prepare to be floored

[@ttgk8506]

Pug has a real talent for picking really cheap contractors and acting surprised when they do terrible work

[@Thefilotei]

Yeah as a contractor myself I see it and it's kinda funny not gonna lie, can't buy a Ferrari for the price of a Volkswagen

[@damagecase13]

Right? It's honestly the only reason I'm subscribed to him.

[@carmac1652]

You get what you pay for 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@throttlebottle5906]

yes and there seems to be multiple underlying issue with the concrete, something years of chemicals leeching into it, bad pour and poor prep work. some floors simply should never be epoxy coated, demo it and pour a new floor! nobody is perfect as a contractor, it takes many years of experience and all the labor fields are chock full of green wet behind the ears know nothing and don't care folks. but then again the majority of products being installed are all total garbage quality, designed by college folks with ZERO hand on field experience and guided by bean counters(accountants). they'll all figure it out when they cannot afford to live, lose everything and have to downgrade 50 fold or nobody will support their habits of having luxury items. aka multiple things break and it takes them weeks to many months to get it repaired or replaced.

[@D4x4Bronc]

Then playing toomuchi and not wanting to pay or making them come out 100 times to get his money worth

[@heahea]

I Feel like you got a great eye for hiring terrible contractors over and over and over again

[@bendermi]

I was wondering if all contractors work like these guys running in Pug1 movies .

[@PnwOnTour]

Bad contractors are gold content to Pug 🍯 for his movies

[@bendermi]

@@PnwOnTour If you ask Pug1 he will rather have a floor than having content. Do you have other problems than thinking logic ? Just put them out here nobody will notice.

[@shanegiggie]

I think it's more of an Ontario thing, and I don't beg my pard.

[@Blingwat56]

Biggest loser on KZbin.

[@mikemutton]

The house used to be a tractor dealership, concrete is porous, how much oil has soaked into that floor? That’s the problem.

[@baronvonblueeyes7685]

You are right...but you can't tell a goof that though.

[@randallgaus502]

Good work is never cheap. Cheap work is never good.

[@JonnyMudMower]

👌🏻🇨🇦🍻

[@tomtheplummer7322]

Ya forgot the fast variable.

[@tomtheplummer7322]

Good, fast, cheap. Can only pick two.

[@oskarbjornstad877]

I’m young and I don’t charge a ton but it does take me a while but I’ve literally never had anyone say my work was bad so idk. I think companies have a way of jacking up prices and getting other people to do the work for them and for that I agree cheap work is bad and good work isn’t cheap. But I think it’d be very beneficial to homeowners if there was more people who were just honest like me, but I’m biased.

[@andrewslagle1974]

you can do a good job at a fair price higher price equals better is bull shite!no pride in there work that is the problem. if someone wants a cheep job i will not put my reputation on the line like that !

[@orange70383]

They tell ya the source of the problem is the dirt that's continually coming out of your ducts, you'll have to get em cleaned before they can start on the floors. They give you the number of a highly skilled duct cleaning company, just ask for mr. jerry and make an appointment.

[@watcher_1960]

FukinA

[@sting64az]

Pugs still working on a set day for duct cleaning when that guy calls him but that's been going on and on and on...

[@RIQGEE3]

yup, "mr. jerry rig".

[@TexxxTexaco]

You should of asked your outside painters if they would do the floors. The only guys you have hired that didn't rip you off!

[@danh2134]

Pug used a car as partial payment , the car ended up being junk and I'll doubt they will pick up the phone when pug calls

[@TexxxTexaco]

@@danh2134 Those guys did a great job. Even Pug couldn't find any problems.

[@danh2134]

@@TexxxTexaco they did but pug lowballed them and gave them a junk car.

[@TexxxTexaco]

@@danh2134 I watched it happen. Pug screwed his only good contractors.

[@adamwest404]

Yeah, you know any successful painters who do that kind of work for $500.

[@johnpowers1125]

I wonder if there’s a lot of oils soaked into that old concrete from the days of being a tractor dealership and the oils in the concrete won’t let anything stick to it? Epoxy failing 3 times is unusual.

[@heyinway]

Bingo !

[@unbelievablebuilds]

Bingo it needs ground down and neutralized with acid then a moisture barrier sealer

[@dre145]

Or maybe don't be a big dumb goof and put tile or hardwood from the beginning beg my pard

[@watcher_1960]

Guess. You didn’t watch deboss garage do his epoxy floors...

[@cgindustrial1859]

I have a feeling you are just a nightmare of a customer, no matter what the transaction is.

[@RadioControlAdventures]

It's never good when someone comes to do work for you and they have to use your stuff to do the job... I.e. gas..

[@danh2134]

The zavits pulled that same act , great content was the result

[@ChrisG0]

Bingo

[@dc7468]

This is the type of stuff that happens to you when you’ve been a big goof your whole life. I believe they call it karma

[@fightzoid]

When they show up and dont have gas for their generator it might be time to ask them to leave.

[@unbelievablebuilds]

It looked like they used pugs generator too cuz theirs didn’t work

[@imchris5000]

pug1/2 done loves the epoxy floor because it reminds him of prison

[@Yamaha350w]

Yea when they had him bent over thats all he would see ehhh ffs

[@SKyNeT948]

Reminder him of shower day

[@adcuz]

Strange choice of flooring for a house.

[@baronvonblueeyes7685]

lol

[@peterbuilt2232]

U pick these guys up front of homedepot

[@cyan1518]

Pug is gonna find the cheapest tile guys on kijiji and we'll see the same deal in about a month or so

[@typ2vw159]

New movie coming soon.😂😂😂😂😂🥃

[@1955gaylord]

Yea pug gets screwed over by triad tile guys ! Asbestos tiles no guda !!!!

[@Southlondonrider92]

Can't wait

[@ADSC2006]

See it first on the Patretards.

[@grizzly8859]

His floor will be 👌fak'in👌 mint 👌 when I'm done with it boys!. You all will be eating your word at the end of a couple weeks when I'm done. Mint👌

[@MikeyFFA500]

You know your flooring company is GREAT when they don't even have flashlights LOLLL

[@throttlebottle5906]

many of us are lazy and don't drag tools around and often just use our idiot devices (smart-*dumb*-phones or tablets) as the flashlight (yeah lol) or could walk to vehicle and grab one of the multiple "lighting devices" ready to go. but it's mostly to hear the customer talk and suggest nonsensical things or not listen when you tell them the underlying product is very poorly made and the new fang-dangled technology won't adhere to it ;) AKA. now days products are designed by college folks with ZERO hands on/field experience, further boxed in by the perfect lab settings and surroundings. long ago, the colleges were filled with folks which had many hours hands on field experience and looking to improve themselves and that they did, it just doesn't work out so well in reverse and becomes devolution into the mire of a sea of trash and junk. it's all coming to an abrupt sharp ending and far sooner than you think. ;)

[@johnny6071]

@@throttlebottle5906 They laid epoxy on a damp dusty floor, is your head ok? They have 2 generators but no lights off hangers in that dark room they are working in, with a dark product? You're a tool bud, as you say though, you probably only went to school until you were 12, then entered the "real" world. LOL

[@thekillingofamerica3385]

Fleshlites is a must

[@blueonblack3971]

For $17,000 I could epoxy Inwood,, that's crazy. If you need anything else done let me know. I can stick the shaft to you, and I will even be cheaper.

[@JustMe-yk7mb]

Need to hire Zavitz Flooring to install a vapor barrier underlayment, and laminate flooring on top.

[@Viking88Power]

This

[@Josh-md1yi]

That short guy had an attitude about doing his job the right way!

[@davenelson4334]

I'd put a floating wood floor throughout. It would cut the echo and look excellent. Cheap, easy to maintain, last long time and best of all looks great.

[@Nick-ck5mk]

I was thinking the same thing

[@Josh-md1yi]

That would've been my first choice! Looks a whole lot better than having a concrete floor!

[@kelly00000111111]

That would make too much sense and would require half a brain in his head to achieve

[@ttgk8506]

That would be too easy for ole pug1

[@dre145]

He would hire tile guys to install the flooring and then complain

[@jymkym11]

It's not moisture, it's the built up oil in the concrete. You'll never be able to get anything to stick. Your the goof.

[@vinnie2033]

Vinyl plank is the way to go, the concrete is way too contaminated.

[@kyle1m]

yeah nothing is gonna stick to that concrete but they should of known that before dropping all that product on the floor that ended up getting scraped back up again

[@unbelievablebuilds]

It would work but it needs ground down. Neutralized with acid, then a moisture barrier sealer. Then epoxy. His concrete has been exposed for years, so much was soaked into concrete pours causing moisture problems. Dog urine RUINS concrete

[@ionhunter]

@@unbelievablebuilds You leave my Ex Wife out of this.

[@11co5955]

@@unbelievablebuilds Exactly. I do epoxy work myself and I can tell you right now they did not grind enough using a handheld grinder.

[@need4snow7]

I work in service and Pug Is the Epitome of a nightmare customer

[@blueonblack3971]

I agree, he hires the worst and cheapest contractors he can and expects top notch work. It's like he has a brain injury or something.

[@eddie2dean]

Agree. I love pug and this channel. he is entertaining af, but working for him looks like a nightmare.

[@ChirpyMike]

Walmart doesn't count as "service".

[@colinmunro3266]

@@eddie2dean he just hovers over everyone steady!!!

[@chuckfry1227]

Hey Goof you bought a tractor repair shop. How many oil and hydratrans and gear lubed shoe bottoms strolled on those floors soaking everything through. Sometimes lipstick doesn’t stick to the pig.

[@fairylint6018]

Thats why Tiff re applies it everyday.

[@michaellast1385]

Idk, if this was their job shouldn't they know to clean with some sort of degreaser first? Just saying.. I mean would a builder build a house without first making sure the foundation is good?

[@alanalilley3037]

Does if you prep it rite

[@firewalker1372]

Well when he hires “Bills flooring, hair care, and tattoo shop” what do ya expect. Guy doesn’t realize you get what you pay for ffs.

[@sts.556]

there is oil and grease ground in that floor from 50 years ago , it will never be completely right pug man prolly

[@joeaarsen0]

Not to mention they didn't put moisture/Vapor barrier under the concrete back then either.

[@pistolvixens]

$17,000? You coulda put down gorgeous tile or hardwood 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@nathancannon2235]

Man I'm a contractor from texas an I tell ppl that if your wanting to stain or paint over concrete floors don't do it iv never seen one that turned out perfect and would hold up just put down some heavy duty vinyl plank

[@unbelievablebuilds]

Only way if it gets ground down 1/8th of an inch, neutralized with acid and washed off with soap and water and then a moisture barrier sealer applied.

[@pug2322]

NASA might rent your place for the next recording of the moon landing with a floor like that!

[@nativemanateeroughskins774]

Hahah bmp but that was an excellent comment

[@brianmoore8882]

Havent seen pugs like this since the zavit roofing days.every deal is an ordeal...

[@peterboroughscannerfeed5510]

He’s like this every time he hires a contractor, the last time was the driveway lol

[@smitty554]

Don't forget the Drywall Dicks

[@asrex101]

Always the same 🤦🤦🤦

[@joebob553]

The roof dicks have had to be the worst

[@JonnyMudMower]

My kid spilled paint on my shop floor and it looked better than that shit lol

[@powerful246]

And it probably didn’t come off

[@JonnyMudMower]

@@powerful246 it was full can of black rust-oleum onto a dry untreated concrete floor ,, footprints everywhere looked like he had a dance party looking for a way to hide it lolol

[@JOHNNYFUTS]

Paulyestor watching and laughing at Pug🤣

[@baronvonblueeyes7685]

......and Zavitz

[@Chestercopperpot06]

@@baronvonblueeyes7685 Lmao!

[@tobyflenderson5341]

I guess ricks bathroom Reno in the trailer never got finished BEG MY PARD

[@bokluge3855]

What did you mean, the doniker is mint!

[@neathway382]

First thing that stood out, for me, as a sign of things to come was you having to gas up their generator when they showed up. Right there I thought "Yeah, this isn't going to end well.".

[@cabdriveruk]

Zavitz has gone into flooring now, another bunch of cowboy contractors.

[@danh2134]

Zavits bros contractors are the only ones available in inwood.

[@cabdriveruk]

@@danh2134 The only useless ones available

[@grizzly8859]

I checked their Facebook page. You NEVER have 4 shot of subflooring intersect. Must be staggered. If those are your before and after pictures you suck!

[@gitsome7118]

Usually I’d be goofin on pug but he’s right as rain boys. Ya can’t let these companies treat you like a pin cushion. They’ll get away with everything you let them. Stovepipe !

[@Blingwat56]

I love how the epoxy was harder to take off the longer it sat

[@patrickblock2477]

No, he got to the area that they properly prepared

[@mackwoodcock7484]

just put laminate down and call it a day

[@joeysgarage6438]

That’s what I did works great in my garagepartmemt

[@jbee1542]

That floor needs to be sufaced before applying penetraiting concrete sealer. It can be polished after. That's really your only option. Epoxy will not adhere to that concrete, and the best tile thinset will lift over time.

[@nativemanateeroughskins774]

Forsure. Whole thing is a loss. Strip, chisel and grind floor to bare concrete and use a polymer modified thinset and he'd be back in business. But that wouldn't make a good movie. Kajiji hereeeeeee he come

[@terrym3543]

The contractor I watch do this kind of work, started off with some form of concrete etcher like muriatic acid. then poured a thin coat approximately 1/8 of an inch thick over the top. This filled in all the pits in the floor It was smooth as a baby's bottom when he was done. I believe there may have been a sanding then polishing Step at the end as well.

[@user-gx8yq]

What happened to The bin boy? We haven’t seen him in awhile at least when Rick left you made a long movie on that. Bmp

[@nmoconnors]

I been asking this lol what is this a rehab place lmao

[@joeblow8893]

Rick left? I was wondering where he went. 🤔

[@yungBitta291]

He went back to being a carney winter hand only

[@trirycheman]

Haven't seen Tiffany in a long while either.....

[@danielmccarthy4709]

@@trirycheman she left because pug is picky nazi pain in the ass

[@dsshowerpan]

The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of a good price. Pay once, cry once bud. Wish I felt sorry for ya.

[@finpainter1]

Just put a vinyl plank floor down. Hell with the crappy epoxy

[@doric_historic]

For $17,000 i would have done it myself, what is wrong with folks, the world is in dire need of a reset...

[@doric_historic]

...what Goofs around comes around.

[@fourtwozero]

Your floor looks great buddy! Love the moon crater look. Happy Friday cheech!

[@gitsome7118]

Hey buddy. First to services ! Got a good visit from pbc goin into the weekend. Scoooores ! Have a dyno mite weeknerds buddy. Stovepipe !

[@fourtwozero]

@@gitsome7118 That's the spirit buddy! Enjoy and stovepipee!

[@JayOh]

hahahahaha

[@spencerdonald6102]

I do flooring but I don’t do epoxy coatings but most guys I know would pour a thin coat of leveller over the whole area first to fill in all the imperfections

[@scottdrenske830]

Crazy floor guys can't do it right. Need to acid wash floor to get all the crap up.

[@unbelievablebuilds]

Yup needs ground down, neutralized with acid then a moisture barrier sealer once dry

[@Modifyre]

They should have showed up with a floor grinder or tell them go home.

[@cuuscuus]

havent been here for 3 years and you still doing this floors

[@bragg77]

What would you pay for a brand new floor not even wait for it to harden and then rip it out?

[@chrisallen9154]

Hey Pug, now you know how people feel when you rip them off. Hurts doesn't it?

[@2010ChargerRT]

Could lay a lot of laminate for 17 grand bmp

[@ChirpyMike]

Or actual hardwood

[@drgreenthumb2339]

Its prolly bc the place was a shop with oil on the floors before you bought it. Now its comming back up from the concrete. Happens with paint a lot.

[@0truckmafk]

bud... condensation on the roof, condensation on yr floors, and condensation on your drivewerds. friggin inwerds is loaded with condensation.

[@aceburgers8801]

Enough with the epoxy BS buddy, they got bang up flooring that looks pretty darn close to real wood grain and it super easy to lay down. Get it ya goof!!!!

[@jj691]

Moisture problem for the roof Moisture problem for the floor Moisture problem for your choice of contractors bud skeeeeee

[@wpgjets2011]

A lot of homes with epoxy bedrooms and living rooms

[@lucasaccount573]

Gotta put as much stress on pugs joints as possible

[@chuckfry1227]

Yeah but not tractor repair shops soaked with oils. Pug is a goof.

[@abdcontractingltd]

I like how the guy is just on his knees inspecting everything like it's going to make the situation better with pug standing over his shoulder. The guy know he's screwed 😭

[@unbelievablebuilds]

Also taping plastic to concrete is how a proper moisture test is taken. That was right. Your concrete needs ground down, neutralized with acid. Let it dry and seal floor then epoxy

[@unbelievablebuilds]

I take pride in my floors. You can trust me, you had bare concrete for years over the last 5 years I been watching you. So much could of been spilt and absorbed in the concrete pores. Needs ground down and treated with acid to neutralize. Then Sealed to create a moisture barrier. Then Epoxy ontop..

[@Eremon1]

Never pay for a full job up front, period. NEVER. Always write up a contract. 20-30% down to secure the job, progress payments as necessary at predetermined times until completion. If they try to tell you otherwise something is probably wrong.

[@dennisfalcioni875]

epoxy floor is never going to look good!

[@throttlebottle5906]

after seeing video at 20:00 forward, that concrete is "ancient/soft/bad mix/hot loads"(not meant to be smooth and strong), meaning it will "NEVER" hold any type of floor coatings. best bet? (you don't want to know) tear it out, pour a new floor with good concrete mix, allow to fully cure (1+ year) then apply coatings. alternate, cut your loses and stick some waterproof floating composite overtop the epoxy coating as is. that would should last 5 to 15 years, depending on abuse, like junk dropped on it/burnt/chemicals/etc.

[@unbelievablebuilds]

Hey pug floor layer here. Your concrete could be bad from dog urine, I’ve seen it before happen. Needs ground down and you have to seal the concrete before epoxy

[@unbelievablebuilds]

I promise this is the problem

[@unbelievablebuilds]

You have to use acid and neutralize the urin throughout all your concrete after grinding, then sealer, then epoxy

[@unbelievablebuilds]

Hopefully you see this in time. Acid will neutralize the dog urine out of the concrete. Dog urine causes moisture problems because it soaks in concrete and absorbs in concrete pores

[@blueonblack3971]

I do floors as well and you are exactly correct. It will never work I less he uses acid and is ground down.

[@unbelievablebuilds]

@@blueonblack3971 I love flooring wbu lol but yes I’ve seen this happen too many times by now. Once you master the trade, you prepare for the worst always always always especially on old unsealed concrete

[@joeaarsen0]

Was that Tiff at 23:55 talking about someone in the Laneway?

[@lordhoho1]

Let's see who can I hire to do a shitty job so I can have a video for my channel

[@ChirpyMike]

Yep. And here you are, dingus.

[@ozzyfranf]

Wouldn't you automatically do a moisture test? And then determine the best way to proceed.

[@dazxmedia]

Zavitz flooring?

[@danh2134]

Zavits are the contractors that sent them goofs

[@davidsquall351]

No epoxy or sealer will stop moisture from coming up through the concrete. Without a moisture barrier under the slab this will continue to be a problem.

[@Viking88Power]

Your a goof, but keep them coming. I love this series of videos. Oil contamination, pretty obvious.

[@Perkiner]

Good series recommendation! Pugs Fav Contractors

[@toddwarren609]

After all is said in done , pug and the old lady will cover the entire floor with carpet and furniture and you will see about 6 square inches of floor

[@rhynoman2561]

I guess you bought him that quad.

[@hunterr1241]

I’m convinced Ol’ Pug finds the worst reviewed people on Yelp then hires them.

[@jeffyjoebob8300]

"It'll buff out"- Zavits You'll Be Floored

[@peterbuilt2232]

Concrete prob soked in gas and oil Concrete is shit now

[@dieselbroke7389]

Where’s inwoods best bin boy

[@tajvlogs9296]

Take a pant antler somewhere prolly

[@steveo1483]

Quit that kind

[@infectedwound]

why’d he quit

[@thnksno]

The Coof quit, full rides at Carnyville!

[@fredted1611]

@@thnksno At the carny he only has to work like a dog twice a week, set up and tear down. For Pug it was 5 days a week.

[@krusty6381]

I feel your pain, paid 4 different contractors to install my bathtub and the tub still leaks. Nobody want to do their work properly they all promise the moon until they start then the half ass it.

[@ponyboycurtis007]

wtf... ive installed a hundred bathubs and never had one leak

[@tnridge]

Why did you not just put laminate flooring down? Would of looked better and it wears great.

[@SargentandGreenLeaf]

Double confirm through text, then it's a done deal, it wasn't removed Pryor to pouring, the contract is breached. No pay.

[@outlawtrucker187]

6k later i ended up doing it myself. Tile the floor. No headaches. It will last forever.

[@1955gaylord]

Yea he probably bought a bunch of Chinese asbestos tiles out of the back of a truck on the docks for 2 dabs !!!°

[@derekchauvinisahero2010]

I don’t think this guy ever does anything himself, except pick up junk cars, and even when he does that he fuckin has Jack’s cracking him in the head and shit ... like seriously I just started checking out this channel a couple weeks ago but it seems to be either him bitching about someone he hired to do work or bitching about people who come to buy parts ...

[@unbelievablebuilds]

@@derekchauvinisahero2010 that jack incident was a total accident, I respect pug and everything he does.

[@outlawtrucker187]

@@1955gaylord your name fits your family 👪

[@1955gaylord]

I'm your father , and your point ?

[@jenniferwineman1669]

The cheap comes out expensive!!

[@sting64az]

@14:02 bubbles? Pugs you gonna wear down that bubble in time with you big shoes... No worries..

[@shawnsweetpee7059]

Those fish eyes are from some sort of chemicals or water dahh

[@timwelch5112]

Looks like #4 floor coming up!

[@DonaldKing23]

Some folks shouldn't hire contractors , the old saying goes , " If You want a job done right , do it Yourself "

[@re9947]

Pug's place is a dump.

[@deanishere7237]

*WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT PRISON FLOORING IN THE FIRST PLACE... THIS CARROT NEVER LEARNS !!!*

[@fairylint6018]

Easy clean up with the mess created by Biff pounding out the carrots fart box.

[@BlackCat-zh4oj]

Yo pug I saw that tent! Are you growing green cigert tomatoes?

[@MiguelHernandez-oi3fi]

You deserve all of it bud. Every second every penny.

[@jonnydare1427]

I luv it when Criss has problems!!!!! It’s really funny!!!!! O beg my pard!!!!!

[@vicfazio7847]

Looks like the concrete is contaminated with a lifetime of tractor service.

[@unbelievablebuilds]

Yes a dog urine RUINS concrete. It soaks into the pores

[@blueonblack3971]

You are correct, it will never stick to it for long.

[@MoneyMarcMes]

Pug just losing his shit big times! Love it!

[@MikeyFFA500]

Why pay a good company to do a good job once when you can pay bad companies to do three shit jobs??? BMP

[@tjhanlonjr]

Hires no professionals and gets mad

[@unbelievablebuilds]

Since you’re doing tile now, you still need to grind down and neutralize the concrete with acid and wash it off. Seal floor completely then apply thinset. Or you’ll have same problem with thinset not bonding because of moisture issues coming from everything that has been soaked in the concrete pores over the last few decades

[@grizzly8859]

The kitchen floor I did their still looks mint👌!. You dont have to neutralize the concrete with acid and then apply a sealer. Thinset is in adhesive. It will bond to the concrete

[@imchris5000]

why remove the old flooring just dump some self leveling cement and mortar it

[@shawnsweetpee7059]

18:27 I don't know how you didn't kick him in the head when he was there picking at the floor wtf

[@FRESHx913x]

How come you didn't stop him once you seen he wasn't doing what he agreed to? In this movie you questioned him then walked away an let him finish all over your face so to speak.

[@Durbandanify]

Real bad prepwork nerver leave old epoxy residue on the working surfase, like you said pug, u need a clean bare concrete surface, FREE FROM DUST AND EPOXY... I have laid several epoxy and acrylic floors and we have nerver had problems with peeling floors "due to moister". Its all bad prepwork. Goofs...

[@ksutherland8297]

Floor guys made a goof outta you

[@deerski4426]

He does a pretty good job of it himself 🤡

[@sting64az]

That concrete is maybe 45+ years old and I bet many things have dropped on it.. Lay wood flooring and call it a day...

[@dpell1979]

I think a name change is in order for Mr.Pug, I'm thinking Karen1

[@CCP600]

I’m embarrassed if they are Mexicans. Out here in the states Mexicans by far do the best work. Even ones from Home Depot with zero experience could do a better job then that and I know because I used them as workers all the time.