The Most INCREDIBLE World First Race in HISTORY?

Finally the race is over and has without a doubt become legendary among the races so far. 18 DAYS of tough as nails progress - with Echo taking the win in an incredible display of mental fortitude and skill. Here's Mike's summary of the experience he had while casting.
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Evening all, Chris here again with Mike's summary of this legendary Race to World First. 18 days of hard progress, Echo somehow managed to push through the mental exhaustion and smash the Jailer in spectacular fashion. Also you may have heard we now have a series of our own Displates available to purchase. Use this link for a 23-27% discount on those and ANY other plate on the site: displate.com/preachgaming?art=619e85e06e135

[@RetroGenetic]

Let's post as answer here for higher probability of being seen and getting answered, is there plans on the round table? And will there mayhaps end up being more than 2 guilds in it, as I would say that SK Pieces would absolutely deserve their seat and same for Method (and naturally Skyline, but language barrier)?

[@darthdarth1337]

I just gotta say, I could listen to Mike tell a story all day, everything just flows when he speaks. I watched near the end of the World First and watched Echo clinch it but listening to Mike re-tell things just is *chefs kiss*. Thank you Mike for all you do! I hope we continue to see you cast the WF races in the future!

[@sandsand5483]

All those years of drama time helped, I bet.

[@mejia111andres]

This is what I was waiting for, amazing casting btw

[@Siggy152]

Hey Mike. I know you have high standards you hold yourself to. And that is why you do such a great job casting. But i think i speak for a lot of people when i say we couldn't care less if you played 10.0 or not. You are synonymous with the Race to World First. Not many people know the Hardcore raiding scene better and this experience does not diminish with a new expansion. Losing this much experience on the couch would be devastating to all fans of the race to world first and a severe loss. So please mate, even if you don't play 10.0, it doesn't matter. You will do an amazing job regardless, of that i am sure.

[@Aeloues]

Videos like this genuinely make me miss the class videos and legacies, the outro music is so nostalgic for me. Mike has always been able to just speak things so well and naturally I could listen all day long.

[@kurokusa-199]

I don't even play WOW but watching it live anyway bc Mike is that good at casting, really hope he can be involved in some way when the 6.1 ultimate WFR happens. with frosty not casting this time, most of FF14's well know streamer and content creator is doing the race themself, and seem like no one gonna cast it this time, it's a bit sad really.

[@RaddyC]

Frosty isn’t casting? Why not?

[@Kelenae]

@@RaddyC busy with family stuff i believe but he is running it still.

[@TheRealLink]

I think Preach would have a blast both casting it and also in Prog.

[@Mizzou58]

Let's do it brotha

[@Immersed94]

This was such an interesting race, because it lasted 3 weeks, and for the first half there was no question Liquid was the guild that played and performed better, and for the second half there was no question it was Echo. It showed great potential and hunger from the young guys in Liquid, and the veteran experience and endurance from Echo. I think both guilds should be very proud of their performance overall, and I also think Liquid will only get better from this, which is all we wanna see at the end of the day. Crazy race man. One for the history books

[@cbrdealer]

Looking at how much viewership went up when Mike was casting shows how much the WoW community loves Preach. I really do miss the old school days watching preach. Hopefully he is at least still able to cast the races. I just cant get into the FF thing, even if its preach playing it.

[@jonnylater]

Gingi gets me every time I watch the kill, man just screams in elation, peaking mic and all, and keeps going.

[@GoogleyMoogley]

Gingi is a gift.

[@brianbulk1144]

I just feel the hype and the awsome time that was you casters were amazing thanks for that preach!!!

[@faaeen]

Despite not playing wow for years this event was such a blast to follow. I imagine this is the amount of hype football fans feel during the finals? GG

[@adamosborne9440]

I don't play WoW anymore but watched the RWF on the Echo stream... AMAZING time! Would love to see you cast for XIV in the future, and certainly hope to see the Echo boys prog Dragonsong Ultimate and/or Pandaemonium tier 2!

[@kimaclaret]

I don't play WoW anymore either, but I'll always watch the races. I love what they've done with the productions. Seeing that for FF would be fun, so I'll 🤞🤞

[@Maria_Erias]

@@kimaclaret This is one of the things that makes me sad about the path Blizzard's driven WoW down. Things like the RWF, The Big Push, or even watching one of Taliesin's puppyishly enthusiastic videos fills me with nostalgia for what WoW used to be. That sense of nostalgia lasts for about 2 minutes, until I realize what two expansions worth of abysmal writing and lackluster storytelling stapled with hamster wheel repetitive systems has actually done to the game at large.

[@Skyblade12]

@@kimaclaret I'll take raids that can actually be beaten by people who aren't the top 0.00001% of players over a decent show that lasts a month.

[@brandonallen5109]

You guys made this RWF 1000% better. You're casting and commentary were fucking BIS !! Loved to see it.

[@MisterAwesan]

All the casters were soo good this time around. There were no weak links. In previous events you'd sometimes turn in and the casters would be talking about random crap for 30+ minutes while Method was pulling the boss.. like come on! This time there was so much knowledge there, explaining what they were doing, what they were thinking about, etc. Super fun to watch.

[@chinaman1]

There's still tettles!

[@MrCuprum]

i cannot imagine a rwf commentary without preach as part of the casters team, glad you made it!

[@JonasSchewelius]

Can't stress enough how good it is to have you on the coach with echo during RWF. perfect fit, love it!

[@OakenTome]

I only realized you were there casting when I heard your voice in the clip of the Jailer kill. A “hold up, is that Preach?!” and a hype kill in one vid is just👌

[@hdoddema]

Talking about the casters, I loved Gingi's turns on the couch. He's hilarious. Hope they don't change the clesses too much and we have you for a few more races, Preach.

[@kimaclaret]

Gingi energy was off the charts. I can't imagine what raiding would be like with him in the room 😆

[@wowzakimotips]

The ELX was coursing through his veins

[@neretilderem7029]

His energy was great, but his style is horrible. He sounds like one of those outdated sports commentators. "Come on chat, send the energy! Chat, this is it! Chat, what do you think, can Echo kill him this round?! Chat, we need you now!" .... ehhh, it was painful. Just let Preach talk next time

[@TheSilverwing999]

Gingi can be terrible. His takes are sometimes just not ok

[@kaizoc5314]

@@TheSilverwing999 Welcome to the human race

[@StarShopping69]

Listening to Mike talk about the casting desk is the most wholesome thing

[@joff3]

Loved the world first, the Echo casting team were all fantastic. Watched for several hours every day and the team were always on top form. Looking forwards to the next one!

[@scrummpybear]

i loved the raid race because of the length. Most are over inside a week (with splits) or just after reset. This was great to have content for this long.

[@rorycookman433]

Really enjoyed the casting you did preach! Loved the race

[@dianak6537]

Had a great experience watching the RWF, the casters gave 100% to keep the content engaging. Never watched prior races, was busy playing WoW at my own pace and the mythic scene wasn’t relevant to me. After quitting though, it’s nice to revisit the nostalgia of progression. Good to see fun of teamwork and competition is still achievable for the few there, albeit at a high cost (time/soul).

[@bryanbeaver4338]

Wow preach amazing take and fantastic video as always. Love from the NA and if this was your last Race we'll miss you on the next. GGs man

[@irevisibel9237]

Had a blast watching the race casted by you, Peyton, Alex & Co. Thanks again that you changed your mind and went to Hamburg full-time :)

[@williambutterworth6693]

Preach absolutely has to be included in future RWFs. He is WoW hall of fame and his casting sessions are S tier. The knowledge vacuum of one expansion/patch is so outshone by countless years of experience with the game. Would be a travesty for him not to be involved!

[@Pandaemperor]

Spam this peach to bring back preach

[@jotarokujosuke275]

Watching the fight when preach was casting and getting context on what was happening at that point in the vid, this RFW sure is amazing piece of entertainment i have watched.

[@GrayzBDF]

This video is THE SINGLE most important part of the entire race for me Why? I'm a 100% about the process and mindsets and since Mike gets it he can break things down in ways that hold my interest much longer most. There are so many things I don't care about tied to competitive WoW content anymore From my unique and specific perspective this video hits ALL points: The race, mindsets, fatigue, pep talk, the ANALYSTS ❤, strat calls, casting, production, the secret " casting deal" , your Family ❤ and so many other key factors This is most exciting video since I saw the one about Blood Legion and that means that this one is pure magic. Straight up ❤ Keep on evolving, Mike! You and your beloved friends and team are going places What a huuge milestone for all involved in making this happen. HISTORY ❤❤❤ Lots of love, bro

[@kelptea]

Eventhough I fell out of love with the game itself, it's wonderful to hear someone so passionate about it!

[@wullivieh]

Loved the race as a viewer! There were stretches that were a bit boring with the splits, but the bosses themselves were a lot of fun to watch. I was super hyped from Halondrus onwards. I felt like on Halondrus production also started to really shine as well (they had some fun cutting between viewpoints timed perfectly on aftershocks, which was so smooth!) And Echo definitely chose some great casters :) Good job!

[@octobeastX]

was great to watch, you casters made it even better. keep doing it lol.

[@Lancun]

There is no way in hell that a race like this should ever happen again. The sheer amount of split runs required to even remain competitive borders on the obscene. The gateway to actually be a newcomer in a scene like this is utterly impassable for how many damn alts you need just to try and challenge Blizzard's stupid loot system. If ML isn't returned in 10.0, that'll tell you all you need to know about how sincere Blizzard is about wanting to improve the game for its small remaining playerbase.

[@andrew7539]

Master loot won’t prevent split runs, just make them a little more streamlined.

[@Lancun]

@@andrew7539 It's commonplace for the best of the best to have to do dozens. Sure. Split runs have existed in this game for as long as multi-class tokens have. But nowhere near to the degree of nonsense that was on display during this run. Hundreds upon hundreds of split runs. If they're going to tune a raid this tightly and have it this untested to make nerf after nerf after nerf happen just to make things possible, then their loot system needs to change.

[@Skyblade12]

@@Lancun It wasn't Master Looter. It was tuning the fight for massive power boosts that weren't available any other way. Had Tier and Double leggos been a 2-5% power boost, it would have been fine. Having 40-60% of the player DPS locked just to make it interesting to view has ruined the raids for anyone except the top two guilds.

[@H25Invicta]

Great job Mike. Thank you.

[@dapineaple]

I think it’s good that you brought up the mental strain that Liquid was under after they started falling behind. A lot of people have been shitting on them that they gave up once they started falling behind, but it’s a hard thing to overcome.

[@TheRealGrimpaw]

Very good video. The race to World First has been amazing time for me for the 3rd time in a row.

[@georgisaksson7500]

ty for the commentating on the WF race :) brilliant stuff

[@luzif0r]

Honestly, the entire casting team was amazing this time, but you'd still be my favorite among them if you hadn't played for literal years. No RTWF without preach!

[@KumaNicol]

This is the first, and thanks to it, definitely not the last, world first race I have ever followed. I was always a doubter PvE races were anything special or fun, I stuck to watching PvP content mostly. But god damn if I didn't feel the energy on close wipes, or the immense pride they felt on getting world first kills. So fucking great, what a joy to watch. Great casting as always, by all involved.

[@RalucaVezeteu]

I absolutely loved the casting team and I would so much love to see some of the best casting moments

[@TheRyndiculous]

Thanks for addressing your earlier statement about not covering WoW. That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the vid lol

[@MrThePrankstar]

37 minutes, 29 sec. Not a single mention of the GigaChad who carried Echo through their darkest times?

[@tsulong]

Mike is such a great personality for casting, and a joy to watch/listen to. If he's not keeping up with wow and won't be doing rwf for it anymore, I'd love to see him cast for frosty and xiv's savage/ultimate races.

[@MicMac1141]

You guys did a fantastic job. Such a great race!

[@CoachEd]

happy to see scripe and the boys taking it home. started watching due to their ff runs and stayed for rwf. im hoping the dance-like raids of FF helped scripe look at the jailer and say "yeah i know how this feels"

[@jorethor]

Is the emmet-selch video coming out?

[@Dabasin]

I watched the race probably 10-12 hours a day the whole time. On the side of cource, while working and stuff. And been switching the channels between the top 4 streaming guilds from time to time. This might be bias coz i was rooting for Echo, but god were you guys the most entertaining casting crew in any of the streams. I had a hard time not laughing out loud most of the time. It was absolute perfect. The race was intense as fuck, but i got to say, you six made it as memorable as it was in my eyes.

[@ACactusHealingRhino]

Regarding your perceptive commentary on mentality affecting play vs an opponent. You gotta learn to be the hammer AND the nail. You nailed it Preach, seeing how passionate you were about this whole thing was pretty sweeet. Old WoW vibes up in here. Much love

[@troger147]

Dude!!! Haven't watched a video in a while, but dang, your hair is looking great!!!!!

[@Heero_effect]

Echo casters were the only reason I watched all day at work. And the fact that echo and method took 1 and 2 is impressive.

[@Riitmi]

I've personally been done with SL for months now and awaiting good news from 10.0, but the rwf still interests me greatly and even if I don't play 10.0 the rwf will still be on my radar. With this said, Mike is one of the true OG Wow content creators and I hope he doesn't turn down an opportunity to cast the next one despite potentially being less knowledgeable

[@ShadowReaper90]

Please stick around even during 10.0. Aside from your knowledge, you're great to listen to. You're like the big daddy of Warcraft.

[@kabes7]

You know, I stopped playing WoW a year ago but I was still absolutely glued to this RWF from start to finish. I'd watch the Echo stream most of the day, and then when the boys were done for the day I would swap to the Liquid stream for the night (in my time zone). I watched pretty much every day, for hours. Thought it was cool how much viewership it had across the board despite the poor state WoW is on the whole. Shows that people still give a crap about the game, which is awesome. I so hope they turn things around next expansion. Also glad you were able to come for the whole thing, even though it would've been hype had you just shown up out of nowhere for the Jailer.

[@tipps8676]

You and Alex made this an incredible experience for me to watch. I have never tuned into a Twitch channel as much as I have in this RWF. I am a WOW refugeee (stopped after MOP) and now a Hardcore FFXIV raider, but the way you and the team casted, made it so accessible to old/new players. Incredible job! Thank You!

[@violetbliss4399]

I tuned in now and then, I don't really wish for this type of gameplay to affect WoW's design (it does, just look at weakauras vs boss design this time) and I would love a less extreme balance for players of the race and other players both, straight off the bat. However, I thought the Echo stream was fantastic in production with just the right personality mixes, and it was still nice to watch the players outdo themselves, no matter what I think of current WoW raid design personally. Also the highlight reel was really awesome!

[@cas6382]

I'm not trying to downplay any achievements because everyone obviously played so well and did an incredible job but I personally didn't enjoy this RWF nearly as much as the past since my interest dropped off by the end of the first week. I still tried to keep up as much as I could but the constant live raid tuning, days of splits, and it being 18 days long just really hurt the experience from my personal position as a viewer.

[@Lancun]

Exactly. Split runs have always been a thing, but the hundreds required is so dumb that it's incredible that Blizzard's horrible loot system has remained for as long as it has. The only hope is that there was so much exposure to their developmental incompetence that it's a wake-up call for them to do better. Test the fights themselves. Fix the asinine loot rules, and consider doing a worldwide content release just for people's peace of mind.

[@iversithy1927]

Incredible race, everyone played so well and it was awesome to see how many guilds were "up there". For me personal the best part was simply watching Firedup play. From all guilds NA/EU/Asia I think he is simply the most insane.

[@scoops2]

Firedup’s consistency is absurd. This man is a machine. Does incredibly difficult mechanics, incredible damage, and somehow only messed up around 1 in 100 pulls or less

[@EpigenicGaming]

@@scoops2 Wait who's Firedup?

[@Immersed94]

Firedup is an animal. Watching him play Halondrus was just jaw dropping at times

[@tiyangina3571]

@@EpigenicGaming im not sure wether you're joking but just in case you arent or someone who doesnt knoe reads this: Firedup is a mage on the roster of Liquid of whoms pov maximum was raidleading most of the time.

[@EpigenicGaming]

@@tiyangina3571 I genuinelyn didnt know! So hes Estaup in the meters I presume?

[@FalloutFM]

I haven't watched you for a year or so, and I gotta say, that hairline do be looking good homie, worth every penny

[@meriwidget3474]

I'm glad you had a lot of fun, your casting (and Alex) was amazing and fun. I was happy Echo did so well, Scripe has been fun to watch. But for me, the endless splits made watching it pretty miserable. I could only handle watching your casting segments simply because you and Alex made it fun. Glad you got to meet some of your FC friends and happy you made it home safe.

[@razriga]

I know basically nothing about WoW, but watching Mike having the time of his life, and then telling us all the juciy tibits was great

[@djsage007]

Watching the race was so fun :D

[@Skyblade12]

The reason this could have been predicted was because everyone I heard talking about it said that it was going to be tuned for full tier and double legendaries. It wasn't a race of who could down the boss, it was a race of who could get the gear. And, yes, it was a combo of two raids.

[@positivepatrolleader4914]

Man I love this, this was the best part of my day.

[@kasper1241]

That Rygalon kill was so insane. They were not even close to the enrage. They had 6.5 seconds left which in this regard is miles.

[@James_Johnson79]

Sepulcher is definitely two raids pushed together.

[@cmerk100]

It was always going to take three weeks because of legendaries

[@DioD3]

Awesome race. Caster team was so good. Best of all the guilds running rwf

[@cameronharvey4746]

I think the biggest thing to take away from this race and all of the races in THIS expansion is how blessed we are to have two teams that are so insanely close to each other in skill despite the massive differences in play/leadership style. Both teams were so frequently within 1% of the other on multiple bosses even when using completely different strats. It is amazing to watch.

[@richarddevenezia8186]

24:55 Any "Death Sentence" spell should be able to be interrupted with a "Hunger Strike" counter-spell

[@redictor]

where do i watch the vods again? they should still be around for a while longer, right?

[@IsaacFNghost]

Damn... I had no idea the race was even happening. Haven't missed a race to world first in years and I miss one that was this legendary.. feels bad man

[@Noritoshi-r8m]

Nice haircut, the results are crazy, grats.

[@TK-ok9bh]

Thanks for the tweet Max.

[@CyanShaman]

Actually forgot this was even happening.

[@moulderzmoulder]

i cant imagine a race wothout u. it feels like you are also kinda part of echo tbh. pls pls pls come back to 10.0 rwf casting preach, this was one of the most fun twitcht expierences i ever had on twitch.

[@NateScreenPrints1]

Tettles: “yep. There’s a secret phase. I was digging around in my nose. Searching around my hair. Found it.”

[@MMO-Kenna]

Preach, Mike what a LEGEND! You summed it up perfect I was there for the full journey streamed it all day and night. At work, in the bath, audio while driving. Best gaming/esports event Ive ever seen and probably ever will see.

[@Freestyle80]

Echo made a very VERY wise decision on their casting selection, instead of a few knowledgable casters they decided to go with all of them having stepped foot in a mythic raid, its so much better than someone like Grant or Kexman saying random stuff that makes no sense Yes Grant Kexman are good casters but you cant tell me they have any idea how mythic is, they've never stepped foot in it EVER

[@thentil]

Is the RWF cast recorded somewhere?

[@thewalrus45]

Powerful Crab. Dodge Magic Swirl. Heated Potato Bomb. Walk Down Path.

[@sgt391]

I'm happy for the new method people. Let's hope for a 3 or more guilds race next year

[@chinaman1]

I think method really showed their capabilities this tier. Sco really put a strong team together.

[@Immersed94]

Method played very well, especially in week 3! But if we're being honest, this race also showed that for a more "normal" race that lasts 9-10 days, Liquid and Echo are miles ahead of the competition. Would love if they prove me wrong next tier though, I respect the hell out of Sco for the effort he puts into his org

[@matteolari8361]

this race was meeeh, whenever a guild drops out of the competition out of exaustion/need to leave their facility to go home isnt exactly the best thing

[@splaff5305]

agree, it was too long

[@KumaNicol]

I don't want to be rude / blunt but I think that's just either being ignorantly, or trying to downplay massively. For one, The guild from my understanding dropped out because they were clearly behind nearing the end, and didn't wanna get back into it after rebooking and such just to lose and have it be wasted, no offense to them, but they should have been rpepared to at the least extend it by a little, not sure what went on there. And, even if the only reason they dropped out WAS the time, I honestly don't think that matters, the race to get to the point they dropped out, which was a single day before kill if that, out of nearly 3 weeks. To say an entire race is now "meeeh" because on the final day, one of the top 4 guilds all progg'ing final boss drops is just absurd to me. So what, if Liquid stayed in and lost the same way, it's now an amazing unforgettable race? I just do not subscirve to that, seems insanely narrow minded. You can obviously dislike it, but the reason seems flimsy, IMO. And with the hate train on WoW never ending, I honestly doubt a lot of people in this comment section are critiquing in good faith. Maybe you're the rare one who is, but it's nearly impossible to tell anymore, it all looks identical.

[@OakenTome]

@@KumaNicol If the team’s going home and saying they’re doing it because they’re burned out, I’m going to believe them. I love WoW and have for years, but a RFW going this long is just not a good thing for the teams and their players, and I hope it doesn’t happen again soon.

[@sasukefaan]

They got burnt out because they knew they were playing at an inferior level.

[@Lancun]

@@KumaNicol Yeah, no. There was an indefensible amount of split runs that were required as a part of this race just for teams to stay competitive. That is a product of Blizzard's horrible loot system which they know is awful but they just refuse to change it.

[@hullu87]

that 32:20 when steakloins eat hotwings and pain starts to kick in :D

[@casualboomer3593]

All the casters over the years that Preach has said "Oh, your shift is over? Bummer, you missed the kill" are scratching their chins and evaluating their life choices.

[@cdub2393]

Preach, you are destined to be a pro e-sports coach. This is your résumé, mate. Carpe Diem!

[@FaithfulInsanity]

i think this will be remembered as the most forgetful world first due to the time it took, I forgot it was even still going it took so long

[@OakenTome]

I think the time it took will make it inherently memorable, the last race to go into the third week was Tomb of Sargeras.

[@obsoletethree]

I agree. I'm a bit torn on calling it "The Most Incredible" or "Amazing". IMO this world first should NOT be the standard of future raids. When one of the top raiding team calls it quit because of burnout something needs to change. Watching splits is boring. Great casting and great moments.

[@henriquerodrigues7795]

@@obsoletethree at the end of the day, blizzard is making content for like 1k ppl, meanwhile they're bleeding every other kind of player. This rwf, imo exemplifies the issues with raids in wow atm. Hard doesn't equal good.

[@OakenTome]

@@obsoletethree That I will absolutely agree with. I’m all for calling a raid bad for being too easy/short, but being super long doesn’t mean it’s good. I hope and think this sort of thing won’t happen again for a number of years. Hopefully someone at Blizz asks the Uunat/Halondrus guy to tone it down in the future.

[@KumaNicol]

@@henriquerodrigues7795 That's cope. lmao. This game was so anti top players Preach quit because of it, what are you even on about. Also, to OP, I could not disagree more, the fact it took this long and there were almost NO bugs at all? This will easily be remembered, far FAR from the least, for certain.

[@scorpiowarrior7841]

I didn't get to watch most of it cuz it's been one hell of a ride getting back into wow....but this is why I love this game. The jailer was the fist world first kill I was able to watch live and holy shit it was amazing.

[@undacoval3rotha]

Hair looks great my dude!

[@danielbeshers1689]

This actually helps seal for me that I have no desire to reup my sub for WoW. I am 100% certain that Ion will never, ever admit that this happened because they kit-bashed two raids into one. Ybara won't, Danuser won't, no one in their team will break the line and admit that they *struggled*. I'm not investing another minute or dime into something that is headed by people with more pride than perspective.

[@gruhnd9711]

Great video one question tho: WHY IS THIS NOT A STORYTIME?!

[@truetype80]

I jumped into the stream minutes before they killed it lol. Also funny they learned the boss fight the same way we learned to play music in band lol

[@scrummpybear]

I have to admit, thinking it would die before double leggo is a little silly imo. Its one of the main features of this xpac, farming them crafting them, powering them, of course the last boss would be designed around its power.

[@Sevarid]

Casters were awesome and every combo had something that made me stick around sometimes the entire day with some combos being more banter and others analytical really hope that blizzard can turn the game around from the state it has gone down the past few years!

[@justin9744]

You say this about literally every single race.

[@havtor007]

10:52 is where you can see the tweet that preach misinterpeted the whole last part of the race and was fueling toxicity.

[@misterbrady100]

Interesting that they switched a heal for a dps. I suppose they 'found the damage' by hoping more dps would kill the boss faster. By killing the boss faster perhaps that meant that there was less overall damage going into the raid, which would mean less healing is okay.

[@Kae-k96]

I still find it insane that wow raids are being actively developed/adjusted _during_ the RWF... Definitely can't blame Liquid for burning out if they just felt like they were bug testing for the teams behind them.

[@Maria_Erias]

Just another strike against the PTR, and that's not a criticism of the people who actually do the PTR to help out with testing. It's a criticism of the fact that Blizzard, who makes money hand-over-fist from WoW compared to every other MMO on the market, is (I think) the only one that doesn't have either an in-house testing branch or outsources the testing to a dedicated company. Just one more symptom of the overarching corporate greed that has, for so long, controlled everything Blizzard is or does.

[@Deverer93]

That reason alone makes me not able to take this seriously when the bosses can either be overtuned or literally not working as intended. Then you throw in the insane systems you have to do beforehand and rng mechanics and it feels like self-inflicted torture or a test of patience rather than a test of skill. Not to say skill isn't a factor, but how much time was lost due to fixes needing to happen?

[@AftermathRV]

the person that made Unat? Fair nuff! i was thinking dark animus Can you imagine Dark anihondrichus?

[@Rook986]

I don't think longer=better for these races

[@chrisdavis3551]

Yall here that We get Mike back APRIL 19th. Ty lawd i miss The Daily Preach, and my guides. Chris FIx IT