Preach REACTS to WoW 9.2 Flying Requirements

[@peterwright5311]

This is making me want to resub. The opportunity to earn flying TWICE in a single expansion??? This is pure gold Blizz...

[@malonysaintpierre1599]

places u have never seen, new water

[@gregjross852]

Right I think we need restrictions around flying atleast 3 times per expansion for it to be fun! Each patch everything should reset so I can do the same 8 dungeons and same raid or same pvp all over again each patch! That’s such good content!

[@jdvorakczech]

@@malonysaintpierre1599 mate, don't even joke about it, it's water you can walk on!!!! never seen anything like taht!!! ever!

[@Kostasdxi]

@@jdvorakczech You should be glad that Blizzard makes you unlock flying again so that you can experience the incredible feeling of walking..... on mf WATER!

[@jdvorakczech]

@@Kostasdxi it's really incredible how thanks to the unimaginable advancement in technology we can finally do this. In this most alien world they have ever created you can finally do things you'd never imagine doing before. Except when it's really cold outside... Like it's now for example... When I can go outside and literally walk on water.... Ffs.. sorry can't keep this up, it pisses me off to no end xD

[@SmugHomura]

This video feels like a war veteran watching a documentary of the war and reliving the trauma in real time

[@Finicky9]

I mean that is excessive but pretty much LOL

[@diode_wow]

While the documentary is written and narrated by some college freshman who just enrolled in ROTC for the first time.

[@sgt391]

@@diode_wow i'd add, a freshman on Copium xd

[@demoulius1529]

Was gonna comment pretty much the same thing lol

[@beardedbastard4990]

Definitely a huge stretch....

[@OriginalMicycle]

"It's only the PTR" is like the slogan on the side of the bottle of Copium.

[@aislingyngaio]

"It's only the Alpha" "It's only the Beta" "It's only x.0" "It's only x.1" "It's only x.2" "Why are you still complaining? The expac is over, get hyped for the next expac, they'll defo do better!" "It's only the Alpha" Rinse and repeat.

[@vahidfarahani5142]

@@aislingyngaio my exact thought. They did the same thing in bfa and every patch of SL. Legion was better but some nerfs and buffs still took a lot of time to happen.

[@andreware2039]

@@aislingyngaio I was admittedly one of those people in first two stages 😭

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

@@aislingyngaio hey, it worked for YEARS lol

[@emetanti]

@@DadsCigaretteRun Worked is a strong word for it.

[@andrewshandle]

9.1.5 - Listen, we get it. We've screwed up. Now, it's not our fault because the players have changed, but we now know that all this gating and restrictions just isn't fun anymore. This is a new WoW team that respects your time...even though we did nothing wrong before! 9.2 - Yeah, we were just kidding. Grind b!tches!

[@therabbits69]

they changed it lol. but of course all of you are way behind the times. flying is unlocked week 2. no rep grind, no collecting, nothing. all you need to do is play the game and do the few small quests.

[@andrewshandle]

@@therabbits69 all it took was going back on their word and getting crapped on from the entire player base for two weeks for them to realize that keeping to their word was a better way to go. This is a _very_ recognizable pattern with Blizzard. Just think of all the time the developers are forced to waste doing crap like this every patch and expansion because management is still pushing FOMO grinds.

[@therabbits69]

@@andrewshandle no. The playerbase was a bunch of cucks. Blizzard literally said from day 1 that flying would be locked behind the zone and their would be a grind. WHAT THEY SAID was their would be no player power locked behind the new zone system which is still true. Flying is not player power Your 2nd legendary is locked behind the campaign and rep (if you want to move it to another item)

[@andrewshandle]

@@therabbits69 players: “we don’t like this mobile phone, FOMO, log in every day bullshit that you are adding to the game in 9.2 especially after you promised in 9.1.5 that you’d get rid of it from now on” Scott: “you are all cuck losers! You will take everything Blizzard puts out even thought it’s all clearly mobile phone garbage designed to improve metrics instead of making a better game and you will like it!” Scott, your priorities are _all_ wrong. Blizzard and Bobby K’s tactics to improve the share price of ABK at the expense of the playerbase doesn’t need your defending.

[@hansfriedemann4194]

The WoW dev team clearly need someone whose sole responsibility is to ask "Is this fun for our players?" whenever they are discussing new features/systems. It is blatantly obvious that such a position does not currently exist there.

[@TheNikKon]

WYM, that person is Ion xD

[@hansfriedemann4194]

@@TheNikKon Hoh boi :D

[@deathofshadows]

Fun?? Where is that on our profit charts?

[@ughitstravis9243]

Very true dude. Painfully obvious.

[@shinydesteny8713]

As a Developer myself, i can promise you, that the "normal" developer everyone is refering to, can't decide shit. The whole decisions come from Management and Stakeholders and on all decisions, they did while Shadowlands Expansion you clearly can read between the lines, that the only aspect they care of is "ohh our subs are dropping, how the fuck can we bind player on our game". Because we're in the Internet i need to say that is just my experience in this job and i'm just try to predict stuff, but surely it CAN be another reason and it WILL be another reason why Blizzard is patching / designing WoW like they do.

[@lasarila1629]

"Wow is anti-wow. It doesn't take anyone clever to see how stupid this is." Preach it brother.

[@GamingDualities]

too bad u are not clever enough too see through KZbinrs and social media bullsheet. while u guys are arguing in the comments, they are rolling in the money

[@MrLightlike78]

@@GamingDualities lol, ok.

[@Aevalii]

@@GamingDualities Oh no? Preach is making a lot of money? How horrible?

[@NeguraGhost]

@@GamingDualities be careful you might cut yourself on that edge xD

[@lerpy4338]

@@GamingDualities too bad you're not clever enough to understand that supporting content creators you enjoy watching is actually a good thing and not some Snakey ploy going on behind the scenes.

[@zomgpeoplestolemname]

And I quote "There will be no new additional systems after 9.0", here we are again in systemsland with a new system.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

good thing its entirely optional, as it has 0 player power locked behind it.

[@diode_wow]

@@RazanaArcclaw Except for flying so it's not that optional

[@metalmilitia89]

@@RazanaArcclaw that copium bro

[@sgt391]

@@RazanaArcclaw not required stuff should be fun casual content, not trash bulshit

[@TheFates666]

@@RazanaArcclaw >literally buffs you in the zone >0 player power For raiding, yes. It quite literally is a player power system though.

[@BeigeFrequency]

I'm so tired of having to relearn flying. Nobody likes it, or thinks it improves the experience of a new zone to have to grind out flying for weeks. It's just a draining chore you have to put up with.

[@sis5436]

stop playing world of warcraft in 2022 and make a video about sean strickland already

[@masterpain7742]

@Urazz Itd not even hard to get flying I literally got it in 3 weeks before everything was easy now it's too easy but people still wanna complain

[@b.d.1112]

Yeah, once you hit level cap you should be able to get it immediately.

[@chipchippahson]

@@masterpain7742 Sure thing retail Andy.

[@the_drgoblin]

​@Urazz FF14's aether currents are annoying too, they should just make it so you press space and can fly. Screw being diligent and not being that much effort, just don't lock it behind random stuff.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

"Not even Blizzard would go so far as to make you grind flying on alts too." While I agree THIS TIME, never say never. Their depravity knows no bounds.

[@ppsarrakis]

if this game got realesed nowdays this would be true,same for transmog.

[@TankHunter678]

Asmongold pointed out that the achievement that gives flying in Zareth Mortis does not have a blue outline, which means it is not account wide. You actually do have to grind flying in Zareth Morits on your alts.

[@WakoDoodle]

When I used to play a lot of wow, flying was this: 1. you buy the flying mastery. The higher it is, the more expensive it was. 2. you buy the flying mount. 3. you fly. The only hard part was getting the gold for flying, but by the time you did you felt like you earned it and you learnt how to get gold resonably by that time. Sure it's not as unique as what other games do now, but sometimes simple is best. If you want a more interesting method on flying mounts, look at Guild Wars 2 or Final Fantasy 14. One gives you the flying mount after you do the quests and raise it from an egg (skyscale), then it's yours forever on all characters on any region. FF14, you explore the map and do the 5 specific quests + story. Boom! Flying.

[@aldrinsean]

Obviously inflation in wow is not gonna help that method. But I agree GW2 really did a good job with their method. It's so much more satisfying and reasonable.

[@Otakahunt]

The only issue with GW2 was the amount of grind and pointless running around you had to do for it. But it was definitely worth it... also the flying mounts ACTUALLY have some mechanics to them instead of just being a fancy model with gamemaster-flight slapped onto it... theres literally no mechanics to it in WoW nor FF14, just press space bar and fly infinitely. Flying in GW2 is actually fun too... and the other mounts also have something special in them so its not like flying trumps ground mounts automatically. FF14 went by that issue by giving every mount flying, meanwhile WoW is still dragging 15 years behind... which is sad. I like WoW the most, but cant force myself to play a shitty game.

[@iplayguitarfunky]

I really miss how simple WoW used to be, I tried getting back into Shadowlands recently and was so confused on what I needed to do with my character at lvl cap..Ive never had this issue with any other expansion since starting in Wrath.

[@Arrow333]

In addition to the way you aquire your flying mounts in GW2, there is one important mechanical difference: You can't fly forever high above everything forever. Both griffon and skyscale force you to go to ground from time to time or being smart with their mechanics. So it is still possible to build geometry that blocks flying. But more likely the world geometry designed in a way with flying in mind, and the game mechanics don't make you want to skip everything that is going on on the ground, so you actually have reasons to unmount. Oh, and there are some enemies that can unmount you quite quickly if you don't pay attention. When you get flying in WoW you pretty much skip everything until you reach the planned location (or multiple locations, if you are farming ressources). Instead of unlocking the boring version of flying, you could have flying on a ressource bar which depletes pretty fast at the beginning of each expansion / new zone. Of the course of the time you gain some expansion / zone depending flight proficiency and learn new tricks (flight manouvers) that let you stay in the air longer. And you can do as much or little of that as you want, because instead of an on/off switch you just keep getting better and you can stop once you are happy with the flight time you gained.

[@kingjoe3rd]

​@@iplayguitarfunky It's been that way for the past 2 expansions when it comes to being unnecessarily overcomplicated. That is part of the main criticism that the game gets with the whole "slapping systems on top of systems to fix other systems".

[@badanhus]

I'm so glad that after playing a couple months of Shadowlands I've re-rolled from Druid to Unninstal Wizard and never looked back. Good luck to all still playing wow.

[@sunderwire]

Uninstall Wizard is the most fun class in WoW

[@josetello9924]

Yes I quit after the mage tower bulkshit best thing I did in my life not looking back don't want to come back I'm good mage tower killed it for me

[@Fatfit2]

😂

[@Zierohour1]

In before Taliesin explains to me in great detail how the pathfinder achievements were bad before, so I shouldn't be upset with this one being bad now... I'm already as dry as the Sahara.

[@Eoleoriffic]

But he makes fun of what a shill he is! That means he's totally one of us! Right guys? :takes a hit of copium:

[@Zierohour1]

@@Eoleoriffic lol riight xD

[@TheSilverwing999]

You guys got banned from his chat or something? No one likes bullies on the internet. You can disagree with someone's opinions without acting like an asshole

[@JohnYoo39]

I selected "show me less from this channel" a couple of times and haven't seen anything from him since. It's been amazing.

[@Zierohour1]

@@TheSilverwing999 No, not banned from anything, nor do I go around acting like an asshole. While we are on the topic, I don't see anything "asshole" like posted here. Maybe people are aloud to make non-offensive posts, tonged and cheek picking on someone, without the need for a random internet butthurt Beverly showing up to call everyone down? Iono, maybe not.. just a thought.

[@mchowast]

Hahaha! The research time really feels like a mobile game feature, just needs the option to skip it for some cash.

[@hellboy19991]

make the problem, sell the solution...

[@op4000exe]

Oh don't worry, Bobby will be right on that. Just a few days after it launches so all the press isn't quite so nasty by the time people realise.

[@geovanegustavo4320]

Shh dont give them ideas

[@lootmaster1337]

Can't wait to bribe a goblin with 5000 gold to make it go faster..

[@Arrow333]

I really wonder why they just didn't go with "completes when we got your next monthly sub, b*t*h" for the research timers. At least that would be an honest statement about how ABK feels about their customers / players and ABKs motivations for these systems.

[@drewmalekith4614]

Had flight in every zone, day2 of Endwalker which was when I finished the final MSQ quest. Had flying fully unlocked for a zone once I had finished the MSQ in that zone

[@Hooga89]

Which is good itself, but also FF is alot better at developing zones that fit flying. It feels like the WoW devs on the other hand really regret putting it in the game in the first place and are trying to socialize the player base into eventually removing it by making it annoying as hell to unlock it.

[@TheNikKon]

@@Hooga89 the rate they are going, there won't be a playerbase left

[@onetrickponysona2613]

you finished msq in two days?

[@Rc3651]

For every other FF expansion I unlocked flying immediately upon finishing the zone story. But I personally haven't unlocked flying in any Endwalker zone yet due to the long queues haha. I had to mainline the story to prevent being spoiled, then I went right into the harder content which didn't need flying. It's not that getting flying is hard or time consuming, it's just harder to find the time when it takes 2 hours to get online. It's a good problem to have I guess haha

[@Sherolox]

@@onetrickponysona2613 They were clearly in on the hype and probably took a few days off to binge it. If you wake up, take your breakfast in front of your game and eat during voiced cutscenes, you can get a lot done. But you’d be sitting on the game for probably over 10 hours a day to beat the MSQ in two days. And even 20+ hours would be hard to reach for the average player. Beating Trial 1 took me an entire hour (including duty finder queue) already.

[@Sachnix]

16:40 as someone who has started playing tbc classic again a month or so ago, every zone in that by now ancient expansion looks more alien than what they came up with here. Been actually really fun, now properly going through zones that had never been points of endgame for me. made me really appreciate how utterly wild Netherstorm, and how desolate Shadowmoon valley is. oh btw, remember tbc? where you could just buy flying the moment you hit 70? that must have been a really shit expansion playercount wise.. i mean, if youre not grinding for flying, what would you be even sticking around for? baffling really

[@ajaakola2]

attuments lol

[@NoConsequenc3]

@@ajaakola2 yeah tbc had tons that sucked ass but flying wasn't one of them

[@tashikat9040]

@@ajaakola2 I dunno, I find the concept of Attunements alright. It gives a clear and somewhat open way for you to keep progressing in endgame. If they brought back attunements for raids/mythic+, made it tied to account wide achivements for each part (so you didn't have to re-attune a huge monstrous flowchart if you needed an alt in the raid that week or w/e) and that was your system for the expansion? Wouldn't be too bad. This is, of course, only if attunements was the system, and only if it wasn't also timegated like a lot of the systems now. If it was attunements on top of farming X for your borrowed power boots and then your Netherite Sockets need to be leveled by grinding a rep, it'd be even more shit. But just attunement? Giving you a breadcrumb trail of unlocking instances, raids, getting reputation with a specific faction to unlock the hard mode which naturally also gives you an increasing ilevel to gear yourself up as you run them? This could be a nice way of spreading out endgame pacing some, give some daily goals that people can log in for, and have an appreciable sense of actually working towards a goal.

[@ConnorCoultrup]

I know you are being sarcastic, but yea having to grind for flying makes me literally just not want to play. Never got flying in WoD, never will at this point. I finished the entire story in Shadowlands without flying, I'm certainly not about to re-sub and then grind that out again. The developers are just ... I don't want to insult them but I don't understand their choices.

[@alaskanmalamute101]

they gotta learn to fly to as that requires less developers that actually adding new content or hiring staff to make a story that makes sense Blizzard: cmon you dont need dungeons/raids just work on flying so you can go after thanos..i mean the jailor Blizzard: ok we have a new raid for you..it is the re re rework of Naxxramas for the players that missed out on the original release, the lich king rework, wow classic version that dont want to wait for the harder SoM version or the wow classic wotlk easy version..coming later this year to a dead server near you Blizzard: enjoy the new content!

[@ravingraven2522]

WoW: How much time do I have to spend THIS expac to get flying? FF14: Got flying in the first week. The only reason it took me that long was because I was too busy enjoying the story and the full aether current sidequest lines.

[@chryobanshee]

Wow I always thought WoW flying unlock was always bad but after playing FF14 for a bit. They have flying down perfectly. You finish the story in that zone, and explore the area for about 25 minutes and unlock flying. Hard to go back to wow especially since they are making it like this.

[@wjpark01]

They have reduced the number of Aether currents to 1/2 - 1/3 what it was in Heavensward, at least. So it is even shorter

[@randalica92]

@@wjpark01 was it more than 10+5 per zone?

[@wjpark01]

@@randalica92 10 you had to search for in Coerthas Western Highlands . Basically noticed that before Endwalker the green Aether Currents were about 1-2x the numerous of quest locked currents.

[@wjpark01]

I rolled a new character on a low population datacenter server (Aether is pretty damned full) and played through to Heavensward which was how I noticed this

[@Hirotoro4692]

@@wjpark01 all non current expansion now have only 4 currents hidden around each zone You can confirm it on the currents menu too. Applies also to SB and ShB

[@dusanslavnic4727]

I don't think Soul understands that people want flying specifically because of the convenience of not having to deal with all the unnecessary trash that stands between you and whatever/wherever the hell you want to do/go, im fairly certain 90% of the players would rather flying just be tied to an item you buy for gold like it was pre-WoD

[@DuoMaxwellDS]

Don't give them idea, next thing you know it will involve WoW token.

[@dusanslavnic4727]

@@DuoMaxwellDS i don't play WoW anymore, what they do is not my problem

[@richardshiflett5181]

Or tied to zone main quest like ff14

[@owendoll2983]

You can watch the light leave Mike’s eyes the moment he sees the research console

[@NickMK]

Can you give me a timestamp? Idk what a research console is I dont play anymore

[@owendoll2983]

@@NickMK 2:07

[@RazanaArcclaw]

i dont know why he is so bothered speaking the zone is entirely optional, as the zone has no player power locked behind it.

[@DarkKerialstraz]

@@RazanaArcclaw Lore and gameplay elements are still tied to it, so the system also takes precedence especially when it is tied on unlocking the ancients language.

[@swiftyfun88]

KEKW

[@_alex_y.not_]

The zone straight up looks like those really early unfinished datamined files they found for vanilla Emerald Dream lmao.

[@madara657]

i didn't even realise this was the new zone lolololol

[@dobrescurumy]

Man what a nice game! Literally paying for getting punished by the devs, who in this world doesn't want that?

[@Blackbirdone11]

You never played new world than.

[@srambrero]

seems they are doing fine, apparently most of the wow players are masochists

[@evilmac9623]

I never understood the devs obsession with locking flying in WOW. The idea that it makes the world feel more full is BS when you shard everyone into their own little zone with 5 people walk next to each other...

[@JackgarPrime]

I don't understand why it isn't something like FF. Explore the map to find the currents, do a couple sidequests that are clearly marked, BOOM! All your mounts now fly in that zone.

[@stevieblunder2656]

That's their excuse. The real reason is so that all the story stuff and bs chores they make you do in the zones take longer. Literally everything in the game at this point is there to slow you down regardless of what you're trying to do.

[@Jormungrandrserpent]

Because making zones that use flying well takes effort *cough* Storm Peaks, Hyjal *cough*. The way they design their zones is designed to waste the most time with 100s of wimpy annoying enemies that if you ignore will swarm you to death. Flying renders that model and design obsolete so they have to make a pre-existing mechanic hard as fuck to get so only the most dedicated no lifers can get it within a reasonable amount of time.

[@stevieblunder2656]

@@Jormungrandrserpent yeah, Argus was the most egregious example to me of that. Like, it's so obvious what they're doing. I get the technical reason that the zones weren't rendered for flying,but then why you gotta put mobs, choke points, chasms,fucking EVERYWHERE? Because it takes longer. SL zones are less excessive than Argus but still the same thing. The ones I've seen, anyway. I got to where the venthyr (sp?) or whatever while leveling when SL came out and just logged off and never went back.

[@BrodyCanuck]

At some point the new devs working on the game decided it was a good idea to add features like this, and then they got it stuck in their head that these types of features are what WoWs identity is and that they have to continue to keep adding stuff like this. These features are why people are leaving the game.... not because dungeons and raids are bad, not because the combat doesnt feel good.... dungeons, raids, combat all feel good.....its all of the extra BS that keeps getting added that just drains peoples soul.

[@DracoSuave]

I don't think any dev wants to do this. This is the sort of bullshit that comes from the beancounters.

[@BrodyCanuck]

@@DracoSuave Stop giving them the benefit of the doubt

[@DracoSuave]

@@BrodyCanuck I'm not, I'm simply saying that this is the short of system someone makes to please an accountant and fulfill metrics, and it's a perfect design from that standpoint. The alternative is believing that your rank and file devs have any sort of say in the direction of game systems which is a fucking laugh.

[@BrodyCanuck]

@@DracoSuave why bother having devs if you just control what they put in the game then?

[@DracoSuave]

@@BrodyCanuck I dunno how your job works but most workplaces have a thing called a 'boss' that determines policy. The presence of one of these 'boss' people doesn't mean that workers suddenly don't have anything to do.

[@nyos22]

Having to wait on research in game tor which you pay a monthly subscription to play, seems like Blizz is actually spitting in your face. A research item, taking 6d 18h costs you 1/4 of your monthly sunscription. You are paying to wait for something that you already farmed.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

man having to wait to raid in a game for which you pay a monthly sub to play seems like blizz is actually spitting in your face, a weekly reset taking 7 days, costing you 1/4 of your monthly sub. you are paying to wait to farm a raid again.

[@fish5645]

@@RazanaArcclaw I can tell you are trying to be sarcastic but you are only proving their point and I have seen you on other comments being told your opinion is wrong so I am here to do that as well. Defend WoW all you like, the game is sinking.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

@@fish5645 "my opinion is wrong" im correcting people that the info in the video is incorrect... and wow "the game is dying" thing people have been saying since vanilla wow.

[@stevieblunder2656]

"Assuming you commit to diligent farming, you're going to unlock perks on an almost daily basis." So, he still doesn't realize he's paying to play a mobile game at this point? edit: obviously people can play whatever they want. It just blows my mind that someone can say something like that and not realize how nuts it is.

[@andyingram7818]

12 years of WoW, cancelled the my sub last week. Finally stopped inhaling that copium which has kept me going for the last 6 of those 12 years. I look at myself and think... What the hell am I doing? It hasn't been fun for me in a long time. My good friends jumped ship a couple of years ago, but I kept toking that copium. "Blizzard will put WoW back on track", I kept telling myself. Then I see update after update that progressively makes less and less sense, less fun, and I get annoyed because I realise I was just lying to myself. It ain't making a comeback. Well, had some great times. I loved what this game used to be.

[@josetello9924]

I quit 3 weeks ago best thing I did mage tower killed it for me

[@laylaminrir]

Hope you'll find good games to enjoy again Me I don't have time to hard commit to mmos anymore so I'm enjoying smaller games with friends when we're free.

[@josetello9924]

@@laylaminrir like what I'm trying to play something fun

[@lootship5]

praise the algorithm, this is just what i need this morning.

[@DaWoWzer]

I've had so much fun playing through my massive back catalog of games since quitting wow, i forgot games were meant to be fun. Just finished Divinity OS, gonna be starting the 2nd one soon.

[@aeo-gard]

Honestly good on you man, especially if you were the type of player that ONLY played WoW and missed out on so many genuinely great gaming experiences, from past and current While waiting for endwalker after having finished all my big goals for shadowbringers, and not returning to WoW, I played through like 10 different games 100% on the backlog and it felt GOOD

[@koagz]

Divinity is so good. OS2 was a personal GOTY. Enjoy!

[@00Fiddlesticks00]

DOS2 is one of the best games I've ever played.

[@yoricade]

I played DOS2 for the first time sometime after I quit wow and man it was AWESOME

[@disnark]

Fun fact: Digital Extremes has actually removed certain “pay money” features from Warframe in the past because those features encouraged/enabled addictive gambling behavior. Think Blizzard would do that today?

[@kaly8329]

I bet you the very first thing actiblizz will do is ask DE "how did you make that slot machine?"

[@knowwhoiamyet]

I remember seeing an interview about that! I got a chuckle when they were like "Oh no! We invented a slot machine!" lol I never much minded Warframe's crafting time gating because that was really the only time gate (when I played at least, not sure about now.) When it came to farming Prime parts and whatnot, there was no limit on how much you could farm. Need some keys to get into the missions that dropped Prime parts? Go farm the normal missions that drop keys with rather generous rates. Easy peasy. You wanted to do it? You did it. And I liked that. Especially that these Prime parts could then be sold for the game's premium currency, too. It was probably the best free to play experience I have ever had in a game.

[@AnimePrincessist]

the most fun i've had in shadowlands before quitting in 9.1, was when me(DH) friend1(Mage) and friend2(Priest) did torghast together. I stacked the mawrat explosion power, mage got the mage table summons mawrats power and priest got the rat duplication when mindcontrolling power. we oneshot the bosses after a few minutes of prep every time due to how many mawrats were exploding at once

[@guffeluffe5987]

Says a lot about the state of the game that the most fun is killing pre scripted NPC's

[@davidlazerz8564]

@@guffeluffe5987 uhhhh...thats pretty much every PvE game lol. What says a lot about the state of the game is devs making even more timewasting grindy borrowed power systems one patch after they "pulled the ripcord" on another timewasting grindy borrowed power system.

[@SianyaD]

It's a good game now. It was s rough start.

[@guffeluffe5987]

@@davidlazerz8564 Yeah and the fact that PvE is the only content left in the game shows how much it sucks. I used to play the game to hang out with my friends, duel, gank horde, world pvp, arenas, BG's everything fun. And that's 100% dead. Now the game is only for carebears who wanna sit and do math equations to kill pre scriped events that a 9 year old could do.

[@vahidfarahani5142]

How long it took for it being repetitive and boring. Running in massive empty halls. And sometimes you jist don't get a good perk.

[@veganchris2923]

In ff you get it immediately after you finish a zone. So you can fly in areas before you even finish EW.

[@JackgarPrime]

Well you still have to find the currents on the map, but they're usually pretty easy to track down.

[@veganchris2923]

@@JackgarPrime they literally give you a compass to guide you straight to them. 🤣

[@tlamy1992]

Technically you need to do something like 3 side quests per zone but they each take like five minutes, so yeah. I've only played FFXIV, not WoW, and I can't believe how ridiculous flying seems to be in that game

[@veganchris2923]

@@tlamy1992 I mean, yeah… but some of the side quests are literally the MSQ.

[@tlamy1992]

@@veganchris2923 some of them, yeah, but the others aren't. Iirc, there are something like 6 quests you need to complete in each zone to unlock flying and half of them are MSQ. Not disagreeing with you at all, but if someone is exclusively doing MSQ they will not unlock flying

[@JayRhea]

Meanwhile in FFXIV, you unlock flying by just... surprise... exploring the zone and completing 5 zone quests. ETA to flying = less than a day

[@TheGoodColonel]

I mean you can unlock flying naturally as you do the MSQ without that much sidetracking. You don't need to specifically grind for it.

[@steveklass6823]

Considering the Athernet system as well, FF does everything it can to cut down on travel times. Imagine in WoW having the ability to teleport to any innkeeper for just some gold? Nope, you need to teleport to a main city, then fly to the area. Change zones can take 10-15 min at times Where the same quest in 14 takes moments.

[@Ybo111]

so?

[@KoNekoNoUta]

I still think wow is better, whatever point you try to make. - all wow player

[@WanderingVtuber]

literally unlocked flying in 4 days after taking 3 to finish endwalker xD (granted i couldve done it while going through the zones but i was too captivated by the msq)

[@anthonynishiyama4005]

I really wish they had used this as an opportunity to bring archaeology back in a cool way to speed up the process / fill in the lore gaps of the first ones and all the other things missing in the story.

[@bryanadkins6776]

I have an idea for earning flying next expansion, there can be these green energy nodes from wind elementals spread throughout the map, we can call them aero-nodes. Players can detect these nodes via the use of an aero-sextant.

[@c4000121]

wow thats a great idea I wonder if any other game has done it before.

[@francisforgues8464]

Maybe you can add some of the special current are behind quest that maybe bring player to the zone or dungeon. Never see that in any other game

[@Frothmeister]

@@francisforgues8464 perhaps some sort of Aero-Node Compass to help direct you to the Aero-Nodes

[@lootmaster1337]

Nah that seems way to fast. Lets lock each aero node behind a quest that is timelocked to a 2 week event

[@Aefweard]

@@lootmaster1337 you also need to be exalted with each relevant faction per fragment. And then buy the seeker for about 160k gold, which you need a new one from each faction.

[@Skirrrbyseadog]

Blizzard: The most alien zone we've made. Also Blizzard: Adds Weeping Willows, basically.

[@itztehendd]

Flying should be a simple gold spend of just put it behind the story if you're that hell bent on stopping people from having fun. Just say for the main Xpacs you must complete all main story lines and for the patches, complete the intro quests into the zones.

[@omgwtfbbqkitty]

Flying is essentially unlocked day 1 of a ffxiv expansion. Just have to do the msq and find all the aether currents. Had it all unlocked in 4 days of just playing the game.

[@assassin93]

You can literally get flying for a zone as soon as you turn in the zones final msq

[@yoricade]

@@assassin93 This is how it was for me, just grabbed the currents on the go because they were pretty much wherever the main story quests took you, side quests too took me like 5 minutes each at most, got flying the moment i handed in the last msq quest of the zone every single time

[@k2k4]

I remember when I first unlocked flying. It wasn't very good until I got the faster flying. Then blizzard locked it again every expansion after that and added a new more complex list of requirements each time. Every time I get more mad about it. Imagine unlocking flying 7 times.

[@noogie9700]

The zone looks like a particularly flat portion of Val'Sharah

[@alexandermiller4438]

It took me an hour or so after I finished the endwalker MSQ to finish unlocking flying in every zone.

[@SuperLifestream]

"This place is so empty" .. yeah, o remember going through places like Feralis when I played 10+ years ago. Having to watch all the bear/shaman/yeti pathfind and dodging them because there was so many

[@dylanfarris7647]

I think BFA & SL have shown that Blizzard honestly does not care to try and make WoW good anymore. They are just riding the passive money train as hard as possible from all the people who wont quit no matter how bad things get.

[@cibinomin6540]

wait only those 2 expansion showed blizzard not giving a fuck? pretty sure theres more

[@drnerdrage2535]

How is being anti-wow even an insult at this point. I 100% want the game to fail because I truly thin it will take a massive collapse for any meaningful changes to be made. A lot of people will need to lose their jobs before WoW subscribers are treated like part of a community and not like pay pigs.

[@spiritofthewolf1880]

I’m 100% behind this. WoW needs a massive collapse. Nothing has really changed because so many people still play this garbage. It would also give other MMOs a chance to grow. Imagine a world without WoW… A man can dream.

[@cibinomin6540]

not gonna happen since smoothbrains are still paying and defending their favorite company while getting pegged every expansion

[@WhipLash42o]

@@cibinomin6540 True, wow devs could skull fuck their mothers and they'd be like "OMG THANK YOU BASED WOW DEVS!!!" the smoothbrains are on industrial strength copium.

[@cibinomin6540]

@@WhipLash42o need more strong opinions like yours. too many people still hoping and acting like this is fine

[@WhipLash42o]

@@cibinomin6540 No its definitely not fine, the wow dev team is blatantly aware how far they can push their playerbase. There are times sure where the playerbase lashes out, but the actual people who feel they have "invested too much time" to quit are willing to take any brutal beating from the dev team and just laugh it off while defending the dev team. It's pathetic, and the stockholme syndrome is honestly disgusting. I get the players can like the game, and thats fine, but at least be honest and realize that you're getting taken for a fucking ride lmao.

[@TheTobiasandersen95]

"commit to deligent farming" Yup, it's officially a 2nd job, lol - so you can work after your work \o/

[@RazanaArcclaw]

wanna point out its not "deligent farming" just doing stuff, ANYTHING i nthe zone gets you the resources needed, killing rares, doing quests, looting treasures, all of these give the resource, and you can rather easily get the amount you need, and farm as much of it as you want per day.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

@@Lancun 17 days is not "nearly a month" and if you dont want to wake up late at night to do research it only takes 19 days. you only save 2 days by doing the research the second it ends, and reminder we are awake 2/3rds of the day, so 2/3 times the research finishes you will be awake to start the next.

[@Rhob81]

@@Lancun It's just because there are still people that justify and defend this toxic and utterly disgraceful design that they keep doing it, and this is why WoW is a lost cause. I quit last autumn after being subbed since vanilla and not even considering looking back.

[@TheTobiasandersen95]

@@RazanaArcclaw His words, not mine, lol

[@RazanaArcclaw]

@@Lancun except it is 17 days, you know how i know? cause i got it, i was the first to get it on the PTR, its 17 days. the "over 20 days" is wrong.

[@papermarkis]

Coming from FFXIV why does this sound like a relic weapon grind lol

[@koxyvideos]

I love these videos. I think adding twitch chat on the screen tho could make it even more fun to watch :)

[@Sherolox]

If I remember correctly, there were a few videos at least that had the chat on the bottom right side. But I don’t know what happened with that.

[@peterpawn1352]

and then you are allowed to fly in a zone, that you already farmed for more than 3 weeks. nice !

[@Genju89]

thats the stupidest thing about unlocking flying this way. It does not enhance the gameplay, because after you have unlocked it, you are already done with the zone. Flying needs to be part of the zone design, like stormpeaks in wotlk.

[@Goremize]

@@Genju89 Or just play a better mmo like ff14 or gw2 :)

[@Zakharon]

As a FF14 player it feels good that I have never seen such a bs menu in my game for anything let alone flying, 14 is the gold standard now. Want to fly? You can get it in like less than an hour after completing a zone story day 1 of an expansion release.

[@amiablereaper]

Yeah while the first two zones as always "split" so you can't access every current on your first visit, every zone after that I can comfortably get flying *while doing the zone story*

[@Goremize]

Honestly I couldn't play an mmo without a type of flying now, GW2 so used to being able to glide without a mount, or mount for special flight that requires input for the best movements. Meanwhile WoW double gates it behind a new grind every time? Why? Other mmo's are doing it SO much better.

[@Dani_Krossing]

Yeah... It really makes you wonder how a MMO that require expansion purchase + subscription, can get away with "pay to win (with extra steps)" using the WoW Token, and mobile freemium content... 😕 What exactly is our money going to, if not actual worthwhile content? 😅 The whole reason behind locking a MMO behind a subscription, is so we DON'T have this type of "content" in our game...

[@snarky4lyfe144]

Blizzard " we hear you , our players , and we are listening " Players " are you really though? cuz it seems like you skim over OUR ideas and CHOOSE the ideas that are the worst ever " been a player for 17 years and only had one tiny adjustment heard , the icon upon log in to let you know which toons have mail . and i know it wasn't just my idea . wish they would listen to ALL their players and NOT just new players , i know some older players that have some great ideas .

[@ecyor0]

You ain't thinking like a CEO. The downside is that the subscription model puts an upper limit on how much money you can make per player. Your profits can only ever be "player base x $15 per month". Microtransactions though? oooh, there's theoretically no upper limit to how much money you can make.

[@spookyfish24]

Dude, I was excited for Torghast.. until it became a mandatory weekly grind - like every other feature they have put into the game. RIP.

[@aspannas]

Same it was quite fun the first time doing the levels but then it very quickly became a job and a chore to do, like many other things in the game

[@kratos13254]

I, like most people in these comments more than likely, have played WoW for a very long time. After spending 1 month playing FFXIV, it’s clear as day how much more the devs care about and respect the players time. They make it an enjoyable experience from start to finish, and you WANT to play more. Playing alts is FUN. WoW has just lost all luster it ever had to me. Whether it be the higher ups dictating the free-to-play model, or its truly how the current dev team feels, who knows. But it’s soulless. I still raid in TBC, but mostly due to the fact that it isn’t subject to current design philosophy. It’s not perfect, but it’s a way to play with friends without all this stupid shit. We all memed about “this will be the wow killer”. WoW was the WoW killer. F

[@jac1897]

Nice , make sure you don't talk about things they dont like or bye bye account :)

[@xenomemphate]

@@jac1897 Don't break TOS, don't worry about your account. It isn't hard.

[@malonysaintpierre1599]

@@jac1897 what kind of things? shitting on other people when u shouldn't? being a prick? ruining someone's experience in the game? yea, just common things to do to get banned, sure

[@kratos13254]

@Pop Gligor I still giggle about how deadly they make the maw sound the first time you zone in to it. INESCAPABLE. NO SOUL HAS EVER LEFT THE JAILERS DOMAIN “Clicks Astral Recall” Nice

[@andrewshandle]

"The call is coming from inside the house! It's the Wowkiller!" ;)

[@cptnknusper2246]

I thought I was cynical and jaded in face of everything WoW. But looking at Preach humbled and taught me I have a long way to go. Teach me oh wise man from Manchester!

[@kampfh7150]

"We want our players to be commited to the task they set themselves" Commit deez nuts, Bliz

[@Shaderox]

Wow: we're making a alien zone! Grassy fields and water you can walk on. FF: We're making something "alien": Change the sound direction for the entire region and everything in it and possibly UI elements for the creatures in it too if appropriate. Also you know, actually makes things different from previous places we've visited.

[@zephyr8072]

Blizzard: “Are we so out of touch? No. It’s the players who are wrong.”

[@dudewhateverish]

I just built a new computer this weekend. For the first time in many years I didn't install WOW on it.

[@joshlyman7059]

i already unlocked it once, why the FUCK do i need to do it again in teh same expansion? fuck shadowlands man

[@markj.a351]

Most alien zone? I’m more and more convinced these guys have never even played this game.

[@Architectofawesome]

Bobby needs a new beach bar on his island where he parks the yachts LETS GO BOYS!

[@Shiirow]

Require to do the entire zone, every drop of content and when theres fuck all to do "Here's flying, congratulations". Like an empty pie tin after a huge disappointing meal. "And that is how we arrived at our time honored modus operandi." - Blizzard, probably. Player : "What must we do." Blizzard : "Everything."

[@ahtuno]

Sad that content creators that are still loyal to wow are forced to compromise with a clearly awful system instead of like Mike said, getting angry and calling it bullshit, because it really is. Wow players have gotten too passive and I feel like the only ones left playing are the beaten wives that just simply cant leave or think there's anything left salvaging.

[@LockeNarshe]

Depends on your outlook. My friends and I think other MMOs are certainly better quality these days, but we all have established WoW characters already so we just find ways to have fun together, rather than everyone shifting over to someone else and potentially losing a few of the crew. It's more about the people we play with, less about the game itself.

[@natebroadus8474]

@@LockeNarshe well he did say "beaten wives."😋 Sometimes they stay for the children, or some other reason to justify putting up with the abuse. It's just sad to watch, man.

[@cody2856]

How is a bunch of small power increases in zereth mortis and through conduits/soulbinds any different than the old vanilla talent trees? Weren't those redesigned to be more impactful? Yet we've been bombarded with borrowed power systems that, at a base level, are extremely similar to old talent trees.

[@Dethfeast]

I look forward to Preach taking on diligent farming to play WoW again.

[@moochu2]

We are regrinding the same thing each patch and it's atrocious. It used to just be a new set of gear each patch. Now we have to grind flying, conduits, legendaries, gem slots, and M+ score.

[@jamesdixon6903]

And M+ gear....the exact same items but 20 ilvl higher

[@Chrine]

Watching this as im flying around FFXIV farming legendary nodes to make some gear to make some gil. lol poor Soul... he really doesn't want to give up.

[@op4000exe]

I imagine this literally (and stupidly) just being about making sure people stay subbed for more than a month.

[@framinthor]

this is probably the funniest preach video i've seen

[@MrElpizo1982]

You know what really chaffs my buttocks? Everyone, even if they don't want to admit it to themselves KNOWS why this is such a pissant grind: To keep you subbed. I'm waiting to see the next expansion, if I don't like what I see I walk away for good & FFXIV is 'it' (My 'other game' is Destiny 2), but right now I'm not holding my breath, stuff like this really doesn't inspire confidence...

[@Mattafang]

This is what i like about eso, no flying. You have way shrines, which once you go to it physically in the world, you can tp to for free or for gold.

[@jplayer073]

Knowing Blizzard, they'd make you grind for area-specific tokens to be able to research a specific wayshrine, which takes days.

[@NeguraGhost]

"Assuming you commit to diligent farming, you're going to unlock perks on an almost daily basis." is my new absolute favorite copium quote. xD

[@georgisaksson7500]

that face, when he sees the research console :) just golden ;)

[@AmorphousOoze]

I don't particularly like WoW as, from experience, groups are very picky about how and what you play, but I adore Rogue-Likes and prefer solo content, so when Torghast got shown off I couldn't shut up about it to my friends. I was so exited that WoW had something I could enjoy and I assumed it wouldn't become old content as it kept scaling in difficulty, so I was very ready to level every single class and pay monthly solely for Torghast. Then it just slowly got worse towards release and I didn't realise at the time they'd removed the infinite floor thing, so it was tragically disappointing when me and a friend got into it excited to at least get stupid powerful, only to find out it just wasn't there, how slow and less built you got in the 8 or however many floors we had. Torghast is all I want in an MMORPG and I was so close to getting it, I do love FFXIVs PotD and HoH, but they're not the same, hopefully they can do something similar to Torghast in the future.

[@cibinomin6540]

hope is the last word you should use when it comes to blizzard. sorry to shatter your dream kid

[@AmorphousOoze]

@@cibinomin6540 I meant hopefully FFXIV can get a Torghast-like experience in the future.

[@cibinomin6540]

@@AmorphousOoze hope youll get that one day

[@joea3238]

It seems like Blizz had had a bunch of transfers from King. Like there are a bunch of devs with a bunch of mobile game backgrounds and they think taking finish timers and all that are just a part of how games work.

[@tyty8484]

Imagine designing your game mechanics for the most casual 3-head mutants and all your content for the sweatiest MLG Korean grinders.

[@TheMeanAdmin]

8:32 When I went into Shadowlands on day 1 as Havoc DH - I felt nothing like scourge of the land and more like that time I was going to 1000 Needles and ended up in Feralas by accident as my first druid back in 2004. I actually enjoyed the challenge for a while, but then I got bored of fighting trash like they were elites and dealing with elites like I was soloing a boss. Now when I rolled my first DK, back when Blood was DPS spec...

[@carthage10]

But if we have flying we can’t enjoy the water we mysteriously walk on…in a fantasy game….with already available water walking…

[@stuartnewman6968]

These are worth watching just for preaches reaction. Totally honest and and upfront.

[@kylesechrist]

The first expansion ever where we unlock flying TWICE! YYYAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!

[@jere9915]

in BfA we did it twice , would been 3 times but they decided to make 8.3 patch in old zones that existed.

[@kylesechrist]

@@jere9915 Oh yeah, thats right. Still though I see shit like this and I go welp, looks like I am not flying in this patch...

[@jere9915]

@@kylesechrist u do nothing with flying anyway , u can teleport literally everywhere ... flying should be disabled

[@Smrt927]

Blizz devs live in Anaheim, CA. A field *is* the most alien thing they can think of!

[@jonathon9581]

Me: Watches this video while running daily Praetorium. Also me: Yep, this is why I haven't subbed to wow in a year, and I don't miss it one bit.

[@gscgold]

A little over two and a half months ago I logged in for the first time since the beginning of shadowlands and I got my character all caught up, I did as far as I could go in the main storyline whatever the covenant stuff and whatever and I got flying and then I logged out and uninstalled the game about a month ago and I don't plan on playing until the very end of shadowlands I think I made it really good decision on that

[@crimsonpotemkin]

Not to make this about WoW vs FF14, which seems to happen when talking about Wow (you kinda need a frame of reference to judge something properly), but even if I quit ff14 today, after endwalker, I'll feel content, because I got a good story out of my time with the game and that feeling of satisfaction will stay with me. Among the make complaints I've heard about WoW is one about the story being bad. Really puts into perspective how important the RPG part is in an mmorpg.

[@aeo-gard]

Honestly what's even worse than the story being bad, which sucks but could almost be dismissed since people often play for the gameplay, is that systems like this will come in for a patch or two, lock something behind it that players want. Then people will farm it out, exhaustively, and by the time they get the thing to make things fun they already spent weeks or months farming and they're burnt out And by the time the next content rolls out, the system is tossed into the garbage and literally will not be relevant at all again and sometimes is taken out of the game entirely, making the feeling of wasting your time even WORSE 😭😭

[@janetrajkoski1424]

Double legendaries are gated behind rep which you farm via dailies. That you unlock faster by unlocking dailies with this system. Not directly related to double legendaries, but related anyway. Also, the achievement you get for the flying its character specific (doesnt have the blue title that account wide achievements have).

[@shiroikami2690]

Not gonna lie, seeing stuff like this does not make me miss WoW in the slightest. It feels like they've really just given up on WoW as a real MMO and are turning it into a standard mobile MMO app. Endless grinding and no real content.

[@sgt391]

This is the realization that made me stop some months ago

[@shiroikami2690]

@@sgt391 It was a big part of why I stopped playing just after Castle Nathria released. The app grind-style content just made it that much easier to quit.

[@driiifter]

How to Unlock Fun in WoW 9.2: Do this, do this, do this, do this, do this and this, do this, wait a little, do this, wait, do this, wait, do this, wait, now fun, I mean flying is unlocked.

[@Shaman409]

What are the chances the final time to unlock flying is something like 33 days or something? Just to milk an extra month out of you.

[@juliacorinnaalice8124]

This time thing, with them starting at a few minutes and going up to hours, reminds me of Farmville

[@BuzzzdLightyear]

I don't know about y'all, but I'm feeling real good about not being invested in this shit show anymore.

[@Sithalos]

I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this video...

[@ryan1mcq]

It's absolutely ridiculous you have to unlock flying for the second time in an expansion, its fucking brutal and unnecessary. Its another big fuck you hoop for the players to jump through. When you reach max level of an expansion you should be able to fly, not wait till halfway through the expansion for the privilege.

[@norfy]

That zone looks like Bastion crashed into Azsuna

[@SleepyFen]

It seems Blizzard would rather milk the game's remaining player base and bleed the game dry than fix the things that made players leave in the first place. Why make the game better when you can just ("hopefully") get people to play for longer by artificially stretching out the content to last twice as long or more with time gates. And now that they've basically retconned all of Sylvanas's character progression and autonomy out of existence, they've made it impossible to care about the story, killing the last thing that a casual player might have cared about. This is what total lack of direction and creative through-line looks like. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that, with each new expansion, the entire staff is swapped out for a fresh team of people with their own ideas and zero willingness to respect what came before.

[@Swooncraft]

"Just looks like a field" killed me lmao

[@ohinianahiuhki9088]

Commit to diligent farming, LMFAO. I've been playing OSRS and LOVING IT, ffs, grindiest shit ever, but goddamn it feels good to advance your skills.

[@jere9915]

True , ppl who whine here dont even have idea what real grind is :D... osrs is real grind

[@aeo-gard]

Legit my favorite part of ffxiv is crafting and gathering and even going for the super grindy achievements involving those But I ironically never feel like my time is wasted and I always feel good about the time I spent

[@ColoxrI]

I unlocked flying in FFXIV while doing the MSQ. The aether currents are usually along the way or nearby your NPCs, so once you reach the end of a zone's MSQ, you pretty much would have that zone's flying unlocked.

[@andrewshandle]

Flying is account wide, but you have to finish the entire achievement on one character only (which you probably would do anyway), but you need to farm up currency/spend time if you want the bonus traits on each alt which is...weird.

[@BearPawSwipe]

I think you meant to say predictable! :D

[@Slania227]

i like how everyone reacts to soul now because hes the only content creator left that does day to day coverage

[@Slania227]

@Bukkie661 preach never said that.

[@Netsuko]

It hurts so much to see a game I love fall apart like that. All the feedback, all the wishes.. ignored. I really do wonder if it is the toxic minority that makes the devs not listen. Someone on reddit recently posted about how Yoshi P asked the (most likely japanese) playerbase to not attack the devs. You could see how Ion got standoffish when Mike asked some tougher questions in a professional manner. I think at this point, blizzard's devs are just so done with it all. There's no passion, no love left in it and it shows.

[@DuckofFail]

"The most alien zone ever added to WoW..." You mean Suramar knocked-up TBC Nagrand, and they dressed the baby in an Ashenvale onesie...

[@OrynKage]

Can blizzard please stop having ingenious ideas like this..... I'm really sick of my high ffxiv queue times and ideas like this won't help