lifters out of their bores without pulling the head (that's not an endorsement for flat tappets, but something to keep in mind). A real 351W block is probably high enough to allow you to get a roller out without head removal.

[@jdog3690]

You left a valve cover nut loose on the driver side center. You can see the washer bounce around in the stage 2 dyno pull

[@themountainraven]

Love the show guys, keep up the great work!!

[@oceanz4me]

Just a question. The weight gain in the solid lifters as opposed to the hydrolic lifters, does that get cancelled out by the additional load on the cam from the larger valve springs?

[@leoa4c]

I don't think so. Since the lifters reciprocate, at high rpms they are under a lot of G forces which dramatically multiple their "effective weight".

[@garygroves5893]

If you listen close the solid lifters weigh less not more than the hydraulic ones.

[@garygroves5893]

The larger valve springs help keep the valves stable with the higher duration and lift during high RPMs.

[@garygroves5893]

263 grams for the solids verses 272 grams for the hydraulics .

[@Motor-City-Mike]

Pretty common misconception - solid lifters aren't actually "solid", they're hollow and usually weigh less than hydraulic lifters.

[@Dunkaroos248]

Damn that’s a nice little motor

[@tomnekuda3818]

Great power on the little Ford. What car can accept that much height with the hi-rise manifold, spacer, and air cleaner? Almost nothing.

[@Bricklinsv1970]

This is my favorite car channel.

[@Bricklinsv1970]

@northlander I watch every one of his Videos too. I love his channel even though I'm not really a Mopar guy lol!

[@Bricklinsv1970]

@northlander He sure is. You guys are cool cats aswel. You have any vids on the Pontiac 455? That's my all time favorite engine along with the 327 ;)

[@thomaspartin191]

Any of these combos will live at those numbers for just a very brief time while constantly being babysitted in a controlled environment. Put this very exact engine in a mustang and go racing under race conditions, if it lives for a race season, then I'll be impressed.

[@CanIbeFrank]

That happens everyday...

[@thomaspartin191]

@@CanIbeFrank stock production block with all of these add on's for an entire season? Then they have a preacher, a rabbi and the pope praying over the engine after every pass so it don't break.

[@CanIbeFrank]

@@thomaspartin191 there's plenty of fast stock block sbf around. You'll find them on KZbin

[@thomaspartin191]

@@CanIbeFrank I agree completely, i love Ford's, however, this video is trying to say what Ford enthusiasts already know, stock production block can't take lots of abuse like this for very long before grenading.

[@CanIbeFrank]

@@thomaspartin191 they're good for NA applications. Boost is a different story. Boss block or dart or world at that point. A 351w is much stronger than the 302 as well. I'm building a 408w for my 95 Mustang with a 95 351w block out of an old F250. 9s on motor is the goal. Ps you'll like my channel if you're into cars.

[@v8felon]

Sweet power out of a small package sweet video hope you guys dont sale out like motortrend channels

[@justinballard7242]

At 16:30 did anybody notice the center lower valve cover hold down shaking. Its nut must not of been tight.

[@drewschumann1]

That's insane power out of a 302 block

[@oldschool9447]

Also, how about do more dyno runs with the motor in the car with all accessories in & running

[@joshuamcclain2061]

I know these guys know more than I do but I've always removed head bolts 1/4 degree at a time to minimize head distortion but who knows if that makes a difference when in matters but I've had zero problems with warped heads after removal besides engines with known overheating problems

[@richdouche8253]

Stage one was 527hp vs 566hp, as for a person to be buying these parts, you would have chosen the larger 1-3/4 headers right off the bat. Right? Also should have tested carbs and spacers for optimum performance on stage 1. Maybe it would make best numbers with an 850cfm carb, and/or the 2" spacer? Perhaps with the Super Victor intake??? We'll never know what max for stage 1 would have been.... So we could compare the two sets of parts where there is a price discrepancy. How much power for how much coin? Intakes are gonna cost the same.... Which should I get for my 347? I'm writing all this because I'm thinking that, the Jesel rocker setup, heavier springs, link bar lifters, etc ... while very nice pieces ... Might not be worth the 3-4 grand laid down for them, for the minimal amount gained? Nor having to spin the engine up another 1200 rpm to make that minimal gain. Plus, what would stage 1 have made bumping the compression up. That was FREE hp. Head gasket cost is negligible, and could be worth 20hp. People can run at 11.5 on pump gas all day, you just have to jet and time accordingly. Nobody wants a street car you have to fiddle around with octane. When they overlay the numbers it's clear the stage 1 setup makes more usable street power lower in the curve. For a street car I'll take stage 1.

[@ronniehaley729]

Tbis was back in the day when N/A was popular. Now you build that 347 with 9 to 1 like phase 1 and put a vortec or procharger on it and be done lol

[@joeyvoyles5548]

Jon kaase p38 heads cam intake and carb on stock 302 block and bottom end makes 500hp

[@bryantcurtis2665]

Check out that manicure. I’m going back to watching uncle Tony’s garage. I don’t have 50 grand for another motor

[@I_like_turtles_67]

@David F Decker Fast Cheap Reliable You can only pick two.

[@marcosbarraza4738]

I wonder what if you did a cam swap without replacing the gaskets so keeping the compress the same

[@danialphaomega]

Stage 2 8K RPM for my '94 GT vert sounds like the one for me no high tech nothing just ol school screaming V8

[@jamesarden2583]

Question How Come You Don’t Use Gear Drive ForTheCam

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Yay...a Ford ! I always thought it was better to not have 2 middle ports close together like Chevy. And distributor is in the right place

[@Wanous-hv7zo]

Buff Barnaby its still a junk ford with the distributor in the dumbest place possible

[@Breegr]

And it must really hurt knowing if you spent half this Budget on an LS it would eat this ford

[@stewartwilliams5652]

They're all awesome. LS, coyote, sbf, sbc, big blocks.. mopar. Just enjoy the episode. FFS

[@dragoonTT]

@@stewartwilliams5652 I couldn't imagine limiting myself to one manufacturer. Could you imagine how sour your life would have to be?

[@Breegr]

@@stewartwilliams5652 I agree but the $ per hp buy in for LS is about the cheapest it has ever been. Now old SBC Nos parts might be cheep too but I doubt it

[@Gino_567]

Man that thing sounds good!

[@willipic]

Get ready to see that block split right down the middle in the next episode.

[@vernonyow7559]

Did you not hear him say there going with a aftermarket block???

[@anonymousanonymous9991]

I don't see any reason why it would... The 302 is capable of quite a bit more power on the stock block. You don't need to go billet with the 302 until 950 hp or more.

[@traeheck3614]

@@anonymousanonymous9991 Stock 302 engines start to crack in the lifter valley around 600HP.

[@anonymousanonymous9991]

@@traeheck3614 In this 347 it might but anything between 302 and 331 won't crack until much higher. The 347 can be saved with different heads.

[@willipic]

@@anonymousanonymous9991 302, 306, 331s have split around 500-550 hp. 347 is bored .030, which is basically what you would take a 302 to make a 306, you just increase the stroke by .40 to a 3.40 stroke over the stock 3.00 but that is made up in the rods and crank. There are plenty of vids and forum posts where people have split stock 302 blocks at just a little over 500hp. That's why they are going to a aftermarket block for Stage 3

[@jasondeloach3045]

8000 rpms thats crazy 566 hp on stock block not bad

[@lilibethdoherty295]

That sure beats the stock 150 horsepower EFI 302 in my 87 thunderbird

[@lilibethdoherty295]

Back in the eighties I loved leaving the stop light with 5.0 fords of all types my chevy 350 4 speed would do 6000 rpm shifts and by third gear the fords would just give up, the cam and holley double pumper was the secret combo I just loved dumping the clutch and getting rubber in the first three gears those poly glass tires hooked like fly paper when burning hot!

[@anthonyangotti5484]

How often do you calibrate your Dyno🤔

[@BReal-10EC]

I'd love to have the stage one in a Mercury Capri bubble back.

[@gearhead682010]

Bryan Jones a 351 Windsor that’s a mild 450 horsepower motor is definitely fun in a 1979 Mercury Capri

[@RyanBenbow]

​@@gearhead682010 the frame won't Hold that kind of tork of the motor

[@BigBen1991]

@16:12 Valve cover hardware is loose. Nice build though you guys rock.

[@markwallace5274]

That’s one rowdy sounding power pumping SBF

[@ford351cleveland]

Hi America do you guys ever build 351 clevlands if not why Its always 302 or 390 never 351 Even though chevy got the 350 Thank guys

[@superkillr]

If you're in Australia, they got to use the Cleveland a ton more than we did in the US. They have options for 302 Clevelands we didn't get. They are big innovators in Cleveland performance. The 302 gets so much attention because of the 5.0 Mustang and it's impact on the pony car scene post 70's era.

[@ford351cleveland]

@@superkillr Hi man thank you so much for telling me enjoy the rest of your day

[@thedon3836]

The real reasons most builders here stay away from 351ci Cleveland engines is size and weight vs 351 windsors, Windsor have better cooling as they run coolent threw the intake manifold and Cleveland engines do not. There are way more aftermarket parts for Windsor based engines and on a hole you can make more horsepower out of a Windsor then you can a Cleveland plus the over all size diffrence makes the Windsor 351 much more versatile, it will fit in many more cars or trucks with much less modifications to the vehicle then trying to squeeze in a 351c or m block.

[@superkillr]

@@thedon3836 -- Don, the Cleveland has a 9.2 deck vs. a Windsor 9.5, so saying it's a size problem isn't the issue. Cleveland heads are the highest flowing mass produced small block heads ever from Ford, and the the highest flowing aftermarket heads. The Cleveland has smaller main bearings. The Cleveland got cut short in the US because of the 70's gas crunch. Don't confuse the 351M and 400 with actual 351C stuff. Many of Ford's decisions weren't about performance, but cost savings and giving the public the least amount necessary to do the job.

[@thedon3836]

Skip to 2:30. This is the size diffrence I was refering to. The 9.5 and 9.2 deck height means nothing it's the width differences that matter when trying to squeeze an engine between strutmounts in the engine bay expessioally with headers. This vid I linked gives you a direct side by side of the 2 engines so you can see exactly what I have stated. No bull 💩 or pecocking about it.

[@tripled6362]

I'm planning my Cobra project. Is either the Stage 1 or Stage 2 available as crate package from Summit yet? (I'm leaning towards Stage 1). Love this motor! It's very close to the original / authentic Cobra 427SC, but in a 302 block!

[@8754roberto]

I don't know anything about cars, i still like fixing small problems on my car 😊👍🏽

[@robertbruce4308]

Id love to see this same set up for stage 1 and 2 with fords big bore 363 stroker

[@DanDan-xu5qp]

The link for the engine block isn't good. What part number is it? I can't find it at Summit... Hmmm, I just checked the rotating assy link. It just takes you to Summit and has 415 matches! Which part number was the kit YOU used?

[@2loco]

Well done fellas.

[@28_babyshark]

Can you do a engine with fuel injection instead of a carburetor?

[@Gino_567]

I don't know why they keep putting Carburetors on these things. They're outdated.

[@ThePaulv12]

@@Gino_567 Because you buy throttle body type and it gives nothing but trouble. You ask for support and if they can't solve it because its QC is crap, then the company you bought it from initiate a blame loop - that's effing why! I got effed in the ay and went back to carb. The unit I bought is badly suseptible to EMI (due primarily to very poor design) and they end up blaming you the purchaser for their crap product. Essentially you are their beta tester and pay top $$$$ for the privelige. Of course now when you buy them they're all good and working properly - because people like me did their testing for them.

[@sergeantseven4240]

@@ThePaulv12 The 5.0 has a factory fuel injection system. There is absolutely no reason to go with a throttle body type aftermarket system on a 5.0.

[@erandy0240]

@@sergeantseven4240 carbs are simple, cheap and tunable. they make good power and have for years. if u struggle to make power with them they it's cause u don't know how to tune them

[@sergeantseven4240]

@@erandy0240 I never said anything bad about carbs. Although I will say that it has been proven that a well tuned fuel injection system will out perform any carb and it comes down to efficiency and tighter control. The 5.0 comes with a factory fi manifold so its not difficult to get one up and running without tuning. You can still do high flow heads and headers with a cam and not have to touch the mapping. But its also not hard to tune a fi mapping these days.

[@oceanhome2023]

How often do you now have to adjust the value clearance? How long before the solid lifters start performing at the same level as the old hydraulic lifters ?

[@followfocusmedia25]

Have you guys ever used a efi pro Flo system, are they any good. I have a 302 and want to get it rebuilt

[@thedobermangang3503]

just had my 350 5.7 rebuild from the crank on up..about 3 months ago..and its blowing blue smoke out the pipes i got about 2000 miles on it now and im using quart of oil about 250 miles i pulled the plugs out and #7 has lot of oil on ,that spark plug on the threads only..tell me what you think

[@pimpovic2]

you have issues with your rings or have broken a ring land. If you have blue smoke it's because of blow by.

[@PeggyParrow]

Do an actual 302, see how much you can squeeze out of it, im temped to try it !

[@richardbilton8373]

I would be totally happy with stage one with the bigger headers

[@LeonardCrassman]

Savage power that would be one fun car.

[@bobyoung1698]

OK. Can these types of HP/torque improvements be achieved with a different top end, i.e., an Extrude Honed Trickflow or Edelbrock intake and a high flowing injection system?

[@mart446]

17:35 please dont poke at the LCD screen with the gasket extractor. :)

[@numinous4789]

Great stuff, guys!

[@michaelalvarez3701]

Is it bad to do dyno pulls while you're missing a valve cover nut? 👀

[@SavageX1994]

Cost to build all new parts and 500 be good on pump gas 93 good tune?? All help is appreciated