Praying to the Tzadikim (Saints)

I often get asked "Can we pray to the Saints?". "Isn’t it idolatry to pray to Saints?". "What about necromancy?".... Well, let’s talk about that!
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[@the-metaphorian]

Absolutely sharing this. So many of my Evangelical friends don't understand the role of intercessors (alive here and alive in heaven) in the Mystical Body. Excellent as usual. Blessings!

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Thank you so much. All glory to the Most High. We are the Body of Messiah! :)

[@ottom.3094]

Where in scripture does it say saints dead in the flesh can hear your prayers; and the prayers of millions of others at the same time? If it doesn’t say that in scripture - then why attach God like ability to sinners like everyone else? One thing is if God gives them that ability; but once again where does it say that occurred?

[@the-metaphorian]

@@ottom.3094 Catholics and Orthodox - basically all Christians prior to the Reformation had belief in the intercession of the saints. This belief comes from the Jewish roots of appealing to their matriarch, Rachel, who suffered much with emunah for the fulfillment of the Lord's plans over her life. Even at her tomb, the Jewish people would pray for her intercession. This was common practice amongst the Orthodox Jews from the time of the patriarchs until today. The entire premise of Sola Scriptura is false because the Living Word of God exists not only in Script but also in the Mystical Body and in the Chosen People of God who transmitted it from generation unto generation both orally and in writing. Over time, even the oral tradition came down into writing. And so, you can freely read the oral tradition online to extend your inquiry into the real religion of the Hebrew Christian disciples of Jesus. Yes, pious devotion to the matriarchs and patriarchs is part of the religion of the first Hebrew Christians. We cannot gainsay the first Christians because they were the authentic followers of Christ from day one.

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

@@ottom.3094 Read Revelation, the patriarchs of the 12 tribes and the 12 Apostles are in Heaven "24 Elders". Also in Revelation the prayers of the saints are being offered up to the throne. Catholics believe Jesus conquered death, our bodies wither after death but our soul is eternal.Also you can't limit God to a book, not everything Jesus did is written down and He never put pen to paper, He didn't leave a book behind, He left a Church and only one Church has documented unbroken historical evidence linking it directly back to Matt16 where He established His Church.

[@lorenzomp4620]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malankara_Orthodox_Syrian_Church en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrean_Orthodox_Tewahedo_Church en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Orthodox_Tewahedo_Church en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Apostolic_Church en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Orthodox_Church en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Orthodox_Church

[@gatogati2281]

Young jewish catholic on fire. God bless this channel...

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

Thank you Daniel. The Rich Man in Luke 16 asks Father Abraham and Lazarus to intercede for him and his family. The reason we pray to the saints is that they are still members of the Body of Christ, they are alive in Christ. Remember, the life which Christ gives is eternal life; therefore, every Christian who has died in Christ is forever a member of the Body of Christ. This is the doctrine which we call the Communion of the Saints. Everyone in Christ, whether living or dead, belongs to the Body of Christ.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

AMEN! Well said. :)

[@geordiewishart1683]

The story of the rich man was a parable. All who die await the resurrection. No one is able to hear your prayers

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

@@geordiewishart1683 Read Revelations, the patriarchs of the 12 Apostles are there "24 Elders". Also in Revelations the prayers of the saints are being offered up to the throne. How did Elijah and Moses appear to Jesus and the Apostles after His resurrection, they had been dead for centuries. Catholics believe Jesus conquered death, our bodies wither after death but our soul is eternal.

[@geordiewishart1683]

The transfiguration on the mount was a VISION! Jesus himself called it a vision!!! It could have been a glimpse into the millennial reign but what we do know is that neither Moses nor Elijah appeared with Jesus AT THAT TIME! Much of Revelation is written in symbolism! It is you who needs to read the Bible!

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

@@geordiewishart1683 Nonsense.

[@raulgonzales4333]

Thank you for this video. It shows us how Jewish the Catholic religion really is.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Amen! Shalom

[@geordiewishart1683]

Yes. I have always said there are similarities. the original faith of the Israelites was Hebrewism. Judiasm includes many man made traditions. Like Catholicism and proper Christianity

[@99UniversalUnit]

@@geordiewishart1683 rapture is man made

[@cro8sandy]

​@@geordiewishart1683Hebrew ism???

[@cro8sandy]

Praying to pork eating "saints" is jewish Yeah, sure

[@nathankarp5350]

Once again exceeded expectations. Did think the connection to Torah and Jewish tradition could be made and than wham there it is. Very cool stuff. Time to start building bridges make connections heal the misunderstandings and grow the body bigger and stronger!

[@TheJewishCatholic]

I’m so happy to hear that! Many blessings to you! I will….. intercede for you. Haha. Shalom my brother!

[@dylanjohnson727]

Yo this video was super helpful! I’ve been doing an in depth study on saint intercession and this has been a great resource. Thank you!

[@KH-vp4ni]

I love you so much. I feel like I really needed to know about the connection of Jewish roots leading to Catholic roots and you explain it all so well! Peace be with you.

[@jesusistheonlyway1035]

I want to thank you so much for these videos. May our Lord Jesus and the holy saints bless you🙏

[@bluejasmin8424]

This meant so much to me. I enjoy the connections you make between the Jewish and Catholic faiths. In my studies and search for truth I too have made similar connections. If Peter the founder of the church was Jewish then naturally the traditions of the Catholic church are going to be rooted in Judaism. We need more teachers like you!

[@TyroneBeiron]

It is well known too that in Purim, Rachel is invoked for her intercession for the children of Israel as her own. Someone asked how do the tazddikim know their prayers or intercession is needed. The answer is found in Exodus 32:7, when Moshe was communing in the presence of the LORD, then he is informed by God of the sinful actions of his people in his absence, and God himself sets Moshe out to act, and to mediate for the people. In the same way, the saints' prayers before God is an action of God's Will. Moshe by himself did know know of the people's condition; through the Will of God he is aware of it. Same for the holy ones in heaven before the Mercy Seat. We can only pray and ask that God's Will be done. So those who are alive now and those who have passed, are all 'alive' before the God of the Living.

[@deusimperator]

One has to only look at the tomb of Shimon HaTzaddik. Take a look at the picture of it. If anyone here has attended the Latin liturgy everything you see in the picture will make sense. That tomb IS the altar on which the service is held. One can just google, Tzaddik Tours. These are guild pilgrimages to visit the tombs and ask for their intercession and graces of the Tzaddikim. The prayers of one tzaddik is worth the prayers of 1000 persons. It is believed that the tzaddik takes the prayers of the Jewish people and rightly order these prayers and makes them pleasing to Hashem. Read Sotah 34b about the spies who prayed before the tombs before going on the mission. From Chabad (Ultra Orthodox) _All Jews can be considered as one body. If the toe is hurting, it needs the head and the heart to help it. So too, if I am in need, I can call upon all other Jews-and especially those who are the head and the heart of our people-to pray for me as well. Because if one Jew is hurting, we are all hurting._ _You are simply expressing your faith that the righteous never really die, truth is never truly lost and even the grave cannot prevent you from connecting to this great teacher and righteous soul. Just as this tzaddik cared and took care of others during his lifetime-not as "others" but as he cared for his own soul-so too now, nothing has changed and he still can feel your pain and pray with you._ _The Zohar states this as well, when it tells us that the tzaddik is here with us after his passing even more than before. During his lifetime, the tzaddik was limited within a physical body. Now he has transcended those limitations. But he never transcends his sympathy for the plight of another soul-no matter where that soul may be found. Just as during his lifetime, he ignored the boundaries of "I and you," so now he can ignore the boundaries of life and afterlife._

[@rafaelkohan6445]

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[@deusimperator]

@@rafaelkohan6445 Hey my borhter from the same fahter Abraham :) we are all Catholic Jews here!!! Or own group!!!

[@rafaelkohan6445]

@@deusimperator :) thanks for sending me to this channel

[@rafaelkohan6445]

Our own Jewish Catholic channel.... Doubly blessed being Catholic and Jewish ...

[@deusimperator]

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[@kasiaseubert]

I appreciate your videos and your unemotional replies to comments criticizing you!

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Glory to God. The truth is alway true so I don’t get triggered by those who oppose it. I just feel bad for those who think that they are so right that they have to be rude to prove their points.

[@jmmanuto]

Excellent Presentation! God Bless You my Friend.

[@deusimperator]

Don't forget that many of the Breslov travel on pilgrimage every year on RH to the tomb of Rabbi Nachman to pray to him. More than 10,000 Breslov Hassidim travel on RH every year to his tomb in the Ukraine. Remember who Nachman is, he is a direct descendant of Shem Tov who compiled the Gospel of Matthew in Hebrew.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Thant’s right! It’s common practice

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

Yes now I remember his name on the news. During the past year the religious jews who wanted to make pilgrimage to his tomb were very upset because there were restrictions imposed for Covid.

[@TruthCeeker333]

I too was curious about the origins of this. I came across the fact that the Jews used to cry out to the prophet Elijah in times of distress. He also is part of the Pesach as they set a place at the table for his return as the forerunner of the Messiah. Blessings on your faith journey. I was converted to the Catholic faith in 1996 as my wife was raised Catholic. I am not active any longer but more involved with Messianics. I do go to Mass with her sometimes. Blessings.

[@deusimperator]

Come back because the Catholic Faith is our natural faith. Messianics are Karaites. Everything we have in our Catholic tradition is from the Torah Shebaal Peh. Catholicism is not alien to us, every Catholic at one time was a Jew.

[@deusimperator]

Remember everything is about the covenant. You must belong to the covenant to be saved. Here is Clement of Alexandria who managed the church in Jerusalem (198 AD) _“Therefore in substance and idea, in origin, in pre-eminence, we say that the ancient and Catholic Church is alone, collecting as it does into the unity of the one faith- which results from the peculiar Testaments, or rather the one Testament in different times by the will of the one God, through one Lord - those already ordained, whom God predestinated, knowing before the foundation of the world that they would be righteous.”_ G-d has known us Jews/Catholics before creation and has predestined us for salvation. It is up to us to accept this gift of salvation. He gathers all those who he intends to make saints into His Catholic Church. Judaism and Catholicism is one Faith that has existed in two covenants. You belong in the Catholic Church, it was made for you. If you ever attend the Latin mass, everything will make sense. It is a little harder to see it in the New Order of the mass as it the simplified mass. Catholicism is not a Gentile religion like the Messianics or Protestantism, it is OUR Faith. Catholicism shares much with Judaism due to the shared tradition. Much of what Protestants disagree with, Jews and Catholics agree on. Purgatory as a place where souls are cleansed made holy, praying for the dead, 30 days of prayers for the dead, the communion of the saints, praying to the saints, saints as a source of graces, pilgrimage to the tombs of the saints, keeping of relics and these being conduits of Divine energies and grace, the treasury of merit, indulgences, jubilees, guardian angels, the requirement for a magisterium, praying the same prayers as the liturgy of the hours, deification, the requirement of holiness, mortification of the self, the need habituation of charity and prayer, rules followed for baptism, work as a form of prayer, the tabernacle holding the word of G-d, liturgical octaves and liturgical worship, and much more are held in common solely due to a shared tradition. These shared beliefs, customs, and practices are most evident among the ultra-orthodox Jews as they have held to the traditions more closely than other streams within Rabbinic Judaism. These are some of the beliefs, customs, and practices that originated first in Judaism and were carried over subsequently into Catholicism by the Jewish apostles.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

I second the request of @Deusimoeritor, the Catholic Church is the true fulfillment of Temple Judaism. Come home :) As for the call to Eliyahu, that’s true. I never thought of it but at every Havdalah we speak to Eliyahu.

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

​@@deusimperator Catholicism is the reinstatement of Solomons Temple Judaism which is the original Judaism. It is different to Second Temple Judaism and Rabbinic Judaism which came later. What pro-mosiac King Josiah purged in 640BC-609BC from his kingdom and from the temple in Jerusalem was not a forbidden Canaanite cult; he purged the religion of the patriarchs as described in Genesis. The Catholic Church reinstated the sacred items below which King Josiah had purged from Solomons Temple: * the altar, *the anointing oil, *the real menorah, *the incense *the Bread of the Presence (showbread) *all references to the role of the Queen in the temple (in Hebrew tradition the Queen is the Mother of the King) Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had worshipped where the LORD appeared to them: Abraham saw the LORD by the oak of Moreh and set up an altar there (Genesis 12.6-7); Jacob had a dream vision of the LORD at Bethel and set up a sacred pillar there (Genesis 28.10-18) and other examples. The religion of the patriarchs was the religion practised in Judah up until the time of King Josiah. Abraham had met Melchizedek the priest-king of Jerusalem who offered him bread and wine (Genesis 14.17-20), and we know that the Davidic kings in Jerusalem had been Melchizedek priests (Psalm 110.4). In other words, the Melchizedek priest-kings serving in Jerusalem were the kings whom later historians condemned for failing to observe the law of Moses. This, then, was the contrast: the older ways of Melchizedek and Abraham which were those of Solomon’s temple, purged by Josiah; and the newer ways of Moses and his brother Aaron the high-priest, which were the ways of the second temple. This is why Catholic priests belong to the order of Melchizedek and the two attitudes towards the temple in the New Testament. Jesus condemned the Second Temple, He knew and He prophesied that it would be destroyed; and the first Christians saw themselves as restoring the original temple of Solomon. Christian rituals were based on first-temple rituals, Christian teaching developed from first-temple teaching, and when they were eventually able to erect their own buildings, Christian places of worship resembled the temple.They described Jesus as their Great High Priest (Hebrews 4.14), but not as the Aaron high priest from Second Temple practice. Jesus was Melchizedek restored (Hebrews 7.11-25) from First Temple practice.

[@deusimperator]

@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker All those were there in the Second temple but there was no queen, The priest-kings were there until 200 BC. _Jesus condemned the Second Temple_ Absolutely not. He never did. He went to the temple on the holy days. One has to remember that G-d delivers His revelation and lets the people develop in an organic manner. The high point of Judaism was between 516 BC and 200 BC when Judah was the most righteous. This is the period of the seven miracles and when the prophets like Ezra ruled as the priest-kings. Almost all the Catholic traditions come from the early second temple period. The Aaronic priesthood existed during the first temple period. It was instituted due to the idolatry of the 3,000 on Shavuot. The Melkisadekan offering was made in both the first and second temple periods by the Kehen Gadol. You must not forget, the pope IS a priest-king. The pope is a bishop and also the absolute ruler of the Holy See, an independent country. Remember there was no temple during the reign of Saul and David. In fact, the Church was founded according to the Halakhic Law. The requirement of 120 for the building of a synagogue. The 120 members in the first church were the Anshei Knesset HaGedolah who existed from 516 BC to 200 BC. In the Olam Haba, this body of 120 was supposed to be reinstituted. But this body never existed during the First Temple. Remember these are the ones who elect Matthias as an apostle.

[@Loreman72]

This just blew my mind! Thanks so much for this.

[@lorenzomp4620]

From that veneration to the tzadikim arose the veneration that the first Christians gave to the saints and Martyrs

[@TylerToic]

this guy Danny really all about those facts huh ♥️♥️🔥🔥

[@ThreeUsee1]

That one time, She asked her Son to help the party out. He said, “Woman, it is not my time!” She gave him a look. He Obliged. God Has so much depth.

[@whoamI-xi3ln]

Can you maybe explain your reference to Numbers 13:22? I'm not well versed with Jewish tradition, but I looked up the verse and it didn't have any connotation to the Saints as far as I can tell.

[@BiffsCoffee27272]

It's in the Talmud, which is referencing Numbers 13:22. Lol I had to rwwatch what he said after I looked the verse in numbers

[@gabrielmedina2480]

Great video! I was wondering what the Jewish roots of intercession are, and this was a great introduction to them!

[@Dustin_Quick_Holy_Smokes]

Great job brother!

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Glory to God, akhi (my brother)!

[@C...123]

I'm confused though, you didn't present a record of Yeshua conducting this practice. You referred to a rabbi who seemed to have just been caught up in the Rabbinic traditions of men. None of the examples were explicitly endorsing this practice, but your response appears based off of mere interpretation. I used to really love your channel and would become frustrated just because I wanted more of your content. You formerly presented a clarity that was brought about by the inclusion of Judaism in the totality of Yeshua and our walk with Him. It was a beautiful thing. I feel like you've now thrown in a wrench of confusion and have been deviating further and further from that and diving right back into a different realm of man made traditions. Please come back to the simplicity of your roots and the early faith brought about by time Yeshua spent on this earth. All of this other stuff you've been talking about lately was a product of man and the organization of Catholicism. Just miss you man.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

I’m sorry the content is seems confusing to you. However, I’m here to share my journey. As I learn, I share. I have found that Catholicism is the fulfillment of Temple Judaism. It is the continuation God had planed for His people. I know that perhaps you don’t see that, but after much prayer, research, study and fasting, this is where I am now. I follow where the Almighty leads me. I won’t change for any person.

[@deusimperator]

To walk with Christ is to enter into the covenant. The Torah Shebaal Peh is not a man made tradition, but is the authentic teaching of G-d to Moses on Mt. Sinai. It is the Torah Shebaal Peh which gives meaning and context to the written scripture. _There is a group of people called the Karaites who insisted that there is no such thing as the Oral Law. But, since the text did not tell them clearly what they had to do, they simply ended up inventing their own oral law. They chose man’s interpretations over G-d’s. A poor choice indeed._ _Karaites reject the Oral tradition of Judaism and the Authority of the Sages. In principle they claim that anyone and everyone is free to interpret Scripture however they like: One opinion is as valid and good as another._ Protestantism like Karaitism, rejects the Oral Tradition. The protestant Sola Scriptura is an explicit rejection of Tradition. Catholics call Torah Shebaal Peh Sacred Tradition and the Authority of the sages the Magisterium (the latin word magister meaning sage, teacher or rabbi). This is the early faith taught by the Apostles of Christ. Messanic movement came into existence largely due to the Evanglicals in the 1960s. The ancient Catholic Faith is a continuation of Second Temple Judaism, it is 140 years older than Rabbinic Judaism (founded by Judah haNasi). Christ condemned specific laws which were Gezeriah ... a gezeriah on the koban and the washing of hands.

[@Daniel-tj5ep]

Finally someone said it

[@deusimperator]

_I'm confused though, you didn't present a record of Yeshua conducting this practice._ You realize Christ is G-d incarnate, correct? Why would Christ ask a tzaddik to pray for Him, He happens to be G-d incarnate. If Christ had a tzaddik pray for Him, He would not have been G-d. Your criticism in this regard is absurd. Christ never asked anyone to pray for Him either. When He was in the garden of Gethsemene He never asks them to pray for Him, rather He asks that they watch for an hour and pray that they did not fall into temptation. But do you not ask each other to pray for you? Just because Christ does not do something does not mean we are not supposed to do it. You have to realize that G-d leaves much to men to sort out for themselves. G-d does not micromanage. He gave men a mind so that they could figure it out. G-d does not specify as to what prayers and rubrics are to be followed in the temple. There is much that is absent in the Bible which the only tradition can unfold. Did it take 40 days for G-d to teach Moses the Torah Shebichtav? He could have done that in three days. The Bible is merely a very high-level executive summary. But it is the Torah Shebaal Peh that is the basis of belief, custom, and practice. Both are necessary and so is a recognized authority to teach authoritatively.

[@juangonzalez799]

I used to love your channel but like lots of others I'm confused now... your going way out there now. Hope you come back

[@kenevans7367]

Daniel is there rosary in the herbrew. I love you, talk, and your view ❤️ I'm jewish and Catholicism, and looking at the speak different, I try to learn herbrew and pray .in it, I know God is great with all language, and he knows that I'm praying for very 1 hour each, and some day I lost time .I feel the Holy Spirit the come out in different word.

[@KHOiloveromeo]

As someone who is Jewish but of Catholic faith, do you think it is still okay to practice and participate in Jewish holidays?

[@MS-kf7so]

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[@mimi_j]

This is perfect. My concern is arguing about 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 where it says the dead in Christ are sleeping and the Lord will come down and the dead (sleeping) in the Lord will rise first then those who remain will gather... How would we counter that?

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Great question. Let’s dive into it! “But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.” ‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:13-14‬ ‭ESV‬‬ “…those who have fallen asleep” refers to this who have died in Messiah. Shaul tells us to not grieve for them as we would for those with no hope (not part of the Body of Messiah). Why? Because “we believe that Yeshua died and rose again”, this means that, through that same power of Life, we know that “God WILL BRING WITH HIM those who have fallen asleep”. This is the second resurrection aka the resurrection of the body. But where is God “bringing” those who had fallen asleep from? Heaven. This is the “great cloud of witnesses” we learn about in Hebrews 12:1.

[@deusimperator]

One has to remember the use of figurative language. ST. Paul's letters were misused by heretics then and now. This has always been the case. This is why St. Peter cautions those who read the writings of St. Paul. Hypnopsychism was condemned as heresy by Eustratius of Constantinople. In 1513, the Fifth Lateran Council (session 8) condemned hypnopsychism as heresy. Hypnopsychism came into vogue in the very early 1500s in Italian and Spanish universities as radical Aristotlean Averroists spread this heresy. During the Reformation, Luther used this passage in the Bible to preach hypnopsychism/psychopannychism as a means of getting around purgatory. Due to the perfection of integration of Catholic theology and philosophy, pulling a thread somewhere ends cause a whole bunch of problems elsewhere. The Catholic Faith is a beautifully integrated whole. The Catholic Faith is not some set of discrete ideas or concepts, but One Faith out of which these doctine, dogma, belief, custom and practice flow. This is the idea of "Isarusa Milela" in Judaism which existed when Judah was most righteous. Catholicism is a patriarchal monarchy, Judah when it was most righteous was when it was a patriarch monarchy. The politiy of heaven is a patriarchal monarchy. G-d tells us who He is, that is why only Judaism and Catholicism describe G-d in EXACTLY the same way metaphysically - because G-d has revealed Himself only to Jewish and Catholics in time. Judaism and Catholciism are philosophically classical theistic religions. And if we accept this metaphysics of Catholicism and Judaism, you will understand why many rabbis have taught that world was created for the tzaddikim. (Catholicism and Judaism has exactly the same metaphysics known as moderate, for created beings and extreme realism for things pertaining to the Divine) This is echoed by St. Clement of Alexandria. G-d knew us (our essence) before He created the world and predestined us for salvation by making us Jews/Catholics so that he could gathers is into into Church of His Covenants - which is in reality all One covenant. Everything in this world is accidental to this foreknowledge. Those who G-d will save "outside" the Church will be saved because the righteous prayed them into heaven. This same idea exists in Judaism and the prayers of the Jewish people (praying of the siddur) is what sustains the world and brings genitles to rightousness. This is what Zohar III 71a alludes to. Protestantism is the opposite, it attempts to integrate discrete beliefs which originate in the various protestant movements which then get thrown together and these are the impetus for the formation of each of the Protestant denominations, sects and cults. Protestantism is a democracy, they decide who G-d is. This is a horrible idea.

[@072929151]

Excellent insight, thank you!

[@marv6013]

The prayer of the righteous. We are righteous through faith in Jesus Christ. Period

[@xUncleA123x]

Also to add to another Biblical argument, prayer is sacrifice/worship and therefore should only be done to God. Exodus 22:20 says that anyone who does a sacrifice to anyone but God deserves destruction. And Hosea 14:2 says "Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto Him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips." Rendering the calves is the language of sacrifice and therefore Hosea is saying that prayer is sacrificial and therefore worship. To pray to any but God is to do spiritual sacrifices to them and that is then idolatry.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Great point. The issue with the argument is actually the premise. Prayer does not equate to worship and sacrifice. Tefilah (Hebrew-prayer) is a general category of communication. While some Tefilot can be a form of worship and sacrifice, they can also be means of simply requesting something, relaying information, inquiring information, and intersession. So while we can not offer sacrifice or worship anyone but God, we can certainly ask for intersession and intercede for others.

[@Ryan_Zell]

If I ask you to pray for me, or even a dead Saint, who is alive in heaven, that is not PRAYING TO the person. There is a sifference between veneration and worship. The technical terms that are used seem appropriate for this explanation. The chief ones are 👉dulia, hyperdulia, and latria.👈 Dulia is a Greek term meaning the veneration or homage, different in nature and degree from that given to God, that is paid to the saints. It includes, for example, honoring the saints and seeking their intercession with God. Related to dulia is Hyperdulia, the special veneration accorded the Blessed Virgin Mary because of her unique role in the mystery of Redemption, her exceptional gifts of grace from God, and her pre eminence among the saints. Hyperdulia is not adoration; only God is adored. Such adoration reserved exclusively for God is termed latria, a Greek-rooted Latin term that refers to that form of praise and worship due to God alone. I hope this assists you. Here is a video which explains what Latria, Dulia and Hyperdulia is: Do Catholics Worship Mary? ~ kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4LRc4KnqMenibc I can ask anyone who is a Christian to intercede for me with their prayers. Those in heaven, awaiting the resurrection, are in the Beatific Vision and are more alive then we are.

[@brianfarley926]

Great video. Came across you recently on Intellectual Catholicism

[@sanpedroromancatholicchurc1453]

Good Job. Keep up the good work.

[@markus3376]

3:03 I didn't actually found this Idea in Sefer Hammiddot, that lay people should ask the tsaddik to interced for them after his death. I found that in some letters of his diciples. If you could give particular references to Sefer Hammidot, that would be great.

[@ScenariosOfDrea]

This is so interesting, I was curious what is your background I can't tell if your Israeli or not just curious

[@mariaveronica4928]

How about Holy Spirit? Holy spirit is "our" ultimate intercession? Christian protestant always said that. Wouldnt Holy Spirit is enough?

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Good question. That argument, and others like it seem to be missing an important piece of reality. That is the fact that Christians are the Body of Christ, animated by the Spirit of God. This means that when we and those already united to Christ in the beatific vision, intercede for one another, we are able to do so because it is the very Spirit of God that allows and enables us to do so.

[@mariaveronica4928]

@@TheJewishCatholic oh wow I understand now very clearly! Thank you

[@davidvazquez459]

Shalom brother, Food for thought, just asking only. What about these verse...Those who are asleep are mentioned as dead in Christ 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 1 Thess 4:14 Christ will bring those who sleep with him. 1 Thess 4:16-18. The dead in Christ will rise first. How are they alive if they are dead or as sleeping, how can they hear you???? Thank you bro...Blessings 1 Corinthians 15 whole chapter talks about the dead in Christ, about being raised alive in the future.

[@deusimperator]

This question was posed in another comment on this video by Mimi J. You can read the responses there.

[@xUncleA123x]

I searched and searched in Sefer HaMiddot and the only things that mentioned the kivrei tzaddikim were Tzaddik Aleph: Kuf-Ayin-Gimel and Bet: Yud-Tet and neither of them say what you said. In fact I Rebbe Nachman says in Likutei Moharan 27:2 that we should pray to God alone. And even though Sotah 34b mentions Kalev speaking to the Avot all of the books of halakhah still forbid speaking to the dead. Why the discrepancy? Because one off hand statement from the Talmud doesn't determine what the halakhah is. From what I have found, only 3 commentaries on the books of halakhah (from the 18th and 19th century) allow asking dead tzaddikim to pray for you (from Moshe Schick, Avraham David Wahrman, and Yosef ben Meir Teomim). While there are both books of halakhah and commentaries on books of halakhah from hundreds of years earlier and from the same time (from Torah giants mind you) that forbid it (Chofetz Chaim & Chayei Adam and the Maharal of Prague & the Maharil). And again, many other much older Torah giants like Rebbe Nachman also mention praying to God alone. So just because 3 relatively unknown commentators and Chabad allow the practice doesn't make it halakhicly ok.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Read through the Aleph-Bet book. Davening at kivrei Tzadikim is not new. This is still practiced today by many Jews. If it was Halakhicly forbidden, then it wouldn’t exist at all. I even mentioned in this video that not everyone agrees with this view… welcome to Judaism. Not everyone agrees. My point with those sources is that it’s not a foreign idea. All the other sources ALONG WITH what I mentioned are plenty of evidence for the validity of asking for the intersession of Tzadikim. Of course, you are more than welcome to disagree. I’m not trying to convince you. Just presenting a couple of points. So do with it what you will.

[@marielena757]

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[@danielaly5194]

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[@TheJewishCatholic]

On Instagram. Same name as this channel :)

[@danielaly5194]

@@TheJewishCatholic thenk you

[@markus3376]

The reference to Sota is wrong. It's Sota 34b(7), not 37b.

[@name_unknown444]

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[@markus3376]

Thank you for references on jewish sources

[@whoamI-xi3ln]

My take (despite the fact that no one asked): While I am no fan of the 'sola scriptura' idea as such, I do find it reasonable to fact-check practices with the Scriptures, no matter how common or old they are. Yes, religious people did this and that and have been doing it for a long time. Yes, you can totally make a case for 'Praying to the Tzadikim' being a Jewish tradition. But that doesn't automatically make it a legitimate practice. I think the NT scriptures clearly show that not everything that is being passed down by religious leaders is also correct. So while it is good to have in mind that this attitude towards the saints is not new, just for the sake of truth, it does not get a stamp of approval simply because it is an old tradition. And before you misunderstand me, I am not in a position right now where I would say that it is necessarily wrong, or it is absolutely right. But the arguments you give are not in any way helpful for me, and I think we should be careful with what we 'look up to'. Not trying to be disrespectful, just sharing thoughts :)

[@Plastikk2000]

So what tells you it's forbidden? What are the "prayers of the Saints" in Apocalypse if not their intercessionary prayers for us, since that was the commonly understood concept about that?

[@whoamI-xi3ln]

@@Plastikk2000 Well, I don't feel like I need to repeat all of the scriptural arguments against being in contact with those who have died, but about the verse in Revelation, when you read it in context, I think it means exactly what it says: "7And He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him sitting on the throne. 8And when He took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the set-apart ones." It speaks of a very specific future instance in which this is happening, it speaks in a figurative way I believe, and it also speaks specifically of a very limited number of beings presenting the prayers of the set-apart ones, which is what the believers are usually referred to in the New Testament Scriptures. This is how I understand it right now. I know this is pretty vague, but that is all I have for now. I don't claim to teach anyone, it's just my personal answer to your question :) And about being "commonly understood", I believe there are many examples of things that were "commonly understood" in a certain way in the New Testament days that Yeshua had to correct.. so that's that for me.

[@lucienlagarde8093]

Hebrews 12:23 those in heaven are also righteous

[@Dustin_Quick_Holy_Smokes]

Daniel, I can’t find the source of this Midrash for the life of me: According to the Midrash, the first person to pray at Rachel’s tomb was her eldest son, Joseph, who was only 7 when his mother died. When he was 17, his brothers sold him into slavery. As he was being carried away to Egypt, he broke away from his captors, ran to his mother’s grave and cried to her: “Mother, my mother who gave birth to me, wake up, arise and see my suffering.” “Do not fear,” he heard his mother answer. “Go with them, and G‑d will be with you.” I’ve found the text itself several places online but they all say the same thing: “According to the Midrash...” I want to find an actual citation of the source. Do you know where it’s from?

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Hmmmm. Not off the top of my head. I’ll get back to you!

[@Dustin_Quick_Holy_Smokes]

@@TheJewishCatholic thanks brother!

[@Dustin_Quick_Holy_Smokes]

@@deusimperator thank you! I also found Sefer Yashar ch 42: And Joseph reached his mother's grave, and Joseph hastened and ran to his mother's grave, and fell upon the grave and wept. 31 And Joseph cried aloud upon his mother's grave, and he said, O my mother, my mother, O thou who didst give me birth, awake now, and rise and see thy son, how he has been sold for a slave, and no one to pity him. 32 O rise and see thy son, weep with me on account of my troubles, and see the heart of my brethren. 33 Arouse my mother, arouse, awake from thy sleep for me, and direct thy battles against my brethren. O how have they stripped me of my coat, and sold me already twice for a slave, and separated me from my father, and there is no one to pity me. 34 Arouse and lay thy cause against them before God, and see whom God will justify in the judgment, and whom he will condemn. 35 Rise, O my mother, rise, awake from thy sleep and see my father how his soul is with me this day, and comfort him and ease his heart. 36 And Joseph continued to speak these words, and Joseph cried aloud and wept bitterly upon his mother's grave; and he ceased speaking, and from bitterness of heart he became still as a stone upon the grave. 37 And Joseph heard a voice speaking to him from beneath the ground, which answered him with bitterness of heart, and with a voice of weeping and praying in these words: 38 My son, my son Joseph, I have heard the voice of thy weeping and the voice of thy lamentation; I have seen thy tears; I know thy troubles, my son, and it grieves me for thy sake, and abundant grief is added to my grief. 39 Now therefore my son, Joseph my son, hope to the Lord, and wait for him and do not fear, for the Lord is with thee, he will deliver thee from all trouble.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

@@deusimperator you never fail to come through. Thank you for always being such a supplemental part of this family.

[@deusimperator]

Midrash Sefer HaYashar Bereshit Vayeshev And the men continued their journey and on their road they passed Ephrath the place where ‎Rachel was buried. And when Joseph came near his mother's grave, he ran to the grave and he ‎fell upon it and wept. And Joseph cried out loudly upon his mother's grave, saying: Oh my ‎mother, my mother, thou who gavest me birth, awake and arise now to see thy son sold unto ‎slavery with no one to have compassion upon him. Oh arise to look at thy son, and weep with ‎me in my affliction, and see the hearts of my brothers. Oh my mother arouse and awake and ‎direct thy warfare against my brothers, who have stripped me of my coat and sold me into ‎slavery now for the second time, and have torn me away from my father where there is no ‎one to have pity upon me. Arouse and bring thy complaints against them before the Lord and ‎see who is to be justified in the judgment and who is to be condemned. Arise oh my mother, ‎awake from thy sleep, and see my father whose soul is with me this day, and comfort him and ‎console his heart. And Joseph spoke continually to his mother; and he cried aloud and wept ‎bitterly upon his mother's grave; and he ceased speaking and from the bitterness of his heart ‎he became silent like a stone upon the grave. And Joseph heard a voice speaking unto him ‎from under the ground, answering him in bitterness of heart in a voice of weeping and prayer, ‎in these words: My son Joseph, oh my son, I have heard the voice of thy weeping and crying, ‎and I have seen thy tears and I know thy affliction, oh my son It grieveth me for thy sake, oh ‎my son. And new sorrow hath been added to my sorrow. And now my son Joseph, hope thou ‎in the Lord and wait for his help and do not fear, for the Lord is with thee to deliver thee from ‎all trouble. Arise my son and go down with thy masters unto Egypt, and do not fear for the ‎Lord is with thee my son And she continued to speak unto Joseph according to these words ‎and then she was silent. And when Joseph heard this he was greatly astonished, and he kept ‎on weeping. And one of the Ishmaelites saw him weeping and lamenting over the grave, and ‎his wrath was kindled against Joseph, and he drove him away from the grave, and he beat him ‎and cursed him. And Joseph said unto the men: Let me find grace in your eyes and carry me ‎back unto my father's house, and he will reward you with great riches. And they answered ‎unto him, saying: Verily thou art a slave and where is thy father? For hadst thou a father thou ‎shouldst not have been sold into slavery, this the second time, and for such a small price. And ‎their anger was excited against him, and they beat him and Joseph wept bitterly. And the Lord ‎saw Joseph's affliction, and he smote these men once more.

[@27lebs]

Both passages in Revelation 5 & 8 are misrepresented. Neither of them have the saints bringing prayers to God. You are wrong.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

See what the earliest Christians believed in this regard.

[@27lebs]

​@@TheJewishCatholicThe earliest Christians believed scripture. The straightforward reading of it shows that saints do not bring prayers to God.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

@@27lebsreally? What is this canon they were reading for the first couple hundred years? It’s also really weird considering that even the book of John wasn’t even written till several decades after Christ’s ascension.

[@27lebs]

@@TheJewishCatholic Well, of course the 1st Century Christians had the OT. The first books (James & Galatians) of the NT scripture was written within 15 years of Jesus's ascension. Matthew & Mark were written between 50-60 AD & Luke a short time after that. All NT scriptures were written & being circulated no later than 100 AD. In fact, thanks to biblical archaeology we know that early in the 2nd century NT scriptures were already being bound together in a codex. The canon was already in place by the 2nd century.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

@@27lebsfirstly, the canon was not not set complete until much after the second century… there were several attempts by folks to create their own canons prior to that. It was the Church, that finally had the authority to establish a canon. 2nd the fact that there was no Bible for hundreds of years proves that Scripture Alone, was never a thing.

[@salc8870]

I have to say you approach the topic with nuance, but you disingenuously outline parallels that are not exact. Asking for ancestral intercession is something rooted in Shamanism, so one could find this theme in many diverse religions and cultures. What one does not find in Judaism, ancient or modern, are sculpted images of tzadikim. You don’t need litanies to the saints either to be closer to God. The method entailed in Catholicism involves Avodah Zarah. The iconoclasts in the early Church also debated this issue with those who wanted statues and images. Idolatry prevailed in some traditions as a vestige of pagan ways, contrary to the commandments of the Torah.

[@27lebs]

You're mistaken in Numbers 13:22 - or you're misleading people. There is nothing in that chapter about Caleb or anyone praying to their forefathers.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Literally not what I said. I talking about the ancient commentaries regarding that part of Scripture.

[@27lebs]

​@@TheJewishCatholicSo the commentaries are misleading? What are you citing specifically that says Caleb consulted his forefathers?

[@TheJewishCatholic]

@@27lebswatch the video again.

[@27lebs]

@@TheJewishCatholic Even going to Sotah 34b, it is only giving Rava's thoughts on what the Torah is saying. However, Numbers 13 gives no indication or hint that Caleb prayed to his deceased forefathers. This is the same thing as what happens when a specific Catholic tradition contradicts scripture. We must discard that tradition. When a rabbi's commentary (not inspired) in the Talmud (not inspired) contradicts what is in the Torah (inspired), we must discard that aspect of the commentary.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

@@27lebs2 things. The point is that this type of idea is not new to the Faith. 2nd, taking in the whole set of material provided we can see why this practice has excited in the Faith. You can chose not to believe it, the fact remains that this is not new. It is valid and the biblical basis backs it up.

[@klaudiawolak3892]

Just sad for this..

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Because…..

[@klaudiawolak3892]

@@TheJewishCatholic because we can pray only to God ! And one person's is before us and God ..is Jesus ..no one other ...all sains persons was only humans like us ! We all are sains !

[@TheJewishCatholic]

@@klaudiawolak3892 did you actually watch the video? Verify the sources? See what believers in Yeshua have done throughout history?… feels that you feel this way because of Protestant doctrine that are no more than 500 years old.

[@deusimperator]

What is prayer? It is an intercession. A portion of a civil complaint asking for compensatory damages is known as a prayer of relief. The lawyer is your advocate in court. Protestants have a very low threshold of what "worship" is, for a Protestant, prayer is worship. But in Midieval Europe people "worshipped" certain people on special civic days. Judges were addressed as "Your worship" the word worship used to mean to honor someone, but due to the way the word is used in the KJV bible this word has changed since the 18th century. However, Catholics have a much higher threshold of what worship is. Sacrifice is the form of worship given to G-d alone. But as protestants you do not have a sacrifice, so for you prayer is worship. But Catholics have a sacrifice we perform known as the Eucherist and this is what is reserved to G-d alone. Remember that incense used in the extra ordinary form of the liturgy is reserved for G-d by Catholics. Remember the gifts brought to Christ when He was a baby. Gold - His kingship, Frankinsence - His Divinity and Myrrh signifying His death. You do not performe a sacrificial litugy so you think what you do in your congregational buildings is worship. As protestants you cannot ever give G-d rightful worship. Worship always requires a sacrifice.

[@almaj.santiago4028]

Me to know that you were in the right track and now you have gone backwards in time do you know the history of the Catholic church and even if it's Oxalis not it still has it still has the undertone of the Catholic movement if you really know your history the movement of Jesus was not Messianic it was called the way because he was already a devoted Jew. Why would we go back to the mother of paganism and rosaries I'm praying to the Our Father in the Hail Mary and the sinner's prayer come on guy you are confused you have been taken like the Bible says you have been taken like the wind blows and the trees waves at the wind blows and you are soooo waving in this time when we are in the end times when we must stand firm in the convictions of our faith with God and his son because in Torah it says Thou shalt have no other gods before you that Shall Not Bow and pray before them and you are doing exactly what Torah says not to do I hope you can come out you can come out of your misunderstanding of the word of God and come out to the true knowledge of the word of God of Torah at about wearing kempas or tablets or wearing seat seeds it's about living God's words in the first words of God's Commandments are the Ten Commandments which are the principal Foundation of our belief because Yeshua Jesus lifted and taught us to live it we are not only to talk to but to in truth

[@TheJewishCatholic]

This is your belief. And I believe you are incorrect. I appreciate your concern over my personal life but I assure you, nothing I’m doing here is out of emotion, ignorance or personal bias. I dedicate myself completely to God. All I do is for Him. I research history, I’ve prayed, fasted, and begged the Almighty for His guidance. This is where He has lead me. If you feel that I’m wrong, then, that’s how you feel. I’m not telling to you believe what I believe. But I do pray that the Almighty would guide you, bless you and keep you. Shalom :)

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

You have no foundation or documented history. You use the bible the Catholic Church put together in 382AD at Council of Rome. Our Church has a documented line and evidence linking it directly to Matt 16 and the Church established by Jesus. Messianics are Karaites whose theology is just evangelical protestantism just arrived on the scene. From conception the Church was an OFFICIAL sect within Judaism. When you read Acts 1 and if you are familiar with Halakhah Law you will immediately notice that the Church is a legal entity WITHIN Judaism. There are 3 requirements which are met. Firstly, notice that there are 120 members in this synagogue. Why is this important? It is the exact number of persons in the Halakhah regulations to form a full fledged synagogue. Secondly next according to Halakhah regulations there must be a "beit din" (Hebrew court) formed. We see that there is a beit din and it draws lots and Matthias a disciple is chosen to take over Judas bishopric (episkopen). The first example of Apostolic Succession. So two of the three requirements are met. The third requirement is that there must be a NASI (prince/temporal) and an AB (father/spiritual) appointed. Curiously Peter is filling both these positions in this beit din. Why? In 190 BC the Kohan Gadol (jewish high priest office) fell into apostasy and beit din gadol cast a vote of no confidence splitting the two offices of the kohan gadol into the "nasi" and the "ab" within the Beit Din Gadol. Fast forward to Matt16, in this new Beit Din Gadol (70 disciples) Christ has placed His confidence in Peter (the first AB/father/pope meaning papa) by presenting him the Keys to the temple and bringing the two offices back together the way it originally was. The pope has both temporal and spiritual powers. Peter is the NASI prince of the apostles and the AB/pope (Pope meaning papa - meaning father) as you see even today the pope as Peters documented unbroken apostolic successor is both ‘nasi’ and the ‘ab’ in Catholicism. Christ appointed Peter as His steward with the keys as per Isaiah 22 vs 19-24 and Matt16. Peter is First amongst equals. In the Davidic kingdoms there was always an al-bayith (steward), that is Peters role. Christ also renames Peter (the only Apostle renamed) as Abraham and Jacob were renamed by God in preparation for their specific role in salvation history. Peter's successors (Popes) are first amongst equals ie bishops who make up the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. First book of Kings lists all the Kings and it always has the royal steward/vizier listed next to the King as well because in the absence of the King he was in charge of the Kingdom. The steward is given the sash/robes/keys to the temple because the role is also a priestly role. The steward would wear the keys around his neck so the citizens of the davidic kingdoms knew who he was. (Rashi/Jewish sage writes a commentary on the priestly role of the steward/vizier and the Keys are the keys of the temple and government). Jesus presents the keys to Peter (Pope/ab) and appoints him/his successors as His royal steward to care for HIs flock until His return. The 120 is the Knesset HaGadolah which was supposed to be restored in the Olam Haba. Judaism and Catholicism was born on Shavuot/Pentecost.

[@liquidnitrogen58]

Catholic/protestant debating and apologetics is important, but hearing the voice of Jesus in the Eucharist is more important. Write down things Jesus says to you in Eucharistic Adoration, and publish your diary on KZbin. Write down a conversation that you had with Jesus. Patricia Sandoval said Jesus has blue eyes. This is how you’re gonna make your KZbin channel different than all other Catholic KZbinrs. Even Father Mike Schmitz does not do this.