PREDECESSOR is an Excellent MOBA in 2024

[@RGSACE93]

Great video! Thanks for covering the game, looking forward to more videos

[@711freerunner]

Paragon went down because epic games decided (rightly) to focus more on fortnite. This was still when fortnite was more about save the world and all that jazz and less about battle Royale, but they were about to pivot and wanted all hands on deck

[@oimate4531]

Actually, they announced the shutdown of paragon after battle royale had already started to take off.

[@billjim7288]

@@oimate4531 but supported Fortnut INSIDE the original paragon menu MONTHS before a BR was even thought of

[@idkvwad]

Not only this but the developers had done complete reworks of thr the in-game build system like 3 times before the shutdown... so lots of the player base at the time was dwindling due to the inconsistent direction for the game. RIP legacy paragon map. You are missed so so dearly.

[@allibababoo]

That game was actually slatted for shuttering. They were leaning into paragon when someone figured "why not simulate pubg on our game" and the rest is history

[@XrayTheMyth23]

@@allibababoo fortnite was never going to shutdown because it hadn't even been finished yet when BR released. Save the World was pretty much incomplete the whole time it existed.

[@sayayejay716]

Here I am. The support main who loves the role because Predecessor does it right lmao

[@kehbab]

What this means? How do others not compare?

[@Ratsputin]

I thought they did it right... and then I had a carry that blamed me for everything under the sun, I told him I couldn't save him from himself and he ran it down like 30 times. Classic

[@NobleVagabond2552]

@@Ratsputinhate the player in that case, not the game

[@thiagoboscowich3630]

@@Ratsputin Start playing with characters that can carry, Lt. Belica, Dekker or go with offpicks, i play Moriguesh in sup bc of her dmg overtime, harass and dominance in late game

[@Ratsputin]

@@thiagoboscowich3630 I just play with my buddy now, we usually go Kira and gadget, we only got a few losses with it and the few losses was cause either someone left or a lane went like 0-11, super fun and aggressive tho

[@kamdynlackey6761]

I did not realize this was your first video until I saw it in the comments. This is insane quality for a first video, well done. KZbin is also on your side it seems lol, this video has been recommended to me all week, finally got around to watching it. Gotta get in on the ground floor of this channel lol

[@Mista_Cassla]

This video spoke to me haha 😂 been loving this game the last couple weeks. Predecessor definitely deserves more love 🔥

[@SchwingyPOV]

Predecessor is a breath of fresh air! So fun to just hop on and play a match or two. Holy shit I'm going down the rabbit hole that is your channel now. Love what I'm seeing.

[@sagex666]

considering this is your first video ever, you did really good! i enjoy the way you speak and unfold your explanations. so you earned a sub :D

[@HNIC_Comp]

Hey man, I’m an intermediate paragon player. I learned a lot of the game just by playing but for it being just a beta. But as a relatively new player to the paragon scene this video is great.

[@yaylolzombie3421]

I don't mind playing any role in this game because it all feels good

[@michaelbald1729]

Great to see pred getting some attention. I salute you for making this video!

[@SchwingyPOV]

Predecessor has been an absolute blast to play but it's time to give another a shot, what game should I cover next?

[@hunterjones2406]

Smite

[@Viridict]

Great video! My hopes are pretty high for predecessor, honestly, with the exception of the heroes and their abilities, Predecessor is almost a completely different game than old paragon. Map, items, mechanics, alot of those things work differently now. Paragon also suffered from some meddling when tencent bought enough stock to have a say-so in the game's development. All and all, I really hope Predecessor will eventually be able to stand on its own

[@mitchel208]

btw, paragon did not die because people werent playing it… it went down because they needed servers for fortnite…

[@reaperofmemes923]

i hope this game thrives paragon wasnt taken down bc it was bad but bc they chose to focus on fortnite instead

[@crizzy4life]

This game is what smite 2 should have been. I am a “smite 2 founder” and it was incredibly lackluster. Now I know it’s ONLY an Alpha, but let’s be real, do you think Hi-Rez will change much, from now til July 28? Hope predecessor lives, they need to add more heroes, skins and battle-passes. That will help its life, longevity, and replay ability of the game.

[@rustyshacklefurd507]

I'm a smite one founder and figured smite 2 wasn't gunna beat the bar they set. I seen overwatch 2 re release the same heroes/champions and had a suspicion hi rez would do the same. I play this game for atleast a couple hours every couple days. Sometimes daily. Iv been enjoying myself on it. Needs more game modes. 3v3, 5v5 I never liked aram myself. Seems like the skins are getting better. I would like to see more mobility items 🤷‍♂️

[@allibababoo]

Justba reminder to farm longer and be slower to fight enemy heroes. People clearly still need to hear this

[@KK-be8rv]

Boring af :( early game clunches are everything :D

[@greentoxic3937]

Paragon wasn't dead, Fortnite just made more money for epic so they decided to focus on that instead

[@amaru6448]

Killing it off in the process imo lol

[@sockcap]

Well done overview I enjoyed it

[@SchwingyPOV]

Thanks! Happy you liked it

[@jamalgs3388]

You probably should have uploaded more videos at once, so we had something to go to a keep watching ya. Great video. You get a sub, and im looking forward to more predecessor content

[@SchwingyPOV]

Yeahh.. I know what you mean, these vids take time to make though and Predecessor is getting attention right now so I wanted to get it out asap. I'm working on another video don't worry!

[@jboyle24]

This is a great vid for anyone discovering the game that isn’t tainted by the toxic community. And also love the UT3 shout out

[@SchwingyPOV]

Haha thank you! UT3 was definitely one of the games of all time

[@EdrieBee]

Can't wait to see what other games you cover, Schwingy!

[@CloakLord]

I have 2 friends that main support and are amazing at it. I am always happy to have them at my back regardless of enemies.

[@idkvwad]

At 13:06 you can find how far you are from leveling up by looking at your level in the victory/defeat post-game pop-up. It tells you how much amber you got, what level your character is, and what level your account is. All right there. The level progress bar is wrapped around the account level diamond.

[@SchwingyPOV]

Yeah I've noticed that since I made the video, still odd there's no place to check that in the menu! That said, open beta, UI is something they want to improve on, I'm sure they'll get around to it

[@FluxRevived]

banger vid

[@Ten_Thousand_Locusts]

Oh shit, you're still around. When are you going to start making Predecessor content?

[@SchwingyPOV]

I appreciate it Flux!

[@bastawros99]

Incredibly entertaining! Loved the discord que part lol

[@SchwingyPOV]

Haha yeah that was the most fun part to do!

[@noampariente7222]

This is my favorite gameeeee

[@fufu1405]

I think the game would really benefit from a randomly picked weather and daytime. Nothing crazy, but sometimes playing in the evening, sometimes in (light) rain. The static perfect summerday time gets old fast.

[@SchwingyPOV]

I think that's a great suggestion. Weather would help make the game more lively.

[@TalkativeTri]

New Schwingy channel WOWWWWWWWWWWWW.

[@SchwingyPOV]

Heck yeah :D

[@Malte91X]

Damn nice video i hope.you do more Predecessor stuff.

[@ColonelKal-bu2qc]

Great editing, peak script, 10/10 review

[@SchwingyPOV]

Much appreciated!

[@MM1k300]

see i am a support main i have been interested in trying support in Predecessor

[@SchwingyPOV]

It's pretty fun actually, I've mostly played offlane and support!

[@Main_1_]

Give us an update video review after the V1.2 update in two weeks...

[@jasonrodriguez3457]

I’m at the beginning of this video and the amount of disrespect is appalling

[@thecozmicexpansionshow]

You aren't lying....

[@josephorozco8823]

Support is actually my favorite roll in predecessor, jungle is a close second though

[@ashsuri1289]

BRO THATS ME GAMEZERO LOL!!!!!!! I just want to add the support screwed it for us that game.

[@SchwingyPOV]

I probably sucked too! First time trying out an assassin... :D

[@ashsuri1289]

@@SchwingyPOV I should have let the other player play their pick I was just tired having to play support right. Everyone fights carry for last hits as support not realizing their starting item gives them passive gold just hitting a different enemy. You dont need last hit. Things like this need to be said so others dont feel like the pick they got will suck cause all the classes are good.

[@SkarDungeon]

Omeda city rank is fairly accurate on solo players but when you consistently queue with different rank players the game struggles, additionally it does cover console players their ids are just messed up :P good video earned a sub from me

[@Chowder0440]

I think this is actually the 4th Paragon. Overprime, pred, fault, and that one that got cancelled first. Can't remember the name

[@SchwingyPOV]

Oh geeze. I was pretty confident in calling it the 3rd haha

[@FluxRevived]

I wanna say it was called CORE, but dont quote me on that

[@Ten_Thousand_Locusts]

Lmaoooo this guy sucks! Nah but seriously really cool to see new players give this game a try and make videos like this. Paragon was something special and Predecessor fills that void pretty well. Videos like this are definitely going to help this game stay alive in the long run. Good stuff!

[@SchwingyPOV]

I'm glad you liked it, and ye I know I suck at this game..

[@Ten_Thousand_Locusts]

@@SchwingyPOV gotta keep it up, the first step of being good at something is being bad at it.

[@WagspereiraYT]

1:47 i laughed so much at this omfg

[@KingOfSparta353]

I think if they lowered the prices in the shop they would sell more, which would help them keep it going. Asking $80 for s bundle for 2 characters is wild. That's more than a AAA game.. for like 1 skin you will use and a banner kinda thing. other than that, this game is great fun! Loving it so far!

[@SchwingyPOV]

True, prices like that make it hard for me to warrant a skin purchase!

[@Chromnom]

I don't know why I watched this, I know the game since closed alpha but somehow I enjoyed it, so gj

[@SchwingyPOV]

Glad you found it!

[@Prestorisotodgaf]

Pred is good... I played paragon a tonnnn both maps of it.... Pred captures the game versatility and chaos of monolith while holding onto the methodical pace of legacy... If You're playing league then there's 2 things different..... 1. There's alot less early-midgame team groupings, and when there is there over in 2 seconds with a winner decided.... And even in the 1v1, or 2v2 that's perpetual early... unless you're an absurd tank.... there's this "delete or be deleted" dynamic to fights... Pred has the opposite, there's a TON of teamplay activity early..... and this teamplay is more enduring, fights are longer if people play well and even co-ordinated all ins can only melt a squishy champion, and "melt" means your hp burns over 2-3 seconds as 5 people target you and you may have a moment to flash or stasis.... aswell as this type of dive leaving alot of room for counterplay.... they 5 man dive the adc, but her sev ults every melee away, and they all dive the enemy adc.... now steel is peeling the re-engaging enemies and sparrow slowly lifesteals up while the fighters, mages and supports try and out play or retreat... Team fights are long and enduring, adc is the only real damage role as assasins in pred are naturally bad as burst damage is highly unreliable as they can't 1 shot under any circumstances unless super fed... assasins have some viability like countess and kallari being able to kill a low hp target in a skirmish and get our which is a unappreciated accessory but as a rule if a smart team groups, has peel for their low team mates assasins cannot function their purpose... I feel assasins need to have their burst, but they also need some form of consistent damage... either a low cooldown ability or a form of auto attack passive like kallari Q has. Currently there are only kallari, countess, fengmao as a hybridization... and that's it for assasins, you could argue revenant is a hybridization but assasins require the form of disengage to be called an assasin... revenant is just a unique character type I'd refer to as punisher from Dota. You don't really engage with active opponents very well.... but if they ever extend or get inactive for any reason, not focus on you, get CC'd... revenant punishes with massive damage in a burst load. We need more and better assasins

[@darkhumorfunnyasf4936]

I think it’s funny you said solo lane has minimal jungle interference 😂 their jungle will show up in my lane 10-15 times a game lol

[@blumind_web2264]

Loved paragon mad it got shut down glad this is here

[@israeltomaziefski6638]

Argus for support

[@protocoltonic5352]

if its 10-30 there is zero chance of winning it back lol but yeah, WAY to addicting of a time sink. its also the ONLY moba i play (and i love it)

[@nolangeary3993]

Shut down for that fortnight money over million people signed the petition to keep servers open back in the day imagine you buy a physical copy of paragon in Walmart play this game for years buy skins etc just for epic to chase the money

[@hunterjones2406]

I gotcha fam nice video 🤙

[@jamonbrown29]

You do not chase kills over the objective

[@feigi9263]

Great video :)) Predecessor is my friend group’s most recent obsession. For us the moba format is really boring but because of the 3rd person aspect it becomes so much more engaging. Also my god the number of people forfeiting for no reason is nuts. Can’t support a gray stone main though, sorry 🤷

[@SchwingyPOV]

RIP. Greystone is love, Greystone is life.

[@trainslime189]

needing a big map

[@YourLastShadow]

Paragon was amazing up until the point they changed the game dramatically, mostly the card system. This happened around the time Fortnite was made. Soon after the game got shut down but a lot of people remember the good old Legacy map days of Paragon. Predecessor is not much different which is why I can see most paragon fans coming to predecessor myself included. They're doing a good job with this one

[@ElClownz]

Well the TTK varies a lot a assassin's is gonna kill u in lest than a second xd

[@TheDandonian]

Paragon died because they changed the map (nobody ever likes it when there's one map and they get rid of it) and as if that wasn't bad enough they overhauled the game to the point where existing users had to relearn big chunks of it. Very annoying. I loved it back then and I love Predecessor. Sadly, the issue of people disconnecting, ruins the entire experience, likewise, resigning just because you died or because your team is one tower down is just soul destroying. Personally, I think the games duration is too long. I don't mind it but sometimes you are so far behind that it's going to take a miracle to overturn the deficit and whilst those epic come backs do happen from time to time, it usually feels like you were 8-0 down in a FIFA match with 40 minutes of misery in front of you. Parts of the game are just way too complicated too. The shop system, mixed with a bunch of items and builds for characters is just too big a barrier of entry for most people. Sure, you can leave it on auto-build but we all know instinctively that pro players aren't doing that. Some of the controls are way too clunky as well, like needing to confirm attacks. There's a lot of design issues that I'd love to fix.

[@SchwingyPOV]

I think fortnite's success was also a huge factor for why development on paragon eventually stopped, but yeah, I've learned of a few things that paragon did completely different from predecessor (item/card system and the maps like you said) that I could totally see having had a negative effect on the community at the time! It reminds me of what happened to H1Z1 at around the same time!

[@TheDandonian]

@@SchwingyPOV I was on Paragon daily with my squad (we were a group of 8 who were on frequently) and after the updates, I think I was the only 1 out of the 8 even prepared to give it a go. If 7 of my 8 abandoned it, I can only imagine that happened to the masses. Hopefully these guys learn from that... and what we've seen with the likes of Warzone where the hatred for Caldera was real but now we have tons of maps in rotation.

[@xDevoureveryhour]

Muriel mains represent 💪

[@feigi9263]

Oh also you should play BPM because it’s just a great game that I haven’t seen get enough love

[@SchwingyPOV]

Hahahahaha. Go check out my main channel (link in description) and look at my first few videos on that one. BPM is where I started KZbin!

[@feigi9263]

@@SchwingyPOV oh hell yeah! I got was actually really sad when I saw you only had like 12 subs because of how good your content is! Keep it up

[@oldcoldsnakemusic]

On paper, 3rd person MOBAs should be perfect for me. But watching this and smite gameplay and its just a nauseating, headache-inducing, weightless and flashy combat experience. Great video. Chill explanations.

[@SchwingyPOV]

I appreciate it! Maybe one day one will come around that isn't as floaty!

[@Thajig]

Combat can definitely get crazy sometimes but its not bad

[@Jaje_Chromosomii]

Great video lol

[@jakenewman2135]

Honestly though, how do you get the fact that it didn’t even die, it got its support shifted to Fortnite. Don’t make it sound like it died for a a reason bc it definitely wasn’t when they shut the servers off

[@SchwingyPOV]

Yeah you are correct, I misrepresented it in the video!

[@FinishWilly]

If smite 2 actually comes out in a reasonable timeline this will die so quick

[@SchwingyPOV]

When is that supposed to come out actually? Do we have an official date? Been seeing constant ads for the founders pack lately so I'm assuming it's soonish?

[@SageAtoreis]

Smite is on flat area. It sucks. What's the point of TPP if you have no verticality

[@Brwykk]

This game is toooo gooooooood!!!

[@kguap9655]

It’s a really good game

[@bbugger441]

Ofc the self proclaimed “filthy casual” is a grey main hahaha -sevarog

[@BackiNator123]

im offended lol. Support main and the amount of times i contributetd majorly to winnig the game by hitting massive riktor hooks providing peel and vision for my team or just feeding my carry by supporting him i cant remember. dont say supports are useless. only Supports make a carry fed lategame ^^

[@SchwingyPOV]

Yeah I hope it comes across that I'm just memeing! A good support makes or breaks the duo lane.

[@BackiNator123]

@@SchwingyPOV sure sure im also not mega serious Just wanted to tell my point. great Video tho ^^

[@roodbwo169]

the reason paragon died is because they wanted to focus on fortnight after it blew up also their final card system update was really unbalanced and due to fortnight being such a success they didn't put any work into fixing its issues this added to the downfall, so they released all the assets for free because i believe deep down it was the devs baby and they did want it too succeed but just didnt have the recourses

[@Meskuzze420]

Paragon didn't die. It was killed by Epic.

[@gabycashy5]

a moba i might actually play I never liked smite the way the abilities feels and aim is wonky its so slow and delayed

[@miltonsilverioespinosa8847]

Damn no one likes playing support I guess I’m alone lol 😂

[@elsalaxander2888]

Sucks. There, done. Fixed it for you.

[@nicgaumond]

Next game: DOOM ETERNALLLLLLLLL

[@SchwingyPOV]

Let's goooo

[@Rumblestuff112]

Support slander

[@SchwingyPOV]

I love supports that willingly choose it!

[@THE_HORROR_4K]

good game but were ist the love for details from epic games? Sad graphics, no detail, is looking cheap for me. sad light effects.

[@derbestimmer1148]

Dota 2 is self hatred but League is fine? You may not be a very cranial gamer, but if you have the capacity for Dota 2's deeper systems, you can't begin to compare the Smurf infested shithole that is league to Dota. And I was a very involved League Player for years. Dota 2 actually cares about the player experience for the last 2 years at least, while Riot ist out for the money and nothing else.

[@SchwingyPOV]

I appreciate your input and can't really comment on the monetization of dota as I'm not informed on the matter! It's not so much my lack of a brain that makes me dislike Dota 2 in comparison to LoL though, I just REALLY do not like the movement characters have. Every time I've tried it, it's felt like I'm wading through a pool of jello. Also none of my friends play dota.. it's just way less popular where I live.

[@Raymond-v5t]

4th time

[@billjim7288]

Keep in mind paragon only failed because EPIC got lazy and had FoRTnITsS money so they drop the game

[@SchwingyPOV]

To be fair they probably made way more money on fortnite than they ever would've with Paragon so from a company's perspective, I can totally see why they did what they did. Just unfortunate.

[@billjim7288]

@@SchwingyPOV that’s what a lot of people don’t understand is they are not an OG beta player of paragon. In the original paragon INSIDE the menu it supported Fortnut from the beginning before it was even a BR if you played 10 games of Fortnut you would get a banner for paragon but never did they do the same for paragon. Also the balance team didint help lol they where BaAAaaad

[@devinlane2364]

This game feels horrible on console . Every character I pick doesn't do damage I'll pass

[@jamonbrown29]

That’s a skill issue you don’t know how to build if you not doing any damage

[@WillhelmLiebniz]

Too bad the matchmaking makes this game unplayable. 5 stack or delete.

[@singleplayer1g]

PREDECESSOR is an Excellent MOBA in 2024 - how much you got paid to lie ? Also the only worst game then this one was - concord and now dustbord , 2.4k peak daily The game it's just a copy paste from other mobas , but made worst by xmas will be closed 100%

[@AstrologyGames]

The game only died bc of fortnite btw

[@chancelorswanger112]

I stopped watching when it was compared to league and dota

[@SchwingyPOV]

Good call

[@gamiii6666]

This game will die when smite 2 comes out

[@Howdypartner69420]

Smite is incredibly ghey. I don’t understand how anyone thinks it’s better than this. Smite 2 could have just been an update. Nothing was remade at all from the ground up, they just plug and played from UE3 to UE5. I hope smite dies out sometime soon.

[@SageAtoreis]

Exactly. Smite is a flat MOBA, just with other view. Pred is the real TPP MOBA experience.

[@tVision.]

High quality, 74 subs is criminally low. Nice vid. I jus picked up the game, coming from smite/smite2 75 subs now keep it up. Random game reviews in this format, personally i enjoy a lot.

[@SchwingyPOV]

Love it, that's the idea I'm going for! Thanks for the early support!