Preservation of Quran vs Hadith

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[@Quran19net]

❤Quran, the Whole Quran, and Nothing But the Quran

[@AshTheGamerIsAwesome]

how do you pray

[@Quran19org]

In the hadiths, there is no instruction on how to perform the prayer with all the details, except for closing the hands or if someone passes in front of the prayer, the prayer will be invalidated..., when I was a Sunni, I did not learn the prayer from the hadiths or the Sunnah, I looked at the Muslims, Muslims followed Muhammad and Muhammad followed Abraham’s religion 16:123 . And I used to perform like a parrot, but now, thanks to God,I check Quran and He guided me with the light of Quran and his messenger 4:59 . Now for the Contact Prayers (Al-Salat) and the obligatory charity (Al-Zakat) ...,we checking the Quran if where we have mistakes we’re correcting because God says in ([16:64] We have revealed this scripture to you, to point out for them what they dispute, and to provide guidance and mercy for people who believe). For example for salat , God says You shall not utter your Contact Prayers (Salat) too loudly, nor secretly; use a moderate tone 17:110 , and He says do not call on anyone else beside God in 6:162 , 7:29 ,20:14 , 72:18 . For example for Zakat God says Zakat Must Be Given "On The Day Of Harvest" 6:141 we know 2.5% Zakat is right because not any verse for correcting 2.5% … submit to God alone and trust in God and accept that Quran is Fully detailed 6:114❤

[@Quran19net]

In the hadiths, there is no instruction on how to perform the prayer with all the details, except for closing the hands or if someone passes in front of the prayer, the prayer will be invalidated..., when I was a Sunni, I did not learn the prayer from the hadiths or the Sunnah, I looked at the Muslims, Muslims followed Muhammad and Muhammad followed Abraham’s religion 16:123 . And I used to perform like a parrot, but now, thanks to God,I check Quran and He guided me with the light of Quran and his messenger 4:59 . Now for the Contact Prayers (Al-Salat) and the obligatory charity (Al-Zakat) .,we checking the Quran if where we have mistakes we’re correcting because God says in ([16:64] We have revealed this scripture to you, to point out for them what they dispute, and to provide guidance and mercy for people who believe). For example for salat , God says You shall not utter your Contact Prayers (Salat) too loudly, nor secretly; use a moderate tone 17:110 , and He says do not call on anyone else beside God in 6:162 , 7:29 ,20:14 , 72:18 . For example for Zakat God says Zakat Must Be Given "On The Day Of Harvest" 6:141 we know 2.5% Zakat is right because not any verse for correcting 2.5% … submit to God alone and trust in God and accept that Quran is Fully detailed 6:114❤

[@Crazy88277]

How do u know how many times to pray?

[@Quran19net]

In the hadiths, there is no instruction on how to perform the prayer with all the details, except for closing the hands or if someone passes in front of the prayer, the prayer will be invalidated..., when I was a Sunni, I did not learn the prayer from the hadiths or the Sunnah, I looked at the Muslims, Muslims followed Muhammad and Muhammad followed Abraham’s religion 16:123 . And I used to perform like a parrot, but now, thanks to God,I check Quran and He guided me with the light of Quran and his messenger 4:59 . Now for the Contact Prayers (Al-Salat) and the obligatory charity (Al-Zakat) .,we checking the Quran if where we have mistakes we’re correcting because God says in ([16:64] We have revealed this scripture to you, to point out for them what they dispute, and to provide guidance and mercy for people who believe). For example for salat , God says You shall not utter your Contact Prayers (Salat) too loudly, nor secretly; use a moderate tone 17:110 , and He says do not call on anyone else beside God in 6:162 , 7:29 ,20:14 , 72:18 . For example for Zakat God says Zakat Must Be Given "On The Day Of Harvest" 6:141 we know 2.5% Zakat is right because not any verse for correcting 2.5% … submit to God alone and trust in God and accept that Quran is Fully detailed 6:114❤

[@navidfarzan5489]

Praise God!

[@KoranischerIslam]

Rashadist.

[@dilancicek-we6nd]

There are some very very questionable hadiths even in Sahih Al Bukhari that not only contradict the Quran but also themselves and yet so many people accept it and defend it with their lives

[@aimmed7728]

Put those hadith here so we may know what are they.

[@ischaudhry9067]

You are being gentle by using the word "questionable". I say the whole material is forged in the name of The Prophet and blindly accepted by jackasses and monkeys.

[@steveryder1174]

​@@aimmed7728every single hadith of intercession contradicts Al Quran.

[@aimmed7728]

@@steveryder1174 list them so that we can compare and know whether they are authentic or made up by unknown source.

[@rethabilefeni4694]

as a former Christian, now "Sunni" Muslim, i don't believe in the preservation of the Hadiths. i was already skeptical about the Hadiths b4 converting to Islam (probably because of my past of finding out the Bible isn't preserved as Christians claim it to be and that it is, indeed, fallible). there are so many beautiful things that can be found in the Hadiths, but i'm sorry.. Allah never promised to preserved the Hadiths. they are prone to human biases and that's why i can't fully trust the Hadiths. i do follow some practices that are found in the Hadiths (such as prayer and so on) but other than that, i take everything else with a truck load of salt.

[@ischaudhry9067]

I would not even bother taking the conjecture (he heard from him he heard from him etc) even with the heavens load of salt. This is all human forged thing that crept in and swept away the Quranic thought.

[@AlBasrawi98]

What makes you a Sunni Muslim instead of just Muslim as a revert

[@rethabilefeni4694]

@@AlBasrawi98 "Sunni" because i believe Abu Bakr was the rightfully appointed Caliph (and Umar, Uthman and Ali). so by the definition of the word, i am a "Sunni" Muslim.

[@uthman2281]

​@@rethabilefeni4694 Not true.

[@uthman2281]

​@@AlBasrawi98 Are you Quranist

[@muhammadhaq7773]

Alhamdulillah. Thank u so much brother....Finally a chronological description of historical facts. All the best

[@junaidshaik7175]

May Allah Almighty reward you for your efforts in spreading the truth. I believe in the Word of God and that is Quran and nothing but the Quran. The Muslim world is in a mess today when people have deviated from the Word of Allah to a compilation full or errors and inconsistencies made by man. Keep up this excellent work.

[@valerieprice-wn9qb]

Absolutely Marvelous Presentation extremely interesting thank you

[@ischaudhry9067]

Book of jokes according to Mullah Bukhari Book of jokes according to Mullah Muslim And so on 😂

[@roukayajannah5111]

Please what is the website presenting old Quran manuscripts at time 26:00 I’m very interested! I need for a work. Thanks

[@iMar1_]

im interested too

[@ccx9562]

The Hadith collection is the worst bid,a in Islam because the Prophet,peace be upon him,did not collect nor ordered it and his immediate followers did not collect it.That fact alone is enough to dismiss all hadiths as a source of religion.

[@j2shoes288]

Proof?

[@Quran19net]

❤ ١٩:قُل أَىُّ شَىءٍ أَكبَرُ شَهٰدَةً قُلِ اللَّهُ شَهيدٌ بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَأوحِىَ إِلَىَّ هٰذَا القُرءانُ لِأُنذِرَكُم بِهِ وَمَن بَلَغَ أَئِنَّكُم لَتَشهَدونَ أَنَّ مَعَ اللَّهِ ءالِهَةً أُخرىٰ قُل لا أَشهَدُ قُل إِنَّما هُوَ إِلٰهٌ وٰحِدٌ وَإِنَّنى بَرىءٌ مِمّا تُشرِكونَ Quran, the Whole Quran, and Nothing But the Quran [6:19] Say, “Whose testimony is the greatest?” Say, “GOD‘s. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran* has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods* beside GOD .” Say, “I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry.”

[@user-ls6jo6wm3i]

Whats the oldes manuscript there is

[@Wazir.Akbar.Khan.wardag]

Birmingham manuscript

[@Ishraqiyyun]

Excellent, i will translate in Urdu Language and upload it to my Channel.

[@AbduAlrahman19]

Peace be upon you too

[@nickmansfield1]

Was was the testament of the messenger?

[@gizzmoremo4455]

👍👍

[@shahidanfurqan]

Forget how these were preserved or not, just compare Quran's Hadiths with other Hadiths and it should be enough to see how incomparable they are to each other. It reminds Verse 77:50 which of course most Muslims keep on denying. Another simple question is how can you follow the Quran's Hadiths if you follow other Hadiths? Are they even comparable? If you follow the rules for ablution from Verse 5:6 how can you follow other ways? How do you clean yourselves properly following the traditional way? Verse 5:6 says to first clean all uncleanness before starting ablution. How can you pray Salat by the traditional way while Quranic Salat differs ftom it? If things are lost like previous scriptures only then you can find a way that is most suitable for a problem. But if the solution or way is found in the existing Quran then why distort it or reject it?

[@ahmedsaeed109]

Salaam to you brother, and thank you for bringing into light the standard of preservation of the Quran versus the hadees. But i would love your take on the different versions of the Quran. I hope you do know that all across the Muslim civilization in the word (currently) there are more than 2 dozen versions of the Quran in circulation that have different amount of surahs, different words in them and verse numbers. I would certainly love to share detailed studied on this topic.

[@studiomagic236]

I have a question to ask you is there any way I can contact you please. Thanks.

[@shahid8545]

O believers! Obey Allah and *obey the Messenger* and those in authority among you. Should you disagree on anything, then refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is the best and fairest resolution.

[@bilalamarumosi8282]

But the ayat you mention doesn't make reference to outside sources. Not sure where you were going with your statement though

[@shahid8545]

@@bilalamarumosi8282 authenticated narrations should be followed do you agree? Do you also agree that the same way we have hadith we have the Quran?

[@bilalamarumosi8282]

@shahid8545 why would we follow hadith which can never be truly authenticated? Plus the ayat you refer to only applies fully if the messenger is actually alive. Hard to follow or obey someone who is dead right?

[@shahid8545]

@@bilalamarumosi8282 The same way the Quran is preserved by way of script is the same way the hadith have been preserved.

[@bilalamarumosi8282]

@shahid8545 oh come on brotha you don't really believe that do u. Lol. I mean they had to sift through all the junk and see what SOUNDED credible. And failed at that miserably I might add

[@isaacjamaar4794]

We need to start from Quran 15:9 how do know that, particular that verse is from God because he never revealed this verse direct to you

[@thebeesnuts777]

It's because Allah guides no one else can including Hadith or anything , if a person reads Quran it's their decision based on research to believe it , Hadith are secondary and I mean you use them for linguistic purposes and you refer back to them once you have formed a understanding from Quran first then the Hadith is corroboration to check if past people mentioned what your results came to as an extra validation on one's findings but the scholars today are doing opposite i.e no circumcision ever mentioned in Quran as an obligation but everyone does it like it's a requirement and they go to the extent of rejecting a person if he doesn't believe in that kufr practice, they say Hadith says so and you will go to hell, really ? And we have left nothing out the book These Jewish converts ( Bani Israel ) couldn't let go of that practice, instigated by Pharo , and they liked to be branded as slaves because that's what circumcision was a branding before that it was castration

[@Quran19org]

❤️ ٨٢:أَفَلا يَتَدَبَّرونَ القُرءانَ وَلَو كانَ مِن عِندِ غَيرِ اللَّهِ لَوَجَدوا فيهِ اختِلٰفًا كَثيرًا Proof of Divine Authorship [4:82] Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than GOD , they would have found in it numerous contradictions.*

[@TheoWrigt]

Tawatur… The sunnie religion is based on tracing their books to mohammed and that’s sufficient for them to believe so the reason behind their belief is not God but mohammed If your belief in the book is based on the book, then the way of transmission has no meaning, but if your belief in the book is based on the way of transmission, then your belief has no meaning… We did not believe the people that brought the Quran, but we believed the Quran. The person who delivers a message has done a human effort, but his human effort is not responsible for the truth it conveys nor is it responsible for my belief in that truth.... The truth is from God and my belief in the truth is not from that person, and thats what really matters... The issue of tawatur is a silly issue, because the credibility of the Qur’an was never due to its attribution to Muhammad or because so-and-so companion transmitted it, but rather the credibility of the Qur’an is generated from itself and the testimony of the text itself. The believers did not believe the Qur’an because Muhammad brought it, but rather they believed it when they heard it and knew that it was the truth... ( 28:53 ) : “And when it is recited to them they say: We believe in it, it is the truth from our Lord” ( 5:83 ) : “when they listen to that which has been revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes overflow with tears, because of their recognition of the truth” ( 72:1-2 ) : “Lo! We have heard a marvelous Quran, which guides to righteousness, so we believed in it” All of these verses confirm to the believer that the verses are self evident and their validity stems from them and not from men or a method of transmission. On the contrary, the infidels were the ones who wanted to attribute the Qur’an to a man of high social standing in order for them to believe him... “And they said: Oh that this Quran had but been revealed to a great man of the two cities!” ( 43:31 )

[@rethabilefeni4694]

couldn't have said it better myself!

[@uthman2281]

How do you know what is the Quran?

[@marriadurrani4901]

All praises to God Almighty.

[@DomainofKnowlegdia]

26:07 The manuscript dates you gave are incorrect and the radio carbon dating is a difficult process there are different dates for these manuscripts so we don't really know when these Quranic manuscripts were written and compiled.

[@homer1273]

don't talk like you are a scientist and an expert on carbon dating. lets instead listen to what real scientist say who carbon dated these manuscripts to around the time of prophet Muhammed

[@DomainofKnowlegdia]

@@homer1273 I'm not a scientist but the dates he give I also thought they were correct but later did some research and found there were different dates for each one of the manuscripts some were pre Islam and others were to late.

[@homer1273]

@@DomainofKnowlegdia if you admit you are not a scientist, then your so-called "research" is worthless

[@aimmed7728]

@@DomainofKnowlegdia they can only radio carbon test when the papers are made and its before the time of the Prophet (PBUH). Paper is a luxury back then and they are in the desert of Arabia which made paper rarer. To have the Quran written at the time of the Prophet's time and proven to be the same as the current copies is a testimony of God's promise to preserve the Quran.

[@DomainofKnowlegdia]

@@aimmed7728 We dont even know whether the Quranic corpus was even written at the time of Prophet Muhammad let alone it could be that Quran pre dates the time of Muhammad its possible that it was a compilation of different mythologies and legends from various middle eastern religions that dont exist know. Also the preservation of the Quran according to the Islamic tradition may not be accurate the early history of Islam is a black whole and there is really nothing that can be said without hard evidence its possible that some of the Islamic traditional sources are authentic but we simply dont know there are many possiblities. I agree to an extent that some of the Quranic corpus is presevered matching with the previous quranic corpuses but that doesnt prove it was God or Allah who preserved it miraculously.

[@ischaudhry9067]

Wrong title. Quran cannot be compared to "he heard from him he heard from him and so on". Do not devalue Quran by comparing it to conjecture. Thank you.

[@ukimenustah26]

Listen to video first before commenting

[@BM8C7]

Bro watched a 38 minute video in 4 minutes

[@ischaudhry9067]

​@@ukimenustah26 I do not like conjecture (he heard from him he heard from her he heard from him he heard from him and who knows who heard what from whom) compared to the word of Allah.

[@ischaudhry9067]

​@@BM8C7 I am an avid listener of this channel FYI. I am only commenting about the title. I am not claiming I watched the video. The title already repelled me.

[@alihijazi2655]

His point is that he is trying to debunk a traditionalist argument. You can’t argue with traditionalists without debunking them.

[@Scumophobe]

Good video, just a small correction The Reminder is “Contained” in the Quran, therefore it cannot be another name for the Quran but rather the Quran includes the Reminder.

[@AlBasrawi98]

Just as a friendly note, Sahih is pronounced “sah-ghigh”

[@azizgierdien4837]

🥱

[@omarchikhi2595]

No bro arabic my native and mother tongue definitely pronounced SAHIH صحيح

[@AlBasrawi98]

@@omarchikhi2595 yes that’s what I’m saying صحيح. He’s pronouncing it صاهيه . Arabic is also my tongue 🤝

[@ischaudhry9067]

There is no "Sahih". There is book of conjecture according to Mullah Bukhari and Book of conjecture according to Mullah Muslim and so on. 😂

[@Quran19net]

sources of the religion of The corrupted Muslims 1. Sahih Bukhari 2. Sahih Muslim 3. Sunan al-Sughra 4. Sunan Abu Dawood 5. Sahih al-Tirmidhi 6. Sunan ibn Majah 7. some verses of the Quran

[@uthman2281]

according to your opinion

[@Quran19net]

Source of the Islam (Submission) ,(Submitters ) Muslims is only Quran 6:19 ,6:114-115, 41:3 , 45:6 , 39:23❤

[@user-rt6jj8lj6g]

@@uthman2281 youre a mushrik.

[@fay4569]

Quran is one and there is no other book from God. Hadith, like it or not, is hear say and written by man. No one knows who authored hadith meaning the prophet did not write them.

[@iconic410]

This guy's probably CIA

[@Wazir.Akbar.Khan.wardag]

And your mo ss ad

[@telorceploksambelkecap]

The challenge has been answered, SURAH AL_JINN is a Surah from Jinn... So it is actually a Stoop1d challenge...

[@Scumophobe]

Another lunatic in the comments section

[@quranicverses.2394]

Denying yhe Hadith is lole denying the Quran. The same people that brought you the Hadith are the same that brought you the Quran. Learn the science of Hadith and his narrator, you guys will be super amaze at their work and on how they preserve it.

[@ischaudhry9067]

We do not mix word of Allah with the word of Mullah Bukhari, Mullah Muslim, Mullah Nisai, and other Mullahs of their likes.

[@arifahmedlaskar8271]

@quraniverses.2394 can you please proof the authenticity of Bukhari by eating 7 ajwa dates and drink poison?

[@azizgierdien4837]

“Science of Hadith” is an oxymoron

[@peaceforhumanity1886]

Quran? Preserved? Who still believes in this? I have bad news for you. Sahih Muslim 1452 a 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims). Show us the disgusting verse of breastfeeding for adults in Quran! Spoiler alert: you won’t find it. It is lost! You have been lied to all the time! Allah lied to you all the time as he promised to protect Quran! Wake up Muslims as your souls are in great danger!

[@iconic410]

Lol so you don't believe the Qur'an is preserved but you believe the hadith (another Islamic literature) which according to your opinion, proves the Qur'an isn't preserved, is preserved. Some people really just believe anything they want to believe. Also, search up 'convert proves Qur'an is from God' and skip to the numerical miracles. There are brilliant patterns such as the significance of a certain number of times a word is mentioned, or certain verse or surah numbers adding up to a very specific, interesting number and so on. You'll see that these miracles would not be possible, had the Qur'an not only been perfect in its compilation, but also in its preservation, as even if a verse or a word were to be missing from the Qur'an, these miracles would not exist.

[@peaceforhumanity1886]

@@iconic410 "Lol so you don't believe the Qur'an is preserved but you believe the hadith (another Islamic literature) which according to your opinion, proves the Qur'an isn't preserved, is preserved. " I believe that everything form Islam is a lie!! To prove that I take the muslims by their own standards. Means this SAHIH verse is true and shows that there are verses missing in todays quran! And Allah said his words can't be changed in 6:115. How can this happen then? Explain to us! The only miracle of the quran is that there are people believing this garbage! Check-mate!

[@iconic410]

​@@peaceforhumanity1886 I didn't say that this hadith proved that the Qur'an has been changed. I just said that you are taking it as evidence for that claim. To clarify the meaning of the hadith, it says that the ruling was that 10 sucklings prohibit a marriage, but it was changed to 5. What this means is that if a woman were to breastfeed a boy 5 times, then he is forbidden from marrying her. This is supported in the verse: You are forbidden to take as wives your mothers, daughters, sisters, paternal and maternal aunts, the daughters of brothers and daughters of sisters, your milk-mothers... [4:23]. So, nothing to do with breast-feeding adults. And then the hadith goes on to say that before the Prophet's (may peace be upon him) death, the verse used to be recited, up until it got abrogated. And this doesn't mean that the Qur'an has changed, since this was before the verses were compiled, so before the first copy of the preserved Qur'an was printed. Btw did you watch the video I mentioned?

[@peaceforhumanity1886]

@@iconic410which video did you recommend to me? „laant say that this hadith proved that the Qur'an has been changed.“ But I say it! And I have proved it! „To clarify the meaning of the hadith, it says that the ruling was that 10 sucklings prohibit a marriage, but it was changed to 5. What this means is that if a woman were to breastfeed a boy 5 times, then he is forbidden from marrying her.“ BOY? Don’t lie! It is about grown men and marriage!! What boy? „So, nothing to do with breast-feeding adults.“ Let your prophet bust you: …The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Suckle him.” She said: “How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) smiled and said: “I already know that he is a young man.” (Sahih Muslim, no: 1453) „And then the hadith goes on to say that before the Prophet's (may peace be upon him) death, the verse used to be recited, up until it got abrogated.“ It was abrogated with 5 sucklings instead 10, no idea how this is better now, but the abrogated verse is missing too!! So Quran is not preserved and Allah is a liar!! Leave Islam as soon as you can! If Jesus comes back it is too late! Your soul is a in big danger!