Premium And Talisman Guide For Planes

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Outro: A.N.O. - Vanish
0:00 General pointers (to avoid confusion)
2:10 Silver lion grinders (all nations)
5:33 USA (forgot the A2D, probably S to A rank too)
23:27 Germany
39:09 Russia
50:47 Britain
1:01:33 Japan
1:09:41 China
1:14:29 Italy
1:19:15 France
1:24:31 Sweden
1:28:30 Israel
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[@DEFYN]

Decal/discount code: store.gaijin.net/catalog.php?category=WarThunder&partner=DEFYN&partner_val=c56e1lgp

[@HoLdThiS_Lz]

Whats the code?

[@DEFYN]

Just buy what you need through the link and it auto applies

[@Hack3r_Dapp]

opinions on the british harrier GR1? SRAAMS?

[@Trennerd]

Where i can find the decal cant find it in store

[@DEFYN]

@@Trennerd you get it with the purchase its not seperate

[@kuppis22]

Watched the whole video, now I'm ready to buy all rank 1 premiums for britain

[@billrobert3226]

I can't wait to buy the su39!

[@viciousslayer]

this is a really good format, way more comprehensive than for the other years where you just pointed to icons. even though it does come with all the normal drawbacks of a tier list, you get to at least point people to a singular timestamp.

[@jetnavigator]

VERY IMPORTANT point for people to note! In this update, base bombing has become severely limited due to the introduction of long base respawns. If you're thinking of buying a premium to grind by bombing, this is no longer a viable method!!

[@viciousslayer]

@@jetnavigator you say this like its a bad thing

[@jetnavigator]

​@@viciousslayerso you think it's a good thing that people waste their money? OK. Sorry you had a bad day or whatever it was that made you feel that way.

[@viciousslayer]

@@jetnavigator bombing does not contribute to the match nor is it entertaining gameplay. Yes, it should be nowhere near as powerful as it is. Its an afk grinding tool.

[@jaysonnunley6602]

maybe its not entertaining to you but i love the hell out of it@@viciousslayer

[@cameronporter5137]

The Mirage F1CT's radar is functionally identical to the F1C's, the main difference now is that instead of a old 4 direction RWR the F1C and F1C-200 have, it has an RWR very similar to the Mirage 2000's which I think makes it slightly better than the regular F1C

[@mapa5208]

there that and also for grinding it's very good since you can carry enough for doing 2 base without sacrificing any good missiles (the magic 2) and it doesn't reduce your top speed like a F4

[@dawidkiller]

we just've been gajined

[@FumbleSquid]

It's good they made the XP-55 tier 3 so there is more of a reason to fly it than fun. If people are wanting a US tier 3 that isn't braindead like the XP-50, I would recommend it because it basically doesn't compress and has amazing energy retention too. One of my favorites (you should make a video on it btw)

[@DEFYN]

Yeah i agree I was planning on it already :^)

[@bradenhagen7977]

You may want to fly it again. At almost exactly 400mph IAS it bricks HARD. That said it's a wonderful plane.

[@FumbleSquid]

@@bradenhagen7977 Not sure what you are talking about. Just tested it and it pulls 10g at 800kph, 11 at 750, and 13 at 700. The only thing that isn't great is the roll rate

[@sussinhardrn1048]

Quick note to add on the Yak-3 (VK-107): If youre using MEC to try to keep the engine from boiling itself into a liquid, setting the prop pitch down to even like 98-95% DRASTICALLY reduces the heat. Enough to run WEP for basically the entire match.

[@reinbeers5322]

Same story as the Ki-61-Is, cut a bit of prop pitch and you can WEP the entire game.

[@luquai]

Thank you very much defyn! You videos are such a treat for the WT community

[@sawtoothchris249]

Love a long format video from the best WT CC! Keep being exceptional sir!

[@hylkon1]

such a great and short, but comprehensive video, can't wait for the next one! >:)

[@Martellus89]

Great guide Def! Appreciate your efforts!

[@OvercastCoob]

Gonna keep it short, but thanks Defyn, really. Have been around lurking for quite a bit, originally due to wanting to learn air after ages spent on ground, but eventually stuck for the content and humour itself. Your insights are quite appreciated

[@joashkurien7400]

Like the new format! Don't mind the longer video since there are timestamps. Thank you very much for the guide.

[@dakotahondalock5621]

0:46 as expected of Defyn, giving the best content in perfect format

[@DeInHo77]

Awesome vid, lots of useful information in it for me and other pilots. Small correction- the Ayit in the Israeli tree is an A-4N, not an A-4E, which means its engine is WAY better than the E model skyhawks. And you’re absolutely correct that it’s the best 9.3 in the game, lol

[@meesteri]

Thank you Master Defyn for guiding us mere mortals through this time of big spending.

[@erinian1703]

This is the kind of a video i was looking for for a while.

[@cheemgames]

1:26:22 to see defyn's impression of a car

[@piotra71]

Best ever guide to the tech trees. I'm coming back to it all the time to see what planes are worth flying.

[@EdgeR2]

I'm about to see Defyn in my dreams! Yipee!!!

[@AmogusInMyWalls]

The rot consumes...

[@Xiphactinus]

Stop sniffing glue mr kit hoarder

[@aaronho1914]

It was funny when I played so many games in the F4 ADTW in Japan tree for the last star event and eventually started to get decent in it as you learn what fights you can try to take to slap other players. But it indeed very much feels like it kinda depends on your team not all dying right away so that you can lurk around to kill.

[@trunglephong585]

Thank you. This help me a lot

[@carlosruiz-herrera3836]

Thanks for your work

[@kamilksiezyk9813]

Great video!

[@VaginaDestroyer69]

This is the best Buyer's Guide from any of the WT CC"s. I love how you compartmentalised and categorised everything in meticulous detail. Thanks for another great guide, DEFYN.

[@tkg__]

American Zero is also a great SL grinder and a nice alternative to boom-n-zoom XP-50. And it’s now a Rank 3.

[@fudomeiyo]

Thanks DEFYN for making my decision much easier on purchasing prem planes. Now even got your decal to put on it.

[@ukaszbogacz522]

I enjoy your content very much sir.

[@No1harris_98]

Tbh for Britain I’d honestly recommend the F4J if you have experience at top tier, I did pick it up in the sale and I’ve been honestly loving it, plus the amount of head on kills I got with the skyflash is very nice.

[@lizardjuice1585]

same thing, its hard to get used to it but when you see the pattern and use the tactic it can be very profitable, I got 3 games in a row whit 30k RP and 100K sl

[@_ace_defective_]

Not like Britain has much else lol. I haven't gotten to that part of the video yet, but the F-4J(UK) is just an F-4J at the same BR but without the HMD or AIM-7Fs, but with a Vulcan. The lack of 7Fs or something like the Skyflash SuperTEMP sucks.

[@No1harris_98]

@@_ace_defective_ tbh in my experience the Skyflashes have been great. Just preference tbh, HMD isnt all that useful with 18G missiles.

[@_ace_defective_]

@@No1harris_98 The Skyflashes IIRC are roughly equivalent to the AIM-7E-2 ingame. So they're okay but the F just has better range, tracking, sustained maneuverability, etc. - it's a huge upgrade. The HMD allows you to also lock your radar early for off-boresight Sparrow shots too and has niche uses with the 9Gs. So that's kind of why everyone shits on the F-4J(UK), it's a downgrade from the F-4J which is a downgrade from the F-4S - all at the same BR. At least it isn't the F-4EJ.

[@No1harris_98]

@@_ace_defective_ yeah that is also true but the Skyflashes just feel more responsive especially in 2 or so km head launch even tho that are essentially the same as the E-2.

[@ayacu578]

Thanks!

[@updog5599]

fastest hour and a half of my life, these types of vids r like meditation :3

[@WonkieNJ]

1:01:45 I FEEL SO VALIDATED. High tier Japan grind is the Sabre, then nothing but absolute suffering til the F16.

[@chayforster5138]

T-2 is the best plane in that tree its amazing and fun

[@dylparl6057]

​@@chayforster5138it's 9.7 without flares. Nothing about the experience is fun.

[@paktahn]

the 104j is good if you learn how to use it properly and just got a buff by way of the ability to use 6 missiles over the previous 4 although i would only carry 5 and a rocket pod to spoof head on all aspects

[@vBuckingham]

As someone who just unlocked rank 6 and is currently researching the T-2 I'm not looking forward to it. Only good thing (if you can even put it that way) is that you can research the F-16 directly with the F-1. But still, no flares...

[@dylparl6057]

@@paktahn I use the rocket pod all the time, trust me - it still sucks. It's not a good plane at 10.3, and may god have mercy on your soul if you even sniff an uptier

[@sdghtjsdcgs]

I own 8 F2G-1s. Bought them when they were like 4 bucks, they're about $25 now.

[@lunarpking]

I considered doing that and really wish I had, just free money really.

[@ahmadjavedaj]

I love the condensed version of the video which is somehow longer than the regular version

[@Budkitkat]

I'm still waiting for the day they finally give the xp 50 an airfield spawn.

[@poliznia]

Never. Hope it stays that way

[@BerserkerLuke]

​@@polizniaat least you openly admit you're biased for an OP plane.

[@lilunz]

I have actually had a fair amount of success with the J-7D, though I say that as a somewhat ok pilot who has also completed the USSR tech tree and is used to flying a lot of MiG-21s. I think the addition of the 12.3 bracket reduced the amount of uptiers into 12.0 for the 11.0 jets, making it a bit more doable.

[@Robalogot]

This is brilliant, wish someone as knowledgeable would do this for ground

[@darthbader6506]

Streamlined AND longer, perfect

[@MatchingUser]

Bought the SU-11, very happy with my purchase. Thanks for the guide!

[@tsd_ju7084]

At last... I was so glad when the outro dropped, so I could finally go to bed.

[@iedsurvivor4665]

wow another buyers guide by DEFYN

[@Badger_325]

love the format and the video was amazing, my only issue was with the placement of the American F-84G. You're right about it consistently going against 8.3 jets but if you bring rockets on the wingtips and then dump them at the beginning of the match, on min fuel you can confidently go up against those 8.3s. If the F-84G gets it's tier or below there's really no aircraft that can keep up with you and you can dictate how dogfights play out. For me it's an easy A tier but I might just be biased xD

[@josneyzim6968]

In my oppinion, J-7E, J-8B and J-8F are the funniest jets to play on war thunder, the hard thing is only has 4 missiles on 11.0, but still a good planes to play on close combats at top tier, it´s a lot fun. I would put the booth 11.0 on A tier and J-8F on S

[@emilelerate6454]

In Italy the hs129 premium is worth the pickup if you want to criminally seal club biplanes. Got me all the Italian props very quickly.

[@dakotahondalock5621]

I watched the whole video and now I’m going to go to sleep, see you in my dreams Defyn :)

[@poisonis165]

Id add that the be-6 is an amazing silver lion printer as well guns allow you to consistently get atleast 2 kills a game and has enough bombs for 2 bases

[@no-legjohnny3691]

I will say, for those who wished there were more bombers on this list, I will say that there are four particular vehicles that are pretty good- but only IF you can handle them properly. 1. The British Avenger Mk2, basically a copy-paste TBF-1C with an extra pair of British knock-off Tiny Tims. HOWEVER, it gets a HUGE SL modifier comparable to the rank 3 premium fighters except it's 1.7 BR. It has a solid payload for reserve BR, the two .50s in the wings are good enough when dealing with enemies, you can actually outturn some early monoplanes using the flaps, and the defensive guns are good enough to keep the kites with guns off your tail. If you need a LOT of SL while spending as little money as possible, this is a good pick, especially if you're only just starting to grind for Britain. 2. The Tu-2S. Now realistically any model of these apply, but the original Soviet pre-44 model is the best one given that (for some reason) the Soviets decided to neuter their 1000kg bombs, so while the Tu-2S gets 636kg of TNT in their 1000kg bomb, the Tu-2S-44 and Tu-2S-59 only has 394kg of TNT in their 1000kg bomb. As far as I'm aware, there's no other differences other than the 59 model having one 12.7mm defensive gun replaced with a 20mm. But realistically any one of these are fantastic aircraft if you're grinding for early jets in either USSR or Chinese tech trees. I got a talisman for free on one and it gave typically 15,000xp per match. It's very similar in playstyle to the Avenger mentioned previously: Good bomb load for a light bomber, decent guns (2 ShVAKs with 150 rounds each), VERY agile with flaps, decent defensive guns for dealing with kites with guns. And 3. Either of the late model Canberras (Canberra B Mk.6 (late) or B-57B). The Brit Canberra is the lighter of the two, having a much smaller payload, but offers much better flight performance. You can climb up to 7,000-8,000 meter altitudes easily and drop your payload on a base before turning your attention to any high climbing aircraft. You can outturn pretty much anything, but you need to be careful at higher speeds since you can easily rip your wings if you pull too hard. Your controls are also a bit sloppier than a fighter, but you have 2000 rounds across 4 20mm Hispano cannons so you can act like a Twitter user and be liberal on the trigger. The American Canberra is a bit different. Your payload is a lot bigger, but your overall flight performance is considerably hampered and your guns are a lot more awkward. While you can still dogfight if you're smart, it's a lot more difficult to pull off since you don't do cartwheels in the air like a gymnastics pro (though this makes it harder to rip your wings), and you don't climb quite as easily as the lighter cousin either. You also start with four high fire rate .50s located outboard of the engines on each wing, making shooting down fighters a tricky ordeal. However, you can replace the wimpy .50s with four 20mm cannons that are identical to the ones on the F-5 Tiger with a fair bit of ammo to boot. Whichever one you choose depends on whether you prefer dogfighting or ground strike. Hope this helps!

[@captainconcernedsr.5360]

A6e premium grind is such a good SL maker. With a 960% multiplier and 11x 1000lbs you have enough for 2 bases plus an enemy plane or some ground units. Talking over 100k sl per match victory and over 64k sl per defeat just getting 3 tons of bombing done.

[@michaellemasters7173]

I think the A-5C is one of the best premiums and I think Defyn only ignored it because of the high br. It’s a great plane for learning high tier and it’s a great way to get through China quickly. You get all of the good parts of the Mig-19 but with flares and some of the better IR missiles in the game.

[@Fuzeha]

With the stuff i learned from hundreds of kills in the mig-19s, i found the A-5C super fun and very rewarding. The flight performance is still worse than the MiG-19 tho it is closeish

[@nfrost_ian_l8018]

​@@Fuzehathe A-5C used to be better, like, a lot better in terms of performance, but Gaijin nerfed it for the sake of "Balance". It is still really fun to use after all, tho I like to fly the Q-5A more

[@Fuzeha]

What did they nerf? I didnt get it very long ago @@nfrost_ian_l8018

[@jonnymcjonface6068]

Have you played it recently?

[@Fuzeha]

I played it today @@jonnymcjonface6068

[@duffmanoyeah]

Good stuff.

[@Ky1vstar]

hahaha. Most honest warthunder youtuber fr. Love it

[@thekirby53]

i am truly shocked you put the jasdf f-40 at b tier. its so fun to fly. it prints me so much money.

[@justinsane332]

I like the mig better for that kind of premium

[@seyd5912]

The main problem of the Mig-21 Lazur is that when it gets uptiered its gonna get shafted, on the same tier its decend but in down tiers it is pretty good. (Mainly because u can clap lv. 10 F-5C players)

[@BillKillerz]

I get so much kills with the Vautour IIN (Late) using the AA Nord, I was the first surprised how effective it is once hooked to a joystick !

[@Valhalla.Studio]

Great overview thanks, though I'm surprised you haven't mentioned at all the I-185 (M71) and the Yak3p, both amazing planes as well. For my personal preference I would put those 2 in S tier for USSR, together with I-225, regular Yak3 and La-7. Not a fan of Yak3U at all tbh, and most of the other planes. Out of the premiums for USSR I do love the P47 thunderbolt, great for GRB and not bad for ARB, and the Kingcobra is not bad as well. For Germany S tier for me is the DORA, amazing plane def agree with that one, BV 155 is fun as well got that one from battlepass awhile ago. For USA S tier def XP50, great little plane. Haven't bothered with other nations yet, and not a fan of Jets so far, I do have Mig15bis and Mig19pt, but jesus fuck what a nightmare of a BR where ALL you see are lock on missiles flying your way, NONE STOP. Screw jets.... lol. Maybe one day ill give it a go, but I also enjoy Heli's, Tanks and Ships so I've got plenty to play with.....

[@ItsDrMeme]

Low B tier for the Lazur M is a very generous rating 38:30 😂💀

[@martinsetc4661]

i love hearing defyn breathe air for 1 hour and 32 minutes.

[@darken0id306]

This is perfect to sum up all of the vehicles. Good job.

[@budibunbgung]

Carries on talking as the harrier continues to float across the screen. Very funny

[@weasel1959]

I don't even know if it's still on sale but in my opinion the German Tempest is now better than the D13. Which is hard for me to say because I flew the D13 religiously and have over a 3 KD in it. The Tempest turn performance and the Hispano performance right now makes it very good

[@thisisonlyadream3007]

very good video if you want quick glance u just skip to timestamps and if u care about detail u get a nice podcast to fall asleep to or whatever i dont need the guidance having 6000 hours as mostly a pilot but will share to friends who i cant be asked to lore dump with

[@thisisonlyadream3007]

also a talisman tier list INSIDE is very very good

[@Tentacl]

VERY useful video, ty. I'm one of the wackos who saw it whole btw.

[@ayalaganping]

i was expecting this video for a long time. top quality content. it helps a lot to deciding wich aircraft to fly to grind new nations. i have a friend who just got the mig23mld but i fly USA. any nonpremium suggestions to fly with him?

[@wdude9997]

They didn't put the f-4s or f-5c on sale :( I have heard bad things about the AV-8A harrier but I am considering getting it because there are no other cheap options for high tier America. What are your thoughts? I also heard the f-5c got a nerf because it now has fuel starvation, so if by some miracle it went on sale would it even be worth getting?

[@DEFYN]

They should go on sale Wednesday

[@kacperr3298]

@@DEFYN Kfir canard is gonna be on sale in wednesday too?

[@anginkentut1756]

will the mig 23ml be discounted as well?@@DEFYN

[@DEFYN]

They should be but I know as much as you do

[@Kikiicro]

​@@DEFYNso the f5c will be on sale in the next few hours or on wednesday?

[@BambooPill]

56:49 damn I didn't expect a gundam joke from Defyn

[@dominicc3521]

Get this man to 100k.

[@B_Poort]

For grinding Britain i recommend the Sea Vixen for the absolutely insane amount of money you get per kill (~12k without premium) and the xp bonus is also pretty decent. That said it is a little boring but the missiles are pretty okay

[@tt_ttflap]

Just got the Mirage 2000C-s5 as my first rank 8, and honestly, the grind starting from rank 6 isn't too painful. I did get lucky in the sense that it was a breeze to get through when they moved the vautours up a rank because I only had to grind 2 planes to get to rank 7 and I could skip through the super etendard to get the jaguar, but honestly, the some planes are genuinely not that bad. The Etandard IV m's guns are great, the III e is nice with the magic 1s and its speed, and the mirage f-1c(not premium), is actually super fun when you get the magic 2s. (I did get a talisman for it out of a battle trophy so it did make it less painful). Honestly, if this isn't your first time grinding an air tech tree, I would recommend the premium Mirage f-1C-200 to spare yourself rank I through V's painful aircraft.(would not have said this had the vautour's bomber variants not lost their air spawn cuz they made good rp).

[@emmaanuu9052]

Ur my favorite youtuber atm

[@CaptainGrief66]

1:17:06 The tech tree G.91 R1 does have both AA-20 and AS-20 Nords though

[@joldberg7444]

would you be willing to do a CAS tierlist like this :]. Been thinking of working on Strike Aircraft but not really sure.

[@Oliepolie]

I watched the whole thing, ill be prepared to meet you in my dreams

[@teo3746]

Thanks for the Skill Issue decal

[@teo3746]

and bless you aswell

[@gsm2424]

I got the Skill Issue decal. I've purchased premium for 1 year and also the pyorraisd - the sweedish plane and the xp-50. Thank you for your insight DEFYN! I love your videos and the humor

[@Kost.wt12]

so the link isnt virus?

[@KiwiFlyer100]

gotta get the tram, i just like it so much and its just alright.

[@Ihasanart]

F-4S gets slats that are actually better than the Agile Eagle slats, will pull harder but bleed speed faster when pulling hard.

[@PFCKruger]

For SL I always use the British Avenger. Makes me 50k per match on average. For more relaxed gameplay I like the Catalina's. ( I have all of them :D )

[@ravandhika5472]

Man i'm not regretting keep my J6K1. It is an absolute monster, for rank 5 probably the S+ rank there for japan

[@notsoracistraspberry4168]

Hey Defyn the Swift F7 is kinda fun and unique for Britain. 😅

[@marisakirisame3267]

Finally a video to sleep to

[@marisakirisame3267]

btw J26 David has different belts from P-51 that don't set fires and don't do anything in general

[@cutenekonep906]

Oddly enough im not a bad player but i love the mig21 bis, all versions of it, i can out fight almost anything with it including f16s and and mig29s i don't understand why people dislike it so much, i do really really well with it

[@peachybiscuits]

One small nitpick is that the Mirage F-1C has Super 350F and not 350D's, it would be so much better if it could take the D missiles

[@iretrixi9252]

Excellent video. Dont mind the length. Now do tanks! ;D

[@alya507]

I’m so glad that I got lucky and managed to get the Hunter F.58’s talisman in a battle trophy 😂

[@TransportSupremo]

The ta154 is an amazing plane when you play it like an interceptor

[@DEFYN]

Shut

[@olemansailor6519]

Time 14:54 The F-82E. I really like the plane but I never fly it. The problem is the repair cost. If you want to grind or earn silver lions, this plane for those of us in the average pilot range will spend more silver lions repairing it than farming money.

[@miguelsoriano3323]

Another upload from the old man

[@Oscar_Kashima]

For people planning on getting the F-4S I want to clarify, it actually DOES have slats and they are more aggressive than agile eagle slats so it actually turns better than most Phantoms, although it is unfortunately slower than the F-4J because of this.

[@Fuzeha]

I find the MiG-21S actually fantastic, and I dont use the Rocket pods. Its so fucking fast (technically faster than an F-104 but not effectively faster) for the BR that you can just always stay away from the missile buses, I almost never get aim-9Led. The R-3Rs are absolute arrows but you can lead them and they are obv all-aspect, I have a massive soft spot for them and I usually land at least 2, the other thing is no-one really expects them. If ur opponent is dumb u can reverse them and since everyone likes to try and throttle drop you u just win scissor fights a lot. Most of the time its just the speed and climb that just allow you to exit at will. Ofc classic MiG-21 terrible retention so rate fighting is typically not an option unless its a phantom or something but you dont need to rate fight people. I totally understand why It didnt go S, but I just like it a lot - and this is coming from someone who loves the energy fighting/retention playstyle, I played both MiG-19s a lot aswell as the 15bis and the Lim-5P. You do just have to play sort of passively so I see why defyn doesnt like it as much as I do edit: dont come at me if you dont like it or agree, there are a lot of downsides and Its just a plane that I like.

[@comeonhomiewemajor]

Daddy defyn I edge to these videos

[@Trennerd]

Ty for the guide iam looking to buy Lazur M if it will be on sale i tried it in test flight seems pretty ok and i kinda want to grind germany for its planes coz italy dont have thad much. Btw where i can find the decal?

[@kyrandijkstra5594]

DEFYN casually carrying the WT Air RB community again.. common W

[@DCimpressions]

what about british premium harrier GR1 with the SRAAMs? I think that one was forgotten. Is it any good?

[@LeMogus]

It’s tough over here in Australia man

[@linushermansson9373]

You did both of the T18's dirty. Trading a gunner and .3 BR for way better fire power

[@ChrisVesgo]

I'm considering a F-5E US talisman just for future to come aircraft so it takes me half the matches to grind them I got talisman on MiG-21MF germany and I gotta say its one of my favorite aircraft, I know its on F-5C BR but I know how to handle them, and some times you get a couple F-105s and F-4Cs without Flares and easy frags, 20-40k RP depending on how the match goes, 60k RP record with 300% booster and thats before the Skill Bonus

[@jacksonespeut3692]

Would love to see a video of the b34 as a heavy fighter

[@Someone-zh1tz]

Sent this to a friend and he pointed out the length of the video to which i went woudnt you wanna listen to defyn rambling about planes for 1.5hrs?

[@ROBERTO-in2iq]

Post edit Defyn jumpscare XD