Preacher S04E10 - Jesse asks God questions

Jesse asks some questions, and God doesn't really give anything interesting, he seems to only want his Love, although he has bitten out Jesse's eye, sounds like a stupid thing.. This God seems schizophrenic. Would you love a God who caused you so much misery and suffering? of course not.

[@silverkitty2503]

god is not some fairy godmother saying yes or no ..god is all of us being good to each other ..that is god ..its here on earth now in us ..its the eternal flame of kindness ...its virtual hugs to all xx

[@lopolik]

Reminds me of the song Eternal Flame from The Bangles, I love that song. :)

[@user-ns2ku3zz7p]

yes, true god, nut not yahweh/allah..

[@thelunaticfrenzy2957]

@@user-ns2ku3zz7p And what if Yahweh Wanted that all along? I mean I study religion...I know it...Some may even call me a Witness of it...And all I see is a bunch of children getting the rules of the sandbox wrong, breaking each others castles and then blaming dad on it. If you would allow me to add this...yeshua Son of Yahweh said this...I give you a final commandment, Love God with all your heart and soul and Essence....And Love one another as God loves you. Reguardless of flaws...Now that doesnt mean give ppl a free pass or ignore their sin no...It means hold them accountable by helping them over come it...You place drug addicts in jail..Ignoring their PTSD, their pain and their suffering. You enlist men and women to fight in wars but when they come back you allow them to spend their nights alone...vulnerable, sleeping in filth...You little creatures get so much wrong...And you Blame God for it...helll you blame the devil for it...The devil made me beat my wife, rape my children...Kill my mother...Just like so many ppl say Trump told us to storm the capitol building LMAO!....Commen sense and love can be mastered by infants...Whats humanities excuse against their witness and their God.....We have none...Play nice children...Because unlike dad I do not mind breaking the sandbox...I have mercy but not unending mercy LOL!....But who cares what I say...ppl only care when there is a spinning tornado of fire...A Hurricane dropping water from the ocean on the city.....A mysterious cold front that forces you to work together....Sad how even in all that the only thing we as humans know how to do....Is prey on another...Even the oppressed become oppressors because none of us...know what love truly means. Love means never having to say sorry, but still asking for forgiveness.

[@user-ns2ku3zz7p]

@@thelunaticfrenzy2957 Your dumb violent imaginary friend named Abrahamic Judeo-Christian-Islamic god Yahweh/Allah created humans in his own image, they're all just reflections of all his flaws. Blame god is okay, he blames all his so-called creations for everything bad and goes wrong when in reality he's the one who created them all, blame others for his own mistakes and faults. He's the true oppressor and cruelest tyrant. This god is as bad as human and all other Gods from other mythologies. Well, everybody thinks Devil is the source of all evil, and it is not true. Even the Bible says ''I am the LORD, I make peace, and create evil.'' God created evil, not Lucifer. He's the true source of all sufferings and evil.. So here you go. Is he want God's throne? Bruh. You know the winners can screwed up write anything history. I don't care. I don't worshipping your tyrannical god Yahweh/Allah. I and this KZbin channel know a lot of your so-called holy books Bible and Quran, and it's suck. Get out of my comment. Satan is just a title, and he's god's puppet. Lucifer Satan and Serpent aren't one and the same. *Your God technically is Satan himself.*

[@user-ns2ku3zz7p]

@@thelunaticfrenzy2957 Time to enlightened you blind faith follower. *The Serpent: Enemy of Man, Or Enlightener Of Man?* - Introduction: What proper way to start off a blog dealing in Gnosticism than in the beginning…the beginning according to biblical tradition that is. Let’s discuss a major figure within the first few chapters of Genesis, *the Serpent.* According to the traditional Christian thought, Adam and Eve were created by a god named Yahweh (often translated as LORD, Adonai, or Jehovah, Allah) who placed them in a garden and told them that they could eat from every tree and plant in the garden, except the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. The Serpent then appears in the garden and supposedly so-called tempts Eve into eating from the Tree of Knowledge. Eve then goes to Adam and gives him the fruit to eat as well. Yahweh later becomes aware of this and banishes the couple from the garden. He also then curses the Serpent and declares it an enemy. Because of this, many refer to the Serpent as Satan or Lucifer. However, Genesis never refers to the Serpent as either title. Becoming Satan: The identification of the Serpent as Satan or Lucifer comes from established Christian theology. Christians believe that Satan was once an angel named Lucifer who rebelled against Yahweh and was thrown out of heaven. This theology usually begins with the verse Isaiah 14:12-14: *“HOW ART THOU FALLEN FROM HEAVEN, O LUCIFER, SON OF THE MORNING! HOW ART THOU CUT DOWN TO THE GROUND, WHICH DIDST WEAKEN THE NATIONS! FOR THOU HAST SAID IN THINE HEART, I WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN, I WILL EXALT MY THRONE ABOVE THE STARS OF GOD: I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION, IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH: I WILL ASCEND ABOVE THE HEIGHTS OF THE CLOUDS; I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH.”* A verse from the New Testament Luke 10:18 also reinforces this idea: *“AND HE SAID UNTO THEM, I BEHELD SATAN AS LIGHTNING FALL FROM HEAVEN.”* Then finally this verse ties Lucifer, Satan, and the Serpent together, Revelation 12:9: *“AND THE GREAT DRAGON WAS CAST OUT, THAT OLD SERPENT, CALLED THE DEVIL, AND SATAN, WHICH DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD: HE WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM.”* At first it may seem justifiable to uphold the Christian theology when picking out and isolating these verses alone. However when you go and study these verses within their source material, their original context differs from the established theology. The very first thing that must be understood is these verses all come from three separate books within the Bible. One verse comes from the Old Testament section while the other two come from the New Testament. That means they were all written at different times in history by different authors. They had never met each other and historically would have had different world views. For example, the Isaiah verse within the Old Testament is a Jewish text. Looking into the Jewish theology concerning that verse reveals it is not referring to Satan or a fallen angel. Rather, it is referring to a man, an unnamed king of Babylon. This becomes apparent when you continue reading the verses that follow - Isaiah 14:15-17: *“YET THOU SHALT BE BROUGHT DOWN TO HELL, TO THE SIDES OF THE PIT. THEY THAT SEE THEE SHALL NARROWLY LOOK UPON THEE, AND CONSIDER THEE, SAYING, IS THIS THE MAN THAT MADE THE EARTH TO TREMBLE, THAT DID SHAKE KINGDOMS; THAT MADE THE WORLD AS A WILDERNESS, AND DESTROYED THE CITIES THEREOF; THAT OPENED NOT THE HOUSE OF HIS PRISONERS?”* Jewish tradition has a concept of Satan, but it is not an absolute evil or the enemy of god. The original Hebrew term, שָּׂטָן‎ “satan”, is a noun from a verb meaning to, “obstruct, oppose”. Numbers 22:22, 1 Samuel 29:4, and Psalms 109:6 are examples of such. Ha-Satan most often translates as “the accuser,” or “the adversary”. The definite article “ha” (which is the English “the”) shows this is a title, versus a name.

[@LoudaroundLincoln]

You don't ask for love. People either have it for you or they don't. I'll take real hate over fake love any day.

[@lordthetir]

If you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and raised to life on the third day, you will be saved. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 🙏🏽✝️❤️

[@jaimeruiz521]

@tarasrakya8414 idk about hating me. Not because I care about what ppl think of me, but because hatred is a poison. It would make me sad that someone has that much hate for me that it slowly Killing them.

[@EmptyMan000]

@@jaimeruiz521 Honestly your second statement is a contradiction. If you didn't care what people thought of you, you wouldn't care or feel sad whether someone hated you or not. People like you who claim to care about such things, actually just take offense to someone hating YOU rather than anyone hating at all, bruised egos and all.

[@jaimeruiz521]

@@EmptyMan000 you can pitty someone. Without letting what they think about you affect your outlook on life. Nothing contradictory about that.

[@starsiegeRoks]

​@@EmptyMan000your comment is an example of how hate poisons. They were talking genuinely, and you had to be condescending and accusatory, making them out to be the bad person. But your logic makes you pure right? No, the bitterness seeps through.

[@XtraLateNightVisitor]

1:22 "Is my Dad in Heaven?" Pulled on my heartstrings there

[@lopolik]

yeah.. the only good thing this God did was sending his dad to heaven.

[@aaronmeade5435]

Even though Gods a megalomaniac you can tell he has a small soft spot for decent people

[@clamantstone]

If you noticed Jesse never actually said that he loved god he avoided the question, I think that tells you all you need to know

[@lopolik]

dude, God literally bite out his fucking eye.. Would you love a God who did that to you? I Would hate him, and I hate God even he didn't do it to me, because life is hell.

[@redcowcat8705]

@@lopolik true THAT

[@gustavosandoval8044]

@@lopolik why

[@beyonderssupreme]

@@lopolik I found a logical sane person right here that not got brainwashed like christians 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@lopolik]

@@beyonderssupreme Yea I mean I didn't grow up being a Christian, in an atheist country, however I studied the bible, more than most people, I read it many times (at least 10 times) And I have debated a lot of Christians throughout my life, and they all seem brainwashed from the church and stuff, but if you ask them hard questions, they struggle to answer, or justify the evils and sufferings that the biblical God has and is directly causing, yeah not many people know those bible verse...

[@18wolfspirit]

Jesse Custer was a good man at heart yet he struggled with the darkness in his heart. Same as all of us have to every single day. It was pleasing to see him die in peace as a loving father and husband.

[@printingwithlue4310]

I dont struggle with darkness. I embrace it. You... are just a simp.

[@idiotflower]

Wait a minute... he became a father and a husband?

[@biteme13]

This show is so amazing and such a gift. Not all may agree and that's more than fine, I would hate for us all to like the exact same things. (What a boring world that would make) I'm thankful for being able to experience what was made by so many who brought this to reality. Thank you cast, crew, and anyone who gave the show a chance, love it or hate it.

[@majormohitsharma7701]

Yea people are gonna love it or hate it but they pretty much know that people would eventually like it because the haters of christian God are found across the globe. So not really some believer's gonna threaten the workers in this series. But imagine doing this with islamic prophet. They can't even leave their home and people boycotting them for life. They don't have the guts to do it.

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

Like the Emperor in Warhammer 40k he may have "loved" humanity but he didn't understand them. So powerful, and yet so far removed from limitation for so long that he quite simply doesn't know what right/wrong is. A dark irony to this scene though is that Jesse is still a terrible person despite God also being egotistical.

[@lopolik]

Jesse had perfect balance of good and evil in his soul, so he was kinda in the middle.

[@lopolik]

I felt like we can relate to Jesse quite a lot during the show, which cannot be said about a lot of the other characters, that's why in my opinion he was not a bad person at all, but he was no saint either he still did evil stuff, but that makes him more relatable.

[@bobdylan1968]

Jessie was not a terrible person? The whole point was that he was a person. Just a person. No better, no worse. The whole "equal parts capable of great love and great wrath".

[@lopolik]

@@bobdylan1968 Yes I know. I was referring to how in the show it was shown that Jesse received the ''Genesis Power'' because he had a perfect balance of good and evil in him, I think I remember it was said in the show. But I agree with you, that statement is correct.

[@survivalinthezombieapocaly2142]

@@lopolik maybe, maybe

[@k.g.7591]

In sects of Gnosticism, it is believed that the god of the material world is stupid, false and cruel. He hides the fact that there are other gods from us and demands to be worshipped and loved out of an addictive need for it.

[@Terralventhe]

It's also because the Demiurge, while in fact being the creator of the world and of Man, is not the True God. Other gods are equally as immaterial as the Demiurge, of course, but the True God exists beyond all of this.

[@seiboldtadelbertsmiter3735]

I heard someone describe the Christian god as being Loki the Trickster and that everything is all just a joke he is playing on us.

[@conscientiousobjector5988]

Ever notice whenever this "God" is having expressions of love, empathy, or noble virtue he does so while shaking his head "no?" He nods "yes" when he saying suffering is a teacher though. Such a classic narcassist. Think they should have kept the dog suit on him though. More mystique that way.

[@uwillnevahno6837]

i gave you free will, to love me as both my divine plan and narcissism demand

[@bedlams9594]

Literally the god of the Bible lol. Just a narcissist

[@zxt5148]

"Narcissim". You're projecting your own feelings

[@uwillnevahno6837]

@@zxt5148 oh?in what way?

[@zxt5148]

@@uwillnevahno6837 You're projecting narcissim and justifying it using a character from a TV show

[@uwillnevahno6837]

@@zxt5148 You seem to be incapable of reading comprehension and word definitions escape you.

[@ModeratelyAmused]

I'm cracking up at some of the comments. I can't help but feel that some never watched the show, are religious and think this puts God in a good light. That creation for the sake of being loved, is good. Holy Shit. Pun Intended.

[@lopolik]

yeah on my Preacher clip videos there is at least like 70% of comments from people that have never watched the show.. maybe even more. lol

[@Clockwork-XIII]

"A christian believes the bible an atheist understands the bible...."

[@ModeratelyAmused]

@@Clockwork-XIII Atheists are just as bad in their faith that no higher power exists as religious fanatics are that their religious texts are recorded history. Not "God." Not "Supreme Being" that "created" man and watches over. But an intelligent design force. That programmed life itself like humans are trying to do with AI.

[@Clockwork-XIII]

@@ModeratelyAmused Kinda lost the plot there towards the end didn't ya bud.

[@Clockwork-XIII]

@@ModeratelyAmused A big fan of the comics and a somewhat fan of the show flaws and changes all. You kinda missed the point if what you got out of it was there is a god he/she isn't a self loving narcissistic piece of garbage and we really don't need him or her. Hence the later part of that scene where Jesse gives up genesis as a kind of "F*** you" to the "creator". Basically you believe in god and especially in a good light you are a terrible person no ifs ands or buts. "I know we would all be better off without a needy little bitch like you around" ~Jesse Custard. yeah clip kinda cut off before the actual climax ha ha.

[@ntnt_p]

This show tackles an image of God that I've always held tightly when I was forced through Christian bible study as a kid. I viewed it as God is no better than a child yearning for praise and love. He essentially asks you to worship hip in exchange for favors and good fortune. That always rang more like a devil to me than a God. Like a flawed human, rather than a God. A true God is both certain of his worth and doesn't need others validation or worship. This is a message I wish that till this day I could convey to my Christian parents but it's no use, they're brainwashed by this idea that I was born of divine miracles etc etc.

[@devceropeolearw5441]

Get some help.

[@tommeytoo-me5255]

@@devceropeolearw5441 you’re using your human brain and ideals to define what an almighty being should be and how they should operate. That won’t work. It’s not exactly the same but that’s like an ant saying what a human being is and how they should be. How can an ant understand the human thought process? Can an ant tell you how you should be?

[@Ben-rz9cf]

Then it might make a bit of sense to you that some early christians considered the god of the old testament to be the demiurge, the false god who created the world at the behest of the infinite god pleroma who exists beyond the physical world of suffering. You're not the only one to think, hey maybe gods a dick...

[@Ben-rz9cf]

​@@tommeytoo-me5255your argument is invalid on a premise level. A human being with an ant brain is not something valued in society. If the only difference between a childish, petulant god and a childish petulant human with a god complex is the level of divinity, then you're not dealing with a higher level of consciousness, you're dealing with a lower one. If an ant were capable of reasoning with and communicating with us to say, stop trampling on their nests, it would be our duty as moral beings more powerful than them to heed that plea even if it interferes with our grand plan to bulldoze that field and build a shopping mall even if it comes from something we consider to be insignificant to us. Any higher tier of morality must fit into the same framework as the lower tiers, hypocrisy from humans is not tolerated so it ESPECIALLY shouldn't be tolerated from divine beings.

[@tommeytoo-me5255]

@@Ben-rz9cf You seem to have misunderstood my point . A human being with an ants brain? When did I suggest that, Where are you getting that from? The point was that its impossible for an ant to understand the mind of a human. Why would a human have an ants brain? Ok let’s use this example then. Let’s say there’s a being from a higher dimension out there somewhere,let’s say the 8th dimension . Would a two dimensional being perceive and understand reality the same? Would It be possible for a 2 dimensional being to understand the mind of an 8th dimensional one? Once again your view is through the lens of a human. Who says a higher being has the same “morality” systems as humans? That’s the point. You’re projecting your views and beliefs about how things should be done or how you would do them unto someone it’s impossible for you to understand. If a higher dimensional being sees though everything. time and space, etc. How is it possible to understand their decisions? For all you know they’re making decisions based on something that will happen 1000 years in the future. Once again, that’s the point. Imagine you’re playing 6d chess while someone who’s only ever played ping pong tries to guess your thoughts and chess strategies. Doesn’t make much sense huh?

[@Dim4323]

Also Wish Jessie would use the genesis power to tell God to give his eye back

[@lopolik]

Yeah I always wondered like why didn't he ask for that, I mean he could do that... He said he doesn't need the Genesis, but he could have used to genesis to tell God ''Give me back my eye!''

[@shadowofbosstown]

You don't understand jesse then

[@watertommyz]

​@@lopolik in the comics Jesse dies and gets resurrected by God with all injuries healed.

[@deadshot6554]

I think that I'm the only one who watched this show who feels pity for this God, I mean if you think about it he spend an eternity alone and in pain, he already suffered more pain than he ever caused, and that's why the Saint of killers killed him without torturing him, he knew god wasn't worth torturing since he is in a way "sin free" because he already paid for his actions before committing them, so ironically this God is "pure" while being the bad guy and the one who is responsible for all pain in existence

[@lopolik]

How do you know he spent it in pain? He's God, I would think he is immune to pain.

[@deadshot6554]

@@lopolik well he does seem to feel emotional pain, we saw him express emotions like anger and frustration

[@lopolik]

@@deadshot6554 yeah, that is true.. Well he was just like humans, only without the limitations and with all divine powers, he was still a dickhead and an asshole, even more so than humans.. or at least on the level of humans, as you know ''In the image of God'' so if humans are morons, God is too. lol

[@deadshot6554]

@@lopolik true

[@limitlesssky3050]

@@lopolik Humans are the created in the image of God. Asshole God creates asshole humans

[@Knightphall]

No life on other planets seems like an AWFUL waste of space. Maybe it's up to us to do the EVE Online approach and populate the rest of the galaxy.

[@levitan71]

i stake a claim on uranus :j

[@cyclonic8496]

That’d take billions of years to do. It’s almost impossible to even travel to our sister planets. Interstellar travel is probably not even possible with the galaxies constantly moving further and further from one another.

[@levitan71]

@@cyclonic8496 ill let ya know if i figure something out :j

[@Knightphall]

@@cyclonic8496 With our limited technology it is.

[@B.B.Digital_Forest]

Yeah, I don't buy it. There's bound to be something out there.

[@GordiansKnotHere]

Walter White and Jesse Pinkman in another Universe...

[@lopolik]

hahaha

[@beyonderssupreme]

I rewatch again and so enjoy , so much dumb logic for an creator, such as: - Bite off Jesse eye, no regenerate his eye, but still try to manipulate Jesse and others people's to love him, it is impossible - In a scene, he killed an guard to feed blood to Casidy brutally - Refused Jesse prayers, while he pray hard, but forced Jesse to say love back, another impossible task for Jesse - Torture people's with cancers, and still force people's to love him - Gave people's diseases and think it is fun and joy for them - Gave people's diseases and think it teaching them, or they just dead and learn nothing - Gave people's diseases and force them to ask for healing, what is the point of that??? > What an stupid things and pure evil things to do at an creator

[@bobdylan1968]

That's the point. God wanted to be able to do allllllll of that AND still be loved. He wanted true, unconditional, love. You see this directly in the scene with Abraham. Telling him to kill Gus own son just to see if he truly loved god above all else

[@chiancruz2038]

"Now it's your turn to say it back... say you love me." ...Yep... that sounds god to me, and I would answer him... "You know what god? I always believe there's a purpose for creating my middle finger. :)"

[@lopolik]

ahahah Good one, man!

[@user-ns2ku3zz7p]

Neo XD

[@lucien75]

But more importantly.. "Why does God.. need a space ship?"

[@Italkmadshitlol]

Ohhhhhh maaan youre SOOO FKN EDGY DUDE

[@SpideyVids]

The German guy and the things that kept happening to him cracked me up as did the nutcase clone of Jesus that the cult had captive in their mountain lair. And let's not forget God riding around in a black and white spotty dog suit.

[@DiegoMartinez-ur7gi]

I honestly recommend the books then the show. I like both and I do think it’s great story about what makes people good is religion nessary?

[@lopolik]

I still need to read the books, I didn't get to it yet.

[@jeremyinvictus]

Who decides what "good" is?

[@dashwhatchamakalit]

Well. This version of God is only slightly better'n the one in some of the earlier runs of Hellblazer... That one was messed up.

[@lopolik]

I haven't seen Hellblazer, is it good?

[@dashwhatchamakalit]

@@lopolik Very much so. Hellblazer has been one of my favorite comic series, and you get a much better understanding of John Constantine that from the Keanu flick. I definitely recommend.

[@lopolik]

@@dashwhatchamakalit thanks I will try to check it out soon man.

[@DiegoMartinez-ur7gi]

@@dashwhatchamakalit Garth Ennis wrote some of my favorite runs of hellblazer. Also didn’t god have marry get raped by an angel in hellblazer?

[@daganisoraan]

The real answer to everything (in the preacher universe at least)... god's just improvise as stuff comes up. Oh and he's a huge prick that wants to be loved.

[@lopolik]

That about sums it up.

[@jmr1068204]

This is one of the word depictions of God (that is - the God of the bible, Jehovah, YHWH, etc.) that I have ever seen.

[@ReaverLordTonus]

The truth is, we may never truly understand God and the answers we expect to get if we had the opportunity to ask him questions like this. God sees the bigger picture, and that's putting it mildly. He's infinite, sees all of existence at any and all time all at once. His perception of existence is way beyond our own. So to even think our contemporary human values are remotely in line with his is laughable. How we judge one another and ourselves may very well not be close to how god judges us. To him, devout or atheistic, straight or gay, christian or otherwise, etc. May mean nothing to him and what he looks for in people may be more basic.

[@acrosswater9041]

Or, hear me out : It's a made up belief

[@tombirmingham7033]

"kids with cancer" when i designed the complex organism i made a thing that grew. and in order for the new to replace the old there was a thing called apoptosis introduced. Now nothing is eternal but me and dna changes, those changes brought you about. sometimes those changes are bad sorry, you get cancer, you die, you go to heaven. Thems the breaks. The variation of your experiences quality is just part of the system. would you like to complain to me about all the animals you ate to sustain yourself? the bugs you killed for your amusement? the casual cruelty of the modern world?

[@beyonderssupreme]

No suffering definitely not a great teachers, not even in some cases, obviously this being who proclaim himself at an god, that constantly lying Jesse, he love to see people's suffered in pain, and he enjoyed, like The Man With Up Side Down Face, I just mentioned the same emotions both of them would love to enjoy most is high suffer. This being is lying and he definitely not Creator, not even in his own world. He have struggle in his explainations in his voices, it simply because he is lying.

[@HAILYAHALMIGHTY777]

Why does He hate me? Why am I cursed, to be hated forever by Him.

[@lopolik]

I don't know, but I also feel this way.

[@bigkendallas]

I'm a devout Bible believing Christian, and I also understand this is just a show. It's just meant to be entertaining and not taken seriously, so we should just enjoy the twists and turns , and frankly how ridiculous the story is. I don't think the writer was trying to make any kind of point, but experiment with a story that's different than what we've seen before. Don't get too serious guys, its just a show.

[@lopolik]

Exactly, this show has been recommended to me by a Bible believing Christian person as well, it's good to see someone like you here as well, with more open mind about this.

[@edgfwevwefedvreafv4974]

"I don't think the writer was trying to make any kind of point" I have trouble with this sentence. Now I do not know whether it is true or not, but I have a problem with people denying a work of art its meaning. It feel wrong somehow to me.

[@Xphyzeek]

Well, what are the key components of consciousness?

[@Duterasemis]

ligma and bofa

[@NathanHoff96]

Sentience, awareness, subjectivity, qualia, feeling, wakefulness, selfhood, and the executive control system of the mind. Thx wikipedia.

[@Markthewolf23]

For a few seconds I thought it was Steve carell

[@Jettraha]

The graphic novel is so much better, though I know that’s a cliche to say

[@larrycanupp411]

Small g only.

[@seansmith4660]

I’ll ask him what heaven is like

[@kennethborregaardrasmussen742]

"Kids with cancer?"

[@lopolik]

''suffering is a great teacher, it gives people strength. '' God is such a bastard.

[@kennethborregaardrasmussen742]

Word, if only God were the only one :)

[@KnowTheTruth2012]

​@@lopolik are you ready for the demons that are coming to eat your flesh? Sure, you are not? But they are around the corner, just waiting for the call, to hunt your flesh and send your soul to the place of their dark existence. Are you ready? Sure, you are not. While you breath you still have a chance to repent. Your godless, your useless proud existence is almost over. Just listen to the sound of sirens. They are your messengers of doom, the end of your fatuous pride and time to meet the reality.

[@lopolik]

@@KnowTheTruth2012 repent of what? I never did anything wrong, are you perfect? No. So don't judge me

[@lopolik]

@@KnowTheTruth2012 your existence is equally useless, you think you are better than me, or anyone else?

[@scottgarner1724]

Never has a series so totally missed the point of its source material.

[@CliffReynolds-kv2pb]

Right?

[@scottgarner1724]

@@CliffReynolds-kv2pb dam right!

[@kingofsouls8346]

For someone who has seen and read neither please explain

[@scottgarner1724]

@kingofsouls8346 Happy too. It's like someone else singing a cover of a really great song, but it's really badly done. All the notes are there, the tunes the same, but the beats off. For example, in the comic, Jessie and Tulip are madly in love. This love drives the story forward. Casssidy is a bastard but finds redemption. The supporting characters have more depth. Starr has a better arc, going from trying to save the world to ultimately dying piece by piece on revenge quest. In series, they spend too much time in one place, Jessie and Tulip have no chemistry , Cassidys relegated to a supporting character and God shows up too much. The only thing they got right was the Saint of Killers, but he gets nerfed for a good long while.

[@Russelshackleford]

Preach.

[@Jamie_Pritchard]

Probably the most accurate description of the Christian God I've ever seen. A narcissistic sociopath.

[@aekole2]

How deluded you might be and how you must have suffered to have been eld so astray. God gave his Son for our sins. God doesn't demand you to join him in heaven. You can walk the path to him or not it's your choice. You are given freedom. You are ALWAYS redeemable . There is no sin that you cannot be redeemed of if you truly repent. You could kill your whole family joke about it ,but if after years your understand your crime , you seek forgiveness because your soul now is torn apart,you will find it.

[@designatedpiledriver8216]

No aliens????

[@everydaychemistry6231]

I don't see an issue with his reasoning. If theres no such thing as pain and suffering there would be no such thing as happiness and health

[@Trollioli]

What would YOU ask God if you had the chance?

[@lopolik]

just ''Why''

[@mr.mediocregamer9653]

If humans can understand that if a woman gives birth in prison, that it would be ridiculous to pass her sentence on to her child, then how did God himself drop the ball so hard when it came to us and Adam and Eve? Why is all of humanity being cursed for the single sin of two people 99.99999999999999999% of us have never even met?

[@Italkmadshitlol]

​@@mr.mediocregamer9653try reading the fkn bible 🤷‍♂️

[@mr.mediocregamer9653]

@@Italkmadshitlol That's the problem. I did. You didn't address my question. Funny that.

[@Italkmadshitlol]

@@mr.mediocregamer9653 lol no you really didnt go be an edgy greaseball in your corner and seethe about it 🤭

[@pumpkinknight5732]

So... you couldn't find an old actor with a real beard, huh?

[@user-ns2ku3zz7p]

Suffering is you Yahweh, you causes them... This world is suffering, not heaven...

[@lopolik]

yeah very true

[@user-ns2ku3zz7p]

@@roachct9076 nope. I cry so much in the past that i have no longer tears to cried anymore. This world and cruelty I faced harden my heart already now...

[@lopolik]

@@user-ns2ku3zz7p yeah.. for me too, but I still cry sometimes. This life has no meaning.

[@lopolik]

@@roachct9076 I ain't a coward, never gonna kill my fucking self.

[@user-ns2ku3zz7p]

@@roachct9076 I had a mind enough not to kill myself, no matter how much suffering and pain in this world is, we need to had the strength and good encouragement to fight it, we need to be patient/tolerant and go through it, I just see the world in the negative spot. Tell the person to hang himself as an act of suicide isn't the trait of good mate to another human...

[@printingwithlue4310]

Well the comment section is familiar with narcissm pretty well. I wonder where that came from.

[@mikes252]

The idea of this god in judiasm/Muslim/Christianity is crazy. What he represented has changed so much, at one point he was a human sacrifice demanding tyrant, then as the religion became unpopular they just re imagined him as something else. Then tried to humanize him with a kid on earth to be more relatable, then turned back into a hatemonger, then into something else. In a way this God seems the most accurate, more of this creature that demands worship that he equates as love, so needy for validation because there is nothing superior to him in his eyes he needs to get it from those below him.

[@rambo9199]

If you mean Abraham... it never was about the sacrifice itself but the willingness to sacrifice his entire legacy, about trust.... if child sacrifice was actually a required thing then it would not have been stopped and there would have been other instances of it.... or are you claiming that there was and it was "suppressed" or "censored"?

[@ChadThomas-rq9ow]

​@@rambo9199"sike!"

[@wolvo5441]

Doesn’t the saint of killers kill god in this show?

[@lopolik]

yes

[@darksider2903]

God and religions r man made. In ancient times people used to call thunder and storm gods because of lack of knowledge and science. Plus it helped some a-holes to control majority of people. You don't need some books to teach you what is good or bad. All you need to do is live the way you want and let others live the way they want, help others and you can create a heaven on this beautiful planet.

[@lopolik]

Yeah I agree with you 100%.

[@lopolik]

unfortunately creating a heaven on this planet, would really require some sort of ''Great Reset''.. the way this world is now, I don't see that happening, unless there is some change that is a big cataclysm.

[@lopolik]

@Adam Jensen Yeah, it does surely need a reset. It's been enough of sickness, suffering and death..

[@christianali5431]

Not a beautiful planet. Things go wrong all the time.

[@lopolik]

@@christianali5431 Yes, they could. But usually they never do. It's ''same shit, different day.'' Kind of a limbo. every day's the same, and life is boring, and nothing ever changes.

[@imcallingjapan2178]

As a huge fan of the comicbook, this is fucking painful to watch.

[@bob74h67]

Why is it painful

[@imcallingjapan2178]

@@bob74h67 It's like the dozens of other slightly tongue in cheek depictions of God. In the original comic, God was unamibiguously a villain and wretched, weak individual.

[@bob74h67]

@@imcallingjapan2178 "God was a unambiguously evil villain in the original comic" In the comic He's actually more sytmpathic as he pleads for the saint of killers to spare his life unlike the show where they have a standoff

[@imcallingjapan2178]

@@bob74h67 More sympathetic? I guess it's subjective but dude, the comic God was just a coward, that's all. IMO that's what Garth Ennis was going for, 100%

[@imcallingjapan2178]

​@Stevey The Ex-Eevee In the comic, God was a cowardly narcissistic scumbag and Jesse regarded him as such right to the end. This scene makes it look like almost any other depiction of God in fiction, just a random old nice guy to have a philosophical conversation with.

[@insectostrich4407]

I was very disappointed by this series. However, this conversation between Jesse and God was one of the few interesting bits that truly stood out to me. (No offence if you liked the show, but you can’t deny it wasted its potential)

[@chrisg5219]

Yea this show was awful. Competent botched a great story that had a lot going on. Once I realized it wasn't really even attempting to accurately cover the story I just left. Not only did it look cheap but I guess they wanted to stretch the story out which makes no sense bc the comic properly adapted could've easily ran multiple seasons.

[@insectostrich4407]

@@chrisg5219 THANK YOU! I mean the comics had its own flaws, but at least it had more solid world building and story structure. The tv show could’ve improved on those mistakes too. However, somehow they made it so much worse, it’s not even a good show if you watch it without any knowledge of Preacher.

[@-Trauma.]

I need you to tell me, right now, why? Because I felt the same way, I even felt as if they should have made the time period the 90's but the show and it's changes kind of grew on me...really wish they would have explored the thing with his Mother though.

[@josey6231]

It would be incredibly boring if it was exactly the same, not just for a lot of viewers, but for the people creating it too. Imagine you get into a career where everything you do, every choice somehow effects the outcome of the artwork. Now imagine that creative choice is taken away. Now must stay within the lines of the colouring book. Boring. Btw I watched it without knowing anything about preacher and thought it was good. Not to mention that it takes significantly more time to convey emotions & dialogue on film than it does on paper.

[@insectostrich4407]

@@josey6231 okay, you may have somewhat of a point and I’ll respect it. I’m just saying if you look at the comics there were certain elements that would’ve helped explain a few things more clearly. For example, in the comics it’s revealed that the saint of killers’ pistols were crafted from the Angel of Death’s knife, which explains how he’s able to shoot through the freakin’ earth. However, I don’t think it’s ever mentioned in the show.

[@cdowg187]

If you’re gonna change this much from the comics why even adapt it?

[@lilmissknowitall5775]

I agree

[@Trishula707]

I agree people who worship different religions don’t deserve and don’t go to hell it wouldn’t make any sense I believe god created all religions to see if we can get along even though I personally believe Christianity is the one true religion a innocent person who helps others does not got to hell simply because they are a different religion

[@lopolik]

This life is already hell. Do you think we live in this life, which is hell and then we die and go to yet another hell? that is insane.

[@Kopie0830]

We can literally make this life and peaceful and loving and as pain free as possible (except having cancer, accidents, natural disasters, getting old, natural death) and all these things that I have narrated we could, theoretically defeat we can make a cure all for cancer, use gene editing before we are born to remove gene diseases, we can make a accident free environment, we can extend life thru technology but ultimately, everything ends. I sincerely believe, if there is one or two things worthwhile to live for, it is to love others and make everyone's life as peaceful and pain free as possible and to help one another and cherish one another. I believe after life, we continue on to eternity in a different dimension, the only different thing there is, after death, we can no longer change, since we are already immortal. So this world, an imperfect world, a world of change, was made to give us our full potential, either becoming perfect like a diamond, or worthless like coal. The journey is what matters most.

[@limitlesssky3050]

@@lopolik we are a byproduct of this hellish world. The world deserved us, and we deserved to live in this world.

[@lopolik]

@@limitlesssky3050 yeah, why? What, why are we being punished be living in hell?

[@beyonderssupreme]

Christian religion in real life is totally different, and not like this movie. Christian religion is created by human dictators, they don't even care about the melee bible reading, they created it for personal gain and society manipulations and induce more society conflicts to have something to be solve. Christians religion is human imagination and organized religious scammers.

[@Xerion1]

This god's gaslighting is top tier. You mean to tell me 10,000 kids die of hunger everyday and get cancer so others could "get stronger". How about no cancer and dying from hunger? 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@lopolik]

this world is hell, plain and simple.

[@WardNightstone]

Well God Lied to him, cause Preacher is set int he DC universe and there are DEFINATLY aliens

[@thebeast5949]

That's oversimplified understanding of God and Theism. Yes, God love you, God is Love. But it's not feeling or word, it's action and objective good and Teleology. God doesn't care about feeling per say but He cares about what good. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” John 12:32 It is the nature of God that is Goodness itself as He is Being itself. It is the Good that is speaking to you.

[@krokovay.marcell]

that's a series made of comics...nothing else

[@Yojimbro71]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂

[@theone-tg4ey]

I Just wanted to be left alone god. I didn't want anything. I just don't like being tortured or mutilated or persecuted like ever other man on the planet. Wtf is yalls problem

[@lopolik]

Yeah I feel the same, man.

[@alexiocatan5602]

i spoiled it

[@lopolik]

goddamn it man.

[@breeeegs]

This is so far removed from my own personal conception of what G-d is like that I can't relate to it at all.

[@seansmith4660]

Gods kind of funny

[@lopolik]

lol yeah he is. Evil but funny, I still prefer the Saint of Killers though.

[@seansmith4660]

@@lopolik nothing beats the saint of killers

[@alexiocatan5602]

Me

[@alexiocatan5602]

yeah bro

[@theone-tg4ey]

Please wipe mankind out God

[@lopolik]

Amen to that.

[@theone-tg4ey]

@@lopolik This

[@user-ld8eu2ez3j]

This show is a perfect example of the Abrahamic "God" and how twisted and vile god really is.

[@zxt5148]

Suffering doesn't teach strength. I'm so tired of these shows that fundamentally don't understand but pander to others who are bitter that they dont understand. Suffering teaches empathy. It teaches you understanding. It teaches you patience. But not strength. Suffering breaks strength.

[@darthekul1]

Yeah this is a nice scene but this god is so full of it and that's the point of the scene and one of the big signs as well as the ending where he tells jesse to say he loves him back

[@MikeRyland-ty1pt]

Great series but I wish they got a decent make up artist for the hair and beard work. This looks awful.

[@lopolik]

Should have got a guy with a real beard

[@godandfishing3345]

This displeases me

[@powerpillardirector1771]

Goddess morgan freeman laughs at this cheap imitation

[@majormohitsharma7701]

Can someone make a series on islamic prophet like this ? I challenge anyone to do it. Even there are only 24 percent of muslim population in the world then also they will tear down everyone involved in the making of it. If chrisitans are tolerant doesnt mean you will torture them for being tolerant about their beliefs. Meanwhile you cannot show the muslim prophet's life in this manner even though he was pathetic according to the most authentic isalmic sources. So it doesnt take guts to mock Christianity in such a manner but it requires guts to go against islam and mock it. And i know no one has it. Because if they do there will be carnage over films.

[@lopolik]

Yes, that's very true. Mostly the semites and the Muslims are out of the question to bash and mock, there would be way bigger outrage. Though I have to say this series was recommended to me by a staunch Christian friend of mine.. ironic, but it's true.

[@majormohitsharma7701]

@@lopolik just getting a status of being a Christian will not achieve anything for your friend I suppose. As I might suspect he would have enjoyed it if he wasn't a believer. Because the God of the bible is directly attacked and mocked. The things that biblical God is against at, is portrayed as God doing himself. But if someone even writes a book about islamic prophet in the narration of his life's events he is hated across the globe and even attempted to eliminate like we can relate to Salman Rushdie. So they completely know who their audience are. And in thousand years they cannot make it possible to attack him even though he did what here is portrayed by god of the bible in this series. So Christianity is suffering because christ never tried to implement his laws on anyone. and as always the rest of the world takes it for granted. Peace.

[@lopolik]

@@majormohitsharma7701 No you're mistaken, my friend is an actual believer of the God of the bible, and he is the one who recommended me this show, he enjoyed the show, but he admitted yes it is a mockery of God, but he still said it was an enjoyable show. I don't think that you have to be an atheist or irreligious to enjoy this show. Yes, and I am not a muslim, neither do I interact with the muslim people, we don't have them in my country at all, so I really cannot tell you my experience, but I can tell you from talking to people online - the Islamic people are the most passionate - and Extreme about their faith out of all religions, I can tell you this is very true. And that is the reason why I despise this religion probably even more than Judaism and Christianity, because they are probably even more willing to ''Kill in the name of God'' and if you think it's a different God - think twice, it is an Abrahamic God both for The bible and the Quran, it's absolutely 100% the same deity, which is corrupt and failed / flawed god, that most people with common sense will realise that it is an invention of the humans living in that period of time of yore and in those regions of Sumeria.

[@MrRawrCEO]

I mean...people have already made hitpieces on Islam and are still alive so getting ripped apart by angry muslims is by no means a guarantee. You also have to realize that the overwhelming majority of violence in the muslim world comes from several regions with low literacy, economic and political instability, and organizations who have their roots firmly planted in fighting "foreign powers" to a point where their very survival as institutions relies pretty much entirely on having enemies to fight so they can control the populace with fear. That kind of cocktail will turn pretty much any ideology/dogma into something horrid. After all, I'm pretty sure there's a massive muslim population in southeast Asia, but they have nowhere NEAR the same level of exported terrorism as several parts of the Middle East do, and that's because they have entirely different socio-political environments and histories. Sure, they obviously have their own problems galore, but that's the human race in a nutshell. We have to remember that our faiths and ideologies are made and shaped by US firstly and foremost. Keep in mind the same companies that fund this stuff also won't openly mock China or Israel, and there are obviously several other no-no topics they don't like to get into for fear of outrage/pushback.

[@acrosswater9041]

Not sure how you managed to bring Islam into this specific video but okay.

[@bigdomkook]

God is the biggest narcissist

[@durkin9664]

This show was an absolute worm riddled turd compared to its original comic incarnation.

[@liamsmith2183]

Couldn't agree more

[@TheCrimsonRevenger]

I'm not even a believer, but I understand the basic concepts and premises of God better than the professional writers who couldn't get past their own daddy issues when writing this scene. Let's make it so simple even a Hollywood Writer on 20 pounds worth of daily Antidepressants can understand it: Choice. We are given the freedom and the power of choosing our own path. If He swoops down from on high every single time bad things happen, then we're not Free at all. At best we're 30 year olds living in Dad's basement. Or well-kept pets. Now yes, many weaklings reading this WANT to live under mommy's skirts for the rest of eternity. The rest of us? Not so much. God ain't your fairy godmother, or a genie in a lamp, or superman patrolling the skies in search of crashing plains to rescue and raging fires to put out. He just built us a great big giant sandbox and turned us loose in it, for better or worse. The rest is on us. He doesn't even send you to Hell or Welcome you to Heaven. Your own choices do that. The life you CHOOSE to live does that. Because CHOICE is the one and only power He bestows on us. He tells us the best way to get to Heaven, but leaves it for us to CHOOSE whether or not we follow the path laid out. So, if you believe, or have tons of doubt but aren't completely closed off to the possibility....then choose wisely. God is basically the ultimate "Tough Love" dad, but writ large on a cosmic scale. Willing to sit back and watch you shove that fork into the light socket and let you learn the hard way. Willing to let the other kids on the playground whup on you until to grow a pair and fight back. And if you CHOOSE to see that as evil or more as a "derelict dad", well...He gave you the power of Choice, knowing you might choose to reject Him. So be it. The consequences are on you, then.

[@lopolik]

Interesting essay. I partly agree, it's not all about choices, some things are predetermined...

[@ryonalionthunder]

Oh so those children choose to have cancer? Or maybe their parents chose to give them cancer? Bollocks. You were so eager to jump up and down yelling “free will!” That you utterly failed to notice the question wasn’t about human-caused suffering.

[@badfoody]

everyone here wacking off to an angry Irishman's atheist rant lmao

[@jobecarol6812]

That settles it for me, there is and never was God. Just a bunch of Joan of Arcs.

[@lopolik]

there once was a God and bingo was his name. lol

[@lopolik]

@Holden Mcgroine yeah.. the bible is vague about God.. it's mostly just Thus saith the Lord to me.. and he is fooling people left and right in the bible too.

[@lopolik]

it's like a voice in your head.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

@Holden Mcgroine this is Old Testament God so pandemonium and destruction to reboot the franchise is not out of character for him (He caused the Great flood after all.) . New Testament God is the most famous as he is the Benvolent version/interpretation and was the one that is the basis of Christian belief as in Christians believe that JC made God less angry and more forgiving than He was. (this as in the Preacher interpretation, seems like an alternate version where instead of God just Chilling on his Fiery throne of light he instead snapped.)

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

@@lopolik it might help that the Bible is well a Bible, a collection of different interpretations and works of many different authors not to mention the fact that it was translated over the course of 2000 years so mistranslation can happen. (Unicorn/Rhino as an example is really just oxen.)

[@nicolaschisala1280]

This is so blasphemous, a total ridicule to God

[@seanwade9225]

God doesn't do things or set things up in our life to make us love him. It's a decision we show love for god when we follow his rules. Praise is an expression of gratitude but also everything is involve with adoration, you show who you are with the decisions and the path you chose to take. If you love god you'll do good by yourself and others but if love yourself you will do anything to satisfy your own desires that often lead to evilness. God doesn't demand from us praise or love but ironically that's the only way we can live in peace. Because we came from god he is our matrix, he is the source of our existence. If you don't love the source of your existence or you are detached from it, it means you are lost.

[@lopolik]

well said.

[@seanwade9225]

​@@lopoliksorry for the grammar it was 2 am when i wrote that.

[@kotaro07]

I know this is a show and all, but nah I hate and find that's a dumb reason for kids to have cancer. Just to teach us to be stronger. So a child must suffer, and die, just so us healthy people can become stronger? Like an adult dying of natural causes, that's understandable because it's their time, but a child getting cancer is just..dumb.

[@lordthetir]

If you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and raised to life on the third day, you will be saved. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 🙏🏽✝️❤️

[@lopolik]

And all the people in the congregation said

[@davidfinch7407]

God doesn't allow suffering because it teaches people to be strong. The world is imperfect in many ways, including physical suffering, because mankind chose to disobey God and go their own way. Our sinful nature is what brought suffering into the world, including kids with cancer; don't blame it on God. He gave us paradise once, and we turned our backs on him. Then he gave us a rescue plan so that we can achieve paradise again, called Jesus Christ- and too many of us still turn our backs on him. A world without cancer or war or poverty or greed or envy can still be had. All it takes is faith.

[@lopolik]

And who gave us this sinful nature? Bingo. It was God. Yes, and why not blame it on God? If you believe the bible, then he caused the humans to sin in the first place, and even if you say, it's Adam and Eve's fault then ok.. Only they should have suffered but we all suffer and have sinful nature, and it's not our fault that we have the So Called Sinful nature, so none of this is our fault.. We are in this life, which is HELL, and we don't even know why, what did we do to deserve this punishment?

[@limitlesssky3050]

The foolish creator creates an imperfect beings yet expecting perfection.

[@lopolik]

@@limitlesssky3050 yea exactly. it's crap.

[@AlexSanchez-ev8jk]

@@lopolik why do we as people have to ridicule to an extent of what other people believe I mean I’m not saying your freedom of speech is denied but I’m saying is it’s just a show y’all god also have us the choice to choose to believe in him or not regardless of who you are lol I’m Catholic and I think the show is funny and a good show

[@lopolik]

@@AlexSanchez-ev8jk I'm not ridiculing, but sort of pointing out the flaws in believing that the God of the bible is not responsible for our sinful nature.. So it's not making fun, it is like pointing out a fact that ''hey, God put the tree and he put Satan next to the tree'' he pretty much also knew that they will sin and disobey him, and he let it happen.. So how is it the fault of humans again? It's not, we are set to fail.

[@benjagyand1655]

This is not true the purpose of God is Christ n us reigning with him in Christ not to say I love u . The reason pipo suffer is sin n Christ is the solution

[@cliffarthur6549]

Reason we suffer is because God is a sadist. He loves watching us suffer.