Press conference on death of actor Aloysius Pang | Full video

[@Orhneeyou]

i hate to think of how much pain he must have been in.....

[@Now2Market]

No Blame Culture. No Accountability. No Leadership. Record 4 Deaths in 18 months, Singapore sons lost in training, not fighting enemy. As usual, a press conference, then COI and everything is forgotten, but the grieves of their parents lingers forever. The Rot starts at the TOP. Quit or be remembered in history for many years to come.

[@eugeneong4007]

No i think

[@cromonesix]

@Keith Lee you remember their names?

[@lazarusguan2388]

I won't remember who the a'holes in green are. But I will always remember SAF as the most outdated, corrupted, disorganized, dishonest and irresponsible organization I ever worked for in Singapore.

[@Now2Market]

SAF has become the recruitment ground for many inexperienced but loyalist, whom are groomed to take over positions in governments later.

[@gohivan5119]

Sinkapore still got future meh... Everyone will run away to other countries and integrate when times are bad. No one will bother with history of this hotel.

[@proguy1006]

so because Aloysius Pang is a known actor, he is important enough for such a big conference and interview to happen? so the other deaths that happen was not significant enough for them to do so.

[@allisterw5371]

Of course lah...whole Singapore watching u know...

[@farrahkong1998]

Because he was on telly, many knew him just like a boy next door. The news of course saddened lots of us. And, it is the third death in the army within a year. Shouldn't they tell the whole Singapore why this is happening?

[@AlexVostox]

*Nah.. He's an actor. Of courselah his lives is more important than others. Anyone else who'd dies during NS? They are nobody.*

[@youngfadula]

Of course, Aloysius is a public figure, of course a press conference is needed and even when it did happen, SAF still wayang and avoided confrontation and wasted our 45 mins

[@leehyunsong7001]

Raira Soru the high attention and exposure caused them to come out, sadly the victim must be someone known to the public.

[@fearlessdestiny]

P.S. This has nothing to do with the death. These are just my observations based on the demeanour and words of the commanders. The real problem is that the SAF is run with a similar structure to the MNCs, where the commanders don't personally interact with the men on the ground. Much like how the CEO of a MNC doesn't personally interact with those at the bottom of the food chain. They get the perspectives of the mid-management, many of whom are seeking to climb the ladder and commit to impossible positions. Who bears the burden to meet these unrealistic targets, the ones at the bottom of the ladder. I was fortunate during national service in that my commanders spoke to us directly to understand our difficulties and it made life more manageable. Can't say the same about my work life, but that's a separate story. The point is, those at the top must, at least occasionally interact with the ones at the bottom and not simply rely on the word of middle management.

[@shida6754]

Trueness

[@MrBoscoteo]

Who lowered the gun barrel? How can Aloy Pang caught in between with the lowering speed?

[@totally_notaweeb5501]

Exactly im tryna figure outttttt

[@retrocoltz8891]

I heard that two of them are with him so maybe one of them or both must be guilty (might be)

[@Qmperialify]

People who were near the incident know who lowered it. Those who know, knows. Besides, the cause of death/investigation of the armour death incident is yet to be revealed by mindef. Keep under carpet

[@perlucere]

Did someone call out to Aloysius that the gun barrel is lowering

[@allisterw5371]

They have been brainstorming how to cover up for the past 24hrs.

[@willman3893]

If we cant even protect the safety of our precious servicemen, how are them going to protect the country? why must we review safety SOPs after a death occured everytime? Why cant we do a detailed review from the start?

[@BingShengKPOPReacts]

Agree!

[@kung-fumaster4877]

"deep-seated cultural issues"

[@atamrj4895]

Only war in gaming 😂😂

[@eugeneong4007]

Agreed

[@9cowbell9]

Even in everyday work. They treat NSFs like cheap labour. No respect whatsoever. NSFs are just slaves to the regulars. EVEYRHING they ask NSFs to do. Sit there shake leg kpkb. Regulars lol. Useless

[@ayikai4729]

4th guy that died... i dont think now mindef have the rights to make ns compulsory.. yall have multiple chances of implementing the necessary safety measures to prevent this from happening...is important for yall to gain back the trust from our fellow singaporeans

[@tomjerry1603]

Banana 4Life unfortunately it’s like this Either whole country die or a few ppl die for the country

[@TM-hg4lv]

Banana 4Life I agree with you Ns should be abolished .

[@deviladvoc]

@@TM-hg4lv such situation shouldnt be "solved" with a black and white solution. If you said NS should be abolished then who will protect singapore in times of needs? Why will other countries bother helping us defend if we ourselves dont want to? Now if NS were to stay, innocent lives might be taken selfishly. The answer to this problem will be a change of training or an increase of safety in terms of personnel stationed at training sites to oversee safety.

[@silverspoon2690]

@@TM-hg4lv Don't be stupid.

[@TM-hg4lv]

Hui Yu thank you

[@chiazhihao6114]

Speaking as an SSPH combatant, the safety procedures were in place. It was up to the 3 personnel in the vehicle to abide by them. Aloysius was crushed between the ramming assembly as it was moving upwards and the rear wall of the internal SSPH cabin, as the gun barrel was being lowered. Typically, the Det Com controlling the vehicle was trained to check clear the path of the entire rear assembly before moving the barrel, as well as alerting the crew of the movement of the barrel. One of two things could have occured: 1. Det Com did not check clear the path of the ramming assembly 2. Det Com alerted the crew to his intention to move the barrel downwards, but it was not heeded by the victim, and Det Com proceeded to blindly move it anyway This is really human error, and is truly unfortunate. To be honest, there is nothing more that the higher ups can possibly do to make the procedure more "safe" already. Check, double check, triple check, that NO ONE was in the path of the assembly, but it still happened. Freak accidents are freak accidents. Condolences to a fellow country man.

[@Nerdywr]

bunch of useless paper generals that only speak up and take actions when things happen.. other half of the time they're receiving fat paychecks and drinking coffee in their luxurious offices

[@allisterw5371]

Nicely put

[@teomichael6204]

Ya,I would have beaten anyone of these 3 jokers in a street fight, how many of our fellow Singaporean sons have died during training, we have to serve and risk our life while thos' high class' foreigners took our jobs and enjoying the security here at our expense, the reason why those are sitting there are because they are obedient, not deemed a threat to the government, to die during NS training for this current government is simply not worth it. I feel the sadness just like all my fellow Singaporeans, RIP Aloysis son of Singapore.

[@TM-hg4lv]

The public will probably lose trust in the SAF

[@teomichael6204]

@@TM-hg4lv And PAP as well

[@TM-hg4lv]

Yes No why u say u agree with him I’m the one who made the statement about it..well not pap of course

[@maggieni2151]

After I watch this. I don’t want my boy go to army. He protect this country who protect him ? This country without him still there but the family the parents without son how to move forward? I am sorry I am just a very normal women a mum ! I can not imagine his mum how to face this ! Pain deeply

[@lazarusguan2388]

It's a fact actually, the current NS system is a threat to the lives and well-being of our youths in Singapore who are eligible to serve NS. I won't let my son serve NS too if I have one.

[@lazarusguan2388]

With the current army, Singapore will still get taken anyway. So what is the point of doing NS with the current system? The current system must be revamped. And how do I know Singapore will lose? The 3 to 1. Singapore has only one army, others countries have more. Basic art of war, we surround our enemy when we outnumber them. For 3 to 1 to work, we have to outnumber them 1st. Does it seems like we can outnumber them? Other countries probably trained their men in the opposite manner, which is 1 to 3, or more. It's a time tested method. Then, there's issue with experience, we are not exactly plague by war, riots etc. So please do the math, what are our odds of winning? And if anyone raise a debate about our officers' ability, well, with these REPEATED mistakes that resulted in deaths of our serviceman....... seriously? I don't even need to share my personal experience. And is SAF accountable to the us? Well, SAF is funded by the government. The government is funded by the taxes we pay. So, is SAF accountable to us?

[@ginyamaguchi1421]

So who's stepping down to take responsibility?

[@robintan4471]

Ya who is step. Down. Few death related cases in the past few month.

[@nicky9499]

Step down from SAF, step up to SMRT!

[@robintan4471]

They wont step down la. They get 5 figurr pay cheque. They are so called professional OK. Sitting inside office. Stay landed property and. Condo.

[@allisterw5371]

Singaporean demand some heads to roll!!! Fugde you SAF!

[@Unknown-iw2jp]

Someone from Mid or Low position will step down. Or the Top position step down and go to a big MNC as a CEO, away from media.

[@j.m839]

The video of how the barrel is lowered is during normal operation. Considering how Aloysius is being called in to do repair works, would the gun barrel dropped suddenly on Aloysius giving him no chance to escape? RIP Aloysius.

[@linisri5252]

Something just doesn't feels right.

[@lazarusguan2388]

You are right, definitely.

[@danielong1153]

But the sad thing abt Singaporeans including myself is we don’t pursue the matter.. WHY?! Because we know it’s useless pitting ourselves against the system..

[@de20]

@@danielong1153 lol if we riot we would probably all be gunned down then they would come up with some bs to justify killing unarmed civs just like what theyre doing now

[@BingShengKPOPReacts]

Just give us a proper answer! He is not even answering the question to why so many other men in NS has constantly die while serving the country! HELLO! MINDEF, SAF! All those men died during normal training, they didn't even battle with any enemy at all! It's unacceptable and crazy to die during training. Injuries, I am okay. BUT THIS IS DEATH I AM TALKING ABOUT!

[@BingShengKPOPReacts]

@marvin Ya ikr!

[@BingShengKPOPReacts]

@Dick dickerson Yes! Exactly.. we are humans! we have our own human rights too! Sometimes when it's our limit... means it's our limit! Don't have to force someone to go over their limit and ending up losing their lives.

[@elytridfly]

This is not the first death incidence, why only this one has a press conference to clarify because he is a TV star? is that really necessary? or is it that his life is more precious the other NS man?

[@lazarusguan2388]

Nope, it's not because the deceased is a TV star. It's because this incident is impossible to cover up.

[@sundewy]

He is a idol, naturally he will have way more following than normal people and of course more people will care about his death. Its like you think everyone in the world have the same status, thats a funny thought.

[@osmioben197]

thanks for calling a press conference to tell us things that we already know (via media from the past few days). actually you can just tell all reporters on site that 'zero findings were found'

[@allisterw5371]

Swee lah~!

[@MengLeeLim]

I'm more interested to know a few things that were not mentioned in the press conference. 1 the noise level inside the tank (this will determine if the victim have actually shouted for help or not or can he be heard or not) 2 nobody have actually mentioned if the SOP have clearly dictate where the technicians should be standing (in sight of the commander or immediately behind the commander) when he's lowering the gun 3 besides the commander and the victim, there is another technician (28:00 mins) inside the tank. where is this technician? WHY have he not noticed that the victim is in the path of the gun as it's being lowered to standby mode?

[@boonweekuah3611]

Sick of hearing such platitudes, all incompetent.

[@vincentsow616]

Always wait for something happen then all the big shot then come out to talk... rubbish....

[@semper5recon]

So so true

[@youngfadula]

Tell the full truth, there are so many vague answers. Who lowered it? why is it that Aloysius 'couldn't get out of the way in time' was he crushed? I watched the video and I still can't tell how he was injured. Be specific. Stop hiding the full report from the public gosh they keep giving typical sugar coated responses on what they are going to do just to make themselves look responsible.

[@Flixyguy]

Megu X They seemed to insinuate that Aloysius is one at fault. Oh well that’s saf for you.

[@Dalziel45]

Lol they alr said wait for investigation. Fail in listening compare like the journalists

[@inspirationguy1505]

This incident had brought me back to my memories when My cousin fell from the parachutes when it fail to open during his commandos training. My Aunty nearly lost a Son but luckily he live. He is now nearly 50s n is a dialysis patient. Should SAF do better when providing support to those injured during training? Not just monetary compensations. RIP...... brave boy ......

[@lazarusguan2388]

SAF wouldn't even care if regular servicemen are able to find a job outside SAF if they chose to leave SAF. Nope, they don't care about anything at all except their paycheck on the 10th of every month.

[@wgmwg8315]

someone blinks one time too many on answering. when you answer a question you have to repeatedly flip your prepared notes, it’s a total disappointment especially when the words are meant to touch hearts. you can do better but that’s your best.

[@mojojor]

My deepest condolences..from malaysia 🙏🙏

[@neilhengck78]

Just wayang again... Always said safety 1st yet still has ppl died...

[@minkheng163]

@Nurul Umarull even if they go to war and people do die in actions. They still have to observe safety with their equipments and weapons. Have you served NS ?

[@minkheng163]

@Nurul Umarull no I haven't been to war. SAF has this bad culture of treating genuine cases of injured and sick soldiers.. they treat them as if they fake it. I had experienced it myself. And they are good at pushing responsibilities just like PAP their big daddy boss. They will only put up a show when an accident is already exposed to the public and TV cameras. Wayang wayang....

[@diesopain260]

Safety is a individual responsibility as well as collective resolve in following the safety system. However, in army where there are safety talks organised , alot of soldiers play truant and not attend these talks because it is boring . And when accidents happen they blame leadership.

[@9cowbell9]

Min Kheng Even at Polyclinic. Once the doctors know you’re an NSF you’ll be seen like a criminal. NSFs are treated like dogs cheap labour. Encountered rude doctors. Utterly disappointed of this SAF culture

[@jessicaregina1956]

3720 to 1

[@SShiJie]

What are the odds...of a local actor....getting INJURED AND PASS AWAY FROM NS!? what...are the odds

[@nurudaddy]

Lower than toto

[@nicky9499]

You can start placing bets on odds of elite/minister son kena killed by mindef. That one then good show.

[@tankc333]

Next time, you see all the big shot, children siam training, wayang inside, white horse, than all the dirty job done by pure local Singaporean.

[@YesNo-px3jq]

Haha singapore itself don't have many artistic talents yet one of our actors gone just like that

[@IT-hk5up]

4 actors speaking in this YT video...

[@aflagdam]

I think nobody should be inside that cramped cabin while lowering the Howitzer gun barrel. Feeling sorry for him to die at such a young age and sincerest condolences to his family. I have 3 boys and all of them have served their NS without any accidents.

[@y5tva762]

Although it might be an accident,but if safety measures were well executed,these incidents will not have happened We cannot afford the loss of even one individual,to learn our mistakes. Rest In Peace,Aloysius Pang 1990~2019

[@jayaxe79]

There is one burning question which no one asked: why is it that only now a celebrity has died, that serious actions are considered and reviewed? Why is it that there had been no 'timeout' after those 3 recent NS casualties? Someone must be made responsible and/or the families involved must be heavily compensated.

[@allisterw5371]

Previous cases was like eggs against a rock. But this case, its a stone against a rock.

[@loosteven7019]

Double standard bro he is an actor they cant keep quiet for this case. So they have to make up a story later cover up the whole case

[@blaxerx]

9:08: about conducting refresher. In reality, this is often very "rushed" and usually just a surface sweep, conducted by demonstration and hands-on. Most often, due to NSmen rushing to meet the training program timing, these are cut short and eventually become a "paperwork" to log that training was given. Take for instance, TSR (Training Safety Regulation) test and Technical Handling Test (THT) that is mandatory to "clear" as a paperwork to SAF and the public. A 2 hour refresher for someone who spend 351 days doing a regular job (acting, office, etc.) and then to handle/maintain weapons of war? How can a commander realistically study the entire TSR in a few hours, and then pass it given the number of questions and pages (>80% or 90% score needed to qualify a pass) Furthermore, ~90% of the questions/topics are irrelevant to your vocation or training. But this is hard on SAF simply because there is not enough time. No matter the money, time is a resource that cannot be traded. To try to make training meaningful, effective and safe yet not take up too much time of a Man's life. The nature of war is destructive and there just cannot be a way to train safely without compromising effectiveness. The question is: Where is the balance that we can accept and if so, can we still accept the effectiveness? Should the entire defense strategy of Singapore be re-evaluated? I for one, am pro-NS but given the dilution to training programs and conduct. Degradation of the quality of our professional soldiers (Regulars) and their lack of commitment, passion to the cause. I can't help but falter in my beliefs. Should a new form of national service be developed, where both gender may contribute? Where we do not train for war but nation building? E.g. public services, projects to improve the nation, life saving skills etc. Should Singaporeans demand for such a re-evaluation?

[@alexteo6371]

Accidents Happen When People Rush. TSR Relates to Safety in General. More Focus Need Be Emphasise On Vocational Safety. Chances are Most of TSR Would've Been Forgotten, Once the Test is Over. It Also Depends On Attitude cum Negligence. This Accident Shouldn't Occur if The 2 Step Procedures are Faithfully Followed: 1) Verbal Clearance and 2) Visual Check.

[@diesopain260]

Blaxer both gender as if lost of son isn’t painful

[@tiangengoh4127]

Lol but who the hell lowered this barrel

[@93hothead]

Nope, all these "refreshers" are just officers or sergeants saying stuff like "you all remember right?" and then skipping most of what they should be taught and telling their higher ups they have went through the lessons and peer pressuring the nsman to fill in the survey that they have understood.

[@frankiehuangjianwei469]

Hello Baxter......very simple tell the army tell the Singapore government to strike off Reservist and ippt....2 years NS army still not enough ah?? Still wan pple to reservist until 40 years old and ippt?? Now ok lo because of ippt pple die......the government should evaluate whether reservist is necessary needed?

[@donsubramaniam6010]

This is an inadequate explanation.They did not specify why it was lowered and what was the condition prior to the lowering.Did have enough rest?.Before lowering,what happened?

[@henryvaliantjourney6538]

I have some questions. I hope CNA can ask them again when they have another conference. To CARMO Dr Lo: from the incident, how was the deceased treated and how long was he treated at the BCS? then to medical centre and finally to the hospital? I read from news source and found it took the SAF medical team 6+ hours to finally transfer him to the hospital. Why wasn't helicasvec activated prior at the BCS? Transporting the deceased within mountainous area using ambulance or safety rover? There is a directive to use heli for such urgent cases. Crushing injury to be transported using rover in mountainous terrain, doesn't this worsen his conditions? BCS and medicalcentre has no X-ray facilities to examine the crush injuries. So how long was he kept on transport, how long at BCS, how long at medical centre before deciding to push to hospital? To: CSSCOM COL Terry: "refresher training done. Was it done in a simulation environment or was it done in real primus? Simulation training and actual training has significant difference. Any form of grading for each technicians fo determine their skill level and capabilities? Skill level is something that differs from one person to another. So when u say qualified. "is The deceased trained to repair the primus to what extent? Should he be troubleshooting a complex hydraulic system? How qualified? Is he trained to check oil pressure? Remove hoses or test for switches faulty or check for any sensors fault? Please clarify his qualifications on repairing of primus. I suppose his level will be very basic. 3. To Chief of Army. (Cant see your name) The pictures you show the public is a clean and empty primus. During live firing exercise, the cabin will be filled with all the 4soldiers equipping, stores. Kindly show the public the actual picture of the vehicle cabin. There is nothing sensitive as its mainly the four soldiers rifles, field pack and other stores /supplies. Please show the actual picture. One additional question for COA. What was the barrel position when the gun commander called the deceased to check. Kindly provide degrees. Was the barrel stucked in a certain angle and hence the deceased was called in to check? Was the deceased wearing a helmet and headset communicating with the gun commander? If the deceased wasn't wearing a helmet + headset. I revert the question back to CSSCOM COL Terry. During all the refresher training, was wearing helmet and headset a must in your SOP? Do you train your techs to understand the gun commander roles and what they should do and expect during such situation when the barrel is stucked in a certain Angle? Should the tech disable the engine? Or should there be more techs to be sent for such repairs? Pairing senior regulars tech with nsf or nsmen. Do you think this is a much better solution? Final question to CDF. Stroke incident. Vehicle incident. Jungle incident and now crushing incident. What has been done so far? What has the army reviewed and changed? What are the steps in place currently to prevent the earlier 3 death incidents. Has all the training programs, directives, method been revised? Or it is still dated like 1991 or 1995 etc. Kindly clarify the changes army has implemented since the 3deaths. Also pls keep the public posted on what will be done on this 4th case. Also, since Air Force and Navy has been running their system well. Should you consider adopting their standards as they are dealing with more sophiscated weapons and equipments? Should the culture be change or perhaps either Chief of Navy or Air Force Should temporary assumed your position as CDF and try to instil their culture in Army? Perhaps that will improve things as culture and perspective are on a different level. Do contact me if you have answers or need more questions. I have tons of it. I spent 6years serving the SAF and another 8-9 in NS reservists. Feel free to ask. I do my best to ask and share.

[@alexteo6371]

Yes, We Surely Need a Detailed TSR Checklist and Safety Audits Comparable to ISOs. This Structural Approach Must Be Flexible Enough to Include Feedbacks from the Field Level.

[@henryvaliantjourney6538]

@@alexteo6371 every soldier that served the SAF before will know that not everyone has access to their TSR and training directives. The soldier that went through the training doesn't even know what was written on paper and what's wasn't. Even CARMO himself can't even explained the treatment process accurately. The TTSH surgeon did a much better job clearly but was withheld from saying more details. Clearly they didn't extract him out immediately and now saying he died on surgical complications. Easy to say that but when the process of lifesaving is delayed, given top surgeons that intervene would not have help either. 6+ hours delay is not acceptable. They better explained what treatment and investigations was done at BCS and their camp temporary medical centre before pushing to the hospital. The decision made is too late. If this happen in Singapore, the soldier will be evacuated to the nearest hospital at the shortest time possible. Last case of heat stroke death was due to delay in treatment and they have yet to reply on this. Improvement? I certainly think the all the service chiefs should step down. Investigations doesn't take months or years. They have the answers but refused to take responsibility.

[@alexteo6371]

@@henryvaliantjourney6538 All Corporals (NCOs / SNCOs) Should Also Be Granted Access & Training With Regards TSR, In Addition to Safety Briefing. This is An Area Worth Implementing, As Safety has Been Compromised. TSR Must Be Ingrained & Drilled into Training Proper for All Soldiers. Due to Medico-Legal Reasons, Full Explanation Not Granted, However The Public Demands a Proper Explain. There were Crush Injuries / Trauma to Multiple Organs and Post Surgical Complications. All National Servicemen and Members of Public Deserve a Proper Answer cum Reassurance. In Addition to All Commanders, Soldiers and Buddies Have An Onus to Watch Out for One Another. Let this Be a Final Warning. Coroners' Court of Inquiry is Always There, Awaiting. Wrong Doers Be Forewarned Over Acts of Negligence. 痛定思痛。

[@alexteo6371]

@@henryvaliantjourney6538 As a Retired Combat Medic from 2 Guards, There Could Be Delays Due to: 1) Summoning / Notifying / Looking for the Nearest Platoon Medic in the Field. 2) Crush Injuries Would Likely Result in Internal & External Bleeding, So Loss of Blood Volume. Time Taken to Set an Infusion Drip Until Evacuated to BCS. 3) Still Have to Find the Exact MGR Location of the BCS, Whereby Helicopter Can then Be Summoned. This is Complicated By Nightfall Due to Visibility. 4) How to Radio the Helicopter (Perhaps Out of Radio Range) and Let them Know the Exact Location of BCS. And the Exact Location, MGR of the Nearest Hospital. 5) Delays, Can Occur During Transfer to Regional Hospital for Crush Injuries. Can't Really Speculate What Actually Happened. Need the Final Report by COI.

[@henryvaliantjourney6538]

@@alexteo6371 all I can say 6hours+ to send one crushed injury patient to the hospital is something COI better not missed. I been to NZ and all I can say is that the nearest hospital has heli services. All it cost is abit of money. 30mins he's in the right hands.

[@marcietan]

The Chief of Army gave the worst answers.

[@stacychen5140]

Is he being forced to meet the timings given by the commanders? Pressured by the commanders by saying if he never finish on time, then he cannot have the weekend book out or etc. How to be safe when when he was forced to meet the short given timings?

[@de20]

Dont need ask. Confirm one. Saf always gives tasks that are near impossible to complete within the time frame

[@bobtan101]

Accidents happen, reducing training tempo does not eliminate accidents. What Singaporeans want is transparency and accountability.

[@ericlee9214]

no point asking all this big shots to have a press conference. all of them are not there ,how will they know what is going on and what really happens. should ask the two guys that is with aloysius during the incident to explain what really went wrong.

[@allisterw5371]

This interview with the press took all the high ranking officers alot of time to brainstormed. We can not expect the whole truth here. Partial truth yes.

[@hui5568]

Chief of army look like a clerk. Paper generals🤦🏼‍♂️

[@joyseng]

Yup, he really looks nerdy and I won't not have believed he is an army officer, let not say Chief of Army!

[@hughlimws]

This is the 8th death in a shot span of one and a half year, all the committee of inquiries (COI) didn't improve safety at all. This is clearly a crushing hazard and some form of infrared safety switches should be in place, there should be a safety lock out procedure commonly practice in the industry so that nobody mess around with the machine while someone is repairing it but in this case the gun commander can still have full control of the gun while poor Aloysius working behind not knowing his life is at the mercy of a push of the button by the commander. After so many death and our SAF is still too arrogant to admit that there is a systemic failure in safety and they need help from external safety professionals. Our soldiers are not kills in war but by the stupidity of the leaders, If they don't change their mind set this will not be the last.

[@peterlim7463]

Someone died then they start reviewing. Else business as usual

[@johndin7730]

Frankly speaking I don't think anyone gives a damn about what you people in green have to say. Nothing you say can bring him or anyone who has passed on previously back to life. Time and time again people are passing under your care. Two questions when is going to be the next one? And are we going to hear the same BS from you guys again.

[@leochandran3441]

What u say is true bro, makan barah to them,.

[@SyeonJi]

'BUT we can do better' It was only a wake up call when he died lmao

[@dindrifter7047]

Since they mentioned that Aloysius able to speak to her mum in the hospital. Why not media ask Aloysius mum of what actually happened to her son. Maybe there is answer to this. Instead of them investigating

[@freddielow4150]

What is the point of having this press conference when there is nothing to announce? So many motherhood statements. Training tempo is not the issue; SOPS are. Obviously, with so many deaths, those in command are incompetent - they should not be in office until they actually do better. How many deaths and accidents are needed to train YOU to do better?

[@lazarusguan2388]

Nope, not only the SOPs, the people too.

[@janelau7297]

I heard "We are very sorry...., we will review....we can do better...we take it seriously....we focus on safety " But the truth is that we had one death after another then another and so on.... four deaths in 16months!!! Guys, get your top man here to say something, so that you do not need to read from script. Remind him that he is a "Hen" not an ostrich, don't hide into the Sands! !!

[@creamydoughnut8524]

Please take action on whoever did this to Aloysius. He don’t deserve this. My favorite childhood actor just gone like that. I am saddened. So please do something rather than wayang some more. Please 😭

[@hacylon]

Rip in 1 year time 6 ns personnel has passed on. This is so sad.

[@gj677]

One question to pose, is there a button to stop the barrel? If yes, was it used? If no, is it part of the original vehicle construction.

[@dannyc7659]

Based on the press conference, the fault likely lies on the other 2 persons. Either the commander wrongfully activated the lowering procedure or the one next to Aloysius Pang had confirmed the clearance for lowering without due encertainty as there are only the 3 of them present inside the vehicle. Most certainly one of them will be court marshalled to put this incident to rest.

[@MrBaphomet06]

essentially they never say much. just keep repeating the same lines over and over again. reduce tempo reduce tempo. do u really thing the training is sufficient for nsman who goes by once a year? especially for highly technical vocations. these vocations should be manned by regulars.

[@bobtan101]

Surely the reporters could have made better use of their opportunities to question these chiefs

[@whateverever9874]

We want somebody to take responsibility and step down. Period!

[@jimw8615]

Who can command the lowering of the gun also cannot answer? What a joke?

[@MengLeeLim]

refer 28:00 mins The commander (the person who lowers the gun) has to link up with the technicians (2 persons) [all are inside the tank]

[@jimw8615]

Meng Lee Lim I am referring to 18:02. Go watch again. “Tis question ehh... will be able/better answer ehh... “ Honestly, can’t even figure out some words that he said.

[@MengLeeLim]

@@jimw8615 obviously you jumped into your own conclusion before watching the whole video

[@jimw8615]

Meng Lee Lim obviously you still don’t understand what I meant. He didn’t want to answer this simple question & push it to investigation process, thus no answer til investigation is over. Simple question just need simple & direct answer. Don’t need to beat around the bush. So U don’t jump into your own conclusion.

[@muhammadhanafi8245]

'as you can see in the picture' starts oral exam.

[@AirIntakeR]

Please keep our servicemen safe yet vigilant to protect our nation. Stay being a decisive force.

[@31330496RachelYang]

It feels like the summary of this whole talk is “Guns have no eyes” which makes no sense, so how did the guns move? “Unable to get out of the way” wow do you know what is trapped?

[@sm8185]

Even this is the preliminary investigation conference, please at least give a clear dictation of the accident happening!! Where was he crushed, on the cabin floor or hung up? where were the other 2 staff positions? Why wasnt he aware of the lowering of the gun barrel? Who activated the gun barrel lowering? Stop harming all the poor Singaporean boys in army for the country. Pitiful cold body underwent 3 surgery and post modem. RIP AP~~

[@dayylogg9716]

There is nothing wrong with the gun barrel and cabin design. It was the safety procedure that have not been complied in doing the repair job. It could also be the repair and servicing procedure that is questionable. There is also a very high possibility that his injuries treatment have been delayed at the site of the accident and all the way to the hospital which is the most common cause of eventual death.

[@melvinlim2393]

My favourite actor was just killed.Whats the point of talking about all of these when the pain and sadness of people lingers,these paper generals only know how to talk.No offence but I think that this is outrageous.

[@alooooy]

It's only January and the "start" of 2019 and this horrible thing happened... Why :"(

[@tastysnack1900]

Life is unpredictable...

[@chinkeongtan1168]

A high ranking officer must be sacked! either COA or CDF... so that our scholar officers will learn their lessons. Even then we are letting them off too easily

[@joellim7010]

why the chief of army look like robot and talks like robot too? i got no confidence this guy can lead the singapore army well.

[@yutan7545]

How come there is no emergency stop button in the SSPH? If there is, the other 2 personnel in the vehicle could have saved his life. Cant believe it!

[@jefferytay3225]

The following is a forwarded message: When I was serving the country as a soldier, I served in Control of Personnel Centre. During my stint, I received awards for productivity and process improvements signed by the then Chief of Army and also Dr Yeo Ning Hong. Now I am serving as a Practising Management Consultant certified by a Board closely related to the government. My job concerns the design of management and operations systems for companies. The principles of business management & designing operating procedures for these tanks are the same. When I am looking at the design of the Self-Propelled Howitzer, I would tell you that the design is inherently dangerous and no amount of SOP design / redesign is going to change the fact that this is a dangerous vehicle. 1) In the press conference, one officer mentioned that CFC Pang could not get away in time. That is nonsense, that space should not be occupied at any point of time. Given that all the potential movement of the turret would crush anyone who is there, that space should be blocked off and only to be accessed (if ever) during repairs. 2) I remember some officer mentioned that "usually most people would not have problem". That is one sure way of pointing the blame at CFC Pang. That is nonsense. I was not trained to be operating the Howitzer gun, so let me just exercise my commonsense a bit. Did the tank even take into account of the recoil effect when the turret is firing? To take into account of the recoil effect all the space behind the turret cannot be used at all and access blocked off saved for maintenance purposes. 3) One officer even mentioned that there is a procedure to sound an alarm or informing when the turret is moving. This is again nonsense, if CFC Pang is repairing the turret, he must be the one who can decide when the machine can be used. A few of my peers who are in workplace safety has mentioned this practice known as LOTO (Lock out tag out) system, in which no officer of any rank should be able to override to operate the machine when there is a soldier repairing the machine. The design of the turret is from ground up, wrong, and let's not mince words. When the design of the system is wrong, no amount of SOP nonsense would be able to compensate for an inherently dangerous design. All management consultants would be schooled in Deming Principle - when there is an operational problem, 94% of the time you can find fault with the systems and only 6% of the time the error is human. Just basing on prima facie analysis of the design of the system, I am sorry the fault is with the design, so the fault is with the designer of the system and if the system is not locally designed the fault is with the person approving the purchase of this system. Do not let SAF explain their way out of this. I am very infuriated by the press conference they have conducted. While they expressed their condolences, they did not take full responsibility for this. All the other accidents I can explain away with logic and probability (like allergy to smoke bombs and stuff). This is totally avoidable and I want to see Singapore Armed Forces take full responsibility in this. There is no way I can logically explain this away.

[@TiffanySngYongQi]

Can someone explain to me how it happened? i am really confused. Rest In peace aloysius :(

[@ConclusionsHD]

ZalDaf That’s a horribly inaccurate description. He was crushed against the wall, not the ceiling. www.channelnewsasia.com/image/11161924/0x0/674/953/678e05c2911a2d5a6748ebfdaf125ec6/Ia/training-incident-at-exercise-thunder-warrior.png

[@allisterw5371]

1) Safety breach 2) someone died 3) cover up 4) talk cork and of coz sing song for Singaporean.

[@Unknown-iw2jp]

@@ConclusionsHD Ooo. Crashed by the chest area between the neck and gun'ass. Really wonder where the emergency stop button.

[@nurudaddy]

the gun went ERKKKKKKKK then he want OUUUUUUUUCH

[@xuanyidu3259]

There is a video on cna, search up. Good graphic showing what happened (3D), basically when the gun barrel was lowered in the artillery, Aloysius suffered from abdominal and chest injuries.

[@orewabakachan]

What were his team doing at the point of the incident? Could it have been a premeditated attempt to murder this poor fella? We want answers. And we want to see someone's head rolling as a reminder to those who are all talk only

[@George-qj7ot]

Is safety timeout or lowering the tempo even gonna help ?

[@lyn9517]

am I the only one bothered by the fact that they are reading it from a script?

[@vlogkylee7382]

Next Mrt Ceo. This type of standard. Lol

[@loosteven7019]

Please don't send them to MRT they will have more break downs on the trains.

[@totallybtm]

I think the reporters are not thirsty n brave enough to ask n pursue for deeper questions.that might reveal more . Very mild n easy to handle press . U can’t even reveal to the audience the medical explanation of what causes his death?

[@allisterw5371]

Can't blame the reporters..before they enter the interview, they had been warned on questions to avoid.

[@lesliejj4134]

its understandable that medical explanation not revealed cuz theres stuff like confidentiality issues. the real problem is how these fuckers are just sugar coating the situation and giving vague af answers

[@slaiyfershin]

Of course. SPH and SAF both run by gov. Ownself report ownself.

[@scherzando7]

I really wonder what are the accounts of the other technician and gun detachment commanders...

[@sebastiantan5116]

Er, how come the person who lower the gun barrel did not stop the gun from lowering?

[@allisterw5371]

Maybe was crushed by falling objects outside the vehicle..

[@darkenstarry]

A standard procedure was mentioned that after verbal command, area must be checked clear before lowering the barrel. But in actual situation was this being followed? Was the whole 10s of lowering being kept visual on? What instructions were told to Aloysius Pang before lowering the barrel? What were were the Commander and the other technician doing during the incident? Too many gaps in the whole explanation. Lack of info!! There must be more details to this! A continuous mentioning of reduction of training tempo does not play a big part in this tragedy. It doesn't mean that reducing the number of times would prevent such incident. It's whether if the proper procedure was being taken place seriously and communications were conveyed clearly. This applies to any other training exercises. This is human lives at stake. The truth must be told. Accountability must be taken.

[@jbrkjferkjbekjb]

I was serving at that time. Based on my experience safety measures are in place on paper but commanders pressure men to breach them to hit the timings and KPI. One commander warrant officer literally jumped from the tonner and encouraged us to do the same. Just one of the few examples.

[@taiweegoo4320]

Not focusing on why the gun barrel left no space for the victim. Who controls the lowering speed?

[@BestFoodReviewFeatured]

Young men listen up, don’t give everything for NS. Don’t waste your life for this. Four year past, no one will remember who Aloysius pang is. Even his most beloved gf outside play play and now pregnant and married😂😂😂😂 care for soldier is political

[@andyng5321]

Yes agreed, it is not worth it, pui

[@isitSilver]

The only people who should be sitting in that conference table facing the cameras is the Weapon commander, the other technician and the on-site doctor. Not these 4 fools

[@kellyannmay9854]

I know something isn't right I have a gut feeling that he was murderd by the 2 guys with Aloysius Come on Mindef what are you hiding ?

[@Flixyguy]

You need bbc or Cnn reporters to drill these paper commanders. Everything is deferred to the coi. Seemed like holding a press conference is just a pr front from the saf to provide scripted answers.

[@michaellee3314]

I think the way they explained the Safety SOP, someone in the vehicle is going to pay for the breach of safety. Whether the higher command is going to take responsibility is a big question mark.

[@thecommentssquads2804]

those chief of army look like IT engineer..i think they never been in any combat experience in any part of the world..no combat yet more death in the army??..what the point all those high tech weapon if the army cannot put itself together.

[@joeytay9909]

.... how could that happen though? that gun barrel's movement speed is ridiculously slow.

[@de20]

They were repairing the gun barrel itself. It couldve just dropped down

[@leeadison3712]

They look serious but u guys should know the truth behind them Hey in uniform group they always say safety first but your safety is more of like danger.

[@dokr4584]

how do they not know that lowering the gun barrel may be dangerous?

[@tomjerry1603]

dxnette it’s not dangerous if the area is cleared and there is GOOD communication between operater and Technicians in the cabin

[@Makkar0onii]

It is really very sad and chinese new year is just around the corner!!! Any family would be heart broken by the death of their child/son/brother/cousin/friend. But truthfully, these news will just disappear after his military funeral and the government will act like nothing ever happen. Plus, the army safety standards will be very high for now but after a few months that standard will drop and chances are, another death will sadly happen. It is preventable but unavoidable.

[@quantee]

As you mention, consider you have a good system in place. We hope you can produce the investigation result fast.

[@hadgensthrobsbaeby3018]

Either mis-commiunication errors handling the guns-barrels in the cabins or someone hate him & do it on purpose without leting aloysius know tat the barrewls is lowering just saying it could be maybe nobody knows unless there is a cctv to prove it????????

[@kelvinlim7959]

It must be very mind torturing for 4 of them to try so hard to think of so much bullshit to tahan thru the whole press conference

[@PolarBear-mj9wt]

SK Ong said everytime there is an incident they learn from it .... oh really? Learnt to repeat the deaths time & again

[@YesNo-px3jq]

Learn how to wayang better mah

[@lazarusguan2388]

Since when does SAF learn anything? They are already 20 years behind what the the civilian sector have. Their "dragonfly drone" still can't fly when people around the world are already taking selfies using similar drones.

[@bettapassion]

Question: how many sons, husbands and fathers have to die to achieve the "but we can do better" milestone?

[@DeathStroke-fg5dt]

Dear SAF, Please Do Kindly Implement Safety Review and Risk Assesments for all Kinds of Mindef ServiceMens regardless of All Pes Status 🙏 Every Sons Of Singapore Serving The Nation Should Go Throught Risk Assesments and Proper Vocational Ability Assessment(Theory and test) Like How you Guys Choose Commandos and NDU specialist(Carefully) instead of throwing servicemens to Random Vocations not according to Their Abilities

[@Daniel-kj8it]

Lowering of training Tempo: So previous deaths was a result of tempo not lowered? If the Tempo was lowered previously by doing better, then it's a trial and error? And if so, more deaths will happen while SAF figure out what's the right Tempo? What kind of reasoning is this?

[@sherlyngohzl7436]

Whr r the other technicians can interview them instead those wif Aloysius

[@iremeong8066]

Aloysius was a great man for the pass Aloysius parents I am so sorry this happened to your son 😢😢

[@genova4485]

How to fight war if Singaporean don't trust the safety of SAF ? Why not make foreign talent and make them serve since they have better benefit than Singaporean.

[@anthonysum6228]

Isn’t there any killswitch or mechanism to halt the gun barrel from operating during servicing it? Shouldn’t the operator or specialist to ascertain the gun to be in non operating mode while performing maintenance??? Shouldn’t there be any safe distance to demarcate between the gun barrel and service crew within the chamber????

[@farahlee1]

This is an accident no one wants him to happen......

[@farahlee1]

💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼Singapore don’t let this incident affect the defending country

[@jeanssfgp]

The guy talked as if it was the victim's own fault that caused his own death?

[@weimin82]

Totally got no confident on the SAF.

[@cytopvalorant9938]

Dude It Was Gavin Chan. Now it’s Aloysius Whyyyyy!! Why does it have to be him when he was well known R.I.P Aloysius Pang We Will Miss u :(

[@gnulmd2]

It was mentioned that SOPs were in place, trainings and competencies were done so what really went wrong?Human factors and/or system factors are causes of errors, mindef has to address these in their finalised investigation report to the public.