Predestination, Holiness, and Science: Seven Minute Seminary

[@pfwindham]

God is outside of time!! Whatever happens- God has decreed to come to pass!! Or else He is not God! You misrepresent predestination completely. God predestines according to his good pleasure. This is all throughout the Scriptures that he does whatever he pleases. You’re a theologian and you don’t know this?????

[@calvinpeterson9581]

Does this include sin, because scripture says many times God hates sin and takes no pleasure in it, against his will, has pure eyes, etc.

[@AdamSmith-ec5nv]

Can you provide scriptural citations for your top three assertions? Of course God does whatever he pleases. This doesn't mean that he does everything nor that everything pleases him. This is also all through scripture.

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

Wesleyans see things differently than Calvinists, which is probably the difference you are seeing

[@evanbiter2138]

So what you are talking about is a reformed view. They believe you can't accept the Gospel without the Holy Spirit. I think Methodists are more on the end of we hear the Gospel, we respond, we accept it and then receive the Holy Spirit. The Gospel being spread is out of God's grace and couldn't be possible without Jesus doing literally everything but we have to choose to trust in Him. So when they see "predestined to be conformed" they see it as a phrase. We who accept the Gospel have been predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ

[@meganotofthisworld]

​@@evanbiter2138Wesleyans too believe in total depravity and that you can believe without the Holy Spirit (acting in prevenient grace). After that we receive the Holy Spirit (sanctifying grace).

[@karlstine2065]

Who cares. That’s above my pay grade.