Practice intonation using open string references

[@road2acoustic99]

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[@1stfiddlerman]

That is very kind of you. Thanks :)

[@SarumChoirmaster]

THE ABSOLUTE BEST VIDEO AND ADVICE I HAVE SEEN ON UTUBE!! I am a 62 year old concert level professional and principal violist / violinist. I wish ever teacher in the world would see your video and do this. I am creating a methods book for string player, students and teachers of all ages and levels based precisely on this method - and stating double stops on this level, must come first before regular old fashion scales. I do this and variation of this every day before scales and it has made ENORMOUS difference. There is only one methods book that suggests this and its over a hundred years old and almost no one knows of it.

[@1stfiddlerman]

That is such a nice thing to say to me. Thank you so much for your comment. Would love to see your method book when you are done. I started working on one a while back but seem to have trouble finding time to work on it. :(

[@georgebernardshaw6893]

Viola Bear Hi there, I saw your comment and wondered if I could ask a question? I can do double stops and hear it easily when it’s a fourth or fifth, But when we get into the thirds or sevenths- do you still recommend beginners start here? I just mean, without the physical aspect of the kinda ringing sensation on the fourths/fifths, it seems my positioning might be slightly off. Maybe I should check with a tuner, after I think I’m right? Any suggestions you might have, I’m so open to them! Also, to Fiddlerman: thank you so much for all your vids!

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[@1stfiddlerman]

I'm very happy that I am helpful. That is my intention. You should join our forum. fiddlerman.com/forum

[@SarumChoirmaster]

MY ADVICE FOR BETTER PLAYING, SOUND, INTONATION AND BOW CONTROL - Please, may I make 2 suggestions. Practice making a tone on a crystal goblet filled 1/3 to 1/2 full with water and extremely clean finger(s); especially the right hand fingers. If you do not know how, you wet the finger tip and rotate the finger around the top rim of the glass. This will teach you pressure and speed concepts which are critical in using the bow. Secondly, practice playing - extremely slowly - two open strings at the same time until they sound perfect and beautiful together. This you need to learn for several reasons, especially for tuning. Then, do the same thing with an open string below and the 3rd finger octave above; the first level of playing a double stop octave. When you can do all these things with great accuracy and beauty, then you are ready for the next level of double stops within a one octave scale. If playing the violin, start on the D and A strings. For the viola, the G and D strings.

[@1stfiddlerman]

Thanks for your advice.

[@1stfiddlerman]

It might be ok to begin with. To learn where to put your fingers. I'm just afraid that you could get used to it. If you do the appliques just don't leave them on too long imo.

[@Dldmny]

An improved logical approach for developing/fixing intonation issues!

[@1stfiddlerman]

Thanks. Great for learning to recognize clean intervals as well.

[@o0setsuna0o]

nice, i really didn't really know how to practice intonation, so thanks :)

[@LatchezarDimitrov]

And one more thing... If you check the note G on D string with open G string, then if you check the note B on A string with E string-try now to play the major third G/B and tell me what do you think about... ;-)

[@1stfiddlerman]

It's not an issue for me. Make sure that you check the intonation very well before trying that. Try an E minor chord using all four notes G, G, B, E. Figure out which note is bothering you and it might actually be one of your open strings.

[@LatchezarDimitrov]

"It's not an issue for me"-really? It's very easy to say that, but ...it's impossible! See why- if your A4 is 440hz then your D is 440/1.5=293.33Hz and your G3=195.55Hz .Now your G4 on D string will be 391.11Hz. Your E string is 660Hz and 4th down-495Hz. The resulting third is 495/391.11=1.265 or too big. Everybody know that a minor third have koeficient 1.2 not 1.265. This prouve that you can't use your open strings to check the intonation like you explane in your video, imo... And how about my second followng question?

[@1stfiddlerman]

I know exactly what you are saying, but there is a relative, perfect and tempered intonation. Tempered intonation is not going to be perfect. It's the exact same problem on a keyboard. The open strings idea is for adjusting intonation relatively and perhaps not suitable for you. However, it's a great guide for those who do not hear intonation as well as you do. As for your second comment, I thought it went hand in hand with the first. I would as I mentioned earlier play a E minor chord and find the closest common relationship as my preferred interval.

[@LatchezarDimitrov]

Fiddlerman well, ok only one comment...you say that remain a problem for the keyboards? Do you tell me that one concert piano can' t be tunned convenably and it will sounds out of tune after being tuned by the best piano tunner?! I can't agree,sorry! If you are curious I can send you a link to listen a piano where all sounds in tune...

[@1stfiddlerman]

This is actually a fact. Sorry but it is true. Tempered intonation is not perfect. The fifths are slightly narrower than just intonation. I don't feel like arguing with you about this. I studied music in great schools and played as a professional violinists for 30 years. I was a concert master in Gavleborg Symfoniorkester for 4 years and a section leader in Malmo Symfoniorkester for 16 years. You can look this stuff up if you don't believe me but at this point I feel as though you are just challenging me.

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Good tips 👍

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I'm glad you like it. Thanks for watching!

[@p756]

I was wondering what you think about using "Don't Frets" ?

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[@1stfiddlerman]

You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@mrmensje1]

a question btw, whenever I play something it feels 'right' but when I listen to a recording of it everything is wrong. Do you maybe know how or why this works this way? personally I think I just need to work on my ear like everyone at my level :p

[@aasserelzoghby6781]

Thanks i got way better from this I tune every note with an open string and make sure it doesn't sound dissonant Thanks

[@1stfiddlerman]

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