Predestination & Freewill - Dave Hunt

[@FernandoScrenci-s9t]

Perfect logic / Biblical logic preaching !!! You Will never hear such preaching in the churches like this!!!! Amazing preaching, from start to finish!!! 👏

[@valeriegilmore9156]

Where have the Teachers like this gone, who are not afraid to speak the Truth of the whole word of God. Who have taken on the responsibility of the gift of teaching bestowed on him. One of the few whose Name and testimony continues to bless.

[@jimih7811]

The day I die I will ask my dear Father in heaven to meet this godly man of the scriptures that played a major role in my life and still does to understanding sound doctrines!

[@markbirchall2060]

Dave Hunt - will go down as one of the greatest warriors of Bible study and application in our generation!! Who else did the work he did?? He was FEARLESS!! May he rest in peace.

[@mattmason1986]

Chuck missler ; his friend

[@markbirchall2060]

@@mattmason1986 Amen brother! CHuck Missler too!

[@darryld.8616]

James White has actually corrected Dave Hunt numerous times of his man-made traditions. Dave Hunt had horrible soteriology not understanding proper God's sovereignty in election and predestination.

[@OrangeMonkey2112]

@@darryld.8616okay troll keep moving with your skewed OPINION. You want to sound smart, but your not. You give an opinion without any scripture so you can sound smart. Take your tiny brain somewhere else to troll. We don’t need your opinion. That’s what Holy Spirit is for. Bye

[@OrangeMonkey2112]

@@mattmason1986Chuck is great in my opinion too. I also have enjoyed Roger Oakland so far. Holy Spirit has led me to some great men and I am grateful. I’m so sick and tired of these “Hey ai know better than you guys” people. They finally read a book and think they are knowledgeable. I know ai have to pray for them and love them, but I DO NOT have to like them lol.

[@search4truth616]

Faithful to the Scriptures to the very end. One of the few men I trusted as a teacher of the Word of God. May God rest his soul. †

[@Steve20333]

He's with JESUS CHRIST now and He's in the place He wanted to be , He's safe with the LORD JESUS CHRIST. I never met him and only know him through his teachings , He's a wonderful Man of GOD. and I miss Him ! but He's still teaching . Our LORD JESUS CHRIST is awesome and I hope to meet Dave in Heaven ,to say thankyou for speaking scripture. GOD bless you all for allways .

[@OrangeMonkey2112]

Dr. Chuck Missler, I’m my opinion, is another. I believe these two were even friends.

[@joshuacooper9946]

I was leaning towards Calvinism and even found myself agreeing with Islam sometimes. God lead me here to prevent me from being led astray.

[@jesussaves7973]

Praise Him!!

[@billbrasky12]

That is so wonderful!! You chose life!! And l8fe by the only door..

[@Tom-iw3zh]

Dave Hunt and King David had one thing exactly in common, "A man after God's own heart."

[@kevinramsey2636]

We will be judged for whether we believed or not so yes we have free will

[@annettegaardlykke8571]

Oh Lord, I really miss this man!!! Speaking the truth in love, so compassionate.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

@@connorlancaster7541 Hebrews 5:9 is one fraction of the whole verse (and you could not even quote *_that fraction_* accurately) so here is the entire sentence: For every high priest taken from among men is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins. He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness; because of this he is required as for the people, so also for himself, to offer sacrifices for sins. 4 And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was. So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him: _“You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.”_ As He also says in another place: _"You are a priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek”_ who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered *and having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him* called by God as High Priest “according to the order of Melchizedek,” of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.

[@connorlancaster7541]

@@inTruthbyGrace How come it says SALVATION FOR ALL WHO OBEY HIM? What happens if we don’t obey Jesus? What if we die in willful sin? Salvation is not a one step, one stop process. Salvation is something that is a multi-component process. The first step is to believe in Jesus, John 3:16 as well as believe in the Gospel. Believing in Jesus to be saved is the very initial part, as well as accepting Him, John 3:16, John 17:20. But obedience must follow after that initial belief immediately followed by true repentance, Luke 13:3, Mark 1:15. Those who do not believe will be damned, John 3:36.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

@@connorlancaster7541 Connor I know what you are saying but if you believe, you really have passed from death to life (John 5:24) and nothing is going to put you back to death.. it takes a while to be sanctified buddy.. you can not put new believers under the expectation that suddenly they are going to be sinless.. they are not. God may allow them to remain in sin until they recognize their need for the Lord to remove them from it.. read Romans 7 (Paul says it perfectly: 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 *_I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.)_* we are stuck in this body for a while still...but Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: (Phil 1:6) and we have this assurance that if we continue in His Word we are His disciples indeed (John 8:31-32)... Jesus sanctifies us by His truth, His Word is truth. (John 17:17) Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. (1Pet 1:22-23) therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ by whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. (Rom 5:1-2) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom 8:38-39) For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” Gal 2:19-21 and Col 2:13-15 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. so yes we are to strive for the highly calling of God in Christ Jesus... but our salvation is not dependent on our obedience because "!f we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. " (1John 1:8-10)

[@connorlancaster7541]

@@inTruthbyGrace If you go back into willful sin yes you can. So what if the believer keeps on willfully sinning after years of accepting Jesus? or knowing the Bible is not enough, we must also put the Gospel into practice in order to enter the kingdom, Matthew 7:21. If we truly love God, we will keep His commandments, John 14:15. Paul reiterates that we must repent and do the works worthy of repentance Acts 26:20. This repentance is for everyone and was first preached by John the Baptist in Matthew 3:8. So both the Apostles in the New Testament and John the Baptist preaching to the people of Israel under the law still are required to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance. Jesus defines repentance as turning from sin as well as a change of mind, both, not one nor the other. Jesus says Nineveh would have repented at the preaching of Jonah. Then looking to Jonah 3:10, we see how Ninevah repented. They did not simply have a change of mind only, but they also had a change of works as it says they turned from their wicked ways. Maybe Paul was talking about the Old Testament law there. We believe in being saved by grace which is through faith, and that faith without works is dead faith, James 2:14-26. Jesus is the author of our faith, Hebrews 5:9, and His faith was filled with works that pleased the Father, not men, not flesh. Jesus had the perfect faith that always pleased the Father, John 8:29, Revelation 14:12. Grace, with respect unto salvation, is the opportunity to repent. Without true repentance, no grace will save anyone. Ephesians 2:8-9 by Apostle Paul says "we are saved by grace through faith, and this is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast." Nearly always when Paul mentions works in the New Testament he is referring to the works of the law as well as Jewish traditions not found in the 613 Mosaic laws but were considered in that culture and society as law. For instance, the priests questioned why Jesus and His followers did not wash their hands before eating. This was not in the 613 Mosaic laws but was a tradition the priests added into their culture/religion. Thus, Paul is referring to dead works or works of the flesh in Ephesians 2:8-9. Obeying Jesus is not part of the Old Testament law. Jesus gave new commands such as "Love one another as I have loved you, this is a new command I give you." There are many detailed teachings from Jesus we must abide by if we truly are in Him, which Paul confirms in 1 Timothy 6:3. We must abide in the teachings of Jesus as He, Paul, and the other Apostles taught. This is the will of the Father, Matthew 17:5. Notice how John 8;31-32 says “IF we continue in his word” What if we don’t stay in his word? If nothing can separate us from God's love, why does Jesus say we can be in Revelation 3:16? So does Paul in Romans 11:22. Also 1 Cor 9:27, Hebrews 10:26. It says they were graphed in which means not Jews. Also see the other verse I gave you. Also remember Jesus says you are the salt. But if you lost your saltiness you are cast out. When it says if we say we have no sin I think that’s means if you say you have never sinned in your life. I think same goes for 1 John 1:8-10

[@inTruthbyGrace]

@@connorlancaster7541 "go *_back_* to wilful sin?" so you imagine that you have not only *_left sin_* but are in willful control of it?! ...that would have to include your earthly flesh and your tongue, ... that would also mean you are so filled with knowledge of God's Word and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. that you never offend His perfect will (2Pet 1:2-9)? ... no more warring in your members (Rom 7:23) ??? hmm. I tried to demonstrate through The Word of God that sanctification takes time (1Pet 1:22-25), sanctification comes from the knowledge of the Word of God (John 17:17, John 8:31-32, 2Pet 1:1-13) and it's not possible to completely end the war between the carnal and spiritual man (Rom 7:14-25) until we are glorified (Eph 4:13), because scripture demonstrates that no one is perfect until we are glorified and become adopted children of God .....but obviously you cont8inue to argue because you disagree... so okay... That is quite a claim you are making about yourself!! What an accomplishment ... even Jesus didn't claim to have done things on His own strength (John 5:30-47, 8:28, 54)....He glorified God it is amazing that you have such a perfect knowledge of God's will that you will offend God in NOTHING having "willfully left sin" ... that is a "perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ".... if that is true you deserve tons of glory for what you have done! The rest of us are still seeking to abide in The Lord and be pruned by the Husbandman (John 15)studying the Word of God to learn of our secret faults (Psalm 19:12) and reign in our flesh and tongue (James 3:5-18) leaning on the grace of God to show us how to escape and bear the temptations we encounter and ask God to forgive us for the sin we commit when we fall short (Luke 22:40, 1Cor 10:13, 1John 1:7-10).. still answering Jesus' call to repent because we are still sinners.

[@patreis3722]

Amazing! The comparison of Calvinism and Islamism is spot on. Dave was truly a berean; may we follow his example 🙏

[@carmenvljn]

scary when you realise what spirit is behind Calvinism

[@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE]

I nearly jumped ship, as it were ; when I learned about the damnable doctrine of Calvinism. So many Calvinist sites insisted that God had predestined so many to hell without so much as a shred of compassion. To find Dave's book was a relief I cannot put into words. Ten years later, the book I bought (the day I learned of Dave's passing to Glory) is just about a coloring book, it's been highlighted in so many places.

[@poolahpot]

What is the title of the book??

[@hwd7]

It was such a blessing to attend this meeting and see Dave Hunt speak live, it was like seeing Christian royalty. I bought this on DVD and watched it 100 times, thank you CWM for making it free.

[@AndyMetz-x6q]

A Faithful servant who ran his course, and was Faithful to God and His Word

[@ChristianPrince_Subscriber]

I love Philip Powell and Dave Hunt Was blessed enough to go to conferences with Philip speaking.

[@karinecarde1254]

Excellent teaching! God chose ALL to love Him, but will we all?

[@carolynwilson7803]

Thank you for posting 🙌😊What a Godly man Dave Hunt was and he explained things so well👍

[@carolynwilson7803]

@@connorlancaster7541 Thank you Connor, Have looked at recommended KZbin sight👍.I agree with pretty much all of what you said. However I have come to find apart from Christ I can do nothing in my own strength to make me Holy. For many years as a young believer I tried and failed miserably until the Lord showed me that the fruit of the spirit is His fruit that is given to true believers who remain in Him. He is the Vine we are the branches and He prunes us / disciplines us as a loving Father. He finishes the work He has started in us. I cannot perfect myself and oh how I wish this body of sin and death was glorified already . I believe that at true conversion God changes our desires and causes us to hate the sin that’s in us through our sanctification process even if we struggle at times with it He enables us to come to Him in ( true)repentance . Repentance is such a wonderful Gift from God. I do believe that true Christians should have a fear of God the Bible tells us that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom . God is Holy and he does want us to walk in His holiness and he is changing every true believer into the image of His Glorious SON . It’s a process and this side of eternity we face many battles, sin, the world and the devil . Thank God that he walks with us through this dark world and HE AND HE Alone is our only true teacher . May God bless you and keep you ever so close by his side in these very dark days.

[@connorlancaster7541]

@@carolynwilson7803 So are you saying we do nothing and God does Everything for us?

[@carolynwilson7803]

@@connorlancaster7541 No Connor I am not saying that at all I am saying that God changes our desires and gives us His strength to live the Christian life we cannot over come the sin in our lives by our own power alone. We need His power working in us and through us constantly. We are called to be obedient 100% of the time . We do have our role to play in this extraordinary relationship we have with our creator .Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandment. I have grieved over the lack of love I have had at times in certain areas in my life of going my own way all the while feeling justified as the bigger areas where given over to Christ . Jesus wants all of us.But we love only because He first loved us. It’s impossible to put to death the deeds of our wretched flesh by our own strength.God knows we need him 24/7 he also knows we are but dust and His precious death on that cross covered ALL our sin . The Christian walk is a life long walk of true repentance . We have so much garbage of this world , our flesh that God has to deal with through our sanctification process . Thank God He is long suffering and doesn’t give up on his children like us humans can give up on other humans .WE ARE ALL WORKS IN PROGRESS.We are all called to live the crucified life it is only possible through our Lord and Saviour as He gives us the power to put to death the deeds of our body.God bless .

[@rodalmond8210]

Excellent excellent excellent! Where are all the good Bible teachers today? We have a famine of the word and the famine of people who know how to read the plane text and find out what God says not what man wants it to say. Thank you

[@jubileeYAVEL]

A large majority of the saints that are gifted in teaching are being crippled. They are being told that there is a pastor and laymen. They can go to seminary school or sit in pews

[@jubileeYAVEL]

The saints are being hindered

[@cvetkojovcevski645]

i'm not ashamed to say i don't fully understand the glorious gospel of Christ and the mysteries of God.

[@rolandparfenovics5250]

Dr Hunt I know you are no longer with us but with the Lord but I just want to thank you and those would have put this on the internet. It helps so much to understand TULIPS. Calvinism is a non starter based on false premises one incorrect theology built upon another ? There is nothing limited about God. A child can understand the Gospel . A child can love Jesus and understand the Cross and how much Jesus loves them to die for their sins! A child can decide to live for Christ alone .....definitely. My grandchildren know and believe ! Grace is Gods gift to all believers. Perseverance sounds like works theology the works of Roman Catholicism. Faith ....your faith in Peter. Lovely teaching. Without faith it is impossible to please God. God that works in us ....Christ in you ...His glory in us. Aren’t we all saints ? The priesthood of all believers ? Baptism ....if you believe as Phillip said to the Ethiopian you can be baptised. Baby baptism Lutherism and Catholicism. The baby can’t believe yet ....? True. Everlasting life ...take Jesus at His Word.True again!

[@fernandoscrenci4874]

We can't test God!! But God has the right to test Us!!!

[@fernandoscreni7992]

A very good Study and discussion on Faith in the Words of God!!

[@overtcovert]

I love Dave Hunt❤️🙏✝️

[@billybynorth7467]

Of course now that I've accepted God I am of course one of God's elect. Glory glory hallelujah amen

[@tedbates1236]

I actually feel encouraged.

[@larryfarr]

Thank you very much for posting this.

[@JaneSmith0709]

He nails it within the first 5 minutes. Why would Satan bother trying to deceive anyone if the elect can't be lost and the non-elect can't be won? Whether Satan did anything or not we'd have the same results - the ones God elects will make it into heaven no matter what and the non-elect will go to hell no matter what. Why even bother preaching the Gospel at all then? Calvinism just doesn't make sense.

[@dannygillmusic]

Toni Harrison Agreed, Calvinism is absurd

[@marybeneke1543]

I agree. It doesn’t make much sense. Why would we be forced to believe in God? That’s not a loving God at all!!

[@klausmkl]

Satan is delusional just like his followers. He really is Gods useful idiot. The Lord is Sovereign over all. This whole thing is his show, always has been and always will be. Satan's thinking he can win has been seared into his intelligence and his arrogance blinds him. No One can defeat the Creator God, Jesus Christ. He won from the very first day. The folks who wind up in hell did it to themselves. Every person either accepts or rejects Christ. There will be no victims in hell.

[@evelynerazohernandez9354]

The Calvinist don't even know if they or their family members are saved..

[@stockinettestitch]

That’s exactly what I couldn’t get my head around either. “It just doesn’t make sense!!” However, I love listening to John MacArthur too, I divide my time up evenly between Dave Hunt and John MacArthur...it’s interesting to say the least.

[@oksills]

What an absolute treasure Dave Hunt was and continues to be by vid!How I miss him ! How is it that so very little of him was recorded? Is it rather that people are just not posting the vids they have? PLEASE, post all Dave Hunt that you have! Maranatha!

[@ChildofGod-q7j]

Thank u 4 posting Brother Hunt. Great teachings! Love 2 ALL!!

[@angeleyes9990]

It is too bad so many preachers have fallen by the wayside an made friends with the world preaching false doctrine sending people to hell..where are all the preachers like Dave hunt preaching truth an salvation

[@bettyglitter4760]

Thank you for this! Calvinism never made sense to me. They make salvation tooo complicated. It should be simple enuf for a child understand and accept.

[@L1AM_20_10]

Now with the lord, but one of the few true bible teachers that were speaking and teaching the bible as it is written, and not twisted like so many false pastors of today and it is becoming prolific in the church today. Be careful and watchful always keep praying fellow believers in christ.

[@anthonybardsley4985]

John Calvin was the protestant pope .

[@fernandoscrenci4874]

Yes!! The"chosen" will do God's Will !!!

[@tedbates1236]

God gives us bith: mercy and grace. Mercy is not getting what we deserve, that is judgment and hell. But He also gives us an undeserved blessing, that is eternal life in His presence. That is grace, getting what we do not deserve, heaven and blessing. So Dsvid Hunt seems to me to sat that God could of rescued us from hell, but He does not also have to give us becoming His children. God is amazing.

[@tedbates1236]

We have free will and because of that we are responsible for what we do. At the sametime God knows what we will do such that He is sovereign over all. When we are saved He has works He has prepared before hand for us to walk in. While we have free will, God is over and above, beyond what we can ask and think. It is both true that He gave us the ability to choose, to say yes or no and He has prepared things for us to do. He predestined us without violating our will. He wants us to come and He implores us to come, but He will not force us against our will.

[@idenhlm]

As I understand, if God calls , and we respond , we will be saved. ( God is calling us, God is calling all people to repentance)

[@cvetkojovcevski645]

the greatest command is to lover God with all your heart , mind , soul

[@johnnilan8240]

I thought T.U.L.I.P stood for The Uppity Lilliputian's In Protestantism. 🤣 Thank you Jonathan Swift.

[@terrencebrooks733]

what were Christians be fore Calvin came along ? he has been given to much applause for his take on salvation . God can operate how he wants to , He has his Elect , and he also gives out the call to whosoever come to him, he will in no wise cast out.

[@chasrime1]

By definition, sovereignty is not the control of everything within a domain. It is the authority of a state to govern itself or another state. God in His sovereignty predestined that all who believe in His Son will be heirs of eternal life. It is the election according to grace and salvation is by grace through faith. He has mercy on whom He wills and He has had mercy on all that we should obtain mercy.

[@dannygillmusic]

chasrime1 worded really well man, nice!

[@aservant2287]

God is just God. He knows who will be saved and who will reject. HE'S Alpha and Omega. Who has known the mind of the Lord or has been His teacher. He's in control of everything sti gives a free will to choose at the same time. My little mind can't explain a lot about God, like how He keeps everybody's heart beating at the same, or what holds an atom together, etc. If God made us any smarter we would think we wouldn't need HIM. Look at satan. He was created to be the best and one point he was. I'm glad of the scripture that says He has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.

[@AmericaineAParis]

"Who went through the Red Sea? All of them." THAT'S RIGHT!

[@joseph-k4e]

Thank You Jesus.

[@CWM]

Amen !

[@JeSsE-qe5tl]

Can we all learn something from John Westly and George Whitefield? These two were brothers in Christ, both of them had revival and both held different views hallelujah

[@shredhed572]

People are aware of the horrible persecution by the Roman church......be rarely do we hear of the same horrible persecution by the Calvinist church upon true belivers

[@billoliver5242]

I love this

[@wonderfilled6048]

Anybody who goes through all the trouble of adopting a child and then as soon as the child makes a mistake takes them back to the orphanage isn’t worth being a parent. God doesn’t treat His children that way. Once His always His. Jesus came to show us what we would endure as children of The Most High. We have an example of how to live to Glorify our Father in Heaven.

[@kimberleerivera7062]

Glory To GOD!!!

[@billybynorth7467]

I love Dave hunt. The book of John talks of every man that comes into the world and the light, the true light that lighteths every man. So therefore God chose us, each and every one of us. It goes on to say each one of us chooses to accept or reject. Those that accept God then gives them power to become sons of God. So the question of God's pre ordained elect is a nonsense, if that's what calvinism is about. I don't know or care frankly . Amen

[@kevinramsey239]

Calvinism is an attack on the true gospel

[@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676]

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. 1 Peter 5:12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand. 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. 1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

[@chrisking6874]

Jesus's blood is a big problem for John Macarthur!

[@mchevalier-seawell4438]

John McArthu has a lot of problems. I have seen him drop words from the text in order for it to agree with him. I don’t ever watch him. And then there is what was done to Mrs. Gray and her children. Horrible abuse.

[@torhhunshammer]

Those who like the video should remember to like the video by press the likes-thumb under the You-Tube video, giving much greater scattering effect, which is very important, more important than we even understand with our mind ... actually bigger positive results for eternity and the kingdom of God! Remember to share the video on as many social media as possible, often join a number of different social media sites if necessary, and not just share their own PUBLIC page, but please send more private to, for example, e-mail and others' social sites media, such as private pages and public pages where several are members of the same Facebook page and other social media. Don't be lukewarm in the eagerness, but properly ignited up in the Spirit inside of you! INFINITE IMPORTANT!

[@joshportie]

You can have both free will and predestination. God exists outside of time.

[@tedb2152]

Agree. Our theology must accommodate all Scriptural teaching, even if we have difficulty reconciling it. eg. "The Trinity".

[@irenemaitland9318]

The Bible teaches both God's sovereignty in electing man to salvation and man's responsibility .

[@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE]

I've heard it explained that 'predestination' can be compared to having a reservation at a restaurant that was made for you, based on your acceptance of an invite to a dinner party.

[@craigoverall1126]

Love the Berean Call! Acts 17 v11

[@hisayumi]

Exactly!

[@ConniePRusso]

Right! So why should a Calvinist commit to man (a church) - funny that Calvinist pastors have big churches for a god that could reject them and their whole congregation….

[@Bless-the-Name]

The Three Pillars As you may know: the word apocalypse means "revealing of that which is hidden". The sources of information, in this world, will reveal nothing unless you are aware of some basic facts that allows the Holy Spirit to guide you toward fullness in understanding. Some are already aware of these things - but I'll clarify them for those who are unaware or unsure. These basic facts including: 1) The Truth about Sin 2) The Nature of Reality 3) The Name of the Most High The Truth About Sin The scripture tells: us God warned Adam to not partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil - because it was lethal to the soul. This can be clarified as: Tree = source of information Knowledge of good = truth Knowledge of evil = lies Fruit = doctrines / theories etc Partake = digest and believe Sin = delusion (spiritual death) Sin is described as"missing the mark" in scripture because this is when a soul seeks to justify wicked behavior (using excuses that are of a delusional nature). This is to say: the scripture is primarily concerned with the development of spiritual children (which means it is an attitude adjustment handbook). To be in sin is the same as saying: a person has embraced a state of delusion in which they convince themselves they are righteous or chosen or anointed etc. Therefore, we must take care not to digest and believe anything that has the mixture of lies and truth. The Nature of Reality All of reality has been established in duality - from the moment God created the Heaven and the Earth all the way through to modern day where people are double-minded. Indeed, the duality is everywhere - so we are subjected to philosophies, ideas, doctrines, theories, religions that all contain the mixture of lies and truth to some degree. Duality In Scripture The Word of God is like a double edge sword, having duality, that can be interpreted correctly or incorrectly depending of the attitude of the reader. Yahusha told us He spoke plainly - so we can learn how to use the sword effectively (after we appreciate the duality in scripture). For example, the scripture says Mary was found to be with child before they came together. This can mean: 1) before Joseph and Mary had sex or 2) before Joseph and Mary were married Those who study the scripture with perfect humility will come to understand: Joseph was visited by an angel twice (for different reasons) - and this will reveal the correct interpretation. Duality In Science Delusion is defined as, an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument. Who decides what is an idiosyncratic belief? Well ... science has claimed authority on the subject of what is regarded legitimate belief or idiosyncratic belief - because it has established the mechanism for scientific enquiry which is considered scrupulous. Science achieved this by integrating the following idioms: 1) Science does not deal in proofs. 2) Theories are "provisional truths". 3) Science is self-correcting. These phrases are paradoxical. An institution that does not deal in proofs is a religion that deals in beliefs - that may be legitimate or idiosyncratic. A theory 'provisional truth' is an idea that is accepted as factual (legitimate belief) until falsified (as an idiosyncratic belief). The phrase "self-correcting" means science is aware its beliefs may be idiosyncratic - but they are considered legitimate until falsified. This means: science is perpetuating a faith in every theory being legitimate - until they are falsified as idiosyncratic. In other words: science fosters theories that contain accurate and inaccurate information - with the reassurance the process of proofing roots out error. This "reassurance" leads people to accept unproven theories as "provisional truths" and arguments, within the scientific community, should include determining the difference between direct and indirect evidence. Duality: In Conclusion Scripture has duality which can lead the haughty to create false doctrines - that contain truth and lies. Science has a methodology that allows the biased to create idiosyncratic beliefs - that contain accurate and inaccurate information. Both of these have caused delusion. This is not to say scripture is the tree of knowledge of good and evil - but it has a duality that allows people (trees) to set roots and preach false doctrines. Likewise, science has taken a path toward creating theories that exalt ancient mystery religion - where people (trees) set roots to preach idiosyncratic beliefs. In short ... people have established institutions (religions) using science and / or scripture incorrectly to assert their own understanding as truth. The point is: these things, I have spoken of, are drawing attention to the fact - many things have been hidden - specifically for the last generation to acclimate and embrace the apocalypse. The Name of the Most High The Name of the Most High is said to be unutterable and ineffable - not because we are not allowed to speak it - but because it cannot be spoken. It can only be observed in the way we abound in the love of Christ - which means it is exemplified by walking in perfect humility before the Father. The scripture tells us we are to place the Name in the forehead - which is to give first consideration toward the manifestation of the Hallowed Name (just as Yáhusha did before us - re. John 17:6) - to avoid creating any kind of religion. He told us to love one another as He loves us so the Father may know He (Yáhusha) loves the Father in Heaven. Indeed ... there is no need for any religiosity - when we emulate Yahusha. Placing the Name in the forehead includes taking care to avoid anything that contains the mixture of lies and truth. This requires effort and practice to master - because we need to take care with our thoughts as well as our deeds. This brings me to my final word: Beware the leaven of the Pharisees, which is (basically) a Messiah Complex, because it convinces a soul it is annointed to preach the Word of God. This is a highly specialised occupation in which it is easy to stumble and cause others to stray. The sword is given to those who seek to circumcise their own hearts - rather than engage in theological debate or deliver heartfelt sermons. The elect, who graciously accept the gift of life, have nothing to prove - except they embrace the peace of our Lord and Saviour. It is wiser to elevate the Word of God by recommending we study the scripture in perfect humility - while demonstrating perfect humility in our ways - than run the risk of making mistakes when explaining scripture. By all means: sow seeds - but let the Holy Spirit bring a fellow servant to full understanding. On that note ... I offer you (all) my heartfelt blessings as we seek the Kingdom of Heaven - and I would appreciate any prayers you may have for me. Bless ❤️ The Name

[@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676]

Haggai Chapter 2 1In the seventh month, in the one and twentieth day of the month, came the word of the LORD by the prophet Haggai, saying, 2Speak now to Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest, and to the residue of the people, saying, 3Who is left among you that saw this house in her first glory? and how do ye see it now? is it not in your eyes in comparison of it as nothing? 4Yet now be strong, O Zerubbabel, saith the LORD; and be strong, O Joshua, son of Josedech, the high priest; and be strong, all ye people of the land, saith the LORD, and work: for I am with you, saith the LORD of hosts: 5According to the word that I covenanted with you when ye came out of Egypt, so my spirit remaineth among you: fear ye not. 6For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; 7And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts. 8The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts. 9The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts. 10In the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet, saying, 11Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ask now the priests concerning the law, saying, 12If one bear holy flesh in the skirt of his garment, and with his skirt do touch bread, or pottage, or wine, or oil, or any meat, shall it be holy? And the priests answered and said, No. 13Then said Haggai, If one that is unclean by a dead body touch any of these, shall it be unclean? And the priests answered and said, It shall be unclean. 14Then answered Haggai, and said, So is this people, and so is this nation before me, saith the LORD; and so is every work of their hands; and that which they offer there is unclean. 15And now, I pray you, consider from this day and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD: 16Since those days were, when one came to an heap of twenty measures, there were but ten: when one came to the pressfat for to draw out fifty vessels out of the press, there were but twenty. 17I smote you with blasting and with mildew and with hail in all the labours of your hands; yet ye turned not to me, saith the LORD. 18Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. 19Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you. 20And again the word of the LORD came unto Haggai in the four and twentieth day of the month, saying, 21Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth; 22And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother. 23In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts.

[@OrangeMonkey2112]

Great point on the sovereignty of God. If Predestination is the way Calvinist suggest then why does scripture say “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:3-4, God wouldn’t desire “ALL MEN” be saved. It would make no sense. Dave Hunt IS a great teacher. I can’t even listen to John McArthur. Nowhere in scripture am I called to be a catholic, Protestant, Calvinist, Lutheran, nor any other man made religion. I am called to be a disciple of Jesus Christ. The reformation WAS NEEDED because the Roman Catholic Church had become so pagan and preaches mysticism instead of True Scripture that God made the break for us, but here are all these men acting like the pope. Quit placing limits on scripture. Use it within its context and it always says the same thing. Men change the context to suit their small brains. Dave Hunt is much like Dr. Chuck Missler. Great work brother Hunt.

[@jesuscastanares4968]

DON'T THINK OF THOSE THINGS THAT MUCH. GIVE PEACE TO YOUR MIND.

[@jmwSeattle]

Calvin was the last person in the world who would’ve been a so-called Calvinist or espoused something so absurd as Calvinism. These so-called Calvinists are like the Roman Catholic clerics of the Middle Ages who debated how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. These “Calvinists” are pretty close to modern day Pharisees who are carried away and made mad by their “great learning,” whereas they’ve completely forgot first principles and are like jazz musicians who go beyond what ordinary people can understand and appreciate and often wind up dooming themselves to an early death. The “Calvinists” on the other hand just become crotchety old men dithering in meaningless abstractions having long lost remembrance of Christ’s teachings. A more little known ilk of ill repute are the Bullingerites who only steep themselves in the teachings of Paul. As for myself, I have thoroughly read through The Institutes on two occasions forty years apart and found no Calvinism therein but I am a rather simpleton who understands very little as I should and have no standing therefore to contend with such a lofty group as “Calvinists.” They have made an ideology out of Calvin’s expositions for which there is no basis just as the Roman Catholics have constructed Roman Catholism for which there is no basis either. Calvin was the last person in the world who would’ve been a so-called Calvinist or espoused something so absurd as Calvinism. These so-called Calvinists are like the Roman Catholic clerics of the Middle Ages who debated how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. These “Calvinists” are pretty close to modern day Pharisees who are carried away and made mad by their “great learning,” whereas they’ve completely forgot first principles and are like jazz musicians who go beyond what ordinary people can understand and appreciate and often wind up dooming themselves to an early death. The “Calvinists” on the other hand just become crotchety old men dithering in meaningless abstractions having long lost remembrance of Christ’s teachings. A more little known ilk of ill repute are the Bullingerites who only steep themselves in the teachings of Paul. I myself have thoroughly read through The Institutes on two occasions forty years apart and found no Calvinism therein but I am a rather simpleton who zunderstands very little as I should and have no standing therefore to contend with such a lofty group as “Calvinists.” They have developed an ideology out of Calvin’s brilliant expositions something like how without basis the Roman Catholics have developed their own ideology of sorts. Holy Scripture is both Divine revelation and the highest knowledge available to mankind. Don’t be perplexed that it has imponderables. What would you expect from writings beyond what ordinary man could conceive?

[@maratom34]

Hunt-ing the Whore of Babylon: Part I | Catholic Answers

[@jeffreybroeker579]

If you're truly interested in this topic, you ought to listen to steve Lawson. There is absolutely another side of this coin, and study to discover which one is MORE Biblical. God conceals a matter, it is for you to discover the truth.

[@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676]

Haggai Chapter 1 1In the second year of Darius the king, in the sixth month, in the first day of the month, came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet unto Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest, saying, 2Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, This people say, The time is not come, the time that the LORD'S house should be built. 3Then came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet, saying, 4Is it time for you, O ye, to dwell in your cieled houses, and this house lie waste? 5Now therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways. 6Ye have sown much, and bring in little; ye eat, but ye have not enough; ye drink, but ye are not filled with drink; ye clothe you, but there is none warm; and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. 7Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways. 8Go up to the mountain, and bring wood, and build the house; and I will take pleasure in it, and I will be glorified, saith the LORD. 9Ye looked for much, and, lo, it came to little; and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it. Why? saith the LORD of hosts. Because of mine house that is waste, and ye run every man unto his own house. 10Therefore the heaven over you is stayed from dew, and the earth is stayed from her fruit. 11And I called for a drought upon the land, and upon the mountains, and upon the corn, and upon the new wine, and upon the oil, and upon that which the ground bringeth forth, and upon men, and upon cattle, and upon all the labour of the hands. 12Then Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest, with all the remnant of the people, obeyed the voice of the LORD their God, and the words of Haggai the prophet, as the LORD their God had sent him, and the people did fear before the LORD. 13Then spake Haggai the LORD'S messenger in the LORD'S message unto the people, saying, I am with you, saith the LORD. 14And the LORD stirred up the spirit of Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and the spirit of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest, and the spirit of all the remnant of the people; and they came and did work in the house of the LORD of hosts, their God, 15In the four and twentieth day of the sixth month, in the second year of Darius the king.

[@mrnoedahl]

It is not a matter of being good enough to remain a Christian; it is a matter of keeping the faith. We can leave or shipwreck our faith. 2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. You did what? No Paul you had absolutely nothing to do with keeping your faith. Sounds just like Calvinism.

[@jenonika966]

I love his teachings but he was mistaken on the word believe in the Lord. To believe it is much more than an acknowledgment, or a mental agreement with the Word. Paul says I believe therefore I said. To me to believe means to follow the Lord (obedience) to the Lord. I can not call him Lord if I am not his servant. I accept as my Lord and savior. The Lord not too long time ago told me if you do not let me in your life to be your Lord I can not be your savior either. The same person! Faith without works is a dead faith that does NO any good to any, will save no one. Yes, Jesus is the savior but I must believe that and act on it (because I believe that will manifest). Jesus said those who love me keep MY commandments. Not the 10 commandments! Not talking about to do the law, my faith in Jesus motivates me to obey him to keep his Word. My problem people say they believe but there are no fruits or any change in their life, that is the lie of the devil. Calvinist are very messed up! Blessing to all.

[@tyronegooch5251]

Apply that to the thief on the cross. Doesn't work. The Ethiopian eunich. Doesn't work. The jailer. Doesn't work. What you said doesn't work. Even the couple who lied to Peter about the money they had given in acts were believers. They were killed for lying to the Holy Spirit because they were God's disciples. They still were save.

[@darryld.8616]

It was funny when Dave Hunt was on a radio show with James White and James asked Dave if he had some traditions and Dave answered back "no". That's when James said, "Then you have the most traditions." Ha. Yep, Dave had many traditions as do the ones who believe in human freewill to make their own choice of the gospel. Dave Hunt was unfortunately bent against proper soteriology in that God has chosen from all eternity who will be saved. Dave's favorite passage which he constantly brings up is John 3:16 claiming it teaches that "whosoever" means that anyone can come to Christ even though the same writer John in just 3 chapters later says no one can come to me unless the Father draws him and I will raise him up on the last day speaking of everlasting life. It is funny how the freewillers and provisionists will say these weird, man-made ideas while the Bible says the exact opposite.

[@wonderfilled6048]

No man comes to God except those that God reveals himself to! Peter wasn’t any better or more spiritual than the other disciples. He was the one who declared Jesus was the son of God because it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit of God. Hence Jesus’s reply “ flesh and blood has not revealed this to you “. So salvation is available for all men but only those who He chose before the foundation of the world will He reveal Himself to. The others He blinded. I believe believers should shun evil and repent continuously throughout the course of their journeys here on Earth. But I also believed in being saved and sealed. Once delivered from sin your transgressions are faults and not sin. But everyone who declares they are born again isn’t being truthful. We see people who are reprobate because when they knew better they CHOSE not to believe.

[@flamingooneleg77]

So let me get this straight, man can have a choice about who can get saved but God can't? You mean to tell me that you think you will be in heaven because of what you did. How much pride do you need for that? Let me help everyone out. We all at least know that God Chose Jesus as the means for salvation, or was it God and man? Did the 11+ 1 Apostles chose God or did they chose God? They didn't, Jesus chose them. But what happen to Judas? Exactly, he was chosen too. But didn't Judas go to hell, and the Apostles to heaven? Yes. Did the 11 chose to get to heaven, or is John 15:16 true? Did Judas chose to go to hell? No one would ever chose to go to hell, they had no choice because everyone is going to hell, no one can ever ever get saved or get to heaven. Why? Because it imposable. Try it, your going to hell, let me see how you can escape from going to hell. Let me see, who are you going tell you want to make your chose to get saved. It's not God, your a sinner on your way to hell. God doesn't hear sinners. God knows everyone person that was ever born is going to hell, all 8 billion. If everyone is going to hell and God being God want's to save who ever He want's to save, should we complain because He wanted to have mercy on who ever He wanted to have mercy on? I mean after all someone has to be God. This is what everyone is debating about. If God had mercy on some that means He's not having mercy on others and that means He chose those to go to hell. But heres what everyone is missing. If the Word say's God has His elect. Then He has He's elect. He's God. He can. Example, of all the nations God chose Israel, or did Israel chose God? Of all the people He chose you, but you want more proof, so you being a fallen man that might have a little bit of pride want some credit so you say I chose to get saved. Guess what. God helped you by sending someone He chose to tell you He also chose you and because He had mercy on you and He want's you to be with Him, He doesn't mind that you think you had something to do with it. At the same time there's others that are saying, they are so glad God chose them because they would of never chose Him. But what about those that end up in hell? Here's the answer to that, what are you doing about that? And, aren't you glad your not God? Here's everyones problem, there either a Calvinism or an Arminanism. Then there's Me/ Ha!

[@flamingooneleg77]

This was the best comment ever. You got to read the whole thing.

[@tyronegooch5251]

What you said made absolutely NO sense. Glad you penned that under a fake name. Sheesh.

[@kevinramsey2636]

one thing for sure the Holy Spirit would never teach Calvinism.calvinism is an attack on the gospel of Christ

[@SandyFerguson-o8z]

There is a third group. That is a Bible believer that is not in either camp. Stop labeling people with man made distinctions.

[@jeffreybroeker579]

Or better yet, listen to what John Calvin himself has said, as opposed to what other men say he said You can find a wealth of his sermons, and his defining work, "Institutes of the Christian Religion" right here on KZbin. Listen for yourself and see if these things are so instead of listening to people engage in ad hominem attacks, which is the mark of one that cannot argue on the merits of a claim. Good luck

[@tyronegooch5251]

Calvin was a murderer. Had people killed because of their beliefs. Or better disagreed with him. Total heretic. Sounds just like Islam to me. Who would believe someone like that? I guess that "do unto others what you would have them do unto you" somehow slipped his mind..Or I guess was only for the elect according to John Calvin.

[@djohnson3093]

Don't listen to what other people say about what calvin said? Then proceed to steer people to a video about what calvin really said? 🤔🤦‍♂️

[@blazersaint144]

I really like Dave Hunt but this is a weak argument and a misinterpretation of "Calvinism". The fact is the book of life was written from the foundation of the world, before anyone was born, let alone "born again". Paul clearly states "God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy" and who are we to argue with His plan. If God did not forcibly intervene none of us would get saved , NONE. No one chooses to "get saved" from a unregenerate condition as the carnal mind is at enmity with God and can never choose His way.

[@dannygillmusic]

It’s your response to the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Romans 8 does not say that the carnal mind cannot choose Gods way, it says that the carnal mind “is not subject to the laws of God, neither indeed can be”. A carnal mind is not in the spirit (the opposite).

[@blazersaint144]

@@dannygillmusic "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, NEITHER CAN IT BE." Yes it certainly does say the carnal mind cannot choose God or be subjected to Gods law period" neither CAN it be" As in cant happen. The carnal mind literally cannot choose God. Its like asking a pig to fly..

[@dannygillmusic]

Blazersaint I’m sorry BUT the verse does not say that the carnal mind can not recognize the need for God and choose him, you just inserted that into the verse. That’s called private interpretation. “Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord we PERSUADE men” 2. Corinthians 5:11

[@blazersaint144]

@@dannygillmusic um what part of "neither CAN IT BE" do you not understand?

[@blazersaint144]

@@dannygillmusic LOL you are agreeing with me in distension. Sorry but your argument is absurd. If you can make sense, I'm all ears.

[@tedb2152]

Dave Hunt is/was one of the best. But I find his disparaging remarks re. the study of Greek, to be very disappointing. All Bibles come to us via imperfect fallen vessels. The original languages are the closest that we can get to the pure “Word of God”. Thanks to the abundance of on-line resources freely available to us today, it is a relatively straight forward matter to examine photo copies of actual manuscripts such as those few used by Erasmus. Then, to translate individual verses using Strongs or other concordance. The results can be surprising, even disturbing. To instead entirely trust the work of any fallible translator, is similar to the trust expected by the Catholic Church. It is not “Berean”, especially for teachers of the Word.

[@johanwelman8476]

although this man's knowledge of the bible is extensive, his comments about calvinism shows that he has never read Romans 9, Scripture also teaches that no one is seeking after God, Jesus said we do not accept the light because we cannot.

[@dannygillmusic]

Actually Jesus said in John 3:16 - 20 that men LOVED darkness rather than the light because their deeds are evil. He said men don’t come to the light because they don’t want their deeds exposed, he didn’t say that they could not, but that they do not. The scripture that says no man seeks after God is not saying that it is impossible for man to seek God (as that would contradict the promise of “if you seek me you find me”) he is simply saying that no one is born righteous, no one was dropped out of heaven seeking, doing, and desiring God’s will.

[@Madhatter675]

Danny Gill well stated danny my man, they quote certain verses and most often forget he context of the verse.

[@apostasywatch8473]

I agree Danny, but context means the whole Bible, not just one verse. Jesus said - no man can come to me unless the Father draws him.

[@jonathanfischer5292]

@@apostasywatch8473 Perfect example: That's John 6 - the key is verse 45: those who listened to the Father would be drawn by Him to the Son. It all fits brother - the Jews thought they were "in" because they were the chosen - the elect. Jesus here and elsewhere makes clear that if they were really listening to God and Moses, they would be drawn to the Son

[@geraldineburden6550]

Gentiles were grafted in when some Jews rejected Christ...Romans 11. Some Jews will come to Christ when they become jealous of the gentiles coming into their inheritance. In the last days more Jews will return to Israel... all part of God's plan. Praise God and thank you Jesus that we can pray to Our Father through you when we repent as we realise you took our sin on that cross. You a sinless man took ours though we didn't deserve such mercy. John 14.:):):)

[@andrewlucas266]

I am disappointed in this approach to dealing with such a subject by Dave Hunt. To commence a sermon on predestination by referring to the Koran as having a similar doctrine thereby implying it has similar origin is misleading to say the least. The Koran was compiled in the 600's and it may be said that Muhammad just copied the doctrine from the Scriptures and syncretized the Pauline teachings with his own, which is quite normal when you examine the Koran and its similarity with the OT. The use of the word TULIP to explain his theology was not John Calvin's or the Reformer's idea, it was the oppositions (Remonstrants) attempt to qualify the Reformers position in order to argue against it. They were Arminian like most of you who choose to discount the Sovereignity of our God. Instead of "jumping to conclusions" about "Calvinism" you would do well to examine the Scriptures as the noble Bereans did with Paul's teaching (Acts 17:11 ...... "... received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.") I must say that I held the same view in my younger years and found that my Christianity was dead and lifeless and I languished over praying for people's salvation. All I could do is hope they would accept the Lord Jesus as their Saviour as it was all to do with their will which basically was "dead in trespasses and sin". Might as well be talking to a dead person. It wasn't till one day I was made aware that they needed to be "raised from the dead" and that could only be accomplished through the mercy of God through Jesus our Lord and His Word.

[@unclanrhino]

That you were languishing in prayers for the unsaved is a good thing. That's what Paul did in Romans 9:1-4: "I speak the truth in Christ-- I am not lying... I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, the people of Israel." See also Romans 11. Interesting that the closer Paul got to Christ, the more his heart desired their salvation...that doesn't make much sense under Calvinism. Shouldn't his mind be conformed to God's will for the non-elect to be passed over?

[@dannypipes75]

You missed the whole point, he wasn’t saying that the Bible and The Koran came the same place. He’s saying the Calvinist doctrine and the Koran came from the same place.

[@tyronegooch5251]

He said the Calvanist doctrine of how God send people to heaven or hell is the same as Islam. Either it is or isn't. He didn't say anything about them being the same source. Granted they are both from Satan but hopefully you know that.

[@rosemaryhill8804]

Calvinism is Biblical Christianity. I loved, financially supported & heard Dave speak numerous times, but he's wrong about Reformed Theology. Regeneration by/through the Holy Spirit precedes faith.

[@aservant2287]

One question I always ask a Calvinist. If God has chosen some to go to Heaven and some for Hell. Isn't it possible that you're actually called to burn in Hell? If one can answer this biblically then we can look deeper. Sadly, Calvinist say they're saved by grace when their actions say that they're not even secure in their own salvation. So they do good works to prove that they're saved. " look at my good works I must be saved ". This is works salvation not a saved by grace through faith. There's many examples of people in scripture who have chosen to willfully walk away or that it's possible to choose to obey or disobey. Revelation 2=the church of Ephesus = return to your first love or I'll take away your lampstand, 2 Peter 2:22 like a dog turning to his own vomit, Romans 11:22= if you continue in MY goodness or be cut off, Hebrew 6 4-6 those who have tasted the Lord and have been saved a willfully walk cause they bring an open shame to the Lord it is impossible to renew them again. In order for it to be possible to renewed one has to be in first. Common sense. Bless your heart. I tell you this cause I love you

[@carmenvljn]

Can you give one Scripture verse that says you are born again prior to believing on Jesus Christ? No, of course you can't because it's heresy.

[@abetong214]

Mr. Dave Hunt is bit too dogmatic and arrogant.

[@perzetterberg4772]

Misrepresenting Calvinism

[@tyronegooch5251]

I agree. He went to easy on these heretics. John Calvin had people murdered, hung even. Burned. Very vile evil man.

[@therealgoodnews4804]

"Man" is to be blamed" for evil in the world, etc.?? Praise "man" then. Seems to me that the One Who is the Source of all things, the One Who actually created "evil" on purpose, would be the One responsible for all things. You are thinking a bit too highly of "man", of His Creation. It is the Potter that has made and caused these things, not the clay.

[@kevinramsey2636]

God doesn't cause rape murder adultery that's of the devil that's why the god of Calvinism is a monster

[@wonderfilled6048]

Anybody who goes through all the trouble of adopting a child and then as soon as the child makes a mistake takes them back to the orphanage isn’t worth being a parent. God doesn’t treat His children that way. Once His always His. Jesus came to show us what we would endure as children of The Most High. We have an example of how to live to Glorify our Father in Heaven.

[@dannygillmusic]

Wonder Filled sorry but that’s a misrepresentation/misunderstanding of the “lose your salvation” argument (I prefer the term “forfeit your salvation”). We don’t believe God will change his mind about saving you because you make a mistake. We are saying that you retain the ability to turn away from God, and that you can still choose to reject him after having accepted him. You can forfeit your salvation through willful sin (not a mistake, living in sin, backsliding). “For if after they have ESCAPED the pollutions of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are AGAIN entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness, than, after they HAVE KNOWN IT, to TURN from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the TRUE proverb, the dog is TURNED to his own vomit AGAIN; and the sow that WAS WASHED to her wallowing in the mire” - 2 Peter 2:20 - 22 We are not talking about an accident or mistake, we are taking about a willful rebellion.

[@wonderfilled6048]

Danny Gill God knew who would accept and reject Him before the foundation of the world. Those whom He foreknew are sealed. It’s not that complicated. Of course man has free will but God provided a plan b for man before Adam sinned because although Adam might not have known what would take place, God did so the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. If you reject Him it’s because you never belonged to Him. He knows the end from the beginning. All that are His will endure until the end. God knows where the prodigal will wander and just what it takes to make them return. The problem is people standing as if they have a salvation to give. We have a message to give offering people a blessed hope and that’s about it. It is the simplicity of the gospel that is being muddied and over complicated. We may plant and water but God only can give the increase. There is a number and that number does not fluctuate from day to day. It is settled in Heaven. The gospel will continue to be preached and souls will be saved. Paul prayed a prayer for his brethren that were “ yet in the world “ because it’s just a matter of time until they hear the gospel and realize that they are sons and just didn’t know it until the spirit bore witness through the preaching of the gospel.

[@MrBazinthenow]

@@dannygillmusic Could you give an example of this wilful rebellion and how you would know it was a Christian?

[@dannygillmusic]

MrBazinthenow yes absolutely! Ananias and sapphira in the book of acts WILLFULLY withheld back a portion of the land and lied to the Holy Spirit. The 5 of the 7 churches in Revelation were rebellious in one way or another (most notably leodicea) and were commanded to repent. The Corinthian church was caught up into fornication. 2 Peter 2:20 tells us that it is possible to “escape the corruption of this world through the knowledge of Jesus Christ” and “become entangled again therein” (among other verses). Also Galatians 6:9, which is often quoted for other things, when taken in context is referring to receiving our reward. “7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that Soweto to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” Galatians 6:7-9

[@MrBazinthenow]

@@dannygillmusic Could you explain how your not working for your salvation please ?