Preston Perry Apologetics Workshop: Jehovah's Witnesses

[@patriciaarrigoni3221]

I find it funny the JW’s avoid “arguments” now but back in the 70’s when I was a Jehovah’s Witness they trained to argue. But now that others have better knowledge of the Word they want to avoid not having answers or their followers being led away from their truth. After growing up in that religion, and then being a Christian for 39 years it is very difficult to witness to them. Unless God opens their eyes it is next to impossible. I praise God that He open my eyes to what the Bible really says and what it really means! Great job, Preston keep it up!

[@lindseykathryn5746]

I'm so happy to hear that you found God after leaving. It seems more often than not once a person leaves they turn to either drugs and alcohol, atheism, or some odd half cooked spiritual beliefs involving lots of crystals. God bless you!

[@greenlight8819]

I still know one who used to go to my church who will argue folks up and down about anything! Lol

[@tongakhan230]

Patricia Arrigoni: Everything about this comment sounds fishy. How did you become a 'Christian'. Did you join a church? If a particular church, why that one. Is it because others didn't teach the correct things? Another victim of scam artists who put these videos out. These guys thrive because the gullible flourish.

[@patriciaarrigoni3221]

Tonga Khan Greetings to you with the love of Christ! I can understand your skepticism, however, I became a Christian during a time when there was no social media whatsoever. So to assume I was snagged in by someone reeling in with false narrative when it doesn’t apply is really not a fair statement. I came to Christ from simply just reading the Bible! God was tangibly present that night! There was no one but Him and I and His Word! I did after that experience go to a church but it was a non denominational one. But that is besides the point. I am a follower of Christ because He is real and tangible in my life period not because of what others say or not say. I pray that He reveals himself to you in that same real way! May the God of all creation cover you in His love!

[@tongakhan230]

Patricia Arrigoni: With respect. People who read the bible and believe that God has given them a singular understanding end up starting a church of their own and having followers of their own (Acts 20:29,30). The Ethiopian eunuch was trying to read the scriptures and understand them, Philip was sent to help him. Today too, God has only ONE organization as promised (Haggai 2:7, Matthew 24:45-47). He promised to restore true worship during our time (Isaiah 2:1-4, Micah 4:1-5). By implication, it means all the churches which have existed for centuries have been part of false worship. Else, what need was there to restore something. These worshipers and disciples of Jesus would be used by Jesus to fulfill his prophecy at Matthew 24:14. If one can identify these being used, then one could say that one has found God's people and thereby learn the truth (Zechariah 8:23, John 8:31,32).

[@DV-cq4dr]

Outstanding! Beautiful! Thank you for your time and your love to help witnesses! I am a former Witness, a “ born-in” I am now a true Christian. I have lost all my family. It means the world to me, the time and effort you have given in the attempt to help Witnesses to be free! God Bless You!

[@b3kahmedina975]

Thank you for doing what you are doing! I grew up as one of JW. I left and my family hasn't talked to me in 12yrs!

[@TheMauro3005]

Thank you so much Preston for all your videos on Jehovah’s Witnesses!! I am able to converse with them now that I understand what they believe. I’ve learned much more about my faith and the Bible as well because of your videos! Thank you so much and God bless you!🙏🏼

[@babylonbeware5115]

Excellent talk and really one of the simplest and easiest talks on John, Col 1:15, and John 14 Iv heard. I too have had decades of JW interactions. Faith comes by hearing and hearing of the word of God. They, JW’s, need to hear the truth too. We drop the seeds and let God water. Good job Preston, - Jay

[@tongakhan230]

Jason Sullivan: What is this truth you talk about. Which one? There are hundreds of churches all teaching varying dogmas and doctrines. How do you pick one? These guys who put out these videos are scam artists. They thrive because there are gullible people by the tons. Still, these videos and comments must be making JWs happy. Matthew 5:11 “Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. 12 Rejoice and be overjoyed, since your reward is great in the heavens, for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you.

[@RG-qn2qm]

My teaching is not mine but his who sent me.” (John 7:16) For I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I speak, therefore, I speak just as the Father has told me.” (John 12:49-50) “The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his work.” (John 14:10) “…the word you hear is not mine but is from the Father who sent me.” (John 14:24)

[@demetrouse2972]

this is wonderful

[@joymosley8997]

Hats off the Trinity hard to teach! Good job!

[@CultureChaplain]

I’m coming to one of these

[@gabemcknight8933]

Emerson Tillman II m

[@denno3124]

I was in that audience. It is an INCREDIBLE experience. Next one is in July. Go to legacydisciple.org

[@RG-qn2qm]

John 12:49 ...But the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

[@tongakhan230]

All these make JWs happy. Matthew 5:11 "Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and LYINGLY say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake." Just goes to prove JWs are Jesus' true disciples.

[@authenticmonkey5331]

So any one who gets prosecuted is the true religion?

[@tongakhan230]

Izra89 Hernandez: You mean persecuted. Law breakers get prosecuted. Jesus was talking about his disciples as a group. This video and others prove that. These should take the advice of Gamaliel. Acts 5:38  "So under the present circumstances, I say to you, do not meddle with these men, but let them alone. For if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. Otherwise, you may even be found fighters against God himself.”

[@jeffpeff]

Tonga Khan Well then this should make you really happy! The Governing Body has publicly admitted, under oath, that the faithful and discreet slave are self appointed! See for yourself kzbin.info/www/bejne/mofckqiGmdhli6M

[@keddycameron2723]

Yessssss !!!!!!

[@thattiffchik]

The Perry's can do NO WRONG. PERIODT!!!

[@arrellehnisrael8229]

Sure they can.

[@ewankerr3011]

The first "red flag" for me is right at the beginning when Perry claims that Russell founded the JWs. If he cannot differentiate between Russell setting up the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society and the JWs who were set up after Russell's death, this does not augur wellfor the accuracy of his presentation.He then fails to differentiate between Bible interpretation / understanding and false prophecy. The Watchtower did not invent prophecy but tried to interpret the prophecies about the last days in the Bible . The best they can be accused of is a wrong interpretation, just as many have throughout the history of Christianity, including some of the greatest names in the movement who also got it wrong. Indeed, there are many scholars who argue that the Apostles and early Christians believed it was the time of the end in their writings. Does that make them false prophets too ?Perry next discusses John 1:1 and takes issue with the JW Bible's translation of this verse.However, he fails to mention that other Bibles have translated the verse likewise and differently from the King James. He does not explain why. Nor does he look at how similar Greek is translated elsewhere in the Bible and that the word "a" is added when it suits the translators. Indeed, the whole passage is glossed over in simplistic terms. He certainly does not deal with the issue of the Word being !with" God and at the same time being God. Nor does he deal with the fact that the prologue of John states that no one has seen God at any time but they all saw Jesus. It would have been helpful if he could have explained all this as the JWs will be sure to raise these points .He then looks at the Greek behind Col 1 :15 , the first born. Here he may be guilty of redefinitionism.He really struggles with the passage in Philip 2. He forgets what he has already said about what the JWs believe about the role of Jesus in creation and fails to acknowledge that the JWs believe that Jesus was a perfect man who had the potential for everlasting life but willingly sacrificed himself to die for mankind. Mr Perry resorts to a "straw man " argument to get out of difficulty. Likewise in verse 9, he fails to explain how God exalted him and gave him a name which is above every name. If Jesus is God, he would not need to be exalted or given a name. etc. To confuse matters further, Mr Perry starts using the word worship that does not feature in this passage in my KJV, nor does he appear to understand how the word is used in the scriptures and how the meaning of worship has changed over time in the English language.I was very disappointed with Mr Perry's talk. He did not even try to explain why they are called Jehovah's Witnesses. He failed to address the issue of the divine name entirely. He claimed a Watchtower publication was full of scriptures but that it was heresy, yet he did not give us any examples or say what the heresies were. He discussed his claim that Jesus was fully God and fully man, but gave us no supporting scriptures to use. Perhaps I am being harsh and Mr Perry was limited by time in his discussion. But if he thinks that this is really going to help people in their discussions with JWs, he is sadly mistaken. Mr Perry really has limited knowledge of his subject matter and you know what they say about people with a little knowledge.

[@demetriusdion286]

I will challenge you, and I prove through the Holy Bible that Jesus [Yeshua] is the true God.

[@jeffpeff]

Ewan Kerr The Governing Body has publicly admitted, under oath, that the faithful and discreet slave are self appointed. Now what? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mofckqiGmdhli6M

[@Hrd4]

Let me guess.....born into the JW cult??

[@ewankerr3011]

@@demetriusdion286 : Sorry, I missed this challenge. Anytime.

[@ewankerr3011]

@@Hrd4 : LOL ! Guessed wrong. Agnostic. But I have taken courses in Apologetics , the kind of dreadful courses Allen Parr might have taken.

[@1980sb4by]

Thank you for this and God bless you 🙌🏾

[@rawbrutaltruth]

Matthew the 3rd chapter versus 13 through 17. Highlights the baptism of Jesus… 13 "Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, in order to be baptized by him. 14 but the latter tried to prevent him, saying: "I am the one who needs to be baptized by you, and are you coming to me?" 15 Jesus replied to him: "let it be this time, for in that way it is suitable for us to carry out all that is righteous." Then he quit, preventing him. After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! The heavens were opened up, and he saw God's spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, a voice from heaven said this is my son, the beloved, whom I have approved." Markt chapter 1 verses 9 through 11, the baptism of Jesus… "In the course of those days. Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized in the Jordan by John, 10 and immediately on coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens being parted and, like a dove, the spirit coming down upon him. 11 and a voice came out of the heavens: "you are my son, the beloved: I have approved. You." Luke the 3rd chapter versus 21 and 22. Highlight the baptism of Jesus… "Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus too was baptized. As he was praying the heaven was opened up 22 and the Holy Spirit in bodily form, like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: "you are my son, the beloved: I have approved. You." A most interesting thing about these 3 accounts is something that should be noted. We are constantly told that the Holy Spirit is a person. But how can this possibly be true. When we consider the words of these 3 accounts of the very same incident, the baptism of Jesus. It is notable that in all 3 of these accounts. The Bible does not say that the person of the Holy Spirit came down upon Jesus, it does not even intimate that the Holy Spirit is a person, if the Holy Spirit were a person would it not have been more appropriate that its appearance would've been in that of a person? This would've been the perfect opportunity and would've left no doubt that the Holy Spirit was a person. However, the account does not reveal the Holy Spirit to be a person. Yes, we see the account says the Holy Spirit came down like a dove… Interesting, it says like a dove, obviously what was seen, of it descended upon him… But it was not a dove, but the action of it, descending from heaven was like a dove, likened to a bird in flight landing upon Jesus. What better opportunity could there have been for the Holy Spirit to manifest itself as a person. If it were indeed a person. Despite what Trinitarian say about the Holy Spirit. We given the opportunity for it to be manifest in Scripture, it is interesting to note that it is never manifest as a person. It has been manifested, appearing as if it were tongues of fire, it has also manifested itself landing upon Jesus like a dove, if the Holy Spirit were indeed a spirit person would it not have been appropriate for it to appear. Having the appearance of a person…? If it were indeed a person. This would've been the perfect opportunity for it to show itself as having the appearance of a person… And yet that is not what we see in the Scriptures at any time, the lack of evidence in these 3 accounts written from 3 different perspectives, omits any evidence of the sort. Show less 2

[@thandomaseko181]

The Holy Spirit is a person, He's not an "it". Acts 5:3-4 "Holy Spirit" and "God" are used interchangeably. John 15: 26-27 (The Spirit of Truth who proceeds, not which or that). Isaiah 48:16. John 14:16-18, the word "Another" prefixing Helper, in the Greek language, means of the same species or one like me (i.e. God) here as well "whom" and "He" "Him" is used not it. So many other scriptures outline this and it's notable that Genesis 1:1, the name of God used there is "Elohim" which is plural for Eloha and supports Deuteronomy 6:4, the Bible says the Lord is one, "one" in the original language is "echad" which means compound unity, this is the same "one" used in Genesis 2:24 that speaks about the man and woman becoming one flesh. This is opposed to the word "yahid" which is the singular "one".

[@soldieroftheking3096]

I thought it was dope in the very beginning of this video when you were speaking about arguing with the JW the sound didn't become clear until you said even though God can make use of the arguments you had (I'm paraphrasing) it was about winning the hearts of man than the sound cleared up....like arguments tend to distort and love makes the signal clear...( I tend to get too deep sometimes) but that's how I took that point of this conversation

[@Musicnest.]

If you see the words your reading and keep studing youll find that Jesus was given all theses things by his father. John the 14 chapter and many other scriptures speaks of his father giving him all things John 14:28 what do you think it means when Jesus said the father is greater than I am

[@Musicnest.]

PS was he lying or by saying the father was greater then I am, Jesus was given the right to be worshiped

[@Musicnest.]

By his Father

[@salxonico]

I beleive that first before Jesus was born of Mary He was The WORD. In heaven God is One in essence. Only when the Word decides on His own to be the Messiah and to empty Himself of His Eternal Glory is when it is revealed that God is 3 in person. Prior to that their only was The Almighty ElShaddai we see this in Isaiah 10:21 where the Word is being exalted. Before Jesus being born the Trinity was not as clear as it is in the N.T. as we know it now. Yes in the O.T. there was GOD one being one essence but it was not understood as God 3 in person. Trinity Unity and Diversity.

[@tongakhan230]

Sal Suazo : You make it sound that God was playing a game. 'We are 3. Try and spot vague references to this effect. Can't spell it out clearly, then that will spoil the fun.' Deuteronomy 6:4 "Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah."

[@jeffpeff]

Sal Suazo The Hebrew word for God, Elohim, is plural. They knew.

[@tongakhan230]

@@jeffpeff : If they knew why is it being debated now? The Hebrew word ’elo·him′ (gods) appears to be from a root meaning “be strong.” ’Elo·him′ is the plural of ’eloh′ah (god). Sometimes this plural refers to a number of gods (Gen 31:30, 32; 35:2), but more often it is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. ’Elo·him′ is used in the Scriptures with reference to Jehovah himself, to angels, to idol gods (singular and plural), and to men. When applying to Jehovah, ’Elo·him′ is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. (Gen 1:1) Regarding this, Aaron Ember wrote: “That the language of the O[ld] T[estament] has entirely given up the idea of plurality in . . . [’Elo·him′] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute. . . . [’Elo·him′] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God.”-The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, 1905, p. 208.

[@jeffpeff]

Tonga Khan Who is debating it now? Why would the American Journal of Semitic Languages from 1905 have better insight than the inspired Word of God when it was written? Did God make a mistake that sinful men needed to correct? The Bible makes it very clear Elohim refers to Jehovah. Jehovah is not the name of the Father, rather, Jehovah is the name of the Godhead, which consists of the Father, Word and Holy Spirit. These three are one God, Jehovah.

[@tongakhan230]

@@jeffpeff : Isn't Godhead one's invention? There is not a scripture which shows such an idea. Exodus 3:15 Then God said once more to Moses: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my NAME FOREVER, and this is how I am to be remembered from generation to generation. In the Hebrew Bible, elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים [(ʔ)eloˈ(h)im]) sometimes refers to a single deity, particularly (but not always) the God of Israel,[1][2] at other times it refers to deities in the plural.[1][2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim Best have an open mind and be willing to learn. That is the only way one can arrive at the truth.

[@teresabrown4083]

Charles Taze Russell never claimed to be a prophet. He was an avid Bible student. He was chosen to BEGIN the unveiling of false teachings, such as the Trinity and hellfire doctrine. It's a heresy to remove Jehovah's name where it appears over 7000 times.

[@colonalklink14]

Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd degree free mason. Hell is compared to Gehhenna and the grave, however it's much more than that. The Trinity actually teaches the oness of God. God is one Spirit being. Jesus is Lord God Almighty. In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation. A Jesus who isn't God cannot save anyone. You've got another Jesus and another gospel.

[@Anita..]

Look at his grave and where he was buried.

[@ctglenn1]

The Father is greater than Jesus because the Father is the God of Jesus, and Jesus knew and said this multiple times.

[@demetriusdion286]

Is Jesus greater than you?

[@ctglenn1]

@@demetriusdion286 Yes, Jesus is greater than all, which the exception to God the Father!

[@demetriusdion286]

That's not the question that I asked you, "Is Jesus greater than you?" Well, why are you not worshiping, and glorifying his Holy Name? Isn't He our Creator and Savior?

[@ctglenn1]

@Demetrius Dion what do you mean, "thats not the question that I asked you, Is Jesus greater that you?" I answered you question by stating Yes followed by: Jesus is greater than all, which the exception to God the Father! Jesus is my lord, savior, and creator, and there is no other name in which we can be saved by. So I don't understand why you would be saying that I am not worshiping him by repeating his very words and beliefs which are written.

[@demetriusdion286]

Is Jesus your Lord and God?

[@Exodusllfreedomministry]

Wow

[@ewankerr3011]

Yes I know. Really disappointing.

[@Musicnest.]

Please continue to read your bible in Psalms 89 its about establishing a covanant with king David. If you look further youll find in gods word that Jesus would be born through the line of David.

[@archieliburd3794]

Instead of listening to this guy rambling on and on., WHY DON'T YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES FOR YOURSELF? please read Revelations 14 verse 1 to 5 for yourself and see if it does not speak of the 144,000 who were redeemed from the earth ? Then continue on to verse 6 and see if it does not speak of THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL FOR THOSE WHO DWELL ON THE EARTH.? PLEASE READ IT FOR YOURSELF. PLEASE READ MATTHEW 5 and verse 5, BLESSED ARE THE MEEK FOR THEY SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH. PSALMS 37 verse 11, says, THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH AND SHALL DELIGHT THEMSELVES IN THE ABUNDANCE OF PEACE. And verse 29 says, THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL DWELL UPON THE EARTH FOREVER. IF JESUS IS GOD, WHY did he say at Mark 10 verse 18, WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD, NOBODY GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS GOD? IF JESUS IS GOD WHY WOULD HE SAY THAT? IF JESUS IS GOD, WHO THEN WAS IT WHO SAID, MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME? and who was he talking to, HIMSELF? IF JESUS IS GOD, 1 JOHN 4 verse 12 says, NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME, didn't people see Jesus? BESIDES NO MAN CAN SEE GOD'S FACE AND YET LIVE, DON'T YOU KNOW THAT? 1 JOHN 4 verse 15 says WHOSOEVER DECLARES THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, GOD IS IN HIM AND HE IN GOD. 1 JOHN 5 verse 5 say, WHO IS IT THAT CONQUER THE WORLD BUT HE WHO DECLARES THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. ANY SENSIBLE PERSON WHO READS DANIEL 12 verse 1 and 2 must conclude the both accounts are speaking of the same event and the same person, MICHAEL IS JESUS. If MICHAEL is not JESUS, how then did he get the book (scrolls)? Revelations 5 verse 1 to 5 says, NO ONE IN HEAVEN OR ON THE EARTH, IS WORTHY TO OPEN THE BOOK ( scrolls) OR EVEN LOOK ON IT, but JESUS. SO HOW DID Michael get the book.?? It is nice that you are misleading these people into believing that they have some big TRUMP CARD to play against JEHOVAH WITNESSES,, when they do, the witnesses will be able to teach them the truth and let them read it for themselves.

[@thandiweluluphiri5]

Why is this man so against jw so much of wrong pagan doctrines practiced by other Christian groups but his do adamant on the jw who take it upon themselves to preach the word.....only what's right gets so much opposition.

[@demetriusdion286]

They teach false doctrines and precepts, that's why.

[@jumokeonifade85]

You know by your logic the pagans must be right as for a long period in time they had so much opposition, not to mention abortion clinics, gay rights marriage, child brides and many more godless groups get a lot of opposition. Does that make them right? The reason why you have so much opposition from Other Christian groups is because we love you and we will fight for your souls even if you think you don’t have one. Please please read outside the watchtower. I have searched your bible and it still points to Jesus being God himself. If you want evidence let me know and I’ll send you every single scripture in the bible. The truth is power my sister x

[@joehinojosa8314]

"Firstborn"(Grk prototokos) can mean ANYTHING except "first one BORN". You say it means "Preeminent". The firstborn son was generally Preeminent receiving his father's blessing. (Jacob/Esau) but prototokos does not logically exclude "firstborn" as first generated. Mary had a "firstborn" son Jesus. This does NOT mean Jesus WASN'T born FIRST but just "Preeminent". Matt 1:25 KJV

[@joehinojosa8314]

@year1914 This will open up a Can of theological worms for you brother. (Beware) I suspect Arius of Alexandria cited Col 1:15,Pro 8:22(LXX),& Rev 3:14 to Substantiate the prehuman Logos was the "First of the creation of God,""The Lord created me FIRST". The binitarians countered ,Christ was "Eternally GENERATED but NOT made". (See Apostles Creed) God the Son IS "FIRST"in RANK of creation. Jesus was "Created" NOT in sequence(time) but in dispensational work or OFFICE of commencement. (Redeemer)Hence they want the best of both worlds. (Good luck kid. You're about to Hit the beaches of Normandy on this one.)

[@TheRbenyard]

Sound good! But....Confused!

[@tongakhan230]

Cozi: That is the modus operandi of scam artists. The gullible just fall prey.

[@katrinadelk9193]

Your information absolutely false. 144,000 is chosen people . not that he’s going to leave all of us behind. This information is in the King James book

[@RG-qn2qm]

Preston you say that The trinity of three Father Son and Holy Ghost, did you know that Matthew 28: 19 is very controversial, some of the earlier Fathers believe that was a corrupt verse from Oregon. To be Baptized in the name of Father the Son and the Holy Spirit (Ghost) so let's see what it says in Acts 2:38 .....in Matthew it points out that all his disciples were with him when he said this in verse 19. And Peter being taught by Christ wouldn't make a mistake in repeating what Jesus said in Matthew and we see what exactly was repeated here in Acts 2:38. And if you do what it says in Acts about repent something would be a gift. King James Version 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[@archieliburd3794]

HAS THIS MISLEADER TOLD THE PEOPLE THAT HE IS MISLEADING THAT THE WORD TRINITY DOES NOT APPEAR ANYWHERE IN ANY BIBLE? HAS HE TOLD THEM THAT GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES NOT APPEAR ANYWHERE IN ANY BIBLE?

[@rawbrutaltruth]

the REAL Question ?????????? is , Is Jesus a created spirit person or is he a uncreated spirit person...……...The bible says yes while trinitarians say no.…...Jehovah says YES, trinitarians say no .Jesus says I live , because of the father, trinitarians say no. does Jesus he has a God? Y-E-S, trinitarians say No .Last but not least does the bible tell the true truth YES , TRINITARIAN theology, not so much...….sad if this is not so ,please prove it by scripture and example...…..

[@tmt6145]

They can't🤷🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@rawbrutaltruth]

the last post is part mine and one I found this morning while I was going to prepare the same answer......saved me some work i'm going to edit this later but thought I would put it up as is

[@joehinojosa8314]

Yeah,you got some good points.

[@joehinojosa8314]

@Tlholm I don't know. I didn't say MUCH. I just said he had some "good points"

[@joehinojosa8314]

@Tlholm Well keep at it. But I think he wants you to provide a "scriptural systematic" understanding of the relationship between the Subordination of the Son to the Father ,while maintaining his EQUALITY in NATURE to the Father. Good Luck. This is an Old debate ,circa 325AD.

[@Musicnest.]

Sounds like your very confused the scriptures warns us not to go beyond what is written, think about it your going beyond what is written.

[@naturelove831]

It's odd to see the same personalities we read about in the Bible still present today. The sadducees and pharisees did this EXACT same "work" in Biblical times. They worked so hard to try to prove Jesus a liar while lying themselves ans scheming themselves. That same spirit of Satan has shown itself all throughout history and if we can read these examples, believe them to be true why would then question Jesus' own words about being the son and showing love and respect for his father? The reality is people like this have been around forever and their motives are never pure, just like those in Bible times the motive was prestige, power and money. Same is true today. My advice is to read the Bible for yourself and stop listening to people tell you what you should and shouldn't believe. All the answers are there.

[@RG-qn2qm]

Preston....it was the "Word" that empty himself not Jesus, when the "Word empty himself he did give up his divine powers, all his miracles and words were of the Father not of himself. Bring Lazarus back to life was a act from the Father through Jesu the human. Yes he continued to have the nature of the Godhead (2) but stripped himself of it. Yes he was God in the Flesh . What did the "Word" (Now Jesus the Human) ask for when he returned to Heaven? He asked for his divinity back like it was before the "Word" became flesh (Jesus).

[@gt-cx1ce]

He is weak trying to prove his point.

[@karinesmith6510]

weak?loll,just the truth he is saying.

[@salxonico]

You can talk the talk then walk the walk...

[@AdamLopez1985]

Jehovah's Witnesses get so much attention from apostates and other religions because they're the ones who Jesus said would be hated.

[@tongakhan230]

Ever go into a wax museum? There are creations that are the very image of persons living or dead. Naturally, the gullible will fall all over to lap this stuff.

[@salxonico]

Yahesua emptied Himslf by stripping His own Glory.

[@tongakhan230]

Sal Suazo: Is this a new theology or an old one? Galatians 4:4 But when the full limit of the time arrived, God SENT his Son, who was born of a woman and who was under law, 5 that he might release by purchase those under law, so that we might receive the adoption as sons. John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he GAVE his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. Best is to let the bible lead one to the truth.

[@toenbiensmith555]

Your message is great. The wearing of hat is a distraction.

[@theshadow532]

This poor child is all twisted up. He think he know the JWs beliefs but he's so far from it. In John 1:1 the question is, in the beginning of what? That Is the question. There are two separate in the beginnings. 1. In Genius 1:1 and 2. In John 1:1. One is the beginning of creation and the other is the beginning of the Word. If you believe that Jesus is God then you cause a contraction of scripture. For example, John 1:18 say no man has every seen God at ANY TIME. no matter what type of body he may possess. any time mean at ANY TIME. now there's a problem, per this guy teaching John 1:1 and John 1:18 is now a headlock. Why? because 1000s of people including his disciples saw him in person John 6:46 and. Exodus 33:20 say those who did see Jesus, if Jesus is God should have been dead a long time ago before Christ was every crucified. Since no man has seen God and live.

[@tmt6145]

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