Prepar3d V5 | Evolution not Revolution | P3D5

[@maverik19671]

I wont be paying for another licence. Im fed up with paying full price everytime they do an upgrade.They should give a discount licence holders

[@tymgames8307]

It is very ridiculous you have always to pay the same price for every new version

[@j3gm0194]

I am also very upset. This time I will not upgrade, but wait for MSFS and rather try them out and even save. I do have X-Plane in use as well, yet it does not go as good with my G1000 bezel as P3D does. Having already spent way too much money on Orbx etc it is not an easy decision to make, but it has to stop somewhere. I guess Lockheed´s P3D is making it’s money on ATDs and military users and should offer retail clients a reasonable priced update. For me personally this would be around 50 USD every second year.

[@dailydrivenH2]

I removed all my HDD and SSD with P3D from my pc cant see myself paying for updates anymore

[@rumbo101]

dm me on twitter @aitorextrem and remind me who you are

[@SimHangerFS]

POINT OF CORRECTION: It has been pointed out by a number of people, quite correctly, that MSFS is based on the DX11 API and not DX12 as mentioned in the above video. Apologies for this error. As mentioned by Asobo in Seattle in 2019 there are plans to port MSFS to DX12 at a later date. I believe the aim is to complete this prior to release of the program, but I am not in a position to guarantee this.

[@sandrovitalini1629]

I would prefer Vulkan instead of DXirectX anyways. :)

[@RastaPilot737]

Well FS is squeezing every capability of DX11, and looks gorgeous! So imagine the DX12 port

[@willembont4790]

Enough is enough. FS2020 is the way forward. I had all p3d versions; no more.

[@btaylo24]

I have p3d and xp11 with a ton of add-ons costing 1000's. I don't feel P3D v5 is updated enough to warrant further investment at this time. Going to stick to XP11 and purchase msfs when that is released. Just hope msfs is as good as it looks!! Fully respect other people's opinions...

[@SimHangerFS]

Mr Taylor , your feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Regards

[@skrifefeil3634]

As for now I will put everything on hold and just wait for FS 2020.

[@SimHangerFS]

Skrifefeil , fair enough. Thanks for commenting. Regards

[@jacobwiqvist1760]

The same for me. If it would have bin 20 USD I would probably update. But not at this stage.

[@Enaklam]

@@jacobwiqvist1760 Yeah, close to $100 AUD for us down under.

[@simonb4666]

As interesting as this is, there's not a chance I'm going to sink $200 on this before seeing what MSFS 2020 looks like, particularly with the X-plane Vulkan upgrade looking quite promising for a quarter of the price. Lockheed and P3D served a very valuable role while Microsoft was in the wilderness keeping flight simming going, and arguably helping to rekindle its resurgence, but it rather feels it's time to hand the baton on.

[@timrashleigh2984]

Simon B good plan. As an alpha tester, msfs 2020 is a game changer. Out of the box is it's amazing. It's hard, but waiting and saving your dollars will pay off.

[@CraZy291]

uhm... just get the Academic version then?

[@7anthillmob]

or pay $9.95 p.m for developer licence and drop it, if you want, when MSFS2020 eventually releases.

[@caribbaviator7058]

@@timrashleigh2984 agreed 100%

[@Sy-T007]

It isn't going to be 200 or 60 for anyone, have you considered the cost of upgrade for all addons

[@voodoochildfr]

Same here, I don't know if this deserve to be updated. I'm currently using P3D v4 heavily modded runing like a charm (or a least as much as my old hardware allows it :)). I was planning to upgrade my PC this year and it will probably already cost a lot. Yes, the performance gain offered by Dx12 is really interesting and the new lighting effects seems cool as the slopped runways. I don't like how the clouds looks with TrueSky (I didn't already liked them on FSW). But in definitive does this require spending another $199 (not including the price of updating some addons) and all the time it will take to re-download and install these addons ? I'm not sure. Not even speaking about XP12 and MSFS20 incoming... A discount for v4 users would maybe help to take a decision but right now I don't know yet if i will go with v5...

[@SimHangerFS]

Novus Destiny , I agree a 50% discount for existing users would swing it for me. I am sceptical however as I am not sure if LM are too bothered about our side of the user base. Thanks for commenting. Stay safe.

[@voodoochildfr]

@@SimHangerFS It's LM, I'm also not really expecting a discount. Fun thing is that we maybe are not the focused users but they actually add technologies that we are using more than the pros (not even saying that XP or MSFS already use or will use these technologies). Not sure the pros really care about lighting effects, TrueSky clouds, NVidia Waterworks or Dx12... Stay safe.

[@christopherfuller2401]

I am already shopping (virtually) for my next pc build ready for fs2020 this announcement hasn't changed this mind set for me

[@SimHangerFS]

Christopher Fuller , thanks for your feedback. Stay safe. Regards

[@mylordass8120]

This is also what I am doing right now, as all the new stuff is really going to push my Rig to it's limits. It's already starting to show it's age in terms of performance.

[@Falconm80]

2:57 You still get Pacific ocean waves in a small river!

[@BuggSmasher]

I think those waves are actually waving good bye !

[@richardchurchill2459]

I’m going to stay put for now. Milviz has already stated most if not all their products do not work in version 5. Plus I don’t think I have enough room on my system.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

The more sims battling it out the better however, I won't be investing in this platform anymore. It just doesn't have enough 'meat' to entice me back, especially considering X-Plane's VR and Vulkan support, the new MSFS and DCS. Take care and great video as always!

[@SimHangerFS]

VR flight sim guy , decisions decisions....and choices! Thanks for your feedback. Regards

[@andyyiu3987]

I never go for the pro versions of P3D, so $60 USD per major update is about the most I generally pay. As an owner of both XP11 and both P3DV4, I've always predominantly been a P3D user simply because it has the addons and features that I want. There are some neat stuff that XP11 has that P3D V4 simply lacks (such as updated airports, improved graphics, and sloped runways), and it seems that V5 helps bridge the gap between P3D and XP11. While FS2020 is indeed coming out soon, I feel that I will still maintain my P3D setup for some time yet, as I do use the platform to also stay proficient for irl type rating recurrent purposes. Therefore, I think I will upgrade, provided that at least my most important addons still work.

[@TheKillermops]

haha funny you could be me :P except before i upgrade i want to know how 3rd party content will look on FS2020 because if companies like A2A/PMDG are on-board i think it will ultimately be the better platform.

[@andyyiu3987]

@@TheKillermops PMDG and to a limited extent A2A is why I stick with P3D. FS2020 would be the better platform once you have high fidelity addons like PMDG/A2A. However, making these addons take time, and I feel that P3DV5 will be a worthwhile investment while we wait for that to happen.

[@hans9111947]

@@andyyiu3987 i think in the same way and ORBX is free after i bought for p4.5

[@xavier4614]

Definitely Prepar3d v5 has to be given for discounted price for holders of v4 otherwise price not justify this upgrade which in term of improvement is not far away from our multi add-ons p3d V4. Comparing videos of alphas fs2020 and beta of p3d V5 there is no doubts about who's gonna be undisputed leader when both will be available.

[@SimHangerFS]

Xavier , I have to agree with your views, a discount will go a long way with existing users. Stay safe. Regards

[@airbluex79]

I would wait & See if the add on developers with get free update or not. I believe PMDG on they forum say a they do have a new installer

[@SimHangerFS]

Galloway Hervy , sensible approach. Thank you for your feedback. Regards

[@pelgrin21]

Mark i'm still running pd3v4 i have it the way i want very stable and everything works beautifully,my question is how much the airports are updated in v5? that is the only thing that v4 needs,Lockeed Martin updated the engine nicely from FSX but up to version 4 still more or less the same database for me to update to v5 i will need to have 2 copies as i run wideview, 2 copies of active sky and buying the new vectors from orbx then the sim may not work as well as v4 to my likings 3rd party aircraft etc so to me is not really worth upgrading unless the database has a major improvement.once MSFS gets updated and the 3rd party aircraft starts coming in ill be slowly switching to msfs 2020 but that may not happen till the end of 2021.

[@SimHangerFS]

Hi, the default airports are not upgraded to any major extent in v5. Third party airports are much the same, but with improved visuals via PBR and dynamic lighting. Regards

[@pelgrin21]

@@SimHangerFS thank you that is not real important to me going to wait till the aircraft gets updated in 2020 functionality is important to me.

[@vurplex3082]

I don't think I will spend another 200 for just a engine upgrade (which xplane did for free) and some better clouds. This should be a cheap or even free upgrade I hope I'm wrong.

[@SimHangerFS]

Agreed, even a discount for existing users would help. Thanks for commenting and stay safe.

[@haykodjan]

Those “V” updates should be free

[@Enaklam]

Yeah, it would have been better if they offered the update at a reduced cost and/or free esp with MSFS20 out *soon* :)

[@michaelhutcherson1264]

I am on hold at this time too. I have a five year old computer with a GTX 960 and not looking to upgrade at this time if I have to. I have plenty of Aircraft in the hanger to fly.

[@greywulf31]

Probably go with Microsoft Flight Sim 2020 and wait for 3rd party to create study level aircraft especially commercial aircraft. Prepare needs a 50% off sale to get me to buy V5.

[@SimHangerFS]

Couldn't agree more.

[@rhodesianscout9617]

When it comes to choosing between FS2020 and P3D5 I made my decision last week and went with P3D5. My ultimate aim with flightsimming was to get a 300 million dollar simulator in my home where I can fly a fully functioning 777 or 737 anywhere in the world. With PMDG, ORBX, PFPX, Navigraph and ActiveSky installed I have what I want. Yes FS2020 looks amazing ...... however there are too many questions regarding costs such as how much bandwidth will it cost me flying a 777 from Sydney to London at high altitude? When I am away from home in an area with limited Internet I can fly with P3D..... this would not be the case with FS2020 where you would need a good Internet. So.... at this stage, I am happy staying with P3D5.

[@SimHangerFS]

rhodesianscout , sound logic and fair enough. Interesting your name (handle). I grew up in Salisbury.

[@rhodesianscout9617]

@@SimHangerFS oh cool..... born and raised in Bulawayo..... left Rhodesia in 1977.

[@hauer54]

Interesting video, Mark. I doubt that I will upgrade as similar to you, I've invested too much in making my P3D4.5HF2 as real as it gets. With a powerful PC, I'm totally satisfied with the way things run. Even if I were to upgrade, I would definitely not ever do that immediately as I"m sure there will be issues to be resolved first. Stay safe and hope to see many more of your superb videos...

[@SimHangerFS]

Herman Auer , hi Herman, a wait and see approach seems to be the common response from many, I think like you, I will fall into this category. Thanks for your kind comments. Stay safe. Regards

[@paul-j1216]

Not a chance will I be upgrading yet again, been, an alpha tester for MS2020 since October 2019, as soon as we go beta or released, all my xp11 / P3D will be fully wiped from my system.

[@ontherampflightsim]

I made the mistake of buying Pro version first and when I found out some expensive add-ons were not for pro, I immediately exchanged for Academic. Just keep that in mind..

[@MagnumMike44]

Thanks Mark, I don't have P3D but it would be nice if Lockheed had a trial version just like X-Plane does just to see how it performs and feels. I saw a lot of comments about the add-ons a lot people spent a lot of money on for P3D and I'm wondering if they can be added to the latest version of P3D. Like many others have mentioned, I'll wait until Microsoft releases FS 2020 but for the time being, I'm happy with XP 11.50.

[@75colby]

I will say that XP11.50b3 has incredible performance and visuals for me vs. prior versions...so smooth! There is an issue with “blurries” now at times which Sid the Programmer has stated is a known bug and will be fixed. That said, I will buy P3Dv5 tomorrow in the hopes that the new code will similarly improve P3D performance and let me use all of those investments to their full potential. It is a good time to be a flight simmer, seems like only yesterday 22 year old newlywed Me was installing FS98?

[@karlwolff8076]

Are you getting some bad turbulence issues with the beta? I can't seem to toggle off the turbulence option and the bouncing is extremely annoying!

[@tjstreak7970]

First, I generally wait a year or so to upgrade to give the third party developers an opportunity to catch up. A lot depends on how well version 4 addons work with the new simulator. Second, a lot depends ol MFS2020's backward compatibility. How well will my old addons work with it? If there is no backwards compatibililty, then I expect it to take years before developers to catch up, and I am not at all sure if I want to re-purchase addons I already own for FSX and Prepar3d. Most likely, I will get Version 5 eventually, and install it along side version 4 and FSX. It's not a case of either/or but AND.

[@SimHangerFS]

Tj Streak , hi and thanks for your comments. Stay safe. Regards

[@attiliodariva5417]

MFS has stated that the new physics model has been made from scratch, but there will still be a "legacy mode" selectable option to allow backward compatibility... I assume the break-dealer for you was just about planes because it's obvious that orbx, rex, asn, navigraph, fsuipc... all that stuff doesn't matter anymore.

[@folcaljet00]

Why do you have to pick one platform? Use ALL of them.

[@SimHangerFS]

Benjamin Nash 😁 fair comment!

[@hans9111947]

many addons are free to install ,like ORBX and more are following

[@caribbaviator7058]

Microsoft has not fully shown off their entire product to the public but wow for those of us who get to fly in their Alpha product it's amazing!

[@SimHangerFS]

GT-AVIATOR , lucky you! Stay safe. Regards

[@trip5003]

Thanks for the heads up . I just tried to do the update and can't even access the website .

[@SimHangerFS]

M R , hi, available from 4:00 pm EST today.

[@JohnnyGamingChannel1]

I’m still going to go with MSFS2020.

[@edwardsp1916]

Interesting, I cannot see a large difference between the two. What’s your thoughts on the V5? Is it worth the upgrade costs. I’ve not used P3D in 5 months, since switching to Xplane and I’m very happy with its visuals and performance. Whilst I still have a lot of money invested in to P3D addons, I’m wary about investing into V5.

[@SimHangerFS]

Paul Edwards , hi Paul, I think we can expect a reasonable improvement in FPS due to DX12, I would guess 10% to 25% depending on your add ons and better weather visuals. Everything else will be much the same I expect. Regards

[@TrueBlade-1889]

And is it still windowed and 8 bit colour ? So still horrific colour banding and barely any performance increase?

[@RhettKelly]

Thanks for the video and update information. My initial response was that I was probably not going to upgrade from P3Dv4 to v5 ... at least not for a while and until I know what add-on developers will be charging for upgrades. (BTW I’m not an X-plane user due to all the FSX and P3D add-on investments over the years). However, it seems that there is generally 100% backward compatibility for most scenery (as before) and most developers are offering free upgrades - including, most importantly for me, PMDG (although not 100% confirmed as yet). The trueSKY and WaveWorks 2.0 Visual updates and the DirectX12 performance updates are very attractive to me. Sloped runways are also very nice to see. While I am hugely looking forward to FS2020, I would most definitely like to get much more mileage out of the large number of add-on investments I have made over the years in FSX and then P3Dv4. I’m a very happy P3Dv4 customer and will most likely upgrade to P3Dv5. One area of ‘concern’ for me currently relates to the flight dynamics and physics (which has received much treatment in FS2020) - so I’m hoping that this will receive some attention in the point updates. However, it is good to see that ground contact reaction is now done per contact point - so there are some signs of improved physics :-). Take care and looking forward to your next video as always.

[@SimHangerFS]

Rhett Kelly , thanks for sharing your views. Fair comment. Regards

[@hilok]

the major question for me is: will my V4-addons be compatible to V5 for free? because, if not, the P3D-era will end here for me. i will go the MSF2020 route and never look back.

[@SimHangerFS]

HiLok , I suspect the response will be varied from the respective developers. Time will tell. Thanks for commenting. Regards

[@unocualqu1era]

Looking at the compatibility table it seems that in the best case scenario you get a free updated version, meaning many addons will not work out of the box and you'll have to do the tedious work of updating them all manually. Even if P3D v5 was free and all of the addons were updated for free, I'd still not get it because it sounds like a pain in the ass

[@SimHangerFS]

unocualqu1era 😂

[@AA-tz2bm]

Scenery devs are

[@renard8137]

Im going to hold back and enjoy the show here for a while.

[@SimHangerFS]

Fly Sim 😁 I don’t blame you!

[@JMVD48]

I wonder if there is also a clear sound of rain or thunder entered in P3D v5?

[@christopherfinn7986]

Hi Mark A provocative little video, but I think we’ve all been anticipating P3D.V5. A colleague of mine used to say “never fly the Mk1 of anything” and I’m grateful I just missed the Mk1 Buccaneer. Now I’m not going down the XPlane route. I don’t like the “orange porridge” and it’s not compatible with Sim-Avionics. But, like most of us, I have a significant investment in ORBX for P3Dv4. So I’m just going to sit on my hands and wait to see what pans out. A major factor will be what ORBX does wrt upgrading current purchases to both P3D v5 and MSF 2020. I currently run two licensed copies of P3Dv4: one driving a Jetmax 738 and one for VFR in both fw & rw ac. So whilst I will be replacing P3Dv4 on both idc the replacements my be different depending on how each fit my requirements for the two different types of “swimming”. Yours Chris

[@SimHangerFS]

Christopher Finn , hello and thank you for your feedback. I think your right, a wait and see approach may well be the best course of action right now. Stay safe. Regards

[@christopherfinn7986]

SimHanger Flight Simulation Thanks Mark Chris, please

[@SimHangerFS]

Chris, thanks and regards.

[@christopherfinn7986]

SimHanger Flight Simulation Hi Mark For swimming read simming - predictive text ! When you do have a look at v5 can you have a look at the max cloud draw distance please ? As a dedicated “tubeliner” flyer I am always infuriated by the “undercast” not going to the visual horizon, in v4, and leaving you with a bright blue circle out to the horizon. Rgds Chris

[@pascalperrin-bonnet7119]

Bon voilà j'ai la version 5 reste plus qu'a mettre tous mes orbx, carenado, milviz, etc etc ... Mais là comment faut-il faire ?

[@duanebuck5515]

I will have a wait and see attitude. I too have invested a lot in P3D. MSFS looks very interesting.

[@SimHangerFS]

Duane Buck , I think that will be my approach as well. Stay safe. Regards

[@CMACJAZZ]

Hi Mark, As good as V5 sounds I like you no doubt have invested a great deal in add on's and suspect the V5 upgrade will cause issues until developers catch up? , then there's the cost of the upgrade, like many others I will wait for MS 2020 best regards Charlie

[@SimHangerFS]

Charlie McEwan , hi Charlie, thanks for your feedback. Many are following a similar path. Stay safe.

[@joveeke]

I'm totally new in FS so I gonna wait until MSF2020 is launched...

[@isaacmcpeek9636]

As a real VFR pilot I find X-Plane's ATC wanting, you cannot report your positions or distant to airport among other things and practicing ATC is so very important. How is the ATC in P3D? Is it very much like FSX? I went to X-Plane while I wait for the mothership to come to port. But had always been a Microsoft guy. Does P3DV5 or V4.5 look as good as X-Plane out of the box? How about the weather? I have only invested in freeware & one plane the Tri-Pacer because I own a real one. So I kinda wish I'd a bought P3D instead of X-Plane. Is there a lot of freeware senery worth having in P3D? Thank you all for your time.

[@SimHangerFS]

Isaac Mcpeek , hi Isaac, in my opinion Xplane looks more realistic out of the box. There is a vast array of free add ons, mainly aircraft. Regards

[@christopherfinn7986]

Despite my earlier comments about waiting for P3Dv5.1 I purchased a Pro License last week. I’ve been trying it out on my desk-top pc with various combinations of ORBX software and with ASP3D beta. Now, this is a top-end W2F pc and I’m getting a very good visual experience using ORBX TE Washington and TEGB Central at 30 FPS. It’s just a bit jerky at ULTD. I also tried the P3DV5 experimental weather settings. I like the way it does haze layers but if I wanted an “orange porridge” sim I’d go straight to XPlane. What is impressive is the ability, with DX12, to get a true 8/8 undercast at Fl 390 that extends to the visual horizon and doesn’t stop the sim working. I’m shortly going to move the license to my other pc which drives the sim for a Jetmax 738 sstd using sim-avionics. It’s a couple of years old and has a 1080 graphics card. But, I only use ORBX OLCs for high altitude flying, plus specific airports and AS/ASCA for weather so I’m looking forward to the comparison. MSFS 2020 is “jam tomorrow” and I’m looking forward to trying it out. But, with a significant investment in ORBX, and other software, that is transferable to P3DV5 I will have to be convinced as to the benefits of MSFS202 over P3DV5 if I’m to move totally to it. Chris

[@SimHangerFS]

Christopher Finn , quite right, you’ll only know once it is released and the reviews hit. I remain undecided about v5 and have not made the leap yet...but remain tempted. Thanks for your feedback. Regards

[@MagnumMike44]

I don't know why Prepa3d included the Neptune Submersible in the list of "vehicles", it's a flight not a submarine simulator, I don't know if it'll be included with the latest version of P3D but it would be nice if they put the effort into giving us an aircraft instead of a submersible vehicle.

[@SimHangerFS]

Michael [MagnumMike44] S. , hi Michael, I believe it is included, but stand to be corrected...I think it is there for their commercial customers. Stay safe. Regards

[@nathangrandmasterk9760]

I would wait for FS2020 my friend. I feel for you. You're doing good with the videos.

[@SimHangerFS]

Grand Master , hi and thank you for your feedback. Stay safe.

[@mercster]

I am new to flight simming, about 2 months in. But I'm a long-time IT guy and I'm good at evaluating software. About 3 months ago I bought XPlane 11, and have now updated to XP11.50beta. I haven't spent a single dime over the purchase price of $60, and I have gorgeous textures (Ortho4XP), lots of free aircraft (of varying quality), and a very realistic flight model. All I can say is, I'm glad I made the choice. :-)

[@MrSameeg]

I'm going to do nothing until I know at what cost to me and at what performance it's going to bring to the sim.

[@SimHangerFS]

Mike Greenaway , hi Mike, fair enough. A wait and see approach seems a common view here. Take care.

[@joshuasawyer3252]

MSFS 2020 is running on DirectX 11

[@SimHangerFS]

Joshua Sawyer , hi Joshua, MSFS is running on DirectX12 according to Microsoft. Regards

[@joshuasawyer3252]

SimHanger Flight Simulation are you sure? kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJubmWmvnsd7fsU Watch from 26:30

[@Bellthorian]

@@joshuasawyer3252 I would be willing to bet it will offer both options for maximum market penetration.

[@joshuasawyer3252]

Theokolese The Shadow Of Death Your possibly right

[@davidamills]

SimHanger Flight Simulation No. MSFS runs on DX11. You need to correct yourself publicly.

[@anbrod1]

So if you already have the P3d v4 Pro, this update is not free?? Then i Know i will wait til the FS2020 come out, spent enought on this platform already!

[@SimHangerFS]

Anders Brøgger ,hi, unfortunately LM charge each time you upgrade to a new full version 😩

[@tombmaster972]

i wil invest in p3d5 because i have so many payware aircraft which are developed for fsx and p3d so it just makes sense to do that. i have never used p3d before so my question: do you think my payware aircraft which are suitable for v4 gonna work in v5?

[@SimHangerFS]

tombmaster972 , hello. I am not sure, although normally some charge an upgrade cost, but I imagine most will be free. Regards

[@garryscanlan235]

Useful vid as always, Mark. IMO, one would be foolish to pay for this upgrade purely because logic dictates your money would be better spent on MS2020 if it really is as good as seen in their vids. LM must be aware most simmers are suspending their expenditure plans pending MS2020, or at least I am! It also seems to me developers know this too given all the discounts offered atm - mostly under the guise of helping us through the lockdown. Keep up the good work.

[@SimHangerFS]

Garry Scanlan , thanks Garry. The frequency of “sim” sales is somewhat indicative of the expected upheaval in the market once MSFS arrives on the PC. Thanks for commenting. Take care.

[@garryscanlan235]

@@SimHangerFS Yes indeed. I can't help but think they're trying to offload as much as possible before their sales plummet after MS2020 debuts. BTW any chance of an in depth tutorial on the Alpha yoke for P3D specifically. I am still struggling with the batt/avionics switches, LOL.

[@SimHangerFS]

Garry Scanlan , ill add it to my growing list! 😁 regards

[@garryscanlan235]

@@SimHangerFS thank you.

[@spooterify]

I uninstalled P3d sometime ago, took the plunge into XP11 after being a former long loyal supporter of the P3d product. It must be said P3d was able to provide me with an intriguing and very satisfying flying experience for many years and it’s not difficult to see why it still has such a massive support base. I am still of the opinion that XP11, despite it’s shortfalls, provides a very realistic flying experience, it’s constantly updated and what’s greatest of all is the sheer amount of free quality addons available, it’s a great platform for those wanting maximum realism on a moderate budget. IRO MSFS2020, with so much said, the community has pretty high expectations of this upcoming platform. MSFS2020 will not be a refined out of the box product, it will (hopefully) be constantly updated, and as with predecessors and modern day flight sims, require a whole bunch on tweaking and refinement to find an acceptable tradeoff. My advice, forget about what you’ve invested, and invest in what you mostly enjoy, wait for MSFS2020 and if it’s your primary preference then transition as and when you wish. Long post, sorry for this but it’s about the best advice I could possibly offer in a few sentences :)

[@SimHangerFS]

Sheldon Simone , hi Sheldon, thank you for your feedback. I do appreciate it. Stay safe. Regards

[@jamesleicher]

Howzit, i sitting tight on 4.5v , what i don't understand why is ms2020 not going dx12 ?

[@SimHangerFS]

Hi James, development of MSFS started before DX12 was out. Asobo will change to DX12, just not sure if it will be before initial release. They are working on the port. Stay safe.

[@Yonlawlawlaw]

It is just P3D V4.6

[@peterfinkill8098]

Unfortunately for me there is no WOW factor in the version 5 release. With a level change (and a further licence fee) I am looking for something that makes me want to buy it coz it';s so much better than the competition. Cannot see that in P3Dv5. It's just coming up to the standard of the current Xplane11 beta. However from what I've heard from every MFS2020 Alpha user is WOW. So that's why I'm saving my pennies until MFS2020 is released. Until then I will continue using the current P3Dv4, DCS and Xplane11.

[@SimHangerFS]

Peter Finkill , hello Peter, I think you have summed it up better than I could....where is the wow factor...wait and see perhaps for now, unless DX12 provides a big performance boost. Stay safe and regards.

[@charleslongchamps5868]

I''ll think to wait for 2020 to see if it worth it or not

[@SimHangerFS]

Charles Longchamps , hello Charles, I think many simmers will be following his path for now. Take care and thank you for your feedback. Regards

[@valkyrie321]

Thank you for the informative video.

[@josephsalim9638]

I don't want to be negative, but I am really tired of spending so much money upgrading my computer (spent over $7,000) just to get the sim to run smoothly at its full potential, spending money on sceneries, Aerosoft, PMDG (all aircrafts), REX, Active Sky, Chris Bell, Quality Wings, etc. Now Prepared wants us to purchase another license to upgrade to V5 without any discounts ! I understand they worked hard on it, but still give us discounts. I just can't wait for the new 'Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020' to be available.

[@mlcochran78]

I'm in the same boat - probably $2000 into v4 add-ons alone. Rex, AS, traffic, all of Orbx North America, countless other airports, most carenado/alabeo, aerosoft, pmdg, cap'n sim. . . Add on compatibility AND ease of installation are primary to me. Am I gonna spend 3 days reinstalling all of this stuff? Secondary is performance/bugginess. If I spend more time combing thru forums looking for tweaks/fixes than flying, booooo for that. What are they charging for this thing, like $60? No problem as I spend that weekly on gas. I'm not driving for obvious reasons. So I'll probably buy it, but discard it if aforementioned criteria is not met

[@SimHangerFS]

Matt Cochran , I must admit the thought of reinstalling all those add ons is daunting. Thanks for sharing your views. Much appreciated. Take care

[@nikidash3791]

I just want to clarify a small mistake: DirectX 12 is not a graphics engine, it's a graphics API. Things like Unreal, Frostbite, CryEngine are graphics engines, while DirectX, OpenGL and Vulkan are APIs. APIs are what you use to build a graphics engine. This is to say that P3Dv5 and MSFS both eventually using DX12 means nothing, it's like saying that Hamlet and some random teen romance novel both use the english language. Or for a gaming related example: Doom 2016, Doom Eternal and X-Plane 11.50 all use Vulkan, but that's where the similarities end.

[@SimHangerFS]

Your right, DirectX 12 is an API as per Vulkan, I stand corrected. Thanks and stay safe. Regards

[@SulaimanSaifi]

As I currently am utilizing both Xplane 11 and Prepar3d, I see advantages and disadvantages in both. For instance, P3D for a while had more refined aircraft, mainly thanks to PMDG and A2A, however, Xplane flight dynamics, and especially night lighting, are a lot better. I must admit that I enjoy both simulators equally and look forward to V5. We have already invested a lot on P3D, and the competition is putting everyone in their A-game, so I will upgrade. Kind regards,

[@SimHangerFS]

Sulaiman Saifi , I follow your logic and I too enjoy both platforms. Thanks for your comments. Regards and stay safe.

[@Dg-zj6jo]

Just brought xplane and a319 so going to hold tight for now

[@SimHangerFS]

Dg 27 , fair enough. Thanks for commenting. Regards

[@greathorton]

Real thanks to SimHanger

[@sG-fn9mv]

the atc needs to be improved or at leaset ad addon

[@AdamJames19]

V5 is a free upgrade?

[@SimHangerFS]

avspotter_uk , I don’t believe so.....normally a version upgrade is 199 US. Hope I am wrong. Regards

[@pascalperrin-bonnet7119]

Bonjours avec le moyen disponible maintenant et consommateur que nous somme, il serait temps de penser au gens qui ne son pas familiarisée avec les langues anglophones.Avez vous prise des mesures pour qu'on puis jouir au maximum de notre investissements ?

[@SimHangerFS]

pascal Perrin-Bonnet , C'est quelque chose que j'examinerai à l'avenir, car je dois payer pour la traduction. Peut-être quand j'aurai plus d'abonnés.

[@pascalperrin-bonnet7119]

@@SimHangerFS Merci infiniment pour votre réponse sa me touche énormément .

[@MrNICAULISES]

I Have p3d4.5 and got trick in to V5 but find out that is the same p3d looks bad out the box

[@AB-jg4yl]

Well Mark, Let's turn the question a little bit to another perspective: Would you/we buy this V5 version IF MSFS wasn't on the horizon? I think the proper question is: Are we willing to spend (more) money on prepar3d/X-plane knowing something big is coming? If I was a virtual bush flyer the answer would be, certainly not cause what MSFS showing us so far, that new sim would be a perfect match for this kind of simmers. On the other hand, we don't have too much proof/information (yet) that the new sim ( MSFS) will bring us the virtual tube line simmers enough possibilities to continue towards MSFS. If tube line flying is rewarding enough at the start when MSFS is released, then an investment in prepar3d is something we can argue about.

[@SimHangerFS]

A B , hello and to answer your question...yes I would buy the upgrade I’m sure if MSFS wasn’t in the picture. 😳 thanks for sharing your views. Regards

[@ervmoore1111]

Like others I have A Ton of add-ons but have been a flt sim nut for toooo many years, always have to try a new mouse trap - LOL - I’ll try it! And Microsoft 2020 toooo. Please don’t ask me how much money I have in flt sim software & hardware since 1986!

[@SimHangerFS]

erv Moore , me too 😁 thanks for your views. Take care

[@Talon-R]

Personally I'm going to play the waiting game. I usually skip a version update because I know one will be coming soon. So I went from V2 to V4. Anyway V5 looks awesome but with MS2020 and Xplane 11 Vulcan update, I have more reason to wait to see what each one will bring to the table. I hate having to lose ac due to updates but I know that happens. Still, there is going to be enough content to give us options. Personally, I tend to purchase sims based on third party support. So at the end of the day, I'm going to enjoy what I have, watch where things go in 6 months to a year of release then press the purchase button on which sim I feel will give me the best experiences for my money. I can't afford to buy them all anymore. :-)

[@SimHangerFS]

Trev R , thanks, sensible approach. Regards

[@freddielaker2]

Ive gone from FS v1 to the latest x-plane 11 beta and love flight sim and I too have spent on FS addons since about 1987 and over that time its cost a pretty penny. I have now got problems with my CH flight yoke on X-plane and I dont know if its the software or the yoke itself as its been active for 15 years and may have finally given up the ghost. To replace that would cost £197 - £3 short of the full amount for it and the pedals when I originally bought them together!. I shudder to think what I have spent but its one of those things, I dont drink so at least I have something to see after Ive spent my cash. Upgrades for software though, this is a never ending thing, To get the best out of the software you may have to update your pc, I know I am considering it for the new FS from Microsoft, I did it for FSX so I might for the new one. It seems from all accounts to be a phenomenal piece of software and the reviews are raving about it. so you have to ask yourself, which one are you going for? I have three running on my pc and only one is worth it for me at the moment and thats x-plane. which is very frustrating as you dont seem to get the quality of aircraft that you get for the other sims and this has always been the case. I'm not putting people down who make the models or paint the textures, hell, I even do that myself to some degree but the likes of Historic Airliner, D Maltby and so many more other great FS model makers never got into xplane which would have made it magic for those of us who love the older airliners. I cant take a BAC 1-11 out for a flight in anything other than FSX and then the scenery is not as good as in other sims. JF did a BAC1-11 but in my opinion it wasnt as good as the Dave Maltby one, or the others like the VC10, Vanguard, Viscount. There was or is no cross over and now if the information I hear is correct, these older ones for FSX although could in a way be ported over to P3d, will now be useless in the new version of MS FS. so all that money is wasted and unless you keep the old software you will not be able to use them again. Thats progress I know but the price of the new models will I assume cost more. Even in Xplane the price of a good model from say, Carenado or Just Flight is around $50 or £45, what price for the new simulator goodies? and will the cost be too much?

[@SimHangerFS]

freddielaker2 , hi and the questions you raise are being asked by many of us. Decisions decisions! Thanks for sharing your views. Regards

[@Dreamsofwings]

Having just got Xplane11 and with MS2020 heading our way I find it hard to justify going down the P3Dv5 route until MS2020 is launched and the community has a chance to review it fully. My concern, quite possibly erroneous, is that with my 10Mbps internet speed I won’t get the full benefit of the MS2020 scenery, in which case I might get P3Dv5 and keep using the money pit of add-ons I have accumulated!

[@doseofboost4509]

10mbps is plenty fast

[@Dreamsofwings]

Dose of Boost good to know 👍🏻

[@SimHangerFS]

Dreamsofwings , thanks for sharing your views. A sensible approach. Stay safe. Regards

[@jag1963]

Ive already built a new PC for MFS2020 and i'm happy to wait until thats out. If i were going to spend money on a new flight sim i'd rather spend it on xplane now.

[@SimHangerFS]

Jaggy , fair comment. Stay safe. Regards

[@KEITHGEE1000]

Thanks for this Mark. Like many have said, I invested greatly with the jump from FSX to P3DV4. I timed it with a new PC some 15 months ago. I’ve only just paid off the credit card!! If we are all honest, then it’s the $199 license we should buy. Again, like others, I’ve got the sim looking pretty good. Lastly, and the ultimate deciding factor is I cannot really afford it right now. With the state of the world, I like many are self employed so waiting for some government help. This may be a blessing in disguise in that I need to wait some three months. By then, we maybe clearer on the true value of P3DV5 once the snags have been ironed out and more updates on MS2020. Keep safe. Keith

[@SimHangerFS]

Hello, sounds like a sensible approach and one I will be adopting. Stay safe .

[@larrylondon8600]

I also have invested a considerable amount in P3D and addons. I will not be updating anytime soon. Most addons currently have limited information about update compatibility. That combined with several customized files that need to be carefully saved so they don’t get written over after update. Last update I spent days getting my system stabilized and working again. The update cost and headache at this point doesn’t seem worth it. Not saying updates should be free at least a discount could be offered to existing customers.

[@knightshadow1894]

Wow, $199.00. I think I'm in the same boat. I've purchased hundreds maybe thousands of dollars on scenery, weather engines etc. Not to including the investment in all the PMDG aircraft for both FSX and P3D. Lets not forget my recent hardware purchases Yoke/Throttle Quad. I think i'll stick with version 4.5 until MSFS2020 hits the street. I guess i might follow Mr. Fuller idea and start planning on a new build for FS2020. Or possibly find a new hobby. (Not really) just venting! I think it will be hard watching all the other simmers flying this new platform so i might need to tune out a bit! Great vid as always, Thank you for posting. Standing by to see what you do as well. Stay safe and healthy. Happy Easter to you all.

[@SimHangerFS]

KnightShadow , thanks for your views. Oh decisions decisions!

[@ramair6424]

I’m pretty much in agreement with everyone else. For us mere financial mortals there’s a limited amount funds that can be spread around. There does not appear to be anything earth shattering going on here to warrant the financial investment and the headache of updating given what I already have invested in P3D and XP. I’m holding out for FS 2020 too!

[@paulphibbs7162]

I will be waiting on the release of MSFS. I’m happy with P3DV4.5 and have some favorite planes that I like to fly. I even still use FSX to fly other planes I don’t have in P3D. I also enjoy flying Xplane11 and with the recent release of the 11.50c, it is showing great performance improvements particularly for flying in VR. With three good Sims and MSFS with all its Utopian appeal, I think it’s better to wait and see how the new sims measure up. Particularly as for both, there will be a need to purchase planes of choice as they are made available, not to mention customized scenery and airports etc. I don’t like to think how much I’ve sunk into simulation over the years.

[@SimHangerFS]

Paul Phibbs , hi Paul thanks for your views. A wait and see approach seems the best approach. Take care. Regards

[@peterferguson5705]

For me it's not the $199 but the time till MSFS2020 release. If only say 4 months away then no P3D5 buy but if 10 months away then I will have time to use my $199 investment. This is making the assumption that MSFS2020 is a better experience than P3D5! Now all I need is some idea of MSFS2020 release date and I am sure is being pushed back closer to 2021!

[@SimHangerFS]

Peter Ferguson , Peter I completely agree with you, my views are the same and I wonder if we will see MSFS this side of Christmas? Regards

[@tedduggan3188]

I have X-Plane 11 and Vulkan has made a big difference . DCS World is a FREE Download and love it ....But it is only a war bases sim and you have to pay for the aircraft and modules ...BUT well worth checking out .....I look forwards to the new MSFS ...As always what you see in the promo videos does always equate to what it plays and looks like on your PC ..... RTX2080 -11GB + I9's and tons of ram etc etc ...... Like we can all afford a new machine when they release these new versions .... I look forwards to your next video ...Many Thanks

[@Ozzy-K]

Like many I've sunk thousands and thousands into P3D and so many scenery and utilities, and also done the same with X-plane from 9 to 11. The frame rate improvements with XP11.50beta are just gob-smacking even with the settings fully cranked up to a level I previously thought impossible.. The only reason I've upgraded/rebuilt (the last three times) my PC was for P3D but even a 5Mhz 8700 with 64GB Ram and RTX 2080TI have made little difference (not so for XP11) Knowing how good MSFS 2020 will eventually be is very exciting and of course it will be on my PC on day 1 but I still won't dump X-Plane and look forward to v12. Unfortunately, I haven't experienced value for money with all my P3D upgrades. I just feel most of what I have been paying for is bug fixes and of course, each time, some payware aircraft and scenery have to be dumped or upgraded at significant cost with very little to show for it all. I'm pretty sure I've spent more time reading in the forums and tweaking and tweaking in an attempt to gain just one or two fps than I have spent flying. I think I'm going to need to see some really amazing fps boosts (close to double which is what XP11.50 is showing me) and some major visual improvements (scenery popping, black spots, stutters, pauses) in many KZbin review videos before I would consider a P3Dv5 upgrade. Given the time, money and tears I have given to P3D, it's going to really hurt to give up though, but definitely time to slap myself and get over it and move on.

[@SimHangerFS]

Kym Harper , hi Kym, DirectX12 may bring to Prepar3d what Vulkan has to Xplane, but I understand your sentiments, a wait and see approach sounds prudent to me. I must say the promotional video was a bit jerky....that worried me. Thanks for commenting. Take care

[@Ozzy-K]

@@SimHangerFS I guess with the X-Plane 11.50 switch to Vulkan at no cost makes me feel a little worse about P3Dv5 and with all the videos I've seen so far, none have run for long enough for me to see if the scenery still pops destroying any feeling of reality. Time will tell I suppose. :-) Thanks for the video and your efforts with this and the others.

[@kpan500]

Most of my cash is tied up in add-ons and not P3D. If v5 will improve what I already own I will likely upgrade.

[@SimHangerFS]

nickelfloor , fair comment and many simmers are in the same boat...as long as the third parties don’t charge too much to upgrade, hopefully for free. Regards

[@johnritchie913]

X-Plane 11.50 with Vulkan suits me fine, indeed a wonderful experience . with lots more to come. At no cost to me. This is were i will stay and enjoy flying GA AIRCRAFT.

[@SimHangerFS]

John Ritchie , hello and thanks for your comments. Fair enough. Regards

[@johnritchie913]

WILL I Upgrade ? No to many rules and very expensive.MARK love your show and looking forward to the next video.John R.

[@removebe4flight]

This is really v5? Looks like v4.6, sorry p3d.

[@juliezaremskiy3635]

Those ground textures desperately need an upgrade. It's been nearly a decade of p3d but still left with those shitty ground textures from fsx over 12 years ago

[@SimHangerFS]

Nathan Zaremskiy , hi Nathan, I totally agree with you. It is one of the biggest issues for me, plus the airports look like a Lego build. Thanks for your feedback. Regards

[@Enaklam]

@@SimHangerFS Lego build. Love it.

[@fresnojason]

As a user of both P3D v4.5 and XP11 I am interested to see how the actual release of v5 actually plays out. I have a pretty high end system and have been fairly disappointed by the performance of v4.5 on it. XP11 as well disappointed me but to a much less degree and with Vulkan looming am hoping to actually be able to release the beast so to say that my system is. If the DX12 API can do for P3D what Vulkan is looking to be able to do for XP11 I would likely jump in to the pool. But for now I will wait and see. I am a new full time streamer of Flight Sims and would love to showcase the wonders of v5 if it turns out to warrant it. But as of now most of my P3D flying is off stream as XP11 even pre-Vulkan has proven to be more reliable and visually pleasing. I have thousands of $$$ into my aircraft and scenery in P3D and would love to be able to use them proudly like I currently do in XP11 on stream.

[@SimHangerFS]

fresnojason , hello and thanks for sharing your views. The flight sim world is definitely interesting at the moment. I wish you all the success with your new stream. I’ll be sure to look you up. Stay well & safe. Regards

[@fresnojason]

@@SimHangerFS Please by all means come by. I try to focus on procedures and checklists in the Commercial Aircraft. Wide variety of planes as well from Airbus, Boeing, Avro, and De Havilland Q400 . Anyhow feel free to drop by www.twitch.tv/fresnojay1976. If linking is not permitted please delete.

[@BuggSmasher]

I wasn't aware that P3d users were NOT given a discount for renewal, and lets face it there's been quite a few updates and upgrades . . . .I am pretty shocked if not disgusted that they haven't been supported with relevant discounts for there commitment. Take a third party like Orbx whom have honored their customers with a multi install across at least three platforms, FSX / FSX-se / P3d v1 through to v5. Now you would think a much larger company like "Lockheed Martin" might Honor the very customers and franchise they bought into! I was thinking of buying into P3d for the first time while letting FS2020 slide for a few years, but this has me thinking!

[@SimHangerFS]

Bugg Smasher , consider Xplane, it is also v.good 👍

[@airbluex79]

Correct MS team at released 2020 will not direct 12

[@SimHangerFS]

Galloway Hervy , MSFS is built with DX11 at the core as DX12 was not available when development started. There is a planned port to DX12 prior to release I believe. Hopefully this happens. The push to DX12 is coming from Microsoft directly. Regards

[@airportsmanchester]

I total agree with you . To buy or not to buy . I think i'll leave it for a mouth . And just see which third party will port there addons over for free . . Otherwise it's going to be another shed load of money .

[@SimHangerFS]

david rabone , hi David, I’m pretty much in your camp at the moment, wait and see. Thanks for commenting. Regards

[@MegaPeedee]

I would have expected - rather hoped for - LM to at least discount the new version for those who had purchased previous versions. I have purchased all versions thus far, with my first purchase being the Academic Version before updating to the Professional Version because of the annoying watermark on the Academic Version (that was almost a tongue twister). This watermark was designed, I would say, to drive people to upgrade to the Professional Version and of course hand over more cash. Flight Simulation is a very expensive pastime (or training tool) when combined with scenery and other add-ons, and of course hardware. I feel for people with limited funds. X-Plane and AeroFly both disappointed me and although I still have them I find them frustrating and slow to update - so they gather virtual dust and will remain that way. So that leaves only P3d for me and I suppose I will have to dish out more cash without a discount (they give you nothing for loyalty). I think Microsoft FS2020 can't come quick enough despite the monthly subscription. I added all my FS costs up a few weeks ago and it came to around AU$40K since 1993 - I don't regret that but I am getting older and I wonder if shovelling more costly coal on the FS fires is worth it. LM may be shooting themselves in the undercarriage by maintaining their current pricing model.

[@Enaklam]

Yes, I agree, esp with your last sentence.

[@jimgesell8847]

If the panel graphics (gauges) is fixed I will up grade. Downloaded C208 from Carenado for both PrepadV4.4 & FSX . Readability of gauges in FSX is 100% better. Not the only plane either.

[@SimHangerFS]

Jim Gesell , hello Jim, thanks for your feedback. Regards

[@harleyblue999]

I think i might wait a little bit longer,willing to continue with what i have 4.5 3.5 fsx yes still looks good bolstered by a lot of money spent on orbx and so many ad dons,lets not forget also the hardware i have built to get my pc up to top spec,i7 4.6 ghz 4gb graphics 16 gb ddr4 ram water cooled from the mains tap,even that gets warm,thinking about liquid nitrogen,you get the point i am sure,love yah.

[@lockdownsim9681]

Happy with XP Vulkan. No more investment in P3D. Maybe FS2020 will be worth it. TBH With the amount of scenery I have even that will require another SSD!

[@fl3604]

too late p3d..the same for xp11! looking forward for mfs2020. anyway good channel sir, congrats

[@2911romeo]

i have my dough's about P3DV5 I will stay to x-plane11 with Vulkan

[@SimHangerFS]

2911romeo , fair enough. Regards

[@6568pete]

I looked into P3D earlier, and when I learned that each version would cost me 200.00 plus addon upgrade fees I said no thanks, I'll soldier on with FSX. Now that MFS2020 is coming all purchases are on hold until it shows up. then the wallet will open up. so in a nutshell.. wait for Christmas.

[@SimHangerFS]

6568pete , I think many simmers will adopt a similar approach. Regards

[@dkberesk1]

why not just get the academic license for 60$???? if its only you using it i dont see the difference.

[@missionforward1774]

P3D is too expensive and Bill Gates is a rat...(Yes, I know he stepped down from Microsoft but he'll still have most control). That only leaves X-Plane 11 and I'm good with that.

[@JoeBlow-vv9ml]

@@dkberesk1 seeing so many comments bout it costing them $200....i just dont understand them not getting the $60 version

[@SimHangerFS]

dkberesk1 , hello and thanks for commenting. The problem is I am not a student or learning to fly etc. As a content creator I would feel uncomfortable using the wrong licence. Regards

[@hotelpilot3112]

Like most comments have stated, I will not purchase V5 and wait patiently for MSFS 2020,

[@stefanbenzinger9465]

Thank you for those insights and your thougts. Mine go in the same direction - on the other hand, all my investments in p3d over the past years will most presumably be usable in v5 at no extra cost. Not sure, how all the developers will handle this for MSFS2020. But for the very moment, I hold my credit card still, enjoy my new hardware and v4.5 on it. All the best to you, stay safe in those times!

[@johnmilford4603]

Another good video sir . I think they are going to have to look at their sales model . A heavily discounted upgrade price would go a long way .They need to do something if they want to remain a viable and popular platform for simmers . MSFS 2020 is going to change the simming world . If it`s as good as we are all hoping , everything will be affected . If it`s only half as good as it looks . There will be a lot of people considering any other platform upgrade . Wait and see is going to be the path i choose . I think it`s going to be a well trodden path at that . Keep up the good work sir .

[@SimHangerFS]

John Milford , thanks John, your right this will be the most common path many will follow. Regards