Preach's First Raiding Guild - THE BERZERKERS

[@SteelEmpyrean]

I don't really keep up on this sorta thing, but it's kinda nice to hear that you and Andy are still buddies.

[@Freestyle80]

huh? no they arent what gave you that impression? Andy or @Bauerprime has stated that they dont talk anymore

[@SteelEmpyrean]

@@Freestyle80 I don't remember and I don't care this was almost 4 years ago now

[@Dr.Barber]

@@SteelEmpyrean Mans out here performing necromancy on comment sections.

[@sorcerer3419]

I love this content. I would love to see a legacy of Preach series here you go over guilds and classes you've played over each expansion, sharing some annecdotes etc

[@MrTebre]

Hey Preach, first of all Im a Finn - yeah its me Baltha. Omfg I found this right now, and oh boy what a trip down the memory lane! First of all, nah Preach you werent toxic at all - you mainly kept us going. Secondly, Ashtar might still be sleeping on his keyboard and I'll never forget f'ing Spacemonkey (or Zaraki?) over after our first Ragna kill with the Onslaught Girdle (sorry not sorry boys). I eventually kept playing after Dark Light till WOTLK - and hands down you were one of the best gulidmates ever (even an OK priest, meh dont get cocky) and Berz's-times atleast for me were and still is the legit WoW experience that I treasure till this day - I was actually searching something of our content which lead me here. All of the best to you mate! -Balthazhar, your favourite Finn. PS: I too was a CM for the melee dps in Berz's and I literally didnt know anything at all and yes I was absolute dogshit - holy f*ck didnt that go wrong. And didnt we get server 2nd or so -kill on Nightbane in TBC? PSS: Yes, usually I was atleast tipsy, but still top5 as a fucking fury warrior in vanilla!

[@satsu2667]

Can confirm back in the day we Serbians loved to sit in internet caffe no matter if we had working PC that can run WoW or not. It was just so much fun being whit your friends and yelling at each other. It was like you said lan partys every day

[@draken4o]

Yeah, it was same in Bulgaria. Classic/TBC It was the peak of internet clubs in the whole country. PPl rarely had a pc at home and everyone gathered in the pc clubs/internet caffe's to play and hungaround together. It was very very cool time. Even if you had pc at home.. still was the regular thing to go and pay for night package and play from midnight till 7 am. And then go together have a banitsa for breakfast and then go to sleep :D

[@jordanallen3078]

@@draken4o this was common across the western world in general tbh.

[@jazzdomi4364]

I once saw a Group of Children from Kindergarden walking down the Street, all geared to the Teeth in Cardboard Armor with Swords and everything, for some Event i don't know. The Boy going in front carried a huge Banner "The Berserkers"

[@kloud1891]

Anyone else catch "my best friend Andy played World of Warcraft"? Sounds like present tense and it has made my day

[@lemonscented2644]

Haven't been around the channel for sometime, come back and I hear Andy isn't on the streams anymore! Glad to have caught that line as well then Oof just googled the names and saw the post about it, what a bummer

[@nerdstrong]

@@lemonscented2644 what happened? I haven't been able to find out why they don't hang out on vids anymore

[@luzif0r]

@@nerdstrong Basically Andy had a real bad personal fallout with one of the twitchmods (who have, at this point, also been a part of the team for years), mike woke up one day to see his small business in serious trouble, and when he got together with all of them, Andy could not promise him that it would not happen again, so Mike essentially had to let him go. He explained it pretty objectively some 1,5 years ago in a twitchvod, but that seems to no longer be available

[@radiustoursmunich2211]

anybody know why Andi is no longer part of Preach??

[@luzif0r]

@@radiustoursmunich2211 The answer is literally one comment above :D

[@salthebard6258]

@26:00 I came from EQ which had 72 player raids that were all coordinated through text macros. Going into MC the first time and sitting down with the other Hunters. Then we are pulling and my captain is like "Hey dude, don't use Viper Sting, takes up a debuff slot" and then learning about the debuff cap the first time. Then he explained the rotation to me "Yeah you aim shot after you auto shot, then you use Multi Shot, then aimed shot again." And all of a sudden realize how badly I had been playing before that. Fucking mindblowing. Love this channel and the stories!

[@ZiqpY]

KZbin autoplay started this video and i was about to click out of it but after listening for a few seconds i was hooked and stayed for the rest of the video. Do more of this!

[@pennyplaysgames919]

This was a lot of fun to watch. I hope you do more videos like this in the future.

[@Hjiel]

For the heck of it I tried to map out the guilds you've been a part of, let me know if I missed any. Berzerkers -> ___ -> Dark Light -> Killcount Lost -> Method -> ___ -> Darkstorm -> Method -> ___ -> Stark Industries -> Bald Fat and Ugly. The blanks are late Vanilla, late Wrath/early Cata and mid MoP respectively.

[@Preachgaming]

We found this nifty website that still had Vanilla data: www.warcraftrealms.com/charsheet/24115271

[@maggimaster]

He was in his brother’s guild for a bit I believe Then there was the one that kicked ghost in like 10 seconds Once MoP hit and he left method I think it was just stark industries

[@davidfence6939]

@@Preachgaming Used that site A LOT back in BC. I don't have a record of my Vanilla character, but fun to see my BC one. Thought I started my druid in Vanilla, but I was wrong!

[@ampersandkai]

There was - the mythic team of Stark Industries

[@thoridannn]

@@Preachgaming Im so happy you shared this link, im looking back at my Vanilla guilds and seeing all the former members. Im also really sad looking at it tho, as im the only one whose logged on at all since 09.

[@Escorducarla]

My husband and I have been struggling with our current guild's progression and attitude and I'm feeling incredibly called out right now. >.

[@BFMVPeter]

I like this content. Please keep putting this stuff out. Thank you.

[@Razor9mm]

Please do more of these. This was fascinating to listen to.

[@lukezitlofsky5286]

This should be a series for sure. Brought back some of my own memories of Vanilla. Thanks for that!

[@cue036]

This was awesome! real past stories and Please Preach.. you both also bring on Ghosty... tell old stories... be really fun

[@KimHarderFog]

Love the story-time format - keep it coming ;)

[@Arcthaw]

I used to be a casual who didn't want to be a part of a guild because I didn't want to hold anyone back. Now I am 5/10M with a fantastic group of people who are focused on raiding, just like I am. Thanks for all the help over the years Preach!

[@MrJustinArt]

This was a fun listen. Hope to hear more about the corrupt guild (and other stuff)

[@DomerNoodle]

great video, Mike(s)! Would love you to carry on with these stories.

[@cas6382]

I love these chill story time talks!

[@AutodidaktKrakiler]

Love this content. 3 time i see this, still enjoeyed it.

[@tigerbtk1986]

Fun to hear the "old days" think you catch a lot of us older player who where playing back in the day and had similar experiences.

[@thrust4252]

This was really interesting to listen to. More please!

[@jackrun666]

Enjoyed listening to the stories, please more!

[@Dizturb3dwun]

I used to be in a guild where each tier I would pug AOTC at about week 3-4, and then use that experience to help give the raid leader tips and ideas for what to do to down the content. Stayed with the guild, because I could pug AOTC, didnt care about mythic, and really just wanted a reason to chill in discord with the whole group for a few hours a week lol

[@wlegna18]

I don’t know how you remember so much from back then

[@gagemorgan5049]

Look at that luscious head of hair

[@jonathansoko1085]

luscious front area of the head*

[@jacobladder1816]

Where?

[@Vagabundomg8]

This was great, would love to hear more tales like this

[@ProperEng]

Loved these stories, please tell more!

[@yourname4817]

These stories are great! I'd really like to hear the story about the corrupt guild.

[@ScorpionP2C]

I enjoyed this, please make another the follows on from this story :)

[@lordcorgi6481]

UBRS is also where I met my guild that I raided with from Vanilla to WoD when a lot of the players left. I've always wanted another dungeon like UBRS/LBRS We also got a lot of our old players back for classic and now in TBC we're still together just like the good ol' days.

[@webbc99]

Arms Warrior was the best in 4.3. Best spec the game has EVER seen imo. It was perfect. Yes you needed stance change macros if you wanted to push that extra 5% damage, but it wasn't absolutely required. But min-maxing by avoiding rage-loss from stance changes (using Heroic Strike to burn below 75 rage which was the cutoff for Tactical Mastery), and timing your changes into Battle Stance so you could game Overpower procs from Rend ticks to get two in a row, thus minimizing the number of stance changes... It was so much fun to play. And it looked amazing as well, watching all of the warriors changing stances throughout combat.

[@SoyDrinker]

This was a great video, would love more of it =)

[@BSwitchGTG]

I wore a Pirate hat in our last Naxx raid prior to pre-patch break, and I did it just for you Mike! :D

[@orangemc9358]

I've been watching the drama time series backwards recently, and I gotta say Mike, that hair is looking fan-fucking-tastic! From years ago to now, the difference is very noticeable, in a very good way.

[@zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba0]

"Smoke weed you get no hangover." Ancient knowledge from the degen sages of old ahahha

[@lps89br]

I really like near the end when Nupss and Mike talk about what are your goals in world of warcraft, know what your goal is in wow and aim for the right guild for it, because that's exactly something that happens to me in WoW. I've been watching Preach since the time of the daily preach with the stormwind intro and everytime some situation like the "this guild can't kill what pugs can" comes up, I can see myself on it. I'm in a guild that usually struggles with heroic raiding, every patch since the last patch of Warlords of Draenor our objective is getting the AOTC achievement and that's it, no mythic, just heroic, and the situation is, I know that about 5 or 6 players are well capable of going to a mythic guild and probably getting CE, but we don't want to because we enjoy playing wow with each other and we can't be arsed to do everything else that mythic raiding needs lol. It doesn't matter if we get the AOTC in 2 months, 3 months, every friday and saturday we join up for 3h each day in discord and just chill raiding, of course there's some rough patches and bosses but that's ok (fuck mekkatorque lol). Every single patch since warlords we got AOTC and that's it, we usually take a break and come back when the next raid comes and it's great. IT always boil down to we like each other and still play together even if we know we're kinda bad, but that's ok, if you want to leave to join a better guild, it's fine! Love your content Mike

[@HurtCrayon]

I can understand those players who stay in guilds that do worse than pugs. They probably value the friendship more than the progress. Their raids are probably fun for them.

[@jordanallen3078]

Can confirm. In fact I'd guess most of the subscriber base values the social interaction over raid progression. Most players aren't "elite raiders."

[@Ahrimas]

In my experience it happens because of a big skill disparity between friends in a guild.

[@IianaDRK]

I was also part of the clanbase cod 1 rifle only eu competitions. Wow thats a throwback to times past

[@SilentaryXIV]

Definitely more videos like this. This was an awesome listen.

[@byteresistor]

You should do an interview with Gokufan.

[@sunnycyberbum]

Gokufan.... gokufan... GOKUFAN!!!

[@cas6382]

GOKUUUFANNNNNNN

[@jordanallen3078]

No u

[@Etzlo1]

watching classic content it looks so damn mindnumbing

[@puresinn6996]

Strat 10 with 5 people was amazing in my experience. I've been meaning to send in a tale or two for drama time.

[@beswick1306]

There were levelling guilds back in vanilla. Done right, those guilds would try and get as many members as possible with the aim being to facilitate people to come in, level a character, find people to quest with and do dungeons and would then leave for whatever they want to do in some other guild. The gap between "Well run large guild" and "Secondary trade chat guild" was, and is, pretty narrow.

[@terminallyonline280]

I always appreciated the way healing worked especially on a crap pc that I wasnt expected to be always casting

[@leonardceres9061]

I am a player who became a casual due to my life priorities changing. So it was always hard to find a guild because you either focus on raiding or PvP. Other than that what else can a guild focus on ? Socializing ? RP? Random dungeon running ? Mythic plus? Maybe but that still seems to require a certain level of commitment. This is why I gravitated to FFXIV. I enjoy the stories that I can play at my own pace. I learned as I went on recently things change.

[@Prengle]

This of course is also a great lesson in leadership in general.

[@Luthies]

4:30 There is a lot more to this tbh. I'm in a mythic guild myself, currently 8/10, so not the best, but competent guild. This tier one of our raiders managed to pug Denathrius hc before we killed it as a guild. However he spent an insane amount of time on it, and was probably among the first pug groups to kill it. By contrast our guild raids twice a week.

[@seenbeen1110]

i enjoyed listening to this

[@zealot9262]

I feel I could listen to the Mikes talk about random stuff for hours.

[@shaharpinhas5495]

Do more like this, it was intresring

[@jonathanatwood8303]

I hope you do the vid on that corrupt guild you were in. We all love to hear about the cisspool guilds

[@blackmage567]

4:18 this kinda happens on my guild sometimes. We usually do get a core of around 10 or 12 people that can play well, but usually we do our guild raids with 20 man (unless we are hitting a damage wall and have some garbage dps, we might then remove them just for the kill and then get them back in). We always aim to gater a 20 man core for mythic, and man it is rough. We killed first 2 then had to kinda call it quits, cause we were doing our kael and destroyer pulls with 17 or 16 guildies and having to pug the rest.

[@GoddessPallasAthena]

While our little guild LOVED the Cata leveling / Guild Perks / Achievements (btw, most of the perks are now gone), all that also spawned those massive, impersonal guilds, where they use addons to spam invites. For a lot of players sadly, those were their first guild experience. Whereas we (at the time only a handful of people played) leveled up doing some dungeons, holiday bosses (in Cata they did count toward guild XP) and . . . dailies. Yep, we'd group up and do dailies and see that XP bar just move a bit. We reached 25 in Cata. BUT we were disgusted to see SO MANY of those anonymous type guilds. When we made new toons, we were IMMEDIATELY spammed, so we had to set it to NOT get guild invites. Once I made a toon and before I was out of the CINEMATIC, I had an invite. And then another popped up. WE HATED THAT DAMN ADDON.

[@MyZenDragon]

this is great more of this, i want to learn about the sammer guild after berzerkerjs

[@nickkertzer3047]

This video sounds like one of those tinder profiles that are like "I run a business fostering raiders until they find their forever homes."

[@HarrisonEast]

New Video Series: Reminiscing with Preach!!

[@jordanallen3078]

🗣

[@Pyrion93]

I would love a part 2

[@ScorpionP2C]

Got a job from playing wow, Nups you give us hope of the dream!

[@Slimjim2147]

I am in one of those guilds worse than pugs 🙂 but they're my friends, I've raided with them since legion but we were always a decent guild clearing heroic and starting mythic. Now we can't even clear heroic, Idk what happened.

[@joshstephen895]

Your not alone. I think they have done the rescaling quite well this tier to make it more of a slope up in difficulty rather than drastic jumps from HC to mythic. Alot of people have the mindset that they are better than they actually are because they are in their bubble of friends. My guild usually gets AOTC around the 6/7 week mark and this time took 12.

[@maggimaster]

@@joshstephen895 the bubble is real My aotc guild is stuck at like 7/10 and I went on to a current mythic guild I went from being top 3 to barely above the tanks

[@Merinzify]

Nathria is an awful raid, especially for starting an addon. a lot of fights are badly designed, random timers ( because of spell queuing ). Anti melee design on some bosses ( Sludge, Destro ). awful spell design that nobody can see ( sun king, Denat ) Sanctum seems to be way better designed on most bosses, more fun too. Wait & See I guess.

[@viermidebutura]

The web caffe part was mainly becaue reliable internet acess at home was soo expensive

[@Mecheka]

@preach I joined night shift on Al'Akir at level 58 priest... almost the same experience... the old times!

[@Goodnightpun]

Holy shit the Cod1 rifle only thing really triggered something in my brain i was like 6 when i first played that and we also moved (me and my dad) to WoW we both made it to 60 i cleared BWL with my dad then and i just did pvp after while my dad went on to clear a few wings of Naxx 40. Good times

[@Jjoevme]

Your friend said he played alot of Cod 1 Rifle only back in the day. I was wondering what his nickname was? i also played day in day out for years and was in some of the top clan back then until i finally moved over to WoW when CoD 2 came out and they didnt update the punkbuster anymore for cheaters and alot of people had moved on. Maybe i remember him since it was quite a tight community with probably 1000 people or less regularly playing and around the top even less probably like 5-10 clans that were really good.

[@chidde2970]

I cant believe he also played rifle only, cod I loved that shit

[@sanderwessels3678]

I'm in a heroic raiding guild that usually does worse than a PUG. We have great banter and fun while raiding so i'm okay with underperformers - i love them to death ❤ as a guild we usually get AHOTC before next patch, which is nice.

[@maknobsta3674]

Same in wrath I out progressed my main guild. I did every dungeon and raid on my alt before coming back and raid lead for my main guild and help them progress. I really loved my guild but after TBC they took their time vs me who wanted to go go.

[@kytch111]

I love story time!

[@Ink_deep]

Dude, all this time you had us convinced that it was BerzerkerZ with a Z. Now you're telling me it's just a plain normie S on the end? Duel me m8 and cut my life into pieces because it's all a lie anyway.

[@chrisr9764]

“I’ll give it a go”. “Wow you did it fine, congrats you’re now the mage class master of the guild” lmao

[@NateFenix]

I remember becoming Class master for hunters in one guild I was in While I was still leveling in The barrens. Most have been around the low level 20s xD

[@deeroberts8090]

I think all players were fairly skill capped pre-BC. We were simply trained little by little from there.

[@basvanderwerff2725]

The early brd mobs are 48-50

[@Scarfo787]

I paused at 4:10 (where they laughed about pugs outperforming Heroic guilds) and immediately began searching for a new guild. That hurt. I guess I needed to hear someone say it out loud.

[@jakewright1932]

I've been in Heroic Guilds that run fine and make steady progress, but then I'd join a pug in off time that clear the whole raid. Usually comes down to a handful of carries decked out in mythic raid gear. My guildies are nowhere near bad, we just don't have the time to commit.

[@andrewpotter6455]

to answer your question about a pug being faster progressing than a guild. My guild deals with this very thing, but even when I would do random recruiting, I would state, absolute in its purpose what we are about, what we do, what we expect, and then BACK IT UP, so many guilds talk about what they are but don't step back and look at who or what they are, When i started my guild, I had a very clear idea of what I wanted with the guild, and to this day, I stick to the core of wanting to build a family of friends who simply enjoy playing together, who want to be in each others company, to not feel like this game is a job, and if we progress, great, if we didn't, still have fun. We still haven't cleared a heroic raid in 2 years, yet no one is willing to leave, they love each other to much, we built a community together, and found that that was far more important to us than pushing the end content till our eyes bled

[@andrewpotter6455]

we all found a home together, and the scary part, I was one of those spam recruiters, I just found a way to present my recruitment in an almost respectful approach, allowing the random person to know that this invite is entirely voluntary on their own feelings and views

[@Evil12Killer]

Andy come back mate we miss you !!

[@brandonspengel5727]

The idea of an internet Cafe group playing WoW is so foreign to me... i mean i was there in Vanilla, raiding at 14 as well (im 30 now) - but it was on a home PC just like everyone else in my guild. Hell, i wouldn't have been able to even tell you where an internet cafe was, much less if they even existed. Crazy how different experiences can be sometimes.

[@leobardis1721]

As to the Guild vs Pug raid progress, you don't give a shit about the people in the pug, you only care if they can preform. In a normal guild, especially a smaller one, you might only have 12 people on the raid team, and if one of the healers or dps isn't doing bad, but also isn't doing great, you still bring them because you don't want do be an ass to someone you like. And reasonable teams will just take the hit to progress rate and take an extra month to gear everyone up, while the people that can pug go get experience to help carry the 1-2 guildies that aren't as performance minded.

[@Doogrin]

Dude, you played NEOCRON? I lived in that until the servers went down

[@maddladd7899]

Preach and I came over together from NC, crahn 4 lyfe

[@raz644]

Holy shit...clanbase ladders. The memories of MOHAA and COD matches before esports.../single tear

[@danielschuettenberg2963]

Did you ever make your dark light video? I would love to hear those stories

[@luniers4629]

if blizz wants to keeps to keep regular, non-mythic+ dungeons difficult, they should scale our itemlevel to that dungeon.

[@beswick1306]

And i will argue with preach on one thing. If progression isn't what you are aiming for then raiding with a group of friends, even if you don't progress as far as a pug, might be what you want to do. There's nothing wrong with that but i think people should know what they want to do in WoW and find a guild that facilitates it.

[@10leej]

I was in a guild that I did better in PUGS than the guild raids. I didn't mind this until the lockdowns happened and I really had nothing better to do than raid on WoW.

[@Iantrypsk]

I only know 1 class for sure that was better in one expansion compared to others. Shadow Priest - Legion (Pre Surrender mega nerfs)

[@darktuskasa]

Player killers was my frist guild my first raiding guild was Player Killers Elite on Warsong horde

[@samvader249]

The Floorinspector has spoken !

[@thiagoporco]

imagine playing a game just for fun

[@TyogerYT]

Pffff casual

[@Lassitude1001]

When was X best? Basically, MoP. MoP was the best for pretty much every class.

[@shugo66]

Dude I joined a guild for heroic raiding to play with my friend and one day I got all the way to Sire and did some pull in like 2 and a half to 3 hours where my guild one day took 2 raid night (3 hours each night) and they didnt even get to sledge and 3 hours before my sub ended I joined a PuG 1 shot H sire and went into M Shrekwing and 2 shot it (almost one shot but someone broke lanturn by mistake at 20%) and I haven't resubbed since.

[@Rockyzach88]

The reason you get in guilds and surpass with pugs is because you are in the guild with friends and whatnot and don't want to leave. Also on some servers, if you go one step up people are more compartmentalized and/or dicks and therefore it's harder to meet new friends. Also, for people like me, I like helping and struggling with guilds like that that. It gives me extra satisfaction than just individually being better.

[@Yaeshi]

please do this for every xpac you played

[@Brett1692]

Referring to the conversation where a pug group does better than your heroic guild; i was in one such guild. Some of us pugged out on our own to get the content done. But raid nights werent just about progress. I went to raid each week because it was fun. We helped our guild learn, and got to hang out with great people. We didnt want to say goodbye to our friends, so we pugged when we needed to. Not having a go at you mike, just giving a point of view that you might not have

[@shanewest7030]

I love OG COD bolts only !

[@nimbusarch]

You are gonna get called so eliteist for this one lol, but man, I've been there.

[@InCardiaSnoop]

Guilds that do worse than pugs don‘t necessarily have to be soaking people. I regularly help in a guild that was my first progress guild back in wotlk. But the players there all have paused playing WoW and when they returned they just happen to be „really old“ now and brought along their wives or other relatives who are pretty awfull players. And then you have a few people who have been in the guild in different expansions and are not that „old“yet (more a mentality thing than actual age....but sometimes just age) and simply don‘t slack as much. They are doing m+20 and regularly pug further than their raid can. And it‘s really hard to make them realize that they are not having a good time and really should consider searching for something where they simply have much more fun since I quickly realized that they were just complaining about their raid all the time. Also: Really like the CoD1 fun fact. Good man! Rifle only was so good.

[@rileyforan2381]

Doea anyone know why Finn left PG?

[@arjansudra]

He just quit the game

[@rileyforan2381]

ah man that sucks. Did he make a statement or anything, if so could you link me?@@arjansudra

[@thepoliticalstartrek]

Not all Casual Guilds are trash. I have been part of the same guild for 15 years. We were at one time the largest guild in all of World of Warcraft. We have groups that do normal, Heroic, and we really don't do Mythic. We run Mythic Dungeons, RAIDs of all levels. It is not useless, but a group of casual friends.