Pre-Arrival: Firefighters find back of house on fire - Saint Clair, Pa. - 06/08/2020

[@MooseP148]

great video and knockdown. Bothers me to see no eye protection or gloves taking windows. Also taking windows merely to vent when they can be opened.

[@markkrammes4873]

One of the first things we were taught back in my days! I hope they are still teaching that, but in this case, it looks like they aren't! You have very little if any fire showing after the knockdown, do they realize how silly breaking windows looks like when they could easily access the interior and open the windows!

[@poppiarlin5612]

This is because firefighters love to copy NYCFD.

[@3220fire]

This a joke right? Where do I start? I’m going to suggest that you invest in some Firefighter 1 training first. Them move upwards from there. I would also suggest some incident command training for your chiefs.

[@ffjsb]

Looks like they did as much damage ventilating as the fire did. You know you've got a screwed up FD when a Chief is using a hook, it's clear he doesn't know what a command function entails.

[@justanotherguy1110]

I never understood this whole ideology that a white helmet/chief can't still be a "fireman". Once they get promoted, that automatically in some parallel universe doesn't allow them to get dirty anymore? As long as they aren't actively running command functions, and there's another qualified person running the show, I don't see what the problem is. Maybe I'm spoiled to have known some great chief officers who aren't afraid to get sweaty and dirty and still wanna do some work.

[@ffjsb]

@@justanotherguy1110 Why do you need a Chief to be a firefighter???? There are WAY too many functions for them to be filling instead of on a nozzle or with a pike pole. But then again, this is Pa. where virtually zero training is required, so that's why you see so much stupid stuff happening there. A Chief should be doing Incident Command, accountability, safety officer, staging officer, water supply officer, sector or division command before they pick up a tool or put on an SCBA.

[@justanotherguy1110]

@@ffjsb And as I already said, as long as those tasks are already taken care of and controlled by qualified personnel, then what is the big deal if a Chief wants to get dirty and do work rather than bark orders? Who are you to tell them they can't? Have they all of a sudden lost that right just because they have a different title and a different color helmet/gear? I'll never buy into that bullshit stigma you're trying to sell, no offense. Thank god my Chief is still a fireman at heart, and not just a paper pusher. Hell, he went interior with us last time we did live burn training.

[@ffjsb]

@@justanotherguy1110 If you have that many Chiefs at a scene that ALL of the command roles are filled, WHY is that Chief even at the scene, and why are there so many Chiefs?????? Going interior in a live burn has NOTHING to do with doing it on a working fire. You must be a Pa. "firefighter".

[@r.a.hassel8006]

Yeah when I was a deputy chief, I worked a number of fires as a firefighter, simply because we had more chiefs than firefighters, so a couple of chiefs geared up and when in. Also I have worked fires where we have had as many as 80 firefighters doing a interior attack at once, believe me there are going to be a couple of chiefs inside with those 80 firefighters supervising.

[@hardcore20035]

Guess I was trained differently as a Firefighter. While responding I would be putting on my gear and airpack. So when I got off the rig. Also The Engineer would be getting the Hose charged for us to go inside. As for the truck work, the Truck Company would be doing their job.

[@justanotherguy1110]

I'm in the same boat with you brother. Not knocking these guys for it, but me personally I don't understand why you would want to come off the truck, not ready to go to work. I mean hell, even for routine alarm activation I still come off the truck with full gear, SCBA and a tool ready to go to work. It's called professionalism.

[@johnmcdermitt1693]

@@justanotherguy1110 I like the way you think my brother! 👍

[@poppiarlin5612]

Most departments have a seat belt policy. My department of 41 years makes it plain, your ass had be secured by that seat belt while it is in motion!

[@JB91710]

Are you trying to say you would treat this like a JOB and not an adventure?

[@moemcgovern7345]

@@poppiarlin5612 Seatbelts saved the lives of both my son and I.

[@SaseboJoe]

Good video. I did notice a FF breaking out glass on a ladder with no gloves on. I may have just opened the top section of the window.

[@bradyholiday2012]

That firefighter is my friends dad he was assigned to break windows I’m a firefighter in Saint Clair that’s how I know

[@JB91710]

@@bradyholiday2012 There was hardly any smoke on that floor. There was no need to do anything but open the top sash. Breaking windows just because you can is childish, disrespectful and irresponsible. If there was a good chance the fire was on that floor, then you need to do it for venting and to create an egress location.

[@udizzy1969]

Great work, Good Knock down, Be safe, The Dizz.

[@garystewart2350]

Getting a thumbs up from udizzy means you are doing something right. He is the best of the best!

[@udizzy1969]

@@garystewart2350 Well Thank You Very Much Gary, We all Are doing The best we can, Stay safe. The Dizz.

[@wbarr550]

How the hell do you get there first...Like The Wind!!!!

[@FireandFilmdotcom]

Indeed! Was on my way home from work. Only a mile away when the box went out!

[@rescueray911]

Ladder just sitting there and not up in the air. Why.

[@ffjsb]

Too many wires, and really no need. I don't know why they even threw ground ladders, the fire was contained by the time they threw them.

[@r.a.hassel8006]

Next time look up!

[@charlesrudish9147]

I hope they filmed this incident and will use it to teach how NOT to work a fire scene. I'm assuming these are pretty much all volunteers, because any professionally trained outfit would know to at least wear gloves and face protection when taking out windows and stretching lines. What's that chief doing with that plaster hook? Doesn't he trust his firefighters to do the job? The city is paying him to lead, not the work. And is there a shortage of SCBA's in that area? it would so appear.

[@virgilhilts3924]

You sound like a 🤡

[@bladerunner2434]

What was the source of the fire?

[@FireandFilmdotcom]

Not sure

[@bradyholiday2012]

I was on scene of that fire I’m a firefighter in Saint Clair it was a kitchen fire that had major extensions into the structure

[@rdety]

lots of Junk in the Yard...

[@moviemagg]

At 6.45 a Firefighter on a ladder breaking the glass of a window with no protection covering his eyes. Real Smart! No Brains!

[@Chris-s2r]

Or under the window being broken.. or just go in and open it lol

[@charlesrudish9147]

@@Chris-s2r Open the window?? surely you jest. It seems that too many departments follow the FDNY practice of destroy every window in the structure, whether it needs to come out or not. I understand ventilation practices but some departments take it a bit far.

[@williamheber2118]

Whats the matter? These people don't like to don SCBA'S? Nothing new for PA. PA. firefighters are the most unsafe.

[@charlesrudish9147]

I'm glad it's not just me that thinks this about PA firefighting.

[@notthatdonald1385]

No air packs? And the chief pulling ceiling. He has no confidence in his people, or himself.

[@shawnfogle6096]

LMFAO 🤣

[@scootershowerhandle6276]

I was there

[@sonicblue6778]

This is why us good Volunteers get bad reps. We got the Rookies (Hookies) operating the quint just to play with the turn table controls, have JR on the extension ladder with no one footing the ladder, gloves or eye protection, have windows all over the structure be smashed out, three men with packs on and a pissed off insurance company writing a check for the unnecessary damage. That entire area is backwards down there as are a lot of other places in the state. It's pretty sad there are no state requirements to put your life at risk and to protect others in the state of Pennsylvania other than the out dated requirements of the department you choose to join. No rules for being born an idiot and dying a hero.

[@virgilhilts3924]

You sound like a 🤡

[@russhornberger756]

funny